[AFMUG] DC surge supression

For those of you running DC up the tower, what are you using for surge suppression at the top and bottom? I have seen these mentioned previously on this list: https://www.winncom.com/en/products/1101-626 Anything else I should be looking at? Thanks, Josh -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com htt

Re: [AFMUG] DC surge supression

I was talking to Ken Ruppel w/ Aviat about this just last week, we are going to utilize the one they recommended for top of tower: https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=1101-1110 I may consider the din rail one for in the box. Joe On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 9:05 AM Josh Baird wrote: > For

Re: [AFMUG] Alibaba LiFePO4 48V 200Ah battery packs?

Not an answer to your question but FWIW I got some 12V/100AH batteries from Meritsun to use in a golf cart and those have worked very well so far. These are wired in series to do 48V that the golf cart needs. From: AF on behalf of TJ Trout Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Date: Sat

Re: [AFMUG] DC surge supression

https://www.mccowntech.com/product/outdoor-tower-wall-mount-combination-4-dc-and-gige-4-circuit-ethernet-surge-protector/ From: Josh Baird Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 8:04 AM To: AFMUG Subject: [AFMUG] DC surge supression For those of you running DC up the tower, what are you using for surge

Re: [AFMUG] DC surge supression

In my last adventure we installed DC up the tower to 50 or 60 devices using the $40 Cambium 200SSH.  I don't know much about the device, but after several years of lightning seasons nothing had exploded.  That device was actually chosen due to a physical space restriction and not because it was

Re: [AFMUG] DC surge supression

.but the lightning probably doesn't care. On 6/15/2020 10:58 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: You won't get fired for buying the Transtector -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] DC surge supression

Is transtector thinner than this? https://www.mccowntech.com/product/dc-surge-suppressor/ If you get fired for using one of my devices I will write you a letter of recommendation... From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 8:58 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC surge supres

Re: [AFMUG] DC surge supression

For 48VDC I would actually prefer to see MOVs rather than (or in addition to) silicon avalanche diodes. You’d never put an MOV across an Ethernet data line, but this is power, and MOVs can take a punch. Purewave used to recommend a device I think the model number was PP1, I don’t know who m

Re: [AFMUG] DC surge supression

No, but the Cambium one was like 1/2" thinner.  That was the difference between the door closing or not. Sorry, I tried. On 6/15/2020 11:10 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Is transtector thinner than this? https://www.mccowntech.com/product/dc-surge-suppressor/ If you get fired for using one of my

Re: [AFMUG] DC surge supression

SS with a PP in the part number and a green LED sounds very familiar.  Was it "green when power on and load connected" and "red when power on but load open"? On 6/15/2020 11:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: For 48VDC I would actually prefer to see MOVs rather than (or in addition to) silicon avalan

Re: [AFMUG] DC surge supression

MOVs are slow. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 9:12 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC surge supression For 48VDC I would actually prefer to see MOVs rather than (or in addition to) silicon avalanche diodes. You’d never put an MOV across an Ethern

Re: [AFMUG] DC surge supression

Not that smart. I think it was red when it had power and off when it didn’t. Maybe it was green, I forget. BTW, I have seen some Raycap outdoor units up on towers for fiber+DC cellular installations. Looks like they use some humongous MOVs plus GDTs. From: AF On Behalf Of Adam Moffett

[AFMUG] R2AC‑Prism as WiFi AP?

In the older AirMax stuff you could turn off AirMax and just use them as a WiFi AP.  Can you do that with the Prism AC as well? I'd like to put a big sector antenna on a 2.4ghz WiFi AP, but the current UniFi line doesn't seem to have that option. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af

Re: [AFMUG] R2AC‑Prism as WiFi AP?

I guess this is a moot point.  I didn't realize the UniFi "Mesh" units were for outdoor.perhaps I glossed over them because I have an aversion to the word "mesh". On 6/15/2020 11:59 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: In the older AirMax stuff you could turn off AirMax and just use them as a WiFi AP.

Re: [AFMUG] R2AC‑Prism as WiFi AP?

At any rate, no, you can't turn Airmax off on the AC stuff. On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 11:10 AM Adam Moffett wrote: > I guess this is a moot point. I didn't realize the UniFi "Mesh" units > were for outdoor.perhaps I glossed over them because I have an > aversion to the word "mesh". > > > On 6

Re: [AFMUG] OT: How to skip ads on Youtube

many of the ad driven free streaming sites, if you just click to the end of the video, youll watch a single ad then go back to the beginning and the ad breaks are marked as watched. i dont know how many ads i ever see in youtube, i think its just the 5-15 second at the beginning On Fri, Jun 12, 20

Re: [AFMUG] OT found it

this is one of the songs on spotify if you search statler brothers and let it play through til it starts picking other songs, less jazzy glenn campbell version like jaime refers too. I dont think glen campbell ever made a crummy song. damn kids today and their noise boxes just dont know what good

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 538 (approx)

That explains what this whole CHAZ thing is, they wanted first chance at some space x bandwidth. Im not a fan of star link, i think its going to cause some major debris field issues in space for future generations. But nobody can argue with the fact that it is really cool that a guy like musk exis

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Huevos Rancheros

know what would be tasty on that jaime? some tasty spicy rice vinegar On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 10:50 AM Jaime Solorza wrote: > My wife made these for herself.. > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com htt

Re: [AFMUG] OT found it

OMG, did the old age truck just hit Steve? From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 11:44 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT found it this is one of the songs on spotify if you search statler brothers and let it play through til it s

Re: [AFMUG] DC surge supression

Chuck, You want this adam guy has an accident, maybe he trips and falls, lands on a cambium SS a couple times, maybe it happens by his towe, may that tower has a weak leg and falls on him? maybe somebody forgets some gas cans in his living room, maybe a racoon with a pack a day smoking habit shows

Re: [AFMUG] DC surge supression

Damn, Illinois WISPs are hard core. On 6/15/2020 12:58 PM, Steve Jones wrote: Chuck, You want this adam guy has an accident, maybe he trips and falls, lands on a cambium SS a couple times, maybe it happens by his towe, may that tower has a weak leg and falls on him? maybe somebody forgets som

Re: [AFMUG] DC surge supression

I hear mccown tech stuff keeps away racoons with smoking habits. On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 12:05 PM Adam Moffett wrote: > Damn, Illinois WISPs are hard core. > > > On 6/15/2020 12:58 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > > Chuck, You want this adam guy has an accident, maybe he trips and falls, > lands on a ca

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 538 (approx)

WRT orbiting debris; it's all good until the first "accident". Then we will see how this all shakes out. If it's bad enough, it could cause SpaceX (and all its brethren) to relinquish all the orbital space unless/until they provide a mitigation plan. To some exten

Re: [AFMUG] DC surge supression

That's what I call brand loyalty! On 06/15/2020 10:15 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: I hear mccown tech stuff keeps away racoons with smoking habits. On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 12:05 PM Adam Moffett > wrote: Damn, Illinois WISPs are hard core. On 6/15/2020 12:58 P

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 538 (approx)

Theoretically a Ubiquiti Nanostation was carrier grade and would do 150Mbps.  It said so on the datasheet. Just saying maybe the small, cheap satellite will work exactly as intended and maybe it'll have a firmware crash during a sunspot and just become a piece of high velocity garbage.  Even a

[AFMUG] Favorite DC wire c/o type

Looking for what type of wire you are using for DC sites? Telco grade DC wire or dlo types? What y'all like? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 538 (approx)

Each of those sats has > 60 Linux processors on board. That's a lot of "nodes" to deal with, and way more than a single firmware load. I'm sure the number is some level of built-in redundancy, but that level of detail is current;y lacking, and is probably propriet

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite DC wire c/o type

Inner-enclosure wire or wire to run up the tower? On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 1:46 PM TJ Trout wrote: > Looking for what type of wire you are using for DC sites? Telco grade DC > wire or dlo types? > > What y'all like? > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/a

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 538 (approx)

they already had a near miss once. I cant image if a shuttle hit one of these, the debris spread we would see On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 12:36 PM Adam Moffett wrote: > Theoretically a Ubiquiti Nanostation was carrier grade and would do > 150Mbps. It said so on the datasheet. > > Just saying maybe

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite DC wire c/o type

Inside the shelter/noc wire On Mon, Jun 15, 2020, 10:48 AM Josh Baird wrote: > Inner-enclosure wire or wire to run up the tower? > > On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 1:46 PM TJ Trout wrote: > >> Looking for what type of wire you are using for DC sites? Telco grade DC >> wire or dlo types? >> >> What y'a

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 538 (approx)

Shuttles stopped flying in 2011. bp On 6/15/2020 10:48 AM, Steve Jones wrote: they already had a near miss once. I cant image if a shuttle hit one of these, the debris spread we would see

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite DC wire c/o type

Red & black zip cord for power.  Whatever's cheapest. For controls I'll get 18ga in just about any color /except/ red and black. What's "telco grade" DC wire?  Is it personally inspected by the ghost of Alexander Graham Bell? On 6/15/2020 1:45 PM, TJ Trout wrote: Looking for what type of wir

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 538 (approx)

with a ~500km altitude, they deorbit naturally after ~10years from drag. On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 12:36 PM Adam Moffett wrote: > Theoretically a Ubiquiti Nanostation was carrier grade and would do > 150Mbps. It said so on the datasheet. > > Just saying maybe the small, cheap satellite will work

[AFMUG] OT: The number of intelligent alien civilizations.

and all this time, I thought the number was 42. https://www.yahoo.com/news/intelligent-alien-civilisations-could-number-152319456.html -- bp -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] DC surge supression

Yeah, they “work in the city”... From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 11:05 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC surge supression Damn, Illinois WISPs are hard core. On 6/15/2020 12:58 PM, Steve Jones wrote: Chuck, You want this adam guy has an accident, maybe he trips

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite DC wire c/o type

On 6/15/20 10:51 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: What's "telco grade" DC wire?  Is it personally inspected by the ghost of Alexander Graham Bell? I would assume telcoflex wire. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite DC wire c/o type

I just use stranded thhn wire. It is indoor. I prefer solid but for DC the terminals seem to cinch down better on stranded. Solid will work itself loose it seems in almost any kind of connector except wirenuts. -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 12:23

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 538 (approx)

you can call it a rocket, pickle hammer space boat, whatever. anything with some folks inside will always answer as a shuttle On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 12:51 PM Bill Prince wrote: > Shuttles stopped flying in 2011. > > > bp > > > > On 6/15/2020 10:48 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > > they already had a

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite DC wire c/o type

I use red black zip cord as well, but I noticed that carriers, telco's etc use a much higher quality wire with more abrasion resistance, just all around better quality. 'central office' type wire has a cotton saturated jacket. I've seen DLO (diesel locomotive) wire used, which is even a step abov

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 538 (approx)

& I believe debris at that altitude deorbits even faster.. On 06/15/2020 10:51 AM, castarritt . wrote: with a ~500km altitude, they deorbit naturally after ~10years from drag. On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 12:36 PM Adam Moffett > wrote: Theoretically a Ubiquiti Nanos

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite DC wire c/o type

Solid works well in WAGO connectors. I wish there were a similar connector for connecting to devices. On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 1:27 PM wrote: > I just use stranded thhn wire. It is indoor. I prefer solid but for DC > the > terminals seem to cinch down better on stranded. Solid will work itself

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 538 (approx)

SpaceX states that at the current service altitude, the satellites will be-orbit in ~~ 5 years. That's one of the reasons they went with the lower service altitude. The original was up substantially; perhaps where the 10 year number came from. bp On 6/15/2020 11:44 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite DC wire c/o type

I just ordered some of this yesterday for that use: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07D3N6722/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 I just use red/black zip most of the time.. either 16AWG or 12AWG depending on the usage. Avoid CCA. On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 1:51 PM TJ Trout wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 538 (approx)

A generic calculation for a 500km orbit gives you around 10 years. The design of the starlink satellite is somewhat optimized for this in that when it is controllable it presents a knife edge to atmospheric drag but uncontrolled it will slowly start to tumble and degrade much faster. ~5 years at

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite DC wire c/o type

I have usually ordered red/black zip cord from Powerwerx, but your stuff looks nicer. For short runs outdoors, like from a NEMA box to a Cambium PTP820 outdoor POE, I have used landscape cable from Home Depot. The expert on wiring inside enclosures would probably be Jamie. In any case

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 538 (approx)

So was my thoughts about debris correct. If it becomes a shitshow does it clear itself out in 5 years? On 06/15/2020 12:13 PM, Carl Peterson wrote: A generic calculation for a 500km orbit gives you around 10 years. The design of the starlink satellite is somewhat optimized for this in that w

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite DC wire c/o type

Ferrule-ize everything! On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 3:34 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > I have usually ordered red/black zip cord from Powerwerx, but your stuff > looks nicer. > > > > For short runs outdoors, like from a NEMA box to a Cambium PTP820 outdoor > POE, I have used landscape cable from Home Depot

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun, kinda lenty

That's a good analogy.. The tribes are about as fair as protesters... On 06/15/2020 12:23 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Maybe they should check with tribal nations to see how semi independence is working out. Hey, things are never so bad they couldn’t be worse. *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffe

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 538 (approx)

When things collide they will go many different directions and velocities, there is no calculation for when that will be cleared, or even where the debris even is On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 2:36 PM Robert Andrews wrote: > So was my thoughts about debris correct. If it becomes a shitshow does > it

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Huevos Rancheros

Lol On Mon, Jun 15, 2020, 10:49 AM Steve Jones wrote: > know what would be tasty on that jaime? some tasty spicy rice vinegar > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 10:50 AM Jaime Solorza > wrote: > >> My wife made these for herself.. >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mail

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 538 (approx)

A low orbit bird isn't going to get smacked from behind, so it would be reasonable to assume that the vast majority if not all of the debris will lose velocity instead of gaining it. Also, small chunks of satellite should have a lower ballistic coefficient than an intact satellite (mass reduced by

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 538 (approx)

Combine with the probability that collisions are going to be with birds with 90-180 degree relative vectors. Sats going in the same relative direction should "never" collide (he says optimistically). That means the combined velocities are going to go down pretty q

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite DC wire c/o type

I almost always buy from PowerWerx just to avoid the 'fake copper' issue where you never know if the Amazon sellers are actually selling copper wire, or CCA they're passing off as copper.. On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 1:34 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > I have usually ordered red/black zip cord from Powerwer

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 538 (approx)

I suppose the most interesting failure mode would be a vulnerability that allows a hacker to make all the birds maneuver and crash into each other. On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 3:46 PM Bill Prince wrote: > Combine with the probability that collisions are going to be with birds > with 90-180 degree re

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 538 (approx)

Even better, make them use up all their fuel boosting into a more stable orbit where they can crank the transmitters up to eleven and shit out maximum noise for the next hundred years. Now that I think about it, a constellation of 10k "starlink" birds that just by pure coincidence happen to have D

[AFMUG] Ok which one of you cut the fiber backbone?

Cellular outages all over the place... Chuck? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Fiber

I walked through the ovens at Auschwitz and Birkenau a couple years ago, it was totally silent, no one spoke, we couldn’t find the words. Hardest place I’ve ever been. Pure evil. Define that how you will. > On Jun 12, 2020, at 12:03 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > We watched a movie called “Nigh

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun, kinda lenty

CHAZ apparently turned to CHOP earlier today. Was too lazy to read (or even watch) what that actually meant. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 2:36 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun, kinda lenty That's a good analo

[AFMUG] OT: batcrazy

is it just the 'news' that I'm reading or are things really going totally bathshitcrazy ?!? "de-fund the police" is just ONE thing. --- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun, kinda lenty

damnit, now i gotta get my tattoo changed On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 5:55 PM James Howard wrote: > CHAZ apparently turned to CHOP earlier today. Was too lazy to read (or > even watch) what that actually meant. > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert Andrews > *Sen

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 538 (approx)

Can you imagine the awesome shit some script kiddie could spell out with 10k dots in the sky On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 3:51 PM castarritt . wrote: > I suppose the most interesting failure mode would be a vulnerability that > allows a hacker to make all the birds maneuver and crash into each other.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: batcrazy

For many people, that seems to mean stop funding the police to deal with issues like mental health, homelessness, domestic disputes, street vendors, routine discipline in schools, etc., and instead use that money to fund specialists, and let the police handle murders and robberies and stuff.

Re: [AFMUG] Ok which one of you cut the fiber backbone?

Supposed to be a DDoS attack going on. On 6/15/20 3:25 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: Cellular outages all over the place... Chuck? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Ok which one of you cut the fiber backbone?

Is it this? https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/15/21292024/t-mobile-verizon-att-calls-failing-down-phone-networks-us-carriers From: AF On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 7:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ok which one of you cut the fiber backbone? Supposed to b

Re: [AFMUG] Ok which one of you cut the fiber backbone?

if you think it's ddos you might need to get off of facebook :) On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 5:52 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Is it this? > > > https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/15/21292024/t-mobile-verizon-att-calls-failing-down-phone-networks-us-carriers > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Robert > *Se

Re: [AFMUG] Ok which one of you cut the fiber backbone?

 dont you all think whats happening with protesting maybe thats what the issue is at? because I am in rural ohio not having one bit of issues at all with verizon -Original Message- From: "TJ Trout" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Date: 06/15/20 08:55 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ok

Re: [AFMUG] Ok which one of you cut the fiber backbone?

So it’s conspiracy theorists setting fire to 5G towers? From: AF On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 8:02 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ok which one of you cut the fiber backbone? dont you all think whats happening with protesting mayb

Re: [AFMUG] Ok which one of you cut the fiber backbone?

Well I just called my sprint phone from the verizon phone and then called the verizon phone from the sprint phone and no worries... On 6/15/20 6:35 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: So it’s conspiracy theorists setting fire to 5G towers? *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Tim Reichhart *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2

Re: [AFMUG] Ok which one of you cut the fiber backbone?

Not saying it's Aliens but it's Aliens On Mon, Jun 15, 2020, 7:51 PM Robert wrote: > Well I just called my sprint phone from the verizon phone and then called > the verizon phone from the sprint phone and no worries... > > On 6/15/20 6:35 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > So it’s conspiracy theorists se

Re: [AFMUG] OT: batcrazy

Look up the city of Sunnyvale, California. They abolished their police department in 1950 and created what they call a public safety department. They still have patrol cars, but the officers do triple duty as police, firefighters, and EMT. They did this in 1950, s

Re: [AFMUG] OT: batcrazy

the problem is the defund the police folks dont understand economics. there isnt enough money as it is for maintaining the police presence for the criminal side of things. taking that money and paying for a bunch of counsellors doesnt lead to having enough cops. Removing police from schools is a 1

Re: [AFMUG] OT: batcrazy

I think one of the things they want to do is de-militarize the police. Local podunk PDs have no business buying million dollar MRAPs. bp On 6/15/2020 7:29 PM, Steve Jones wrote: the problem is the defund the police folks dont

Re: [AFMUG] OT: batcrazy

you ever seen a podunk meth dealers arsenal? On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 9:33 PM Bill Prince wrote: > I think one of the things they want to do is de-militarize the police. > Local podunk PDs have no business buying million dollar MRAPs. > > > bp > > > > On 6/15/2020 7:29 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > >

Re: [AFMUG] OT: batcrazy

Not around here. That must be an Illinois thing. I left that place sometime around 1967. bp On 6/15/2020 7:42 PM, Steve Jones wrote: you ever seen a podunk meth dealers arsenal? On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 9:33

Re: [AFMUG] OT: batcrazy

They need to figure out how to teach restraint. I am for them to have the tools they need. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 15, 2020, at 8:33 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > >  > I think one of the things they want to do is de-militarize the police. Local > podunk PDs have no business buying million d

Re: [AFMUG] OT: batcrazy

When did they start having cops in schools? Never once in my K-12 days did I see a policeman in my school. I’ll have to ask my kids if they ever did. Maybe I led a privileged life. College had “campus cops” but they were kind of a joke, mostly relegated to writing parking tickets.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: batcrazy

need to bust the union, and somehow incentivise turning in dirty cops instead of making doing the right thing out to be the worst possible thing a cop can do. I never understood the thin blue line between good and evil protecting the evil side out of "brotherhood". National protocols with regional

Re: [AFMUG] OT: batcrazy

it started around here maybe 9 or 10 years ago. Bigger areas before that. Resource officers tend to be problematic officers, departments who dont have a desk job will put them in schools, thats problematic too. Teachers cant make physical contact with students anymore, so things like breaking up a

Re: [AFMUG] OT: batcrazy

I grew up in Sunnyvale  It was/is? a town that really was run by the people.   People got pissed about waiting at stop lights in traffic way back in the mid 70's and they passed a city ordinance that the lights on all major throughfares had to be synced for throughput!   It was great!  Driv

Re: [AFMUG] OT: batcrazy

But do they need to spend money on surplus Army equipment?  Do they really need to get the army's ma deuces?  Do they need 5x the number of m-16's that they have employees for?  Do they need 2.5 million rounds of ammo for the m-16's? maybe they are getting it on the cheep but it's still $$...

Re: [AFMUG] OT: batcrazy

yes. The tower in texas, the father and son bankrobbers are two of the incidents that led to that. last year in new jersey. Criminals have serious firepower. Non criminals even more. Every day there are new laws going on the books that make criminals out of more non criminals. Its no different than

Re: [AFMUG] OT: batcrazy

Not great branding when the obvious nickname is “boogers”. From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 10:46 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: batcrazy yes. The tower in texas, the father and son bankrobbers are two of the incidents that l

Re: [AFMUG] Ok which one of you cut the fiber backbone?

not sure what the outage cause is but ddos it is not, it's been debunked as many influential people (senators, etc ) were spreading misinformation, which of course is on par for social media. Just so strange to me that no one fact checks things these days before spreading misinformation. On Mon,