Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8277-8279

2019-12-29 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 at 03:46, AIS523--- via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sat, 2019-12-28 at 18:48 -0800, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion > wrote: > > So, just to be clear here, we’re going to ratify the claim that a-o > > and a-b stopped being public fora at the start time and resumed being > >

Re: DIS: [MUD] New Agoran MUD

2019-12-31 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sat, 28 Dec 2019 at 00:26, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 11:28 AM James Cook wrote: > > On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 at 04:55, Aris Merchant > > wrote: > > > Alright, everyone, this would seem to be as good a time as any to make > > > the grand announcement, so here goes nothing. Agor

DIS: [Reporter] Last week in Agora

2019-12-31 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
Archived at https://github.com/AgoraNomic/Reporter/tree/master/weekly_summaries For the week 2019-12-23..29: # Mailing list trouble * omd diagnoses the recent trouble with the mailing list, and tries a couple of ways to fix it. From-address rewriting for all messages has been temporarily en

Re: DIS: Re: BAK: [RWO] List Patch

2020-01-01 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 at 06:09, Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion wrote: > *Sigh* I seriously think considering history to be a part of game state > may have been a mistake, but apparently there's now precedence for it... I had assumed it wasn't until I did the research that became my thesis. I th

DIS: Re: BAK: [RWO] List Patch (attn. Arbitor)

2020-01-06 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
I didn't get twg's message to BAK that Gaelan quoted. Did anyone else miss it? On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 at 19:19, Gaelan Steele wrote: > Hey, it’s not a proper Agoran return if there isn’t at least one CFJ involved. > > Gaelan > > > On Jan 1, 2020, at 9:29 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > > > *sigh*

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] January Zombie Auction

2020-01-07 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 16:50, Alexis Hunt via agora-business wrote: > > On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 02:04, James Cook via agora-official < > agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > I initiate a zombie auction, with the following lots (each zombie a > > separate lot) ordered as follows (highest-bid fi

Re: DIS: ratifying honour etc.

2020-01-09 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 18:56, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > Would anyone complain/object if I ratified a "false" Herald's Report > that claims the Notices of Honor received during the Troubles were > successful? > > Looking at the message list that Murphy nicely assembled for Proposals

DIS: [Reporter] Last week in Agora

2020-01-09 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
Archived at https://github.com/AgoraNomic/Reporter/tree/master/weekly_summaries For the week 2019-12-30..2020-01-05: # Voting * Voting finishes on Proposals 8277-8279 (or possibly just 8278-8279 if Proposal 8277 was successfully distributed during the mailing list trouble). # Scams and ru

DIS: Modules and dependencies (was: ratifying honour etc.)

2020-01-10 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 02:37, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 1/7/20 6:10 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > (2) dividing the ruleset itself so that rule categories > > are more binding, and rules precedence works as "category then power" > > (e.g. any rule in the "economy"

Re: DIS: ratifying honour etc.

2020-01-10 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 23:12, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > We've had a couple conversations along similar lines in the last year > or two and people were generally positive. Specifically two ideas > came up: (1) making each officer the "primary judge" on disputes > about their report

Re: DIS: ratifying honour etc.

2020-01-10 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 19:36, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > This would also > have the feature of making an officer's memoranda an election issue. It would be fun to have something for candidates to debate. I suppose Aris's v2 proto entails this, since it would allow a new officer to r

Re: DIS: [Draft] Administrative Adjudication v2

2020-01-10 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Thu, 9 Jan 2020 at 02:41, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > Title: Administrative Adjudication v2 > Adoption index: 3.0 AI can be 2.0 now. This sounds fun. There could be interesting struggles between officers. E.g. I could imagine the Treasuror and ADoP arguing over who gets to say

Re: DIS: ratifying honour etc.

2020-01-10 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 20:25, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > (and > possibly codifying an approach to "is history part of the game state"). Aris tried to do this in June with eir "Timeline Control Ordnance" [0] which became Proposal 8195. I don't remember exactly why we voted it down, e

Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2020-01-10 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 at 03:32, James Cook wrote: > On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 04:34, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion > wrote: > > A draft report follows. > > > > -Aris > > --- > > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran > > Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it fro

Re: DIS: Contract Patency v3

2020-01-10 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Thu, 9 Jan 2020 at 01:24, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > Amend rule 2450, "Pledges", by adding at the end of the first paragraph > "A pledge ceases to exist at the end of its time window." Do we still need pledges? I think a one-party contract with a provision that the party won't

Re: DIS: [draft] procedural ratification

2020-01-10 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Thu, 9 Jan 2020 at 16:23, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > Ørjan wrote: > > Winning and patent titles can still be lost as a side effect of ratifying > > a document published before they happen, when that removes a prerequisite > > for their award. > > Oh of course oops - not sure if i

DIS: Re: BUS: [Registrar] New zombies

2020-01-10 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Fri, 10 Jan 2020 at 07:50, David Seeber wrote: > Oh dear. I seem to be a zombie again > > BVV > > David Seeber Not quite. You just avoided it with that message. - Falsifian

Re: DIS: Re: Modules and dependencies

2020-01-10 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 at 04:04, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > I recall you mentioning that you would like a > system where judges could search topic-relevant rules and a few core > rules instead of potentially anywhere in the ruleset. Oh right, yes, that would be nice. I'm confused abou

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Seeking a new Treasuror

2020-01-11 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 at 17:20, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On 1/11/2020 8:54 AM, James Cook via agora-business wrote: > > I initiate an election for the office of Treasuror. > > > > This quarter is a bit busy for me. I am probably going to resign as > > Treasuror in a week or two

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3783 Assigned to Alexis

2020-01-11 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sun, 12 Jan 2020 at 04:36, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > I would like to ask for arguments for an issue completely unaddressed in > arguments: How does Rule 2602's use of a continuously-evaluated condition, > as in Rule 2350 and part of Rule 103, affect the operation of the "once"?

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3783 Assigned to Alexis

2020-01-11 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sun, 12 Jan 2020 at 06:05, James Cook wrote: > However, the use of the word "it" in the text "but already owned it" > in R2602 indicates to me that the text of the rule is written with the > point of view that there's only one of each ribbon colour. Otherwise > it could have been written "but a

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3783 Assigned to Alexis

2020-01-11 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sun, 12 Jan 2020 at 06:13, Alexis Hunt wrote: > On Sun, 12 Jan 2020 at 01:07, James Cook wrote: >> >> On Sun, 12 Jan 2020 at 06:05, James Cook wrote: >> > However, the use of the word "it" in the text "but already owned it" >> > in R2602 indicates to me that the text of the rule is written wi

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3783 Assigned to Alexis

2020-01-11 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sun, 12 Jan 2020 at 06:25, James Cook wrote: > I don't think this is a case of "once for each time the condition is > fulfulled". (Or, maybe I should have said: I think this is a case where "once per time the condition is fulfilled" is given an explicit definition by the rule in question.)

DIS: Re: Fwd: Re: BUS: Income

2020-01-12 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
I think I withdhrew that CFJ recently. On Sun, 12 Jan 2020 at 17:32, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > > > I wrote: > > If Falsifian has not already done so, I call the CFJ indicated > > below. I bar Falsifian. > > [...] > > Falsifian wrote: > > > CFJ: I successfully earned 10 Coins in the

DIS: Re: BUS: Seeking a new mandate

2020-01-12 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
Fair enough! I will note that I don't think I've missed a deadline on any Registrar duty in my ~8 months in the office. On the other hand, I haven't been very creative with the office. Even my election-just-to-get-a-ribbon plan is simply copying the H. Arbitor and Assessor, who did it in November

DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Tailor] Ribbon Bar

2020-01-15 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 at 00:59, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-official wrote: > > GLITTER (does not self-ratify) > > > Currently, Glitter rewards are as follows: > > Red 12 coins

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3783 Assigned to Alexis

2020-01-15 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sun, 12 Jan 2020 at 23:12, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > Notice of Honour: > > -1 Jason Cobb: managing to keep the gamestate uncertain for ~1 month > with this scam attempt (sorry, H. Treasuror). It wasn't just you. I only decided recently, based on G.'s suggestion, to maybe not keep

Re: DIS: Proto: Bureaucratic Power

2020-01-15 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Mon, 13 Jan 2020 at 05:36, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > * 4 points for each switch defined by the rule and tracked by the office You might want to say "type of switch" to make it clear this doesn't count each instance. Maybe it would be better just to say "X points if the rule d

DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Tailor] Ribbon Bar

2020-01-15 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 at 00:59, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-official wrote: > pikhq Interesting. I was curious to know why pikhq has on ribbons even though (according to the Registrar monthly report) e has played a few times in the past. But I see that R2438, "Ribbons", was first enacted in 2014, a

Re: DIS: Straw poll: officers responsible for rewards?

2020-01-15 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 at 16:01, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > There's been some comments lately on the degree of difficulty of some > offices, notably Treasuror, and it's definitely of note that twg proposed > to maintain the Glitter rewards in eir report. As Treasuror, I didn't feel pa

DIS: [Reporter] Last Week in Agora

2020-01-15 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
Archived at https://github.com/AgoraNomic/Reporter/tree/master/weekly_summaries For the week 2020-01-06..12: # Announcements * Aris announces the official opening of the Agoran MUD e first announced the week before last. Thread: "[MUD] MUD Opening!". * The Arbitor requests that persons calli

Re: DIS: Contract Patency v3

2020-01-16 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
Sure, I don't mind keeping pledges, at least while your new system is still untested. I probably shouldn't take on Notary now, but in 2-3 months I may have more time, especially if Gaelan successfully takes over Registrar. On Fri, 17 Jan 2020 at 04:50, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: >

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] End of January zombie auction

2020-01-17 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 13:01, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > On 1/16/20 12:55 AM, James Cook via agora-official wrote: > > The January zombie auction has ended. > > > > On 2020-01-07 at 07:03 UTC, I initiated a zombie auction. It ended > > 2020-01-14 at 07:03 UTC. Here are the lots, winner

Re: DIS: [Reporter] Last Week in Agora

2020-01-17 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 13:15, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion wrote: > > Falsifian wrote: > > * twg proposes a fix to R2602 (Glitter) to address unclear wording > > Alexis found in eir judgement of CFJ 3783. Thread: "[Arbitor] CFJ > > 3783 Assigned to Alexis". > > "CoE": Although I did

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8280-8286

2020-01-20 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 03:29, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: > PROPOSAL 8286 (I Forbid Vetos!) > FOR (3): Aris, Falsifian, twg > AGAINST (6): Alexis, G., Gaelan, Jason Cobb, Rance, o > PRESENT (0): > BALLOTS: 9 > AI (F/A): 9/18 (AI=1.0) > OUTCOME: REJECTED Informal CoE: I changed my vote on

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8280-8286

2020-01-20 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 04:41, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 1/20/20 4:46 PM, James Cook wrote: > > On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 03:29, Jason Cobb via agora-official > > wrote: > >> PROPOSAL 8286 (I Forbid Vetos!) > >> FOR (3): Aris, Falsifian, twg > >> AGAINST (6): Alexis, G., Gaelan, Jas

Re: DIS: [Proto] Zombie voting package

2020-01-22 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sun, 19 Jan 2020 at 04:34, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > A zombie has its voting strength halved. Specify rounding? Otherwise R2422's provision that voting strength is an integer might cause this provision to have no effect on zombies with odd voting strength. - Falsifian

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Apathy

2020-01-22 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sun, 19 Jan 2020 at 21:44, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > Our precedents on message timing are pretty messy because we never had > complete agreement there - but I'm pretty sure we set the final send date > based on when the message "left your own control and headed to the PF". > I.e

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Apathy

2020-01-22 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 02:11, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > Why are we reading the date-stamping to refer to the date-stamp of the > original message? I would think it obvious that the relevant message is the > one to the public forum, not the original one which wasn’t to the public

DIS: [Reporter] Last Week in Agora

2020-01-22 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
Archived at https://github.com/AgoraNomic/Reporter/tree/master/weekly_summaries For the week 2020-01-13..19: # Voting * Voting continues on Proposals 8280-8286. G. pleads for Rule 2597 ("Line-item Veto") to not be repealed yet. # Rules questions * Debate continues on CFJ 3792, which is abo

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Apathy

2020-01-23 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 05:53, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 9:44 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: > > > > > > On 1/22/2020 8:13 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 02:11

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3786 Assigned to omd

2020-01-23 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 at 05:18, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 9:14 PM James Cook via agora-business > wrote: > > > > On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 08:34, omd via agora-business > > wrote: > > > Note that I long assumed that the past was not part of the "gamestate" > >

Re: DIS: Proto-corporation: the TCC Corporation

2020-01-23 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 at 05:41, Tanner Swett via agora-discussion wrote: > By the way, it's starting to seem awfully inconvenient that any > contract must have at least two people on whose behalf the contract > can effectively act. You may have some more catching up to do on the ruleset after the c

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-28 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 21:54, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > However, it can be blocked by only three objections, and the > rule refuses to apply any abusive change, which on its own prevents it > from being used as part of a scam. Isn't it a memorandum's decision what it finds in th

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-28 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 at 21:53, James Cook wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 21:54, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion > wrote: > > However, it can be blocked by only three objections, and the > > rule refuses to apply any abusive change, which on its own prevents it > > from being used as part of a

Re: DIS: [cotc] state of the cfj archives

2020-01-28 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 at 22:04, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > Over time I've managed to backfill in about half the cases in the > 3400s, but took time off in the 3500-3600s, so there's still gaps > there. Getting 10-20 old cases up per month or so, generally working > backwards. When I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I register

2020-01-28 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
Come back soon! On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 at 13:31, Rebecca via agora-business wrote: > > I deregister > > On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 8:12 PM Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > Aris wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 3:25 PM Rebecca via agora-busines

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Editorial Guidelines

2020-01-28 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
It is interesting to consider changing our use of pronouns, but if we're not changing anything, is there any reason to cover pronouns in the editorial guidelines at all? I don't see any confusion or inconsistency related to them, and I expect any new player who has given the rules even a cursory re

Re: DIS: The Very Worst Thing That Could Possibly Happen (Attn. Distributor)

2020-01-28 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 at 15:46, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion wrote: > Also relevant: CFJs 3411-3412. I was hesitent to raise this morbid concern, but now that the subject has been broached, are dead former players persons? R869 would seem to say no. This may affect the accuracy of Tailor

Re: DIS: The Very Worst Thing That Could Possibly Happen (Attn. Distributor)

2020-01-28 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 at 23:18, omd via agora-discussion wrote: > I can at least put it through the formal proposal process, by > submitting a proposal expressing the sense of Agora that it's okay to > publish players' email addresses on the web. However, that only > accounts for current active pla

DIS: proto: the eternal spirit (was The Very Worst Thing That Could Possibly Happen)

2020-01-28 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 at 23:54, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion wrote: > Falsifian wrote: > > I was hesitent to raise this morbid concern, but now that the subject > > has been broached, are dead former players persons? R869 would seem to > > say no. This may affect the accuracy of Tailor rep

DIS: (no subject)

2020-01-28 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
Archived at https://github.com/AgoraNomic/Reporter/tree/master/weekly_summaries For the week 2020-01-20..26: # Victory * G. wins the game by paying a fee of 1000 coins, and tells the story of eir coins. Thread: "bored of liquidity, need to invest" # Voting * The H. Assessor resolves Propos

DIS: [Reporter] Last Week in Agora

2020-01-28 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
Archived at https://github.com/AgoraNomic/Reporter/tree/master/weekly_summaries (Sorry for the repeat email; I forgot the subject line the frist time.) For the week 2020-01-20..26: # Victory * G. wins the game by paying a fee of 1000 coins, and tells the story of eir coins. Thread: "bored of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Editorial Guidelines

2020-01-29 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 10:23, omd via agora-discussion wrote: > On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 9:07 PM Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion > wrote: > > Personally, I’m vaguely of the opinion that we should switch to they/them > > instead of Spivak in general. Our use of Spivak now feels like using > >

Re: DIS: On old CFJs

2020-01-29 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 04:00, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > Rule 991 states: > > > At any time, each CFJ is either open (default), suspended, or > > assigned exactly one judgement. > > > What exactly does it mean for a CFJ to be "assigned exactly one > judgement"? Specifical

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-30 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 14:34, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > Draft revision, since this is complicated: > > All of these CoEs are accepted. > > Revised resolutions for 8292-8307: Shouldn't you also say that you resolve these decisions? My understanding is that you're not publishing a re

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-30 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 15:43, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 1/30/20 10:21 AM, James Cook wrote: > > Shouldn't you also say that you resolve these decisions? My > > understanding is that you're not publishing a report here; you're > > re-taking some by-announcement actions in case you

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-30 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 16:55, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 10:32, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: > > Proto: "Pragmatic decisions", AI-3 > > > > Amend R208 by replacing: > > 4. It specifies the outcome, as described elsewhere, and, if there > >

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-30 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 17:03, James Cook wrote: > Here's a somewhat different way we could do it: > > * An announcement resolving a decision doesn't need to specify > anything other than the decision --- not even the outcome. That causes > the decision to resolve to the (platonically) correct outc

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Help with Forgotten Announcements, Support Improvements

2020-01-31 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 02:46, omd via agora-discussion wrote: > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 1:45 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-business > wrote: > > Enact a new power-1 rule entitled "Default Mechanisms" reading as follows: > > I feel like this makes more sense in a high-power rule so it doesn't > break w

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Help with Forgotten Announcements, Support Improvements

2020-01-31 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 21:46, Alexis Hunt via agora-business wrote: > 3. Replacing "The action is to be performed with N Agoran consent, and > the number > of Supporters of the intent is less than or equal to N times the number of > Objectors to the intent." with "The action is to be performed wit

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Deputisation timeliness

2020-01-31 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 21:49, Alexis Hunt via agora-business wrote: > I have two other suggestions after thinking about how to reduce Cyan > Ribbon shenanigans and make it a more interesting thing to obtain that > genuinely requires working the officer's duties. First, make it so that a > player

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Zombie proposals

2020-01-31 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 03:25, Alexis Hunt via agora-business wrote: > Amend Rule 2574 (Zombie Life Cycle) by: > - replacing the first two paragraphs with: { > Any player CAN, with notice, putrefy player who has not made a public missing word? "putrefy a player" > announcement in the past 60 days

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Chamber and Other Fixes

2020-01-31 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 03:50, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > --- > Title: Promotorial Assignment > Adoption index: 2.0 > Author: Aris > Co-author(s): > Chamber: Legislation > > Amend the rule entitled "Proposal Chambers" by adding the text > "If a proposal in the Proposal Pool has its c

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-31 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
Are we sure the first attempt at resolving the decisions didn't succeed? I've lost track. In case we're a the situation like Alexis outlined, where the first succeeds platonically and this one succeeds via self-ratification, I tried to work out what happened if these proposals were enacted twice.

Re: DIS: [Proto] [Possibly Urgent] Ratification Changes

2020-01-31 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Fri, 31 Jan 2020 at 01:30, Tanner Swett via agora-discussion wrote: > then a legal fiction is established that the belief was true at the time of > the earliest public message indicating the belief; and the gamestate is > therefore altered as though the belief had been true at that time, in ord

Re: DIS: [Proto] [Possibly Urgent] Ratification Changes

2020-01-31 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 18:18, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > Well, the outcome is defined by a calculation given by the rules. So > if, say, an AI=1 proposal has votes FOR equal to votes AGAINST, then > its outcome is REJECTED. So ratifying outcome means ratifying that > F>A. But what d

DIS: [proto] Retroactive Events: a refactor of ratification

2020-02-01 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
This is a counter-proto to Alexis's "Ratification by Legal Fiction", in the sense that I think it also fixes the problem of ratification failing due to minimal gamestate changes being ambiguous. It is a more radical change and makes the use of ratification less concise, but in my opinion the reward

Re: DIS: [Proto] [Possibly Urgent] Ratification Changes

2020-02-01 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
Finally had time to read this sort-of-carefully. It do like it better than the current "minimally modified" language for ratification. Wasn't there a time in the past when ratification worked by the rules simply declaring that when a document is ratified, it becomes true at the time specified? I d

Re: DIS: [proto] Retroactive Events: a refactor of ratification

2020-02-01 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 at 16:30, ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk wrote: > On Sat, 2020-02-01 at 16:17 +0000, James Cook via agora-discussion > wrote: > > This is a counter-proto to Alexis's "Ratification by Legal Fiction", > > in the sense that I think it also fixes the pr

Re: DIS: [Proto] [Possibly Urgent] Ratification Changes

2020-02-01 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sat., Feb. 1, 2020, 12:57 James Cook, wrote: > Finally had time to read this sort-of-carefully. It do like it better > than the current "minimally modified" language for ratification. > > Wasn't there a time in the past when ratification worked by the rules > simply declaring that when a docum

Re: DIS: [Proto] [Possibly Urgent] Ratification Changes

2020-02-01 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 at 18:20, James Cook wrote: > Bah, sorry, I overlooked the stuff about ordering of facts when I wrote that. I mean ordering the evaluation of legal fictions.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8308-8321

2020-02-01 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 at 03:15, omd via agora-business wrote: > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 6:29 PM Aris Merchant via agora-official > wrote: > > 8308& Falsifian3.0 Imposing order on the order > AGAINST; I think this is too vague to be a valid rule change Are you referring to this pa

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3788 Assigned to Jason Cobb

2020-02-01 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
Comments inline. I think I agree with the gist of this, but there are parts I'm confused about, and also, I don't quite buy one of your arguments (but it could be because I'm confused). > Rule 1551 states that the gamestate is "minimally modified to make the > ratified document as true and accurat

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3788 Assigned to Jason Cobb

2020-02-01 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 at 23:10, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > JUDGEMENT IN CFJ 3788 Okay, completely different, updated comment: I'm confused. This judgement doesn't seem to consider that ratification involves two gamestate modifications. One is a hypothetical "minimal" change, and the oth

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3788 Assigned to Jason Cobb

2020-02-01 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 at 23:25, James Cook wrote: > Wait, I'm confused. Which document are you talking about? And what > does "solely through a lack of change by ratification" mean? (These arguments are moot now that I've responded to the official judgment, but ignore this particular argument especi

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-02-01 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2 Feb 2020 at 00:35, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 at 19:22, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion > wrote: > > > > On 2/1/20 7:20 PM, James Cook wrote: > > > I submit a proposal as follows: > > > > > > Title: Unrepetition > > > AI: 3 > > > Chamber: Efficiency > >

DIS: [Reporter] Some questions, some thoughts, and a proposed newsletter

2020-02-01 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
Questions for anyone interested in Agora: 1. Would you be interested in seeing an Agoran newsletter? Not like "Last week in Agora"; I mean something more carefully written and covering a longer span of time. 2. Do you think my "Last Week in Agora" summaries are useful? Any other comments

Re: DIS: [proto] Retroactive Events: a refactor of ratification

2020-02-02 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2 Feb 2020 at 00:41, omd via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 8:17 AM James Cook via agora-discussion > wrote: > > This is a counter-proto to Alexis's "Ratification by Legal Fiction", in > > the sense that I think it also fixes the proble

Re: DIS: [proto] Retroactive Events: a refactor of ratification

2020-02-02 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2 Feb 2020 at 13:27, Tanner Swett via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sat, Feb 1, 2020, 19:41 omd via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > A rule may state or imply that 'X is treated as if it > > were Y', but this is considered an attempt to redefine

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: [proto] Retroactive Events: a refactor of ratification

2020-02-02 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2 Feb 2020 at 01:10, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > This is certainly a hell of a lot simpler than the alternative. You've > dealt pretty convincingly with my complaint about generality; it's not > general, but it looks like the lack of generality doesn't actually > turn out t

DIS: [Reporter] Last Week in Agora

2020-02-06 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
Archived at https://github.com/AgoraNomic/Reporter/tree/master/weekly_summaries Report for the week of 2020-01-27..02-02: # Summary Welcome Tcbapo! A lot happened last week. twg won the game the hard way. Many parts of the rules are changed after the adoption of twelve proposals, and voting be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3788 Assigned to Jason Cobb

2020-02-06 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2 Feb 2020 at 22:56, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2/1/20 7:05 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: > > On 2/1/20 6:57 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > >> I intend, with 2 support, to group-file a motion to reconsider. > > I self-file a motion to reconsider in CFJ 3788. > > > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3788 Assigned to Jason Cobb

2020-02-06 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
Thought of another comment: On Sun, 2 Feb 2020 at 22:56, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > that revert what it has already done. Additionally, this interpretation > would likely break self-ratification of switch reports, which would be > against the best interests of the game, so Rule 217

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3788 Assigned to Jason Cobb

2020-02-06 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 17:34, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2/6/20 12:02 PM, James Cook wrote: > > It's not clear to me your judgement would break self-ratification of > > switch reports. Aris's documents were written in an unusual way: they > > said that at some earlier date, the val

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3788 Assigned to Jason Cobb

2020-02-06 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 17:58, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:47 AM James Cook via agora-discussion > wrote: > > > > On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 17:34, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion > > wrote: > > > On 2/6/20 12:02 PM, James Cook

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Let's deal with the temporary rules.

2020-02-06 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 18:52, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2/6/20 1:49 PM, James Cook wrote: > > Title: Blink test v1.1 > > AI: 1 > > Chamber: Legislation > > Text: { > > > > Amend Rule 2601 to read in full: > > > > If this is the only sentence in this rule, and it has been at

DIS: Re: BUS: [DoV] [Proposal] Closing the door behind me

2020-02-06 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 18:09, James Cook wrote: > Are we just going to let a steady stream of sufficiently dedicated > players claim their standard victories? I say we raise the bar a > little. By the way, I don't mean for this comment to take away from G.'s victory. G. built quite a large balance

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Help with Forgotten Announcements, Support Improvements

2020-02-06 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
> My apologies for the delayed reply here, but this was intentional and > I would ask that everyone who voted against it for this reason > consider voting in favour. This is done to match up with the way that > proposals work: an AI=1 proposal requires a strict majority, but an > AI=2 proposal can

DIS: Re: [Reporter] Last Week in Agora

2020-02-06 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
> voting began on several more, including ways to make the decision > process smoother. Small correction: I think only one proposal currently being voted on is related to improving the decision process. - Falsifian

Re: DIS: [Reporter] Last Week in Agora

2020-02-06 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 23:52, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion wrote: > Falsifian wrote: > > Welcome Tcbapo! > > > > A lot happened last week. twg won the game the hard way. Many parts of > > the rules are changed after the adoption of twelve proposals, and > > voting began on several more, i

Re: DIS: [Reporter] Some questions, some thoughts, and a proposed newsletter

2020-02-06 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2 Feb 2020 at 13:34, Tanner Swett via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sat, Feb 1, 2020, 21:25 James Cook via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > 2. Do you think my "Last Week in Agora" summaries are useful? Any other >

Re: DIS: [Reporter] Some questions, some thoughts, and a proposed newsletter

2020-02-06 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2 Feb 2020 at 02:42, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 6:25 PM James Cook via agora-discussion > wrote: > > > > Questions for anyone interested in Agora: > > > > 1. Would you be interested in seeing an Agoran newsletter?

Re: DIS: [Reporter] Some questions, some thoughts, and a proposed newsletter

2020-02-07 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 05:17, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > > I had been imagining the more substantial newsletter being close to > > quarterly. Looking at that blog, it looks like at least some of them > > had shorter periods in mind. Any opinions on the relative benefits of > > diff

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3805 judged TRUE

2020-02-07 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 23:31, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 1:20 PM Aris Merchant via agora-discussion > wrote: > > > > On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 1:07 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > > wrote: > > > > > > The Archives are now CFJ 3805 compliant. > > > > After

Re: DIS: [Reporter] Some questions, some thoughts, and a proposed newsletter

2020-02-08 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
> > Alternatively, it could be interesting to add a general mechanism for > > public funding of private projects. E.g. have a singleton Budget > > switch which lists contracts that get weekly payments. An example > > might be [{my press contract, 5 Coins}, {Society for the Advancement > > of Agora,

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer ain't dead no mo'

2020-02-08 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 21:22, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: > I set my master to myself > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNFzfwLM72c Always a pleasure to have you back! If you're looking for something to do: * You could try winning yourself in this month's zombie auction. It wouldn't d

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Registrar] February zombie auction status

2020-02-09 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 at 21:15, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 at 12:17, James Cook via agora-business > wrote: > > > > This is an unofficial report on the ongoing zombie auction. All times UTC. > > > > Note: it is not clear that zombie auctions work. It is possible the

DIS: Re: BUS: [Registrar] February zombie auction status

2020-02-09 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 19:04, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: > The way zombie auctions work, you can’t bid for yourself—you just bid on the > auction in general, and then whoever has the highest bid gets Trigon, whoever > has the second highest gets Nch, whoever has the third highest get

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I register

2020-02-09 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 18:09, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: > On 1/24/2020 3:25 PM, Rebecca via agora-business wrote: > > > I, R. Lee, do register > > I have a registration recorded from 12/29/2019, I suppose that was also > ineffective due to the Troubles, though? In a couple of place

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