Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Partnershpis can't do anything anymore

2008-08-13 Thread comex
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:57 AM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > R2170 already defines "Executor" (as "the first-class person who sends > it, or who most directly and immediately causes it to be sent"). Going > back to "Grantor" and "Holder" would work. (History lesson: the rules > used t

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Partnershpis can't do anything anymore

2008-08-13 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: > On Wed, 13 Aug 2008, Ed Murphy wrote: >> Rule 2170 (Who Am I?) should probably also be amended to state that >> "X CAN act on behalf of Y" constitutes a legal fiction that Y is the >> one acting, and define some useful label for X's role in the matter. > > How about, er, "Power of

Re: DIS: Re: agora-discussion digest, Vol 1 #2921 - 12 msgs

2008-08-13 Thread Ed Murphy
cdm014 wrote: > I had posted a message indicating my intent to deregister. Assuming my > deregistering was successful, I don't know why it wouldn't be, I would > need to register again. Nothing in the archives (unless you sent it to a-d, or a backup list). Your last two messages prior to your re

DIS: Re: agora-discussion digest, Vol 1 #2921 - 12 msgs

2008-08-13 Thread Chester Mealer
I had posted a message indicating my intent to deregister. Assuming my deregistering was successful, I don't know why it wouldn't be, I would need to register again. --cdm014

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Partnershpis can't do anything anymore

2008-08-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008, Ed Murphy wrote: > Any player CAN appeal CFJ 2050 by announcement, upon which this > rule is repealed. Why not a rule that allows late appeals with a higher support number (or Agoran Consent, would need that to get this passed anyway). -Goethe

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Partnershpis can't do anything anymore

2008-08-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008, Ed Murphy wrote: > Rule 2170 (Who Am I?) should probably also be amended to state that > "X CAN act on behalf of Y" constitutes a legal fiction that Y is the > one acting, and define some useful label for X's role in the matter. How about, er, "Power of Attorney"? "Grantor",

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Partnershpis can't do anything anymore

2008-08-13 Thread Ben Caplan
On Wednesday 13 August 2008 11:03:13 pm Ed Murphy wrote: > define some useful label for X's role in the matter. "Executor"

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Partnershpis can't do anything anymore

2008-08-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008, Charles Reiss wrote: > Proposal: Overturn CFJ 2050 > {{ > comex is a co-author of this proposal. > > Set the judgment on the question of veracity in CFJ 2050 to TRUE. > Oh this is horrid and unneeded though I agree with the arguments. Just CFJ again, there's no reason a ne

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Partnershpis can't do anything anymore

2008-08-13 Thread Ed Murphy
woggle wrote: > Proposal: Overturn CFJ 2050 > {{ > comex is a co-author of this proposal. > > Set the judgment on the question of veracity in CFJ 2050 to TRUE. This isn't strictly needed. From Rule 591: The judgement of the question in an inquiry case, and the reasoning by which it

DIS: Re: BUS: 2082a

2008-08-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008, Ed Murphy wrote: > 2082a: If tusho's stated belief that "failing speech acts were not > illegal" was reasonable, then UNAWARE was appropriate and thus GUILTY > was inappropriate. I intend (with the support of fellow panelists pikhq > and Goethe) to cause the panel to judge

Re: DIS: Partnershpis can't do anything anymore

2008-08-13 Thread Quazie
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 8:14 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:45 PM, Quazie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> By CFJ 2050 doing x on behalf of another player is really just you doing x. >> >> Thus if I make a partnership vote on something, it is really me voting. >> >>

Re: DIS: Partnershpis can't do anything anymore

2008-08-13 Thread comex
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:45 PM, Quazie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > By CFJ 2050 doing x on behalf of another player is really just you doing x. > > Thus if I make a partnership vote on something, it is really me voting. > > Thus partnerships can't do anything. Umm... that is an absurd precedent.

DIS: Partnershpis can't do anything anymore

2008-08-13 Thread Quazie
By CFJ 2050 doing x on behalf of another player is really just you doing x. Thus if I make a partnership vote on something, it is really me voting. Thus partnerships can't do anything.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2132a assigned to woggle, comex, BobTHJ

2008-08-13 Thread Charles Reiss
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 19:12, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Charles Reiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I intend, with the consent of the rest of the panel, to REMAND this >>> case to Sgeo, so that e might judge the case again while thinking more >>> clearly,

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2132a assigned to woggle, comex, BobTHJ

2008-08-13 Thread comex
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Charles Reiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I intend, with the consent of the rest of the panel, to REMAND this >> case to Sgeo, so that e might judge the case again while thinking more >> clearly, and also consider the precedent of CFJ 1771. > > Appeals are support

DIS: Re: BUS: too busy

2008-08-13 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 8:01 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I nominate each of ais523, BobTHJ, comex, Goethe, Murphy, OscarMeyr, > Quazie, root, Sgeo, Taral, tusho, woggle, and Wooble for each of the > offices of Promotor and Rulekeepor. I'm going to treat this self-nomination as an accept

DIS: Re: BUS: TNP2 registers

2008-08-13 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 3:43 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 3:40 PM, root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On behalf of TNP2: TNP2 registers. > > I nominate TNP2 for Rulekeepor. This was ineffective as the nomination period for the office had ended.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I do.

2008-08-13 Thread Ed Murphy
Pavitra wrote: > On Wednesday 13 August 2008 12:38:12 pm Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, Quazie wrote: >>> [snip] >> TIATEOISIRIEIJIDISISISIRITILISIRITIPICIRICISIOIWIIILISICIEIIIFIR >> IVILIDIBISIEIUILILILISIMITIEISIRIBIHIHIHISIPIP-PIMIDIDIWINIAIWICIJIP >> IDIDICISIOICIDIDIWILICISIWIAIS

Re: DIS: Draft FLR(,v)

2008-08-13 Thread comex
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > comex wrote: >>Anyone have the script for FLR-->SLR? > Attached. Excess newline removed, and all of these should be up to date: http://cfj.qoid.us/current_flr.txt http://cfj.qoid.us/current_flr.txt,v http://cfj.qoid.us/current_s

Re: DIS: Draft FLR(,v)

2008-08-13 Thread Zefram
comex wrote: >Anyone have the script for FLR-->SLR? Attached. -zefram #!/usr/bin/perl use warnings; use strict; use IO::Handle; { my $peeked_line; sub peekline() { unless(defined $peeked_line) { local $/ = "\n"; $p

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I do.

2008-08-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008, Quazie wrote: > On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Ben Caplan > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Wednesday 13 August 2008 12:38:12 pm Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, Quazie wrote: [snip] >>> >>> TIATEOISIRIEIJIDISISISIRITILISIRITIPICIRICISIOIWIIILISICIEIIIFIR >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I do.

2008-08-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008, Quazie wrote: > On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, Quazie wrote: >>> [snip] >> >> TIATEOISIRIEIJIDISISISIRITILISIRITIPICIRICISIOIWIIILISICIEIIIFIR >> IVILIDIBISIEIUILILILISIMITIEISIRIBIHIHIHISIPIP-PIMIDIDIWINIAI

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I do.

2008-08-13 Thread Quazie
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Ben Caplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 13 August 2008 12:38:12 pm Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, Quazie wrote: >> >[snip] >> >> TIATEOISIRIEIJIDISISISIRITILISIRITIPICIRICISIOIWIIILISICIEIIIFIR >> IVILIDIBISIEIUILILILISIMITIEISIRIBIHIHIHISI

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I do.

2008-08-13 Thread Quazie
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, Quazie wrote: >>[snip] > > TIATEOISIRIEIJIDISISISIRITILISIRITIPICIRICISIOIWIIILISICIEIIIFIR > IVILIDIBISIEIUILILILISIMITIEISIRIBIHIHIHISIPIP-PIMIDIDIWINIAIWICIJIP > IDIDICISIOICIDIDIWILICISIWIAISISIIIS

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I do.

2008-08-13 Thread Ben Caplan
On Wednesday 13 August 2008 12:38:12 pm Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, Quazie wrote: > >[snip] > > TIATEOISIRIEIJIDISISISIRITILISIRITIPICIRICISIOIWIIILISICIEIIIFIR > IVILIDIBISIEIUILILILISIMITIEISIRIBIHIHIHISIPIP-PIMIDIDIWINIAIWICIJIP > IDIDICISIOICIDIDIWILICISIWIAISISIIISIPILIEIBAWRISIA

DIS: Re: BUS: I do.

2008-08-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, Quazie wrote: >[snip] TIATEOISIRIEIJIDISISISIRITILISIRITIPICIRICISIOIWIIILISICIEIIIFIR IVILIDIBISIEIUILILILISIMITIEISIRIBIHIHIHISIPIP-PIMIDIDIWINIAIWICIJIP IDIDICISIOICIDIDIWILICISIWIAISISIIISIPILIEIBAWRISIATHPAFALT.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ

2008-08-13 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > he or she, surely. We don't call objects "e" do we? We have players that aren't humans and thus have no gender, and the rules do use "e" when referring to players, so yes.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I do.

2008-08-13 Thread Ed Murphy
Pavitra wrote: >> I I I lean. I sit. > Probably effective. >> I hem. i haw. I hug. > Probably effective. We have a tradition of respecting creative > paraphrases like "I lie down" for "I become supine". These two are no-ops. I'm treating them as successful. >> I inactive. > Probably effec

DIS: Re: BUS: I do.

2008-08-13 Thread Ben Caplan
On Wednesday 13 August 2008 12:03:46 am Quazie wrote: > I stand. Ineffective, you cannot generally flip your own posture to standing. > I register. Ineffective, you are already a player. > I support. i object. Ineffective, it's not clear what you're supporting/objecting to. > I I I lean. I sit.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ

2008-08-13 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/8/13 Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I believe it's 754(1) that grants them meaning, since those words have > no ordinary-language meaning. I'd say they represent either a > difference in spelling or dialect, depending on your view of whether a > language variation with a tiny number of

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ

2008-08-13 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 11:50 AM, Chester Mealer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gender Neutral pronouns(e.g eir, e, and e's) are words granted meaning and > usage under the set of rules excluding 754(4). I believe it's 754(1) that grants them meaning, since those words have no ordinary-language mean

DIS: Re: BUS: reregistering

2008-08-13 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/8/13 Chester Mealer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I resume being cdm014. If the previous statement was not a possible action, > I register or reregister under the name cdm014 choosing the action which > best communicates that I was previously an active player called cdm014 and > wish to be so again.

DIS: Re: BUS: I do.

2008-08-13 Thread ihope
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 1:03 AM, Quazie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I run. i eat. I jump. I dance. I sing. I stand. i spread. I rip. > i trip. i lie. I spin. i rotate. I taste. I present. I > contribute. I register. i concur. I support. i object. I walk. I > I I lean. I sit. I

DIS: Re: BUS: I do.

2008-08-13 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 1:03 AM, Quazie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i act? I doubt any of that was sufficiently unambiguous to cause any actions. Possibly the "I lean. I sit." which would have had no net effect anyway as you were already sitting.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2090 judged TRUE by ais523

2008-08-13 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Quazie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does this mean 2019 is now back on ais523's plate? And if so aren't > they WAY overdue for a judgement? The panel in 2019a was WAY overdue in judging. ais523 still has 6+ days to judge, since the case was just remanded to em.