Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: VCs for voting

2007-08-22 Thread Ed Murphy
Levi wrote: At the end of a proposal's voting period, each player who was the only player to cast a valid vote for a given option on it gains one Pink VC. Not totally sure this is a good idea. I'd be voting FORx1 AGAINSTx1 PRESENTx1 on all Ordinary proposals, and the higher

Re: DIS: Proto: MMI change

2007-08-22 Thread Ed Murphy
Levi wrote: Just noticed that Rule 2160 uses POSSIBLE. If it's the reverse of IMPOSSIBLE, it would be defined the same as CAN. But then, in Rule 2160, I'm not sure POSSIBLE is the right term? There was a proposal to change it to LEGAL, whereupon it was pointed out that many actions are LEGAL

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: VCs for voting

2007-08-22 Thread Levi Stephen
Ed Murphy wrote: Proto-Proposal: VCs for voting (AI = 2, please) Amend Rule 2126 (Voting Credits) by inserting this text at some appropriate point: At the end of a proposal's voting period, each player who was the only player to cast a valid vote for a given option on it gain

Re: DIS: Proto: MMI change

2007-08-22 Thread Levi Stephen
Levi Stephen wrote: Yes, good. My "clarify MMI" proposal had: * MAY : it is PERMITTED for to . * PERMITTED, LEGAL: it is not MANDATORY to not perform the action. * MANDATORY, REQUIRED: there is an obligation to perform the action. -zefram Just notic

Re: DIS: Proto: MMI change

2007-08-22 Thread Levi Stephen
Yes, good. My "clarify MMI" proposal had: * MAY : it is PERMITTED for to . * PERMITTED, LEGAL: it is not MANDATORY to not perform the action. * MANDATORY, REQUIRED: there is an obligation to perform the action. -zefram I sumbitted a proposal with the r

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Ministers Without Portfolio

2007-08-22 Thread Roger Hicks
On 8/22/07, Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/22/07, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm a fan of democracy. Not that it's the best form of government, > > but we have yet to find anything better. > . > > Democracy is boring. This is a game. > Hear! Hear! BobTHJ

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Ministers Without Portfolio

2007-08-22 Thread Taral
On 8/22/07, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm a fan of democracy. Not that it's the best form of government, > but we have yet to find anything better. And those who insist on continuous democracy prevent us finding anything better. > I'd be happy to have VLOP constant, but I fear that it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJs 1724-1725: Lets tidy up

2007-08-22 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: (I think there is CFJ evidence that Jon is a person already) CFJ 1700. Murphy wants to appeal it. Not because I doubt the outcome, but because Judge Wooble didn't so much as ask for Jon to send a message from eir own e-mail address.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Ministers Without Portfolio

2007-08-22 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: And what reason was that, then? Having a default officeholder makes officeholding indeterminate when we're not sure who the default officeholder is. It spreads uncertainty regarding the game state. We ran into this recently regarding the CotC, when resolving C

DIS: proto: truthfulness in registration

2007-08-22 Thread Zefram
proto-proposal: truthfulness in registration AI: 1 {{{ Amend rule 869 by appending to the paragraph that describes how to register the sentence Any entity that CANNOT register MUST NOT make such an announcement. [This adds a R2149-like requirement for truthfulness in purported regis

DIS: proto: empty throne

2007-08-22 Thread Zefram
proto-proposal: empty throne AI: 3 {{{ Retitle rule 103 to "Empty Throne" and amend it to read The office of speaker is permanently vacant. There is no obligation to attempt to fill it. [This is the ultimate development of the speaker as non-executive head of state. The speaker's

Re: DIS: Proto: MMI change

2007-08-22 Thread Zefram
Levi Stephen wrote: >Sorry, should have said worded, rather than defined. It's good that they >are equivalent ;) OK. I agree with you that the latter is a superior wording, because it's more general when considering non-rule entities: I think a contract, for example, should be able to use the MM

Re: DIS: Proto: MMI change

2007-08-22 Thread Levi Stephen
Zefram wrote: Levi Stephen wrote: MAY: Performing the described action does not violate the rule in question But, MAY is probably better defined along the lines of MAY: Performing the described action is permitted These two definitions appear equivalent to me. That's what

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJs 1724-1725: Lets tidy up

2007-08-22 Thread Zefram
Peekee wrote: >There is probably a case from previous CFJs that multiple people can >act as one player. There was one case very early on where two humans (well, human as far as we know) acted cooperatively as a single player. There were no strict definitions in place at the time. Today we woul

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Ministers Without Portfolio

2007-08-22 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: >And what reason was that, then? Having a default officeholder makes officeholding indeterminate when we're not sure who the default officeholder is. It spreads uncertainty regarding the game state. We ran into this recently regarding the CotC, when resolving CFJ 1684a, where we

Re: DIS: Proto: MMI change

2007-08-22 Thread Zefram
Levi Stephen wrote: >MAY: Performing the described action does not violate the rule in >question > >But, MAY is probably better defined along the lines of > >MAY: Performing the described action is permitted These two definitions appear equivalent to me. That's what "permitted" means

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2007-08-22 Thread Zefram
Levi Stephen wrote: > The Registrar's report shall include the following: >with: > The Registrar's report SHOULD include the following: Wrong interpretation of "shall". In this case "shall include" should be translated to "includes". See rule 2143. -zefram

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Ministers Without Portfolio

2007-08-22 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: a) Default Officeholder. We repealed this for a good reason. And what reason was that, then? b) Default Justice. This is a better way to handle a default justice than what we had before. Why? c) Wielder of Veto. Undemocratic. S