Re: DIS: Second draft of fees

2010-01-12 Thread Aaron Goldfein
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 12:22 AM, Sean Hunt wrote: > On 01/12/2010 11:19 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> On Tue, 12 Jan 2010, Sean Hunt wrote: >>> >>> A thought: Because all ergs are destroyed each week, it makes no sense >>> for the >>> PSM to have to publish a report once a week. >> >> I was thinki

Re: DIS: Second draft of fees

2010-01-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010, Sean Hunt wrote: > These should all be charges of ergs, not fees (no semantic reason, it's just > an > extension of the metaphor). Ooh, good one. > Making Rest destruction be 1 erg seems low; that means even the most basic of > players can abolish 4 of eir own Rests per w

Re: DIS: Second draft of fees

2010-01-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010, Sean Hunt wrote: > On 01/12/2010 11:19 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On Tue, 12 Jan 2010, Sean Hunt wrote: >>> A thought: Because all ergs are destroyed each week, it makes no sense for >>> the >>> PSM to have to publish a report once a week. >> >> I was thinking it was useful t

Re: DIS: Second draft of fees

2010-01-12 Thread Sean Hunt
On 01/12/2010 11:06 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: An attempt to performed a fee-based action is also implicitly a claim to be in possession of sufficient ergs to perform the action, and such a claim is self-ratifying. If the claim is erroneous but self-ratifies, then the act

Re: DIS: Second draft of fees

2010-01-12 Thread Sean Hunt
On 01/12/2010 11:19 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010, Sean Hunt wrote: A thought: Because all ergs are destroyed each week, it makes no sense for the PSM to have to publish a report once a week. I was thinking it was useful to publish a list of spending (e.g. actions performed in th

Re: DIS: Second draft of fees

2010-01-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Title: Minister without Portfolio. > > > Title: Majority Leader. And yes I just caught the little cut/no paste vanishing act here...

Re: DIS: Second draft of fees

2010-01-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010, Sean Hunt wrote: > A thought: Because all ergs are destroyed each week, it makes no sense for > the > PSM to have to publish a report once a week. I was thinking it was useful to publish a list of spending (e.g. actions performed in the prior week). But maybe that's not hu

Re: DIS: Second draft of fees

2010-01-12 Thread Sean Hunt
On 01/12/2010 11:06 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: Create the following rule, Energy, power-2: Ergs are a class of fixed assets and a measure of each Player's energy; to increase or decrease an entity's energy is to change the number of ergs in eir possession. Ownership of Ergs is

DIS: Second draft of fees

2010-01-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
Proto: new system v0.2 [Keeps major arcana, puts in basic fee-based system] [Took all the wording/bug fix suggestions. Under the principle of "minimizing amount of change in a given overhaul" (yes I learned my lesson from Cards) I've left the major arcana positions, leadership tokens, etc. as

Re: DIS: Proto-proto: Speaker once again on the top

2010-01-12 Thread Sean Hunt
On 01/12/2010 04:17 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: Kremlin You, sir, win a cookie. /me prepares for the Winning Condition of Waving -coppro

Re: DIS: Proto-proto: Speaker once again on the top

2010-01-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010, Sean Hunt wrote: > - The requirement on the entire Government being Champions is pretty > lame. Perhaps one or two positions should be held exclusively by > non-Champions. I like all these ideas in general I'll just comment here: I think the idea of a "list" ranking (and mov

DIS: Proto-proto: Speaker once again on the top

2010-01-12 Thread Sean Hunt
I'd like to propose some reform whereby we put the Speaker once again at the forefront of Agoran affairs. I'd like to get a general idea of what might happen before I get into legislation (also, that two or three other major reforms may attempt to happen at the same time, and that would be Bad). H

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No cards, fees proto

2010-01-12 Thread Sean Hunt
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I think this is too harsh and also too permissive.  Most often, this > will happen by mistake, and if pointed out within a few days, it's better > to just call it a null-op.  It's too permissive in that, if at any time > we count on high fees t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No cards, fees proto

2010-01-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010, Sean Hunt wrote: > - If a player purports to pay a fee, and e CANNOT do so only by reason of > having too few ergs, the action takes place anyways and all eir ergs > are destroyed. This is platonic. > - After it's discovered, the player gains two Resistors. This is Pragmat

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No cards, fees proto

2010-01-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010, comex wrote: > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> Hmm, I think that whole paragraph was early (the first?) self-ratification >> before self-ratification existed; just making it self-ratifying would work >> partly.   But part of this was to specify that if

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No cards, fees proto

2010-01-12 Thread Sean Hunt
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Ed Murphy wrote: > We need some type of system, as not all points of confusion are > settled via discussion leading to mutual agreement.  Outsourcing > it to a contract could be interesting, though... > Also, this gave me an idea about the fees' self-ratifications

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No cards, fees proto

2010-01-12 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Ed Murphy wrote: >> Self-ratification goes back at least as far as Rule 352: >> >> http://agora.qoid.us/rule/352 >> >> Not less than once a week, the Speaker shall post the current >> scores of all Players to the mailing lists, making hi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No cards, fees proto

2010-01-12 Thread Sean Hunt
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Ed Murphy wrote: > coppro wrote: > >> On 01/11/2010 05:34 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: Also, I think I'll tackle judicial reform this week. That section of the rules is a mess. >>> >>> What do you have in mind?  I may as well get a head start pondering >>> possib

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No cards, fees proto

2010-01-12 Thread comex
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Hmm, I think that whole paragraph was early (the first?) self-ratification > before self-ratification existed; just making it self-ratifying would work > partly.   But part of this was to specify that if this happened, we at > least zeroed out

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No cards, fees proto

2010-01-12 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Ed Murphy wrote: > Self-ratification goes back at least as far as Rule 352: > > http://agora.qoid.us/rule/352 > >      Not less than once a week, the Speaker shall post the current >      scores of all Players to the mailing lists, making his best >      efforts t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No cards, fees proto

2010-01-12 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: > On 01/11/2010 05:34 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: >>> Also, I think I'll tackle judicial reform this week. That section of >>> the rules is a mess. >> >> What do you have in mind? I may as well get a head start pondering >> possible code revisions. > > No clue. I've even been playing with

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No cards, fees proto

2010-01-12 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: > Hmm, I think that whole paragraph was early (the first?) self-ratification > before self-ratification existed; Self-ratification goes back at least as far as Rule 352: http://agora.qoid.us/rule/352 Not less than once a week, the Speaker shall post the current scores of a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: No cards, fees proto

2010-01-12 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 17:13 -0700, Sean Hunt wrote: > > Title: Cabinet Secretary. > > Position: the Cabinet Secretary CAN rubberstamp an ordinary, > > non-filibustered decision in its voting period by indicating the > > decision; this decreases its quorum to 3, rules to the cont