Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Report NoVs

2009-01-17 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:52 AM, comex wrote: > That's not very nice-- e clearly was unaware of the situation. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect officers to read the rules. Of course, if e was unaware because the SLR wasn't defining "publish" at the time that's probably grounds for NOT G

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Watcher registration

2009-01-19 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:45 PM, bd_ wrote: > Hah, well, suffice it to say I'm not intending to register until I have > an idea as to what ambiguities, loopholes, and paradoxes are in the spotlight > at the moment - but if a CFJ says I'm registered already, well, that's that :) I don't believe t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Activity check

2009-01-19 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Benjamin Schultz wrote: > HP2 joins the AAA. Welcome! > HP2 requests subsidization. Fails; only first-class farmers are eligible for subsidization.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 6059

2009-01-21 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Ah. If you mean to merge the criminal and equity courts, you should just > come out and say that a "judge of an equity court can create rests" and > rather than using this backhanded method. But with this method, contracts can be self-policin

DIS: Re: BUS: bank merger

2009-01-22 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Taral wrote: > I disapprove this Motion. Find a better disposition of the assets than > an inflationary bank system. Well, yeah, the proposal to fix the PBA should really come before this part of my evil 2-part plan. This part has the benefit of being the easy pa

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2348 assigned to OscarMeyr

2009-01-22 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Benjamin Schultz wrote: > I intend to rule GUILTY on this case, and sentence the defendant to FINE. > Any comments, especially from H. Notary w1n5t0n? comment: read R1504 before trying to sentence FINE. :-P

DIS: Re: BUS: bank merger

2009-01-22 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Benjamin Schultz wrote: > If Wooble's motion of 22 Jan 2009 is approved, then immediately after the > change in exchange rates but before any other actions involving the RBoA > happen, I withdraw as much of the RBoA's assets as I can. I'm fairly certain such condi

DIS: Re: BUS: bank merger

2009-01-24 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 9:35 PM, comex wrote: > I withdraw as many VP as possible. I believe this is 6, for ^15, leaving you with ^3 > The AFO withdraws as many VP as possible. As ehird pointed out, the AFO is not a Comrade so it can't receive coins, so this is 0.

DIS: Re: BUS: foo

2009-01-24 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Elliott Hird wrote: > I withdraw all the VP I can from the PBA. 27, I think. > I leave the Vote Market. I doubt it.

DIS: Re: BUS: Judicial NoVs

2009-01-25 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 10:01 PM, comex wrote: > I contest these and initiate criminal cases regarding the > above-contested NoVs. You could have easily reminded either me or the > CotC to achieve the necessary support. Note to judge: the fact that comex is initiating criminal CFJs for violating

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2344 assigned to ehird

2009-01-26 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 2:17 AM, Ed Murphy wrote: > Gratuituous: The backing document of props had been restored to legal > standing by the time this CFJ was initiated. If ais523 wanted to ask > whether props remained an asset while it lacked such standing, e should > have done so. I believe ei

DIS: committee non-CFJ

2009-01-26 Thread Geoffrey Spear
To avoid filing excess CFJs, I'll just ask for general opinions on this one: are PNP and TNP2 embassies? I'm not even sure what it would mean for their related nomics' rules to designate that they represent the nomics in Agora since their rules are code and have no place for such abstractions.

Re: DIS: committee non-CFJ

2009-01-26 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > I don't think they are embassies within the letter of the rules, but > they're definitely embassies in spirit. > > Luckily, embassyness doesn't do anything atm, IIRC. It affects committee membership, which I have to track.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: committee cleanup?

2009-01-26 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 7:03 PM, comex wrote: > I just meant that it's not doing any harm by failing to vote and thus > diluting the power of the committee-- the reason I initially assumed > for the inactivations. Actually I just didn't want to track committee memberships consisting of a bunch of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 6063-6069

2009-01-26 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 7:32 PM, comex wrote: > On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 7:26 PM, Charles Reiss wrote: Anyone CAN cause this rule to amend itself by announcement. >>> NoV: The PNP violated Rule 1607 by distributing this proposal (a >>> mangled copy of P6069). >> >> I contest this. It's not cl

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2346 assigned to Wooble

2009-01-27 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Indeed. It could be said that the purpose of *any* contract is to > enforce trust in cases where people aren't inherently trustworthy. The problem in a case like this is that there's no way for the equity court to actually restore equity; I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ on reward/punishment

2009-01-27 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Why? If the two are in the same currency (+1 note versus -2 notes), what's > the difference for R101, which must consider any sort of penalty (note: > "penalty" not "punishment"). If I don't get my note I've certainly been > penalized. The n

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ on reward/punishment

2009-01-28 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 2:04 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Um, what about an officer's weekly duties which are clearly linked > to particular obligations? -Goethe You get a note for completing the weekly duties of any office, not one per office. The same argument applies; I'd be better off ignoring

Re: DIS: [BF Joust] New Tournament Proposals

2009-01-29 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > (d) change definition of > < to jump (N+1) where N is value of cell. > If on a cell of 0, '>' is replaced with '>'. May interact badly > with (a). This enables direct interference with opponents' code without > changing flavor of BF c

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2346 judged by Wooble

2009-02-02 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: >> Murphy, could you give me a notary wiki account? > > Create one and I'll give it edit privs. Note also that Wooble is > running against you. I only intended to publish the report. (Whether I'll actually do so is another story.) I'm holding en

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Conductor] Lead Sheet

2009-02-02 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 12:22 PM, comex wrote: > On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Geoffrey Spear wrote: >> Conductor's Lead Sheet > > Just in case, I intend to ratify this without objection. The asset tallies are self-ratifying. Which is why cmealerjr has some notes; they ra

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Voting results for Proposal 6069, and scam

2009-02-03 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Alex Smith wrote: > (h) Eagle-eyed, to be awarded to any player who noticed a scam, > thought up a way to stop it, warned everyone clearly, and yet > the scam happened anyway due to apathy on the part of other > players. I'd pre

DIS: Re: BUS: NoVs, intents, nominations

2009-02-03 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Ridiculously strong words for someone who's just made emself > inactive and thus is unwilling to do the work emself. I didn't make myself inactive, I made myself supine and still hold an office.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: More farming

2009-02-04 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Ed Murphy wrote: > Someone please remember to transfer one of my props to whoever is > elected Conductor for making em compute the stuff above. nttpf, and it's going to be the Insulator's job. fwiw, I believe you have 2 Rests; the more recent NoVs against you and

DIS: Re: BUS: FRContest catchup, take two

2009-02-04 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: > I intend, without 3 objections, to flip the contestmaster of > FRContest to ehird. For the purpose of the pledge below, > this is intent #3c. e's not a player anymore. Billy Pilgrim is the only one in the #3 set who is eligible at the moment, a

Re: DIS: Thinking of joining

2009-02-04 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > Hello. > I have just discovered Nomic, and I am currently considering joining Agora > in order to get accustomed to the game and see how it's played. Should I? > How much will be expected of me? Is it better to be Watcher for a few weeks > a

Re: DIS: Anarchist?

2009-02-05 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > Whatever happened to the Anarchist? As I understood it Bayes held it, > but was declared inactive and lost it, the Goethe nominated himself > for it. Has voting begun yet? The nomination period ends Fri 6 Feb 15:50:49. Goethe is currently

DIS: Re: BUS: Economic cleanup proposals

2009-02-05 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: > Proposal: Five tons of flax > (AI = 2, please) > > If the Tailor did not publish eir report during the voting period of > the decision on whether to adopt this proposal, then repeal Rule > 2199 (Ribbons). The Tailor's report is monthly and was a

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 2346 (was: Re: OFF: [CotC] Docket)

2009-02-06 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Fri, 6 Feb 2009, Geoffrey Spear wrote: >> On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 10:20 AM, comex wrote: >>> I contest these NoVs, which were published mere hours after the time >>> limit for publishing an opinion had expi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 2346 (was: Re: OFF: [CotC] Docket)

2009-02-06 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Benjamin Caplan wrote: > The theory, I think, is that the timing, though not significant in > itself, /indicates/ an underlying situation that is significant. (This > situation is analogous to how messages sent to a-d can be used as > evidence of intent or consent.

DIS: Re: BUS: Registration

2009-02-07 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Aaron Goldfein wrote: > I would like to register to play Agora. Welcome. Is there any nickname you'd like to use?

DIS: Rests

2009-02-09 Thread Geoffrey Spear
H. Insulator, I believe this is the current status of Rests; I'm removing the non-note-related parts from the Conductor's report: Rests - comex - 6 ehird - 5 Murphy - 12 pikhq - 2 Quazie - 2 root - 1 Sgeo - 2 Taral - 2 w1n5t0n - 2 All other persons have no Rests. History --- Fri 9 Jan 0

DIS: Re: OFF: [Dep. Anarchist] Repealment proposals

2009-02-09 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:49 AM, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > The following proposals are made as a part of the Anarchist's weekly > duties. Said duties have not been performed within the tme limit, so I > hereby deputise for the office regarding this duty. > > Proposal: Repeal R2147 >> Repeal Rule 214

DIS: Re: BUS: Scrub scrub

2009-02-10 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: > The AFO spends E E to remove one of my Rests. > The AFO spends E E to remove one of my Rests. One of these probably failed, pending the outcome of CFJ 2366 (which I'm fairly likely to judge FALSE since as far as I can tell neither comex nor ais52

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Act V

2009-02-12 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 6:55 PM, comex wrote: > I transfer one coin to the entity formerly known as Rule 2184. :P Fails; the entity formerly known as Rule 2184 is not a Comrade.

DIS: Re: BUS: A scam

2009-02-13 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Warrigal wrote: > I cease to play by invoking Rule 101(vii). I register. > > I CFJ on the statement "I am a player". Dubious arguments: I > deregistered, but not by announcement; therefore, the 30-day time > limit does not apply. I CFJ on the statement "I am a par

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ

2009-02-13 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 7:02 PM, comex wrote: > As the existence of the contestmaster attribute does not depend on the > contract, dependent actions whose effects would include changing a > contest's contestmaster are not possible. Contestmaster is a contract switch. Of course its existence depe

DIS: Re: BUS: (Attn Goethe) Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2382 assigned to woggle

2009-02-15 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > >> Thus, I hereby consent this CFJ to transfer this CFJ to H. Judge of >> CFJ 2380 Goethe (per R2164). > > I consent to the transfer. -Goethe This is ineffective, although you CAN transfer the case your yourself if you assign a judgment in th

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2377 assigned to Wooble

2009-02-15 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I intend to appeal this judgement with 2 support. One thing missing > from this argument is the second paragraph of R106, which strongly > implies that a body of text with the right properties has to go > through a process to "become" a legal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Correction of Typos

2009-02-16 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 1:51 AM, Benjamin Caplan wrote: >> Not a sufficient formal retraction. > > ...although it might constitute an effective disclaimer of any > subsequent version of the proposal e tries to submit. AFAICT, no other version was proposed to the PF anyway.

DIS: Re: BUS: Withdrawals

2009-02-17 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: > [Disclaimer: Some of the following may fail due to lack of funds.] > I PBA-withdraw a 5 crop. > I PBA-withdraw a 5 crop. > I PBA-withdraw a 5 crop. > I PBA-withdraw a 5 crop. > I PBA-withdraw a 5 crop. > I PBA-withdraw a 5 crop. > I PBA-withdraw

DIS: Re: BUS: PBA

2009-02-17 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:54 AM, Taral wrote: > I PBA-withdraw as many 2 crops as I can. all 6 for ^279 > I PBA-withdraw as many X crops as I can. 6 for ^237, leaving you with ^12

DIS: Re: BUS: Appeal 2356a

2009-02-18 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > I move to REMAND 2356a. It should be overturned based on the Defendant's > arguments (to which the Judge agrees) but it's unfair to punish the > judge when the Defendant did not provide eir argument in a timely > manner. -Goethe I made th

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Grand Poobah] caste() report

2009-02-18 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Benjamin Schultz wrote: SAVAGE (Voting Limit: 0) >>> (All others not yet listed, as well as:) >>> Warrigal >> >> Are you sure? >> >> --Warrigal > > > Partially. I've been flooded with emails each time I log in, so I may have > missed something. What did I m

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PBA tweaking

2009-02-20 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Elliott Hird wrote: > 2009/2/20 Geoffrey Spear : >> Remove Clause 17, and renumber the following clauses sequentially. > > Erm, I believe you want the RBoA. No, auto rate changes based on transactions would remain, just the midnight auto c

Re: DIS: AAA: I just have to join, right?

2009-02-20 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > I read through the AAA contract, and as I understand it it's just for > me to join and request subsidization, and I will have a couple of > lands to start with? Anything tricky I should think about? Not really, unless you consider mod 11

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Short Logical Ruleset

2009-02-20 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > If leniency is warranted, > the right mechanism would be to say that an Officer should have been > aware of the abuse (so UNAWARE is not an option in the culpability) but > not aware of the seriousness, and that this lack of awareness was > rea

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Allow severity adjustments

2009-02-20 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:15 PM, comex wrote: > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >>The judge CAN, with 2 Support, set the fine at a >>different integral level between one half and double that >>amount, > > Aren't 1 and 2 times the only such integ

DIS: Re: BUS: I don't like the endless NoVs for judicial lateness, but...

2009-02-21 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 2:32 PM, comex wrote: > On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Alex Smith wrote: >> I NoV against cmealerjr for violating the power-2 rule 2158 by failing >> to assign a judgement to CFJ 2363 as soon as possible. (E's over 4 days >> late, now, and appears to have disappeared fro

DIS: Re: BUS: Thanks comex!

2009-02-21 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Elliott Hird wrote: > I hereby invoke my rule 101 right to not participate in the game. I request that the Distributor take steps to make sure the game stops intruding on H. Fugitive ehird's mailbox.

DIS: Re: BUS: More burning

2009-02-23 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 3:25 PM, comex wrote: > I spend GG# G#G# G#G# G#G# to destroy four of my rests. The last one fails; you only had 5 G# notes

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: B Nomic

2009-02-23 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Elliott Hird wrote: > j insists B Nomic has a consistent gamestate in the fifth era. > It objectively hasn't. He meanwhile continues trying to play it > on the same forum as the rest of us, where we are reviving > A Nomic. To quote a wise player of B: "Suggestion:

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2384-86 assigned to Wooble

2009-02-24 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > I consent to transfer CFJs 2384-86 to Goethe, as they largely hinge on > the results of CFJ 2376. > > (If Goethe doesn't want them, I'll most likely wait for a ruling in > CFJ 2376 before ruling on them; I'

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2384-86 assigned to Wooble

2009-02-24 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > 2386 is really the crux of it.  Wooble, do you want it now that I've > delivered CFJ 2376, or should I? I'll judge it, but I suspect that it's going to be appealed no matter what conclusion I reach.

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2384-86 assigned to Wooble

2009-02-25 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > CFJ2376 established that the text of Proposal 6072 was changed to a > form that would insert the required language in R2238; the only Looking back over the history, it appears that the reference to R2238 might be a factual error; as

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2384-86 assigned to Wooble

2009-02-25 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Wed, 25 Feb 2009, Geoffrey Spear wrote: >> It was not; the AI of the proposal itself was >> increased to 3, but the AI of the decision to adopt it was never >> increased. > > Is this a bug or a feature?  -

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Support Plutocracy

2009-02-27 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Aaron Goldfein wrote: > Except couldn't there be some weird loop where some decide to change a > decision to ordinary and then others decide to change it back. Yes, but once the voting period ends the pro-Ordinary faction would win once P6116 passes.

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Democracy When Reasonable

2009-02-27 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Aaron Goldfein wrote: > A player CAN, with 2 support, change an ordinary decision to be democratic > provided the voting of the people has not already commenced The voting of the people commences when the decision is created.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Democracy When Reasonable

2009-02-27 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Alex Smith wrote: > On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 09:51 -0500, Geoffrey Spear wrote: >> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Aaron Goldfein >> wrote: >> > A player CAN, with 2 support, change an ordinary decision to be democratic >> > prov

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Short Logical Ruleset

2009-02-27 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Given that if e'd put the rule in, we would have accused em of trying > to ratify a scam or something, I'd say all these fall into "dammed if > e does, dammed if e doesn't", in other words, R1504(e).  -G. The Ruleset doesn't self-ratify and c

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Short Logical Ruleset

2009-02-27 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 12:50 PM, comex wrote: > The judgement that ruled that the rule exists was published two days > ago, before which I thought it probably didn't, and we haven't even > reached the appeals deadline.  I'm kind of conservative with this and > I don't believe Zefram ever recorded

Re: DIS: without objections

2009-02-27 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > That's a good point.  I could probably generalize to "N days Advanced > Notice" where N is between 4-13, defaulting to 4.  Then put it in for > deputisation etc.  -G. Between 2-13 you mean? Or even 1-13, although I can't think of anything I'd

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: ok, there e is

2009-02-27 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Er, I'm lost now.  How/when was r2241 created again?  -G. P6072 created it, since R2238 had already repealed itself earlier.

Re: DIS: No longer periodic?

2009-03-02 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> Has the requirement for the IADoP to hold periodic elections been removed? > > Sorry, I may be blind, but where is the clause which allows an IADoP to end > an election early if there's only one nomine

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Another corner case

2009-03-03 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > The relevant question here isn't whether she can communicate, but whether > she can understand well enough to be her own legal person (e.g. it might > rely on being able to communicate consent, etc.).  Something of the sort > came up around CFJ

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fun and games

2009-03-04 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Elliott Hird wrote: > 2009/3/4 Alex Smith : >> I submit the following proposal (AI 3, Title="Open It Up", >> coauthor=Goethe): >> -- >> >> Create a Rule with the following text and a power of 3: >> >>  

Re: DIS: Proto: Simpler notes

2009-03-05 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 6:46 AM, Alex Smith wrote: >      The maximum FINE amount for each pitch of note is 5. We did away with FINEs when Rests were adopted; this sentence's predecessor should have been removed then.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: faster deputies for vacant offices

2009-03-06 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Um, didn't I just propose this well enough (Proposal 6127)?   Perhaps > a preferred way here is to limit it to vacant offices (Proposal 6127) > but state that "inactive or deregistered players CAN be removed from > office by announcement". Thi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New Player

2009-03-07 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Elliott Hird wrote: > 2009/3/7 coppro : >> I, coppro, am registering. >> > > > Probably doesn't work. Odd phrasing. Try "I register as coppro". A first-class person CAN (unless explicitly forbidden or prevented by the rules) register by announcing that

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2383a affirmed by Goethe, comex; woggle moves to OVERRULE / NOT GUILTY

2009-03-10 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 1:46 AM, Sgeo wrote: > I remember someone saying that if this went through, e'd NoV > inactives.. What happened to that? It would be almost impossible to convict them, as there's a reasonable doubt about whether they read the ruleset and it's impossible to prove a player di

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2402 judged GUILTY / SILENCE by ehird

2009-03-11 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Elliott Hird wrote: > 2009/3/10 Ed Murphy : >> Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2402 >> >> =  Criminal Case 2402  = >> >>    Taral violated R2234, a power-2 rule, by not awarding me points >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New contest

2009-03-11 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Ed Murphy wrote: > Even with multiple contestants capable of gaming it?  I considered > withdrawing my agreement and re-posting with a AAA-style "contestants > SHALL NOT submit spam proposals / cases", but let's see how it plays > out as is. How about "contestant

Re: DIS: Draft: Simplify single candidate elections

2009-03-15 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Benjamin Schultz wrote: > It seems to me that having an election period for one candidate is an > unnecessary burden on the IADoP and Agora.  So: > > AI = 2, II = 1, title = "Single Candidate election" > Amend R2154 by inserting the following paragraph before the

DIS: Re: BUS: Changes to the PBA

2009-03-16 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: > I intend, with support of the People, to amend the PBA as follows in > four days: > {{ > Change section 12 to read {The Coinkeepor is coppro.} > > Add a new section, reading > {Each Comrade should endeavour to assist the Coinkeepor in producing

DIS: Re: BUS: This works nowadays, which is pretty cool

2009-03-16 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Warrigal wrote: > I believe precedent is that flipping a certain Agoran switch (namely, > Citizenship) is not the same as an explicit, willful agreement to be > bound by the rules. I see no reason the same shouldn't be true of > becoming a player of B. Rule 1-4: "

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: This works nowadays, which is pretty cool

2009-03-16 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:15 PM, comex wrote: > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Geoffrey Spear wrote: >> Note: the text e published is a private contract whose parties are the >> players of B Nomic, but we certainly haven't unanimously agreed to >> make it a public

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Changes to the PBA

2009-03-17 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Taral wrote: > I withdraw as many 9 crops as I can. This should be 5 for 10 coins > I transfer all my coins to Wooble. 2, I believe.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Changes to the PBA

2009-03-17 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Sean Hunt wrote: > I issue the Brokor's monthly and weekly reports: > > VP: coppro: 50 > > Average VP over the last 90 days: All players: 0. > > Open Tickets: None. > pseudoCoE: the Vote Market is not a contract (it has only 1 party, and doesn't identify itself a

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Low-priority Anarchism

2009-03-17 Thread Geoffrey Spear
> The Anarchist is a low-priority office; its holder is responsible for > proposing the repeal of rules. Leaves weekly duties, so making it low-priority would have no appreciable effect.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 6140-6151

2009-03-17 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> Office         Holder     Since        Election

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 6140-6151

2009-03-18 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Elliott Hird wrote: > You don't have to track it if he doesn't accept. Actually, at the moment e's required to initiate Agoran Decisions for elections even if there are no candidates, and 4 days after your nominations, no other nominations can be made until thes

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: farming

2009-03-18 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Alex Smith wrote: > In other words, your harvesting of 2401 fails because its ID number was > assigned more than a week ago. I haven't checked the other CFJs in your > list, but suspect many of the others have similar problems. This means > that the rest of your ac

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 6152-6164

2009-03-18 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> 6155 O 1 1.0 comex               Refactor falsity > 8xAGAINST.  Isn't this duplicated in "misleading"?  (Open to voting FOR >            if I'm missing something). This would criminalize even accidentally incorrect information if published a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 6152-6164

2009-03-18 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > As I understand it, it still will be. The paragraph "The Anarchist's > weekly duties include the performance of the >      following tasks(...)" will remain, so the only things actually > changing are that it won't have to be replaced as qu

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 6152-6164

2009-03-18 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: > Sean Hunt wrote: >> I CFJ {Warrigal has, at the time of this message, voted on proposal 6164}. > > I FAIL. That's probably not sufficiently clear to initiate a CFJ.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: dead contests

2009-03-19 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Taral wrote: > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Geoffrey Spear wrote: >> I deputise for the Scorekeepor to award myself 15 + 15i points. > > For which contest? AAA, the only contest for which I was the Contestmaster for at least 16 days in February.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: dead contests

2009-03-19 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Elliott Hird wrote: > Fails; the AAA wasn't a contest. Damn, I suppose the recordkeepors of rules-defined assets no longer CAN generally create them (except by self-ratification, of course).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2422 assigned to Wooble

2009-03-19 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Elliott Hird wrote: > The recent Spanish/Unicode incidents, IMO, provide strong evidence > that this precedent no longer exists. The unicode was sent in a format that any modern mail program would display in a readable manner. The Spanish was probably reasonably

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: dead contests

2009-03-19 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Taral wrote: > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Geoffrey Spear wrote: >> AAA, the only contest for which I was the Contestmaster for at least >> 16 days in February. > > Oh, right. Sorry, I saw 15 points and got confused. I believe 15 pl

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: SGVsbG8sIHdvcmxkIQ==

2009-03-20 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Elliott Hird wrote: > Base64 is ridiculously well known. You'd probably assert that any given esolang is also ridiculously well known. I, for one, can't recognize a bunch of random hex digits as having a meaning in base64. I assumed you were trying to take an a

DIS: Re: OFF: [Conductor] Lead Sheet?

2009-03-20 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 5:06 PM, comex wrote: > Hello!  This may be incorrect, and I'll check it over again when I get > the chance but this is a preliminary report of what I think Note > holdings are at present. I spent 3 notes to increase the PNP's caste a day or two ago, I think.

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto-proposal: Fixing a period from the 14th to the 17th century

2009-03-21 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 1:33 AM, Sean Hunt wrote: > and judge a case to get Blue) to the tough (Yellow). As far as I can > tell, no one has won by Renaissance in the year of its existence. No, but ais523 and I are both fairly likely to do it in June, if we get around to writing our theses. And i

DIS: Re: BUS: Mutations

2009-03-27 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: > Now, I have added all proposals I could find to the PNP's proposal pool > (including this one). However, I'm not sure if it is accurate, so if > someone could please corroborate this by counting the number of > Proposals to be distributed, that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Votes

2009-03-27 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: > Also, perhaps we should allow the Assessor to end a voting period early > if there is a certain amount of positive votes (say, VI twice the AI and > at least half of all active players voting). Tweaks? (Allow arbitrary changes to the gamestate w

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [AAA] SoA Report

2009-03-28 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > I wish to purchase a Digit Ranch. (Can I do that with those y-points I > got from Enigma?) I've been interpreting "3 Points" to mean x-axis points, as y-axis ones would usually be called "3i Points" I think. However, that portion of the

Re: DIS: Blackberry usage on agora

2009-03-31 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Schrodinger's Cat wrote: > Has anyone ever used a blackberry to play agora? > If yes, then would you recommend that I use mine? > (I have unlimited data plan) I don't see how the email client you use would really be relevant at all, as long as it's as functional

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Scorekeepor] Contestmaster Rewards, Scoreboard

2009-04-01 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Ian Kelly wrote: > I CFJ on the statement "A non-player who is a party to a contest is a > contestant in that contest." I'd argue for TRUE, although it may be technically IRRELEVANT; both R2234 (directly) and R2199 (indirectly, because you can't award points to a n

DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Census

2009-04-03 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Aaron Goldfein wrote: > As I have just taken office, all the data listed may not be correct. Please > inform me if there are any missing or incorrect details in this report. You're missing my recent going on (Tue, 31 Mar 2009 21:57:37) and coming off (Wed, 1 Apr 2

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2440 assigned to Wooble

2009-04-03 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> Thus, even if Goethe succeeded in multiple >> caste flips (which I don't believe e did, but that's a matter for the >> appeal in the revelant CFJ), coppro would not be responsible for >> fixing them through other caste flips. > > I tried to hav

DIS: Re: BUS: Status of Some Second-Class Person

2009-04-05 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Aaron Goldfein wrote: > As Taral's report contradicts itself, I'm unsure of the status of the > following second-class persons: > > People's Bank of Agora > Protection Racket > Reformed Bank of Agora > > Does anyone know whether these are active players, inactive pl

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