Re: [9fans] mk clean on /sys/src/cmd/git

That's not true, rc has a $path, you can see for yourself: cpu% echo $path /bin . Most stuff does just use /bin, but for convenience rc also includes the cwd in $path. On 7/24/25 15:54, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: > There is no concept of "path" in 9front/Plan9 - not needed due to union > mount

Re: [9fans] Chez Scheme port?

On 7/18/25 04:25, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > snip... > There are a couple of obstacles: Chicken uses stack allocation heavily > (Cheney-on-the-MTA implementation), and we don’t have alloca() on Plan 9.   > (Why not add it?)  And the other is that Chicken’s compiler generates C code: > it would have

Re: [9fans] The Big Questioning: Plan 9 everywhere?

On 7/2/25 07:46, Dan Cross wrote: > On Tue, Jul 1, 2025 at 6:37 PM Jacob Moody wrote: >> One of the reasons why Plan 9 is nice is that we do not have to copy >> everyone else's mistakes and assume >> their baggage for supporting X, Y, and Z environments. >> >

Re: [9fans] The Big Questioning: Plan 9 everywhere?

One of the reasons why Plan 9 is nice is that we do not have to copy everyone else's mistakes and assume their baggage for supporting X, Y, and Z environments. A lot of how things become nicer on plan 9/9front is someone took the chance to take a step back, analyze the problem practically, and d

Re: [9fans] The Big Questioning: Plan 9 everywhere?

On 6/30/25 16:40, arn...@skeeve.com wrote: > "Danny Wilkins via 9fans" <9fans@9fans.net> wrote: > >> Obviously what needs to push is rust and node so that p9 can be a real >> next gen server platform :) Think of all the apps we could run with electron. > > Adding node is to invite a swarm of secu

Re: [9fans] Auth failures on my cpu server

On 6/18/25 09:04, f...@p9f.org wrote: > A few days ago my main server decided to stop accepting my password to log in. > I ignored this for the few days I was out of town, and now back in front of > my console I find a few things. > First, on the adjacent mac I still have a drawterm session open t

Re: [9fans] The Big Questioning: Plan 9 everywhere?

Responses in-line. On 6/5/25 12:10, Daniel Maslowski via 9fans wrote: > Moody, first of all, I apologize. To be clear, I would not wamt to claim > anyone else's work as mine, especially not right in front of them. Quite the > opposite; I credit others on a regular basis. All I'm trying here is t

Re: [9fans] The Big Questioning: Plan 9 everywhere?

On 6/5/25 11:25, Daniel Maslowski via 9fans wrote: > Thank you for supporting my argument! > > I assume that you are not suggesting to not question Rob's conclusions from 3 > decades ago. I am, new computers are not nice to use. I don't want to make 9front like a modern linux/mac/windows/whatev

Re: [9fans] The Big Questioning: Plan 9 everywhere?

Responses in-line. On 6/5/25 07:42, Daniel Maslowski via 9fans wrote: > > Operating systems have made their journeys as well. Be it macOS, Windows or > Ubuntu as they are today having iterated over many concepts in terms of > widgets and interaction design, and BeOS famously having experimented

Re: [9fans] A challenge for all of you out there ...

On 6/2/25 18:02, Ron Minnich wrote: > Jacob, re-reading, all the work you have done is quite impressive, and > I'd like to find a way to link something on p9f.org to it. Further, I > will now go try it myself. But, wow, that's very nice stuff :-) > > Looking at all the work people have done, my fe

Re: [9fans] Re: An easy way to run 9legacy

On 6/3/25 05:42, hiro wrote: >> The issue is where to put them, do we have a /README.md? >> Do we have /alien or /unix? > > sounds like a good idea. however it would be called, i'd put it next to ape. This is not the same thing, we do not have a /ape. So do we put a .md file in the root of every

Re: [9fans] Re: An easy way to run 9legacy

On 6/2/25 11:23, hiro wrote: > sorry to disagree moddy, but we already document how to use qemu in > the 9front fqa. qemu virtualized amd64 is one of the easy ways to boot > up a real 9front kernel, so i wouldn't say we don't support this > "target". There's a big difference between running a real

Re: [9fans] A challenge for all of you out there ...

Responses in-line. On 6/2/25 12:59, ron minnich wrote: > I think there's been lots of good work done, and I did find the 9front FQA > quite usable. > > What I've had complaints about, and where I think the foundation can help, is > to provide a central place to connect all these disparate effor

Re: [9fans] Re: An easy way to run 9legacy

On 6/2/25 02:04, a...@xplshn.com.ar wrote: > It would be great to have that in the 9front git mirror > (https://github.com/9front/9front ) The 9front git mirror is just that, a mirror of git.9front.org. I updated stuff to have github actions for syncing largely b

Re: [9fans] A challenge for all of you out there ...

On 6/1/25 23:53, Cody Holliday wrote: > Hey Jacob, > > That is all really interesting! You have put a ton of work into > improving things. > I myself have been thankful for the qemu builds so I can skip all the > rigamarole. > > I think to Ron's point: why is this not clear and easy to find on

Re: [9fans] A challenge for all of you out there ...

Hey Ron, I have been putting a ton of work regarding this, so I want to show where 9front is now and open the discussions about specifics we can do better. Right now we have a nightly builder which builds the entire tree and all supported architechtures and runs our suite of tests. The full log

Re: [9fans] Microsoft Opens WSL - also starring "plan9"

Does anyone else find it annoying that they seem to use "plan9" and "9p" interchangeably in their code and documentation? Considering they've extended 9p yet again (to what they call 9p2000.W) I find there not much real "plan9" anywhere here. Regarding the NT kernel bits, there was some DoS vuln

Re: [9fans] Next Generation Acme

Just to comment on some small points. On 5/13/25 07:20, Aram Hăvărneanu wrote: > Here are some of my ideas for the next generation of Acme. Please > disagree or add more. > > Of course, this is all a pipe dream since I have no time to work > on this, but one can dream... The purpose of this threa

Re: [9fans] add delkey(1) to factotum man page's "see also"

On 4/20/25 05:58, hahahahacker2009 wrote: > When I first used Plan 9, I can't figure out how to delete my ssh key. It is > annoying to reboot the computer. Factotum(4) only mention the message delkey > that is written to the control file when deleting a key. I have to search the > mailing list f

Re: [9fans] github mirror status

On 4/7/25 01:43, Roman Belenov wrote: > Hello, > > Just noticed that https://github.com/9front/9front >  didn't sync for a few days - is it > temporary? Looks like it's a handy way to keep/share local changes. > > Regards, Roman > We use a separate repository

Re: [9fans] Serving tftp on a second interface

aux/listen lacks a -x, but in your /cfg/$sysname/cpustart you could do something like: @{ rfork n bind '#I1' /net aux/listen -q } Bit of a workaround, but it should work. Maybe a discussion can be had about doing this better. On 4/8/25 15:43, Paul Lalonde wrote: > Ok, on to my next probl

Re: [9fans] Tailscale on Plan 9

er internet. If it is of any use I've written a short blog post[2] about how I have this NAT configuration all setup. [0] http://man.9front.org/8/tinc [1] https://git.9front.org/plan9front/plan9front/a3fef8384db2ce1ff98c38373c59841b83c83ce0/sys/src/cmd/ip/tinc.c/f.html [2] https://posixcaf

Re: [9fans] slides ...

On 3/19/25 09:46, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > Quoth ron minnich : >> It's been a while ... my iwp9 paper is all troff, I'd like to use troff for >> slides, looking for some hints. >> >> thanks > > Here's some example slides in troff: > > http://repo.cat-v.org/troff-slider/ > > I'm going

Re: [9fans] 9front/9legacy woes

e)(/dev/newDisk/fsworm) config: filsys other (/dev/newDisk/other) config: filsys dump o config: end Yes this is a bit annoying, that's why it's been fixed in both hjfs and in gefs, which work fine with only a plan9.ini change (when changing the disk ordering). - Jacob Moody > >

Re: [9fans] git under Plan9/9legacy

On 3/13/25 17:04, tlaro...@kergis.com wrote: > On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 04:51:24PM -0500, Jacob Moody wrote: >> On 3/13/25 16:27, tlaro...@kergis.com wrote: >>> I'm perhaps doing something incorrect. >>> >>> git(1) is available on 9legacy too. >>>

Re: [9fans] git under Plan9/9legacy

On 3/13/25 16:27, tlaro...@kergis.com wrote: > I'm perhaps doing something incorrect. > > git(1) is available on 9legacy too. > > But, after launching webcookies and then webfs, when trying to clone a > git repository, I have an error. > > With debugging on, say: > > term% git/clone -d https://

Re: [9fans] NIX this evening

On 3/8/25 03:03, tlaro...@kergis.com wrote: > On Fri, Mar 07, 2025 at 01:09:30PM -0600, Jacob Moody wrote: >> On 3/7/25 06:10, tlaro...@kergis.com wrote: >>> On Thu, Mar 06, 2025 at 03:47:42PM -0800, ron minnich wrote: >>>> thanks, Jacob. >>>> I'm go

Re: [9fans] Re: Need help explaining mouse gone crazy: HP DY651A/M-U0013-O

On 3/7/25 12:45, cigar562hfsp952f...@icebubble.org wrote: > No, I'm using the mice on Linux. I bought them when I installed Plan 9 > because they were on the recommended hardware list: > > https://plan9.io/wiki/plan9/Supported_PC_hardware/index.html > > I used them on 9front until I realized t

Re: [9fans] NIX this evening

could help improve the quality of nix in isolation. > > Also a nix/nix for scaffolding scripts (building a namespace---in the > case of a dedicated nix/ dir---, testing and so on). > Sure, that would be a help in maintaining nix in isolation but it won't rem

Re: [9fans] NIX this evening

On 3/6/25 15:07, ron minnich wrote: > Jacob re the rebase, thank you, it works in qemu and on my t420. > > I'm thinking to just set my 9front head to what you've done, push it to my > fork, and proceed from there. Do you see any reason not to?  Sure by all means. > > Where, ultimately, might w

Re: [9fans] NIX this evening

On 3/3/25 21:44, ron minnich wrote: > I am now able to run the HPC FTQ benchmark and get results, first time since > 2011.  > > The results are very, very good on my T420. Next step, see how it goes on a > server class machine. > > If anyone wants to help out, the rebase would be most welcome,

Re: [9fans] Antialised TrueType fonts

lementation and that's totally fine if you don't want to return to original truetypefs code. I just wanted to provide all of this context to not dissuade you from future work with the project and to give some context for how things work in 9front. Thank you, Jacob Moody > > Th

Re: [9fans] plan 9 for linux users

On 2/22/25 15:45, Alyssa M via 9fans wrote: > On Friday, February 21, 2025, at 11:14 PM, Dworkin Muller wrote: >> However, I'm talking about the scenario where you know absolutely nothing >> because you want to find out what this Plan 9 thing, and are starting from >> scratch trying to get an ini

Re: [9fans] plan 9 for linux users

On 2/21/25 17:14, Dworkin Muller wrote: > On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 15:03:11 -0600, Jacob Moody wrote: > moody> This is not quite the case though, /dev/drivers gives you a mapping of > the > moody> single character names to their "full" names. This name then > corr

Re: [9fans] plan 9 for linux users

On 2/21/25 14:45, Dworkin Muller wrote: > On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 12:21:45 +, Stuart Morrow > wrote: > morrow.stuart> How is it different from flags? > > Well, typically flags are specific to some command, and are documented > somewhere. Also, these get used as the first element in a path, and

Re: [9fans] Plan9/9front USB and UEFI

Is this on a recent kernel? Cinap did a bunch of work on USB this past December. If you're using the latest release (either you or tlaronde) then that has these changes. If you're running in to issues, you can set usbdebug= in plan9.ini to get diagnostic output on boot. so something like: usbdse

[9fans] Re: Plan9 [v]seprint(2) API design bug

On 2/9/25 17:05, Alejandro Colomar wrote: > [CC += 9fans@] > > Hi Jacob, > > On Sun, Feb 09, 2025 at 03:51:13PM -0600, Jacob Moody wrote: >> On 2/9/25 14:59, Alejandro Colomar wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I found a few addresses inspecting both th

Re: [9fans] git/rebase for someone used to git pull --rebase

On 2/7/25 15:11, ron minnich wrote: > I did try this > git/branch ron_nix > git/rebase remotes/front/front > > it ended very badly. Your understanding of remote/* is incorrect, run git/branch -a which will give you all of the remote/* branches as followed by your repo. When you git/pull -f, tho

Re: [9fans] git/rebase for someone used to git pull --rebase

On 2/7/25 10:23, ron minnich wrote: > what I'm used to > I'm on branch x > git pull --rebase origin main > > with 9front git > I'm on branch x > git/pull -f origin > git/rebase origin/heads/front > > That does not look right. Reading /bin/git/rebase, I almost think I want to do > git/branch heads

Re: [9fans] Question about rimport

On 1/30/25 11:14, Matt Wilbur wrote: > Hello All, > > I am trying to learn more about Plan 9 by forcing it into my day-to-day work > environment. > I work on embedded systems that I typically use over a serial connection.  I > have a 9front CPU server set up that is connected to a device using a

Re: [9fans] 9front in the browser (v86)

On 1/28/25 15:49, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > I stumbled onto this today and it made me chuckle. Performance isn't bad at > all. > > https://copy.sh/v86/?profile=9front > > It might be interesting to have a Plan 9 server on the backend to > import the '#l' from and to boot the term with user crede

Re: [9fans] 9front USB EFI Boot hang

On 1/27/25 11:34, Paul Lalonde wrote: > Hi,  >   I was trying to bring up 9front on another machine I have (Lenovo > Thinkstation P620 with a Threadripper Pro 3955WX), and I hang right after the > "boot\n" output of the EFI loader. > > Any suggestions on how to debug this?  Is there a simple way

Re: [9fans] /usr/src and /usr/ports not git directories ?

On 1/23/25 17:53, Warner Losh wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2025, 4:45 PM Jacob Moody <mailto:mo...@posixcafe.org>> wrote: > > On 1/23/25 16:49, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: > > Hello. > > > > Jacob Moody wrote in > >  <mailto

Re: [9fans] /usr/src and /usr/ports not git directories ?

On 1/23/25 16:49, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: > Hello. > > Jacob Moody wrote in > : > |On 1/22/25 23:37, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: > |> Tomoaki AOKI wrote in > |> <20250123074932.170b7959bca443a934599...@dec.sakura.ne.jp>: > |>|On Thu, 23 Jan 2025 0

Re: [9fans] Re: /usr/src and /usr/ports not git directories ?

On 1/22/25 23:37, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: > Tomoaki AOKI wrote in > <20250123074932.170b7959bca443a934599...@dec.sakura.ne.jp>: > |On Thu, 23 Jan 2025 07:40:50 +0900 > |Tomoaki AOKI wrote: > |> On Wed, 22 Jan 2025 14:31:56 -0700 > |> Warner Losh wrote: > |>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2025, 2:11 PM To

Re: 9vx vs qemu + 9pi or 9pc (was Re: [9fans] NIX experience)

On this note, 9front does have an arm64 qemu kernel which is designed specifically to be able to make use of the Hypervisor.framework available on modern macs and Linux KVM. The relevant pieces of the FQA are: https://fqa.9front.org/fqa3.html#3.3.1.1.1 This section also includes what is required

[9fans] History of aux/mnihongo

Hello, I recently have have working with aux/mnihongo for 9front and I was curious if anyone has some history on how it came to be and/or who wrote it originally. Thanks, moody -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T475385d

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

din garbage to "using AI to disincentivize open > discussion communities" > > On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 4:16 PM Jacob Moody <mailto:mo...@posixcafe.org>> wrote: > > > > > https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/critical-analysis-9front-community-conflict-vest

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

f misinformation would run rampant. I really expected better. - Moody On 5/17/24 09:14, Jacob Moody wrote: > https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/critical-analysis-9front-community-conflict-vester-thacker-htt3f/ > > This linked-in article is frankly disgusting, I suggest you take this > incorre

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/critical-analysis-9front-community-conflict-vester-thacker-htt3f/ This linked-in article is frankly disgusting, I suggest you take this incorrect garbage down. On 5/17/24 07:43, Samuel Reader via 9fans wrote: > It is only a first draft, and it is not a finished pr

Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9.

On 5/15/24 11:20, Don Bailey wrote: > > I have zero emotional attachment to Fossil. What I am asking for, not even > demanding, is a fact-based assessment of the asserted issue. Pointing at the > code is not an emotional attachment. It's literally the opposite. It's asking > to demonstrate and

Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9.

Thank you, I look forward to seeing your work then. On 5/15/24 11:21, Don Bailey wrote: > Sounds good. > > D > > > On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 12:19 PM Jacob Moody <mailto:mo...@posixcafe.org>> wrote: > > On 5/15/24 10:56, Don Bailey wrote: > > Yea

Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9.

On 5/15/24 10:57, hiro wrote: >> I don't understand the difference between code being included in the >> distribution and being "back in 9front". These are the same thing. If we >> ship code we maintain it. > > there are some exceptions :) I would like to see a list, that could should either be

Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9.

On 5/15/24 10:56, Don Bailey wrote: > Yeah but that's the thing... "explained in this list" works while the > discussion is being had. But searching for that and attempting to grok the > discussion and the context of discussion at a later date? Not so much. Some > centralized documentation shoul

Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9.

On 5/15/24 10:20, Don Bailey wrote: > This is part of the issue I've had with 9front. If there are valid reasons > for things to disappear or not be used, that's OK. But please document them > and provide rationale/evidence for their removal. That way, even if another > group chooses not to remo

Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9.

On 5/15/24 10:18, Lucio De Re wrote: > What makes you think I want Fossil back in 9front? I suggested that the > sources could be included in the distribution, so they would not fork-rot as > they are doing presently. I don't understand the difference between code being included in the distribu

Re: Clarifying Lucio's Additional Requests [Was: Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9. ]

On 5/15/24 09:18, Don Bailey wrote: > This thread is perhaps one of the best examples of the bizarre ecosystem that > Plan 9 has evolved (devolved?) into. While I have not always understood Vic's > choices, I was, in the past, aware of his /position/ at certain entities... > and provided him wit

Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9.

On 5/15/24 04:02, Lucio De Re wrote: > I have asked precisely NOTHING and have only pointed out the consequences of > omitting sources from the 9front distribution because it leads to undesirable > divisions. I'm just trying to correct the misinformation you stated. When you call the decision to

Re: Clarifying Lucio's Additional Requests [Was: Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9. ]

At this point I can't really tell if you're using some LLM to be ironic or if you actually think this junk is of any substance. I am not sure how you don't see this copy pasta garbage as anything else than a waste of everyone else's inbox and time. On 5/15/24 00:55, vic.thac...@fastmail.fm wrote

Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9.

On 5/14/24 23:46, Lucio De Re wrote: > If this comes across as a troll, keep in mind that it is your interpretation > that makes it so, a lesson we South Africans are still busy learning, at our > country's expense. > > I've got Fossil running under 9front; thanks to all those who prodded me (an

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

On 5/13/24 10:56, ibrahim via 9fans wrote: > > On Monday, 13 May 2024, at 4:39 PM, Jacob Moody wrote: >> Fine my dude, you don't have to call us Plan 9, you don't have to want to >> use our code. However I ask that you be mindful in how you talk to new users >&g

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

On 5/13/24 04:22, ibrahim via 9fans wrote: >> I would make a big difference between what plan 9 is and what the licenses >> are. Software doesn't care about licenses. People do (and they should!). >> >> So what is plan 9 even? Can we compare it to UNIX™ or unix or posix? Who >> knows... >> >> I g

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

On 5/13/24 06:56, ibrahim via 9fans wrote: > On Monday, 13 May 2024, at 1:11 PM, hiro wrote: >> i mean contributing to the plan9 team. i don't share in your discrimination >> of 9front vs. non9front code. i bet if all of us can be gainfully employed >> to work on "real plan9" we can all stop cont

Re: [9fans] one weird trick to break p9sk1 ?

usand dollars and a few days compute time (maybe less if using > cloud services) is enough for a full brute-force exploration of the > single-DES keyspace. I'm very glad we were able to communicate this and thank you for taking the time to talk about this here in this thread. Thank yo

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

On 5/13/24 00:45, ibrahim via 9fans wrote: > libttf was one example and because it made its way into 9legacy i inspected > it. > >> Are you implying that a majority of users are using Plan9 in a commercial >> setting? That seems a bit absurd. >> For personal use I think these license issues (if

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

On 5/12/24 22:52, ibrahim via 9fans wrote: > On Monday, 13 May 2024, at 5:09 AM, Jacob Moody wrote: >> When people suggest tossing that all out for a minimally patched 4e, I think >> some people rightfully feel a bit annoyed. That's a lot of baby that goes >> out with

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

On 5/12/24 20:46, Dan Cross wrote: > On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 9:33 PM wrote: >> I don't think this approach has ever worked in >> the open source world -- it always starts with >> someone building something useful. The vision >> and goal is defined by the work being done. >> >> After something usef

Re: [9fans] one weird trick to break p9sk1 ?

On 5/12/24 08:16, Richard Miller wrote: > I'm using a new subject [was: Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front] > in the hope of continuing discussion of the vulnerability of p9sk1 without > too many other distractions. > > mo...@posixcafe.org said: >> If we agree that: >> >> 1) p9sk1 allows th

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

I've gone ahead and made a repository[0] for an up to date fossil* for 9front. I didn't have to do more then clone the 4e repository, apply the 9legacy patches and type mk. Took all of 10 minutes. Testing is left as an exercise for the reader. * No warranty given or implied. [0] http://only9fans.c

Re: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front

On 5/11/24 14:59, Dan Cross wrote: > On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 3:36 PM hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> explanation of dp9ik, which while useful, only >>> addresses what (I believe) Richard was referring to in passing, simply >>> noting the small key size of DES and how the shared secret is >>> vul

Re: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front

For the sake of time I am going to just reply here after reading all of the existing thread On 5/10/24 03:17, Lucio De Re wrote: >> why don't you just let 9legacy die? > > You are not paying attention: I have a multi-gigabyte commitment to Fossil. I > am not convinced *I* could "just port" Fossi

Re: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front

On 5/10/24 05:58, Richard Miller wrote: >> From: o...@eigenstate.org >> ... >> keep in mind that it can literally be brute forced in an >> afternoon by a teenager; even a gpu isn't needed to do >> this in a reasonable amount of time. > > [citation needed] > Two people have independently broken t

Re: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front

On 5/8/24 11:06, Lucio De Re wrote: > There is much I would like to explain, but the problem I am attempting to > solve ought to have an obvious answer that I am clearly missing. > > I can't seem to get a 9front workstation to mount a networked 9legacy fossil > service. The FS is a fairly pristi

Re: [9fans] drawterm factotum interference in 9front

On 4/30/24 13:57, wb.kl...@gmail.com wrote: > BTW. I would like to see a way to build a drawterm without gui, as installing > X11 libs for nothing else than compiling a drawterm on a remote server is > annoying. My main application of  drawterm -g is exporting factotum from a > 9front system, as

Re: [9fans] VCS on Plan9

On 4/18/24 16:48, Shawn Rutledge wrote: > Interesting that it's Rust.  Just another reason to eventually have Rust on > Plan 9… Has anyone done any work on this? I know someone technically got stuff running using a webasm intermediate, but I am curious if anyone has scoped out what it would look

Re: [9fans] VCS on Plan9

On 4/18/24 10:54, certanan via 9fans wrote: > Hi, > > is there any more "organic/natural" way to do source control on today's Plan9 > (9front specifically), other than Ori's Git? > > In other words, how (if at all) did people at Bell Labs and the community > alike originally manage their contri

Re: [9fans] Re: Hello, RPi fixes and bind -b trouble

Responses in-line. On 2/23/24 06:12, Alyssa M via 9fans wrote: > (Lucio posted while I've been thinking/composing/trying things...) > > Thanks for putting up with me! No, thank you for your thoughts and helping test. > > I confess I've been thinking about this a bit more, as something about th

Re: [9fans] Re: Hello, RPi fixes and bind -b trouble

I apologize I had recalled incorrectly in my previous email on this topic. We had intentions of fixing this issue with v9fs but only half of the work was done. 9front changed that specific error in the kernel to suffix the filename instead of prefix the filename to A) be more consistent with users

Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]

On 1/25/24 17:38, Don A. Bailey wrote: > It’s telling that you see a difference of opinion as a temper tantrum. A > major problem with people’s perspective of 9front and the current plan 9 > community, honestly. I didn't see it as a tempter tantrum until you stopped replying in good faith and

Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]

On 1/25/24 16:03, Don A. Bailey wrote: > I’m aware you’re a member of the foundation. > > What I want I think I’ve made clear. I do not want to see a formal release of > Plan 9 that includes anything from the 9front project. I do not want 9front > merged with what I tongue-in-cheek term “mainlin

Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]

It doesn't matter if one is "mainline" or not, you've completely missed the point of my mail. One is usable and the other is not. One has a community, the other does not. One has people who share source, there other does not. Put your time where your mouth is and do something about the sorry sta

Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]

Do you have specific issues with our code? All I've seen is vague finger pointing. We don't need some authority to point at 9front and say its "mainline", people see where the effort is going, endorsement or not. On 1/25/24 10:44, Don Bailey wrote: > I'm not sure what all this was, so I didn't re

Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]

On 1/25/24 09:35, Don Bailey wrote: > Direction comes from people writing code... but you write code for 9front, > yes? What does that have to do with mainline Plan 9? And what does that have > to do with the direction set forth by the people that actually designed it?  There is no "path for pat

Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]

On 1/24/24 19:53, Don A. Bailey wrote: > Tbf I took it as genuine. > > One reason I responded with no is that Rob noted that further 9 releases > should not be a release at all, but should be fluid updates through the > network. I think if 9 lives on it should be that was, as intended. I have

Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks

On 1/24/24 14:28, Michael Grunditz wrote: > I have looked at the reform code and I like how it is done. I think that it > would be easy to use for porting 9legacy or in fact any system. But it is > more work than a recompile. > > Michael It is certainly not drag and drop. Getting the arm64 com

Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks

On 1/24/24 09:47, alex...@posteo.de wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I would like to know which hardware (apart from the hardware listed here: > https://plan9.io/wiki/plan9/Supported_PC_hardware/index.html > ) is supported > by Plan 9. I

Re: [9fans] programs from UNI*x

On 6/28/23 10:09, arn...@skeeve.com wrote: > I'd love to know if gawk can be made to work on Plan 9. > Latest release is at https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gawk/ > > Or you can clone the git repo. > > Thanks, > > Arnold whats the issue with the awk we already have? --

Re: [9fans] How do I build from source on linux?

On 6/15/23 12:46, dusan3...@gmail.com wrote: > Research Research of what exactly? You've already seemingly written off the interface. To quote utah2000: "New employees in our lab now bring their world with them, or expect it to be there when they arrive. That's reasonable, but there was a time

Re: [9fans] access files from 9front to Linux on the same laptop (2 harddrives).

On 6/12/23 09:29, pl...@room3420.net wrote: > > Hello :) > > Let's say I have 2 computers. > I can "sshfs" from 9front to mount the distant (Linux) folders to /n/ssh. > > Let's say now that I have 2 SSD on my laptop. > One with 9front, that boots automatically and one with > Linux, that I can oc

Re: [9fans] Wifi Firmware "does not exist", but it does.

On 4/10/23 08:07, Ravi Raj wrote: > Hi > > I believe the mentioned step in your reply is for systems with a local disk. > > I am using live USB with hjfs. Explain to me then how your usb install boots a kernel without a 9fat. You likely have an incorrect assumption here. But I don't know, you ma

Re: [9fans] Wifi Firmware "does not exist", but it does.

On 4/3/23 10:56, Ravi Raj wrote: > Hi > > Is recompiling kernel same as installing new kernel ? > > What is the command to recompile the kernel? https://fqa.9front.org/fqa5.html#5.2.2 https://fqa.9front.org/fqa7.html#7.2.5 -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: htt

Re: [9fans] Wifi Firmware "does not exist", but it does.

dures. > I will not give instructions because I do not want to endorse or support a setup like this. If you are choosing to not listen to my advice then you are on your own. Good Luck! Jacob Moody -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/g

Re: [9fans] Wifi Firmware "does not exist", but it does.

On 3/23/23 10:15, Ravi Raj wrote: > Hi > > Do not have additional hardware (spare workstation). > > Can i create a persistence to store the settings(which remains in live USB > between reboots)? > > Thanks > rraj Using a USB stick as a root filesystem is not something I would recommend. If you

Re: [9fans] temp of remote machine with stats

On 3/22/23 22:15, jimeric...@gmail.com wrote: > i spoke to soon. it works perfectly on my amd64 machines but not on my > raspberry pi 4. what could i be doing wrong? or is the pi missing something? A quick grep seems to indicate that devarch was never implemented for the bcm64 kernel.

Re: [9fans] temp of remote machine with stats

On 3/22/23 18:39, jimeric...@gmail.com wrote: > i am using stats to monitor a remote machine i have. i can get all the stats > except temp. i have 'bind -a '#P' /dev' in lib/profile on both machines. how > can i get the temp of the remote machine? thank you for your time. > *9fans

Re: [9fans] Wifi Firmware "does not exist", but it does.

On 3/22/23 11:14, Ravi Raj wrote: > Hi > Facing a similar issue with intel wireless firmware 7265, on Thinkpad E450. > Plan to use 9front as live usb to learn. > Found firmware @ > https://github.com/OpenIntelWireless/itlwm/blob/master/itlwm/firmware/iwm-7265-17 > >

Re: [9fans] Wifi Firmware "does not exist", but it does.

On 3/21/23 05:24, Yury Chumak wrote: > Same situation with the same wifi-card. > % pci -v I don't believe the situation is the same. You are unable to associate with the access point, which was not the same issue as our other friend here. > ... > 3.0.0: net 02.80.00 8086/08b1 4 0:a314 8192 >

Re: [9fans] Wifi Firmware "does not exist", but it does.

On 3/21/23 00:08, zxcdew...@gmail.com wrote: > Ok...I recompiled the kernel...and I am getting this message... > >> #l1: firmware:  iwm-7260-17, rev 11, build 3216344376, size [3] 14000+2c000 >> + [3] 14000+2c000 + 0 >> iwl: no calibration results > > I then try the following...but get no result

Re: [9fans] USB drive boot hangs

On 3/20/23 12:04, Ravi Raj wrote: > Hi Jacob > > Looks like 9front is subset of plan9? > It is a fork. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Te9a4a2ad5a90ee13-M1a54d5b70c0e626b8a078ed5 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbo

Re: [9fans] USB drive boot hangs

On 3/20/23 09:37, Ravi Raj wrote: > Hi > > Any clues? > > Thanks > rraj If you want hardware compatibility, 9front may be a better choice for what you're trying to do. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Te9a4a2ad5a90ee1

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