Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

2020-02-24 Thread Mark Radabaugh
You can ignore the CMA bidding, that is not happening as it was removed in the final order. Bidding units: 39. We further propose that the amount of the upfront payment submitted by a bidder would determine its initial bidding eligibility in bidding units, which are a measure of bidder eligibi

[AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

2020-02-24 Thread Lewis Bergman
What are the current recommendations for something like this. I see Cambium has something that looks like it will work but their product selector returns no matches . Ubiquiti has the 24HD. Anything else I should be aware of? -- Lewis Bergman -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.c

Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

2020-02-24 Thread dave
Not sure which product mentioned but the PTP550 unlicensed will take all of your 5g spectrum and there is the ptp850E On 2/24/20 8:27 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: What are the current recommendations for something like this. I see Cambium has something that looks like it will work but their produc

Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

2020-02-24 Thread Mike Meluskey
SIAE 80HDX is working well for us. Up to 10Gbps full duplex. On 24 Feb 2020, at 10:27, Lewis Bergman wrote: > What are the current recommendations for something like this. I see Cambium > has something that looks like it will work but their product selector > returns no matches . > > Ubiquiti ha

Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

2020-02-24 Thread Josh Baird
No way I would consider AF24HD for this. You can get 80ghz links for less that do MUCH more throughput (10Gbps). Vendors in this space include Bridgewave, Siklu and Aviat. Aviat probably gives you the best bang for your buck. Cambium has a new mmWave product, but I don't know anything about it.

Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

2020-02-24 Thread Dennis Burgess via AF
.6km use a Wireless Wire Dish Kit, we have them in stock. 60 Ghz will give you 1 gig full duplex without issues, under 400 bucks I belive. [LTI-Full_175px] Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author of "Lear

[AFMUG] Huawei Matepad Pro 5G

2020-02-24 Thread Ken Hohhof
So is Huawei banned in the US for customer equipment, or just network infrastructure? I didn't spot US availability in the article. I have to admit, this sounds like a pretty cool tablet, if you want Android not iOS. Not sure if open source Android without the Google app store is a good or ba

[AFMUG] FW: Huawei Matepad Pro 5G

2020-02-24 Thread Ken Hohhof
Sorry, link would be nice: https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/24/21145754/huawei-matepad-pro-5g-tablet-wir eless-charging-specs-news-features From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 9:35 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Huawei Matepad Pro 5G So is Huawei banne

Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

2020-02-24 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Cant you even see the earth curvature at 5K feet? HE could easily drove to the nearest peak… Darwin Lifetime achievement award for 2020 Gino Villarini Founder/President @gvillarini t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 m: [https://mcusercontent.com/491678685aaddc31e08616413/images/756812e5-24a6-4693-a923-7

Re: [AFMUG] Huawei Matepad Pro 5G

2020-02-24 Thread chuck
All Huawei products have a small chip in them with Corona Virus inside. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 8:34 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: [AFMUG] Huawei Matepad Pro 5G So is Huawei banned in the US for customer equipment, or just network infrastructure?

Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

2020-02-24 Thread chuck
There is a rise just to the West of Wendover Nevada. If you drive up there in the evening and look East, the headlights of the cars driving on I-80 clearly trace the curvature of the earth. It is a straight and level stretch of freeway that is probably 50 miles long. From: Gino A. Villarini

Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

2020-02-24 Thread Adam Moffett
If he didn't die in a crash he would have died in a steam explosion.  He was destined to kill himself with this. And yeahhis stated goal seems to be several kinds of baffling. On 2/24/2020 11:00 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote: Cant you even see the earth curvature at 5K feet? HE could eas

Re: [AFMUG] Huawei Matepad Pro 5G

2020-02-24 Thread Steve Jones
they should be required to have a "DO NOT LICK" warning sticker on them On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 10:02 AM wrote: > All Huawei products have a small chip in them with Corona Virus inside. > > *From:* Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 8:34 AM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

2020-02-24 Thread Adam Moffett
There's nothing wrong with being prepared for disasters.  There's nothing wrong with a calm and measured response either.  The two aren't even mutually exclusive. On 2/23/2020 2:05 PM, Robert wrote: Hmmm, I don't think they used trench/squat toilets on the cruise ship, I'm pretty sure they d

Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

2020-02-24 Thread Bill Prince
Unless you were in a really good place, it's difficult to see the curvature from 5,000'. However, I'm pretty sure I could see the curvature from the top of Haleakala. And I know you can see the curvature from the window of a 747 at 35,000'. bp On 2/

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

2020-02-24 Thread Bill Prince
A cruise ship is like a 5,000 seat petri dish. bp On 2/23/2020 11:05 AM, Robert wrote: Hmmm, I don't think they used trench/squat toilets on the cruise ship, I'm pretty sure they don't use them in S. Korea and a severe case percentag

Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

2020-02-24 Thread Mathew Howard
I would use 80ghz... probably Siklu. If you want to do it cheap, 60ghz should be fine at that distance too. IgniteNet and Mikrotik 60ghz have both worked well for us, Siklu is probably better, but also far more costly. On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 9:22 AM Dennis Burgess via AF wrote: > .6km use a Wi

Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

2020-02-24 Thread Mathew Howard
I think he probably really just got into the whole flat earth thing because he figured out that flat-earthers were crazy enough to give him money to build rockets... On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 10:04 AM Adam Moffett wrote: > If he didn't die in a crash he would have died in a steam explosion. He >

Re: [AFMUG] New stuff

2020-02-24 Thread Caleb Knauer
No weatherproofing on the N connectors on the unit, but they did everything else. Odd. On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 8:13 PM Jaime Solorza wrote: > > Check these out...Janteq running at 1.830Ghz and Cambium at 7GHz... > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_a

Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

2020-02-24 Thread Josh Baird
Ubiquiti also has cheap 60ghz options. Haven't used them (yet). On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 11:34 AM Mathew Howard wrote: > I would use 80ghz... probably Siklu. > > If you want to do it cheap, 60ghz should be fine at that distance too. > IgniteNet and Mikrotik 60ghz have both worked well for us, Si

Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

2020-02-24 Thread Caleb Knauer
Seems to be the building consensus. Saw the video of the launch and subsequent crater, kind of morbid. Whackadoodle for sure, hopefully he passed out at launch as suspected and didn't see the full ride to the end. On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 11:40 AM Mathew Howard wrote: > I think he probably real

Re: [AFMUG] New stuff

2020-02-24 Thread Mike Hammett
7 GHz is traditionally a TV backhaul band, but the FCC opened it up to general use several use ago, with geographic restrictions. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Darin Steffl" To:

Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

2020-02-24 Thread Mike Hammett
I'd look at Mikrotik or IgniteNet 60 GHz products. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Lewis Bergman" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 8:27:59 AM

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

2020-02-24 Thread Mike Hammett
I don't know if it was for this particular strain of corona virus, but when I was sick in January, I was tested for multiple strains of corona virus. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "

Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

2020-02-24 Thread chuck
He was successful at least one time before. Actually, I think I would prefer being totally awake and alert if this happened to me. One final thrill ride. Yee-Haw! From: Caleb Knauer Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 9:46 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocke

Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

2020-02-24 Thread chuck
I have not found any photos or videos of the impact site. I would like to see how compressed everything got. Looked like is smacked/pancaked pretty hard. From: Caleb Knauer Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 9:46 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil

Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

2020-02-24 Thread castarritt .
I am also a supporter of the flat flat earther theory. On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 11:02 AM wrote: > I have not found any photos or videos of the impact site. I would like to > see how compressed everything got. Looked like is smacked/pancaked pretty > hard. > > *From:* Caleb Knauer > *Sent:* Mon

Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

2020-02-24 Thread Darin Steffl
It comes down to carrier grade or best effort requirements and your tolerance for problems. Cheap and probably good include ignitenet, Mikrotik, ubnt. Carrier grade set and forget in 80ghz includes siklu, aviat, bridgewave and cambium/ceragon. On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 10:50 AM Mike Hammett wrote

Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

2020-02-24 Thread dave
I guess it depends on the 9s you want. Cheaper is not always better for consistency. On 2/24/20 8:36 AM, Josh Baird wrote: No way I would consider AF24HD for this.  You can get 80ghz links for less that do MUCH more throughput (10Gbps). Vendors in this space include Bridgewave, Siklu and Avi

Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

2020-02-24 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 2/24/20 8:46 AM, Caleb Knauer wrote: Seems to be the building consensus.  Saw the video of the launch and subsequent crater, kind of morbid.  Whackadoodle for sure, hopefully he passed out at launch as suspected and didn't see the full ride to the end. I mean it did work once before and th

Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

2020-02-24 Thread Mike Hammett
The plan was fine before the FCC decided to pull the rug out on census-tract licenses. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mitch Koep" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Su

Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

2020-02-24 Thread chuck
On the previous flight he forgot to arm something, I think it was related to the parachute, and had to abort the launch for a bit. I don't think he was big on checklists. -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 10:10 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [A

Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

2020-02-24 Thread Ken Hohhof
Did it look like the Mythbusters water heater rocket? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGWmONHipVo From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 11:02 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies I have not

Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

2020-02-24 Thread Mathew Howard
If you're the kind of guy that puts yourself in a thing like that, I'm pretty sure you're the kind of guy wants to be alert until the end... On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 10:58 AM wrote: > He was successful at least one time before. > Actually, I think I would prefer being totally awake and alert if t

Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

2020-02-24 Thread chuck
Much more aerodynamic. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 10:18 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies Did it look like the Mythbusters water heater rocket? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGWmONHipVo From: A

[AFMUG] tower owner says underbilled 5 years

2020-02-24 Thread Ken Hohhof
We just had a tower owner send additional invoices for the past 5 years saying an audit when we renewed showed they had underbilled us every month. The amounts are around $50 per month. Obviously I need to look at contracts and escalation provisions and try to determine if they really did under

Re: [AFMUG] tower owner says underbilled 5 years

2020-02-24 Thread Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
Sounds like Vertical Bridge. Jim Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S8 Active, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone Original message From: Ken Hohhof Date: 2/24/20 11:31 AM (GMT-06:00) To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: [AFMUG] tower owner says underbilled 5 year

Re: [AFMUG] Huawei Matepad Pro 5G

2020-02-24 Thread James Howard
[https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/uStEdPY6iKv8jXuEYBU8kc1JATI=/0x0:2040x1360/1200x0/filters:focal(0x0:2040x1360):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/19731597/jporter_200218_3911_0034.jpg] Are the photos in the article their official advertising choices? From: AF [mailto:af-boun.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

2020-02-24 Thread James Howard
Don’t you know that they use fish-eye lenses for the windows on airplanes to fool everybody? From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 10:16 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies Unless you wer

Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

2020-02-24 Thread Bill Prince
Oooh... right. Forgot about that. bp On 2/24/2020 9:39 AM, James Howard wrote: Don’t you know that they use fish-eye lenses for the windows on airplanes to fool everybody?  

Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

2020-02-24 Thread Caleb Knauer
That aren't fish eye on the ground. Neat tech. On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 12:40 PM James Howard wrote: > Don’t you know that they use fish-eye lenses for the windows on airplanes > to fool everybody? > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince > *Sent:* Monday, F

Re: [AFMUG] tower owner says underbilled 5 years

2020-02-24 Thread Ken Hohhof
How did you know? From: AF On Behalf Of Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 11:33 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tower owner says underbilled 5 years Sounds like Vertical Bridge. Jim Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S8 Active, an

Re: [AFMUG] .6 KM shot with 1G Full Duplex

2020-02-24 Thread Mathew Howard
At that distance, rain fade shouldn't be a problem with 60ghz, so it really comes down to hardware reliability, and budget, and specific requirements. If the project isn't cost sensitive, and you want the best you can get, then just go with 80ghz... there basically is no cheap junk for that band,

Re: [AFMUG] Huawei Matepad Pro 5G

2020-02-24 Thread Ken Hohhof
“Photography by Jon Porter / The Verge” But nothing in the article talked about them testing an eval unit, so it’s unclear how the photos were taken. Or who taps on a touchscreen with their middle finger. From: AF On Behalf Of James Howard Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 11:37 AM To:

[AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

2020-02-24 Thread chuck
OK, so I am bored. Hit delete. The pilot of the helicopter is getting trashed because he asked for SVFR (special VFR) and got denied on a prior flight. He proceeded anyway. On the crash flight he asked for VFR flight following. They denied it due to his altitude. I have had that happen to me

Re: [AFMUG] tower owner says underbilled 5 years

2020-02-24 Thread Steve Jones
If the lease reads that way, id pay it. a debt is a debt. Could be a trick. Set your lease terms higher than you bill. then when you want to get rid of the tenant come back with retroactive request and 30 day demand. if they dont pay, it accelerates the eviction time since its for non payment On M

[AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-24 Thread Avatar Davis
Does anyone have experience with Cambium LTE? I am highly dissatisfied with my current manufacturer and was wondering if anyone had experience using/demoing their product line. Cambium products seem consistently good in my experience. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mai

Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

2020-02-24 Thread Steven Kenney
Doubt it. It was poor decision after poor decision. Should never have flown. Mist rolling in from the hills could obscure things below 1 mile easily. Choppers and mountains don't mix with all the updrafts and unpredictable wind patterns. ESPECIALLY downdrafts. (I like to fly the Huey in DCS and

Re: [AFMUG] tower owner says underbilled 5 years

2020-02-24 Thread Steven Kenney
If its the first time they've done that they'd get away with it. If not - legal needs to get involved. -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "Steve Jones" To: "af" Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-24 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists
3.5 isn’t available yet. I believe that 2.5 can be purchased. Jeff Broadwick CTIconnect 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Avatar Davis wrote: > > Does anyone have experience with Cambium LTE? I am highly dissatisfied with > my cur

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-24 Thread Adam Moffett
I think I heard next quarter for the 3.5. On 2/24/2020 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: 3.5 isn’t available yet. I believe that 2.5 can be purchased. Jeff Broadwick CTIconnect 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@cticonnect.com On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Avatar Davis wr

Re: [AFMUG] tower owner says underbilled 5 years

2020-02-24 Thread Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
Happened to me too. But my payment was right. Their books were wrong. Jim Bouse Owner - Brazos WiFi 979-985-5912 http://www.brazoswifi.com From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 11:57 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tower owner says und

Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

2020-02-24 Thread Bill Prince
The Sikorsky S-76B is a big bird. Not cheap. Maybe 10 to 13 million depending on condition. I suspect this has some parallels to the thing with Bill Graham 20 years ago or something. I think Graham pressured the pilot to fly even though the conditions were not very

Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

2020-02-24 Thread Steven Kenney
You'd never catch me flying in a chopper IFR unelss I had some sort of terrain following radar or radar altimeter. Too many wind towers, powerlines, and those pesky telecom towers .. I've flown with real chopper pilots and they always always are concerned with towers even though they need to s

Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

2020-02-24 Thread chuck
But this was a very very large & fancy helicopter. I know most helicopter pilots seem to avoid IFR but this machine was decked out with avionics. No matter what, if you get in trouble, fess up and start to climb. From: Steven Kenney Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 11:47 AM To: af Subjec

Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

2020-02-24 Thread chuck
I would always fly IFR, in doing so you are always above the MDA for any sector. No towers or powerlines there... With IFR you have someone watching out for you. And you are almost assured to be able to land irrespective of the weather. From: Steven Kenney Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 12

Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

2020-02-24 Thread Bill Prince
As my primary instructor said when we were doing some drills in the sierra foothills. "Winds in the mountains are treacherous and unforgiving. If you don't like it where you is, go where you ain't." bp On 2/24/2020 11:46 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

2020-02-24 Thread Matt Hoppes
And? On 2/24/20 11:54 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I don't know if it was for this particular strain of corona virus, but when I was sick in January, I was tested for multiple strains of corona virus. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

[AFMUG] 11ghz Jirius dishes / radio comparability

2020-02-24 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
What all radio manufacturers have radios that work on the Jirus dishes? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

2020-02-24 Thread Mark Radabaugh
Tight circling while waiting for a clearance followed by a rapid acceleration and climb is a textbook recipe for vertigo and spatial disorientation. I’m willing to bet the descent was opposite the direction he was initially circling.Vertigo is nasty in IFR, especially when it’s been some ti

Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

2020-02-24 Thread Adam Moffett
They're basically wrong on any topic with any technical nuance at all. On 2/24/2020 3:43 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: The media is always idiotic when it comes to flying -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

2020-02-24 Thread Ken Hohhof
I’m clearly not cut out for any of this. I get vertigo just driving over an interstate overpass on a foggy day. From: AF On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 2:44 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters Tight circling w

Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

2020-02-24 Thread chuck
I only got it bad once. Just trusted the instruments until I got out of the clouds. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:56 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters I’m clearly not cut out for any of this. I get vertigo just drivin

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-24 Thread David Williamson
Will the Cambium 3.65 LTE have a completely new SM or will it use the existing 450SM's? Trying to determine if I should keep our 450SM's or just go ahead and sell them to one of our secondary market distributors along with our 450 AP's. Thanks! David Williamson -Original Message- Fro

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-24 Thread Adam Moffett
Different SM. On 2/24/2020 4:03 PM, David Williamson wrote: Will the Cambium 3.65 LTE have a completely new SM or will it use the existing 450SM's? Trying to determine if I should keep our 450SM's or just go ahead and sell them to one of our secondary market distributors along with our 450 AP

Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

2020-02-24 Thread Ken Hohhof
Choose your experts based on their profile pictures. https://dilbert.com/strip/2020-02-23 -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 2:54 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters They're basically wrong on any topic

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-24 Thread Jason McKemie
Why are you getting rid of 3.65 Cambium in favor of LTE? On Monday, February 24, 2020, David Williamson < dwilliam...@customcomputersva.com> wrote: > Will the Cambium 3.65 LTE have a completely new SM or will it use the > existing 450SM's? Trying to determine if I should keep our 450SM's or just

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-24 Thread David Williamson
450 3.65Ghz vs. Baicells 3.65Ghz LTE = no comparison. All but one of the 450 APs are already removed from our network. I am just trying to determine if the SMs will be usable on Cambium LTE once they roll it out, or if it will require a completely different SM. David From: AF [mailto:af-

Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

2020-02-24 Thread Bill Prince
It is somewhat an acquired skill. If you practice flying under a hood, you can teach yourself to ignore the sensation. bp On 2/24/2020 12:56 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I’m clearly not cut out for any of this

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-24 Thread Adam Moffett
In my opinion, 450 is better than Baicells or Telrad LTE at everything except NLOS performance. Except that NLOS performance is so useful that one can be tempted to ignore all of the other features of the 450.  I do understand that tradeoff because I've had to make it myself. On 2/24/20

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-24 Thread David Williamson
3.65Ghz 450 vs. Baicells is not better = we have real-world testing that says otherwise. And in NLOS environment 450 is non-existent, so that isn’t even a conversation between the two. My question is will the 450SM’s work with Cambium LTE product? I would like confirmation on that if you all

[AFMUG] Need custom SMF 144 count fiber cable made

2020-02-24 Thread Sterling Jacobson
Can anyone point me to a vendor/person/site that can make me the following cable (times two)? Just regular 144cnt vault/conduit outdoor rated cable, nothing on one end. The other end broken out into twelve pigtails with MTP-12 APC Female connectors on each, maybe about 1.5 feet long. This would

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-24 Thread Steve Jones
Something aboit the medusa top can be used with cnranger potentially with a fiber run and a software update On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 3:38 PM Adam Moffett wrote: > In my opinion, 450 is better than Baicells or Telrad LTE at everything > except NLOS performance. > > Except that NLOS performance i

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-24 Thread Steve Jones
Did you dump the nLOS testing before 1x? On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 3:42 PM David Williamson < dwilliam...@customcomputersva.com> wrote: > 3.65Ghz 450 vs. Baicells is not better = we have real-world testing that > says otherwise. And in NLOS environment 450 is non-existent, so that isn’t > even a con

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-24 Thread Mathew Howard
It's not so much that one is better than the other, as that they have different uses. If I expected everything to be LOS I wouldn't even consider using LTE over 450, but if I expected most stuff to be NLOS, then I wouldn't even consider 450. On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 3:42 PM David Williamson < dwill

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-24 Thread Adam Moffett
Sorry, I thought that was already answered.  Cambium LTE is a different SM. Nobody has ever indicated that a 450 SM would work with LTE, and there's no reason to think it ever would. In any case I wasn't trying to argue with you about it.  I'm glad you liked Baicells. On 2/24/2020 4:41 PM,

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-24 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Have you tested with the CBRS power levels Dave? Jeff Broadwick CTIconnect 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > On Feb 24, 2020, at 3:42 PM, David Williamson > wrote: > >  > 3.65Ghz 450 vs. Baicells is not better = we have real-world testing that says > otherwise

[AFMUG] OT comics

2020-02-24 Thread chuck
Ever note it is only the old dudes that paste comics here? I was still reading 2 papers a day printed on paper up to just a couple of years ago. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT comics

2020-02-24 Thread Bill Prince
We were getting a couple of daily papers until about 8-10 months ago. We gave up because they couldn't seem to deliver it reliably, and it was just filling the recycle bin. Still subscribe, but online. I don't know who is the oldest dude, but I may be close.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-24 Thread David Williamson
Agreed, Matthew. David From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 4:47 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE It's not so much that one is better than the other, as that they have different uses.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-24 Thread David Williamson
No. We have used 450 3.65Ghz gear for years and have always updated firmware, etc. It is a non starter for nLOS and NLOS. David From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 4:45 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMU

Re: [AFMUG] OT comics

2020-02-24 Thread Mike Meluskey
Technically I’m a Boomer too. Here’s one of my favorites: https://dilbert.com/strip/2020-02-23 On 24 Feb 2020, at 18:04, Bill Prince wrote: We were getting a couple of daily papers until about 8-10 months ago. We gave up because they couldn't seem to deliver it reliably, and it was just fill

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-24 Thread David Williamson
Ok, thanks for the confirmation. David From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 4:51 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE Sorry, I thought that was already answered. Cambium LTE is a different SM. Nobody has e

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-24 Thread Ken Hohhof
Something I haven’t quite understood about LTE and actually even 450m under Part 96, is xmt power. It seems like the basestations/APs use the new higher regulatory EIRP, but do any of the customer side radios have that kind of power? I’m thinking no, probably due to some combination of cost, s

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-24 Thread Eric Muehleisen
I think Cambium will tell you that the uplink issue is overcome because of the uplink MUMIMO beams. On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 4:09 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Something I haven’t quite understood about LTE and actually even 450m > under Part 96, is xmt power. It seems like the basestations/APs use the

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-24 Thread Adam Moffett
This is true about Tx power in other LTE bands as well. Upstream is the weak link.  Nobody cares about upstream.  Rather, some customers care about upstream, but not enough to sacrifice downstream for it. On 2/24/2020 5:09 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Something I haven’t quite understood about LT

Re: [AFMUG] New stuff

2020-02-24 Thread Jaime Solorza
Yes we saw that... funny thing...the Cambium gear removed on yesterday on Sunday... On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 9:45 AM Caleb Knauer wrote: > No weatherproofing on the N connectors on the unit, but they did > everything else. Odd. > > On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 8:13 PM Jaime Solorza > wrote: > > > > Ch

Re: [AFMUG] New stuff

2020-02-24 Thread Jaime Solorza
Turns out the gear belongs to FBI No wonder there were crackling sounds in phone calls and black helicopters flying over my house this weekend. On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 3:25 PM Jaime Solorza wrote: > Yes we saw that... funny thing...the Cambium gear removed on yesterday on > Sunday... > > On Mo

Re: [AFMUG] Need custom SMF 144 count fiber cable made

2020-02-24 Thread Jason McKemie
I've gotten custom cables like this from Multilink, via Comstar Supply. On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 3:45 PM Sterling Jacobson wrote: > Can anyone point me to a vendor/person/site that can make me the following > cable (times two)? > > > > Just regular 144cnt vault/conduit outdoor rated cable, nothin

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-24 Thread Jason McKemie
So the 450M is supposed to be LTE upgradable? On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 3:45 PM Steve Jones wrote: > Something aboit the medusa top can be used with cnranger potentially with > a fiber run and a software update > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 3:38 PM Adam Moffett wrote: > >> In my opinion, 450 is bette

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-24 Thread Gino A. Villarini
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Re: [AFMUG] Need custom SMF 144 count fiber cable made

2020-02-24 Thread chuck
I think Graybar will have them made for you. From: Jason McKemie Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 5:00 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need custom SMF 144 count fiber cable made I've gotten custom cables like this from Multilink, via Comstar Supply. On Mon, Feb 24,

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-24 Thread Ken Hohhof
You should probably talk to someone at Cambium, unless someone here has already done that. There was talk 1-2 years ago about 450m is software defined so maybe they could use it as a remote radio head with their cnRanger LTE BaseBand Unit (BBU). It has been pretty quiet since then, but I haven

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-24 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
What is the new cbrs power level? Sent from my smartphone - Reply message - From: "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE Date: Mon, Feb 24, 2020 3:59 PM Have you tested with the CBRS power levels Dave? Jeff BroadwickCTIconnect 312

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

2020-02-24 Thread Mike Hammett
and I was clear. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Matt Hoppes" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" , "Mike Hammett" Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:59:51 PM Subject: Re: [AF

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-24 Thread Mark Radabaugh
50W in a 10Mhz channel, close to 80W (49dBm) in a 30Mhz channel. Mark > On Feb 24, 2020, at 8:29 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller > wrote: > > > What is the new cbrs power level? > > Sent from my smartphone > > - Reply message - > From: "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" mailto:jeffl...@att.net>> >

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

2020-02-24 Thread Robert
Very similar to an Commercial airliner with 80 percent recirculation... On 2/24/20 8:17 AM, Bill Prince wrote: A cruise ship is like a 5,000 seat petri dish. bp On 2/23/2020 11:05 AM, Robert wrote: Hmmm, I don't think they used trench/squat toilets on the cruise ship, I'm pretty sure they d

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

2020-02-24 Thread Ken Hohhof
Vaccine progress. https://www.wsj.com/articles/drugmaker-moderna-delivers-first-coronavirus-vaccine-for-human-testing-11582579099 From: AF On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 9:57 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock) Very similar to

Re: [AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters

2020-02-24 Thread Robert
One point about the the autopilot, it requires a minimum forward speed, which I believe was about 60 knots.  I believe he went below that at one point just before the turn, climb and then decent.   He was only 50-100 feet below the reported tops when the decent and increase in speed started wit

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

2020-02-24 Thread Ken Hohhof
Birds will be bursting into flames in mid air. From: AF On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 8:44 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE 50W in a 10Mhz channel, close to 80W (49dBm) in a 30Mhz channel. Mark On Feb 2

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