Re: DIS: integer overflow: too many emails

2018-07-02 Thread Kerim Aydin
Main thing I can think is you're assigned to this case and judgement is slightly late: > 3648 called by G. 24 June 2018: "The fine levied on Corona for late > Herald Tournament Regulations is unforgivable for the purposes of > R2559." - assigned to ATMunn Other stuff: - Since you're the Tailor

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Feasible Victory & Better Auctions

2018-07-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 3 Jul 2018, ATMunn wrote: > On 7/1/2018 8:04 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2018, Rebecca wrote: > > > Also > > > add in a new paragraph "Rules and Contracts notwithstanding, no > > > Announcer may ever bid on an Auction they ar

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Feasible Victory & Better Auctions

2018-07-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
​​ > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > On July 3, 2018 10:58 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: > > > ​​ > > > > Obviously, it is ess-aych-ay-five-twelve. > > > > On Tue, Jul 3, 2018, 08:11 ATMunn iamingodsa...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > On 7/1/2

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Free Proposals

2018-07-05 Thread Kerim Aydin
The fact is, there is such a glut of paper that no one who is "playing" the minigame is bothering to try to produce it. It's not a barrier. It is, as you say, a "stop and think" barrier. That's a good thing. And it's not a requirement to "play" given that no one is using the paper to "play".

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land Auctions for July week 1

2018-07-05 Thread Kerim Aydin
t; ~Corona > > On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 9:22 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > I bid 32 coins in auction 5. > > > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > I bid 25 coins in auction 5. > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2018, Reuben S

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land Auctions for July week 1

2018-07-05 Thread Kerim Aydin
AM, Corona wrote: > > > ​What about just resetting the economy (to the same state as when it was > > > enacted) while implementing Trigon's planned reforms? > > > > > > ~Corona > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 4:44 PM, Kerim Aydin

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land Auctions for July week 1

2018-07-05 Thread Kerim Aydin
d tests, > count me with the repeal-the-whole-dang-thing crowd. I think lots of us here > would agree. > > I know I said that I wanted to preserve the Arcadian mechanics as long as I > could but I'm beginning to think that it really is time to get rid of these > mechanics.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land Auctions for July week 1

2018-07-05 Thread Kerim Aydin
t repeated > > tests, count me with the repeal-the-whole-dang-thing crowd. I think lots > > of us here would agree. > > > > I know I said that I wanted to preserve the Arcadian mechanics as long > > as I could but I'm beginning to think that it really is ti

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land Auctions for July week 1

2018-07-05 Thread Kerim Aydin
ssues might not even the biggest > > >> problem. A lack of knowledge on how these mechanics will effect the game > > >> is. We. Don't. Playtest. And I don't know how keen others would be on > > >> trial and error to find a balanced set of mechanics. That

DIS: Re: BUS: [FRC] Decorum

2018-07-05 Thread Kerim Aydin
[I'm going to send my initial judgement to Discussion each time to keep chatter in BUS down - will finalize in BUS ~once a day.] The Court finds this VALID and instructs the Clerk to number it FRC-1. Fits the style - be it hereby noted that this is granted +1 Style as a baseline for future en

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land Auctions for July week 1

2018-07-05 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 5 Jul 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > I'd suggest we make proposals free, drop zombies, and go back to the one > blot per week removal scheme. Then we enact another enconomy, and see if > the zombies are not so OP in that system. How are they OP since the reforms?

DIS: missing an ACORN [attn. Aris]

2018-07-05 Thread Kerim Aydin
So the Tournament rules still reference the ACORN. Further, the new definition of Regulations requires an Officer while Free Tournaments implies that no officer is needed for that kind of Tournament. Aris, can you give a read of the tournament rules w.r.t. the new Regulations rule and opine

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8058-8065

2018-07-05 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 6 Jul 2018, Rebecca wrote: > >>If P8062 is REJECTED, FOR; otherwise AGAINST. > > These conditionals do not work because these are evaluated at the end of > the voting period, which is before the resolution of proposals. Some language used in the past was "If the outcome of this would

Re: DIS: missing an ACORN [attn. Aris]

2018-07-05 Thread Kerim Aydin
;ll write up a fix proposal when I get a chance, and I'm > planning another distribution soon. > > -Aris > > On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 4:12 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > > So the Tournament rules still reference the ACORN. Further, the new &

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: missing an ACORN [attn. Aris]

2018-07-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
ertaining traditions of > Agora's birthday now. > On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 1:44 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > > Aris wrote: > > > > CFJ: The Herald may amend the tournament regulations without objection. > > > > CFJ: At least one Agoran regul

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land Auctions for July week 1

2018-07-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 6 Jul 2018, Corona wrote: > Ooh sorry, I misinterpreted it as you bidding negative 17 coins! Heh I need to be careful with my choice of bullet character I guess... (I'm *so* not going to CFJ what those bids count as).

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Prime Minister] there's no confidence in the economy, so...

2018-07-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
t; > > I become a candidate for Prime Minister. > > > > Platform: Not being the other guy, who currently supports unpopular and > > somewhat misguided reforms. > > > > ~Corona > > > > On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 8:43 AM, Aris Merchant < > > th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Initiating elections

2018-07-08 Thread Kerim Aydin
r players. I hope that this will allow a greater level of > historical knowledge and thus fuel scholarship and more insightful > play. > On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 10:40 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > > I nominate myself for Herald. -G. > > > > Nomi

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [FRC] Court Proceedings for July 6

2018-07-08 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 6 Jul 2018, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > Just a quick question, where does my rule bind the court? The only > binding statement was on the submitter of rules. "bind" was probably the wrong word. In character, it was a judicial "harumph, the Counsellor expects me to track mu

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport

2018-07-08 Thread Kerim Aydin
Erk. If the July 1 ADoP Report self-ratified, then ratification beats the Distributor rule in ratifying the Distributor officeholder at its default value. EXCEPT. Double-erk. R1006 doesn't explicitly define a default value for Officeholder switches. Either we indirectly infer "vacant" as th

DIS: Re: BUS: partial relief

2018-07-08 Thread Kerim Aydin
*sigh* nvm there was an ADoP published to BAK on June 17, which was just after the proposal made omd the Distributor, so that was the one that would have self-ratified (unless someone CoE'd on that one). On Sun, 8 Jul 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Actually, we've got a few hours to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: partial relief

2018-07-08 Thread Kerim Aydin
27;t *explicitly* say that > there are no other offices. > > -Aris > On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 3:17 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > > *sigh* nvm there was an ADoP published to BAK on June 17, which was > > just after the proposal made omd the Distributor, s

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport

2018-07-08 Thread Kerim Aydin
s like a prolific source of > loopholes - but I don't believe there's anything to immediately panic about.) > > -twg > ​​ > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > On July 8, 2018 9:45 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > ​​ > > > > Erk. > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport

2018-07-08 Thread Kerim Aydin
a list of switches, it's purporting to be a partial list of switches. Therefore, it was never subject to self- ratification. And in a poof of technical-correctness the crisis entirely disappears... On Sun, 8 Jul 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > This is a very interesting case. I'm not sure you

Re: DIS: [Proposals] Office and Switch Patches

2018-07-08 Thread Kerim Aydin
I don't think Less Critical Patching is a good idea. Specifically, we had a plague of switch indeterminacy/uncertainty some (long) time ago, which is exactly why the "would otherwise fail... it comes to have its default value" clause exists in the first place (especially whenever Paradox wins

Re: DIS: [Proposals] Office and Switch Patches

2018-07-08 Thread Kerim Aydin
Sorry, hit send to soon. My suggestion is something like: "If a default isn't specified, then RttCN 'null' is a possible value for the switch, and is the default." On Sun, 8 Jul 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I don't think Less Critical Patching is a good idea.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [FRC] Recent Court Proceedings

2018-07-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
AL"​? > > ~Corona > > On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 6:06 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > Persons who haven't entered yet still have a few hours! > > > > > > #5 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 7 Jul 2018 19:34:47 -0400 > > In the inte

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Weekly Report

2018-07-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
Note there were some land bids placed at the end of this report. On Mon, 9 Jul 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Herald’s Weekly report > [snip] > > END OF HERALD'S WEEKLY REPORT > > I bid 66 Coins in t

DIS: Re: BUS: [FRC] Jumping in

2018-07-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
nomics" including FRC and Blognomic > -Agora has an excellent and dedicated playerbase. > -Agora is superior to all board games because it is itself, currently a > board game. > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 4:43 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, 9

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: back to basics - this time with zombies

2018-07-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > Oh, also, can you increase the player starting bonus 100, or like quarter > the coins to points ratio? This is going to be hideously unbalanced for a > long time if we keep this big a coin starting advantage, because it's > vastly easier to get coins no

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [FRC] Jumping in

2018-07-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
hm can't remember what I intended I'll ponder and respond. On Tue, 10 Jul 2018, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > While not explicitly stated in the rules, I read them as suggesting > that an INVALID rule can not have style points awarded. > On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 1

Re: DIS: Poll: Agoran MU*

2018-07-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
1 - Yes, definitely. 2 - Yes, definitely. 3 - Sorry, can't. On Mon, 9 Jul 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > I'm in the _very_ early stages of looking into creating a new MU* for > Agora. The codebase would be hosted on the Agora GitHub org, and any > player would be free to contribute code. My ski

DIS: Re: BUS: [FRC] Jumping in

2018-07-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
; -Agora is far more in line with the initial Suberian intent than other > > "nomics" including FRC and Blognomic > > -Agora has an excellent and dedicated playerbase. > > -Agora is superior to all board games because it is itself, currently a > > board game. > &g

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: back to basics - this time with zombies

2018-07-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 10 Jul 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > I am a little disappointed that you're making Points totally replace > Economics and the rest of PAoaM - not because I'm utterly against a full > repeal in itself, but because I've been spending the last few days > working on a series of proposals

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Weekly Report

2018-07-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
ssage ‐‐‐ > > On July 9, 2018 7:45 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > ​​ > > > > Note there were some land bids placed at the end of this report. > > > > On Mon, 9 Jul 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > Herald’s Weekly report > > &g

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [FRC] Jumping in

2018-07-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
oh yah it's pretty obvious - no (0) style for invalid rules. On Tue, 10 Jul 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > hm can't remember what I intended I'll ponder and respond. > > On Tue, 10 Jul 2018, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > > While not explicitly state

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: still gonna try

2018-07-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
Thanks! On Tue, 10 Jul 2018, Reuben Staley wrote: > I transfer all the fabric from the loom I'm on to myself and then transfer > it all to G.. > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 12:54 Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > > Fails; you need to transfer the fabric from the loom to yourself first. > > > > -twg

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Re: [Cartographor] Land Auctions for July week 1

2018-07-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
these two messages? > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 12:40 Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > Many apologies, but this is missing all the bids I submitted in the last > > hour > > of the auction. Those were submitted here: > > > > https://www.mail-archive.c

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Re: [Cartographor] Land Auctions for July week 1

2018-07-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
Really sorry, but the auction results are still incorrect. I don't think you won any of the auctions. Yesterday, I first bid like this: > AUCTION 1: the land unit at (-6, -1) > If I am not the current highest bidder in this auction, I bid > 46 coins. > > AUCTION 2: the land unit at (-6, +1) >

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Re: [Cartographor] Land Auctions for July week 1

2018-07-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
milar to the one above > in each land auction announcement. > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 14:26 Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > Really sorry, but the auction results are still incorrect. I don't think > > you won any of the auctions. > > > >

DIS: Re: BUS: [FRC] Mantaining Respect for Games and Others

2018-07-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
VALID afaict (sorry for brevity, better judgement when I have time later but wanted to opine before deadline) On Wed, 11 Jul 2018, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > I present the following procedural argument to the court: > > Your Honor, My Fellow Counselors V.J. Rada and Aris seem to

DIS: Re: BUS: [FRC] Mantaining Respect for Games and Others

2018-07-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
This is VALID but I need to further ponder it's effect. In particular, I'll have to think about whether the construction "ask the court to rule... shall" directly imposes a shall on later rules (as the court, I can't directly impose rule conditions other than by style). On Thu, 12 Jul 2018, R

DIS: Re: BUS: [FRC] An Argument

2018-07-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
appears VALID (again, formal response later). On Wed, 11 Jul 2018, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > I present the following argument on the first docket to the court: > > Your Honor, My Fellow Counselor V.J. Rada seems to have made a fatal > error in the presentation of eir reasons for

DIS: Re: BUS: [FRC] Docket #2

2018-07-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
While this public submission to the court is greatly appreciated, entering the contest was closed 2 days ago, so the Hon. CuddleBeam can no longer become a contestant. Close reading of the tournament regulations implies this is an automatically-INVALID rule (as opposed to being "not a rule").

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [FRC] Docket #2

2018-07-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
(though I encourage Counsellors to respond to invalid arguments that are interesting as this one is, as they will be part of the record even if they cannot make any limitations) Also on this one: More respect for the Most Heroic Suber as per #6. On Wed, 11 Jul 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote

DIS: proto-contract: The Foundry

2018-07-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
Anyone have ore? Anyone want Coins? * Refineries have no carrying capacity. * I'm standing on a Rank-5 refinery that can make 13 Coins from every ore. * Let's see if we can get people back in the Coins game! * (yes, this is a last-ditch attempt to diversify land ownership). This is a prot

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [FRC] Resubmission with Corrections

2018-07-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
Where is it in the initial (not the first invalid one, but in the "resubmission with corrections" message)? "resubmission" is not a formal thing so independence is assumed. And if SHALLS were allowed to be fulfilled after-the-fact, many corrections could have been made once they were pointed

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [FRC] Resubmission with Corrections

2018-07-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 12 Jul 2018, Alex Smith wrote: > On Wed, 2018-07-11 at 21:05 -0400, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > > The invalid one was the one that I was referencing. As for why I think > > ti can be done after-the-fact, I think that it is different because so > > far, it has been fulfilled

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [FRC] Update

2018-07-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
Yes. On Fri, 13 Jul 2018, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > Will you announce once someone has gone out? > On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 8:22 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > > https://agoranomic.org/Herald/birthday_tournament_2018.txt > > > >

DIS: Re: BUS: [FRC] Agoran Values

2018-07-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
Counselor, the Court is moved by your arguments (not now, Bernard) and their appeal to "fun" as an underlying human principle (not NOW, Bernard), and therefore finds this VAL... hold on. (what IS it, Bernard?! I'm judging here, you'd better... ok ok I'll read it... where did I say that befor

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [FRC] Update

2018-07-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
elieve that I should have received a strike for #12 as the > violation was of a rule that was put in place, less than an hour > before. > On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 8:22 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > > https://agoranomic.org/Herald/birthday_tou

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [FRC] Mantaining Respect for Games and Others

2018-07-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
Also in the tournament-bug category: I deeply regret not making a 24-hour limit on all challenges, not just impossibility-based ones. I'm tempted (in character) to find some kind of statute-of-limitations appropriate. Be that as it may, I'll opine on our Pronoun Trouble (both in this one and

DIS: Re: BUS: The Foundry is open

2018-07-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
f I get there first, I'll say: "I overnight [13*N] coins to [you]" and boom! riches. (only technicality is numbers must be precise, no referencing with 'all my ore' or similar). On Fri, 13 Jul 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I consent/agree to the below document with

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [FRC] Mantaining Respect for Games and Others

2018-07-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
of address - in fact it's the opposite, it's speaking *for* a group of people, not *to* a group of people. The rest of the rule details how certain people must be "referred to" (for which Us would qualify) but the detail list doesn't include counselors in general.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [FRC] Mantaining Respect for Games and Others

2018-07-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 13 Jul 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Actually, #12 and #20 (by Aris) are suitable different, that I'll address > #12. (correction: #11 by V.J. Rada, not #12. Is this your handwriting, Bernard?)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [FRC] Docket #3: Attempt #2

2018-07-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
I know it just sounded odd. On Fri, 13 Jul 2018, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > I was using G.A.N. in those instances as Great and Ancient Nomics. > On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 8:46 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > > Nothing wrong that I see Counselor;

DIS: Re: BUS: UNIX philosophy for proposals

2018-07-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 13 Jul 2018, Reuben Staley wrote: > While this does technically bring everyone closer to the same amount of > money, I'm not sure this is the best way to do it. This also doesn't fix > the gap in land ownership. I really think we need to do a map reset to > achieve maximum equality. So

Re: DIS: Long Term Economic Reform Plan attn. twg, G.

2018-07-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
Honestly I'm about to take a 6-week+ near total internet break (may drop in once or twice but otw won't be engaged). Enough time left in this next week to finish the tournament and dispose of some land but that's it. So you've got my general opinions on balance (keep zombies, auctions, don't

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [FRC] An Ambassadorial Consideration

2018-07-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
Yah sorry about that, the first draft regs used original FRC timing which seemed far too long - holiday tournaments have sometimes worked best as blitz versions but this was too short, somewhere in the middle would have been best. On Sun, 15 Jul 2018, Rebecca wrote: > damn time limits!! thi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [FRC] An Ambassadorial Consideration

2018-07-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
PM Aris Merchant > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree about the short times as well. Sorry everyone. Now we just > > > have > > > > > to > > > > > > see who wins on points... > > > &

Re: Agora blacklisted (Re: DIS: My agora email keeps breaking)

2018-07-16 Thread Kerim Aydin
There's at least two messages that weren't received by me in the last 24 hours: - Aris's pend-with-paper that I can't even find in the archives. - twg's receiving of coins from Foundry (which is in the archives at least). (I'm inferring the existence of both of these from twg's Report). On Mo

Re: Agora blacklisted (Re: DIS: My agora email keeps breaking)

2018-07-16 Thread Kerim Aydin
Oh sorry, Aris's is deeply-hidden in the distribution message. Bad Aris. (that goes beyond my personal bounds for ambiguity, but I'm not the officer so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ) twg's definitely wasn't delivered to me (or caught in spam at my end). On Mon, 16 Jul 2018, Kerim Aydin

Re: DIS: Test (not a report)

2018-07-16 Thread Kerim Aydin
Looks sharp/nice/correct to me. With the usual exception of that Japanese line (but it's less out-of-line then other reports have been). On Mon, 16 Jul 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > I figured it might be interesting to see whether Unicode box-drawing > characters > actually have wide supp

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [FRC] Striking Out

2018-07-16 Thread Kerim Aydin
I'll leave it up the the herald, but "Tournaments" are basically synonymous with "championship" (they used to be called "championship contests"). But "championship" is completely unintuitive so I'd rename em all to tournament or maybe the more historically-used "contest"? On Mon, 16 Jul 2018, A

Re: DIS: Draft Model FRC Tournament Regulations

2018-07-16 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 16 Jul 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > I thought I'd modify the regulations to fix all the problems we found, > and to make them more generic. I *was* planning to do that you know. :) But you get most of what I noticed needed fixing. I'll work a bit on #6 and #11 because there's a couple

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [FRC] Striking Out

2018-07-16 Thread Kerim Aydin
on an [frc] thread once the game started, badges are kind of meant to be an "I was there" thing). On Mon, 16 Jul 2018, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > I think I am going to take the approach of renaming it all as a contest. > On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 9:16 PM Kerim Aydin wro

DIS: BUS broke for me now

2018-07-19 Thread Kerim Aydin
I did not receive either reply to the voting results that's in the BUS archives. By recent precedent, if a # of people didn't receive them the CoE's weren't made. I'll check back but I'm likely out of time to fix stuff before I need to resign (i.e. respond to CoEs).

Re: DIS: um

2018-07-19 Thread Kerim Aydin
You know that sort of paragraph written weekly or biweekly is the most useful form of newspaper. nothing fancy. I'd add that the current batch of proposals up for vote has major land changes - looks likely to pass unless a major bug is found that changes people's minds. When the last batch's

Re: DIS: BUS broke for me now

2018-07-19 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 19 Jul 2018, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Thu, 19 Jul 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > I did not receive either reply to the voting results that's in > > the BUS archives. By recent precedent, if a # of people didn't > > receive them the CoE's w

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolutiion of Proposals 8058-8065, quorum-busting edition

2018-07-19 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 19 Jul 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > Well, if the resolution message actually is self-ratifying, I see no reason > why the following shouldn't work, assuming this message actually is received > by a "reasonable number" of people. (So please confirm receipt!) Received. [OFF seems to b

DIS: some list info

2018-07-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
I just went to my preferences on the BUS list and found this: > Note: your list delivery is currently disabled; it was disabled due to > excessive bounces. > The last bounce was received on 18-Jul-2018. I don't know how this plays into the "did enough people get it for it to be public" ques

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJs on upkeep

2018-07-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
There would be no need > for a conditional imposition in R2560 if that rule meant to impose the null > fee. > > No argument on CFJ 1 yet, although I agree that interpretation 3 seems > rather unlikely. I favor interpretation 2, but haven't come up with a > non-trivial argument fo

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJs on upkeep

2018-07-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
the fee, which is clearly not a fee-based action. If > there's no fee-based action, then the fee-based actions rule is > inapplicable. I'm not alleging that that's the case, but it is plausible. > > -Aris > > On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 12:08 PM Kerim Aydin wrote:

DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] proposal reward

2018-07-22 Thread Kerim Aydin
I didn't remind the new Herald that this could be done and it's timed out I'm afraid... if the Herald wants to try again. On Mon, 2 Jul 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Silver Quill works poorly as an election process, but it's a good title > when deserved. > > I ann

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Humiliating Public Reminder

2018-07-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
You can fix decision uncertainty, but this unavoidably perpetuates the quorum uncertainty. Any votes now are valid if and only if the voting period has been extended, so their validity for determining quorum in the next batch will be uncertain... (Personally I'm abstaining on purpose so I'm de

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Humiliating Public Reminder

2018-07-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 24 Jul 2018, Rebecca wrote: > Dude it's 5.0. Uncontested CFJs ruled that those votes didn't count. > > Anyway if I must I vote PRESENT on each agoran decision. > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 12:50 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > Quorum on the Agoran Decisions on whether or not to adop

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ

2018-07-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
Sorry this is from memory I'm not in a place to go digging but IIRC: PSS (I think PSS?) delivered a judgement that would have invalidated one of the votes. The logic of that judgement didn't apply (for some reason I forget) to the other questionable votes (I think it was kind of odd logic but do

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ

2018-07-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
Ok found it --- Discussion is here: https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-discussion@agoranomic.org/msg44022.html On Tue, 24 Jul 2018, Rebecca wrote: > I call a CFJ with the statement: Quorum on the Agoran Decisions on > whether or not to adopt Proposals 8066-8076 > was 5.0. > > There were two CF

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land auctions -- July week 4

2018-07-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
tone came across wrong - read that with a smiley, not genuinely annoyed :) On Thu, 26 Jul 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Since the current Prime Minister seems to favor pure legislative theft, > I see no reason to play "nice" here: > > I bid 75 coins in every one of the b

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8077-8081

2018-07-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
Just FYI, Aris and Assessor twg, I misread the list because I think you have authorship wrong for 8080? (I misread 8081 as being v3 by Aris). On Thu, 26 Jul 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Aaand ... misread the list. I change my vote on 8081 to FOR. > > > On Thu, 26 Jul 2018, Kerim

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Humiliating Public Reminder

2018-07-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
ch of the decisions to adopt Proposals 8066-8076 is 5. > } > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 11:48 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > > Ok sure i withdraw this objection. > > > > On Mon, 23 Jul 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > I object. I would not object to the highest quorum value. > > > > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Referee] Summary Judgement

2018-07-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
I thought I remembered CFJing on this question in the last few months, but don't remember seeing the result (and couldn't find it in a quick Gazette search). Anyone remember? Boy I really really really need to get the CFJ database up-to-date again. On Fri, 27 Jul 2018, Rebecca wrote: > I was

(Attn: Murphy) in Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Referee] Summary Judgement

2018-07-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
eak of the email troubles). On Thu, 26 Jul 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I thought I remembered CFJing on this question in the last few months, but > don't remember seeing the result (and couldn't find it in a quick Gazette > search). Anyone remember? Boy I really really really need

DIS: Re: BUS: removing a blot

2018-07-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
If the proposal results were wrong, then it's still the old way (incense) to do that. (I also don't know what the heck I paid in refinery upkeep). On Fri, 27 Jul 2018, Rebecca wrote: > I expunge a blot from myself > > -- > From V.J. Rada >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Revamping movement

2018-08-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
In adding the switch layer you need to put in a "by announcement" somewhere as it's no longer implied as it is with payments/fees. It's also a but unclear on cause and effect - do people decrease their EP to cause movement, or move and as a result have their EP decrease - This affects whethe

DIS: What's it all about then, eh?

2018-08-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
Land from the beginning has had little purpose, now that it's completely removed from the rest of the game it has no purpose at all. There's always been a kind of "if we build it, a purpose will show up" but so far - nope - currencies have in fact become less useful, not more (e.g. Paper).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Revamping movement

2018-08-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
unit. > > On 08/01/2018 11:05 AM, Corona wrote: > > I'd prefer the shorter version ("I move to (x, y)), as that decreases the > > potential for mistakes by automatically using the correct amount of > > resources. > > > > On Wednesday, August 1, 2018, Ke

Re: DIS: What's it all about then, eh?

2018-08-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
a community. I'm thinking we could bring > back Sente and Gote and weather and then maybe connect it to what you're > saying here somehow. > > Just some more things for future readers to think about. > > On 08/01/2018 11:02 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > &g

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] [RWO] Routine Worst-Case Cleanup

2018-08-08 Thread Kerim Aydin
The old precedents don't apply. Previously the rules said something like "a proposal is created by publishing a body of text that is clearly marked as a proposal" which meant that you could accidentally do that if you marked something as a proposal when you distributed. Now it says "create by

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ on Distribution of Proposals 8077A-8088

2018-08-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
wrote: > On Mon, 2018-08-13 at 01:44 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > I CFJ on the following: 8077a-8081a are distributed proposals. > > I bar Aris. > > Gratuitous: > > We used to have a rule forcing numbers to be allocated sequentially, > but it was repealed. Is t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ on Distribution of Proposals 8077A-8088

2018-08-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
ems to inexplicably submit these to BUS... > > > > -Aris > > > > On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 10:12 AM Aris Merchant < > > thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 2:06 AM Alex Smith ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk > > &g

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ on Distribution of Proposals 8077A-8088

2018-08-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
018 at 2:06 AM Alex Smith wrote: > > > On Mon, 2018-08-13 at 01:44 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > I CFJ on the following: 8077a-8081a are distributed proposals. > > > I bar Aris. > > > > Gratuitous: > > > > We used to have a rule forcing number

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ on Distribution of Proposals 8077A-8088

2018-08-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
gt; > On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 12:28 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > Appeals never had ID numbers - they're considered part of the record > > of the same case, in fact, for moots (that have fewer formal arguments > > than the old appeals system) I ju

DIS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Weekly report: *crickets*

2018-08-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 13 Aug 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > As disappointing as it may be to me, I admit that Arcadia seems to be > becoming a little unpopular - Murphy and I were the only people that > performed land-related actions this week. > > Perhaps it will be reinvigorated a little when this propos

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Weekly report: *crickets*

2018-08-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 14 Aug 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 2:35 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Mon, 13 Aug 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > > As disappointing as it may be to me, I admit that Arcadia seems to be > > > becoming a little unpopular - Murphy

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Weekly report: *crickets*

2018-08-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
Again, take the tone here as a bemused prod to sort this, not anger or anything. If nothing's materialized by mid Sept I can have a go with the M.U.L.E. idea (also had some thoughts on more things to bid on). On Wed, 15 Aug 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I missed that, Despite reading

Re: DIS: Land Win Condition

2018-08-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
I think the permanent recognition should be patent-title based. I'm not sure I'd ever want to win as it's written if the price is giving up all my land. As written, doesn't have a very strong mutual goal - But that also kind of depends on the various ways to achieve prestige (I like that name

DIS: proto: directly encourage cooperation

2018-08-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
Proto: Royal Charter. [Basically brings back high-rank facilities, but such that only one player can ever have the high-ranking facility and a player can only specialize in one type. Idea is to promote specialization and cooperation (e.g. like the Foundry).] (Bringing back something like th

Re: DIS: proto: directly encourage cooperation

2018-08-24 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 24 Aug 2018, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Thu, 23 Aug 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > >It is IMPOSSIBLE for a player to have more than one Royal > >Charter of any type in eir portfolio. If e would receive > >a Royal Charter when there is already one in

Re: DIS: proto: directly encourage cooperation

2018-08-24 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 24 Aug 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Fri, 24 Aug 2018, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Aug 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > >It is IMPOSSIBLE for a player to have more than one Royal > > >Charter of any type in eir portfolio. If e would

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