Re: DIS: Proto: MMI change

2007-08-22 Thread Ed Murphy
Levi wrote: Just noticed that Rule 2160 uses POSSIBLE. If it's the reverse of IMPOSSIBLE, it would be defined the same as CAN. But then, in Rule 2160, I'm not sure POSSIBLE is the right term? There was a proposal to change it to LEGAL, whereupon it was pointed out that many actions are LEGAL

Re: DIS: Proto: MMI change

2007-08-22 Thread Levi Stephen
Levi Stephen wrote: Yes, good. My "clarify MMI" proposal had: * MAY : it is PERMITTED for to . * PERMITTED, LEGAL: it is not MANDATORY to not perform the action. * MANDATORY, REQUIRED: there is an obligation to perform the action. -zefram Just notic

Re: DIS: Proto: MMI change

2007-08-22 Thread Levi Stephen
Yes, good. My "clarify MMI" proposal had: * MAY : it is PERMITTED for to . * PERMITTED, LEGAL: it is not MANDATORY to not perform the action. * MANDATORY, REQUIRED: there is an obligation to perform the action. -zefram I sumbitted a proposal with the r

Re: DIS: Proto: MMI change

2007-08-22 Thread Zefram
Levi Stephen wrote: >Sorry, should have said worded, rather than defined. It's good that they >are equivalent ;) OK. I agree with you that the latter is a superior wording, because it's more general when considering non-rule entities: I think a contract, for example, should be able to use the MM

Re: DIS: Proto: MMI change

2007-08-22 Thread Levi Stephen
Zefram wrote: Levi Stephen wrote: MAY: Performing the described action does not violate the rule in question But, MAY is probably better defined along the lines of MAY: Performing the described action is permitted These two definitions appear equivalent to me. That's what

Re: DIS: Proto: MMI change

2007-08-22 Thread Zefram
Levi Stephen wrote: >MAY: Performing the described action does not violate the rule in >question > >But, MAY is probably better defined along the lines of > >MAY: Performing the described action is permitted These two definitions appear equivalent to me. That's what "permitted" means

Re: DIS: Proto: MMI change

2007-08-21 Thread Levi Stephen
Zefram wrote: Levi Stephen wrote: 4. MAY, CAN: The described action is permitted but a failure to perform the described action does not violate the rule in question. These should not be synonymous. "CAN" should be concerned with possibility, and "MAY" with permission. Ye

Re: DIS: Proto: MMI change

2007-08-21 Thread Zefram
Levi Stephen wrote: > 4. MAY, CAN: The described action is permitted but a failure to > perform > the described action does not violate the rule in question. These should not be synonymous. "CAN" should be concerned with possibility, and "MAY" with permission. Re failure to p

Re: DIS: Proto: MMI change

2007-08-21 Thread comex
On 8/21/07, Levi Stephen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >4. MAY, CAN: The described action is permitted but a failure to perform in before Zefram's reply

DIS: Proto: MMI change

2007-08-21 Thread Levi Stephen
In Rule 2152 replace the following text: 4. CAN X ONLY IF Y: Equivalent to "CANNOT X unless Y". Similar for (MUST, MAY, SHALL, SHOULD) X ONLY IF Y. with 4. MAY, CAN: The described action is permitted but a failure to perform the described action does not viola