On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 3:02 AM, erik quanstrom <quans...@quanstro.net> wrote: > if folks have a problem with 9front it is not technical. folks don't > get that far. it is because 9front appears to have defined itself in > criticism > of people (not code). and further defined itself by some offensive files. > this makes 9front appear less than serious.
9front seems to me to define itself as: having fun while getting useful stuff done. With an emphasis in *fun* and in not taking anything too seriously, while one the technical side favoring simplicity and things that work. This might not be exactly the same original Plan 9 values, but seems close enough. Of course in 9front there is also an element of trolling and poking fun at itself and anything else, and I will be happy if cat-v.org takes the blame for that. > to be honest, it's one of the reasons i've stopped following 9front. > > to paraphrase a saying in mathematics, it's not enough to be good > you must also be humble. why do you think dennis' ideas took > over? I think an important form of humility is not taking yourself too seriously. For an example of this see Dennis' Anti-Foreword to The UNIX-HATERS Handbook: http://simson.net/ref/ugh.pdf 9front can't claim to reach such exquisite levels of "seriousness", but it tries. I suspect one of the reasons why 9front exists is because some people in the Plan 9 community this days seem to take themselves and the whole project a bit too seriously. Which is kind of weird for a project called after an Ed Wood film. uriel
