Re: DIS: Firmer Card draft

2009-06-26 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: > On Sat, 27 Jun 2009, Paul VanKoughnett wrote: >>> On a partially-related note, all elections should include a VACANT >>> option. Or perhaps only if someone 'nominates' it? Vacant-option with 3 >>> support? >>> >>> EMPTY THRONE >>> >> Why? What if this happened to e. g. the Promotor? >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Resolving the Grand Poobah Election

2009-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Geoffrey Spear wrote: >>> I CFJ on: {{Goethe is the current Grand Poobah}} >> >> Er, I think CFJ 2610 already answered this one...  -G. > > That only considers the eligibility o

Re: DIS: Firmer Card draft

2009-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 27 Jun 2009, Paul VanKoughnett wrote: >> On a partially-related note, all elections should include a VACANT >> option. Or perhaps only if someone 'nominates' it? Vacant-option with 3 >> support? >> >> EMPTY THRONE >> > Why? What if this happened to e. g. the Promotor? > On one hand it's

Re: DIS: Firmer Card draft

2009-06-26 Thread Paul VanKoughnett
> On a partially-related note, all elections should include a VACANT > option. Or perhaps only if someone 'nominates' it? Vacant-option with 3 > support? > > EMPTY THRONE > Why? What if this happened to e. g. the Promotor?

Re: DIS: Firmer Card draft

2009-06-26 Thread Aaron Goldfein
>  Any office whose duties include being a dealer is a high-priority office. Office priority has been repealed.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Resolving the Grand Poobah Election

2009-06-26 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Geoffrey Spear wrote: >> I CFJ on: {{Goethe is the current Grand Poobah}} > > Er, I think CFJ 2610 already answered this one...  -G. That only considers the eligibility of non-first-class players and I believe there's som

Re: DIS: Firmer Card draft

2009-06-26 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Benjamin Caplan wrote: > >>> On an unrelated note, I would like to see this incorporated into more >>> offices. I think campaign speeches are a good idea and a much better >>> way to decide than "this guy messed up fewer times in the past." >> >> A good g

Re: DIS: Firmer Card draft

2009-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Benjamin Caplan wrote: >> On an unrelated note, I would like to see this incorporated into more >> offices. I think campaign speeches are a good idea and a much better >> way to decide than "this guy messed up fewer times in the past." > > A good general policy, certainly. B

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Resolving the Grand Poobah Election

2009-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > I CFJ on: {{Goethe is the current Grand Poobah}} Er, I think CFJ 2610 already answered this one... -G.

Re: DIS: Firmer Card draft

2009-06-26 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Paul VanKoughnett wrote: >> * if the deck's dealer is part of an Officer's duty, then, >>during an election for that office but before the last >>four days of the election's voting period, a candidate for >>that office CAN make and publish a pledge expli

Re: DIS: Firmer Card draft

2009-06-26 Thread Paul VanKoughnett
>          * if the deck's dealer is part of an Officer's duty, then, >            during an election for that office but before the last >            four days of the election's voting period, a candidate for >            that office CAN make and publish a pledge explicitly, >            clearly,

Re: DIS: Cards proto

2009-06-26 Thread Paul VanKoughnett
> While several of you may disagree, may I suggest that removing caste is a > separate-enough political issue that it deserves its own proposal? > > -G. > > > > I did, and will do so again (hopefully with bugs fixed) after the implementation of cards.

Re: DIS: Firmer Card draft

2009-06-26 Thread Alex Smith
I've edited out the bits of the proposal I think are unproblematic; here are comments on the other bits. On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 12:20 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > If a card class has a position, there is always exactly one such > instance of the class in existence, and it CANNOT be eith

Re: DIS: Cards proto

2009-06-26 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 13:26, Kerim Aydin wrote: > While several of you may disagree, may I suggest that removing caste is a > separate-enough political issue that it deserves its own proposal? > Fair enough to me. Based on what I've seen so far I'll be voting for your cards proposal even if it do

Re: DIS: Cards proto

2009-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Roger Hicks wrote: >> Goethe's proposal, but I agree with ais523cards should >> replace caste as well. I've secretly hated caste from the get-go - >> it's too limiting. I'm afraid I've always preferred a default hierarchy for voting that looks like caste; makes medium-ter

Re: DIS: Cards proto

2009-06-26 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 13:12 -0600, Roger Hicks wrote: > Also, while I agree with ais523 that there should be a maximum hand > size (to keep from having to track hundreds of cards for inactive > players) I think that hand size should be set much higher than eir > proposal suggestedpaticularly if

Re: DIS: Cards proto

2009-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Alex Smith wrote: > On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 19:35 +0100, C-walker wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Alex Smith wrote: >>> Replace the text of rule 2126 with the following, and rename it "Cards": >> >> I suggest repealing 2126 and creating a new rule in its place. >> Oth

DIS: Firmer Card draft

2009-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
As I was finishing up the proposal I see comments have come in. I'll look at them and based on ais523's comments assume I'll incorporate some of those as per discussion. Meanwhile, here's one worth looking at; note that by splitting up cards into multiple decks there may be room for a few more

Re: DIS: Cards proto

2009-06-26 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 13:09, Roger Hicks wrote: > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 12:32, Alex Smith wrote: >> On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 11:22 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> >>> Er, here's the alternate one - currently just finishing up the card >>> definitions. >>> ais523, how do you want to proceed, pick on

Re: DIS: Cards proto

2009-06-26 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 12:32, Alex Smith wrote: > On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 11:22 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> Er, here's the alternate one - currently just finishing up the card >> definitions. >> ais523, how do you want to proceed, pick one or merge? > > Probably best to pick yours, as it's more

Re: DIS: Cards proto

2009-06-26 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:35 PM, C-walker wrote: > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Alex Smith wrote: >> Replace the text of rule 2126 with the following, and rename it "Cards": > > I suggest repealing 2126 and creating a new rule in its place. > Otherwise I like it. Against; 2126 is the old VC ru

Re: DIS: Cards proto

2009-06-26 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 19:35 +0100, C-walker wrote: > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > > Replace the text of rule 2126 with the following, and rename it "Cards": > > I suggest repealing 2126 and creating a new rule in its place. > Otherwise I like it. 2126 has the highest revis

Re: DIS: Cards proto

2009-06-26 Thread C-walker
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > Replace the text of rule 2126 with the following, and rename it "Cards": I suggest repealing 2126 and creating a new rule in its place. Otherwise I like it. -- C-walker

Re: DIS: Cards proto

2009-06-26 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 11:22 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Er, here's the alternate one - currently just finishing up the card > definitions. > ais523, how do you want to proceed, pick one or merge? Probably best to pick yours, as it's more mature, and then merge in a few features of mine. In p

Re: DIS: Cards proto

2009-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
Er, here's the alternate one - currently just finishing up the card definitions. ais523, how do you want to proceed, pick one or merge? -- [Now with multiple decks!] Create the following Rule, Cards, power 2: C

DIS: Cards proto

2009-06-26 Thread Alex Smith
Comments in this proto are shown with quote marks; they won't be part of the final proposal, if we propose this one. Protoproposal (AI 2, II 3): Replace the text of rule 2126 with the following, and rename it "Cards": {{{ Cards are a class of assets, restricted to players, whose recordkeepor

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement

2009-06-26 Thread Aaron Goldfein
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Aaron Goldfein > wrote: >> Not a bad idea, but perhaps the crime should be waived if the >> submitter withdraws the proposal from the pool before it is submitted >> (in case of mistakes)? > > This could be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement

2009-06-26 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Aaron Goldfein wrote: > Not a bad idea, but perhaps the crime should be waived if the > submitter withdraws the proposal from the pool before it is submitted > (in case of mistakes)? This could be a mitigating factor in a judge finding NOT GUILTY/UNAWARE or senten

DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement

2009-06-26 Thread Aaron Goldfein
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 7:39 AM, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: >> 2614:  FALSE >> >> Such a proposal is not part of the Janitor's duties (Rule 2247), despite >> eir false claim, so it does not become Distributable upon entering the >> Proposal Pool (Rule