Re: [techtalk] SuSE -> Mandrake?
> If you really want a more correct distro, perhaps you should > look at the latest Debian when it comes out. I intend to. Maybe > then those howto's will work for me. I switched (from redhat) and am hereby converted to debian (until I find something better). I should have listened to a good friend when he suggested it in the first place :o) I installed mandrake (as I've said before) once and have vowed to never do so again. I don't think the comments made about it were *too* harsh, maybe a little more than I would say but not all that bad ;o) Debian is much harder to install than redhat or mandrake, though, if you've never done it before. The installer gives you a basic system, network (if you're easy cheesy lan-style), and asks you what you want to do next (it's been a couple weeks, forgive me if I forget something here). Potato will be a sweet distribution when it's released :o) I don't use a lot of howtos except for diagnosing problems I've already tried to fix, like with the sound howto, so I'm not sure how far 'off' it is. I could probably tell you if you give me a sample one to look at :o) -nicole -- http://colby.dhs.org @ Colby - me! http://ghettobox.dhs.org \|/ ghettoBOX - home! http://nightspell.dhs.org | NightSpell - irc.dal.net! http://technopagan.dhs.org / \ TechnoPagan - spirituality! Entropy just isn't what it used to be. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] SuSE -> Mandrake?
On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, you wrote: > 686 optimized binaries would take up less space -- libraries >would be smaller -- fewer instructions to accomplish the same task. The >analogy with energy is flawed. We are talking space. Space can be >conserved using more efficient instructions to accomplish the same >task -- like going from the 8085 to the 8086, >the heart of a string move went down to 1 instruction with a prefix. >Previously you'd have to maintain a counter, mov mem ->reg, mov reg->mem, >increment pointers, do a compare and conditional jmp. The heart of a string move went down to 1 instruction with a prefix... But around the time of the '486, it became faster to roll your own loops instead of using LOOP, and to avoid using the string instructions except for MOVS. A lot of the compiler optimisations are probably geared towards generating a more optimal instruction mix for a certain processor, not just taking advantage of new instructions. My gcc doesn't seem to support pentium optimisations, but compiling a small test program for a 486 versus 386 increased the size slightly. Are you sure 686 optimized binaries get smaller? TTFN Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
[techtalk] Squid config
I am trying to configure Squid to work on my system for web caching. I followed the document QUICKSTART that came with the source. My domainname is a private domain name. When I try to start squid I get the following error message: -- (0)root@myhost:~ => /usr/local/squid/bin/squid -z 2000/02/15 07:42:09| parse_peer: token='[proxy-only]' FATAL: Bungled squid.conf line 216: cache_peer myhost.mydomain.com parent3128 3130 [proxy-only] Squid Cache (Version 2.3.STABLE1): Terminated abnormally. CPU Usage: 0.000 seconds = 0.000 user + 0.000 sys Maximum Resident Size: 0 KB Page faults with physical i/o: 302 -- The cache_peer values have the following settings. cache_peer myhost.mydomain.com parent3128 3130 [proxy-only] cache_peer myhost1.mydomain.com sibling 3128 3130 [proxy-only] cache_peer myhost2.mydomain.com sibling 3128 3130 [proxy-only] cache_peer myhost3.mydomain.com sibling 3128 3130 [proxy-only] cache_peer myhost4.mydomain.com sibling 3128 3130 [proxy-only] I don't know if this is the right setting for cache_peer. Any input from squid admins appreciated. Thank you. Subba Rao [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pws.prserv.net/truemax/ => Time is relative. Here is a new way to look at time. <= http://www.smcinnovations.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] career/family question
:) Strange topic for techtalk but... --- Rik Hemsley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > #if Tania M. Morell > > used to that in no time at all. As it is, I wish > I could afford that > > now for myself. I'm a Unix SysAdmin now, and with > all the learning and > > work I have ahead of me, I hate wasting my little > time on laundry, > > cooking, and cleaning. It's a pain. > > All this learning ahead of you will probably > include: > > 1) Learning that you can get away with not ironing > clothes if you're >careful in your choice of material and remember > not to sleep in >them. > :( Not so happy to admit... sometimes I do sleep in my clothes. And I think I've taken out the ironing board 3 times in the last 10 months and that was for job interviews. ..(It was a programmers habit too, I guess) That and I'm the least vain person I know. *no makeup* *I hate shopping for clothes* If I didn't feel unladylike going grunge all the time, I would. > 2) Leaning that cooking is something they do on TV. > Sysadmins don't >watch TV, so by day we have a liquid lunch. By > night we eat whatever >will come to us, which usually means the curry > house that's open >latest. > I cook to save money and to keep from blowing up like a baloon.. I mostly have breakfast in a can, though, but lately it's been McDonald's #3 with orange juice. h .. yummy. > 3) Learning that cleanliness is next to impossible. > If it weren't for my dog and my parrot, I'd object. > 4) Learning that 'killall' works differently on Real > Unices. > huh? > Rik > > p.s. :P > > -- > Dip into nihilism. > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org > > = Tania Morell [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.shadow.net/~tania __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
[techtalk] ICQ client
Anybody know of a good ICQ client to use with RedHat? Siobhan ...Normal is what cuts off your sixth finger and your tail... http://www.virulent.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] Men are from Earth. Women are from Earth. Deal with it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] SuSE -> Mandrake?
Hey Glen, On Mon, 14 Feb 2000, GJS wrote: > I don't think you'll find Mandrake's file system any more > "correct" than what you already have. I base that on the fact > that, 9 times out of 10, when I try to do something from a > howto, it doesn't work. (I'm sure it's nothing *I'm* doing > wrong. ;->) This is b/c they follow the redhat standard, which isn't really a standard. For programs they are 'other parties products' generally the make files are setup to use '/usr/local'. RH, and subsequently Mandrake throw most of these config files into /etc. Since there is no technical standard, a proposed one, Everyone does something a little different. Hopefully this will change in the near future. For example, RH now uses the single file "httpd.conf" for apache instead of their less conventional 3 config files. So, hopefully that means that they are starting to come around. FileSystem Standards are a big problem with 'newbies' who prefer to use RPM as opposed to self compiliation. I'm not slighting anyone for this, I quite often use RPM for base programs where it's less time consuming. > > For me, the biggest problem with Mandrake is the very fact that > it is optimized. Although I've generally found that Redhat apps > work fine on Mandrake, some won't--only the Mandrake version > will work (KDE is the most notable example). I know there are > certain system files that also fit into this category. That > means you have to wait for Mandrake to update the files--you > can't slap in any rpm or tarball. You may find this limiting. That is the whole problem with RPM's. If you don't feel comfortable compiling it yourself then you're pretty much at the mercy of the updated RPM. A great case in point is OpenSSL. When the upgrade came out it was a few days before the RPM was posted, what if it were a few months? You will greatly benefit from learning the way around you File System structure. Try compiling a few small programs to get the feel and slowly move up to installing new libs and such. > If you really want a more correct distro, perhaps you should > look at the latest Debian when it comes out. I intend to. Maybe > then those howto's will work for me. I can't agree with you more. Although I use RH myself. Harry [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] ICQ client
- Original Message - From: "siobhan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 4:31 PM Subject: [techtalk] ICQ client >Anybody know of a good ICQ client to use with RedHat? My favourite is GnomeICU (http://gnomeicu.gdev.net/)...you have to have the GTK stuff installed for it, but it's pretty good. There is a KDE one called kicq, which looks startlingly like the Windows client. There is review of Linux ICQ clients at http://www.portup.com/~gyandl/icq/ which certainly has mini-writeups of these two, plus some others...a friend of mine swears by (or is it at?) licq, for instance... David [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] ICQ client
> My favourite is GnomeICU (http://gnomeicu.gdev.net/)...you have to have the > GTK stuff installed for it, but it's pretty good. There is a KDE one called > kicq, which looks startlingly like the Windows client. > > There is review of Linux ICQ clients at http://www.portup.com/~gyandl/icq/ > which certainly has mini-writeups of these two, plus some others...a friend > of mine swears by (or is it at?) licq, for instance... at if you try to follow their documentation from licq.org (com?) ;o) I use licq, I like it once it's installed and configured ok. I think the latest version makes it a little easier to get going but I'm not sure if there is an rpm. -nicole -- http://colby.dhs.org @ Colby - me! http://ghettobox.dhs.org \|/ ghettoBOX - home! http://nightspell.dhs.org | NightSpell - irc.dal.net! http://technopagan.dhs.org / \ TechnoPagan - spirituality! Entropy just isn't what it used to be. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
RE: [techtalk] ICQ client
licq :) you can snag it at http://www.licq.com -Sally -Original Message- From: siobhan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 10:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [techtalk] ICQ client Anybody know of a good ICQ client to use with RedHat? Siobhan ...Normal is what cuts off your sixth finger and your tail... http://www.virulent.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] Men are from Earth. Women are from Earth. Deal with it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] ICQ client
siobhan wrote: > >Anybody know of a good ICQ client to use with RedHat? > My personal preference is gtkicq. I love a good gtk theme with custom icons. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] SuSE -> Mandrake?
> My gcc doesn't seem to support pentium optimisations, but compiling a small > test program for a 486 versus 386 increased the size slightly. Are you sure > 686 optimized binaries get smaller? --- I picked the /usr/X11R6/bin directory for my test. There were 384 files that both distros had in common. 208 of these were the same size. I added the file sizes /distro and added 1 to the smaller distro's app count. My results: MDK: 18265904, 52 SSE: 22516638, 124 What does it mean: SSE had more files that were smaller, but overall SSE's total byte count was about 20-25% greater than MDK's. Both were running V11.0 of X (as shown by xdpyinfo). Ya know, this is a religious war, which I didn't ask for. I didn't ask for a relative comparison of distro's since each person is going to have their favorites. What I asked for was how would be the easiest way to convert which most did not address. Is this a case of "I gotta say something. I don't know the answer to her question. I'll pipe up about a different topic instead and tell her why she shouldn't change distros so I won't have to answer the question she asked." It appears the answer to my question is that there is no easier way than what I came up with -- which is still a relative pain. sigh, -linda [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] ICQ client
there is an rpm available at rpmfind. rav3n On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Nicole Zimmerman wrote: > > at if you try to follow their documentation from licq.org (com?) ;o) > > I use licq, I like it once it's installed and configured ok. I think the > latest version makes it a little easier to get going but I'm not sure if > there is an rpm. > > -nicole > > -- > http://colby.dhs.org @ Colby - me! > http://ghettobox.dhs.org \|/ ghettoBOX - home! > http://nightspell.dhs.org | NightSpell - irc.dal.net! > http://technopagan.dhs.org / \ TechnoPagan - spirituality! > Entropy just isn't what it used to be. > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org > Raven Brooke 12:30pm up 19:58, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] career/family question
#if Tania Morell > :) Strange topic for techtalk but... [...] > :( Not so happy to admit... sometimes I do sleep in > my clothes. And I think I've taken out the ironing > board 3 times in the last 10 months and that was for > job interviews. ..(It was a programmers habit too, I > guess) That and I'm the least vain person I know. *no > makeup* *I hate shopping for clothes* If I didn't > feel unladylike going grunge all the time, I would. I like looking grungy. Um, well maybe that's my excuse. Here we have homeless people selling 'The Big Issue' on the street. They ignore me, presumably because they think I'm worse off than them. [...] > > 4) Learning that 'killall' works differently on Real > > Unices. > > > > huh? Ok, we're back to techtalk :) 'huh' is what I said when I become one of the elite club known as 'Those Who Accidentally Typed killall.' (guess what that is as an acronym ;) My first sysadmin job, I was sitting in front of a user's Wyse term, talking to another senior IT person sitting next to me. I typed 'killall -9 some_process_name' and nothing happened. "You just watch," I joked. "All the terminals will go off now." How right I was. 100 people turned around and looked at me. I spent the next 20 minutes standing in front of the room-sized DG-UX machine, watching the console with my fingers crossed, waiting for it to come back up. My boss and all the IT staff were stood behind me, looking through the glass. How much more embarassing can you get ? Rik -- Cannibalise. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] ICQ client
I like everybuddy (http://www.everybuddy.com). It does AIM and Yahoo also. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] SuSE -> Mandrake?
You know Linda, You're absolutely right. I did not make an attempt to answer the question which defeated the purpose of asking. Sorry about that. I guess that one of the most important things to start with is the general differences in configs. Where are they stored. Ie -> is something like mgetty stored in /etc/mgetty on MD and /usr/local/mgetty on Suse. It could potentially get very confusing and I would probably suggest backing up the current Suse box, installing from scratch the MD system and then going in by hand and replacing configs and libs where they need to go. Hopefully there will be only slight differences between the two. If I can offer any more help pls. let me know. I didn't want to cause a 'flame or holy war' I just didn't want someone to fire up Mandrake and not realize what possible problems could occur. Regards, Harry On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Linda Walsh wrote: > > > My gcc doesn't seem to support pentium optimisations, but compiling a small > > test program for a 486 versus 386 increased the size slightly. Are you sure > > 686 optimized binaries get smaller? > --- > I picked the /usr/X11R6/bin directory for my test. There were 384 > files that both distros had in common. 208 of these were the same size. > I added the file sizes /distro and added 1 to the smaller distro's app count. > My results: > > MDK: 18265904, 52 > SSE: 22516638, 124 > > What does it mean: SSE had more files that were smaller, but overall > SSE's total byte count was about 20-25% greater than MDK's. Both were > running V11.0 of X (as shown by xdpyinfo). > > Ya know, this is a religious war, which I didn't ask for. I > didn't ask for a relative comparison of distro's since each person is > going to have their favorites. What I asked for was how would be the > easiest way to convert which most did not address. Is this a case > of "I gotta say something. I don't know the answer to her question. > I'll pipe up about a different topic instead and tell her why she > shouldn't change distros so I won't have to answer the question she > asked." It appears the answer to my question is that there is no > easier way than what I came up with -- which is still a relative pain. > > sigh, > -linda > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] SuSE -> Mandrake?
actuall, I downlaoded the source from apache and rebuilt it from scratch for our webserver at work and it generates one httpd.conf file. Maybe apache uses one file, not just redhat's apache. Stewart - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [techtalk] SuSE -> Mandrake? > Hey Glen, > > On Mon, 14 Feb 2000, GJS wrote: > > > I don't think you'll find Mandrake's file system any more > > "correct" than what you already have. I base that on the fact > > that, 9 times out of 10, when I try to do something from a > > howto, it doesn't work. (I'm sure it's nothing *I'm* doing > > wrong. ;->) > This is b/c they follow the redhat standard, which isn't really a > standard. For programs they are 'other parties products' generally the > make files are setup to use '/usr/local'. RH, and subsequently Mandrake > throw most of these config files into /etc. Since there is no technical > standard, a proposed one, Everyone does something a little different. > Hopefully this will change in the near future. For example, RH now uses > the single file "httpd.conf" for apache instead of their less conventional > 3 config files. So, hopefully that means that they are starting to come > around. FileSystem Standards are a big problem with 'newbies' who prefer > to use RPM as opposed to self compiliation. I'm not slighting anyone for > this, I quite often use RPM for base programs where it's less time > consuming. > > > > > For me, the biggest problem with Mandrake is the very fact that > > it is optimized. Although I've generally found that Redhat apps > > work fine on Mandrake, some won't--only the Mandrake version > > will work (KDE is the most notable example). I know there are > > certain system files that also fit into this category. That > > means you have to wait for Mandrake to update the files--you > > can't slap in any rpm or tarball. You may find this limiting. > That is the whole problem with RPM's. If you don't feel comfortable > compiling it yourself then you're pretty much at the mercy of the updated > RPM. A great case in point is OpenSSL. When the upgrade came out it was a > few days before the RPM was posted, what if it were a few months? You will > greatly benefit from learning the way around you File System structure. > Try compiling a few small programs to get the feel and slowly move up to > installing new libs and such. > > > If you really want a more correct distro, perhaps you should > > look at the latest Debian when it comes out. I intend to. Maybe > > then those howto's will work for me. > I can't agree with you more. Although I use RH myself. > Harry > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] ICQ client
On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, David Elliott wrote: > > >Anybody know of a good ICQ client to use with RedHat? > > My favourite is GnomeICU (http://gnomeicu.gdev.net/)...you have to have the > GTK stuff installed for it, but it's pretty good. There is a KDE one called > kicq, which looks startlingly like the Windows client. > > There is review of Linux ICQ clients at http://www.portup.com/~gyandl/icq/ > which certainly has mini-writeups of these two, plus some others...a friend > of mine swears by (or is it at?) licq, for instance... > I just installed GnomeICU two days ago, and like it so far. It was surprisingly easy, and I am very new to Linux. It doesn't quite have ALL the goodies that ICQ itself has, but it seems to do the job. Amy Clayborn BPS Internet 765-664-4447 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] career/family question
> > > 4) Learning that 'killall' works differently on > Real > > > Unices. > > > > > > > huh? > > Ok, we're back to techtalk :) > > 'huh' is what I said when I become one of the elite > club > known as 'Those Who Accidentally Typed killall.' > (guess > what that is as an acronym ;) > > My first sysadmin job, I was sitting in front of a > user's > Wyse term, talking to another senior IT person > sitting next > to me. I typed 'killall -9 some_process_name' and > nothing > happened. > > "You just watch," I joked. "All the terminals will > go off > now." > > How right I was. 100 people turned around and looked > at > me. > > I spent the next 20 minutes standing in front of the > room-sized DG-UX machine, watching the console with > my fingers crossed, waiting for it to come back up. > > My boss and all the IT staff were stood behind me, > looking > through the glass. > > How much more embarassing can you get ? Something similar happened to a programmer friend of mine. He pulled a plug thinking it belonged to a printer and it actually belonged to a server. Dozens of people couldn't get any work done while the system came back up. As I understand it, this took quite a while and he was extremely embarrased over it. > > Rik > It really is very hard to decipher who is male and female by their name. Some names are not so obvious. Sorry about this but if you had spelled your name with a 'c', I may have assumed one thing. > -- > Cannibalise. > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org > > = Tania Morell [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.shadow.net/~tania __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] career/family question
On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Tania Morell wrote: > > Rik > > > > It really is very hard to decipher who is male and > female by their name. Some names are not so obvious. > Sorry about this but if you had spelled your name with > a 'c', I may have assumed one thing. why does it matter who's male, female, or other? I'd have to say that one of my personal goals as a feminist is to have gender not matter at all... but some of you seem to feel differently. can you explain why? shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] ICQ client
Hi! I just downloaded everybuddy yesterday... I haven't messed with it enough yet to have exhausted all options, but is there some special way to add icq contacts? I've tried just typing in numbers, but it doesn't seem to work -- people i know are online don't show up. Thanks, kait >From: Laurel Fan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [techtalk] ICQ client >Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:04:44 -0500 (EST) > >I like everybuddy (http://www.everybuddy.com). It does AIM and Yahoo also. > > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org > __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] SuSE -> Mandrake?
Hey Stewart, RH just started using the one config file (apache has been using it for the past 2 releases), it was recently updated on their ftp server. Before then they used the 3 file schema (httpd.conf,srm.conf, access.conf). This was one of the first things that came to mind. Over on the IMP mailing list this has alot of new people confused. They are using an unupdated rpm and have 3 conf files instead of one. On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Stewart Larsen wrote: > actuall, I downlaoded the source from apache and rebuilt it from scratch for > our webserver at work and it generates one httpd.conf file. Maybe apache > uses one file, not just redhat's apache. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] career/family question
Some of us could be complex computer programs living on a kick ass server connected to an OC-12. Woo hoo! AIs make the best h4X0rs! ;) On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, srl wrote: > On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Tania Morell wrote: > > > > Rik > > > > > > > It really is very hard to decipher who is male and > > female by their name. Some names are not so obvious. > > Sorry about this but if you had spelled your name with > > a 'c', I may have assumed one thing. > > why does it matter who's male, female, or other? I'd have to say > that one of my personal goals as a feminist is to have gender > not matter at all... but some of you seem to feel differently. > can you explain why? > > shane > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org > Bad Mojo ICQ:4722638|AIM:BadMojo000|http://www.rps.net/mojo "When I need to I hit people with the largest weapon I can find: the Earth." [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] ICQ client
Excerpts from linuxchix: 15-Feb-100 Re: [techtalk] ICQ client by "kait mahar"@hotmail.com > Hi! I just downloaded everybuddy yesterday... I haven't messed with it > enough yet to have exhausted all options, but is there some special > way to add icq contacts? I've tried just typing in numbers, but > it doesn'tseem to work -- people i know are online don't show up. It works for me... one thing to look out for: in the add dialog box, the default for protocol is AIM, so make sure you change it to ICQ when adding ICQ contacts. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] career/family question
This is more a topic for grrltalk or issues, but it matters not whether (as someone stated not too long ago, and I must steal now) your gentalia points inward or outward. On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Tania Morell wrote: > > Rik > > > > It really is very hard to decipher who is male and > female by their name. Some names are not so obvious. > Sorry about this but if you had spelled your name with > a 'c', I may have assumed one thing. why does it matter who's male, female, or other? I'd have to say that one of my personal goals as a feminist is to have gender not matter at all... but some of you seem to feel differently. can you explain why? shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] career/family question
#if Tania Morell > It really is very hard to decipher who is male and > female by their name. Some names are not so obvious. > Sorry about this but if you had spelled your name with > a 'c', I may have assumed one thing. The name on my birth certificate is 'Richard Mark', but I've been Rik since I can remember. According to the definitions I've just read, I'm male by sex and female by gender. Not that I have any inclination to become female sexually, but I'm definitely more feminine than masculine, going by the general definitions. I'm also bi, so basically in my own little world, sex + gender are kind of blurred. Rik -- Repurpose symbols of power. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] career/family question
Hey everyone, this needs to be moved to either issues or grrltalk... Thanks! Some of us could be complex computer programs living on a kick ass server connected to an OC-12. Woo hoo! AIs make the best h4X0rs! ;) On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, srl wrote: > On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Tania Morell wrote: > > > > Rik > > > > > > > It really is very hard to decipher who is male and > > female by their name. Some names are not so obvious. > > Sorry about this but if you had spelled your name with > > a 'c', I may have assumed one thing. > > why does it matter who's male, female, or other? I'd have to say > that one of my personal goals as a feminist is to have gender > not matter at all... but some of you seem to feel differently. > can you explain why? > > shane > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org > Bad Mojo ICQ:4722638|AIM:BadMojo000|http://www.rps.net/mojo "When I need to I hit people with the largest weapon I can find: the Earth." [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] career/family question
Hey Shane, Tania, I would have to be in agreement with you both. Gender has almost nothing to do with anything. Especially on a mailing list. I always try to stick with a first name, make's it feel a little more personal, and also try to address the audience as 'all' instead of "Mr., Mrs., Ms.,etc". Personally it doesn't matter much to me, but then my name normally is associated with "dirty old men" and not gender indifference. ;-) Regards, Harry On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, srl wrote: > On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Tania Morell wrote: > > > > Rik > > > > > > > It really is very hard to decipher who is male and > > female by their name. Some names are not so obvious. > > Sorry about this but if you had spelled your name with > > a 'c', I may have assumed one thing. > > why does it matter who's male, female, or other? I'd have to say > that one of my personal goals as a feminist is to have gender > not matter at all... but some of you seem to feel differently. > can you explain why? > > shane > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
[techtalk] reading cookies in IE5 w/ python
help! is there anyone out there that knows how to read IE5 cookies using python. i tried this approach but IE5 does not appear to have an environment variable called HTTP_COOKIE. --code-- import os, cgi, Cookie c = Cookie.Cookie() try: c.load(os.environ["HTTP_COOKIE"]) except KeyError: pass --error- Traceback (innermost last): File "SM/safeexec.py", line 48, in safeexec func() File "/usr/local/smn/smurph2/current/redirect.py", line 76, in main c.load(os.environ["HTTP_COOKIE"]) File "/usr/local/lib/python1.5/UserDict.py", line 14, in __getitem__ def __getitem__(self, key): return self.data[key] KeyError: HTTP_COOKIE -tricia #--- Tricia Bowen Applications Engineer Starmedia Network v: 212.520.6469 m: 917.578.3425 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] Squid config
Subba Rao wrote: > The cache_peer values have the following settings. > > cache_peer myhost.mydomain.com parent3128 3130 [proxy-only] > cache_peer myhost1.mydomain.com sibling 3128 3130 [proxy-only] > cache_peer myhost2.mydomain.com sibling 3128 3130 [proxy-only] > cache_peer myhost3.mydomain.com sibling 3128 3130 [proxy-only] > cache_peer myhost4.mydomain.com sibling 3128 3130 [proxy-only] > > I don't know if this is the right setting for cache_peer. > Any input from squid admins appreciated. I haven't configured squid myself, and my squid admin (aka husband) happens to be off at a spec meeting for a couple of days. But: 1. I assume you understand proxy peering (that your proxy goes to the peers, if they have the relevent page, rather than the page source) and intend to use it? 2. You don't /really/ have 'myhost.mydomain.com' in your actual config file, do you? You've replaced that with the address of your intended parent and sibling proxies, haven't you? 3. If you don't want peer proxies, comment the lines out. Jenn V. -- "We're repairing the coolant loop of a nuclear fusion reactor. This is women's work!" Helix, Freefall. http://www.purrsia.com/freefall/ Jenn Vesperman[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.simegen.com/~jenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] career/family question
Is curiosity a good enough reason? (: And if gender doesn't matter, what fun would going to a swimming pool be? heh. C Dale On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, srl wrote: > On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Tania Morell wrote: > > > > Rik > > > > > > > It really is very hard to decipher who is male and > > female by their name. Some names are not so obvious. > > Sorry about this but if you had spelled your name with > > a 'c', I may have assumed one thing. > > why does it matter who's male, female, or other? I'd have to say > that one of my personal goals as a feminist is to have gender > not matter at all... but some of you seem to feel differently. > can you explain why? > > shane > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org > Cynthia J. Dale Technical Engineer/FAQ maintainer Red Hat, Inc. fnord. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] reading cookies in IE5 w/ python
Excerpts from linuxchix: 15-Feb-100 [techtalk] reading cookies .. by
Tricia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> is there anyone out there that knows how to read IE5 cookies using python.
> i tried this approach but IE5 does not appear to have an environment
> variable called HTTP_COOKIE.
I don't know the answer to your question, but when I was doing cgi, I
wrote a simple C program to dump out all of the env variables
(appended). It might help to compile it and run it as a cgi on your own
server (I do have it running at
http://enchant.res.cmu.edu/cgi-bin/getenv, but it'll be different for
you if you're not using the same web server as I am). It shouldn't be
difficult to write something similar in python, either.
- dumpenv.c -
#include
int main(int argc, char *argv[], char *envp[])
{
char *s;
int i=0;
fprintf(stdout, "Content-type: text/html\n\n");
while(envp[i]){
fprintf(stdout, "%s\n", envp[i]);
i++;
}
}
- dumpenv.c -
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RE: [techtalk] career/family question
Unfortunately gender does matter. In 1972 I received a draft notice to go to Viet Nam (lucky lottery winner...lol). Seems they misspelled my name. Being (obviously) female did not matter and I had to have a genetic work up done to prove that I was indeed a female. My birth certificate was not accepted either. So much for living in this mans' world. Davida -Original Message- From: Cynthia Dale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 2:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [techtalk] career/family question Is curiosity a good enough reason? (: And if gender doesn't matter, what fun would going to a swimming pool be? heh. C Dale On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, srl wrote: > On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Tania Morell wrote: > > > > Rik > > > > > > > It really is very hard to decipher who is male and > > female by their name. Some names are not so obvious. > > Sorry about this but if you had spelled your name with > > a 'c', I may have assumed one thing. > > why does it matter who's male, female, or other? I'd have to say > that one of my personal goals as a feminist is to have gender > not matter at all... but some of you seem to feel differently. > can you explain why? > > shane > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org > Cynthia J. Dale Technical Engineer/FAQ maintainer Red Hat, Inc. fnord. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
RE: [techtalk] career/family question
Davida, I don't want to understand you wrong: are you just kidding? Or did it *really* happen like this? Karl-Heinz >> Original Message << On 15.02.00, 23:51:07, Davida Schiff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote regarding RE: [techtalk] career/family question: > Unfortunately gender does matter. In 1972 I received a draft > notice to go to Viet Nam (lucky lottery winner...lol). Seems > they misspelled my name. Being (obviously) female did not > matter and I had to have a genetic work up done to prove that > I was indeed a female. My birth certificate was not accepted > either. So much for living in this mans' world. > Davida > -Original Message- > From: Cynthia Dale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 2:18 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject:Re: [techtalk] career/family question > Is curiosity a good enough reason? (: And if gender > doesn't matter, what > fun would going to a swimming pool be? heh. > C Dale > On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, srl wrote: > > On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Tania Morell wrote: > > > > > > Rik > > > > > > > > > > It really is very hard to decipher who is male and > > > female by their name. Some names are not so obvious. > > > Sorry about this but if you had spelled your name with > > > a 'c', I may have assumed one thing. > > > > why does it matter who's male, female, or other? I'd have > to say > > that one of my personal goals as a feminist is to have > gender > > not matter at all... but some of you seem to feel > differently. > > can you explain why? > > > > shane > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org > > > Cynthia J. Dale > Technical Engineer/FAQ maintainer > Red Hat, Inc. > fnord. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] Squid config
On 0, "Jenn V." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Subba Rao wrote: > > > The cache_peer values have the following settings. > > > > cache_peer myhost.mydomain.com parent3128 3130 [proxy-only] > > cache_peer myhost1.mydomain.com sibling 3128 3130 [proxy-only] > > cache_peer myhost2.mydomain.com sibling 3128 3130 [proxy-only] > > cache_peer myhost3.mydomain.com sibling 3128 3130 [proxy-only] > > cache_peer myhost4.mydomain.com sibling 3128 3130 [proxy-only] > > > > I don't know if this is the right setting for cache_peer. > > Any input from squid admins appreciated. > > I haven't configured squid myself, and my squid admin (aka husband) > happens to be off at a spec meeting for a couple of days. > > But: > > 1. I assume you understand proxy peering (that your proxy goes > to the peers, if they have the relevent page, rather than the > page source) and intend to use it? > > 2. You don't /really/ have 'myhost.mydomain.com' in your actual > config file, do you? You've replaced that with the address of > your intended parent and sibling proxies, haven't you? > > 3. If you don't want peer proxies, comment the lines out. > Thanks for replying. Since I do not have caching peers, I deleted these tags from the config file and squid starts fine now. There are other config errors which can be tweaked as I go along. How does Squid keep track of the files being cached? How do we know if the cached files have changed on the original server? Thank you once again. Subba Rao [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pws.prserv.net/truemax/ => Time is relative. Here is a new way to look at time. <= http://www.smcinnovations.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
RE: [techtalk] career/family question
Karl, It is all true. I was #8 in the lottery that no one wanted to win .My name was listed as David A versus Davida. It was one big pain. BTW...while in college when all my girl-friends were burning their bras (1972) I burnt my draft notice. Lol Davida -Original Message- From: Karl-Heinz Zimmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 3:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:RE: [techtalk] career/family question Davida, I don't want to understand you wrong: are you just kidding? Or did it *really* happen like this? Karl-Heinz >> Original Message << On 15.02.00, 23:51:07, Davida Schiff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote regarding RE: [techtalk] career/family question: > Unfortunately gender does matter. In 1972 I received a draft > notice to go to Viet Nam (lucky lottery winner...lol). Seems > they misspelled my name. Being (obviously) female did not > matter and I had to have a genetic work up done to prove that > I was indeed a female. My birth certificate was not accepted > either. So much for living in this mans' world. > Davida > -Original Message- > From: Cynthia Dale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 2:18 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject:Re: [techtalk] career/family question > Is curiosity a good enough reason? (: And if gender > doesn't matter, what > fun would going to a swimming pool be? heh. > C Dale > On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, srl wrote: > > On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Tania Morell wrote: > > > > > > Rik > > > > > > > > > > It really is very hard to decipher who is male and > > > female by their name. Some names are not so obvious. > > > Sorry about this but if you had spelled your name with > > > a 'c', I may have assumed one thing. > > > > why does it matter who's male, female, or other? I'd have > to say > > that one of my personal goals as a feminist is to have > gender > > not matter at all... but some of you seem to feel > differently. > > can you explain why? > > > > shane > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org > > > Cynthia J. Dale > Technical Engineer/FAQ maintainer > Red Hat, Inc. > fnord. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
RE: [techtalk] career/family question
Hey All, Even if you could dispose of gender why would you want to? It seems to me that in terms of dealing with each other as human beings that gender plays an important part. Men and women have different ways of communicating their points. It has often been my experience that getting a 'women's point of view' has allowed me to look at things in a way that would not have occured to me before. That in itself could be considered 'gender indifferent' but I definetely believe that its understanding and acceptance of others ideas whether gender related or not that will help. Harry On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Davida Schiff wrote: > Unfortunately gender does matter. In 1972 I received a draft notice to go to > Viet Nam (lucky lottery winner...lol). Seems they misspelled my name. Being > (obviously) female did not matter and I had to have a genetic work up done > to prove that I was indeed a female. My birth certificate was not accepted > either. So much for living in this mans' world. > > Davida [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
RE: [techtalk] career/family question
Harry, The question still remains: If your name was misspelled and the government thought you were female...Would you have to go through genetic testing (like I had to) in order to prove you were male...or would your word be enough...hmmm Davida -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 4:35 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject:RE: [techtalk] career/family question Hey All, Even if you could dispose of gender why would you want to? It seems to me that in terms of dealing with each other as human beings that gender plays an important part. Men and women have different ways of communicating their points. It has often been my experience that getting a 'women's point of view' has allowed me to look at things in a way that would not have occured to me before. That in itself could be considered 'gender indifferent' but I definetely believe that its understanding and acceptance of others ideas whether gender related or not that will help. Harry On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Davida Schiff wrote: > Unfortunately gender does matter. In 1972 I received a draft notice to go to > Viet Nam (lucky lottery winner...lol). Seems they misspelled my name. Being > (obviously) female did not matter and I had to have a genetic work up done > to prove that I was indeed a female. My birth certificate was not accepted > either. So much for living in this mans' world. > > Davida [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] career/family question
srl wrote: > > why does it matter who's male, female, or other? I'd have to say > that one of my personal goals as a feminist is to have gender > not matter at all... but some of you seem to feel differently. > can you explain why? > > shane > Well, I was merely pointing out how difficult it is to tell from just a first name and never meant to imply anything more. I've been part of this mailing list just a short time and have come accross such names as 'Ji' and 'Rik' and I do wonder, sometimes, who it is I'm talking to and what their experiences have been. I think some people may have gotten a little too defensive. I'm sorry my comment changed this topic into something totally unrelated. shsh.. In my opinion, it may not matter as much on a mailing list who's who but it does at least a little because, in reality, we're not all no-face no-name individuals. It would be too boring to pretend that we were. -- Tania Morell [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.shadow.net/~tania [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] career/family question
> > why does it matter who's male, female, or other? I'd have to say > that one of my personal goals as a feminist is to have gender > not matter at all... but some of you seem to feel differently. > can you explain why? > > shane I've also got to say that this goal is going to be very difficult to reach. Men and women may be equivalent, but we're not equal. Equal would imply that we're the same, and we're not. Not physically, not mentally and not emotionally. That's a fact and gender will always matter in one way or another. ok, that's enough grrltalk for me, I've got a modem and a portmaster to configure. -- Tania Morell [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.shadow.net/~tania [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] 1st time adding a modem to linux.
Hi again, I read through all those sites you guys suggested I go to and found this: Incompatible modems include those that are ~Rockwell SoftK56 My modem is a K56 flex. Bios tells me the modem's vendor number is 127A.. and an online PCI id list I went to says that this vendor number implies that it's from "Rockwell Semiconductor Systems". And to top it off, here's something from a faq: 5. How about PCI modems? Are all PCI modems winmodems? No, there are at least three controller-based PCI modems. If you are curious, these modems are the Multitech MT5634ZPX-PCI, the Actiontec PCI56012 (IBM 33L4618), and the 3Com/USR 3CP5610. Well, being the stubborn person that I am, I'll probably still keep on trying to get this modem to run. Does anyone know how to make linux store a copy of the boot messages? -- Tania Morell [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.shadow.net/~tania [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] career/family question
#if Davida Schiff > Karl, > > It is all true. I was #8 in the lottery that no one wanted to win .My name > was listed as David A versus Davida. It was one big pain. BTW...while in > college when all my girl-friends were burning their bras (1972) I burnt my > draft notice. Lol > > Davida I know someone called Rachel Hoare. If for no other reason, I'd marry her to save her the hassle. Rik -- Look at, not into. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] career/family question
"Tania M. Morell" wrote: > > why does it matter who's male, female, or other? I'd have to say > that one of my personal goals as a feminist is to have gender > not matter at all... but some of you seem to feel differently. > can you explain why? > > shane > I've also got to say that this goal is going to be very difficult to > reach. > Men and women may be equivalent, but we're not equal. Equal would imply > that we're the same, and we're not. Not physically, not mentally and not > emotionally. That's a fact and gender will always matter in one way or > another. --- Dunno if I want to do this...but... No one is "equal" in every way with everyone else -- well, maybe genetic twins, but the difference between queen elizabeth and prince charles is probably less than the difference between the queen and a pygmy woman in africa. It's difficult to absolutely, categorically compare the two genders when there is no single "line". To say all women are different from all men calls on stereotypes and classification. Individually some men may fit the standard woman definition more closely than some women and vice versa. Nevertheless, there seem to be biological "tendancies" for a given sex. The harm comes in assuming that the whole sex has a given tendancy and making pre-judgements based on that. Also it's very difficult under the *current* regime for woman to be "equal" to men even if it were biologically possible. There are things that women experience in open society far more than men -- such as rape. Men are more likely to be victims of all other violent crimes. The perpetrator in both cases, however, has about a 90% chance of being a man. Men don't have to worry about getting pregnant. Men don't have to worry about losing control over their own body by having abortion rights ending. Note that all of the leaders and most anti-abortionists are men. Men as a group don't have to worry about glass ceilings and pay discrepancies. In the high tech industry, things look equal on the surface. However, why am I the only woman in my group. Moving up a level to the director level -- we have a large group lunch on fridays for everyone under that director. She and I are the only two women. Due to either biology or social conditioning, more women don't meet or want to meet the standard of being an engineer here. My last director, upon losing my position via a re-org suggested I look elsewhere in the company rather than core engineering -- like "customer support" or "marketing". Nope -- no stereotyping here...no sirree! Testing is another area where we'll see more women. IS support and phone support here, I'll see more women. But core engineering? Darn few. We've had exactly 1 woman at the VP level (non above). She was eventually forced out because she didn't play in the ol' boys network. When I hired on, I was interviewed by no women -- I did meet with a woman from HR -- another place where women are shunted to. The review qualifications here used to include "willing to take risks -- bigger=better", "become a well-known leader in your area -- higher up, greater the area" -- how many women do you know that are well-known in the Linux community? FSF? It's not something women excel at (for whatever reason). As such, it is a sex-biased trait. The same with taking risks -- another sex-biased trait. Using those as assessment criteria work against women -- especially since we're all ranked and rated next to each other. It'd by like rating on congeniality -- have you ever heard of Mr. Congeniality award? Things have moved away from those explicit criteria, but attitudes still remain. So...all of that is why you can't just look at men and women as "equal" in today's world. There are tons of other examples, but that's enough for now -- gotta get home to my partner. :-) -linda [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
RE: [techtalk] career/family question
Hey Davida, You are absolutely correct. The idea of having to go thru genetic testing is absurd. Especially considering if you trigger finger was missing you were sufficently disabled not to have to go. Harry Quoting Davida Schiff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Harry, > > The question still remains: If your name was misspelled and the government > thought you were female...Would you have to go through genetic testing > (like > I had to) in order to prove you were male...or would your word be > enough...hmmm > > Davida [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] 1st time adding a modem to linux.
Hey Tania, Linux stores boot msgs by default. They are usually in /var/log/messages. I don't want to be a pesimist but you might just want to return or get a new modem. The challenge can be fun but if it's an impossible task then there is no reward. Regards, Harry Quoting "Tania M. Morell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi again, > > I read through all those sites you guys suggested I go to and found > this: > Incompatible modems include those that are > ~Rockwell SoftK56 > > My modem is a K56 flex. > Bios tells me the modem's vendor number is 127A.. and an online PCI id > list I went to says that this vendor number implies that it's from > "Rockwell Semiconductor Systems". > > And to top it off, here's something from a faq: > 5. How about PCI modems? Are all PCI modems winmodems? > No, there are at least three controller-based PCI modems. If you are > curious, these modems are the Multitech MT5634ZPX-PCI, the Actiontec > PCI56012 (IBM 33L4618), and the 3Com/USR 3CP5610. > > Well, being the stubborn person that I am, I'll probably still keep on > trying to get this modem to run. > > Does anyone know how to make linux store a copy of the boot messages? > > -- > Tania Morell > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.shadow.net/~tania > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org > Harry Hoffman Product Systems Specialist Restaurants Unlimited Inc. Seattle WA 206 634 3082 x. 270 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] 1st time adding a modem to linux.
Excerpts from linuxchix: 15-Feb-100 Re: [techtalk] 1st time add.. by "Tania M. Morell"@shadow > Well, being the stubborn person that I am, I'll probably still keep on > trying to get this modem to run. I've heard rumors of people getting linux drivers for winmodems from the manufacturer... > Does anyone know how to make linux store a copy of the boot messages? try the dmesg command for the kernel boot messages. you can > that to a file if you want. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] career/family question
Excerpts from linuxchix: 16-Feb-100 Re: [techtalk] career/famil.. by Rik [EMAIL PROTECTED] > I know someone called Rachel Hoare. There's a synchronization construct called a Hoare monitor. Endless amusement for a class of OS students who have been up too late. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] career/family question
Linda Walsh wrote: > > No one is "equal" in every way with everyone else -- well, maybe genetic twins, > but the difference between queen elizabeth and prince charles is probably less than >the > difference between the queen and a pygmy woman in africa. I was going to say the same thing. Gender differences can be quite minor when compared to things such a nationality, religion, etc... There are 4 billion people on this planet, all unique. That takes a nice amount of diversity. On the same note, there are a lot of things in common between sexes, or nationalities, or what have you. It all depends on what you looking at. I think what everyone has been talking about though, if not explicitly stated, is that there are far too many negative or damaging differences due to ignorance, prejudice, and apathy. This goes for all sorts of issues, of which gender inequality is only one, and perhaps a bit ill named. How many females would want to be even remotely male? Not many I think... > Also it's very difficult under the *current* regime for woman to be "equal" to >men > even if it were biologically possible. There are things that women experience in >open > society far more than men -- such as rape. Id have to say rape is the most fucked up issue of the day. Its bad enough here, and then you hear about how bad it is in places like africa. I think this is one issue that doesnt get near enough attention, seems like far too many people are content to ignore it, or downplay its severity. But, i think this group knows that, soo i wont delve into a rant. ;) > Men are more likely to be victims of all > other violent crimes. The perpetrator in both cases, however, has about a 90% >chance of > being a man. Men don't have to worry about getting pregnant. Men don't have to > worry about losing control over their own body by having abortion rights ending. True. Things have come a long way from where they started, but there is a long way yet to go. > So...all of that is why you can't just look at men and women as "equal" in >today's > world. There are tons of other examples, but that's enough for now -- gotta get home > to my partner. :-) Maybe tomorrow... -- .oO()Oo.oO()Oo.oO()Oo.oO()Oo.oO()Oo.oO()Oo.oO()Oo.oO()Oo.oO()Oo. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://cubicmetercrystal.com/ "You are the product of a mutational union of ~640Mbytes of genetic information." [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] 1st time adding a modem to linux.
Laurel Fan wrote: > > Does anyone know how to make linux store a copy of the boot messages? > > try the dmesg command for the kernel boot messages. you can > that to a > file if you want. Redhat stores the boottime output to /var/log/dmesg. -- Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 5632563 or shout loudly [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
RE: [techtalk] career/family question
Welcome to the joys of beauracracy. I think the only better one is when the system decides that you are deceased. Try convincing the US government that you are, indeed, NOT dead. Original Message Follows From: Davida Schiff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [techtalk] career/family question Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 14:51:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [216.126.84.1] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBA73284F007AD820F3E8D87E540112E70; Tue Feb 15 15:12:18 2000 Received: from hub.org (hub.org [216.126.84.1])by hub.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04936;Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:55:51 -0500 (EST)(envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Received: by hub.org (TLB v0.10a (1.23 tibbs 1997/01/09 00:29:32)); Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:54:18 + (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost)by hub.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04717for techtalk-outgoing; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:53:20 -0500 (EST)(envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Received: (from cyrus@localhost)by hub.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04591for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:52:20 -0500 (EST)(envelope-from cyrus) Received: from newman.hqca1.entrypoint.com ([216.217.178.17])by hub.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04486for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:51:13 -0500 (EST)(envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Received: by NEWMAN with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21)id <19478F7A>; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 14:51:08 -0800 >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Feb 15 15:16:01 2000 Message-ID: <67C96CF795DDD311A1D000508B9B0BD80248C3@NEWMAN> X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk Unfortunately gender does matter. In 1972 I received a draft notice to go to Viet Nam (lucky lottery winner...lol). Seems they misspelled my name. Being (obviously) female did not matter and I had to have a genetic work up done to prove that I was indeed a female. My birth certificate was not accepted either. So much for living in this mans' world. Davida -Original Message- From: Cynthia Dale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 2:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [techtalk] career/family question Is curiosity a good enough reason? (: And if gender doesn't matter, what fun would going to a swimming pool be? heh. C Dale On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, srl wrote: > On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Tania Morell wrote: > > > > Rik > > > > > > > It really is very hard to decipher who is male and > > female by their name. Some names are not so obvious. > > Sorry about this but if you had spelled your name with > > a 'c', I may have assumed one thing. > > why does it matter who's male, female, or other? I'd have to say > that one of my personal goals as a feminist is to have gender > not matter at all... but some of you seem to feel differently. > can you explain why? > > shane > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org > Cynthia J. Dale Technical Engineer/FAQ maintainer Red Hat, Inc. fnord. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] career/family question
Coder wrote: > There are 4 billion people on this planet, all unique. Try 6 billion people, with around 4 billion in poverty. -- Arjuna [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] career/family question
#if Linda Walsh > Dunno if I want to do this...but... > > No one is "equal" in every way with everyone else [...] Misquote from Python: "You are ALL INDIVIDUALS !" (moment's pause) "I'm not ! ... and neither's my wife !" [...] > It'd by like rating on congeniality -- have you ever heard of Mr. > Congeniality award? Things have moved away from those explicit > criteria, but attitudes still remain. I have worked at a company where I was not made welcome, because I didn't play football (soccer) with the 'lads'. It's practically the same thing. I wasn't a 'man' in their eyes, so I got the equivalent of sexual discrimination. Yes, I really did. Rik -- Explore the richness of your limitations. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
[techtalk] offtopic pc support job opening, please spread the word
Hi, sorry to be off topic. My company has an opening for at least 2 pc support persons and I am disillusioned to hear that no women have applied so far. The job is primarily NT/Windows/pc apps support, dealing with in-house clients and their pc upgrades or problems. The PC Support group doesn't yet support linux, but hopefully will someday. There are other OS's in use by our company: OSF, AIX, Linux, Solaris, Ultrix, FreeBSD...so there's room to move over to more unix-like support. But currently the opening is definitely an NT/Windows kind of position. If you know of anyone who'd like to apply and who'd be willing to consider Tucson as a homebase, please have them review the PC Support job posted under employment on www.sunquest.com and encourage them to apply. Thanks, it'd be nice to see some women apply for the job(s). Thanks for your patience, Tamara [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] career/family question
On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Tania M. Morell wrote: > > why does it matter who's male, female, or other? I'd have to say > > that one of my personal goals as a feminist is to have gender > > not matter at all... but some of you seem to feel differently. > > can you explain why? > > > > shane > > I've also got to say that this goal is going to be very difficult to > reach. certainly. so is building an OS from scratch, but people have decided that that's a worthy goal and have done it. Hacking society is a much larger-scale project, but should be equally possible if done by enough motivated people. > Men and women may be equivalent, but we're not equal. Equal would imply > that we're the same, and we're not. Not physically, not mentally and not > emotionally. That's a fact and gender will always matter in one way or > another. But as long as we keep saying "men" and "women" as if they're a binary, we're reinforcing the idea that "men" and "women" are not equivalent or equal. We're saying "there are two and only-two". We're performing crude round-offs anything between 0. and 0.50 is deemed "male" or "man" and anything between 0.500 and 1.0 is deemed "female" or "woman". If we had floating-point (or complex?) gender, where we could talk about someone's gender as 4+3i, or 0.721532, or just not quantify it at all that's what i'm going for. Man/woman, male/female, masculine/feminine, are crude binaries, and i think there has to be a better way to describe people. I want a world where female kids don't have to define themselves by being "the right kind of girl" or "not the right kind of girl." I want a world where it's okay for male kids to be soft and sensitive, and where it's okay for female kids to kick ass and take names. The best way I can think of to do this is to throw away the rules about "boys are ..." and "girls are..." and say, "humans are." shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
[techtalk] Direct 3d acceleration
Allright, ive got something on topic for once... *grin* ive been playing with OpenGL support under Linux/X with drivers for the TNT/TNT2 working fine. However, I noticed that currently these drivers do not support direct access to the acceleration hardware, so performance is incredibly low from where it should be. I think SuSE is working on enhanced drivers to handle this, as well as SGI perhaps.. but I cant seem to find any working code, or code in general. So, my questions is this: Does anyone have OpenGL support for direct hardware access in XFree86 or even a commercial product? -- .oO()Oo.oO()Oo.oO()Oo.oO()Oo.oO()Oo.oO()Oo.oO()Oo.oO()Oo.oO()Oo. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://cubicmetercrystal.com/ "You are the product of a mutational union of ~640Mbytes of genetic information." [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] Direct 3d acceleration
coder wrote: > So, my questions is this: Does anyone have OpenGL support for direct > hardware > access in XFree86 or even a commercial product? As far as I know, hardware 3D acceleration support will be included in XFree86-4.0. -- |< () http://kir.sever.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 7551596 () |_ Microsoft SELLS you Windows, Linux GIVES you the whole house! [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] Squid config
Subba Rao wrote: > > Thanks for replying. Since I do not have caching peers, I deleted these > tags from the config file and squid starts fine now. There are other config > errors which can be tweaked as I go along. Glad I could help. :) > How does Squid keep track of the files being cached? How do we know if the cached >files have > changed on the original server? In the absence of my squid admin/best friend/husband, and due to the fact that I'm tired enough that I'm sure I wouldn't be able to read the manual and figure it out, I'm going to: a) throw to someone else on this list b) recommend you subscribe to the squid list and ask there and/or c) suggest the dread phrase that starts with 'read' and ends with 'manual'. Sorry. If the question is still standing after I've slept, I may go look. But I don't know off the top of my head. Jenn V. -- "We're repairing the coolant loop of a nuclear fusion reactor. This is women's work!" Helix, Freefall. http://www.purrsia.com/freefall/ Jenn Vesperman[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.simegen.com/~jenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] 1st time adding a modem to linux.
Just wanted to say that I was reminded the hard way tonight that its not always configuration that stops you from being able to setup devices on your computer. I have been struggling for a month with an external 56.6 modem, and could not get it. Minicom would let me dial out with it as a 56.6 modem...but all it would display on the screen was random characters. We reset the serial speed to 9600 and 19200, and it works, but anything above that, and the modem freaks out. Anything above those speeds, and it won't dial using chat, either. *mumble* I asked the guy who gave me the modem about it at work today, and his reply was "Oh, yeah, I had it working fine in my system until I moved. After that, it seemed to run rather oddly." Its nice to finally have an answer, but its one of those answers that makes you want to throw things. A month of hair pulling when everything had been set up correctly, for the most part. *shrug* And now, back to your regularly scheduled program. Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
