[RBW] Re: Stolen Royal H Mixte Ventura

[Tom Virgil]

I am very happy that you have this bicycle back in your hands.  I don't 
have anything to add to comments about the intermediate steps (I don't 
disagree with most of them).  Sorry you had to put in an additional $500.00 
to *ransom* it back and I do wonder about the guile of the person who sold 
your own bike back to you.  It stinks of extortion.  It's a reminder to me 
for extra attention to protect those things that are a joy to us.

Best regards,

Tom

On Tuesday, August 6, 2013 4:03:58 PM UTC-7, Pammie wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I love reading this forum and have a similar type of hand built bike - a 
> Royal H Mixte with custom Peter White Son Dynamo wheelset. . . .  It was 
> stolen out of the garage this week while I was in DC.  My partner thinks it 
> could be that left the garage door open for just a few hours before going 
> to bed one evening but it would not have been long.  When I arrived home, I 
> immediately saw it gone. . . 
>
> If anyone come across it please let me know -- Ventura Police Department 
> has also been notified, and I have notified all the bike shops!  It's 
> really one of a kind. . . I'm sick about it.  
>
> I bought the frame from bike blogger Lovely Bike a year ago and have used 
> it for rides of 30+ miles.  We have kept it in the house off and on -- but 
> live in a very safe neighborhood. I've never had a bike stolen as an adult. 
>I also have a new Acorn bag on the front. S
>
> The police believe it is carnies -- we have a park and ride about 4 blocks 
> from the house and the fair is in town and we are, apparently, in the 
> middle of a crime spree.  I do have insurance but I am still heartbroken.
>
> My build (although I have cream delta cruisers on it now):
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/76332248@N06/9452690851/
>
> Here the frame on the builder site:
> http://royalhcycles.com/lovelybike-mixte/
>
> Warm regards, Pam (805) 856-8370 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: first century tomorrow - any last minute tips?

[Tom Virgil]

You are going to do well.  If you take the recommended advice, get off the 
bicycle and take pictures from time to time, post them to a public site, 
and send us a "Proof that it happened" link, we are going to be in awe of 
your accomplishment  You go, Jack.

On Friday, August 16, 2013 6:21:34 PM UTC-7, NWAJack wrote:
>
> I'm up in Joplin for my first Century ever.  Will be riding Jenny the AHH 
> warrior bike with handlebar bags and all.  Going to wear canari padded 
> briefs and musa shorts.  Any last minute tips for me?  Previous long ride 
> has been about 65 miles.
> Jack, normally in Arkansas, Stewart

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[RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

[Tom Virgil]

Dear SoCal Rivsters,

Been monitoring things.   I live about the same distance from the coast as 
San Mateo is from San Onofre.  Southern Orange County and Northern San 
Diego have many micro climates, so I cannot say what I see is predictive of 
what we will see on the 23rd. 

 Up until today, the fog has been rolling in and we have overcast from 
about 4:00 PM.  Oddly, it recedes between 6:30 for about an hour and then 
rolls back in.

Tonight, we had one of those "Diamond Girl" kind of evenings where the sun 
shown on the beach until setting.  Samuel Hillborne and I were down at the 
Torrey Pines parking lot to see it  (testing camping gear).

I am hoping we have this kind of night for the 23rd.  No matter what, we 
are going to have a good time.

Take care,

Tom



On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> SoCal Rivesters,
>
> I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground near 
> San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's 
> home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either 
> meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride 
> the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a 
> few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we can 
> jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good 
> date before the Labor Day weekend. 
>
> Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment so 
> I need a count quick before I reserve it. 
>
> Thanks for looking,
>
> ~Hugh 
>

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[RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

[Tom Virgil]

Another "Diamond Girl" morning (fog burned off on beach by 8:00 AM) and 
evening (still good).  Non bike enthusiast and non Rivendell fan wife rode 
with me to Edamame on Carmel Valley Road for a sunset Japanese dinner. 
 Sweet times.

On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> SoCal Rivesters,
>
> I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground near 
> San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's 
> home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either 
> meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride 
> the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a 
> few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we can 
> jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good 
> date before the Labor Day weekend. 
>
> Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment so 
> I need a count quick before I reserve it. 
>
> Thanks for looking,
>
> ~Hugh 
>

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[RBW] Re: That Betty Foy is some bicycle!

[Tom Virgil]

That is one fine ride and the look on your face is better than anything 
this side of an eight year old's Christmas or birthday bike.  Thank you for 
sharing your decision, the anticipation, the build and now the riding!

Best regards,

Tom

On Saturday, August 17, 2013 9:43:46 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> I had very high expectations of this bike, and I'm happy to say that it 
> has met every one. It rides smoother -- and faster! -- than any other bike 
> I've ever owned. I smiled the whole way from the bike shop. Tomorrow I'm 
> setting off on a 25km slow bike tour around some farms out in the country. 
> I'll probably have more to say then, but as of right now, I'm in love with 
> this bike, and I'm glad I finally decided to make this purchase.
>
> The guys at Dream Cycle actually thanked me for bringing the bike to their 
> shop to work on. They said the bike made them smile whenever they looked at 
> it, and as they were building it, they found new things to love about her. 
>
> Most of the components are different than those sold in Riv's stock build 
> kit. I ultimately didn't save any on the cost of the parts, but I did keep 
> from getting hit with a $350 tax bill by buying the parts locally. A 
> screenshot of the build can be found in this flickr set: 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/sets/72157635020456860/
>
>
> More photos are to come, but I had to share this one a friend posted of 
> me. If you look closely, you'll see just how big the smile on my face is. 
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/9533259489/
>
> Happy riding,
> Cecily
>

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[RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

[Tom Virgil]

Ahem.  Adult beverages.  Thinking that a beer run (or wine or what have 
you) back into town after unloading and setting up camping gear might be 
the ticket.  Can't see myself toting 12 pack (need enough to share) and ice 
on top of my teetering load.  Don't like shopping and leaving bike out side 
locked or unlocked, so would prefer a partner on such a mission.

It the prevailing desire is for a Riv dinner in town or group campout, I am 
good with either.  Just need to know ahead so I don't pack too much.  Take 
out for dinner (bring to camp on adult beverage foray) and collaborative 
breakfast is also an option.  I am pretty easy to please, just need to know 
what we are doing.

Best regards,

Tom

On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> SoCal Rivesters,
>
> I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground near 
> San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's 
> home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either 
> meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride 
> the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a 
> few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we can 
> jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good 
> date before the Labor Day weekend. 
>
> Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment so 
> I need a count quick before I reserve it. 
>
> Thanks for looking,
>
> ~Hugh 
>

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[RBW] Re: Manny Birthday Ride

[Tom Virgil]

Hey, Manny.  You are a true bike hobo (I have a lot of respect for hobos). 
 Hope to meet you out there one day.  Happy birthday!

Best regards,

Tom

On Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:11:28 PM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
> I was able to move a work visit to the SF Bay Area to coincide with 
> Manny's Birthday Ride, so I was able to partake of the powdery-dirt, 
> dead-grass kind of riding they do around here. We had a blast, someone 
> broke a spoke, and I only know about one flat.
>
> We rode up from the San Leandro BART station after noon, and took a ride 
> around Lake Chabot. We passed by a full Mexican Brass Band--they kicked in 
> right after we passed out of sight, and it was excellent to have a big tuba 
> motivating you. We did a fair amount of good dirt riding (actually, all of 
> the ride excepting the streets leading to the park was on dirt), and lots 
> of quick rolling trails, with good speed and pretty easy climbs.
>
> There was one great climb out from a golf course (now I know the golf 
> course that Manny & Tommy got those balls from), with a side trip along 
> some excellent singletrack. My friend took a spill on the last little bit 
> to the campground, but we were able to patch him up. It's pretty obvious 
> that Manny is a teacher, watching him apply a bandage to my friend's hand.
>
> Pictures prove it happened, but don't show any of the EXCELLENT food 
> Manny's family brought up for the party. SO MUCH CHICKEN.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/sets/72157635127019597/
>
> cc
>
> PS: There was a old RockHopper that I have at my parent's house, that I 
> rivified the rear end the night before, with some nice parts. My parents 
> were mildly amused that I would fly in and immediately get to work "fixing" 
> this bike. When I'm down in six weeks next I'll try and fix up the 
> cockpit--the bars are WAY too low.
>
> -- 
> "I want the kind of six pack you can't drink." -- Micah 
>

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[RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

[Tom Virgil]

Hugh's turkey chili looks delicious, and I don't want to dis him, but I 
really don't want to burden him with portaging it down from Irvine on his 
bike.

Google maps indicates a 3.6 mile 
cruise
 down 
from San Mateo to Sonny's.

Recommend we pass the hat for Hugh's dining and liquid refreshment for all 
of his trouble setting this event up.

Just out of interest, how do you folks secure your bikes while dining?  I 
have not owned a bike lock since grade school.  Since I left grade school, 
my policy has been to never let my bike out of my sight.

Street view of 
Sonny's.
 
 Not sure about the bike parking situation.

Do you leave your gear back in camp?

Best regards,

Tom

On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> SoCal Rivesters,
>
> I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground near 
> San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's 
> home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either 
> meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride 
> the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a 
> few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we can 
> jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good 
> date before the Labor Day weekend. 
>
> Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment so 
> I need a count quick before I reserve it. 
>
> Thanks for looking,
>
> ~Hugh 
>

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[RBW] How much do you carry on your S24O?

[Tom Virgil]

I am not interested in fern elves who sleep under leaves or those who can 
build a house at the campsite from available materials

What is a nominal weight?

With everything I could want, I am coming in at +22 pounds.  I am trying to 
pare that away.  If I were to take everything, it would include,,,

  Sleeping bag

 Sleeping bag liner

 Compression Sack

 Pillow

 Pad

 Tent

 Tent Footprint

 French Press

 Titanium cup

 Stove

 Fuel bottle

 Cooking pot

 Utensils

 bucket

 camp suds

 towel

 sacks

 egg holder 

 bottles


and a few other things for breakfast, camp clothes.

Having accumulated all of this from backpacking, I am now figuring out 
where to pare down.

I have been practicing with Sam and the weight. 

Best regards,

Tom


 

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[RBW] Re: How much do you carry on your S24O?

[Tom Virgil]

I am very appreciative of the comments offered here.  I live in Del Mar 
hill country.  Once I leave my block, there are 14% grades in either 
direction for a 200 foot elevation gain in .5 miles.  Average grade is 7%. 
 I rode Sam up and down several times with the unoptimized load (22 lbs) 
and while I am sluggish compared to an unfettered bike, but I don't think 
we will need a cardiologist on call.  Sam is stable with the load.  That is 
very cool.  I am using a large Sackville saddle bag and a Sackville BarSack 
on the front. At tis point, I have to lash the sleeping pad and compression 
sack encased sleeping bag outside of the bike bags.  I think I could do 
better.  Looking forward to this to test things out and see what works.

I had to laugh out loud at the porcelain mug, camp watermelon, and waffle 
kit comment from Christopher.  Although, the waffle images on that Panther 
Creek Gran Carbo were a class act.  Consider this one a shakedown.  We'll 
see what works and what doesn't without a lot of drama.  After a few 
trials, I might be inclined to bring a pizzlle maker. but we'll wait and 
see how that works out.  Don't know if Rivers like pizzlles (I do, buttered 
with Nutela).

My Trangia came with a strainer/lid that can act as a cutting board.  And I 
have knives.  Not bringing guns..  Anne's idea about a headlamp is good. 
 Don't have time to go to REI to get one, but it will be on my list.  USB 
bike light held in mouth while using both arms will have to do for now.

Ride free, rivers,

Tom

On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 11:09:21 PM UTC-7, Tom Virgil wrote:
>
> I am not interested in fern elves who sleep under leaves or those who can 
> build a house at the campsite from available materials
>
> What is a nominal weight?
>
> With everything I could want, I am coming in at +22 pounds.  I am trying 
> to pare that away.  If I were to take everything, it would include,,,
>
>   Sleeping bag
>
>  Sleeping bag liner
>
>  Compression Sack
>
>  Pillow
>
>  Pad
>
>  Tent
>
>  Tent Footprint
>
>  French Press
>
>  Titanium cup
>
>  Stove
>
>  Fuel bottle
>
>  Cooking pot
>
>  Utensils
>
>  bucket
>
>  camp suds
>
>  towel
>
>  sacks
>
>  egg holder 
>
>  bottles
>
>
> and a few other things for breakfast, camp clothes.
>
> Having accumulated all of this from backpacking, I am now figuring out 
> where to pare down.
>
> I have been practicing with Sam and the weight. 
>
> Best regards,
>
> Tom
>
>
>  

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[RBW] Not a Riv, but I wish there were more old barns in San Diego

[Tom Virgil]

This is just 
awesome.

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[RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

[Tom Virgil]

Now this was a good time.  I hope that the SoCal Rivsters are safely 
arrived home or will soon be.

Much appreciation to Hugh for setting this up, choosing San Mateo, 
selecting this campsite, and reserving it for us.  Hugh made it happen. 
 And hosted it.  He helped folks set up tents, fix tires, heat water and 
spent some time with each person expressing friendship, humor, or some 
connection about bikes.

I met some very nice people.   All of them.  

There was bike talk.  All very cool bikes being ridden.  Liquid refreshment 
in general, and remarkably high quality sipping whiskey to nip off of in 
flasks.

David's stealth appearance after hours had major benefits.  Somehow he 
managed to visit a grocery store and score some very nice things that he 
shared in the morning.  I have no idea how he pulled that off at that hour 
of the night time.

I didn't get to do every thing due to work commitments.  But it was the 
perfect S24O.  A quantum step up in interdicting a busy schedule.

Best regards,

Tom

On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> SoCal Rivesters,
>
> I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground near 
> San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's 
> home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either 
> meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride 
> the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a 
> few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we can 
> jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good 
> date before the Labor Day weekend. 
>
> Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment so 
> I need a count quick before I reserve it. 
>
> Thanks for looking,
>
> ~Hugh 
>

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[RBW] Re: SoCal Rivsters San Clemente S24O

[Tom Virgil]

I'm very appreciative of being included and enjoyed meeting every one of 
you.

Hugh's link to his deck of images has convinced me that next time I am 
taking the long route with you guys for the dining.

There is a group shot in Hugh's deck and the "52 year old man in a tree" 
POV shot (you would have had to be there to understand that).

Thank you everyone.

Tom



On Saturday, August 24, 2013 3:40:29 PM UTC-7, David G wrote:
>
> It happened:
> http://flic.kr/s/aHsjHHwVr6
>
> And it was fun.
>  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

[Tom Virgil]

David's bike caused some serious bike envy.  I have searched J.P.Weigle 
before the S24O and have no idea how one even gets one.  Maybe I don't 
wan't to know ()
It has got me wondering.  When you have a bike like that (David's), you 
ride at night, you wander into a grocery store to get some goodies at zero 
dark thirty, how do you secure the bike?  Or do you just roll the bike into 
the store and use your Ward basket as your cart?

A pleasure to meet you and all of the others.  You are great people.

Tom



On Saturday, August 24, 2013 10:17:58 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Tom, thanks for making the trip up! And David's appearance with 
> provisions made the day! And his beautiful bike was some serious 
> eye-candy for us as well! 
>
> On 8/24/13, Tom Virgil > wrote: 
> > Now this was a good time.  I hope that the SoCal Rivsters are safely 
> > arrived home or will soon be. 
> > 
> > Much appreciation to Hugh for setting this up, choosing San Mateo, 
> > selecting this campsite, and reserving it for us.  Hugh made it happen. 
> >  And hosted it.  He helped folks set up tents, fix tires, heat water and 
> > spent some time with each person expressing friendship, humor, or some 
> > connection about bikes. 
> > 
> > I met some very nice people.   All of them. 
> > 
> > There was bike talk.  All very cool bikes being ridden.  Liquid 
> refreshment 
> > 
> > in general, and remarkably high quality sipping whiskey to nip off of in 
> > flasks. 
> > 
> > David's stealth appearance after hours had major benefits.  Somehow he 
> > managed to visit a grocery store and score some very nice things that he 
> > shared in the morning.  I have no idea how he pulled that off at that 
> hour 
> > of the night time. 
> > 
> > I didn't get to do every thing due to work commitments.  But it was the 
> > perfect S24O.  A quantum step up in interdicting a busy schedule. 
> > 
> > Best regards, 
> > 
> > Tom 
> > 
> > On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: 
> >> 
> >> SoCal Rivesters, 
> >> 
> >> I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground 
> near 
> >> 
> >> San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug 
> P's 
> >> home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either 
> >> meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or 
> ride 
> >> 
> >> the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the 
> site, a 
> >> 
> >> few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we can 
> >> jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a 
> good 
> >> 
> >> date before the Labor Day weekend. 
> >> 
> >> Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment 
> so 
> >> 
> >> I need a count quick before I reserve it. 
> >> 
> >> Thanks for looking, 
> >> 
> >> ~Hugh 
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[RBW] Re-thievery

[Tom Virgil]

I can't condone this (re-thievery) as the thief may be dangerous as well as 
stupid.  There's a bit of NSFW language in the article, so you may want to 
use discrestion.  Girl steals bike 
backThere is a 
good ending (also controversial).

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[RBW] Re: It's like having a brand new bike!

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It was sharp to begin with.  You have taken it to the next level.

On Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:03:39 PM UTC-7, SMP wrote:
>
> Hello bunch,
>
> I had posed some questions a few weeks ago, as I had planned a few 
> upgrades to my Riv mixte.
>
> 1) Should I get a Gotham Cargo Crate or a Mark's Rack + Wald 
> basket?--
>  Winner: Wald
> 2) Should I get Gilles Berthoud Fenders or SKS Chromoplastic 
> Fenders?--
>  Winner: SKS
> 3) Can I put duct tape on my 
> frame?--
>  Answer: No way, use Gaffer's tape
>
> Well, I heeded your words, and I thought I would share the outcome of all 
> this deliberation.
>
> *drum roll please* BEHOLD:
>
> Bike before upgrades  - 
> Honjo hammered fenders, compass tires, no front rack/basket
> Bike after 
> upgrades - 
> SKS fenders, Schwalbe Spicer cream tires, Mark's front rack, Wald medium 
> basket
>
> Previous front-light setup 
> - 
> messy
> Current front-light setup- 
> moved to the front of the basket/rack
>
> Previous taillight setup - 
> it was never supposed to be a permanent solution
> Current taillight setup  - 
> Supernova E3 dynamo taillight.
>
> Wire routing with pink gaffers 
> tape
> Supernova quick release gold electrical connectors at the S&S coupler 
> junction 
>
> Thank you all for your support during this process.  I am sure the 
> increased utility of my bicycle will definitely add to the mileage and 
> beausage.
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[RBW] Re: A Librarian and her Betty Foy

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I'll take the numbers in the article with a grain of salt.  Knowing that 
you work through pain and fatigue to do something that you enjoy more than 
just wallowing in those limitations makes you a hero.  Man, there are days 
I just don't want to ride because of some perceived affliction.  I call it 
"being in the wall".  But my small brain is starting to "get it".  Every 
time I do a breakthrough on that wall and get out there, I am so glad I did 
it.  The expression on your face while riding your Norco tells me you make 
those breakthroughs.

I call your style of riding without destination "randomeuring".

Best regards,

Tom

On Wednesday, September 11, 2013 2:56:55 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> Yeah, trying to get them to correct the errors has been like pulling hens' 
> teeth.  
>
> I know the photographer took some photos of the lugs, but for whatever 
> reason they chose not to run them with the article. 
>
> On Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:57:53 PM UTC-7, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>>
>> I'm so happy for you, Cecily!
>>
>> I hope they can fix some of the factual errors-- but I think it's tough 
>> for non-bikers to see the actual price without cringing. (For me, not too 
>> long ago ~$1,200 seemed like a lot for a complete bike. But that Crosscheck 
>> was a gateway to bicycles, and I'm thankful and fortunate that I jumped 
>> into the Riv pool. Love my Hunqapillar and I'd love to try others.)
>>
>> Also-- ask the photographer to get some pics of the LUGS (with the heart 
>> cut outs)! I love the story of how Grant P. hand sketched a heart onto the 
>> lug design (lower head-tube lug, I think), asked the lug-casting company 
>> (maybe Long Shen?) to do that, and it came out just as sketched. Not a 
>> symmetrical heart like you'd see by computer, but a nicely asymmetric and 
>> organic heart. There's a blug post or RR about it... I'll see if I can find 
>> it, but others on this group have a better memory.
>>
>> Happy riding, Shoji
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:24:22 PM UTC-4, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>>
>>> A friend wrote a profile of me and my Betty Foy for a local newspaper: 
>>> http://www.vancourier.com/sports/cycling-the-dream-of-custom-wheels-come-true-1.620588
>>>
>>> A lot of the factual details around price are wrong, but I've asked her 
>>> to correct a few of those. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: A Librarian and her Betty Foy

[Tom Virgil]

I am tickled you find the term appropriate.  Unlimited license to use it as 
your own granted.

On Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:04:12 AM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> Randomneuring. Tom that is so *perfect* for how I ride. I'm going to steal 
> it, if that's OK with you. 
>
> On Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:35:28 PM UTC-7, Tom Virgil wrote:
>>
>> I'll take the numbers in the article with a grain of salt.  Knowing that 
>> you work through pain and fatigue to do something that you enjoy more than 
>> just wallowing in those limitations makes you a hero.  Man, there are days 
>> I just don't want to ride because of some perceived affliction.  I call it 
>> "being in the wall".  But my small brain is starting to "get it".  Every 
>> time I do a breakthrough on that wall and get out there, I am so glad I did 
>> it.  The expression on your face while riding your Norco tells me you make 
>> those breakthroughs.
>>
>> I call your style of riding without destination "randomeuring".
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 11, 2013 2:56:55 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, trying to get them to correct the errors has been like pulling 
>>> hens' teeth.  
>>>
>>> I know the photographer took some photos of the lugs, but for whatever 
>>> reason they chose not to run them with the article. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:57:53 PM UTC-7, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm so happy for you, Cecily!
>>>>
>>>> I hope they can fix some of the factual errors-- but I think it's tough 
>>>> for non-bikers to see the actual price without cringing. (For me, not too 
>>>> long ago ~$1,200 seemed like a lot for a complete bike. But that 
>>>> Crosscheck 
>>>> was a gateway to bicycles, and I'm thankful and fortunate that I jumped 
>>>> into the Riv pool. Love my Hunqapillar and I'd love to try others.)
>>>>
>>>> Also-- ask the photographer to get some pics of the LUGS (with the 
>>>> heart cut outs)! I love the story of how Grant P. hand sketched a heart 
>>>> onto the lug design (lower head-tube lug, I think), asked the lug-casting 
>>>> company (maybe Long Shen?) to do that, and it came out just as sketched. 
>>>> Not a symmetrical heart like you'd see by computer, but a nicely 
>>>> asymmetric 
>>>> and organic heart. There's a blug post or RR about it... I'll see if I can 
>>>> find it, but others on this group have a better memory.
>>>>
>>>> Happy riding, Shoji
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:24:22 PM UTC-4, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> A friend wrote a profile of me and my Betty Foy for a local newspaper: 
>>>>> http://www.vancourier.com/sports/cycling-the-dream-of-custom-wheels-come-true-1.620588
>>>>>
>>>>> A lot of the factual details around price are wrong, but I've asked 
>>>>> her to correct a few of those. 
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Bad Boy Sam Hilborne got his albas inverted for a late summer afternoon ride

[Tom Virgil]

It's definitely easier to move from the grips to the hooks and have more 
hand positions.

Proof that it happened: Bad 
Boy

Hope you are all getting in rides.

Tom

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[RBW] Re: Bad Boy Sam Hilborne got his albas inverted for a late summer afternoon ride

[Tom Virgil]

Hi Patrick,

There are a continuum of of possibilities for hand positions in the 
standard or inverted configurations.  I was not using them in the standard 
configuration.  I organized things so that being on the grips was optimal 
for me.  Moving out to the hooks made me too far and too low at the same 
time.  Inverting the bars, and raising the stem so I still had my good grip 
position put the hook position in a much more comfortable place.  Between 
the grips and the hooks is now more comfortable.  It's probably just me.  I 
would not prescribe it or preach it to the rest of our folks, but it is 
something to try.  And it does present a different ascetic approach to bars.

Take care and blessings,

Tom

On Sunday, September 15, 2013 5:54:04 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Looks great, Tom. Intriguing about the hand positions. I have a hard time 
> imagining how you get more hand positions, could you tell me more?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Saturday, September 14, 2013 9:57:29 PM UTC-6, Tom Virgil wrote:
>>
>> It's definitely easier to move from the grips to the hooks and have more 
>> hand positions.
>>
>> Proof that it happened: Bad 
>> Boy<http://www.flickr.com/photos/20853610@N05/9754374791/>
>>
>> Hope you are all getting in rides.
>>
>> Tom
>>
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[RBW] Re: LA Bump Ride.

[Tom Virgil]

Popped this into google maps and selected "bicycle".  I had to laugh.  
Their selected route on W.Sunset takes you within two blocks of "Laur
el and Hardy" park.  Neither you nor Evan tend toward those two characters, 
but it struck my funny bone to see it on the map.

Looks like you had a good time with some great vistas.

Here is one I would like to try up there:  
http://www.hikespeak.com/trails/sam-merrill-trail-echo-mountain/  Don't let 
the 2.7 miles fool you.  Looks challenging and has a fascinating history.  
Looks like Hunqapiler territory.  I picture Rivsters hooting it up on Echo 
mountain.

Best regards,

Tom




On Saturday, September 14, 2013 10:54:06 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Evan & I wanted to do an LA Urban ride, so that's what we did. Met Evan @ 
> Pershing Sq then had coffee. Rode through China Town to the LA river trail 
> to Griffith Park. The bump was climbing the back side up Garbage Truck road 
> to the Observatory for some vista's of the LA basin then down into Silver 
> Lake for Lunch and a visit to Golden Saddle Cyclery. 
>
> The Saddle was great and got a chance to talk with Kyle the owner and chat 
> about his recent S720 to Messenger Flats and area in the Angeles Forest.
>
> We then ended our ride in China Town. No hoisting beers together on this 
> one but we have plans for one where brews will be had.
>
> A leisurely 30 mile ramble.
>
> Pictures are proof:  
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalpusher61/sets/72157635529417626/
>
> ~Hugh
>

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[RBW] Re: New Mixte?

[Tom Virgil]

Leah,

Welcome to the world multiple Rivendell bike ownership.  Your Betty is drop 
dead gorgeous, but when you are not riding her, she is lonely and needs a 
friend in the bike stable.

I have been dangerously close (with all due respect to the great Sam 
Hilborne).  The thought of what retribution would be required to satisfy 
dear wife usually sobers me up.

Bet regards,

Tom



On Tuesday, September 17, 2013 10:17:32 PM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> Well, I'm not happy. What if the new mixte is even more fabulous than my 
> 9-month-old Betty? What if the new bike comes in lipstick pink or the 
> Glorious red? What's a girl to do THEN?

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[RBW] Re: Morning ride, Proto-Appaloosa Mystery Bike

[Tom Virgil]

I would love to see these in production.  Alas, I fear they may go the same 
way as the Hub Area racks that so intrigue me.

Tom

On Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:21:02 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
>
> Well Gee  this "Mystery bike" has been a Mystery for far too long now 
> . lol. 
>
> Anyone have a clue when they'll actually "Sell" them ? 
>
> Or any size ranges ? 
>
> Or anything other than a glam shot ? ♥
>
>
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[RBW] Re: only the Dutch

[Tom Virgil]

Not sure about their military capabilities, but they sure can ride fixies.

Thanks for sharing.

On Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:56:59 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> The Dutch Army Bicycle Band 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Morning ride, Proto-Appaloosa Mystery Bike

[Tom Virgil]

Good to hear.  Maybe, just maybe.  The curve of the tubing from the 
Diagibar to the seat stay is what makes it interesting.  Looks like it has 
a near cargo bike wheelbase.

Tom

On Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:50:50 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:
>
>  Grant told me more than a year ago that he’d really like to do a 
> production run of these bikes.  That it actually got a name suggests that’s 
> still a possibility, I would think.
>
>  
>
> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Tom Virgil
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 19, 2013 1:46 PM
> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Morning ride, Proto-Appaloosa Mystery Bike
>
>  
>  
> I would love to see these in production.  Alas, I fear they may go the 
> same way as the Hub Area racks that so intrigue me.
>
> Tom
>
> On Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:21:02 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>  
>
> Well Gee  this "Mystery bike" has been a Mystery for far too long now 
> . lol. 
>
> Anyone have a clue when they'll actually "Sell" them ? 
>
> Or any size ranges ? 
>
> Or anything other than a glam shot ? ♥
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[RBW] Re: RBW BUNCH WITHDRAWALS.

[Tom Virgil]

Hi Hugh,

Happens intermittently on home (iMac), work (windows 8), phones (droid and 
IPhone), and iPad.  So I don't think it's hardware or OS.  I get the Google 
Groups framework on the screen but the area for list content remains blank. 
 Restarting the browser and accessing the group again usually fixes the 
problem.  I believe you are running into [smirk] electronic potholes 
[/smirk].

Take care,

Tom

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> This afternoon I tried with repeated failure to load the list-serve and 
> continued to get error loading messages to that effect...I had access to my 
> Goggle pages and other groups but couldn't get the Bunch to load!! I 
> started to experience withdrawal symptoms thought I might need to go into 
> some kind of treatment program say lurking on another lesser group ( no 
> offense intended, but others pale in comparison) when miraculously the 
> bunch loaded! Disaster averted.
>
> Anyone else experience the non-load or some form of RBW BUNCH GROUP 
> withdrawal? Perhaps when you were travelling...
>
> ~Hugh
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[RBW] Now this is some serious "kit"

[Tom Virgil]

Maurice Dewaele 1929 Tour de 
France

There is something about this that even reaches out to the un-racer.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Now this is some serious "kit"

[Tom Virgil]

That is correct, Bill.  I thought it was such an iconic image of late '20's 
TdF I would post it.  And I swear he is riding a Riv (NOT, but you can see 
the influence on our bikes and the Randonneuse).  For any that want the 
full context, the Horton Collection Facebook page is 
here<https://tr-tr.facebook.com/TheHortonCollection?v=app_2373072738&filter=1>. 
 There are some other fascinating images at the site like cigar smoking 
while racing (not going there) and decanting wine into one's water bottle 
(a potentially Riv'ish thing to do but I don't recommend biking while under 
the influence).  Our bicycling certainly has a rich history.

Best regards,

Tom

On Friday, September 20, 2013 5:31:40 PM UTC-7, Bill Gibson wrote:
>
> Horton Collection posted it on Facebook. Maybe one of the visors is one of 
> those glossy green eyeshades used by old-time accounts and card dealers? 
> One pair clear, one pair sunglass goggles. Maurice DeWaele TdF 1929. 
> Others commented on the many details to study. 
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Ron Mc  >wrote:
>
>> who needs aero
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 20, 2013 5:28:28 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> Double goggles and double hats. Kit indeed!
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 20, 2013 4:23:08 PM UTC-6, Tom Virgil wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Maurice Dewaele 1929 Tour de 
>>>> France<https://scontent-a-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/p480x480/1234895_10151855572726355_1700779420_n.jpg>
>>>>
>>>> There is something about this that even reaches out to the un-racer.
>>>>
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[RBW] Re: San Diego Bay Ride

[Tom Virgil]

"Hugh, when you come south so time we will do this ride."

Hello Curtis,

I would love to do this with you.  Cannot tomorrow b/c of church 
obligations.  I think Hugh has some folk down here and visits once in a 
while.  So if he, Evan, Mike, David, or any of the other SoCal Rivstrs get 
down on an ad hoc basis or are available, let's do it.  I am in.  A 
Saturday would be better, though.

I personally think that taking my bike on the ferry over to Coronado and 
riding around is an "E-ticket".  Last time I did it was $8.50 round trip 
and worth every penny. I love the 1950s "Leave It to Beaver/Donna Reed" 
facades of the properties and quiet streets.  A ride down the silver strand 
past the Navy Seal training facility makes you think our tax dollars are 
well spent.  Last time I rode by a platoon of trainees were holding buckets 
of sand at arm's length.

Best regards,

Tom



On Saturday, September 21, 2013 11:38:37 AM UTC-7, Curtis wrote:
>
> So much San Diego experience here. The Bay Shore is one of my favorites. 
> It is also so easy to visit several great beer joints along the way. 
>
> Hugh, when you come south so time we will do this ride. 
>
> On Saturday, September 21, 2013, Derek Simmons wrote:
>
>> And Eric, I still remember doing it with you. I'm jealous now because 
>> we've relocated to North Carolina and the SD Bay ride is even farther for 
>> me than you.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Eric Platt wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, am officially jealous.  Still remember doing that ride 4 years 
>>> ago.  Want to do it again some day. (With the extension past Sunset Cliffs 
>>> and out to Point Loma.  And I want to do it on a "real" bike, or at least 
>>> Esteban's Kogswell.
>>>  
>>> Eric Platt
>>> St. Paul, MN
>>>
>>> Eric Platt
>>> St. Paul, MN
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Curtis McKenzie wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 Just in case any SoCal folks are interested:

 I will be riding the San Diego Bay Shore Bike Route on Sunday morning 
 (9/22). Will be at the fountain in Balboa Park at about 8:30 am. The route 
 is very flat and about 25 miles. Planning on taking the ferry to close the 
 loop.

 Ride safe,

 Curtis

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[RBW] Re: San Diego Bay Ride Not Sure If It Counts

[Tom Virgil]

Very nicely done.

On Sunday, September 22, 2013 11:27:12 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Curtis,
>
> Nice ride great pictures and it looks like just awesome weather. And there 
> was a ferry pic :-)
>
> ~Hugh
>
> On Sunday, September 22, 2013 7:35:28 PM UTC-7, Curtis wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>  
>> Now that the new standard has been set for proof of ride (music video) 
>> not sure if pictures will be sufficient.
>>  
>> However, just in case here is the link:
>>  
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/97010676@N07/sets/
>>  
>> Enjoyed a closed road due to a tri event.  We slipped in and became 
>> want-a-be racers for a good half hour.  It was great to see so many people 
>> out on bikes.
>>  
>> Ride safe,
>>  
>> Curtis
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: San Diego Bay Ride Not Sure If It Counts

[Tom Virgil]

You take care of yourself, Mike.  Please heal.  I look forward to rides 
with you, Curtis,the geographically unbounded Hugh, and whomever else we 
can lure down here (Evan?)

Agree with David that this is just a sweetheart route.  For anyone that is 
interested, here  is one rendition 
of the route.  We could do this most any time of the year.

Best Regards,

Tom

On Monday, September 23, 2013 6:05:00 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:
>
> Curtis, it will have to be a few weeks out as I came down with the flu 
> yesterday. That on top of recovering from a nasty nerve virus. 
> I'll let you know when I'm well.
>
> ~mike
>
> On Monday, September 23, 2013 2:19:29 PM UTC-7, Curtis wrote:
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Would be great to ride with you.  Name a date and I will check my 
>> calendar.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Mike Schiller 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> looks like a normal beautiful day in San Diego.  I couldn't make your 
>>> ride Curtis, but I would like to do with you if it happens again.
>>>
>>> ~mike
>>> Carlsbad Ca.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO 26" Tour Wheelset.

[Tom Virgil]

I think the Atlantis and your AHH will make for a nice stable of Rivs.

Tom

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>
> Bryan,
>
> I'm picking up a 56 cm Atlantis from Seattle and plan on doing some 
> updates to the drive and toying with the idea of Albastashes. I'd like it 
> set up for touring and rough stuff with it's capacity for fat tires. Then 
> the AHH can be dedicated to more light weight duty.
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Bryan >wrote:
>
>> 26" touring wheels? What are you brewing up, Hugh? 
>>
>> Bryan 
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO 26" Tour Wheelset.

[Tom Virgil]

If you are going to tell me that you ride Betty Foy and it is not your 
wife's bike, I am going to be really impressed.  I will still be impressed 
if it is your wife's bike.

3 Rivs in one household is quite a stable indeed.

Best regards,

Tom

On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 3:59:34 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
> Don't forget the Betty:-)
>
>
>
> Hugh
> Sunland, Ca
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Tom Virgil 
> > wrote:
>
>> I think the Atlantis and your AHH will make for a nice stable of Rivs.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 10:51:26 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>>> Bryan,
>>>
>>> I'm picking up a 56 cm Atlantis from Seattle and plan on doing some 
>>> updates to the drive and toying with the idea of Albastashes. I'd like it 
>>> set up for touring and rough stuff with it's capacity for fat tires. Then 
>>> the AHH can be dedicated to more light weight duty.
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Bryan  wrote:
>>>
>>>>  26" touring wheels? What are you brewing up, Hugh? 
>>>>
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[RBW] Re: Sweet - Good Thing

[Tom Virgil]

Deacon Patrick speaks elsewhere on his remorse following the sale of a Sam 
Hilborne.

I do not believe that such sales can be accomplished without psychological 
trauma to the (former) Riv owner.  They don't cover that on the 
Learn/Shop/Blug website and every one of us stepped right into the trap :-)

Your bikes are great.  Love the double top tube.

On Thursday, September 26, 2013 10:52:17 AM UTC-7, Kelly wrote:
>
> Well it's a good thing that no one purchased any of my bikes.  
>
>  I got out on the Quickbeam several times in the last couple of weeks.   
> It rides so nice and was such a joy.   I need to do some work on it... 
> attach dyno hub wires better and look into the 700x37 Pasela tires that 
> have been so spectacular on my AHH. 
> I also pout albastach bars on this bike and need to fix tape and one cable 
> housing that is mm's to short and been to lazy to mess with it.   
> Regardless this bike is exceptional and I was crazy to think about selling 
> it even if it doesn't get ridden enough. 
>
> I had also put up an either or with the Ram and AHH and after having 
> finally got the AHH setup with the Pasela, steel fenders flaps and racks it 
> is perfect and riding sweet as a camera and pub crawl bike.  While the 
> RAM is just beyond belief as an event bike / go fast / century / good 
> weather kinda thing though I have to change bar tape one of these days. 
> What was I thinking.. sheesh... I would have shot myself had either of 
> these sold.   
>
> The AHH
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/9953574704/   Has that used look 
> and utlra comfortable. 
>
> Da RAM
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/9692508879/  My go fast bike... 
> just a great ride for fair weather riding. 
>
> The QB  The one I was so intent of half assed getting rid of.   I still 
> think it deserves a better home.. just to lazy to work at selling it or 
> giving it away. 
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/9790602044/
>
> My wife the one who is such a saint has indicated that the Atlantis though 
> duplicating much of the Bombadil and AHH was still a good buy for me.. how 
> could I turn that down??  I'll just have to build it up for it's own 
> identity and niche. 
>
>
> Even though it was never for sale and won't be since it's my favorite tour 
> bike of all time and since it works so well going down stairs, over curbs 
> and the only one with the double toptube I couldn't let it go.. here it is 
> for bike race photo duty... 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/9652180012/
>
> My favorite add ons to date: 
>
> The Large Saddlesack -  I can't speak loudly enough or praise it high 
> enough.  Just the perfect bag for me in most situations. 
>
> The E-Delux Headlight -  Even though I have a luxes B I still like the day 
> to day operation and workings of the E-Delux better. 
>
> Favorite Tires: 
>
>700x37 Pasela - just a sweet ride. 
>700x32 Gran Boise -  Makes my go fast fast. :)
>700x50 Supreme Evo Series -  Almost as flat resistent as the marathon 
> plus without the weight and still gives a quick feeling at 45psi. 
>
> The rest cranks, bar tape dyno's etc seem to be whatever fits or is there 
> at the time.  .. the Sugino triple at 120 bucks has to rate in there for 
> price as does the Shimano bar ends.. I just don't think about them.. much 
> like BMX style platform pedals.. more about bearing life than looks and who 
> makes them. 
>
> It's all good.. and that's about where I'm at today.. hoping to get 
> another 30 miler in tonight after work.  
>
> Hope all is well with each of you
>
> Kelly
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sweet - Good Thing

[Tom Virgil]

My apologies to the Patricks for confusing them.

Nevertheless, heed my advice on "emotional trauma."  I have fantasized 
about throwing my Sam for an Atlantis, but the aftermath of even the 
concupiscence of that weighs on my soul.  I go out and look at him or take 
a spin and I think about the good memories we already have in a short time.

Let X = number of bikes you have.
Let Y = number of bikes you need.

The invariant equation is then

Y = X + 1


Best regards,

Tom


On Thursday, September 26, 2013 5:19:25 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
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> Ya got me down pat! 
>
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Bill Lindsay 
> > 
> wrote: 
> > You can tell them apart by their sign-offs: 
> > 
> > Deacon Patrick always signs off: 
> > 
> > With abandon, 
> > Patrick 
> > 
> > Patrick Moore signs off in more varied ways, like for instance: 
> > 
> > sincerely, 
> > 
> Patrick-who-in-the-drops-which-are-parallel-to-terra-ferma-as-God-decreed-on-the-curt-build-joe-modified-custom-rode-the-four-tenths-mile-hill-despite-the-stiff-headwind-nevermind-the-G-D-goatheads-in-the-76-inch-gear-in-true-meditative-tempo-out-of-the-saddle-which-is-a-new-old-stock-turbo-at-13.43mph-average-which-is-3.43mph-faster-than-the-newly-svelte-fargo-despite-17.3lbs-of-groceries-and-books-biased-65%-front-35%-rear-Moore
>  
>
> > 
> > On Thursday, September 26, 2013 4:14:41 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: 
> >> 
> >> I've only ever had a Hunqapillar. That is ABQ Patrick. We look alike, 
> at 
> >> least by text. Grin. 
> >> 
> >> With abandon, 
> >> Patrick 
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Re: [RBW] Fenders, dammit!

[Tom Virgil]

Removing your fenders, cleaning your bike, and washing your car will bring 
on a deluge.  

On Friday, September 27, 2013 9:39:13 AM UTC-7, Lee Chae wrote:
>
> Glass half full, it seems like you might have a nice little side business 
> there.
>
> Lee
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Patrick Moore 
> > wrote:
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>> It must be a supernatural truth: removing fenders brings rain, adding
>> them brings sunshine.
>>
>> Last night, after 2 weeks of sun and the calendar end of the "monsoon"
>> at the end of September, not to mention no forecast of any real
>> chancer of rain in the forseable future,I removed the fenders from the
>> Curt. Had that nice night ride.
>>
>> Today: rain threatening.
>>
>> Earlier: after almost record breaking rains in late July and August
>> (after a 3 year "severe" drought -- my mother's west side of the city
>> got exactly 0.1" between Jan and June of this year; av citywide
>> something like 1"), we had 2 weeks of sun in early Sept. Removed
>> fenders. Immediately got a week of record breaking rain. Put them back
>> on. Two weeks of sun as mentioned above.k
>>
>> Sheesh!
>>
>> Patrick "no I will *not* simply leave the fenders all on year" Moore
>> in clouding up ABQ, NM.
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[RBW] Re: 54 cm Rivendell Quickbeam for sale

[Tom Virgil]

This was a sweet deal.

Looking forward to your new bike day, Hugh.  I remember the day the box 
with my Sam Hilborne arrived.

Out of curiosity, how do multiple front chain rings work on a single 
speed?  Is their "derailment" a manual operation?

Best regards,



On Tuesday, October 1, 2013 5:32:28 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
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> Who ever pick it up it's a beaut. Looking forward to "new bike day".
>
> ~Hugh
>
> On Sunday, September 29, 2013 2:41:51 PM UTC-7, C REINO wrote:
>>
>> Well taken care of Rivendell Quickbeam for sale.  Pumpkin orange color 
>> with all original equipment except this has dirt drop handlebars.  MKS 
>> sneaker pedals, brand new san marco rolls saddle. 
>>
>> Note, lights, bell, waterbottle cage, tool tote and computer mount are 
>> NOT included.  Fenders and rear rack are included if you like.
>>
>> Asking $799
>>
>> Contact me direct, outside of google group please:  
>> ch...@community-realestate.com or 208 630-4666
>>
>> Chris 
>> McCall, ID
>>
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[RBW] Re: Release of Hub Area Rack?!

[Tom Virgil]

Eric,

I have been jonesing for the HA rack.  Hoping it works out so I can put a 
load lower on my Sam Hilborne.

Best regards,

Tom

On Thursday, October 3, 2013 3:16:23 PM UTC-7, Eric wrote:
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> Looking forward to the release of the Hub Area Rack. Any word on date of 
> release to the general public? 
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[RBW] Re: Aspen Gold 3-day trip

[Tom Virgil]

Just beautiful.  Your daughter does have a talent.  I got some "brain 
cushion" just viewing and vicariously enjoying.  Love your DW's 
encouragement and the notion that your family rendezvoused with you at your 
base camp.  I sense a lot of love there.

Best regards,

Tom

On Thursday, October 3, 2013 5:48:41 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> As my wife reminded me upon my return, I've been trying to get out and 
> immerse myself in Colorado's glorious aspen colors for over five years, but 
> my brain or daughters births prevented it. Not this year!
>
> The spot will look familiar to you if you've been gracious to view other 
> trips -- but not these colors. Wow. Visual symphony of color. Glowing gold 
> and orange with brilliant deep blue sky above and deep rich evergreen 
> dappled around and behind with grasses of tan and rust all combine to 
> delight the eye and feed the soul.
>
> I base camped, having a lazy ride in as my family hiked in (more technical 
> than they all like to ride -- yet) to spend the day with me before they 
> departed back home (we don't yet have gear for everyone for the 20˚F 
> nights). They departed in the late afternoon of day one and I settled in 
> for a few days of solitude and brain cushion recovery.
>
> Day 2, I woke at dawn, though the sun would still be 2 hours peaking over 
> the hill (what I get for camping on the west side of a 14,000 peak!). My 
> choices were to be lazy in my warm bag or get up and ride myself warm. I 
> rode. Climbing that next ridge will always warm you up! Once I couldn't 
> ride up the steep trail of Sentinel, I tied off the Hunqapillar and hoofed 
> it the rest of the way to the tundra. Amazing views of the Sangre de Cristo 
> and Collegiante ranges, as well as Lost Creek Wilderness, and South Park. 
> After returning to my bike, I felt good so headed to Horsethief Falls, 
> getting back to camp about 5pm. Standard day's food for dinner of beef 
> jerky, butter, and dried potatoes.
>
> Day three: a leisurely breakdown of camp as I wanted things to thaw/dry 
> before I hauled out extra weight, then up and over the three ridges before 
> the trail ended and I rode Edlow road and Hwy 24 back home.
>
> Amazing trip and my brain has a bit more cushion again! We'll see if the 
> snow allows more overnight trips or not this year. 
>
> My second eldest daughter had a blast taking photos of me riding, and she 
> has a real artistic eye emerging. 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157636166222556/
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
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[RBW] Re: Dyno - SP Dynamo Hub

[Tom Virgil]

Hi Kelly,

I am contemplating wheel builds.  Thinking 32 hole, Velocity polished A23 
rims (they seem to address some problems with Velocity Synergy in high 
dish).  Of course I want dynamo lighting.  When all is said and done, it is 
an expensive thing to do.  Got to looking around and found Shutter 
Precision.   (SP) I was also cued by 
the appearance of an SV-8/Velocity Synergy rim offering in "New Stuff" at 
the Rivendell site.  SV-8 looks to be very price competitive.  PV8 seems to 
be build like a brick outhouse but loses the price point advantage.  And 
there is the question of getting them in the U.S at all.  That being said, 
now that you have had the SD-8 for a year, how is it holding up?  They do 
make some bold claims on their web site.  There are some favorable reviews 
(google search, Bicycle Quarterly).

My use case is front and rear lighting for diminishing light following 
sunset.  I doubt that I will randonneur hours into the evening.

Thank you,

Tom


On Saturday, September 15, 2012 10:04:30 AM UTC-7, Kelly wrote:
>
> Ok so I've got SON28 on the Bombadil, AHH and my wifes  Atlantis.  I have 
> a Shimano 3n80 on my Quickbeam.  I can notice a difference in drag between 
> the SON28 and 3N80 though negligible.   I was looking around after 
> purchasing a 68 cm RAM for a something but didn't want to shell out the big 
> bucks for the SON28.  Thought about not even having a Dyno hub for it. 
>  Then I ran across the SP Dynamo and it's big claims.  I ordered one for 
> about 130 bucks.   I purchased a SD-8 non switchable.  There is rumors that 
> this company makes the Supernova hub as well though I have no documentation 
> or proof.. just spreading the rumor.  It also has the same connector as the 
> Shimano. 
>
> Well I built the wheel last night then today took the wheel off the AHH 
> and  road the SP with light off then on and at speed.  Took it off and road 
> the SON28.  The only difference I could discern was the SP didn't have the 
> vibration the SON28 did / all of my SON28's have at particular speeds.. 
> usually around 20ish mph and doesn't last long.  I was unable to determine 
> by ride if it has any more or less drag than the SON28 it felt the same.   
> It's also smaller and lighter than the SON28 but I couldn't tell that from 
> riding either.  Overall my first impressions are that this is a viable 
> alternative to the SON at 1/2 the price.   Guess time will tell how it's 
> longevity is.  
>
> Here are some photos... not good ones but photos anyway.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/sets/72157631542052892/
>
> Kelly
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: First Meeting of The Sunrise Coffee & Tea Club

[Tom Virgil]

Hi cc,

The more I see of this, the more I like it.  I am highly motivated to do 
it.  I know the perfect place in the Black Mountain Open Space Park near my 
home that I want to be on Saturday morning, October 13.  Wish there were a 
few more Rivsters in the area to share, but solitude at dawn is not a bad 
thing.  Planning to take small Trangia stove, Zumbar Humming Bird Coffee, 
French Press with titanium cup in a handlebar bag, and a great attitude.  

If all that works, maybe, just maybe, a salmon scramble in the Trangia, 
 Some veggie to mix in, and a goodly portion of baguette to munch through 
the coffee and meal.

Life can be good.

Best regards,

Tom

>
On Friday, October 4, 2013 9:50:36 AM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
> Cribbing a sheet from Ocean Air Cycles, I decided that if I loved sub 
> 24-hour overnight trips so much, one way to fit more things like that in my 
> schedule is to fit smaller rides in (like mortar between logs in a cabin 
> or, more appropriately, cedar shims in a door frame).
>
> So, morning, or sunrise coffee.
>
> I left home around 6:30am and rode roughly along this route:
>
> http://ridewithgps.com/routes/190735
>
> At least up to mile 3.2. It's a pretty straight climb, but not too long.
>
> I reached the viewpoint, in time for sunrise, and enjoyed the view while 
> boiling water and grinding coffee:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/10085097586/
>
> It was majestic, and very peaceful. And the coffee was strong:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/10085344993/
>
> Afterwards I had a fun ride down the hill, where I ate a delicious salmon 
> scramble.
>
> So the point being, I loved how a s24o allowed me to fit camping trips 
> where there was "dead time". Now, I'm horrible at getting up in the 
> morning, and meditating, but I love coffee, and riding bikes, and cooking 
> outside, so this was the perfect motivator.
>
> I think I'm gonna do this on a regular basis. Sunrise Coffee & Tea Club. 
> It's social, but not really social. You're all invited.
>


> cc
>
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[RBW] Re: Night ride, inaugural, for SP dynohub and Cyo N Plus combo.

[Tom Virgil]

Hi Patrick,

Good to know  I am asking about Shutter Precision (SP) dynamos on another 
thread.  I am OK with buzz.  I am not OK with shimmy.  

On Thursday, October 3, 2013 9:10:02 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Tonight I put in a brief 10.5 mile augmentation to my 12-mile errand ride 
> this afternoon, taking out the Ram with the newly installed SP dynohub and 
> the Cyo N Plus -- both bought NIB but used from listers, for which much 
> thanks -- out on the once-again pitch dark Rio Grande bike path.
>
> Two insouciant coyotes this evening; no racoon.
>
> Frankly, I can't tell any difference either in drag or in illumination 
> compared to the much more expensive Son 20 and Edeluxe combo -- except that 
> the latter comes up to full brightness at a very slightly higher speed. I 
> read that the Cyo uses the same working bits as the Edeluxe, so no surprise 
> there. 
>
> I think that, just perhaps, I detect a sort of very light buzz or hum from 
> the SP at speed that I don't pick up from the SON 20; it's not rough enough 
> to call it a vibration, and I notice it only when I am picking nits. In 
> fact, unless I try to discern it, I don't discern it -- meaning that for 
> practical purposes it doesn't exist.
>
> What wonderful lights compared to what was available just 10 years ago! My 
> first modern foray into dyno lights a good 8 years ago was with a SON 28 
> (36 hole hub cleverly laced into a 28-spoke rim) and a home-made, 
> Cree-powered light made by a fellow lister. It was certainly bright enough, 
> but it was just a flashlight beam and I decided that it wasn't as good as 
> two cheap LED battery lights. I experimented with a number of these until 
> the advent three or four years later of the Fly, which, hugely superior to 
> my flashlight-type LEDs, led in turn to the even better Edeluxe and Cyo. 
> The Edeluxe II is said to be even brighter and more broad -- but at that 
> level of perfection, it quite honestly doesn't really matter to me. I 
> suppose that, for off road use. the E II might be desirable, but I'm quite 
> happy with what I now have.
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Dyno - SP Dynamo Hub

[Tom Virgil]

Hi Kelly,

Based on your experience and what I read around the web, I am impressed.  
There are SV and PV models on ebay in the $125-135 "buy it now" range.  
That is very good compared to the competition.

For Patrick Moore's benefit, 

S = Small Dynamo Hub
P = Powerful Dynamo Hub
X = Extreme Dynamo Hub

D = Disc Brake
V = Cantilever, "V", or Sidepull (no accommodation on hub for disc) Brake

There are voltage and power plots for S, P, and X models on pages 7, 8, and 
9 of the SP Catalog.  The catalog is 
here
.

Thanks for the information and report of your experience.

Tom
V = 



On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 6:06:47 AM UTC-7, Kelly wrote:
>
> Tom
> The PV8 on my wife's Betty Foy, and the PV8 on the Holdsworth, including 
> the other four I've built for friends bikes have all been holding up well. 
>  They have been ridden in raid / mud / light trails on tours etc.   
>
> The drag is undetectable and honestly I can't tell the difference when 
> getting on bikes with Schmidt.  My only complaint is how narrow the flanges 
> are and that only from an aesthetics view point.  
>
> I've only built and used the PV and PD versions.  Purchased all of them on 
> eBay and received them usually within a week to ten days.  Cost was in the 
> 120 dollar price range.
>
> I highly recommend them.
>
> Kelly
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Dyno - SP Dynamo Hub

[Tom Virgil]

More than I ever wanted to know about dynamo lighting outside of the Peter 
White site:  Deep 
Dive<http://swhs.home.xs4all.nl/fiets/tests/verlichting/index_en.html#SP_PD-8>. 
 
A bit of a Nederlands perspective, but thorough.

For sake of completeness:  Peter 
White<http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/schmidt.asp>
.

On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 12:51:22 PM UTC-7, Tom Virgil wrote:
>
> Hi Kelly,
>
> Based on your experience and what I read around the web, I am impressed.  
> There are SV and PV models on ebay in the $125-135 "buy it now" range.  
> That is very good compared to the competition.
>
> For Patrick Moore's benefit, 
>
> S = Small Dynamo Hub
> P = Powerful Dynamo Hub
> X = Extreme Dynamo Hub
>
> D = Disc Brake
> V = Cantilever, "V", or Sidepull (no accommodation on hub for disc) Brake
>
> There are voltage and power plots for S, P, and X models on pages 7, 8, 
> and 9 of the SP Catalog.  The catalog is 
> here<http://issuu.com/borjoulin/docs/sp2013-03?e=8884331/4327534>
> .
>
> Thanks for the information and report of your experience.
>
> Tom
> V = 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 6:06:47 AM UTC-7, Kelly wrote:
>>
>> Tom
>> The PV8 on my wife's Betty Foy, and the PV8 on the Holdsworth, including 
>> the other four I've built for friends bikes have all been holding up well. 
>>  They have been ridden in raid / mud / light trails on tours etc.   
>>
>> The drag is undetectable and honestly I can't tell the difference when 
>> getting on bikes with Schmidt.  My only complaint is how narrow the flanges 
>> are and that only from an aesthetics view point.  
>>
>> I've only built and used the PV and PD versions.  Purchased all of them 
>> on eBay and received them usually within a week to ten days.  Cost was in 
>> the 120 dollar price range.
>>
>> I highly recommend them.
>>
>> Kelly
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Speaking of Off-Pavent Rides... Come to Redlands this Spring!

[Tom Virgil]

Just plain excellent.  Marking my calendar.  Thank you, David, for 
proposing this.  Hope we see some of the usual suspects.

On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 6:14:19 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Over the years, the SoCal chapter of the Rivendell Bicycle 
> Appreciation Society has put on a lot of great rides! 
>
> I've loved EVERY one I've been on, and met a lot of greatpeople. 
> They've actually lead to some pretty good friendships IRL, which is 
> the best part of them. The other thing I love is seeing new areas of 
> the state I've never been to. Amazing to explore back-country from San 
> Diego to Ventura with the above-mentioned folks. 
>
> I also love the idea of the organized rides/brevets/populairs that are 
> happening like the D2R2 in Vermont, and La Ruta Loca in the Bay Area. 
>
> So I think to myself: Why not combine the two? Which gives us this: 
> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/ 
>
> Some locals and I are trying to put on an "organized" ride, that shows 
> the best of Inland Southern California in the Spring, and keeps people 
> on as much dirt as possible. The rest is majority back/rural roads. 
> Many of the SoCal rides have been on parts of this route, but this 
> links the segments together in an amazing loop that comes out at just 
> about 100km. 
>
> A decent amount of climbing to keep folks honest, but there are no 
> chest-bursters. Some singletrack as well. Not terrible technical, but 
> 1km section of climbing that may cause some walking. Not a biggie. 
>
> The vibe aimed for his an extended Riv-Ride. There are no timing 
> devices, no podium spots, no t-shirts, just the knowledge that it'll 
> be good people on a good route. 
>
> And it's free! Not a money-maker, either for for profit or charity. 
> Just a good ride! I am trying to arrange a post-ride meal and party 
> hosted by the Redlands Bike BBQ http://www.bikebbq.com/ that will be a 
> donations-only set up. They're good people and I'd like to help them 
> out, but again, that's not the point of the ride. 
>
> So long/short: The ride is on March 15th, 2014. Weather should be 
> great. I hope many of you can make it here for this. Cheap/clean/safe 
> hotels in town. Quaint historic downtown to walk around and lots of 
> Victorian, Arts & Crafts, MCM homes to look at for significant others 
> that may not be into the whole 100km bike ride thing. 
>
> Oh, and two independent breweries in town as well. Just thought I'd 
> mention that! 
>
>
> -- 
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> David 
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Speaking of Off-Pavent Rides... Come to Redlands this Spring!

[Tom Virgil]

On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 8:02:41 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I hope to see you there! 
>
> You won't even need your mobile ice-chest if things go according to plan! 
>
 The beer and ice run allowed me to ride San Mateo unfettered (except on 
the way back with the beer and ice).  I will never forget the reception as 
I rode into the camp. Worth ever penny for the beer and ice.   Priceless 
for new friendships and associations.



> On 10/9/13, Tom Virgil > wrote: 
> > Just plain excellent.  Marking my calendar.  Thank you, David, for 
> > proposing this.  Hope we see some of the usual suspects. 
> > 
> > On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 6:14:19 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.comwrote: 
> >> 
> >> Over the years, the SoCal chapter of the Rivendell Bicycle 
> >> Appreciation Society has put on a lot of great rides! 
> >> 
> >> I've loved EVERY one I've been on, and met a lot of greatpeople. 
> >> They've actually lead to some pretty good friendships IRL, which is 
> >> the best part of them. The other thing I love is seeing new areas of 
> >> the state I've never been to. Amazing to explore back-country from San 
> >> Diego to Ventura with the above-mentioned folks. 
> >> 
> >> I also love the idea of the organized rides/brevets/populairs that are 
> >> happening like the D2R2 in Vermont, and La Ruta Loca in the Bay Area. 
> >> 
> >> So I think to myself: Why not combine the two? Which gives us this: 
> >> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/ 
> >> 
> >> Some locals and I are trying to put on an "organized" ride, that shows 
> >> the best of Inland Southern California in the Spring, and keeps people 
> >> on as much dirt as possible. The rest is majority back/rural roads. 
> >> Many of the SoCal rides have been on parts of this route, but this 
> >> links the segments together in an amazing loop that comes out at just 
> >> about 100km. 
> >> 
> >> A decent amount of climbing to keep folks honest, but there are no 
> >> chest-bursters. Some singletrack as well. Not terrible technical, but 
> >> 1km section of climbing that may cause some walking. Not a biggie. 
> >> 
> >> The vibe aimed for his an extended Riv-Ride. There are no timing 
> >> devices, no podium spots, no t-shirts, just the knowledge that it'll 
> >> be good people on a good route. 
> >> 
> >> And it's free! Not a money-maker, either for for profit or charity. 
> >> Just a good ride! I am trying to arrange a post-ride meal and party 
> >> hosted by the Redlands Bike BBQ http://www.bikebbq.com/ that will be a 
> >> donations-only set up. They're good people and I'd like to help them 
> >> out, but again, that's not the point of the ride. 
> >> 
> >> So long/short: The ride is on March 15th, 2014. Weather should be 
> >> great. I hope many of you can make it here for this. Cheap/clean/safe 
> >> hotels in town. Quaint historic downtown to walk around and lots of 
> >> Victorian, Arts & Crafts, MCM homes to look at for significant others 
> >> that may not be into the whole 100km bike ride thing. 
> >> 
> >> Oh, and two independent breweries in town as well. Just thought I'd 
> >> mention that! 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> Cheers, 
> >> David 
> >> 
> >> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal 
> >> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen Romulus In Sacramento?

[Tom Virgil]

If you are using Romulus as second declension, accusative, that would be 
Romulos.

Man, I am still suffering from being taught by the Jesuits.

On Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:04:35 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> I bet there aren't many bike shops in Sacramento that sold Romuluses. 
> Maybe a check with them? 
>
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Leslie > 
> wrote: 
> > You can only check w/ so many, but I'd suggest checking local LBS's to 
> see if anyone posted a note about it being stolen, or, perhaps the local 
> counties' sheriffs? 
> > Craigslist, see if someone posts there about it? 
> > Anywho, disregard my QBP comment; I was thinking of the Bleriot...  Doh! 
> > 
> > -L 
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[RBW] Re: Mount Laguna_S240_San Diego, CA

[Tom Virgil]

Alas, I have to deal with the ball and chain Friday and into the weekend.

I have done most all of this in various separate segments and I know you 
guys are in for a fantastic time. 

My one additional recommendation would be that anyone coming up 78 from 
Escondido to Julian carbo load at Dudley's Bakery in Santa Ysabel.  It is 
at the junction of 78 and 79 before you get to Julian.  October specials 
are German Black and Jalepeno Cheddar breads.

Best regards,

Tom

On Monday, October 14, 2013 4:31:56 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Hey SoCal Riv riders,
>
> I know this is extremely shot notice...have been reluctant to make a post 
> as my lower back (Dirt drop & upright bars in my horizon) hasn't been 
> cooperating, two weeks ago I had to bail on a ride I organized. Since my 
> back has been given the go ahead here are the details:
>
> Friday 18th of October. The place Julian, CA  Meet up Bailey Pit Barbecue 
> on Main Street at 1:30 pm. Ride out Hwy 79 up S1 Sunrise Hwy and jump on 
> some dirt roads and single track around Big Laguna Lake and make camp at 
> Desert Overlook Camp http://freecampsites.net/#!7913&query=sitedetails 
> approximately 
> 21 miles + with the dirt sections increasing the distance sightly. On 
> Saturday drop down to Pine Valley for Breakfast, then ride the 25 miles 
> back to Julian via Hwy 79 through lake Cuyamaca.
>
> Disclosure: I have never stayed at this camp and it appears to be in the 
> Cleveland National Forest "Federal" and it may have a gate blocking access 
> in. I figure to stealth camp if the camp is closed. Also there is no water, 
> though it is adjacent to a Federal camp which does have water normally but 
> the "Feds" may have turned off the water supply, therefore plan on bringing 
> extra water. I plan on bringing two Platyapuses about 4 liters plus three 
> water bottles.
>
> Beer and or Pie in Julian post ride.
>
> Look forward to riding with all of you.
>
> Best,
>
> ~Hugh
>

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[RBW] Re: New to me, Sam Hilborne coming soon.

[Tom Virgil]

Thomas,

Love my Samuel Hilborne with 
Albas.  
I suspect you are going to really enjoy yours.

Another Tom with a Sam.

On Friday, October 18, 2013 10:50:09 AM UTC-7, blakcloud wrote:
>
> The demo Sam Hilborne was up on the Riv site this morning and I bought it. 
> Should be here in about two weeks and I am pretty excited. I have never 
> bought a bike I have never sat on before, so this is a test and a little 
> nerve racking. I will post photos when it arrives and after I modify it 
> slightly with parts I have on hand. It comes with drop bars and silver bar 
> end shifters, which will be changed out to Albatross bars and Dura Ace bar 
> ends. I also have Hetre tires that will be swapped out. Porteur rack and 
> basket will be added for functionality. 
>
> This bike will be used for leisure rides with my wife who has her Betty 
> Foy. 
>
> I have officially entered the RBW Owners Bunch with my own Rivendell!!
>
> Thomas
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sunday Solo Sites of San Diego Ride

[Tom Virgil]

Curtis,

That is a classic "bike by the bay".  I love it.  Esteban's "Mid-City 
Mixie" looks great as well.  Would be honored to ride either of them with 
you folks.

Tom

On Sunday, October 13, 2013 6:41:46 PM UTC-7, Curtis wrote:
>
> Public transportation to downtown San Diego then along the water front. 
> Hit Pt. Loma and a national monument before catching the wind when heading 
> east along the San Diego river.
>
> A few pics. 
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/97010676@N07/sets/72157636525044213/
> .
>
> Ride save,
>
> Curtis
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Question / Poll/ Crazy idea? Read on...

[Tom Virgil]

I like the idea a lot.

Tom

On Monday, October 21, 2013 5:27:07 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Hi Bunch,
>
> Back in August some of us SoCal Rivsters did an S240 down in Southern 
> Orange County (San Onofre) were okay and our "RAD" levels are normal...my 
> Friend Curtis loaned me a book "Road to Valor" The Gino Bartali story that 
> he picked up on a Summer vacation visiting I believe his daughter in 
> Massachusetts, he had this idea of passing the book along and seeing where 
> and who it ended up with...I could have just given it to anyone but have 
> been mulling over how to do this? The story is fantastic.
>
> Here's my thought. I could start a topic offering the book for someone to 
> read send it, they read it sign it and then offer it to the next soul to 
> read...that sounds nice but how to keep track of it? Perhaps I thought I 
> could make a new group devoted to media about bicycling, then once you've 
> finished the media you make your comments about it...then pass it along 
> paying it forward. 
>
> The media title would be the post and all subsequent readers would say who 
> they are and what city they're in and make comments sort of like an 
> informal book club.I or anyone then can post a topic here directing to the 
> other group.
>
> Well there it is...comments welcome. Once I get a feel about this 
> (feedback) I'll decide to either proceed or come up with another way.Of 
> course Jim E. let me know if this would pollute this group and I'll make it 
> completely independent.
>
> Best Intentions,
>
> ~Hugh
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fine steel wool to polish bullmoose h-bars?

[Tom Virgil]

You mentioned polish did not work.  Tried Mother's or Magic Wadding?  Fine 
rubbing compound?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fine steel wool to polish bullmoose h-bars?

[Tom Virgil]

Yes, that's the stuff.

On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:51:11 PM UTC-7, Jason Cloutier wrote:
>
> Is Magic Wadding similar to Nev-R-Dull?
>
> Jason Cloutier
> Pawtucket, RI
>
> On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 4:32:45 PM UTC-4, Tom Virgil wrote:
>>
>> You mentioned polish did not work.  Tried Mother's or Magic Wadding? 
>>  Fine rubbing compound?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Fine steel wool to polish bullmoose h-bars?

[Tom Virgil]

If all else fails, here's to beausage.

On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:10:57 AM UTC-7, Perry wrote:
>
> I have some bullmoose dull bright cromo h-bars with the faintest scuffs 
> from inserting MTB bar ends up near the front of the bends of the bar. 
> These are scuffs, not scratches. Polish won't remove them. Any thought on 
> using a fine steel wool? 
>
> • Perry 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Mt. Laguna S24O

[Tom Virgil]

Thank you Evan, Curtis, and Hugh for the pictures.  That was some fine 
riding and camping.

On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 4:15:21 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Here's Curtis's set on the S240
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/97010676@N07/sets/72157636779432626/
>
> ~Hugh
>
> On Sunday, October 20, 2013 11:14:43 AM UTC-7, Coconutbill wrote:
>>
>> My first venture to San Diego county, was epic. after biking to the 
>> metrolink, I caught the Amtrak in Burbank, met Hugh, we drove to Julian, 
>> met Bruce and Curtis, & we all rode out to the wilderness.
>>
>> Due to a late start, and a setting sun, we found refuge above a meadow, & 
>> just below some trees, which served as an effective wind-cover. Not so long 
>> after setting up camp, Curtis selflessly shared sips of his single 120z 
>> beer (Anderson valley oatmeal stout) , and Hugh his delicious indian 
>> lentils and brown rice. 
>>
>> A full moon illuminated the sky. the warmth of the day dropped quickly 
>> from a toasty 50° to somewhere in high 30°'s. Slept intermittently, tracing 
>> the moon left to right across my field of vision. 
>>
>> What a nice place to wake up, I thought. Surrounded by trees and with 
>> good friends. After a small snack and coffee in camp, we rode into town, 
>> had a seriously delicious breakfast, and embarked on the crowning jewel 
>> of the trip, which was the singletrack leading us to the lake. (Not that 
>> many pictures because it was sandy as heck!). Curtis broke from the group 
>> here, taking another trail that led him towards his friend's Cabin, and the 
>> rest of us (me and the Smithams), trucked onwards towards Julian. 
>>
>> pictures prove it happened: 
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/coconutbill/sets/72157636761721955/
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day.

[Tom Virgil]

Fantastic.  It's got great bones.  Great as it is, your enhancements are 
going to make it awesome.

Tom

On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 12:44:25 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Christmas came early.
>
> Been busy between receiving the bike from North Seattle thanks Suzy... so 
> here is the new bicycle and project.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalpusher61/10561359604/
>
> Taking it down to Carlsbad, CA  this November for some new braze on's, 
> kick stand plate and a fresh coat of paint...then the fun begins with all 
> new parts I have been collecting. 
>
> ~Hugh
>

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[RBW] Re: My first Riv - at long last. with pic.

[Tom Virgil]

It's a fine looking Sam, cbone.  Happy to hear you are enjoying it with 
your family.  My "new" (May 24th 2013) just sailed through 2400 miles this 
weekend and I am really liking it.  Meanwhile I have met some wonderful 
people at an S24O and on this forum.

Best regards,

Tom

On Sunday, November 3, 2013 8:24:38 AM UTC-8, cbone97 wrote:
>
> Sharing my happiness.  
>
> After a few years and as many times of nearly ordering a frame from Riv; I 
> bought a used Sam frame used here on the bunch, slapped on my Nitto rear 
> rack, wide low
> doubles and grip kings (from previous bike), placed an order with Riv (bar 
> tape, twine, tires, cables, kickstand, thumb shifter, shop sack), and 
> another with (not-Riv) for, ummthe rest including Brooks Aged B17, 
> Tektro cantis, TRP RRL levers, rear derailer (i don't run a front), a Nitto 
> dirt drop quill, and Nitto Rando B132 bars.  Wheels are Velocity Dyads; one 
> came with the frame and another from Hiawatha Cyclery (thanks Jim!).
>
> I feel a little guilty for not getting a couple of the Rivailable things 
> from not-Riv, but I save a buck where I can to fund Riv-only / 
> Riv-cheap-as-anywhere stuff - like the shop sack (this is a great, great 
> product whether or not you have a bike to put it on!), *Just Ride*, 
> knickers, etc.  Grant, please forgive me.
>
> I am LOVING this bike.  The Sam frame is a comfy dream.  It's my first 
> 700c bike and even though the Contis are not skinny, they are to me and I 
> feel like a knife in hot butter compared to any other bike I've ever 
> ridden. The drop bars are another first and I have 'em way up on high where 
> they're comfortable and can't be mistaken for anything like racer-mimicry. 
>  I had a local bike shop put on the cables and set the brakes and der.  The 
> mechanic called me and asked where I wanted the thumb lever.  I hadn't 
> given it that much thought, so I reply "near the stem, wherever works."  I 
> was surprised to find he mounted the humble SunRace *on* the stem where 
> it minimizes cablery, stays outta my way, and works perfect.  Many thanks 
> to this innovative mechanic!
>
> What's next?  Twining my h'bars, cutting down and bolting on the 
> kickstand, and getting a front rack for my med. Wald basket and Riv Shop 
> Sack. Can't wait!   
>
> Yesterday was its first day out here in Columbia MO - just an easy spin 
> around Cosmo park with my lovely wife and 2 wonderful sons - which reminded 
> me how blessed I am.  If any of you end up in CoMO, give me a holler.  
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Possible One Pot Meal for S24O

[Tom Virgil]

I am going to see if the Trangia has the umph to pull this off this weekend.

http://www.lottieanddoof.com/2013/06/one-pan-pasta/

I think I will get the water boiling in the kettle and then pour over the 
ingredients in the pan.  From there,  cook until pasta is al dente, garnish 
with basil, serve with extra EVOO and Parmesan.

Will report in on success or lack thereof.

Tom
 

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[RBW] Re: Flash San Diego Riv Ride Saturday the 9th.

[Tom Virgil]

This circumnavigates my stomping ground, so I am in for some or all of it.  
Would not want to miss you guys 

Are you thinking 15th and Camino Del Mar, South to Carmel Valley Road, East 
to Sorrento Valley Road, South to Sorrento Valley Blvd, East to 
Penasquitos?  The initial stretch on Sorrento Valley Road is bikes and 
pedestrians only with the lagoon to the West side.  There is a Performance 
Bicycle Store in the midst of Sorrento Valley in case anyone needs bike 
stuff in a pinch.

I like the ride West through bucolic RSF, but have an alternative for those 
that like dirt.  On the way West, Black Mountain Road and Carmel Valley 
Road West on Carmel Valley Road to Rancho Santa Fe Farms Road, North on 
Rancho Santa Fe Farms Road to the Gonzales Canyon entrance, West through 
Gonzales Canyon to Old El Camino Real.

Map of Gonzales 
Canyon

A Reader 
Articlewith
 some history about Gonzales.

Best regards,

Tom

On Tuesday, November 5, 2013 6:32:34 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Hi SoCal Riv Riders especially San Diegans,
>
> Flash ride! If you don't have anything planned then here is an opportunity 
> to see some beautiful North County San Diego terrain.
>
> When: *Saturday November 9th* *11:00 am*
>
> Where: Meet up at *Del Mar Starbucks corner of 15th & Camino Del Mar*.
>
> Ride: A mixed terrain route up Los Penasquitos Canyon Preserve through the 
> Bucolic Rancho Santa Fe and ending in Solana Beach, CA by the Pacific and 
> Pizza Port for no other than liquid carbohydrates and pizza pie!
>
> Approximately 26 miles not too many climbs more rolling, but if you 
> complain we can always add a few 15% grades to make you happy.
>
> Come one come all! *If your visiting San Diego then join in on the fun*.
>
> I will have a route slips for everyone.
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Possible One Pot Meal for S24O

[Tom Virgil]

<https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-TNs_RRuFXQk/UnvOxGRQAxI/ABQ/r-tplqwTuHg/s1600/IMG_9652.jpg>

*One-Pan Pasta* (adapted slightly from *Martha Stewart 
Living*<http://www.marthastewart.com/978784/one-pan-pasta>
)
 
   - 12 ounces linguine
   - 12 ounces cherry or grape tomatoes, halved or quartered if large
   - 1 onion, thinly sliced (about 2 cups)
   - 6 cloves garlic, thinly sliced
   - 1/2- 3/4 teaspoon red-pepper flakes
   - 2 sprigs basil, plus torn leaves for garnish
   - 2-3 tablespoons extra-virgin olive oil, plus more for serving
   - kosher salt and freshly ground pepper
   - 4 1/2 cups water
   - Lots of freshly grated Parmesan cheese, for serving

 Combine pasta, tomatoes, onion, garlic, red-pepper flakes, basil, oil, 2 
teaspoons kosher salt, 1/4 teaspoon pepper, and water in a large 
straight-sided skillet. Bring to a boil over high heat. Boil mixture, 
stirring and turning pasta frequently with tongs, until pasta is al dente 
and water has nearly evaporated, about 9 minutes.


<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-mwFs_N08iCk/UnvO5oHZKoI/ABY/fMspFDEwZyQ/s1600/IMG_9669.jpg>


Season to taste with salt and pepper, divide among 4 bowls, and garnish 
with basil. Serve with oil and Parmesan.



On Thursday, November 7, 2013 8:30:59 AM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
> Was very curious what culinary feast your hatching but the link doesn't 
> seem to work?
>
> ~Hugh
>
> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 8:24:22 AM UTC-8, Tom Virgil wrote:
>>
>> I am going to see if the Trangia has the umph to pull this off this 
>> weekend.
>>
>> http://www.lottieanddoof.com/2013/06/one-pan-pasta/
>>
>> I think I will get the water boiling in the kettle and then pour over the 
>> ingredients in the pan.  From there,  cook until pasta is al dente, garnish 
>> with basil, serve with extra EVOO and Parmesan.
>>
>> Will report in on success or lack thereof.
>>
>> Tom
>>  
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Possible One Pot Meal for S24O

[Tom Virgil]

I am thinking along the same lines, Anne.  I have the Trangia 25-8 with 1.5 
and 1.75 liter pots.  2 portions seems more in range.

I think picking up a baguette on the way to camp would cap things off 
nicely.

Tom

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:49:05 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> Sounds delicious. I think you have to halve it though. Those are one quart 
> pots, I'm pretty sure. The recipe as written won't fit.
>
> On Thursday, November 7, 2013, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
>> I think with a stove full of fuel, and judicious use of the simmer lid 
>> when you get things up to temperature, there's no reason why you can't make 
>> this meal.
>>
>> I was cooking quinoa and stuff like that on my tour and never ran into 
>> problems.
>>
>> cc
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Tom Virgil  wrote:
>>
>>> I am going to see if the Trangia has the umph to pull this off this 
>>> weekend.
>>>
>>> http://www.lottieanddoof.com/2013/06/one-pan-pasta/
>>>
>>> I think I will get the water boiling in the kettle and then pour over 
>>> the ingredients in the pan.  From there,  cook until pasta is al dente, 
>>> garnish with basil, serve with extra EVOO and Parmesan.
>>>
>>> Will report in on success or lack thereof.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>  
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[RBW] Re: Possible One Pot Meal for S24O

[Tom Virgil]

25-8.  The pots are 1.75 and 1.5 liters.   That translates to 1.59 and 1.85 
quarts.  The kettle is 0.9 liters or 0.95 quart. The recipe calls for 4.5 
cups of water, or 1.125 quarts plus ingredients.  So I think halving the 
recipe would be best for my capacity.

I think the 27 series are 1 liter, 

-Tom

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 9:12:16 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
> Which stove do you have the 27-7 or 25-7?
>
> ~Hugh
>
> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 8:24:22 AM UTC-8, Tom Virgil wrote:
>>
>> I am going to see if the Trangia has the umph to pull this off this 
>> weekend.
>>
>> http://www.lottieanddoof.com/2013/06/one-pan-pasta/
>>
>> I think I will get the water boiling in the kettle and then pour over the 
>> ingredients in the pan.  From there,  cook until pasta is al dente, garnish 
>> with basil, serve with extra EVOO and Parmesan.
>>
>> Will report in on success or lack thereof.
>>
>> Tom
>>  
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Flash San Diego Riv Ride Saturday the 9th.

[Tom Virgil]

We might want to rethink Gonzales based on how many fender people are 
there.  The West end has a lot of sand, sticks, and leaves so bucolic RSF 
would be better for fender people.   I am guessing that you are thinking of 
something like Black Mountain to Del Sur on Carmel Valley Road, Carmel 
Valley Road to San Dieguito on Del Sur, and San Dieguito out to El Camino 
Real.  Either route or any of the many other alternatives will make for a 
grand ride.

- Tom

On Tuesday, November 5, 2013 6:32:34 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Hi SoCal Riv Riders especially San Diegans,
>
> Flash ride! If you don't have anything planned then here is an opportunity 
> to see some beautiful North County San Diego terrain.
>
> When: *Saturday November 9th* *11:00 am*
>
> Where: Meet up at *Del Mar Starbucks corner of 15th & Camino Del Mar*.
>
> Ride: A mixed terrain route up Los Penasquitos Canyon Preserve through the 
> Bucolic Rancho Santa Fe and ending in Solana Beach, CA by the Pacific and 
> Pizza Port for no other than liquid carbohydrates and pizza pie!
>
> Approximately 26 miles not too many climbs more rolling, but if you 
> complain we can always add a few 15% grades to make you happy.
>
> Come one come all! *If your visiting San Diego then join in on the fun*.
>
> I will have a route slips for everyone.
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Flash San Diego Riv Ride Saturday the 9th.

[Tom Virgil]

Hugh,

I have the SKS Secu-Clips for break-away.  Provided everyone is confident, 
let's go for it.

Depending on how badly everyone wants to get back to the Pizza Port and 
beer, there are many, many side trips and diversions off Carmel Valley Road 
and Gonzales.  A lot of fun.

- Tom



On Friday, November 8, 2013 8:51:24 AM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Tom you had me on the Gonzales Canyon. I don't mind sand as I have no 
> problem walking if necessary. Plus my fenders break away in an emergency. 
> Lets do it.
>
>
> Best,
>
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Tom Virgil 
> > wrote:
>
>> We might want to rethink Gonzales based on how many fender people are 
>> there.  The West end has a lot of sand, sticks, and leaves so bucolic RSF 
>> would be better for fender people.   I am guessing that you are thinking of 
>> something like Black Mountain to Del Sur on Carmel Valley Road, Carmel 
>> Valley Road to San Dieguito on Del Sur, and San Dieguito out to El Camino 
>> Real.  Either route or any of the many other alternatives will make for a 
>> grand ride.
>>
>> - Tom
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 5, 2013 6:32:34 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>>> Hi SoCal Riv Riders especially San Diegans,
>>>
>>> Flash ride! If you don't have anything planned then here is an 
>>> opportunity to see some beautiful North County San Diego terrain.
>>>
>>> When: *Saturday November 9th* *11:00 am*
>>>
>>> Where: Meet up at *Del Mar Starbucks corner of 15th & Camino Del Mar*.
>>>
>>> Ride: A mixed terrain route up Los Penasquitos Canyon Preserve through 
>>> the Bucolic Rancho Santa Fe and ending in Solana Beach, CA by the Pacific 
>>> and Pizza Port for no other than liquid carbohydrates and pizza pie!
>>>
>>> Approximately 26 miles not too many climbs more rolling, but if you 
>>> complain we can always add a few 15% grades to make you happy.
>>>
>>> Come one come all! *If your visiting San Diego then join in on the fun*.
>>>
>>> I will have a route slips for everyone.
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Flash San Diego Riv Ride Saturday the 9th.

[Tom Virgil]

Ratz.  just learned I have a work related lunch meeting on Sat.

But...

Wild horses are not going to keep me away from this ride.  My campus at 
work is above Penasquitos and there are several ways I can ride and 
intercept from there.  The wheel turns as the wheel turns, but here is a 
rough approximation of the ride in three parts.

Flash Ride Part 1 
Flash Ride Part 2 
Flash Ride Part 3 

I am out of the meeting at 1:00

It will take you approximately 1 hour 38 minutes to ride part 1 at a 
constant 10 mph.  Adding approximately 1 hour more for coffee at Starbucks, 
contemplation of the larger scheme of things at the waterfall in 
Penasquitos, and rest breaks, that would put you through the intersection 
of Del Sur Blvd and Carmel Valley Road at about 1:40.  That is the start of 
part 2.   I will intercept you there for part 2.  I can get there a little 
early and can wait for quite some time.

Hugh, I sent you a contact number via gmail in case we need to synchronize.

Oh, part 3 gives some suggestions for the way back to Pizza Port using some 
of the new parts of the Coast to Crest Trail.  More dirt.

- Tom


On Tuesday, November 5, 2013 6:32:34 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Hi SoCal Riv Riders especially San Diegans,
>
> Flash ride! If you don't have anything planned then here is an opportunity 
> to see some beautiful North County San Diego terrain.
>
> When: *Saturday November 9th* *11:00 am*
>
> Where: Meet up at *Del Mar Starbucks corner of 15th & Camino Del Mar*.
>
> Ride: A mixed terrain route up Los Penasquitos Canyon Preserve through the 
> Bucolic Rancho Santa Fe and ending in Solana Beach, CA by the Pacific and 
> Pizza Port for no other than liquid carbohydrates and pizza pie!
>
> Approximately 26 miles not too many climbs more rolling, but if you 
> complain we can always add a few 15% grades to make you happy.
>
> Come one come all! *If your visiting San Diego then join in on the fun*.
>
> I will have a route slips for everyone.
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Flash San Diego Riv Ride Saturday the 9th.

[Tom Virgil]

Got it Curtis :-)  I will be riding fenders on the Sam.  Since my somewhat 
inconsiderate employer decided to book me for lunch tomorrow with a certain 
South Korean manufacturer of cell phones and ace me out of part 1 of the 
ride, I left work early today and reconed the west end of Gonzales on my 
29er to get an update on trail conditions as they are now.  It is always 
changing base on rain and horse impact.

Reference is made to the Gonzales Canyon 
Map.

I rode all the way West to the SeaBreeze Stables.  It led to a somewhat 
unfortunate conversation between myself and the equestrians.  I was 
diplomatic.  The equestrians, not so much.  We are not getting through 
there unless we get chased by nasty people on horses who don't like 
bicycles.  The people don't like us, the horses are OK.  I can charm a 
horse.  Too bad since SeaBreeze seems to have co-opted some public ROW that 
runs through their stables under the high power tension lines.  I 
backtracked to the lagoon trail (blue on the map) and climbed to Las 
Brisas.  Not too hard for me in terms of energy, but ruts, sand, and 
rockbed took about everything a 19 lb carbon fiber dual suspension 
Specialized Epic can do.  I would not feel comfortable on the fendered Sam. 
I backtracked and took the power line service road (red on the map) back up 
to to Dog Park in the Torrey Highlands Park.  It is a well groomed fire 
road, but a bit steep.  Worst case, a twenty minute walk up the Service 
Road with your bicycle.  Better, some parts are rideable.  I rode it all 
the way on the Epic.  

This is Hugh's deal and God bless him for proposing it.  I''ll defer to him 
and the group consensus as we go.

Looking forward to seeing you folks tomorrow.

-Tom





On Friday, November 8, 2013 5:54:43 PM UTC-8, Curtis wrote:
>
> Just installed fenders. So I will ride with fenders. 
>
> On Friday, November 8, 2013, Mike Schiller wrote:
>
>> All those dirt sections will be new to me. Looking forward to the ride, 
>> sans fenders. 
>> I was looking at riding the Coaster down,but the weekend schedule is very 
>> limited. I'll have to drive & park.
>>
>> ~mike
>>
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[RBW] Re: Flash San Diego Riv Ride Saturday the 9th.

[Tom Virgil]

I had work commitments at noon and some "honey do's" before sunset, but I 
managed to do the middle segment with Hugh, Curtis and Mike.  Connecting at 
mid ride went off without a hitch.  Hugh called me from Black Mountain Road 
and Carmel Mountain Road and 15 minutes later they were rolling into Santa 
Luz where I was waiting.

We biked the bikes, talked the talk, and shared gratitude with each other 
at the sheer joy of being able to do this kind of thing.  Thank you, Hugh, 
for coming up with the concept of a "Flash Ride" and being adaptable about 
it.  I'll go for it again.

My real camera was on the fritz due to low batteries (gotta watch for that 
in the future) so I only have a few iPhone shots at 
flickr. 
 Hugh and Curtis seem to be far more expert at this I am, so we will see.

In the last two images, Mike is walking, Curtis is riding.   Not shown, but 
Hugh rode a good part of a challenging 
trail.  
As for my self, I pushed, pulled and crawled up it with a bike in portage, 
but it was well worth it.

This is only the second time I have been out with Rivsters, but I have to 
say I really enjoyed it.  These are some great guys to spend time with.

Now on to tomorrow:  the one pot Trangia meal.

Thank you, Hugh, Curtis, and Mike.

Tom



On Tuesday, November 5, 2013 6:32:34 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Hi SoCal Riv Riders especially San Diegans,
>
> Flash ride! If you don't have anything planned then here is an opportunity 
> to see some beautiful North County San Diego terrain.
>
> When: *Saturday November 9th* *11:00 am*
>
> Where: Meet up at *Del Mar Starbucks corner of 15th & Camino Del Mar*.
>
> Ride: A mixed terrain route up Los Penasquitos Canyon Preserve through the 
> Bucolic Rancho Santa Fe and ending in Solana Beach, CA by the Pacific and 
> Pizza Port for no other than liquid carbohydrates and pizza pie!
>
> Approximately 26 miles not too many climbs more rolling, but if you 
> complain we can always add a few 15% grades to make you happy.
>
> Come one come all! *If your visiting San Diego then join in on the fun*.
>
> I will have a route slips for everyone.
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Catalogue

[Tom Virgil]

Mine came today with an order of Tektro brakes (More on that later, as for 
my plans for them. :-/).  It is so much more than a catalog, a "read" on 
concept for each of the categories of components.  I am still pouring 
through it.  What a pleasure.

On Sunday, November 3, 2013 11:19:39 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I had a pleasant surprise last week when I found the new Riv catalogue in 
> the box. As good as a reader! If Grant keeps up his diary, the dearth of 
> bike stuff to read won't be as great.
>
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[RBW] Re: Flash San Diego Riv Ride Saturday the 9th.

[Tom Virgil]

It was good, Evan.  As Hugh says, "There will be more...".  Come on down to 
San Diego and I would be honored to ride with you.

On Saturday, November 9, 2013 10:52:28 PM UTC-8, Coconutbill wrote:
>
> Sure looks like a great ride, fellas.
>>
> Did the equestrians give you much trouble?
> Sorry this one slipped away, but there'll be more. looking forward,
>
> -Evan
>  
>
>>  
>>
>  
>>
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[RBW] Re: Flash San Diego Riv Ride Report

[Tom Virgil]

These were wonderful gentlemen to ride with.

"Gonzales Canyon" which we dropped into and the rest of the world melted 
away..."  It was exactly that.  I live nearby and feel that "escape" every 
time I go in.  This time was special with you guys.

I told Jahantab about our Alejandro sighting at RSF and CVR, or at least 
his belongings on the cart.  That motivated her to cut up some melon (it 
was a hot day), pack some frozen food we had (he has a stove), and meet up 
there with me on the bike (she does not do bikes, she drove).  We talked 
for about an hour, the three of us.  He is, very much, "the fool on the 
hill".  I am intrigued, but wonder in my heart what really is the right 
thing to do about him.

~blessings,

Tom



On Sunday, November 10, 2013 7:01:43 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> It happened again another awesome SoCal Riv ride...Met Curtis and Mike in 
> Del Mar after I dropped off the Atlantis Frame and Fork with Mr. Allen 
> Wanta in Carlsbad for additional braze on's and a fresh coat of paint, had 
> to tear my self away as talking bike stuff can make me lose track of time 
> and space, oh right I did lose some time! Was about half and hour late to 
> the meet up fortunately I have one of those modern devices and gave Curtis 
> a heads up.
>
> We left the Del Martians behind and traveled South toward Torrey Pines 
> State Beach and made a turn East along Carmel Valley Rd skirting the Torrey 
> Pines Preserve lagoon fed by Penaquitos Creek. Just before Interstate 5 we 
> make a right onto Old Sorrento Valley Rd which transitions into Sorrento 
> Valley Rd, we made a pit stop at Cycle Quest tucked into a strip mall in 
> the shadow of Interstate 5 need to go back and really check the place out, 
> you can see the mixed terrain vibe is growing as this shop had Surly and 
> Salsa among other brands. I think we were all anxious to be free of 
> automotive traffic so we rolled over the rail road tracks up Sorrento 
> Valley Blvd and crossed into the Western edge of Penasquitos Canyon making 
> our way over a dry water course and had ridden no more than a couple of 
> miles before we spotted a group from the San Diego Randonneurs travelling 
> West...Mike chatted about their web site and future rides and Randonneur 
> bikes, very nice fellows all atop 29ers. We made our way up the canyon and 
> okay about this time I was in bliss smooth fire road and single track oh 
> and floating over the rough patches were the remounted Hetres hooray for 
> balloon tires.
>
> Continuing on we paused at the Penasquitos water falls and ook in views of 
> the surprising amount of water, but we had a meet up with our fellow Riv 
> rider Tom Virgil so we picked up the pace and giddily glided to the Eastern 
> edge of the Preserve at Black Mountain Rd. From here we climbed North up to 
> Carmel Valley Rd  turned left West toward Camino Del Sur and Tom, who had 
> camera phone in hand.and his luxurious Sam Hillborne with flipped Albatross 
> bars (unfortunately I didn't get any pictures of Tom's Sam, on the next 
> one) which has me thinking now. We had a brief chat and Tom took us into 
> new territory! 
>
> At a fair clip riding West down Carmel Valley Rd we turned right on to 
> Lopelia Meadow Pl past new model homes and a Danger no pedestrians sign 
> with orange barrier fencing 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalpusher61/10785042006/in/set-72157637527430185
>  (hey 
> it didn't say no bicyclists) before us was a surreal graded plain with 
> farming discards, tomato stakes, graffiti-ed trailer and massive sewer 
> section also adorned with graffiti. We pressed on for our second canyon 
> "Gonzales Canyon" which we dropped into and the rest of the world melted 
> away...more smooth single track with undulating sections as the trail traced 
> a line from canyon floor to it's sloping sides. We paused often both to 
> take in the solitude and route suggestions from Tom...at a point he 
> mentioned a 45% climb and I must say I was skeptical...wrong we all fsound 
> our LCG as we topped out of the Canyon at it's South Western terminus at 
> Torrey Pines Public Park on the back side of Torrey Pine High School. 
>
> We lost Tom to family obligations and we all thanked him for showing us a 
> new playground as this area has a network of fire roads and trails which 
> run for miles upon miles in nearly every direction, more to explore. Can't 
> thank Tom enough he's a wonderful man and great riding partner.
>
> The three of us rode down to El Camino Real heading North and picked up 
> our third dirt section near Via Del Valle Rd (This is near 
> the Equestrian Center Tom spoke of thanks to Tom we avoided any nasty horse 
> people) we entered the San Di

[RBW] Re: Flash San Diego Riv Ride Report

[Tom Virgil]

Although I caught but a part of it, I am still enjoying the memory of this 
ride.  This is the second time I have been out on a Hugh inspired and 
organized ride.  Hugh has a talent for choosing time, location, and routes, 
and I really appreciate him setting this up.  Curtis and Mike are tops as 
fellow riders; it was my second time one with them as well.

The best exclamation of the ride (from Hugh): "There will be more!".

I am still LOL at 
this<http://www.flickr.com//photos/pedalpusher61/sets/72157637527430185/show/>. 
 You guys probably think I am cynical, but I'll stop here and go no further.

Best regards,

Tom

On Sunday, November 10, 2013 7:01:43 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> It happened again another awesome SoCal Riv ride...Met Curtis and Mike in 
> Del Mar after I dropped off the Atlantis Frame and Fork with Mr. Allen 
> Wanta in Carlsbad for additional braze on's and a fresh coat of paint, had 
> to tear my self away as talking bike stuff can make me lose track of time 
> and space, oh right I did lose some time! Was about half and hour late to 
> the meet up fortunately I have one of those modern devices and gave Curtis 
> a heads up.
>
> We left the Del Martians behind and traveled South toward Torrey Pines 
> State Beach and made a turn East along Carmel Valley Rd skirting the Torrey 
> Pines Preserve lagoon fed by Penaquitos Creek. Just before Interstate 5 we 
> make a right onto Old Sorrento Valley Rd which transitions into Sorrento 
> Valley Rd, we made a pit stop at Cycle Quest tucked into a strip mall in 
> the shadow of Interstate 5 need to go back and really check the place out, 
> you can see the mixed terrain vibe is growing as this shop had Surly and 
> Salsa among other brands. I think we were all anxious to be free of 
> automotive traffic so we rolled over the rail road tracks up Sorrento 
> Valley Blvd and crossed into the Western edge of Penasquitos Canyon making 
> our way over a dry water course and had ridden no more than a couple of 
> miles before we spotted a group from the San Diego Randonneurs travelling 
> West...Mike chatted about their web site and future rides and Randonneur 
> bikes, very nice fellows all atop 29ers. We made our way up the canyon and 
> okay about this time I was in bliss smooth fire road and single track oh 
> and floating over the rough patches were the remounted Hetres hooray for 
> balloon tires.
>
> Continuing on we paused at the Penasquitos water falls and ook in views of 
> the surprising amount of water, but we had a meet up with our fellow Riv 
> rider Tom Virgil so we picked up the pace and giddily glided to the Eastern 
> edge of the Preserve at Black Mountain Rd. From here we climbed North up to 
> Carmel Valley Rd  turned left West toward Camino Del Sur and Tom, who had 
> camera phone in hand.and his luxurious Sam Hillborne with flipped Albatross 
> bars (unfortunately I didn't get any pictures of Tom's Sam, on the next 
> one) which has me thinking now. We had a brief chat and Tom took us into 
> new territory! 
>
> At a fair clip riding West down Carmel Valley Rd we turned right on to 
> Lopelia Meadow Pl past new model homes and a Danger no pedestrians sign 
> with orange barrier fencing 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalpusher61/10785042006/in/set-72157637527430185
>  (hey 
> it didn't say no bicyclists) before us was a surreal graded plain with 
> farming discards, tomato stakes, graffiti-ed trailer and massive sewer 
> section also adorned with graffiti. We pressed on for our second canyon 
> "Gonzales Canyon" which we dropped into and the rest of the world melted 
> away...more smooth single track with undulating sections as the trail traced 
> a line from canyon floor to it's sloping sides. We paused often both to 
> take in the solitude and route suggestions from Tom...at a point he 
> mentioned a 45% climb and I must say I was skeptical...wrong we all fsound 
> our LCG as we topped out of the Canyon at it's South Western terminus at 
> Torrey Pines Public Park on the back side of Torrey Pine High School. 
>
> We lost Tom to family obligations and we all thanked him for showing us a 
> new playground as this area has a network of fire roads and trails which 
> run for miles upon miles in nearly every direction, more to explore. Can't 
> thank Tom enough he's a wonderful man and great riding partner.
>
> The three of us rode down to El Camino Real heading North and picked up 
> our third dirt section near Via Del Valle Rd (This is near 
> the Equestrian Center Tom spoke of thanks to Tom we avoided any nasty horse 
> people) we entered the San Dieguito River Park Lagoon trail and rode along 
> the edge of the serene waters of the lagoon with blue sky and 
> sof

[RBW] Re: Flash San Diego Riv Ride Report

[Tom Virgil]

OK, that's not the link I was thinking of and my comments in passing.  In 
the interest of keeping this a Rivendell bicycle forum, I'll let go of it, 
but I am still laughing about it.  The nerve of some people.

On Monday, November 11, 2013 7:19:57 PM UTC-8, Tom Virgil wrote:
>
> Although I caught but a part of it, I am still enjoying the memory of this 
> ride.  This is the second time I have been out on a Hugh inspired and 
> organized ride.  Hugh has a talent for choosing time, location, and routes, 
> and I really appreciate him setting this up.  Curtis and Mike are tops as 
> fellow riders; it was my second time one with them as well.
>
> The best exclamation of the ride (from Hugh): "There will be more!".
>
> I am still LOL at 
> this<http://www.flickr.com//photos/pedalpusher61/sets/72157637527430185/show/>.
>  
>  You guys probably think I am cynical, but I'll stop here and go no further.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Tom
>
> On Sunday, November 10, 2013 7:01:43 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> It happened again another awesome SoCal Riv ride...Met Curtis and Mike in 
>> Del Mar after I dropped off the Atlantis Frame and Fork with Mr. Allen 
>> Wanta in Carlsbad for additional braze on's and a fresh coat of paint, had 
>> to tear my self away as talking bike stuff can make me lose track of time 
>> and space, oh right I did lose some time! Was about half and hour late to 
>> the meet up fortunately I have one of those modern devices and gave Curtis 
>> a heads up.
>>
>> We left the Del Martians behind and traveled South toward Torrey Pines 
>> State Beach and made a turn East along Carmel Valley Rd skirting the Torrey 
>> Pines Preserve lagoon fed by Penaquitos Creek. Just before Interstate 5 we 
>> make a right onto Old Sorrento Valley Rd which transitions into Sorrento 
>> Valley Rd, we made a pit stop at Cycle Quest tucked into a strip mall in 
>> the shadow of Interstate 5 need to go back and really check the place out, 
>> you can see the mixed terrain vibe is growing as this shop had Surly and 
>> Salsa among other brands. I think we were all anxious to be free of 
>> automotive traffic so we rolled over the rail road tracks up Sorrento 
>> Valley Blvd and crossed into the Western edge of Penasquitos Canyon making 
>> our way over a dry water course and had ridden no more than a couple of 
>> miles before we spotted a group from the San Diego Randonneurs travelling 
>> West...Mike chatted about their web site and future rides and Randonneur 
>> bikes, very nice fellows all atop 29ers. We made our way up the canyon and 
>> okay about this time I was in bliss smooth fire road and single track oh 
>> and floating over the rough patches were the remounted Hetres hooray for 
>> balloon tires.
>>
>> Continuing on we paused at the Penasquitos water falls and ook in views 
>> of the surprising amount of water, but we had a meet up with our fellow Riv 
>> rider Tom Virgil so we picked up the pace and giddily glided to the Eastern 
>> edge of the Preserve at Black Mountain Rd. From here we climbed North up to 
>> Carmel Valley Rd  turned left West toward Camino Del Sur and Tom, who had 
>> camera phone in hand.and his luxurious Sam Hillborne with flipped Albatross 
>> bars (unfortunately I didn't get any pictures of Tom's Sam, on the next 
>> one) which has me thinking now. We had a brief chat and Tom took us into 
>> new territory! 
>>
>> At a fair clip riding West down Carmel Valley Rd we turned right on to 
>> Lopelia Meadow Pl past new model homes and a Danger no pedestrians sign 
>> with orange barrier fencing 
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalpusher61/10785042006/in/set-72157637527430185
>>  (hey 
>> it didn't say no bicyclists) before us was a surreal graded plain with 
>> farming discards, tomato stakes, graffiti-ed trailer and massive sewer 
>> section also adorned with graffiti. We pressed on for our second canyon 
>> "Gonzales Canyon" which we dropped into and the rest of the world melted 
>> away...more smooth single track with undulating sections as the trail traced 
>> a line from canyon floor to it's sloping sides. We paused often both to 
>> take in the solitude and route suggestions from Tom...at a point he 
>> mentioned a 45% climb and I must say I was skeptical...wrong we all fsound 
>> our LCG as we topped out of the Canyon at it's South Western terminus at 
>> Torrey Pines Public Park on the back side of Torrey Pine High School. 
>>
>> We lost Tom to family obligations and we all thanked him for showing us 
>> a new playground as this

[RBW] Re: Flash San Diego Riv Ride Report

[Tom Virgil]

Just to keep things in good spirits, it is the image of the stiletto 
heeled, um, shoes.  It's not the first time I have seen something like this 
in the "hood".  I don't know what it is that attracts them here.

That being said, thanks for diverting the ride to play in my "back yard". 
 I am very fond of those areas for biking and walking my dog, Louie. 
 Pardee Construction will continue to encroach on the "graded plain" area 
with their new development and push out the Alejandro's, but the Gonzales 
itself is part of the Black Mountain Preserve and is reasonably protected. 
 Remember the "Sword Way"  sign"?  That goes for about a 1/2 mile trip up 
the canyon to a trail head that is about one mile from my driveway.  You 
guys are welcome to come and explore further from my home.

~Tom


On Monday, November 11, 2013 7:33:31 PM UTC-8, Tom Virgil wrote:
>
> OK, that's not the link I was thinking of and my comments in passing.  In 
> the interest of keeping this a Rivendell bicycle forum, I'll let go of it, 
> but I am still laughing about it.  The nerve of some people.
>
> On Monday, November 11, 2013 7:19:57 PM UTC-8, Tom Virgil wrote:
>>
>> Although I caught but a part of it, I am still enjoying the memory of 
>> this ride.  This is the second time I have been out on a Hugh inspired and 
>> organized ride.  Hugh has a talent for choosing time, location, and routes, 
>> and I really appreciate him setting this up.  Curtis and Mike are tops as 
>> fellow riders; it was my second time one with them as well.
>>
>> The best exclamation of the ride (from Hugh): "There will be more!".
>>
>> I am still LOL at 
>> this<http://www.flickr.com//photos/pedalpusher61/sets/72157637527430185/show/>.
>>  
>>  You guys probably think I am cynical, but I'll stop here and go no further.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> On Sunday, November 10, 2013 7:01:43 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>>
>>> It happened again another awesome SoCal Riv ride...Met Curtis and Mike 
>>> in Del Mar after I dropped off the Atlantis Frame and Fork with Mr. Allen 
>>> Wanta in Carlsbad for additional braze on's and a fresh coat of paint, had 
>>> to tear my self away as talking bike stuff can make me lose track of time 
>>> and space, oh right I did lose some time! Was about half and hour late to 
>>> the meet up fortunately I have one of those modern devices and gave Curtis 
>>> a heads up.
>>>
>>> We left the Del Martians behind and traveled South toward Torrey Pines 
>>> State Beach and made a turn East along Carmel Valley Rd skirting the Torrey 
>>> Pines Preserve lagoon fed by Penaquitos Creek. Just before Interstate 5 we 
>>> make a right onto Old Sorrento Valley Rd which transitions into Sorrento 
>>> Valley Rd, we made a pit stop at Cycle Quest tucked into a strip mall in 
>>> the shadow of Interstate 5 need to go back and really check the place out, 
>>> you can see the mixed terrain vibe is growing as this shop had Surly and 
>>> Salsa among other brands. I think we were all anxious to be free of 
>>> automotive traffic so we rolled over the rail road tracks up Sorrento 
>>> Valley Blvd and crossed into the Western edge of Penasquitos Canyon making 
>>> our way over a dry water course and had ridden no more than a couple of 
>>> miles before we spotted a group from the San Diego Randonneurs travelling 
>>> West...Mike chatted about their web site and future rides and Randonneur 
>>> bikes, very nice fellows all atop 29ers. We made our way up the canyon and 
>>> okay about this time I was in bliss smooth fire road and single track oh 
>>> and floating over the rough patches were the remounted Hetres hooray for 
>>> balloon tires.
>>>
>>> Continuing on we paused at the Penasquitos water falls and ook in views 
>>> of the surprising amount of water, but we had a meet up with our fellow Riv 
>>> rider Tom Virgil so we picked up the pace and giddily glided to the Eastern 
>>> edge of the Preserve at Black Mountain Rd. From here we climbed North up to 
>>> Carmel Valley Rd  turned left West toward Camino Del Sur and Tom, who had 
>>> camera phone in hand.and his luxurious Sam Hillborne with flipped Albatross 
>>> bars (unfortunately I didn't get any pictures of Tom's Sam, on the next 
>>> one) which has me thinking now. We had a brief chat and Tom took us into 
>>> new territory! 
>>>
>>> At a fair clip riding West down Carmel Valley Rd we turned right on to 
>&

Re: [RBW] Re: Flash San Diego Riv Ride Report

[Tom Virgil]

Tent space?  Bedroom space?  No problem. Our kids are adults now and we 
have the big house. I joke to my friends that I have attempted to 
childproof the house, but they keep back getting in.  Most of the time they 
are on their own.  Want to try a teardrop trailer?  We can roll it out on 
the driveway and level it.   It has all of the amenities (built in kitchen, 
and other cool stuff) and sure beats the doghouse when Jahan is furious 
with me for one of my transgressions.  As the years go by, that happens a 
lot less.
~Tom

On Monday, November 11, 2013 8:19:04 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Thanks Tom, is that a offer for tent space?? Just kidding. I so will be 
> back down for more exploring. You can count on that.
>
> I presume the Stiletto heels and other paraphernalia were for a photo 
> shoot as we saw a changing tent, and photography gear...I imagine as it's 
> so close to a parking lot and has a beautiful natural setting and  the west 
> setting sun to help get just the right light it must be popular. It was 
> surreal though to pop out of the canyon and see all this stuff strewn 
> asunder as if it was a crime scene. And yes it makes me laugh. Thanks for 
> reminding me.
>
>
> Best,
>
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Tom Virgil 
> > wrote:
>
>> Just to keep things in good spirits, it is the image of the stiletto 
>> heeled, um, shoes.  It's not the first time I have seen something like this 
>> in the "hood".  I don't know what it is that attracts them here.
>>
>> That being said, thanks for diverting the ride to play in my "back yard". 
>>  I am very fond of those areas for biking and walking my dog, Louie. 
>>  Pardee Construction will continue to encroach on the "graded plain" area 
>> with their new development and push out the Alejandro's, but the Gonzales 
>> itself is part of the Black Mountain Preserve and is reasonably protected. 
>>  Remember the "Sword Way"  sign"?  That goes for about a 1/2 mile trip up 
>> the canyon to a trail head that is about one mile from my driveway.  You 
>> guys are welcome to come and explore further from my home.
>>
>> ~Tom
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 11, 2013 7:33:31 PM UTC-8, Tom Virgil wrote:
>>>
>>> OK, that's not the link I was thinking of and my comments in passing. 
>>>  In the interest of keeping this a Rivendell bicycle forum, I'll let go of 
>>> it, but I am still laughing about it.  The nerve of some people.
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 11, 2013 7:19:57 PM UTC-8, Tom Virgil wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Although I caught but a part of it, I am still enjoying the memory of 
>>>> this ride.  This is the second time I have been out on a Hugh inspired and 
>>>> organized ride.  Hugh has a talent for choosing time, location, and 
>>>> routes, 
>>>> and I really appreciate him setting this up.  Curtis and Mike are tops as 
>>>> fellow riders; it was my second time one with them as well.
>>>>
>>>> The best exclamation of the ride (from Hugh): "There will be more!".
>>>>
>>>> I am still LOL at 
>>>> this<http://www.flickr.com//photos/pedalpusher61/sets/72157637527430185/show/>.
>>>>  
>>>>  You guys probably think I am cynical, but I'll stop here and go no 
>>>> further.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, November 10, 2013 7:01:43 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It happened again another awesome SoCal Riv ride...Met Curtis and Mike 
>>>>> in Del Mar after I dropped off the Atlantis Frame and Fork with Mr. Allen 
>>>>> Wanta in Carlsbad for additional braze on's and a fresh coat of paint, 
>>>>> had 
>>>>> to tear my self away as talking bike stuff can make me lose track of time 
>>>>> and space, oh right I did lose some time! Was about half and hour late to 
>>>>> the meet up fortunately I have one of those modern devices and gave 
>>>>> Curtis 
>>>>> a heads up.
>>>>>
>>>>> We left the Del Martians behind and traveled South toward Torrey Pines 
>>>>> State Beach and made a turn East along Carmel Valley Rd skirting the 
>>>>> Torrey 
>>>>> Pines Preserve lagoon fed by Penaquitos Creek. Just before Interstate 5 
>>>>> we 
>>>>> make a right onto Old Sorrento Valley Rd which transitions into Sorrento 
&g

[RBW] Re: Invisible Bike Helmet.

[Tom Virgil]

>From the end of the video I take it this is some kind of air bag that is 
deployed.

I have no preconceived notion or opinion, but it would be interesting to 
know how an organization like Snell has evaluated it.

Interesting.

Tom


On Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:44:05 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Well now...
> http://jalopnik.com/swedes-develop-invisible-bike-helmet-1460189477
>
> ~Hugh
>

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[RBW] Re: Waitin' on my Riv--debating on Drops versus Albatross

[Tom Virgil]

I am also Tom and I own a Sam.  My Sam has inverted Albas.  See 
here.  
It is my personal preference.  They work well for me using Sam as an "All 
Rounder" country bike.  Sam gets ridden on the road at a good clip, on dirt 
trails without issues, and even gets dragged up the Torrey Pines loop with 
Hugh, Mike, and Curtis.

I also ride drops on a carbon fiber, WTB drops on a Salsa mountain bike, 
and straight bars on a full suspension mountain bike.  I try to set up each 
bike for its purpose and in a manner that benefits me most in using it. 
 All of these configurations were derived over some time with change-outs 
to see what would work

I would choose the Albas again, in either standard or inverted 
configuration for Sam.  I would probably choose them for an AHH or 
Atlantis; I would have to test them to be sure.  Oddly enough, I never 
would have dreamed that I could be comfortable over long distance on 
shellac cloth bound bars, but I am.  My neutral position is usually with 
hands on the bars, just ahead of the brake levers.  I don't seem to miss 
cork, gels, and gushy stuff, but I do wear padded gloves.  If I need a more 
"aero" position, I move forward into the hooks.  More upright is the cork 
grips behind the brakes.

Hope that helps.

~Tom

Albas set you apart 
On Sunday, November 17, 2013 6:26:21 PM UTC-8, Tom Mainelli wrote:
>
> I've been lurking for some time, so I thought I'd introduce myself as I 
> enter the home stretch of a long wait for my Sam. My name is Tom, I cover 
> tech for a living, and I live near Rivendell's now two stores (!). I have 
> been in to chat with Grant, Will, Jared, Vince and others on several 
> occasions (and Rich built me some swt wheels for my current ride). I 
> even got to borrow a Sam for two days (which has got to seal the deal with 
> 99.9% of buyers).
>
> So the question I've been pondering--as so many Riv converts probably 
> do--is do I start with drop bars or should I cut to the chase and get the 
> Albatross (the clear fave of most staffers)? I'm also still debating which 
> tires since I expect to spend 98% of my time on the road.
>
> What say you, RBW Owners Bunch?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Cable Management (or) More Twine

[Tom Virgil]

On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 8:40:08 AM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> And if you really want to get carried away with the whole twiny thing:
>
> gilligan.jpeg
>  
>

Forget Gilligan.  I have had these, um,  "thoughts" about Mary Ann Summers 
ever since I first saw the series.  Ginger, not so much.

>
> --Eric Norris
> Email: campyo...@me.com 
> Web: www.campyonly.com
> Blog: http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
> Flickr: www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy 
>
> On Nov 19, 2013, at 7:49 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J <
> thomas.a...@skadden.com > wrote:
>
> Apart from the time involved (which I think might not end up being too 
> bad), is there any reason not to twine the length of the wire run?  I 
> twined the taillight cable on the lng rear rack strut run on my Mystery 
> Bike and it looked pretty good, but I didn’t consider twining the rest of 
> the cable run, at least on the front rack struts and (maybe) the fork – 
> might look nice.  I shellacked the twine on the rear rack strut, and it 
> looked good.
>  
> Lovely Bike has a nice blog entry on the many things you can twine on a 
> bike, here: 
> http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2009/08/adventures-with-twine.html
>  
> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  [
> mailto:rbw-...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Christopher 
> Chen
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 19, 2013 10:14 AM
> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Cable Management (or) More Twine
>  
>
> It's the big front rack. I'll actually redo it by waxing the twine next 
> time, to help the knots hold.
> On Nov 19, 2013 4:47 AM, "Tony DeFilippo" > 
> wrote:
> Looks good, it'll be nice to have the light centered too.  Twine'd and 
> shellac'd? What rack is that with the front tab?
>
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[RBW] Re: Out my back door.

[Tom Virgil]

Wonderfully composed and an enjoyable read.  Got me thinking about my own 
fortune in having a riding resource outside my back door (Although Gozales, 
McGonnigle, and Black Mountain have nowhere near the extent of Big Tijunga).

That in turn led to reading about Sunland-Tijunga history, the Tongva 
people, and a particular one named Juana Maria.  Never underestimate the 
power of your words.

Best regards,

Tom

On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 10:02:24 AM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
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> Some thoughts and pictures here 
>
> ~Hugh
>

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[RBW] Re: Way too good to keep to myself.

[Tom Virgil]

Could we be talking "Tejas" and the Buena Suerte Cinnabar Mercury Mine 
Ghost 
Town?
  
One way or the other, it appears Jared knows how to run an adventure.  I 
like the "starry night" shots and bonfires.  I am honored to have had his 
support for my Sam Hillborne purchase.

Thanks for outing him as an adventurer.

Tom

On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 7:51:20 PM UTC-8, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> Hate too call him out but just can't keep it to myself.
> Mr.Jared de Rivendell. Is the man!
> You talk about adventures. Every time I get to talk to him he's always 
> coming back from some amazing adventure.
>
> He's posting photos and his last couple of trips look amazing and 
> romantic. 
>
> Like a Rivendell Bike Cowboy. 
>
> Seriously his shots are amazing. 
>
> http://flic.kr/p/jTVi8L
>
> Bookmark and look and be inspired to ride. 
> Just don't envy. Get out there and make your own adventures. Then take 
> amazing pictures.
>
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[RBW] Re: Pics from inside Waterford

[Tom Virgil]

I must have got in just under the wire.  My Boulder All 
Road was 
crafted at Waterford.  I do not know if the pin stripe was was done at 
Waterford or with one of Mike Kone's Boulder resources.  I can say I like 
it (the frame and the paint) very much.  Appreciate Tony's sharing his 
experience there.

Best Regards,

Tom

On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 8:30:36 PM UTC-8, RonaTD wrote:
>
> On Monday, February 17, 2014 10:27:22 PM UTC-6, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
>> Richard and Johanna at Waterford very kindly indulged my curiosity for 
>> their amazing workshop in Waterford.  
>>
>
> I was there on Friday afternoon, dropping off my almost 30 year old 
> Santana tandem frame for them to do a new paint job on it. It had been a 
> long time since I'd been there. A lot has changed in that time but, 
> ironically, it's a lot more like it was when we were building Herons than 
> in the intervening 15 years. It's really nice for them that they've been 
> able to go back to focusing on beautiful lugged steel road frames. And, 
> yes, they do their own painting. Unfortunately, though, the guy who did the 
> beautiful box striping on the Boulder Bicycle frames has retired. No box 
> striping for my Santana - rats!
>
> Ted Durant
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[RBW] Re: Way too good to keep to myself.

[Tom Virgil]

The ever clueless Tom asks "What is 'DV'"?  Death Valley?

Thanks,

Tom

On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:31:18 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> My guess is DV. Looks good.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 7:51:20 PM UTC-8, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>>
>> Hate too call him out but just can't keep it to myself.
>> Mr.Jared de Rivendell. Is the man!
>> You talk about adventures. Every time I get to talk to him he's always 
>> coming back from some amazing adventure.
>>
>> He's posting photos and his last couple of trips look amazing and 
>> romantic. 
>>
>> Like a Rivendell Bike Cowboy. 
>>
>> Seriously his shots are amazing. 
>>
>> http://flic.kr/p/jTVi8L
>>
>> Bookmark and look and be inspired to ride. 
>> Just don't envy. Get out there and make your own adventures. Then take 
>> amazing pictures.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Way too good to keep to myself.

[Tom Virgil]

Dear Hugh,

In his time, Colin Fletcher made an impression on me with his "1000 Mile 
Summer" that has stayed with me from my teens to my present age.  The 
Panamints are featured as are many things.  The book inspired a wilderness 
ethic that is a part of my life (along with "Complete Walker" and his other 
works).  Off topic for Rivsters, but I am sentimental about it.

Take care, good friend,

Tom



On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:58:12 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Yep, or one of the lesser valleys in DVNP perhaps Panamint or Eureka.
>
> -Hugh
> On Feb 18, 2014 9:55 PM, "Tom Virgil" > 
> wrote:
>
>> The ever clueless Tom asks "What is 'DV'"?  Death Valley?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:31:18 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>>
>>> My guess is DV. Looks good.
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 7:51:20 PM UTC-8, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hate too call him out but just can't keep it to myself.
>>>> Mr.Jared de Rivendell. Is the man!
>>>> You talk about adventures. Every time I get to talk to him he's always 
>>>> coming back from some amazing adventure.
>>>>
>>>> He's posting photos and his last couple of trips look amazing and 
>>>> romantic. 
>>>>
>>>> Like a Rivendell Bike Cowboy. 
>>>>
>>>> Seriously his shots are amazing. 
>>>>
>>>> http://flic.kr/p/jTVi8L
>>>>
>>>> Bookmark and look and be inspired to ride. 
>>>> Just don't envy. Get out there and make your own adventures. Then take 
>>>> amazing pictures.
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis w/ some fatties!

[Tom Virgil]

Hugh,

Medicine dance is working.

Awesome job.

Tom

On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 11:13:28 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Tony,
>
> Don't be jealous, were in major a drought I can't remember the last time 
> we had rain?? And the high pressure pushing the jet stream North and East 
> has created an inversion layer which  traps nitrogen oxide and carbon 
> particulates close to the ground making breathing a bummer. Yeah it's nice 
> to have Sunny days in the 80's but then there's the too much of a good 
> thing issue. 
>
> I'm about to do a medicine dance to summon the rain Gods.
>
> So bundle up and take a short ride in that blustery weather my friend.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 9:29 PM, Tony DeFilippo 
> > wrote:
>
>> Hugh,
>>
>> I'm with you, I haven't ridden that much since the new tires are on but I 
>> love the look of the bike... rough and ready...  I did take it out in the 
>> snow tonight for my shift at the bike co-op.  Really short ride but on my 
>> way home I strayed into a small park with plenty of snow on grass with tree 
>> roots.  I felt like a little kid, lots of fun!  Not going anywhere, not 
>> logging miles, only spending about 10 min really...
>>
>> The tires did great on the streets which are still a bit of a mess in my 
>> neighborhood, hardpack snow, salt, black ice, and clear pavement all in 
>> random patches.  On the snowy park I was definitely able to loose traction 
>> with some turns but for such small tread they gave me more confidence than 
>> I had anticipated.  Enough that I'm actually contemplating commuting 
>> tomorrow. Going to be mighty cold, I'll make the call in the morning.
>>
>> The DIY studs are intriguing! Might be a fun project though I'm not sure 
>> these tires are a good candidate.  I'm definitely jealous of your 
>> snow-less, moderate to amazing constant weather patterns!
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 12:03 AM, hsmitham 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Tony,
>>>
>>> Don't know why but I think fat tires on an Atlantis just looks right. 
>>> And those Kenda's look great. Here's a 
>>> DIYfor
>>>  studded tires...since it doesn't snow in LA really no reason for 
>>> studs...on the matter of snow and fenders I've seen never experienced the 
>>> jam up and it seems like not running with them in snow sort of makes sense, 
>>> and what Steve P. said about the flat fender I believe is correct  perhaps 
>>> wear something to protect against the wet strip up the back.
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 5:11:56 AM UTC-8, Tony DeFilippo wrote:

 Yet another snow day in the DC area... I think the schools will be in 
 session till July 4th at this rate!  Supposedly we're in for our biggest 
 snowfall since 2011 but I'll believe it when I see it.  I don't have true 
 snow tires, but I did pick up some sweet used 29x2.1 Kenda Small Block 
 Eight tires at the co-op recently and had been hoping to try them out on 
 my 
 Atlantis.  700Cx54mm tires!  I need to measure the actuals on my 23mm Dyad 
 rims but they fit just fine once the fenders came off.  I also finally got 
 around to moutning my front Nitto rack/basket/light setup.  Peter White 
 can 
 rest assured that I've maintained the centerline, above tire location of 
 the light but he'll be upset that I don't have fender coverage for the 
 beastie...  I'll keep an eye on it and possibly add some kind of splash 
 protection.  It's a sweet light, and I can see based on the light pattern 
 why keeping it center and over tire is desireable.  Stand over w/ the 
 monster tires is not improved for me... predictably, but it is fun.  I'm 
 going to take it for a spin this morning before the snow comes in then 
 we'll see about later!  More pix on the blog - 
 http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2014/01/monster-snow-cross-atlantis.html

 Tony


 



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[RBW] Re: Reflection on S24O/Mo

[Tom Virgil]

Loving this thread.  Over on the Atlantis Fatties I made light of the 
medicine dance and (implied) humor of it.  Having now heard the forecast 
(Noah type deluge) and knowing the geography of Sunland/Tijunga, you take 
care, dear friend.

Best regards,

Tom



On Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:15:57 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Hughes almost two month journey in this endeavor and the challenge he’s 
> having fitting in February’s S24O got me thinking on a number of fronts, 
> and I’d love to hear other’s thoughts:
>
> — The intriguing thing to me about going at least once a month is the 
> creativity and wonder and joy of experiencing beauty in all types of 
> weather. Well, for me personally, I get that range already, so I don’t need 
> the imposition of whether I go by bike, ski pulk, or for more than one 
> night. If I accidentally accomplish it, then cool. Grin.
>
> — I have enough challenges that for me the idea of an imposed schedule 
> would be a burden rather than a freedom, though I can easily see how the 
> structure could lead to freedom for others.
>
> That’s as far as I’ve gotten and I’d love to hear your experience and 
> thoughts.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>  
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Re: [RBW] SoCal February S240 poll.

[Tom Virgil]

In view of the Noachian event occurring in SoCal I believe we can declare 
the first weeks of March "virtual February" and avoid dampening the 
prospect of one S24O/month for 2014.

Best regards,

Tom

On Thursday, February 27, 2014 11:59:05 AM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Hey Guy's,
>
> Well I think it's about time to call this adventure off officially. Mother 
> nature has conspired to throw a wrench into our plans...as I type this the 
> sun is shinning and it's just gorgeous but we all know that can change on a 
> dime!
>
> I checked the NOAA site and a Hazardous Weather outlook is still in 
> effect. For those of you not in our southerly clime we are not faint of 
> heart, we are though not as prepared to contend with heavy rain, as when it 
> does rain here it's not a Seattle drizzle it dumps down hard and intense. 
> Then there's the fact that since we've been in a drought the earth is dry 
> and will become a muddy mess rapidly. 
> because our Northern friends have been a bogarting. 
>
> Happy trails to you all.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Mike Schiller 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> the train up to Ventura  on 2/28 is 761
>> train from Moorpark south is 784 leaves Moorpark at 324 pm
>>
>> guess I need to drag out my rain gear.
>>
>> We could add some distance Friday if it's muddy on dirt and go up 33 
>> aways. It's a  nice ride up there.
>>
>> ~mike
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 5:32:11 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>>> Curtis,
>>>
>>> What Mike said is correct we will be stopping in Ojai for food ect.
>>>
>>> Yes there is rain in the forecast but I'm preparing for rain and will 
>>> ride and camp. If it does rain I think it would be wise to skip the Sulfur 
>>> Mountain section as it'll be muddy. So we'd ride up the bike trail to Ojai 
>>> then swing back down to Lake Casitas and camp. There is always the Ojai 
>>> Rancho Inn if things go really side-ways.
>>>
>>> I'm planning on purchasing my Amtrak tickets from Burbank to Ventura and 
>>> then Moorpark to Burbank. Mike what are the train numbers? Especially the 
>>> Moorpark one. I'll buy them on Wednesday or Thursday.
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
>>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
>>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>>
>>> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Mike Schiller 
>>> wrote:
>>>
  I did't get out on the bike today.   

 I'm sure we will be stopping for liquid refreshment and maybe some food 
 too.

 ~mike


 On Sunday, February 23, 2014 4:35:58 PM UTC-8, Curtis wrote:

> Mike,
>
> Were you riding on Manchester today?
>
> Also, do you think the group will be stopping for some supplies in 
> Ojai?  I do no want to run afoul of the collective.
>
> Curtis
>
> On Sunday, February 23, 2014, Mike Schiller  
> wrote:
>
>> we will ride thru Ojai before camping on Friday night.  Plenty of 
>> food and other items available.
>>
>> ~mike
>>
>> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:45:05 AM UTC-8, Curtis wrote:
>>>
>>> 70 percent chance of rain for Friday.
>>>
>>> For planning purposes only.  Will we be going near a food store 
>>> later in the day on Friday?  If so I may buy food at that time. If not 
>>> I 
>>> will bring the needed calories. 
>>>
>>> Thanks 
>>>
>>> Curtis
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 18, 2014, Mike Schiller <
>>> mikey...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Did I miss an email?  A JTree overnight?   March is filling up fast.

 I'll be on the same train(s) with Curtis.  I would guess we will be 
 there before 10am after loading up and the long ride under the freeway 
 to 
 Rob's.  

 ~mike


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[RBW] Re: What does "IRD" and "IGH" mean?

[Tom Virgil]

An IRD Crank  on my 
Boulder All Road.

On Friday, February 28, 2014 9:34:32 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote:
>
> I see these trebles thrown around a lot in Riv-speak and was wondering 
> what they mean.
> Are they brand names? Do they mean "Independent -somethingorothers"?
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[RBW] Re: Baby got new shoes ...

[Tom Virgil]

I pulled the trigger on Gran Bois Hetre Extra Legers.  Comfortable, fast 
rolling, light.  They do hit that 650B 42 mm sweet spot.  Today was the 
maiden voyage, and I was happy.  We will see about puncture resistance and 
wear.

Had they been available, I might have went for the Babyshoe Pass XLs.



Best regards,

Tom


On Sunday, March 2, 2014 6:37:19 AM UTC-8, jeffrey kane wrote:
>
> Cross-post from the 650b group :
>
> I've been nursing a pair of Pari Moto's since mid-summer and the weather 
> has helped extend their life (read: much reduced riding around here since 
> December) … but I've been telling myself to p/u a new set o' tires for the 
> last month or so and had decided I go for those highly acclaimed Hetre EL's 
> for a change. This will be my 4th season riding 650b, much of it on Hetres 
> .. heck, I even commute on them year-round in NYC. So just as I was about 
> to pull the trigger I see the post from Compass and *voila*, enter the 
> Babyshoe Pass XL! 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
> Took 'em for a little solo 45 mile loop over the GWB to parts north 
> yesterday in mid-30's temps on what was left of my November legs. Now, I'm 
> no expert tire reviewer but I know what I've come to like … and these last 
> few years on PM's and Hetres have been some of the most enjoyable of my 
> many years of riding. 
>
> So here's my deep bow of respect to Mr. Heine and his cohorts at Compass … 
> and a great many thanks for making life so damn good for so many of us in 
> their own small way!
>
>
>

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[RBW] You know you are riding in San Francisco when

[Tom Virgil]

"I see a fellow cyclist riding in high heels".

Interesting profiles of some S.F. 
riders.
  
There is even a Homer Hilsen rider with a fish leather cap.

Some ideas for the Bay Area National 
Gathering.

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[RBW] Re: Hillborne sighting, SD, CA

[Tom Virgil]

Probably Bruce.

Sam and I were out on Carmel Mountain Road seeking a way to connect with 
the Duck Pond Ranch and Del Mar Mesa Road (almost but not quite).

I spent a little time on Carmel Valley Road near the end between 56 and Del 
Mar Heights Road.

Time was about 1:30 - 3:00 PM.

Tom

On Saturday, March 8, 2014 1:03:56 PM UTC-8, James Warren wrote:
>
>
> Beautiful blue Hillborne being well ridden heading east on Carmel Valley 
> Road toward 5 underpass. 
>
> I was in my trick battling through traffic to get to my brother's house 
> where my orange Hillborne waits for me to ride it. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone

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[RBW] Re: The mind set of the car centric society

[Tom Virgil]

Some food for thought.  Dutch style 
intersections
.

See http://www.protectedintersection.com/ as well.

On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 6:05:04 PM UTC-7, Curtis wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> The following may make interesting reading.
>
>
> http://www.collectorsweekly.com/articles/murder-machines/
>
> Ride aware,
>
> Curtis
>

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[RBW] Re: Beauty Shots of the Custom are up!

[Tom Virgil]

Congradulatons Liesl,

This bicycle just plain avers competence as a bicycle.  It is unique, 
handsome, and artful.  And every detail reveals thought and intent on the 
part of you, the owner, and its builders.  It is at once beautiful and at 
the same time as purposeful as a honey badger.

I look forward to the effect of the cedar fenders.

May you have and hold this velocipede and ride ride ride though a long and 
hearty, healthy life.

Thank you so much for your sharing the saga of the Chica Warrior 
development and your ultimate reception.  I hope to hear much about you and 
your adventures on it.

~Tom



On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:36:53 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
>
> Hi friends,
>
> If you haven't seen it already, here they are:
>
>
> http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/80720787036/heres-the-story-of-our-latest-custom-bike-for
>
> The bike is a treasure.  So sure and confident and comfy and beautiful.  
> It will go anywhere and everywhere.  For a very long time.
>
> I went out on the Saturday Gentlewoman's ride with the local Rivsters.  I 
> can't really give a full report, though, because I was too sick with an 
> upper respiratory thang to venture out in the hills with the rest of the 
> gang (thank you Cora for sitting in the shade with me).  Any time you 
> borrow a saddlebag to tote Dayquill and a box of Kleenex is just not a good 
> sign.  Anyway, the little riding we did on Saturday lets me know that it is 
> a joy to ride and fits like a broken-in pair of wonderful handmade shoes.  
> I managed to get in the shortest of descents on a grassy Riv-style hill and 
> I was in awe of its stability.  Like a mountain goat.
>
> The paint has to be seen to be believed.  JB added pearl to the paint that 
> you can't see until it's in brilliant sun.  And then it flickers and 
> dazzles with the most subtle blues and yellows and whites...like you just 
> found a treasure on the beach.
>
> Some details:  The Select Flyer wasn't just a test saddle; it's the 
> saddle.  Paul seatpost, thumbies, and brakes; SON hub, White Industries MI5 
> rear hub, brown big bens, phil BB, shimano xt derailer.  Will add cedar 
> fenders and a nitto mini front rack.
>
> And how wonderful to say to my fellow low PBH friends like Manny:  "Take 
> it for a ride!"  (Rich Lee, you're next in line!)
>
> Once it's set up here in Minneapolis, there'll be more photos and ride 
> reports.
>
> Thank you everyone for your knowledge, skill, artistry, support and 
> input.  And especially Grant, Mark, Mark, Rich, JB, and Keven.
>
> grinning from ear-to-ear, Riv Chica Warrior
>

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[RBW] Remember the Turtles?

[Tom Virgil]

Sighted these guys on a SamRide (TM) along the Highway 56 Bikeway.

So happy 
together.

They are apparently Red-Eared Sliders which are not native and most likely 
escapees or rejects from someone's home terrarium turtle habitat.  Or, 
considering the area, a generation or two beyond.

There is something about a SamRide that brings out the observable.  Perhaps 
it is my attitude whilst riding such a bike.

Hugh, Curtis, and Mike can attest to our passage through a photo/film shoot 
of dubious character after clawing our way up a power line service trail to 
Torrey Pines Public Park.   These things only seem to happen on a SamRide.

~Tom

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[RBW] Re: Remember the Turtles?

[Tom Virgil]

The Boulder All Road s running Noodles.  I like them.

After a lot of thought, reflection, and assessing what I feel (pains, 
discomfort, where I ride it), Sam is transitioning to a Noodle bar bike and 
lightening/being graceful.  He is also getting an Eyc and rear tail lamp as 
I am riding him to work and working long hours.

I ride the All Road purposefully.  All Road runs fast with just the stuff I 
need.  Sam glides in a more meandering fashion.  My rides home from work 
take me where they will.  Saw a baby deer tonight on the 56 and just took 
the time to look at him/her for a while.

~Tom



On Monday, March 31, 2014 8:56:14 PM UTC-7, Tom Virgil wrote:
>
> Sighted these guys on a SamRide (TM) along the Highway 56 Bikeway.
>
> So happy 
> together.<https://www.flickr.com/photos/20853610@N05/sets/72157643139659794/>
>
> They are apparently Red-Eared Sliders which are not native and most likely 
> escapees or rejects from someone's home terrarium turtle habitat.  Or, 
> considering the area, a generation or two beyond.
>
> There is something about a SamRide that brings out the observable. 
>  Perhaps it is my attitude whilst riding such a bike.
>
> Hugh, Curtis, and Mike can attest to our passage through a photo/film 
> shoot of dubious character after clawing our way up a power line service 
> trail to Torrey Pines Public Park.   These things only seem to happen on a 
> SamRide.
>
> ~Tom
>

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[RBW] Re: New Edeluxe Light Source - LENR

[Tom Virgil]

Rivendell Sauron.  LMAO.  

My evil mind immediately flashed to a salamander hued contraption with 16 
inch wheels and a low slung frame..   It would be the Rivendell Gollum.

Me precious,

Tom


On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 10:15:47 AM UTC-7, Corwin wrote:
>
> Although I don't have the funds at the moment - I'm tempted to try this as 
> an alternative to my dynamo wheel: 
> http://www.renehersestore.com/servlet/the-1339/ZZ---/Detail
>
> Having read the Gary Taubes book on Cold Fusion, I'm somewhat skeptical 
> about the veracity of claims made about LENR. But I'm willing to suspend my 
> doubt and keep an open mind.
>
> Anybody on the list know much about Lattice Enabled Nuclear Reactions 
> (LENR) and the potential for application as a power source?
>
> This could make lights previously powered by dynamo hubs much more 
> portable. I assume this power source could potentially be connected to 
> other lights as well as the Edeluxe.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Corwin
>

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[RBW] Re: Low trail, lightest tubing bikes really all that?

[Tom Virgil]

I have a Samuel Hillborne and a Boulder All Road.  I am exactly lined up 
with Bill Lindsay.

~Tom

On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 11:08:22 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:
>
> Anyone here own a low-trail/ lightest tubing bike?
> Like the Herses and Singers and the new MAP S&P, Boulder bikes, etc.?
>
> Do you find them really that much better performing (faster, flexier, 
> planier, efficient) than your  "oversized" steel tubing bikes, as I have 
> read about in reviews of them?
>

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[RBW] Smoking might be good for you

[Tom Virgil]

and maybe not 

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[RBW] Re: Grey Blue, Blue Grey Sam Hillborne touch up paint.

[Tom Virgil]

Cyclofiend came up with this  for 
some of the legacy models.  I also have a Sam and prefer having him on the 
pristine side rather than the Beausage.

On Wednesday, April 23, 2014 6:37:11 PM UTC-7, Richard Rios wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I know Riv suggests just touching paint chips up with any old color...but 
> I definitely lean towards the finding a close color match side of things.  
> With that said, anyone have any success finding a close color match for 
> touching up the greyish blue blueish grey Sam Hillborne color.  I poked 
> around a bit and found some info on the orange but nada on the blue grey 
> color.  I have a couple of chips that are just kinda buggig' me like a 
> small rock in the bottom of your shoe kinda deal.  Any help is appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Richard
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[RBW] Re: What do you do on your Birthaday?

[Tom Virgil]

A most happy birthday, Hugh!  Loved the birthday ride story.

Tom

On Thursday, April 24, 2014 11:34:17 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> This is what I decided to do. Here
>  
>
> Have a great day!
>
> ~Hugh
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[RBW] Re: 30daysofbiking

[Tom Virgil]

I am so very moved that you have shared this, Eunice.  It is a work of love 
and the process of healing.

Thank you

Tom

On Thursday, May 1, 2014 6:10:32 PM UTC-7, Eunice Chang wrote:
>
> I thought I'd share my experiences on 30 days of biking last month here:
>
> https://sleepyneko.exposure.co/30-days-of-biking
>
> Warning: it's kind of long and well, teary. But if you read it all the way 
> through you might be rewarded with glimpses of Thumper Buttercup, aka 
> Seth's A.H.H., which I tweaked for, er, emergency purposes. :)
>
> And I meant it when I said thanks for the ride reports. I couldn't imagine 
> riding a bike post-death, and when I could two months later, it was a 
> relief. But your ride reports created an itch so bad I had to absolutely 
> scratch it, fears and grief be darned. My morning coffee rides are really a 
> thing of joy. 
>
> Anyway, thank you again and keep writing those ride reports. I'll keep 
> pedaling along...
>
> Eunice
>

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[RBW] Some ideas on bike theft and retrieval (Here's how to get your stolen bike back in S.F.)

[Tom Virgil]

>From 
>sfgate.
> 
 The article has some reasonable ideas.  The comments are chaotic so please 
don't be discouraged by them.

It made me think.  Do I even know or have I recorded the bicycle frame 
serial number of my Sam?  Nope.  I do not even know if it has one.  I went 
back to my original invoice at the rivbike My Account to see if one was 
recorded there.  It was not. Perhaps that would be a good idea if Riv bikes 
have such a concept.

Failing the above, I will call Jared on Monday to see if Riv bikes have 
serial numbers and where to find them.  More immediately, before tomorrow's 
ride I will check the underside of the bottom bracket (the obvious place) 
and see of one is stamped there.

As is the case with most of you, my Sam arrived partially assembled.  I 
have stuffed business cards and a "reward" card down the seat tube before 
installing the seat post.  I would remove them if I sold Sam (not bloody 
likely unless my heirs prey my cold dead hands off of his new eggplant 
taped noodle bars.)

We hear from time to time of a stolen bike on this list and there is a very 
good response from members as to remedies.  That is greatly appreciated.

The latest here in San Diego is theft from garages.  I live in a gate 
guarded community with security patrols and still the thieves tailgate 
gardeners and maids.  Charming as they might be, windows on your roll up 
garage doors just let the thieves see what can be had.  Hanging your bikes 
from the ceiling and frosting those windows could help.  They are also 
using  garage door band frequency scanners to see what pops open when they 
roll through the neighborhood.  There are newer garage door controllers 
that are resistant to that.

The worst is having some thief jump in front of you on the bikeway and 
announce he is taking your bike from you.   This has been happening on the 
Santa Ana River Trail and the Highway 56 route.  Nothing is worth your 
life, so give it over if you must.  The same attitude you should have 
toward a car jack. My solution to this situation (has happened twice) is 
not suitable for polite discussion on this forum.  I have not lost any 
bikes.  On a more positive note, I would advice much situational awareness 
and using continuous emotional awareness as to what you are riding into.

~Tom


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