> Mein Kampf was clearly not included to promote Nazi ideals, as Germans
> (who are probably the target audience) aren't even allowed to possess
> this book. So in practice the joke punishes every law-abiding German
> citizen by disallowing them to download 9front.
Possession of "Mein Kampf" is no
cinap_len...@gmx.de once said:
> /lib/mainkampf is part of an ongoing project to make
> venti sha-1 hashes easy to remember by translating
> them into hitler-speeches.
Well now that it's gone, how about using
excerpts from Industrial Society and its
Future?
I can send a patch to add /lib/kaczynsk
2011/11/27 erik quanstrom :
>>
>> I suspect one of the reasons why 9front exists is because some people
>> in the Plan 9 community this days seem to take themselves and the
>> whole project a bit too seriously.
>>
>> Which is kind of weird for a project called after an Ed Wood film.
>
> uriel, what
Mein Kampf was clearly not included to promote Nazi ideals, as Germans
(who are probably the target audience) aren't even allowed to possess
this book. So in practice the joke punishes every law-abiding German
citizen by disallowing them to download 9front.
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Nov 2011, Dan Cross wrote:
>> On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 11:32 PM, wrote:
>>> /lib/mainkampf is part of an ongoing project to make
>>> venti sha-1 hashes easy to remember by translating
>>> them into hitler-speeches.
>>
>> It's a
I like some of the fun in 9front, /lib/theo in special, and I dislike
the idea of having the US constitution in /lib.
But my point is that I think it is a little bit too much having Mein
Kampf in there. It seems to me some people needed attention and adding
such a disgusting text to the tree was th
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011, Dan Cross wrote:
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 11:32 PM, wrote:
/lib/mainkampf is part of an ongoing project to make
venti sha-1 hashes easy to remember by translating
them into hitler-speeches.
It's also, frankly, offensive.
I think 'disgusting' describes it better.
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Skip Tavakkolian
wrote:
> this reasoning is so ridiculous that i have to believe you're trolling.
>
> the U.S. Constitution has been the foundation for the rule of law in
> this country for 200+ years, and the Gettysburg address honored the
> fallen and the ideals
this reasoning is so ridiculous that i have to believe you're trolling.
the U.S. Constitution has been the foundation for the rule of law in
this country for 200+ years, and the Gettysburg address honored the
fallen and the ideals -- equality for all men -- that they died for.
why would anyone thi
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 11:32 PM, wrote:
> /lib/mainkampf is part of an ongoing project to make
> venti sha-1 hashes easy to remember by translating
> them into hitler-speeches.
It's also, frankly, offensive.
On 11/27/11 14:39, yy wrote:
2011/11/21 Jens Staal:
What I would like to know is if you can boot a plan9 system from iso via 9vx
as "persistent" partition whereas changes are saved to another directory (so
basically setting up a union mount between the iso and a directory) -
alternatively specif
2011/11/21 Jens Staal :
> What I would like to know is if you can boot a plan9 system from iso via 9vx
> as "persistent" partition whereas changes are saved to another directory (so
> basically setting up a union mount between the iso and a directory) -
> alternatively specifying an alternative pat
/lib/mainkampf is part of an ongoing project to make
venti sha-1 hashes easy to remember by translating
them into hitler-speeches.
--
cinap
no, but the communist manifesto ;)
--
cinap
>> uriel, what you say would make sense if the "jokes" didn't include putting
>> mein kampf in /lib.
> The constitution and the gettysburg address are in there, too.
Is this balanced by having "The Diary of Ann Frank" in there, too?
++L
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 3:40 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
>> 9front seems to me to define itself as: having fun while getting
>> useful stuff done. With an emphasis in *fun* and in not taking
>> anything too seriously, while one the technical side favoring
>> simplicity and things that work.
>>
>> Th
The constitution and the gettysburg address are in there, too.
On Nov 26, 2011 6:51 PM, "erik quanstrom" wrote:
> > 9front seems to me to define itself as: having fun while getting
> > useful stuff done. With an emphasis in *fun* and in not taking
> > anything too seriously, while one the technic
> 9front seems to me to define itself as: having fun while getting
> useful stuff done. With an emphasis in *fun* and in not taking
> anything too seriously, while one the technical side favoring
> simplicity and things that work.
>
> This might not be exactly the same original Plan 9 values, but
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 3:02 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> if folks have a problem with 9front it is not technical. folks don't
> get that far. it is because 9front appears to have defined itself in
> criticism
> of people (not code). and further defined itself by some offensive files.
> this ma
A good clue might have been that they're "Sharepoint" experts.
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Stanley Lieber
wrote:
>
> The article linked above is an example of poor journalism, complete
> with misquotes and fabricated quotes.
>
> No one involved with 9front saw the text of the article before it was posted.
I think you've explained your position reasonably, let's hope that
this serves as a lesson to those involved as well as to asnyone else
exposing to the press what can only be a controversial issue.
++L
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Lucio De Re wrote:
> Is it too late to merge Plan 9, 9front and NIX by applying patches as
> the Go Authors do with their stuff?
The divergence is probably already too wide for merging with simple
patches, but 9front's changes are of course available to anyone. I
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Lucio De Re wrote:
>> I take full responsibility for the misunderstandings, though
>> I wonder why we're all so credulous when it comes to articles on
>> websites.
>
> Because that's the point of journalism. You ought to have made sure
> that the community affect
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Lucio De Re wrote:
>> I have great respect for Geoff and what he has been and continues to
>> do for Plan 9.
>
> I'd like to add my voice to this. And I take exception to Schmidt
> taking the glory for cwfs, which is Geoff Collyer's work and is not in
> any way to
> so it is childish to replace 9load? or build a distribution that
> uses the stable and robust cwfs instead of fossil? write an
> audio layer? moving realmode and keyboard processing to userspace?
> unify the boot process to to break into rc shell, so one can
> at see what hardware got detected, p
> I take full responsibility for the misunderstandings, though
> I wonder why we're all so credulous when it comes to articles on
> websites.
Because that's the point of journalism. You ought to have made sure
that the community affected by the article was informed about its
inaccuracies. I do
> I have great respect for Geoff and what he has been and continues to
> do for Plan 9.
I'd like to add my voice to this. And I take exception to Schmidt
taking the glory for cwfs, which is Geoff Collyer's work and is not in
any way to be treated as a sequel to Fossil.
++L
On Thu Nov 24 15:40:16 EST 2011, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote:
> so it is childish to replace 9load? or build a distribution that
> uses the stable and robust cwfs instead of fossil? write an
> audio layer? moving realmode and keyboard processing to userspace?
> unify the boot process to to break into
neither am I.
I was saying it would have been much better to see which
one was the problem with patches and address it.
have fun.
On Thursday, November 24, 2011, ron minnich wrote:
> Um, cinap, just FYI, I was not aiming at you or anyone else in
> particular. Sorry if it sounded that way.
>
> It'
Um, cinap, just FYI, I was not aiming at you or anyone else in
particular. Sorry if it sounded that way.
It's a holiday here, and not many other places, but still ... happy
-day everyone!
ron
so it is childish to replace 9load? or build a distribution that
uses the stable and robust cwfs instead of fossil? write an
audio layer? moving realmode and keyboard processing to userspace?
unify the boot process to to break into rc shell, so one can
at see what hardware got detected, poke at ctl
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 10:25 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
>> This, to be honest, doesn't say much.
>> However, recently I stumbled over this:
>> http://www.sptechweb.com/content/article.aspx?ArticleID=35742&print=true
>
> geoff did cwfs, and has done more to maintain the system
> than the rest of us
The work of Geoff and everyone inside and outside of Bell Labs who
have contributed over the years is greatly appreciated. Obviously,
none of us would be here talking about Plan 9 without their
contributions. It's because of their hard work that we have a base
from which to launch our experiments.
I'm impressed by the work Geoff, and others do on Plan9, and I'm not
talking about 9front at all.
Jim, Charles, and others made an excellent port for amd64,
which is cleaner that any other system I've seen. We used that
as a starting point for nix.
I think is childish to fork a system because the
it seems to me that cat-v.org is in the business of promoting itself.
i've had patches that were accepted and some that were rejected for
good reasons. please point out the rejected patches (which are also
kept) so that we can judge the veracity of the claims being made.
I have great respect for
> This, to be honest, doesn't say much.
> However, recently I stumbled over this:
> http://www.sptechweb.com/content/article.aspx?ArticleID=35742&print=true
geoff did cwfs, and has done more to maintain the system
than the rest of us put together. he has my respect for that.
thanks, geoff.
- er
>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Anton wrote:
>> Btw, why there are 9atom and 9front?
>> I mean, why they aren't joined together? What the difference between them?
On 22 November 2011 00:02, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
> because 9fans not only agree to disagree, they also disagree to agree :)
Th
You mean -1, don't you?
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Yaroslav wrote:
> 2011/11/22 Skip Tavakkolian :
>> because 9fans not only agree to disagree, they also disagree to agree :)
>
> +1
>
>
2011/11/22 Skip Tavakkolian :
> because 9fans not only agree to disagree, they also disagree to agree :)
+1
In this case, it seems to be less agreement or disagreement than
significantly different experiences. Some of that is caused by using
9vx differently, but it also happens that the version of 9vx that
others are using has a great many non-trivial differences with the
much older one I'm using, and al
On Mon Nov 21 18:03:32 EST 2011, skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com wrote:
> because 9fans not only agree to disagree, they also disagree to agree :)
i'll agree to that!
- erik
because 9fans not only agree to disagree, they also disagree to agree :)
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Anton wrote:
> Yep, with 3.1 9vx runs fine for an hour already. However, I want to
> try installing Plan 9 natively. Tomorrow. Btw, why there are 9atom and
> 9front?
> I mean, why they aren't
Yep, with 3.1 9vx runs fine for an hour already. However, I want to
try installing Plan 9 natively. Tomorrow. Btw, why there are 9atom and
9front?
I mean, why they aren't joined together? What the difference between them?
2011/11/22 Skip Tavakkolian
> i'll modify what i said to "... suspect the
i'll modify what i said to "... suspect the host os first". it's been
my experience that every autoupdate on Ubuntu and Windows brings in
its share of new bugs (hopefully less than the number of bugs it
fixes)
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 12:32 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> On Mon Nov 21 15:20:58 EST 2
2011/11/21 Anthony Martin :
> I had this happen to me a few times but I never
> took the time to track it down. I haven't had
> it happen since I upgraded my kernel to 3.1.
I can confirm this. I don't know how to be sure it is solved, but the
problem used to appear after a few minutes of use and,
On Mon Nov 21 15:20:58 EST 2011, skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com wrote:
> i run 9vx occasionally. a while back i built 9vx from ron's
> repository. i was having problems with it under Ubuntu 10.04 x86_64,
> where sometimes both cores were pegged at 100%; it was a problem with
> linux (judging by ubunt
i run 9vx occasionally. a while back i built 9vx from ron's
repository. i was having problems with it under Ubuntu 10.04 x86_64,
where sometimes both cores were pegged at 100%; it was a problem with
linux (judging by ubuntu mailing lists). without changing 9vx, things
got stable after 10.10 (curr
On Nov 21, 2011, at 9:14 AM, Anton wrote:
> > What are the problems with trying to boot it natively?
> As you correctly suggested, my wireless card isn't supported and connecting
> laptop through the Ethernet cable to my router located in another room is
> somewhat inconvenient. Also, I'm not
I can crash 9vx (latest from rminnich's repository) with regularity
just by trying to compile Go's 'cmath' package. hosted on OSX, 7 cpus
recognized by 9vx:
segment 0x3f00 0x4000
segment 0x1000 0x5a000
segment 0x5a000 0x6b000
segment 0x6b000 0x263000
1580 8g: unhandled fault va=162 [110001
>> just normal usage, mk install and such in the nix release, and there
>> are times that memory corruption happens. There's been a race in there
>> forever, and sometimes you hit it, and things start to go south.
how many processors? oh. and which host system?
funny, it's working like a rock here. just fine.
maybe I've been lucky.
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 7:39 PM, ron minnich wrote:
> just normal usage, mk install and such in the nix release, and there
> are times that memory corruption happens. There's been a race in there
> forever, and sometimes you
just normal usage, mk install and such in the nix release, and there
are times that memory corruption happens. There's been a race in there
forever, and sometimes you hit it, and things start to go south.
ron
what do you do???
On 21 November 2011 10:24, ron minnich wrote:
> but it is also pretty easy
> for me to drive it into a corner such that simple commands don't have
> repeatable results -- memory corruption problems start to appear.
9vx is very nice, I use it all the time, but it is also pretty easy
for me to drive it into a corner such that simple commands don't have
repeatable results -- memory corruption problems start to appear. If
you are having troubles, it is not necessarily your fault, and you may
be better off with a
On 11/21/11 18:09, Anton wrote:
> If you're on linux, you should consider kvm + kvmtool + plan 9
AFAIK, kvmtool wasn't integrated into 3.1. Is it stable/mature enough
to run plan 9?
> i have to say my experience is quite different
Hm, that's odd. 9vx runs ok in ubuntu in tinycore, but not in a
> If you're on linux, you should consider kvm + kvmtool + plan 9
AFAIK, kvmtool wasn't integrated into 3.1. Is it stable/mature enough to
run plan 9?
> i have to say my experience is quite different
Hm, that's odd. 9vx runs ok in ubuntu in tinycore, but not in arch. Maybe
the thing is in Arch's k
> my only practical problem so far is DNS, which i suppose must be
> single-threaded.
my experiment in wiring dns to a mach didn't work;
it was less stable than before. mttf measured in seconds.
- erik
i have to say my experience is quite different.
% uname -aLinux pensomolto 3.0.0-12-generic #20-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 7
14:50:42 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
ubuntu 11.10 but note that i use gnome not unity (because i want to use it).
i use 9vx, and have done for years. i use it as both a devel
If you're on linux, you should consider kvm + kvmtool + plan 9.
vx32 is incomplete. It has many problems. Nobody's had the time to
really fix it. It's nice that it works but you should not assume that
it's a solid piece of software; it's not.
ron
2011/11/21 Sergey Kish :
> Jens,
> vx32-hg is already in AUR
> http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=28147Maybe it should use
> rminnich/vx32 repo by default
> /_hgroot/c_hgroot="https://bitbucket.org/rminnich/vx32";.
http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=28147 uses
http://code.swtch.com/vx3
I love Gmail,
vx32-hg is already in AUR http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=28147
Maybe it should use rminnich/vx32 repo by default
/_hgroot/c
_hgroot="https://bitbucket.org/rminnich/vx32";
.
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Sergey Kish wrote:
> Jens,
> vx32-hg is already in AUR
> http:/
Jens,
vx32-hg is already in AUR
http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=28147Maybe it should use
rminnich/vx32 repo by default
/_hgroot/c_hgroot="https://bitbucket.org/rminnich/vx32";.
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Jens Staal wrote:
> On 11/21/11 12:01, yy wrote:
>>>
>>> 9vx-hg (checked out 20
Wow, so many replies :)
> have you considered running plan 9 from within virtualbox?
I've not tried it yet, since the are a lot mentions that Plan 9 is slow
under vb, but I'll try it if nothing helps.
> What are the problems with trying to boot it natively?
As you correctly suggested, my wirele
2011/11/21 Jens Staal :
> What I would like to know is if you can boot a plan9 system from iso via 9vx
> as "persistent" partition whereas changes are saved to another directory (so
> basically setting up a union mount between the iso and a directory) -
> alternatively specifying an alternative pat
On 11/21/11 12:01, yy wrote:
9vx-hg (checked out 2011.11.17) - cmd line (9vx -r 9front -u glenda)
9front iso image - 9front-1131.664b953bfdde (I've copied it's contents and
`chmod -R u+w`ed it)
If you are using a modern version of 9vx (rminnich's repository at
bitbucket) you don't need to copy t
2011/11/21 Anton :
> Linux hippo 3.0-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Oct 19 12:14:48 UTC 2011 i686
> Intel(R) Core(TM) Duo CPU T2600 @ 2.16GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux (Archlinux)
You may try booting an older kernel.
I've had similar problems since I updated my main arch system to linux
3.0, but I've not h
Anton once said:
> However, as it won't work on my laptop natively, i'm
> forced to use 9vx (running in kvm is too slow). It has
> one magor drawback - it is freezing my entire system
> after some random time. Symptoms are - no reaction on
> input (mouse/keyboard), no changes in output (screen is
What are the problems with trying to boot it natively
(by the way, you probably won't be able to drive the
wireless card, if you do get it to boot native)?
Have you tried Erik Quanstro's 9atom kernel?
ak
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 12:31 AM, Anton wrote:
> Hello all,
> Recently I've discovered Plan
have you considered running plan 9 from within virtualbox?
plan 9 seems to be fairly responsive running within the latest version of
virtualbox on debian squeeze here.
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Anton wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Recently I've discovered Plan 9 and I'm fascinated by it's num
Hello all,
Recently I've discovered Plan 9 and I'm fascinated by it's numerous
beauties, and I want to try it for more or less regular use, probably port
something.
However, as it won't work on my laptop natively, i'm forced to use 9vx
(running in kvm is too slow). It has one magor drawback - it
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