Re: [agi] The Cognitive Singularity Theorem (CST)

2025-03-06 Thread John Rose
On Monday, March 03, 2025, at 1:13 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > A quantum computation has 3 steps. 1. Set n qubits to a superposition of 2^n states, each represented by a vector of n complex components, such that the sum of the squares of the magnitudes of the components add up to 1. This means you ha

Re: [agi] The Cognitive Singularity Theorem (CST)

2025-03-03 Thread Matt Mahoney
On Mon, Mar 3, 2025 at 4:26 AM John Rose wrote: > > On Tuesday, February 25, 2025, at 2:11 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > > printf("I am conscious."); // Is this a lie? > > > printf("I am conscious.") alone is p-zombie code. > > You need perhaps a qcprintf("I am conscious.") where qcprintf does a print

Re: [agi] The Cognitive Singularity Theorem (CST)

2025-03-03 Thread John Rose
On Tuesday, February 25, 2025, at 2:11 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > printf("I am conscious."); // Is this a lie? printf("I am conscious.") alone is p-zombie code. You need perhaps a qcprintf("I am conscious.") where qcprintf does a printf transition from quantum to classical. Then what would the as

Re: [agi] The Cognitive Singularity Theorem (CST)

2025-02-25 Thread Matt Mahoney
Philosophy is arguing about the meanings of words. We can define "consciousness" as something we can observe or can't observe, but not both. If we try anyway, we have a philosophical zombie, exactly like a human by any possible test, except different. I asked ChatGPT and DeepSeek if they have cons

Re: [agi] The Cognitive Singularity Theorem (CST)

2025-02-25 Thread John Rose
On Monday, February 24, 2025, at 7:42 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > A zombie is exactly like a human by every possible test, and only differs in > that it lacks qualia and phenomenal consciousness The qualia are in the beables of the de Broglie-Bohm interpretation or basically particle configuration

Re: [agi] The Cognitive Singularity Theorem (CST)

2025-02-24 Thread Matt Mahoney
On Mon, Feb 24, 2025, 3:25 PM John Rose wrote: > On Saturday, February 22, 2025, at 5:49 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > > We have LLMs that pass the Turing test. That means you can't tell whether > you are talking to a person or a machine. There is no definition or test of > consciousness you can give

Re: [agi] The Cognitive Singularity Theorem (CST)

2025-02-24 Thread John Rose
On Saturday, February 22, 2025, at 5:49 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > We have LLMs that pass the Turing test. That means you can't tell whether you > are talking to a person or a machine. There is no definition or test of > consciousness you can give me that doesn't either make both of them conscious

Re: [agi] The Cognitive Singularity Theorem (CST)

2025-02-23 Thread John Rose
On Sunday, February 23, 2025, at 10:11 AM, James Bowery wrote: > If, for example, quantum solvers can break the bitcoin blockchain, it can > only mean that an update of some kind has taken place that depends on the > quantum solver.  Nor does the human mind have to be either classical or > quant

Re: [agi] The Cognitive Singularity Theorem (CST)

2025-02-23 Thread James Bowery
On Sat, Feb 22, 2025 at 4:49 PM Matt Mahoney wrote: > The brain is not a quantum computer. We know this because it updates > memory, which is not a unitary operation, which means that you can't > reverse the operation to return to a past state. > If, for example, quantum solvers can break the b

Re: [agi] The Cognitive Singularity Theorem (CST)

2025-02-23 Thread John Rose
SECQAI is launching a QLLM though it may still be in simulation phase but there are more in the works: https://quantumzeitgeist.com/quantum-ai-model-launched-by-secqai-puts-quantum-llms-on-the-map/ -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: ht

Re: [agi] The Cognitive Singularity Theorem (CST)

2025-02-23 Thread John Rose
On Sunday, February 23, 2025, at 1:14 AM, Keyvan M. Sadeghi wrote: > Useful training data, the kind that gives rise to intelligent behavior, is > still confined to the physical world, unless we develop tech to harvest it > from within computers. Quantum computing is interesting for that reason.

Re: [agi] The Cognitive Singularity Theorem (CST)

2025-02-22 Thread Keyvan M. Sadeghi
The idea that we're merely flash drives passing information to the next generation seems consistent with our history. There's also evidence suggesting we're all fake and that superposition is real. Can we build AGI without an underlying quantum mechanism? Seems very likely. It's also probable that

Re: [agi] The Cognitive Singularity Theorem (CST)

2025-02-22 Thread John Rose
On Saturday, February 22, 2025, at 5:49 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > Anyone who has made actual progress toward AGI knows the question is > meaningless. Why bother with consciousness when all you need is text > prediction? This is simply not true. There are a growing number of contributing AGI res

Re: [agi] The Cognitive Singularity Theorem (CST)

2025-02-22 Thread Matt Mahoney
The quantum woo theorem: Consciousness is mysterious. Quantum mechanics is mysterious. Therefore consciousness is quantum. No it's not. The brain is not a quantum computer. We know this because it updates memory, which is not a unitary operation, which means that you can't reverse the operation to

Re: [agi] The Cognitive Singularity Theorem (CST)

2025-02-21 Thread John Rose
On Wednesday, February 19, 2025, at 11:26 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > How do you study what you can't even define? Exactly what test are you using > to distinguish a conscious human from a zombie LLM passing the Turing test by > using nothing more than text prediction? Doesn't this prove there is n

Re: [agi] The Cognitive Singularity Theorem (CST)

2025-02-20 Thread Matt Mahoney
On Thu, Feb 20, 2025, 12:13 AM Keyvan M. Sadeghi wrote: > On Wed, Feb 19, 2025, 11:26 PM Matt Mahoney > wrote: > >> >> Exactly what test are you using to distinguish a conscious human from a >> zombie LLM passing the Turing test by using nothing more than text >> prediction? >> > > Isn't it so c

Re: [agi] The Cognitive Singularity Theorem (CST)

2025-02-19 Thread Keyvan M. Sadeghi
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025, 11:26 PM Matt Mahoney wrote: > > Exactly what test are you using to distinguish a conscious human from a > zombie LLM passing the Turing test by using nothing more than text > prediction? > Isn't it so cool that "Artificial" Intelligence is free to carve its own path to con

Re: [agi] The Cognitive Singularity Theorem (CST)

2025-02-19 Thread Matt Mahoney
On Wed, Feb 19, 2025, 4:37 PM John Rose wrote: > On Wednesday, February 19, 2025, at 1:42 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > > Space, time, and matter are not fundamental. Physics tells us what we > observe, not what is. The key property of an observer is not consciousness, > but simply memory. Writing to

Re: [agi] The Cognitive Singularity Theorem (CST)

2025-02-19 Thread John Rose
On Wednesday, February 19, 2025, at 1:42 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > Space, time, and matter are not fundamental. Physics tells us what we > observe, not what is. The key property of an observer is not consciousness, > but simply memory. Writing to memory is not time symmetric because the prior >

Re: [agi] The Cognitive Singularity Theorem (CST)

2025-02-19 Thread Keyvan M. Sadeghi
wrote: > The key property of an observer is not consciousness, but simply memory. > Writing to memory is not time symmetric because the prior content is erased > irreversibly. This is why time seems to us to have a direction. The > difference between past and future is what you know. > 👏 This

Re: [agi] The Cognitive Singularity Theorem (CST)

2025-02-19 Thread Matt Mahoney
On Mon, Feb 17, 2025, 5:50 PM Keyvan M. Sadeghi wrote: Also planck time, can't go smaller than that on this side of space-time, > right? > Time is not discrete even at the Planck level as far as we know. The universe wrote 10^90 bits over its lifetime of 10^60 Planck time units. We don't have a

Re: [agi] The Cognitive Singularity Theorem (CST)

2025-02-17 Thread Keyvan M. Sadeghi
> tells me that perception of time is measured in bits per second. > Correct. The keyword is "perception". We only perceive time because we have a beating heart. We won't exit time through some fictional miracle but through non-biological skins that will become an option. Since the learning rate

Re: [agi] The Cognitive Singularity Theorem (CST)

2025-02-17 Thread Matt Mahoney
Your equation "life = meaning/time" tells me that perception of time is measured in bits per second. Since the learning rate goes to infinity at a singularity, that tells me that a singularity seems infinitely far into the future. There is no "after" a singularity. But I don't believe there will b

[agi] The Cognitive Singularity Theorem (CST)

2025-02-12 Thread Keyvan M. Sadeghi
Pertinent to: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T9f5825d9ca7f533b-M0eabfc38c1165829e4fa11e2 https://github.com/keyvan-m-sadeghi/about-time The Cognitive Singularity Theorem (CST): A Compressed Reality Shift In About Time, Keyvan M. Sadeghi introduces what we can call the Cognitive Singularity