Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

Just confirming that this is actually two (2) dual core radios - one CCDP at 80 MHz bandwidth and the other CCDP at 40 MHz bandwidth with the two transmit frequencies separated by 60 MHz - correct? This will require couplers and associated losses on both ends (approximately 7 dB). Any attempt

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

I’m not sure details other than I verified multiple times 120Mhz of actual usage and the speed matched. Our frequency coordinator worked with them on the rest... Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Jun 4, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Tim Hardy wrote: > > Just confirming that this is actually

Re: [AFMUG] Ping Graphing

In linux, MTR works well for tracing and pinging every hop along the way and keeping the stats % per hop etc. Ideal for seeing where the loss is taking place. -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) From:

Re: [AFMUG] Switch software bug

Just before one provider was supposed to start, they sent a notice they were postponing, the other provider did the upgrade last night. On June 4, 2020 12:08:29 AM CDT, Nate Burke wrote: >We got notices late this afternoon from 2 seperate upstreams of >emergency maintenance overnight tonight fo

Re: [AFMUG] Switch software bug

Well, it's good to not have both down at the same time. One of my upstreams had a series of rolling upgrades for this week that has been postponed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "

Re: [AFMUG] Switch software bug

I'm curious to know which platform :) -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "Nate Burke" To: "af" Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 1:08:29 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Switch software bug We got notices la

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

Should be easy enough to check to ensure that you have two (2) dual core radios each transmitting a discrete frequency 60 MHz apart from one another. Anything else would lead one to believe that they actually are just using their ETSI configuration (112 MHz) within the 120 MHz block. Seems sus

[AFMUG] Cloud Hosted Mikrotik

Anyone using a cloud hosted Mikrotik router? Where and how much? We have one Mikrotik we use to terminate a number of tunnels for modem management and when its fiber got cut last time it made us think a cloud solution might be better. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailm

[AFMUG] Cat5 Stripper

We use EZ cat5 connectors and switched from single jacketed outdoor shielded cat5 too double jacketed. What is everyone using for a cat5 stripper? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Cat5 Stripper

You mean something like this? https://www.gmesupply.com/abeco-smart-strip-utp-stp-data-cable-stripper -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 9:23 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Cat5 Stripper We use EZ cat5 connectors and switched from single

Re: [AFMUG] Switch software bug

The Traffic will just move over to other upstream connections if they both would have maintenance'd at the same time. I know what equipment is at my location, which is Ciena and TelcoSystems, but I'm not sure what equipment is on the other end of the fiber. On 6/4/2020 8:42 AM, Mike Hammett

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

Does Siae have the capability of running two channels per core, like was discussed earlier on the Bridgewave and Aviat radios? On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 8:49 AM Tim Hardy wrote: > Should be easy enough to check to ensure that you have two (2) dual core > radios each transmitting a discrete frequenc

[AFMUG] Internal fiber

I am planning to run the fiber clear into the 844G router at each home. But in the past when we have done this, we have had issues with people not understanding that the fiber is a bit more delicate than cat5. Then there is the issue with the termination. You can get long jumpers and splice o

Re: [AFMUG] Cat5 Stripper

My favorite is still classic klein strippers: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-7-1-8-in-Klein-Kurve-Wire-Stripper-Cutter-for-10-18-AWG-Solid-Wire-and-12-20-AWG-Stranded-Wire-11055/100630708 My uncle swears by the classic 'electricians scissors': https://www.homedepot.com/p/Wiss-5-1-4-in

[AFMUG] OT: Thursday funny

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Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

If you need more throughput in 11ghz can't you license two separate links for 11ghz and install two separate AVIAT radios and then the radios can bond both links together? I thought that was a feature that AVIAT had. On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:21 AM Mathew Howard wrote: > Does Siae have the capab

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

I don't know what specific bonding features Aviat has, but you can technically do that with any radios... it's just a question of where and how you have to do the bonding. You are also able to do two radios on the same dish with the appropriate couplers, etc. with most 11ghz radios. On Thu, Jun 4

Re: [AFMUG] Internal fiber

I assume this is not new construction. In my limited use cases I've used armored jump cables from the outside mini-nid join box to the inside. Then loop it a couple of times, maybe behind the ONT even, secured to the wall or whatever, then just a bit is exposed to the plug. Or just went ahead an

Re: [AFMUG] Internal fiber

Armored patch cord? https://www.fs.com/products/41655.html Doesn't help if the failures happen at the connector. My other thought is the "two box" approach.  The fiber router/ONT is screwed to the wall in an out of the way place like basement or utility room, and run Cat5e to where the WiFi

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

Our ALFOPlus2 radio is true dual-carrier radio capable of up to 2x 112 MHz channels. In instances where a customer can get the FCC to license wider than 80 MHz channels (11 GHz & 18 GHz), we can unlock the modems to provide up to 112 MHz bandwidth. With 4096QAM, this yields just over 2 Gbps ful

Re: [AFMUG] Cat5 Stripper

The reason I like the ABECO Smart Strip is that you can adjust the depth of cut so it goes 80 or 90% of the way through the jacket and will never nick the wires inside or the foil shield. You might need to have a couple of them, one adjusted for UTP, one for STP, another for coax, etc., or you

Re: [AFMUG] Switch software bug

About a month ago there was a Salt advisory, and I seem to remember some Cisco products being hacked, but it sounds like more of a server vulnerability. https://www.csoonline.com/article/3541721/cloud-servers-hacked-via-critical- saltstack-vulnerabilities.html From: AF On Behalf Of Nate Bu

Re: [AFMUG] Internal fiber

I am not using ONTs in the classic sense. The 844G router is the ONT. Trying to attach as little to the outside of the house as possible. From: Sterling Jacobson Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 9:45 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Internal fiber I assume this is n

Re: [AFMUG] Internal fiber

Cheap would be the bow type flat drop - we use them with FRP steel ones are too stiff. Next option would be either 3m of 4.8mm RBR drop cables like MDC-JJ1G-0200FJ On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 10:25 AM wrote: > I am planning to run the fiber clear into the 844G router at each home. > But in the past

Re: [AFMUG] Internal fiber

Yeah, the giga point. I have considered that. Just trying to get away from CAT5 completely. One good router, in a good location, fed by fiber. At least that is my current goal. Reality may change that plan. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 9:52 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Sub

Re: [AFMUG] Internal fiber

Supposedly the realflex drop cables can be treated like cat5. We're a little more gentle then that with the 3mm ones. You can order in just about any config. i.e plenum, one end terminated, both ends terminated, pull sock on one end, etc. On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:10 AM Carl Peterson wrote: >

Re: [AFMUG] Internal fiber

Yeah, I got your meaning, I just tend to use ONT generically but I guess it becomes a CPE inside or whatever. I agree, those little grey boxes of yours make great little cross connect NID/housings. We use them all over for Ethernet RJ45 M/F junction housings. Including housing the simple BIDI LC

Re: [AFMUG] Internal fiber

Although the outside plant guys hate doing it, we do have installs just transitioning the drop cable from outside conduit to inside run all the way to the CPE. Sometimes it's not pretty because they just use the splice case to go to pig tail instead of something "fancy" like the shrink tube cove

Re: [AFMUG] Internal fiber

I like the look of the RealFlex. What I can’t figure out, maybe also part of this conversation as intended, is if you don’t use a jumper, how are CenturyLink et. al. doing that nice outside plant drop to inside patch/end splice/connection? My guys don’t seem to know how that’s done. I’m guessin

Re: [AFMUG] Internal fiber

We use one of two options Corning RuggedDrop assembly, is a 5mm 1F tight buffered cable with SC/APC on either end, outside rated in case you need to house wrap, we use this from the NID to a baseboard jack. These are $25-35 range for 50-100ft length. Fiberstore armored patch cables - 3mm with a b

Re: [AFMUG] Switch software bug

I know its increased, but ive been really surprised there havent been more exploits given the turmoil and remote workforce that is short staffed. Maybe there is but the exploits are being efficiently used so theyre not exposed. thats always been a pet peeve, exploits being wasted. Its like finding

Re: [AFMUG] Internal fiber

We are mostly doing this indoors in MDUs but on the side of the house you would terminate your OSP cable in the NID and then just plug in the realflex drop. There is an indoor/outdoor version for that. On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:21 AM Sterling Jacobson wrote: > I like the look of the RealFlex. >

Re: [AFMUG] Internal fiber

Is there enough room in them for joining fiber? I was going to do a larger box with an SC/APC coupler inside, but I have not solved the box sealing problem. From: Sterling Jacobson Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 10:14 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Internal fiber

Re: [AFMUG] Internal fiber

This does help, thanks. What do you do when you have to re terminate the Corning drop? From: Chris Fabien Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 10:22 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Internal fiber We use one of two options Corning RuggedDrop assembly, is a 5mm 1F tight b

Re: [AFMUG] Internal fiber

Their brochure shows that the inner portion of the realflex is tough enough to strip and stable by itself. From: Carl Peterson Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 10:13 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Internal fiber Supposedly the realflex drop cables can be treated lik

Re: [AFMUG] Switch software bug

I found this article interesting. Who knew, being a cybercriminal is boring and you have to deal with whiny customers. https://krebsonsecurity.com/2020/05/career-choice-tip-cybercrime-is-mostly-boring/ From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 11:34 AM To: AnimalF

Re: [AFMUG] Internal fiber

We try not to. If we have to, generally AFL Fast connectors for 3mm or sumitomo LYNX2-SCAPCSM-3.0 with a little sumitomo splicer. Not to get too far into the weeds, but we generally install stub ends - terminated end goes to our enclosure and then we splice the customer end in a wall plate. Fib

Re: [AFMUG] Internal fiber

We would typically replace the cable run although there is room in the NID and in that baseboard jack to fusion splice a pigtail in a pinch. On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 12:48 PM wrote: > This does help, thanks. What do you do when you have to re terminate the > Corning drop? > > *From:* Chris Fabie

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

And, this is exactly what I have been discussing in this thread. “In instances where a customer can get the FCC to license wider than 80 MHz channels (11 GHz & 18 GHz), we can unlock the modems to provide up to 112 MHz bandwidth.” Let’s be clear on this. The only way to “get the FCC to license

Re: [AFMUG] OT fun

Good one, Ant-Steve. All hail The Queen. And remember, there shall be no antarchy. This is about the Ant Group, right? https://www.facebook.com/groups/1416375691836223/ From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 12:07 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group S

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

That's dumb. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Tim Hardy" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 12:19:32 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 1

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

Matthew - yes we do. Thanks, Joe Schraml VP Sales Operations & Marketing SIAE Microelettronica, Inc. +1 (408) 832-4884 joseph.schr...@siaemic.com www.siaemic.com >>> Mathew Howard 6/4/2020 8:20 AM >>> Does Siae have the capability of running two channels per core, like

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

Lots of government rules are dumb... unfortunately, that doesn't mean we can ignore them... My understanding is that radios like the Bridgewave Navigator are actually able to run two distinct carriers in a single core radio, so you actually can license two adjacent channels (there can even be some

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

When operating that way, do both channels need to be the same size, or can you mix a 40mhz and an 80mhz, for example? I got the impression with the Bridgewaves that would both need to be the same size (i.e 80mhz+80mhz). On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 12:43 PM wrote: > Matthew - yes we do. > > Thanks, >

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

But Part 101 is probably the least dumb set of rules that WISPs have to deal with. It’s about the only time dealing with government regulations where I feel like I have a seat at the adult table. We should follow the rules, lest we be banished to the kids table. From: AF On Behalf Of M

Re: [AFMUG] OT fun

You know they kicked me out of that group for creating the group "A group where we all pretend to be anteaters eating a colony of ants" and luring their members over On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 12:32 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Good one, Ant-Steve. All hail The Queen. And remember, there shall be no >

Re: [AFMUG] OT fun

It's understandable... your group sounds much better! My question is, do you just pretend to eat the ants, or do you actually eat the ants and just pretend to be an anteater? On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 12:58 PM Steve Jones wrote: > You know they kicked me out of that group for creating the group "

Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

Sure. I meant to advocate changing the dumb rule as opposed to ignoring it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, June

Re: [AFMUG] OT fun

1.9 Million members, that does sound like an ant colony...!!! On 06/04/2020 10:31 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Good one, Ant-Steve. All hail The Queen. And remember, there shall be no antarchy. This is about the Ant Group, right? https://www.facebook.com/groups/1416375691836223/ *From:* AF *On B

Re: [AFMUG] OT fun

we dox them, go to their home, and cannibalize them. I suspect I may have taken this too far On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 1:03 PM Mathew Howard wrote: > It's understandable... your group sounds much better! > > My question is, do you just pretend to eat the ants, or do you actually > eat the ants and

Re: [AFMUG] OT fun

I want in. On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 1:31 PM Steve Jones wrote: > we dox them, go to their home, and cannibalize them. I suspect I may have > taken this too far > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 1:03 PM Mathew Howard wrote: > >> It's understandable... your group sounds much better! >> >> My question is,

Re: [AFMUG] Internal fiber

On my newer (passive) deployment, I've been splicing outside and then coupling that to an armored patch cable that goes indoors. Mounting the ONT/CPE/whatever you want to call it to a floor joist and using POE to power it. That way I have the advantage of having the electronics in somewhat of a c

Re: [AFMUG] Internal fiber

I have not seen a Century Link installation, but you can get a drop cable with basically a 3mm jacketed inner cable inside of it.  Then you use 3mm SOC's.  The FIS ones are called "Armordillo" and you get a brass tube that crimps over the connector and the 3mm jacket.  Then a rubber boot slides

[AFMUG] OT: UPS delay

Here's a new one: [image: image.png] 2020 is getting old really fast. -- - Forrest -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT: UPS delay

There's nothing significant happening in the Hodgkins area. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday

Re: [AFMUG] OT: UPS delay

#HodgkinsBlackout On 6/4/2020 5:30 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: There's nothing significant happening in the Hodgkins area. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [AFMUG] OT: UPS delay

..and just thought I should add I'm making a joke in reference to the fake #DCBlackout which apparently was pushed by bots on twitter and Facebook and shared by a few foolish humans. On 6/4/2020 5:37 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: #HodgkinsBlackout On 6/4/2020 5:30 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: T

Re: [AFMUG] Internal fiber

Are you guys doing connectors in the outside NID or are you splicing there? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 10:24:28

Re: [AFMUG] OT: UPS delay

I'm guessing the delay occurred in NY with the city lockdowns they've been doing. On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 3:31 PM Mike Hammett wrote: > There's nothing significant happening in the Hodgkins area. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions >

Re: [AFMUG] OT: UPS delay

If you want to see something awful, "FedEx Meat Grinder" Those deliveries were delayed - really though, might not want to watch it Theyre starting to go into unnecessary details on shipping updates. Other than maybe guaging the delay timeframe, delayed is delayed On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 4:52 PM Fo

Re: [AFMUG] OT: UPS delay

Actually it looks like it took 24 hours for the truck to move between Farmingdale, NY and Hodgkins, IL. I'm assuming that UPS decided it wasn't safe to move it so they let it sit somewhere for an extended period of time. On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 3:51 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) < li...@pack

Re: [AFMUG] OT: UPS delay

probably having to get them into access controlled lots or behind barns in the middle of BFE if theyre running along haul transport and have to take mandatory rests On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 5:00 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) < li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > Actually it looks like it took 24

Re: [AFMUG] Internal fiber

I’ll have to get some pictures of the CenturyLink installs now days and post them. My in-laws are moving into a senior community that has their On FTTH inside to their HVAC room. They are going with Comcast, lol! From: AF On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 2:00 PM To: af@a