On 5/13/24 00:45, ibrahim via 9fans wrote: > libttf was one example and because it made its way into 9legacy i inspected > it. > >> Are you implying that a majority of users are using Plan9 in a commercial >> setting? That seems a bit absurd. >> For personal use I think these license issues (if they do even exist) are of >> no concern. I think you are greatly >> exaggerating the possible issue here for your average user. > > I could tell you about more than two dozens of projects alone at german > universities where plan9 was used in medical sensor devices. Calling > something absurd which lies beyond your experience gives reason enough to not > name any of those projects.
You didn't read closely enough. I was calling your assumption that our new user was going to attempt to sell Plan 9 commercially absurd. I didn't say anything about there not being any commercial appliances, just that your scenario is not common for the people here. >> Again, I think in your situation of distributing hardware with plan 9 or >> whatever, then it makes sense to do whatever your lawyer says. >> I think advising against using 9front for every user on these grounds though >> is misleading at best. > > Its not the lawyer who is responsible to avoid copyright issues its the duty > of the developer. Not the lawyer gets sued but the one who distributes the > system. A lawyer really should be the one who is legally interpreting the obligations of any licensing. > > Everyone is free to use 9front. But I won't use 9front for a distributed > system because I don't have the legal certainty as with plan9. I know who > developed plan9 and I know that Nokia owned it before they relicensed it. But > I don't this trust in 9front code. And so I wouldn't advise others who make > use of plan9 in ways like I do to use 9front. > >> Do you also remove the Lucida and printer fonts? These were released as part >> of the original source but have interesting claims as to the ability to >> redistribute them. >> Do you also strip out the parts of ape that include ancient GNU utilities? >> Are you running your system without a diff and patch? > > Of course I removed all fonts from the system. I have my own font library > with scaleable vector fonts based on caligraphy. As I stated before I removed > any GNU utilities ghostview postscript page and all tools which have clearly > GPL licenses are removed. Patch and diff are replaced with BSD licensed > versions taken from OpenBSD. > > Those are the rules. > >> And Java runs on a billion devices. > > And I can't distribute Java, Linux, commercial operating systems because > those can't be distributed as you please their licenses don't allow > distribution as the MIT license does. You missed the joke. I was making fun of your bragging because you implicated more installs equated to higher quality. >> I'm quite curious as to your definition of "professional" in one where none >> of the work done by 9front would be seen as beneficial. > > I can assure you I respect your fork and the state you reached. Professional > use as a distributed operating system needs legal certainty. If you include > code from sources and I use your fork than I am the one who is doomed not you > because you are no legal entity. I have to make sure that my distributions > has no legal issues. The way you answer to such licensing problems makes > clear you don't care about them and take the issue lightly. I was trying to communicate that for the purposes of using hardware made this millennia (as any "professional" would do), 9front clearly has better code for doing so. I trust that the licensing in 9front has been handled correctly. ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tcf128fa955b8aafc-M6f8de0e3da3e27ff3391a2ad Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
