Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Jeff Lesperance]

I've done a fair amount of catch and release over the past dozen years or
so (whereas 12+ years ago I was a one bike guy) and have been trying to get
the bike stable down to the fewest bikes possible while also being able to
satisfy all of my biking interests. I'm currently at:

1. Touring/Allroad/Weekender/Rando ride: Sam Hillborne, soon to be replaced
with an All City Space Horse Disc
2. Off-road Touring/Rough stuff: Surly Troll
3. Commuter: Breezer Belway (belt drive, IGH)
4. Cruiser: Rosco Bubbe v2
5. Family: Bike Friday Family Tandem

I could do without the Rosco, that's just an indulgence. The commuter isn't
necessary but belt drive/IGH makes for a nice minimal maintenance bike. I
mostly use the Troll for reasonably worn or groomed trail riding, where
just about any other bike in the stable could work, but I like to be able
to veer off of the well traveled path on occasion. The family tandem
shouldn't count, that's straight family fun with my daughters. I guess I
could get down to 3 bikes, including the tandem.

My stable has been as many as 8 or 9 bikes and that just felt unwieldy - at
that many bikes there's too many bikes that just don't get attention that
someone else may give them. I'm not interested in museum pieces that can
only come out for a slow ride around the driveway on Sundays, so that
attitude informs my catch rate as well.

-Jeff
Silver Spring, MD

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Robert Keal  wrote:

> Awesome responses, folks!
>
> While I firmly believe that my n=2, if I were to add a bike, it would most
> definitely be a tandem. I planned to buy a 26" wheeled mtb Burly Rock and
> Roll off a friend who bought a HHH tandem, but in the end I couldn't
> justify it. Pretty bummed about that, but I'm sure another opportunity to
> own a tandem will present itself down the road. And when we move away from
> my school's campus and back to the city, a cargo bike will be extremely
> tempting...
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore
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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks Saddles (new-in-box Ti Swallow in Brown or Honey, LN carbon C13) and Ice Cream!

[Johnny Alien]

I believe the wider version is only 145mm not 158mm.  Really nice saddle 
but it turned out to be way too narrow for me.

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[John G.]

Like Jeff, I've done a decent amount of catch and release over the past few 
years. Just a few more tweaks and I should have my stable settled. For 
real. No, I'm serious!

Here's what it looks like now:
1. Everything Bike: 61 cm Atlantis: my most recent addition, and by far my 
favorite. If I'm riding alone, there's a really good chance that I'll take 
the Atlantis. I'm setting any records on it, but it's just a wonderful way 
to go out and enjoy an afternoon.
2. Feeling Zippy Bike: 63 cm Mercian Superlight: Before I purchased the 
Atlantis, this was my most used bike. This is the bike that convinced me 
that as a 6'1 guy, I should not be riding size 58 road bikes. It's a faster 
than the Atlantis, and super comfy--the headtube is like 10 feet tall.
3. Problem Child/Organ Donor Bike: Soma Smoothie 58cm: the speed is 
seductive, but it just doesn't fit and isn't good for much aside from 
keeping up with friends on rides. I have some nice parts on it, and would 
love to use them to build up a modern Zippy bike that actually fits.

Stuff that got cut:
1. Surly Cross Check: I actually regret selling this, but I almost made 
back my money on it. 
2. Surly Pacer: Hated this. Really uncomfortable.
3. Hunqapillar: Wonderful bike, but just doesn't suit my style of riding 
(90% pavement).
4. CAAD10: the first decent bike I ever bought. I really wish I had known 
about Rivendell at the time. Then again, I really didn't know what kind of 
a rider I was.


On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 6:53:32 AM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:
>
> I've done a fair amount of catch and release over the past dozen years or 
> so (whereas 12+ years ago I was a one bike guy) and have been trying to get 
> the bike stable down to the fewest bikes possible while also being able to 
> satisfy all of my biking interests. I'm currently at:
>
> 1. Touring/Allroad/Weekender/Rando ride: Sam Hillborne, soon to be 
> replaced with an All City Space Horse Disc
> 2. Off-road Touring/Rough stuff: Surly Troll
> 3. Commuter: Breezer Belway (belt drive, IGH)
> 4. Cruiser: Rosco Bubbe v2
> 5. Family: Bike Friday Family Tandem
>
> I could do without the Rosco, that's just an indulgence. The commuter 
> isn't necessary but belt drive/IGH makes for a nice minimal maintenance 
> bike. I mostly use the Troll for reasonably worn or groomed trail riding, 
> where just about any other bike in the stable could work, but I like to be 
> able to veer off of the well traveled path on occasion. The family tandem 
> shouldn't count, that's straight family fun with my daughters. I guess I 
> could get down to 3 bikes, including the tandem. 
>
> My stable has been as many as 8 or 9 bikes and that just felt unwieldy - 
> at that many bikes there's too many bikes that just don't get attention 
> that someone else may give them. I'm not interested in museum pieces that 
> can only come out for a slow ride around the driveway on Sundays, so that 
> attitude informs my catch rate as well.
>
> -Jeff
> Silver Spring, MD
>
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Robert Keal  > wrote:
>
>> Awesome responses, folks!
>>
>> While I firmly believe that my n=2, if I were to add a bike, it would 
>> most definitely be a tandem. I planned to buy a 26" wheeled mtb Burly Rock 
>> and Roll off a friend who bought a HHH tandem, but in the end I couldn't 
>> justify it. Pretty bummed about that, but I'm sure another opportunity to 
>> own a tandem will present itself down the road. And when we move away from 
>> my school's campus and back to the city, a cargo bike will be extremely 
>> tempting...
>>
>> Bob K. in Baltimore
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[RBW] Re: Bike destinations in Japan and Amsterdam

[ascpgh]

Amsterdam is great. I didn't go with an intentional itinerary, just met the 
flow when we got there after we saw the state of weather, traffic and such. 
Weather, group dynamic and time limitations dictated more than my interest 
in biking, but didn't get in the way of some two wheel fun.








Friend in the pictures and I down at the Amsterdam Central Station and the 
bike parking garage. We rented city bikes there at the spur of the moment 
and ended up riding way out to the northeast in the dairy/cheese areas 
where the Beemster porcelain cows mark the diaries that have made the mark 
as suppliers. The moment overrode judgment and we ended up riding just shy 
of 60 miles on those livery . Finished with a tall Heineken in the outdoor 
garden behind the Van Gogh Museum.

Andy Cheatham
Pittburgh

On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 12:15:59 PM UTC-4, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> My wife has re-caught the travel bug and we have someone to live in our 
> house and take care of the dogs so we're off to both Japan (Tokyo, Kyoto, 
> Kurosawa) and Amsterdam this summer.  These seemed to both be very bikeable 
> places (obviously Amsterdam) so I wanted to solicit any suggestions and 
> experiences you all may have as to how/where I might rent bikes, biking 
> travel suggestions and fun bike sights to check out (and geek out).  Jan's 
> post about C.S.Hirose looked really great although I am hesitant to bother 
> small shop craftspeople when they are working.  I've thought about taking 
> the Brompton but figured there may be easier ways to rent. 
>
> Looking forward to your suggestions.
>
> John
>

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[RBW] Re: Et Tu Brooks?

[Ron Mc]

I never don't get a comment about my Brooks saddles.  
I used to ride those, they're really heavy.  But they were really 
comfortable.  
A friend put a C15 on his ultralight fixie, and he loves it.  
So Brooks is fishing in a new pond for them.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Jim Bronson]

Wow AJ, extremely impressive collection.  I'd be hard pressed to let
any of those go.

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 5:54 PM, AJ  wrote:
> I'm preparing to move to another home, giving me the opportunity to pare
> down a few things.  This thread arrived at an interesting time.  Today I sat
> down to try and figure out my N. Interesting exercise; looks like N=7.
>
> I will be parting with close 'friends'.
>
> Keeping
> Riv All Rounder - as name suggests
> Riv Bombadil - Touring
> Riv Rambouillet - Relaxed Road
> Surly Big Dummy - Grocery Getting
> Richard Sachs - Road
>
> Moots psychlo x - Cross
> La Suprema Custom - All Rounder
>
> Leaving the stable
> IF Touring - Touring
> Bike Friday Rocket - Travel
> Kirk Terraplane - Road
> Eddy Merckx Corsa - Road
> Rawlands Sogn - All Rounder, Mountain
> Lemond Poprad - Bum around
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[RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe Mixte

[Les Lammers]

Looks great. I'm using the same tires with Panaracer Kevlar liners on a 
Cheviot.
 
On Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 7:40:36 PM UTC-4, Steve Butcher wrote:

> The* tires are Panaracer T-serve Messenger 650b x 42c.*  The fenders are 
> SKS Longboard 50's.  
>
> On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 5:53:18 PM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> Hello friends.  I wanted to share a couple of photos of my Rosco Bubbe 
>> mixte and early impressions.   This is my first Rivendell and only the 
>> second one I've ridden; the first being a Clem-L at A-1 Cycle in 
>> Indianapolis.  I had this bike built as my (new) daily commuter.  I truly 
>> enjoy the plush, and yet lively ride it provides.  Doc.  
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Belopsky]

I have a hard time counting bikes that are "free" and "cheap" and yet I 
have to count them and they take up room and I don't just want to toss them 
but maybe I will donate...
like this weird thing I built up earlier this week but since stole parts 
off for my commuter
https://www.flickr.com/photos/14767344@N07/33489398410/in/dateposted-public/

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[RBW] Re: Et Tu Brooks?

[Johnny Alien]

I actually like having a light version of a great Brooks saddle but these 
are too narrow for my taste.  I ride Brooks for the ride quality and take a 
hit on the weight because of that.  I believe most people here use smart 
parts that they like and deal with the weight disadvantage. If they made a 
carbon version of the C15 or C17 I would easily choose them over the 
standard version.  Why not have the comfortable saddle WITH a reduced 
weight. I would love to have an incredibly useful bike that could be 
brought down a pound or two.  And I understand the "lose 2 pounds off of 
the engine" argument and agree with it BUT if it's the same saddle quality 
wise and comfort I would pick the lighter one.  I assume the counter 
argument will be that the carbon rails are destined to fail but I myself 
wouldn't think it would be an issue.

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[RBW] Re: Et Tu Brooks?

[Minh]

i dunno, i'm hoping that they are successful expanding their base so that 
they can keep the more traditional saddles in the lineup.  they are 
definately transitioning to a lifestyle brand, but i'm fine with that as 
long as they keep making the leather saddles. 



On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 12:32:20 AM UTC-4, Surlyprof wrote:
>
>
> http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=779d0fc02cc4843db052687bf&id=8b2828ef71&e=75b8d3e6e7
>
> I have problems picturing RBW carrying these Brooks saddles.
>
> John
>
>

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Wally Estrella]

>
> I had an older (2005 or 6, I think) Karate Monkey as my "one bike to rule 
>> them all".  It did many things well.  Others things OK.  A couple of things 
>> not so well.  After a few years of that I felt a need to get bikes more 
>> specific to certain tasks.  That started my N+1.  
>
> The current unstable stable includes: 
1986 Trek 500@road bike.
Atlantis@all rounder.
Quickbeam@main ride.
Masi Soulville 3 speed@weather beater.
Surly Wednesday@MTB, winter commuter.
1908 Iver Johnson Truss Flyer@tweed rider.





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[RBW] Re: Et Tu Brooks?

[Jeremy Till]

I was noting in the link that they seem to be making multiple widths of the 
carbon-railed saddle, including a 145mm and a 158mm, so you may be in luck. 
 

Personally, carbon saddles are not for me, but it is cool to see brooks 
bringing the idea of a suspended saddle to different markets.

On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 6:32:18 AM UTC-7, Johnny Alien wrote:
>
> I actually like having a light version of a great Brooks saddle but these 
> are too narrow for my taste.  I ride Brooks for the ride quality and take a 
> hit on the weight because of that.  I believe most people here use smart 
> parts that they like and deal with the weight disadvantage. If they made a 
> carbon version of the C15 or C17 I would easily choose them over the 
> standard version.  Why not have the comfortable saddle WITH a reduced 
> weight. I would love to have an incredibly useful bike that could be 
> brought down a pound or two.  And I understand the "lose 2 pounds off of 
> the engine" argument and agree with it BUT if it's the same saddle quality 
> wise and comfort I would pick the lighter one.  I assume the counter 
> argument will be that the carbon rails are destined to fail but I myself 
> wouldn't think it would be an issue.
>

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[RBW] Re: Bike destinations in Japan and Amsterdam

[Takashi]

Hi John

I am pretty sure that there are rental cycle services in large cities like 
Tokyo and Kyoto, but I have no experience with them.
One shop I know of is Ehicle near Shinjuku, Tokyo.
They have Bike Friday's Pocket Companion for rent.
http://blog.livedoor.jp/ehicle/archives/50451863.html

If you prefer to ride in rural areas, you can rent bikes at Shimanami 
(http://www.go-shimanami.jp/global/english/bicycle/) or Hida 
(http://satoyama-experience.com/activity/cycling/tour/standard/), to give 
two examples.
They are both far from Tokyo and Kyoto, though.

In any case, you must be careful to avoid heat stroke, since it will be 
(relatively) hot and (very) humid in summer.

Takashi

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Belopsky]

Quickbeam's the beer getter? :)

On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 9:57:31 AM UTC-4, Wally Estrella wrote:
>
> I had an older (2005 or 6, I think) Karate Monkey as my "one bike to rule 
>>> them all".  It did many things well.  Others things OK.  A couple of things 
>>> not so well.  After a few years of that I felt a need to get bikes more 
>>> specific to certain tasks.  That started my N+1.  
>>
>> The current unstable stable includes: 
> 1986 Trek 500@road bike.
> Atlantis@all rounder.
> Quickbeam@main ride.
> Masi Soulville 3 speed@weather beater.
> Surly Wednesday@MTB, winter commuter.
> 1908 Iver Johnson Truss Flyer@tweed rider.
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Et Tu Brooks?

[Johnny Alien]

I dont think it looks like there is a 158 width. Is there one?

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[RBW] Re: Et Tu Brooks?

[Surlyprof]

I was just surprised that a company like Brooks would build a carbon-framed 
saddle.  I guess you have to diversify to meet the demands of the market.  That 
said, the saddle is not an area of the bike where I'd want to risk a carbon 
failure.  I wonder if these are carbon over a light wire frame, like carbon 
wrapped aluminum seatposts, or if these are all carbon.

John

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Orc]

Basically all of mine are free/cheap (not counting the Rosco, which I'm 
/probably/ not going to butcher 'cuz it's a Riv frame.  It's being used as 
a jig for a Rosco rack right now, and if I never sell it will spend its 
days being a very nice jig for Rosco mixte & Appaloosa racks)   I tend to 
shove the expensive frames back out the door whenever I've got cash flow 
problems (which is basically always; rack+bag+framebuilding is not nearly 
the steady income stream that computer programming used to be) but who's 
going to buy a handmade 490x590 frame with a short HT?

-david "Well, I would, but it's more fun to build the frame than to buy it" 
parsons

On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 6:07:04 AM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
>
> I have a hard time counting bikes that are "free" and "cheap" and yet I 
> have to count them and they take up room and I don't just want to toss them 
> but maybe I will donate...
> like this weird thing I built up earlier this week but since stole parts 
> off for my commuter
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/14767344@N07/33489398410/in/dateposted-public/
>

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Re: [RBW] WTB Nitto R14 Rack with Tombstone

[John H.]

I just came across this on ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nitto-R14-Rack-rear-bag-supporter-from-Rivendell-for-mtb-or-road-bike-/162458513020?hash=item25d3482e7c:g:ti0AAOSwDmBY5B9x

On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 10:28:40 AM UTC-4, Nick Ybarra wrote:
>
> Yeah, I'm kind of suspecting that Soma is the same and just using an old 
> picture for the product.  
>
> At the moment, I'm using a Nitto Big Bag Rack for saddlebag support, which 
> is a little overkill.  I don't really mind that at all, but I'm going to be 
> shipping the bike for a trip soon, and I think it would be easier to pack 
> with an R-14 that can fold down compactly.  
>
> On Sunday, April 2, 2017 at 9:39:46 PM UTC-5, Bob K. wrote:
>>
>> Bikemania site says this on the product page:
>>
>> This product does not come with the vertical loop "backstop".
>>
>> Good luck in your search! I had an R14 for years and it was a good rack. 
>> Probably shouldn't have traded it away!
>>
>> Bob K. in Baltimore
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Rivet Pearl or C17 Carved

[Surlyprof]

I've seen a few Bertoud saddles in person and they are quite beautiful and well 
crafted.  Loved the shape, details and finish on those.  Unfortunately, I was 
already stretching my budget with a Rivet.  Not unhappy about that.  I've been 
so impressed with Rivet's quality and materials.  I was also impressed with 
their packaging, wrench and saddle cover that all came in the package.  Very 
positive experience.

John

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[RBW] Re: TRP RRL and 7 speed compatability

[Bill Lindsay]

TRP RRL brake levers pull an appropriate amount of cable for road bike 
calipers. Typical V-brake calipers require a lot more cable pull. In the 
coarsest terms with no specifics short pull levers with long pull requiring 
brakes will work but the two frequent complaints are

1. Extremely squishy braking. It's super easy to pull the levers all the way to 
the handlebar
2. You have to run the brake pads extremely close to the rims

If the v brakes in question are not actually typical v-brakes but instead are 
mini v brakes like Paul Mini Motos or similar, then those two complaints are 
significantly mitigated.  If the brake posts are positioned in a way that 
allows you to run your brake pads all the way up at the top, the math of 
mechanical advantage also improves. 

So, as usual, it depends

BL in EC

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Re: [RBW] Rivet Pearl or C17 Carved

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Congrats on the Rivet!  I've not ridden one but have seen them in person.  
They seem to slope down on the edges of the back of the saddle which is my 
problem with the Cambium design.  I have many, many Brooks saddles but also 
have the Berthoud Mente which is 180mm wide and flat.  I find this works 
very well for me.  The quality is also top rate on the Berthoud.

On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 11:32:01 AM UTC-4, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> I've seen a few Bertoud saddles in person and they are quite beautiful and 
> well crafted.  Loved the shape, details and finish on those. 
>  Unfortunately, I was already stretching my budget with a Rivet.  Not 
> unhappy about that.  I've been so impressed with Rivet's quality and 
> materials.  I was also impressed with their packaging, wrench and saddle 
> cover that all came in the package.  Very positive experience.
>
> John
>

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[RBW] Re: Et Tu Brooks?

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Saddles are something that I use what works best for me and the associated 
weight is just something I live with.  Having a comfy butt is so worth a 
few more grams of weight in my book.

On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 12:32:20 AM UTC-4, Surlyprof wrote:
>
>
> http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=779d0fc02cc4843db052687bf&id=8b2828ef71&e=75b8d3e6e7
>
> I have problems picturing RBW carrying these Brooks saddles.
>
> John
>
>

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[RBW] Et Tu Brooks?

[Justin, Oakland]

RBW probably won't carry these. And that's fine. 

-Justin

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[RBW] Re: Swift Industries luggage?

[johnb]

Mike,

I have the hinterland Ozette and love it. My wife has the new Sugarloaf and 
loves it. Both are built to last, very light, great looking and super 
useful. I may pull the trigger on a Sugarloaf for myself for commuting. I 
cannot recommend them enough.

john

On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 9:56:34 PM UTC-4, Leaf Slayer wrote:
>
> Hey, anyone here using Swift luggage. I almost pulled the trigger last 
> year and the itch has returned this year in anticipation of some summer 
> bike camping. I'm considering the Jr Ranger panniers. But the Sugarloaf 
> looks pretty sweet too. A little more exciting than my practical and 
> dependable Ortliebs. I like the features on the Rangers and the attachment 
> method seems better for rough roads.
>
> --mike
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Re: [RBW] N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Christopher Cote]

What's the story on the Richard Sachs? Do you have any pictures to share?

Chris


On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 3:12:24 PM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>
> No longer any Rivendell's that I personally own, but my wife has a Cheviot.
>
> I have/will have:
> 1. 2016 Bob Jackson Audax End-End. My go-fast bike.
> 2. 2017 Bob Jackson Vigorelli. Single speed go-fast road (frame en route).
> 3. 1976 Richard Sachs Road bike. Go-fast vintage mostly-Campy bike.
> 4. 2009 Grand Bois Randonneur. Comfortable, 650B. Probably most versatile? 
> 650B is nice for the roads here..
> 5. An older Trek mountain bike that I stripped and is going to be a 
> parts-bin-bike. Not sure what I'll use it for, perhaps single speed trail..
> 6. Bikes Direct (yep!) Windsor Oxford that I am building up for my city 
> commuter/beater. Cheap Clem Smith Jr perhaps? LOL
>

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Re: [RBW] creaking berthoud fenders

[Jim S.]

Steve and Eric, thanks for your responses. I think I solved the problem 
with a very scientific approach. I took the wheel off and put it back on. 
It doesn't creak anymore. I'd guess it had to do with compression on the 
fork blades. For a while there, I was wishing I had the SKS's, but all's 
well that ends well.

On Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 9:14:05 AM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Tightening the quick release (or allen fastener in your case) will usually 
> move the fork blades ever so slightly toward each other. Maybe that's 
> enough to cause the fender to touch inside surfaces and start creaking?
>
> I would try gently compressing the fender where it passes through the fork 
> to provide a bit more clearance. It shouldn't take much.
>
> --Eric N
> www.CampyOnly.com
> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>
> On Apr 5, 2017, at 6:55 AM, Jim S. > wrote:
>
> I have the leather washers, thank you for offering.
>
> It's weird. With the front wheel installed, if I manipulate the fender, it 
> definitely creaks.
>
> But I put the bike in the stand, and removed the front wheel. No more 
> creek.
>
> Could compressing the fork by the skewer somehow make the fender creek? If 
> it matters, it's a dynamo hub so the skewer is tightened via allen bolt, 
> not clamp.
>
> On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 8:55:49 PM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
>>
>> Did you use leather washers between the fenders and the frame? I have a 
>> bag full if you need a few. 
>>
>> –Eric N
>>
>>
>> On Apr 4, 2017, at 6:34 PM, Jim S.  wrote:
>>
>> Hi all, 
>>
>> I was hoping for some ideas on stopping my front fender from creaking. It 
>> happens most noticeably when I pedal out of the saddle. (Yes, I know the 
>> obvious answer - stay in the saddle.) I'm not sure what to change. Makes me 
>> wish I'd have left the SKS fenders on it. Thanks in advance for any ideas.
>>
>> Jim S.
>>
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Re: [RBW] creaking berthoud fenders

[Eric Norris]

So, kind of the “Did you turn it off and on again?” approach. I like it.

--Eric Norris
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> On Apr 6, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Jim S.  wrote:
> 
> Steve and Eric, thanks for your responses. I think I solved the problem with 
> a very scientific approach. I took the wheel off and put it back on. It 
> doesn't creak anymore. I'd guess it had to do with compression on the fork 
> blades. For a while there, I was wishing I had the SKS's, but all's well that 
> ends well.
> 
> On Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 9:14:05 AM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
> Tightening the quick release (or allen fastener in your case) will usually 
> move the fork blades ever so slightly toward each other. Maybe that's enough 
> to cause the fender to touch inside surfaces and start creaking?
> 
> I would try gently compressing the fender where it passes through the fork to 
> provide a bit more clearance. It shouldn't take much.
> 
> --Eric N
> www.CampyOnly.com 
> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com 
> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
> 
> On Apr 5, 2017, at 6:55 AM, Jim S. > wrote:
> 
>> I have the leather washers, thank you for offering.
>> 
>> It's weird. With the front wheel installed, if I manipulate the fender, it 
>> definitely creaks.
>> 
>> But I put the bike in the stand, and removed the front wheel. No more creek.
>> 
>> Could compressing the fork by the skewer somehow make the fender creek? If 
>> it matters, it's a dynamo hub so the skewer is tightened via allen bolt, not 
>> clamp.
>> 
>> On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 8:55:49 PM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
>> Did you use leather washers between the fenders and the frame? I have a bag 
>> full if you need a few. 
>> 
>> –Eric N
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 4, 2017, at 6:34 PM, Jim S. > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all, 
>>> 
>>> I was hoping for some ideas on stopping my front fender from creaking. It 
>>> happens most noticeably when I pedal out of the saddle. (Yes, I know the 
>>> obvious answer - stay in the saddle.) I'm not sure what to change. Makes me 
>>> wish I'd have left the SKS fenders on it. Thanks in advance for any ideas.
>>> 
>>> Jim S.
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Belopsky]

It's not done, waiting on a 5speed freewheel (arrives today, I think..), 
need to run cables/housing for brakes, and get some tires/tubes..

Here it is before I got some Mavic/Campagnolo Record wheels and swapped the 
bars and stem for some Nitto (Cinelli too much $$$ and I do not care to 
make it 'period correct')



https://www.flickr.com/photos/14767344@N07/33463955011/in/album-72157679968193681/

On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 12:39:18 PM UTC-4, Christopher Cote wrote:
>
> What's the story on the Richard Sachs? Do you have any pictures to share?
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 3:12:24 PM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> No longer any Rivendell's that I personally own, but my wife has a 
>> Cheviot.
>>
>> I have/will have:
>> 1. 2016 Bob Jackson Audax End-End. My go-fast bike.
>> 2. 2017 Bob Jackson Vigorelli. Single speed go-fast road (frame en route).
>> 3. 1976 Richard Sachs Road bike. Go-fast vintage mostly-Campy bike.
>> 4. 2009 Grand Bois Randonneur. Comfortable, 650B. Probably most 
>> versatile? 650B is nice for the roads here..
>> 5. An older Trek mountain bike that I stripped and is going to be a 
>> parts-bin-bike. Not sure what I'll use it for, perhaps single speed trail..
>> 6. Bikes Direct (yep!) Windsor Oxford that I am building up for my city 
>> commuter/beater. Cheap Clem Smith Jr perhaps? LOL
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Swift Industries luggage?

[Deacon Patrick]

I'll advocate something completely different: Waxed canvas. I've steered 
away from nylon in the field. It always makes noise, a spark from a fire 
melts through it, and it holds odors. I have loved my waxed canvas 
Toursacks, and have now switched to Frost River's waxed canvas for both my 
saddle bag and panniers (and a few others). Great for everything so far 
(day rides, grocery getting, errand running). Looking forward to putting 
them through the paces bikepacking. All signs from my use so far say two 
thumbs up.

With abandon,
Patrick

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>
> Hey, anyone here using Swift luggage. I almost pulled the trigger last 
> year and the itch has returned this year in anticipation of some summer 
> bike camping. I'm considering the Jr Ranger panniers. But the Sugarloaf 
> looks pretty sweet too. A little more exciting than my practical and 
> dependable Ortliebs. I like the features on the Rangers and the attachment 
> method seems better for rough roads.
>
> --mike
>

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Wally Estrella]

> Quickbeam's the beer getter? :)
>
Actually, YES! I used it to ride into Portland to Allagash.   Those must be 
long gone by now ;)
 

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[RBW] Re: Et Tu Brooks?

[Garth]

 The same could have been said when they came out with the Cambiums, as 
saddle made of whhat ?  

 FWIW,  Brooks is owned by Selle Royal and has since 2002 when 
Raleigh/Sturmey Archer/Brooks company went bankrupt in '99. Their future 
was in limbo and in danger of being liquidated.  Who knows who decides 
what, or who ever did for that matter. 



On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 11:18:59 AM UTC-4, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> I was just surprised that a company like Brooks would build a 
> carbon-framed saddle.  I guess you have to diversify to meet the demands of 
> the market.  That said, the saddle is not an area of the bike where I'd 
> want to risk a carbon failure.  I wonder if these are carbon over a light 
> wire frame, like carbon wrapped aluminum seatposts, or if these are all 
> carbon.
>
> John
>

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Re: [RBW] N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Christopher Cote]

Very nice. I'm wondering more about its history, where you found it, etc. 
It's not every day an RS comes up for sale.

Chris


On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 12:53:38 PM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>
> It's not done, waiting on a 5speed freewheel (arrives today, I think..), 
> need to run cables/housing for brakes, and get some tires/tubes..
>
> Here it is before I got some Mavic/Campagnolo Record wheels and swapped 
> the bars and stem for some Nitto (Cinelli too much $$$ and I do not care to 
> make it 'period correct')
>
>
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/14767344@N07/33463955011/in/album-72157679968193681/
>
> On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 12:39:18 PM UTC-4, Christopher Cote wrote:
>>
>> What's the story on the Richard Sachs? Do you have any pictures to share?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 3:12:24 PM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>>>
>>> No longer any Rivendell's that I personally own, but my wife has a 
>>> Cheviot.
>>>
>>> I have/will have:
>>> 1. 2016 Bob Jackson Audax End-End. My go-fast bike.
>>> 2. 2017 Bob Jackson Vigorelli. Single speed go-fast road (frame en 
>>> route).
>>> 3. 1976 Richard Sachs Road bike. Go-fast vintage mostly-Campy bike.
>>> 4. 2009 Grand Bois Randonneur. Comfortable, 650B. Probably most 
>>> versatile? 650B is nice for the roads here..
>>> 5. An older Trek mountain bike that I stripped and is going to be a 
>>> parts-bin-bike. Not sure what I'll use it for, perhaps single speed trail..
>>> 6. Bikes Direct (yep!) Windsor Oxford that I am building up for my city 
>>> commuter/beater. Cheap Clem Smith Jr perhaps? LOL
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Belopsky]

A Paceline member had it, was his wife's, she did not ride it.. 1976 
Richard Sachs. 60th made with the Richard Sachs label

@Wally - most are gone, drank the Haunted House last night actually, I 
think we have a few of the bigger bottles still

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[RBW] Re: Et Tu Brooks?

[Belopsky]

there is a C13 in 158mm http://www.brooksengland.com/en_us/c13-158-1.html

On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 11:09:10 AM UTC-4, Johnny Alien wrote:
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> I dont think it looks like there is a 158 width. Is there one?

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Re: [RBW] Re: TRP RRL and 7 speed compatability

[David Johnston]

Tektro does make a model specifically for V-brakes though. I can't
remember the model number. It looks a little weird because it has an
extended hood because of the longer lever arm.

-Dave

On 4/6/17, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> TRP RRL brake levers pull an appropriate amount of cable for road bike
> calipers. Typical V-brake calipers require a lot more cable pull. In the
> coarsest terms with no specifics short pull levers with long pull requiring
> brakes will work but the two frequent complaints are
>
> 1. Extremely squishy braking. It's super easy to pull the levers all the way
> to the handlebar
> 2. You have to run the brake pads extremely close to the rims
>
> If the v brakes in question are not actually typical v-brakes but instead
> are mini v brakes like Paul Mini Motos or similar, then those two complaints
> are significantly mitigated.  If the brake posts are positioned in a way
> that allows you to run your brake pads all the way up at the top, the math
> of mechanical advantage also improves.
>
> So, as usual, it depends
>
> BL in EC
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[RBW] FS: Brooks C17 carved - natural - $75 shipped

[Belopsky]

It's a bit blue otherwise low miles. I need a narrower seat.

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Re: [RBW] creaking berthoud fenders

[Ryan Fleming]

CTRL-ALT-DELETE ?  :)

On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 11:47:06 AM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> So, kind of the “Did you turn it off and on again?” approach. I like it.
>
> --Eric Norris
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> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
>
> On Apr 6, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Jim S. > wrote:
>
> Steve and Eric, thanks for your responses. I think I solved the problem 
> with a very scientific approach. I took the wheel off and put it back on. 
> It doesn't creak anymore. I'd guess it had to do with compression on the 
> fork blades. For a while there, I was wishing I had the SKS's, but all's 
> well that ends well.
>
> On Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 9:14:05 AM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
>>
>> Tightening the quick release (or allen fastener in your case) will 
>> usually move the fork blades ever so slightly toward each other. Maybe 
>> that's enough to cause the fender to touch inside surfaces and start 
>> creaking?
>>
>> I would try gently compressing the fender where it passes through the 
>> fork to provide a bit more clearance. It shouldn't take much.
>>
>> --Eric N
>> www.CampyOnly.com 
>> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com 
>> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>
>> On Apr 5, 2017, at 6:55 AM, Jim S.  wrote:
>>
>> I have the leather washers, thank you for offering.
>>
>> It's weird. With the front wheel installed, if I manipulate the fender, 
>> it definitely creaks.
>>
>> But I put the bike in the stand, and removed the front wheel. No more 
>> creek.
>>
>> Could compressing the fork by the skewer somehow make the fender creek? 
>> If it matters, it's a dynamo hub so the skewer is tightened via allen bolt, 
>> not clamp.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 8:55:49 PM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
>>>
>>> Did you use leather washers between the fenders and the frame? I have a 
>>> bag full if you need a few. 
>>>
>>> –Eric N
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 4, 2017, at 6:34 PM, Jim S.  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all, 
>>>
>>> I was hoping for some ideas on stopping my front fender from creaking. 
>>> It happens most noticeably when I pedal out of the saddle. (Yes, I know the 
>>> obvious answer - stay in the saddle.) I'm not sure what to change. Makes me 
>>> wish I'd have left the SKS fenders on it. Thanks in advance for any ideas.
>>>
>>> Jim S.
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Re: [RBW] Re: TRP RRL and 7 speed compatability

[drew]

I have the rl520. Not terrible looking to my eye. Doesn't feel as nice as the 
trp, but there are only a couple options for drop v levers, as far as I can 
tell.

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Re: [RBW] creaking berthoud fenders

[Steve Palincsar]

Only works if you aren't too badly hosed...


On 04/06/2017 03:30 PM, Ryan Fleming wrote:

CTRL-ALT-DELETE ?  :)

On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 11:47:06 AM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:

So, kind of the “Did you turn it off and on again?” approach. I
like it.



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[RBW] Re: Et Tu Brooks?

[ascpgh]

Brooks is going for marketing glam over staid performance and 
dependability. Like Minh, I hope it's about adding new buyers whose 
patronage will support keeping their more traditional, if not lower volume, 
products in production. 

If you made a heat map a bicycle of where weight reduction is graphically 
related to its impact on ridability or performance, I'd bet it would 
highlight the saddle. Wheels would light up for sure, rims, tires and spoke 
nipples especially.

Super light saddle rail materials and aluminum nipples live in the same 
zone of folly for my uses. After getting in the ring with each of them and 
getting the horns from them, I hold them in a special regard. Regardless of 
the theoretical benefits, the weight reduction couldn't match the hassles 
introduced by each nor substantiate their shorter life span under my uses.

Sometimes predictability and lack of hassle can overcomes a substantial 
weight differential. Doesn't sell more Red Bull and probably not Brooks 
Saddles to folks who use them for ten years or more. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh 

On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 10:48:46 AM UTC-4, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> I was noting in the link that they seem to be making multiple widths of 
> the carbon-railed saddle, including a 145mm and a 158mm, so you may be in 
> luck.  
>
> Personally, carbon saddles are not for me, but it is cool to see brooks 
> bringing the idea of a suspended saddle to different markets.
>
> On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 6:32:18 AM UTC-7, Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>> I actually like having a light version of a great Brooks saddle but these 
>> are too narrow for my taste.  I ride Brooks for the ride quality and take a 
>> hit on the weight because of that.  I believe most people here use smart 
>> parts that they like and deal with the weight disadvantage. If they made a 
>> carbon version of the C15 or C17 I would easily choose them over the 
>> standard version.  Why not have the comfortable saddle WITH a reduced 
>> weight. I would love to have an incredibly useful bike that could be 
>> brought down a pound or two.  And I understand the "lose 2 pounds off of 
>> the engine" argument and agree with it BUT if it's the same saddle quality 
>> wise and comfort I would pick the lighter one.  I assume the counter 
>> argument will be that the carbon rails are destined to fail but I myself 
>> wouldn't think it would be an issue.
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks C17 carved - natural - $75 shipped

[Belopsky]

Photos
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[RBW] Et Tu Brooks?

[Joe Bernard]

Neat saddles, but my one foray with a Cambium didn't go well. A leather B17 on 
a carbon frame would probably be too weird for them to make, but I'd try it. I 
love my ti-rail version: lighter, and the rails are longer than the steel ones. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[AJ]

It was; is, a difficult decision.  As others have noted, it may end up not 
being worth selling some of the collection.  The market may very well view 
the pieces at a lesser value than I.  -AJ

On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 8:50:18 AM UTC-4,  Bronson wrote:
>
> Wow AJ, extremely impressive collection.  I'd be hard pressed to let 
> any of those go. 
>
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 5:54 PM, AJ > 
> wrote: 
> > I'm preparing to move to another home, giving me the opportunity to pare 
> > down a few things.  This thread arrived at an interesting time.  Today I 
> sat 
> > down to try and figure out my N. Interesting exercise; looks like N=7. 
> > 
> > I will be parting with close 'friends'. 
> > 
> > Keeping 
> > Riv All Rounder - as name suggests 
> > Riv Bombadil - Touring 
> > Riv Rambouillet - Relaxed Road 
> > Surly Big Dummy - Grocery Getting 
> > Richard Sachs - Road 
> > 
> > Moots psychlo x - Cross 
> > La Suprema Custom - All Rounder 
> > 
> > Leaving the stable 
> > IF Touring - Touring 
> > Bike Friday Rocket - Travel 
> > Kirk Terraplane - Road 
> > Eddy Merckx Corsa - Road 
> > Rawlands Sogn - All Rounder, Mountain 
> > Lemond Poprad - Bum around 
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne complete

[Will Ashe]

Shipping and packing for the build kit or frame/fork/headset will be about $100 
per my LBS. I will split the cost so tack $50 on to these prices for shipping 
included.  

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[rob markwardt]

I haven't purchased a bike in a couple years now but for me its always been 
about how the bike looks.  If it doesn't meet my narrow definition of cool 
then no matter how awesome the bike I'm not interested.  For me this means 
steel, classic road bike geometry, old school components, and 
graphics/colors/names that mesh with my brain.  Vintage 60s/70's road 
bikes?...YES!  Classic Riv roads/Rambo/Bleriot/Saluki/Legolas...YES!  I 
kind of dig the H.Homers and the Roadeos, etc. but I just can't get past 
the names so they aren't in my garage.  I also can't get past disc brakes, 
brifters, upright bars, and funky designs...I kind of like looking at them 
but I just don't want them.  I went bonkers for about ten years but I'm 
pretty happy now.  Here's what I have in order from what gets the most 
mileage.

1. Bleriot - awesome. I ride this bike all the time and if forced to pick 
one this is it.
2. 77 Trek - Many miles the past couple years
3. 74 Hetchins - sunny day road bike.  A visual of what I like?...this is 
it.
4. Rock Combo - my mountain\snow\deluge bike
5. 01 Riv custom - sunny day, long distance rider (haven't ridden this in 
months!)
6. 71 Paramount - I love this bike but haven't ridden it for awhile.
7. 79 Austro Daimler - recently converted to 650b...should be moving up the 
list soon.
8. 72 PX-10  - Hibernating in the crawl space. 

A few pics here





On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 8:24:18 AM UTC-7, Bob K. wrote:

> Hey Folks:
>
> I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up every now and again, but 
> Ryan's question to Eric in the Rivendell Road SOLD thread made me wonder 
> how folks settle on their stable size. I fall squarely in the minimalist 
> camp, but I'm guessing others here probably don't. So:
>
> 1. How do you settle on what N equals for you? (N+1, I know, I know...)
> 2. What bikes do you currently own/have in regular rotation and why do you 
> own them? 
>
> My stable is currently at one because of a recent sale, but it will (soon) 
> bump back up to two. I settled on two as the acceptable number of bikes for 
> a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine riding enough to 
> justify having any more of them. We also don't have the space for me to 
> store any additional bikes aside from in a somewhat humid basement, and 
> neither my wife nor myself would appreciate more bikes in the corner of the 
> living room as we're not big fans of clutter, especially clutter that 
> doesn't get used very often.
>
> Current Stable:
>
> 1. 2009 Sam Hillborne (canti): Used mostly for road riding and touring and 
> some occasional single track and forest roads if the ride allows/inspires 
> it.
>
> 2. 2017 Surly Troll: I settled on the new Troll after a lengthy flirtation 
> with the idea of buying a Crust Evasion and other bikes as well. I decided 
> the Troll is better for my needs for a number of reasons: the geometry 
> readily accepts a Jones H-Bar, 2x is easy vs. not doable at all with the 
> Evasion, and my desired 26x3.0 setup doesn't require the need for expensive 
> cranksets. It's also $300 cheaper and I like the maroon better than the 
> also admittedly pretty Evasion color. It will take the place of my 
> erstwhile Krampus as my mountain bike, off-road tourer, long distance 
> tourer (if/when I get to do that!), kid trailer, and stuff hauler. 
>
> How about you?
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore
>
>

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[rob markwardt]

the forgotten link

https://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/albums/72157606340462594

On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 4:20:30 PM UTC-7, rob markwardt wrote:

> I haven't purchased a bike in a couple years now but for me its always 
> been about how the bike looks.  If it doesn't meet my narrow definition of 
> cool then no matter how awesome the bike I'm not interested.  For me this 
> means steel, classic road bike geometry, old school components, and 
> graphics/colors/names that mesh with my brain.  Vintage 60s/70's road 
> bikes?...YES!  Classic Riv roads/Rambo/Bleriot/Saluki/Legolas...YES!  I 
> kind of dig the H.Homers and the Roadeos, etc. but I just can't get past 
> the names so they aren't in my garage.  I also can't get past disc brakes, 
> brifters, upright bars, and funky designs...I kind of like looking at them 
> but I just don't want them.  I went bonkers for about ten years but I'm 
> pretty happy now.  Here's what I have in order from what gets the most 
> mileage.
>
> 1. Bleriot - awesome. I ride this bike all the time and if forced to pick 
> one this is it.
> 2. 77 Trek - Many miles the past couple years
> 3. 74 Hetchins - sunny day road bike.  A visual of what I like?...this is 
> it.
> 4. Rock Combo - my mountain\snow\deluge bike
> 5. 01 Riv custom - sunny day, long distance rider (haven't ridden this in 
> months!)
> 6. 71 Paramount - I love this bike but haven't ridden it for awhile.
> 7. 79 Austro Daimler - recently converted to 650b...should be moving up 
> the list soon.
> 8. 72 PX-10  - Hibernating in the crawl space. 
>
> A few pics here
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 8:24:18 AM UTC-7, Bob K. wrote:
>
>> Hey Folks:
>>
>> I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up every now and again, but 
>> Ryan's question to Eric in the Rivendell Road SOLD thread made me wonder 
>> how folks settle on their stable size. I fall squarely in the minimalist 
>> camp, but I'm guessing others here probably don't. So:
>>
>> 1. How do you settle on what N equals for you? (N+1, I know, I know...)
>> 2. What bikes do you currently own/have in regular rotation and why do 
>> you own them? 
>>
>> My stable is currently at one because of a recent sale, but it will 
>> (soon) bump back up to two. I settled on two as the acceptable number of 
>> bikes for a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine riding 
>> enough to justify having any more of them. We also don't have the space for 
>> me to store any additional bikes aside from in a somewhat humid basement, 
>> and neither my wife nor myself would appreciate more bikes in the corner of 
>> the living room as we're not big fans of clutter, especially clutter that 
>> doesn't get used very often.
>>
>> Current Stable:
>>
>> 1. 2009 Sam Hillborne (canti): Used mostly for road riding and touring 
>> and some occasional single track and forest roads if the ride 
>> allows/inspires it.
>>
>> 2. 2017 Surly Troll: I settled on the new Troll after a lengthy 
>> flirtation with the idea of buying a Crust Evasion and other bikes as well. 
>> I decided the Troll is better for my needs for a number of reasons: the 
>> geometry readily accepts a Jones H-Bar, 2x is easy vs. not doable at all 
>> with the Evasion, and my desired 26x3.0 setup doesn't require the need for 
>> expensive cranksets. It's also $300 cheaper and I like the maroon better 
>> than the also admittedly pretty Evasion color. It will take the place of my 
>> erstwhile Krampus as my mountain bike, off-road tourer, long distance 
>> tourer (if/when I get to do that!), kid trailer, and stuff hauler. 
>>
>> How about you?
>>
>> Bob K. in Baltimore
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Will]

I walked out to the garage. Counted 8 bikes ready to ride: 2 trail bikes, 4 
mixtes, 1 sport touring road, 1 Atlantis. There are 4 more bikes, mostly 
disassembled. SO N = 12 for 4 of us. Of those 12, 4 are daily riders. All 
of the daily riders have Tubus racks and support Ortlieb bags. The other 
bikes are place holders. One of the place holders is dedicated to BOB 
trailer duty for example. 

I ride the Atlantis. I cannot find a reason to ride one of the others. So 
for me effectively... N = 1. If I had started with the Atlantis, I'd have a 
lot more room in the garage.   

On Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 10:29:06 AM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> I have too many bicycles right now. But I do like picking something up 
> cheap and then amazing myself with how much money I can spend getting it to 
> run nicely. Conceptually, I would very much like to be a one bike guy, like 
> my great uncle Bernie, who delivered the mail for the Irish Post by bicycle 
> his whole life.
>
>
>
>
> But emotionally I just am not wired in such a fashion. As a general rule,  
> I gravitate toward bicycles with some beausage, though several recent 
> projects involve or will involve spray paint. My preferences were also 
> shaped in good measure by a Rivendell outlook, and many sport Riv parts and 
> accessories.
>
> My most important bikes are the ones I use when riding with my son. They 
> include:
>
> Rivendell Clementine , with 
> Burley Piccollo attached.
> Early 1990s Santana Vision , 26" 
> tandem
> Converted Trek 750 Multitrack , 
> with Rivendell fork
>
> Bikes I have a hard time justifying getting rid of because a., I could not 
> get much for them, and b. I like the ride.
>
> 1974? Le Tour mixte , baby blue 
> tubeset
> 1974 Ron Kitching , 531 with 
> first gen Dura Ace
> 1960s Louison Bobet , 531 with 
> Nervex lugset, set up as a fixed gear (though contemplating gears and 
> tubular tires for the summer)
> Early 80s Kuwahara , Ishiwata 022
>
> I have three projects I hope to finish in the next few month, then that's 
> it for me:
>
> 1970s Lambert , straight gauge 
> 1027 "aerospace" tubing. Converting this to 650b.
> 1970s Takara , all chrome 
> underneath, takes 700x42 tires.
> 1940s Bianchi 650b  city bike. 
> Need to replace some of the original parts, I am going to strip it down and 
> not be concerned with historical accuracy.
>
> I have several old school rigid mountain bikes 
>  laying around as well, plus a 
> Raleigh 
> Twenty folder and a couple of 
> steel road frames. 
>
> Oh, and I just picked up this "Tourist" Atala. Always wanted a bike with a 
> stick shift.
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Bill M.]

Currently in the stable are three that get ridden regularly, two that don't:

Rawland Nordavinden - the current 'gosortafast' bike for weekend group 
rides, 2x10, 32 mm tires.  I have a custom frame on order that will replace 
this one, due this fall.  

Rawland rSogn - randoish build, front bag, 3x8 with a narrow range 
cassette, Hetres - I use this one for solo rides with minimal baggage.

Riv Clem - fat tires, rack, panniers - errand runner / grocery getter / 
occasional fire road cruiser.  

1984 Miyata 1000 - owned since new, will eventually wind up at the family 
homestead in Mendocino county to encourage me to get up there more often.
>
>
Burley Django recumbent - sitting in the shed unridden for several years 
now, I really should sell it.

Bill
Stockton, CA

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[RBW] Tires for Sam

[Broccoli Cog]

 know the cream of the crop recommendation for the Sam is the 38mm Compass 
Barlow Pass. What about others that are a little less? How about the 
Continental's that Riv sells. They call them "basketball" tires. Anyone 
with first hand knowledge on the Conti's?

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Re: [RBW] N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Eric Norris]

Oh gosh. This would drive me crazy. It’s probably a sign of some deep disorder, 
but all of my bikes are ready to ride at a moment’s notice.

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> On Apr 6, 2017, at 4:48 PM, Will  wrote:
> 
> There are 4 more bikes, mostly disassembled.

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Re: [RBW] Tires for Sam

[Steven Sweedler]

I just finished a tour of 1200  m. with the Conti 700 x 42 tires, rolled
nice but seemed attracted to the wires that tires  seem to find especially
if pumped up  to 40 lbs or more. less flats when pressure was lower, they
are still on my bike and no flats since I have been home with maybe another
300 m. but would not buy them again. My gf had no flats with Schwalbe
Marathon Supreme.  Steve
Plymouth, NH
On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 8:15 PM Broccoli Cog  wrote:

>  know the cream of the crop recommendation for the Sam is the 38mm Compass
> Barlow Pass. What about others that are a little less? How about the
> Continental's that Riv sells. They call them "basketball" tires. Anyone
> with first hand knowledge on the Conti's?
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Re: [RBW] N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Lee Legrand]

I often thought, still do on occasion of living without a vehicle and soley
by car.  It was this reason that I thought I how many bicycle I would need
based on what I would be using the bicycle for.

1. For commuting back and forth to work that was comfortable, not terribly
light, low maintenance and could carry the things I need to get to work.  A
foldable bicycle would work great for that.
2. A Pick up bicycle for carrying grocery or large objects.  It would have
a small wheel up front and large wheel in the back where the front wheel is
where the load would be applied and the rider is in the back with cable
operation to move the front wheel where you needed it (Francisis Cycles).
3. Randonuer bicycle that function as a randoneur, century or taking a
bicycle for an outing.
4. Touring bicycle to take a week to wander with tent, cooking utensil and
clothes.

It would be a N=4 bicycle.

On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 8:21 PM, Eric Norris  wrote:

> Oh gosh. This would drive me crazy. It’s probably a sign of some deep
> disorder, but all of my bikes are ready to ride at a moment’s notice.
>
> --Eric Norris
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> On Apr 6, 2017, at 4:48 PM, Will  wrote:
>
> There are 4 more bikes, mostly disassembled.
>
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[RBW] WTB: 61cm Atlantis

[Sky Coulter]

Hey Frank,

If Michael isn't interested, i'd love to see a price and a pic.

Sky in new west

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Re: [RBW] Tires for Sam

[Conway Bennett]

My favorites were my rock 'n roads.  They didn't last though.  I now have 
schwalbe mondials 700x1.75s which I really like.  

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[RBW] Re: Tires for Sam

[GAJett]

Can't speak to the Conti's but I recently replaced my worn-out original 
Schwalbe Marathon 650Bx38 with Compass Loup-Loup Pass extra-lights of the 
same size.  The difference is phenomenal!  Seat of the pants and watching 
average speeds over several common routes indicates the Compass tires are 
1-1/2 to 2 mph faster when run at similar pressures.  They're also roll a 
lot more smoothly.  Yeah they're spendy but totally worth it.  I couldn't 
be happier.  
Cheers!
(Probably only about 500 miles so far, but no flats vs. 1 flat per 1,000 
miles on the Schwalbe's.)

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[RBW] Re: Et Tu Brooks?

[Orc]

On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 2:00:53 PM UTC-7, ascpgh wrote:
>
> Brooks is going for marketing glam over staid performance and 
> dependability. 
>

I'm not sure this is a new thing.   The way Brooks has been marketing their 
leather saddles is *very* much pushing a lifestyle;  it just may be more 
obvious with the C-line saddles because you're not used to them.

(And the carbon-railed C's are actually quite nice; they're better than the 
steel-railed ones.  It's possible that the way the carbon rails flex works 
better with the rubber+cotton top than the steel rails did.   On my 
personal list of saddle comfort the 145mm C13 feels better than the 
similarly-widthed Brooks (the Swift?) and Berthoud, if not as nice as the 
Berthoud Aspin   (I can't speak to the Brooks Pro, even though they used to 
be my go-to saddle;  after having two of them collapse after only 25k miles 
it sort of put me off on them.)

-david parsons

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[RBW] Did someone buy Grant's Atlantis?

[Christopher Murray]

The other day (yesterday?) there was a Blug post offering Grant's prototype 
Atlantis for sale. The price for the frame and fork was $1100 but only $560 if 
you bought the parts to build it into a complete bike. The post was only up for 
a very short time. I'm hoping some snatched it quick and will post some pics of 
the ORIGINAL Atlantis or maybe Grant changed his mind? Or maybe I dreamed this 
(not impossible!). Anyone else see this Blug? 

Cheers!
Chris

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[RBW] Re: Did someone buy Grant's Atlantis?

[Matt Rhodes]

Yep, I saw it too! Also curious as to whether it was purchased or whether 
Grant decided to keep it.

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[RBW] WTB: 61cm Atlantis

[Eric Karnes]

I'd also be interested if Micheal and Sky pass. Thanks!

Eric

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[RBW] Re: Tires for Sam

[drew]

I have the conti speed whatevers 700x42. They replaced marathon supremes in 
700X50. I like them ok. No flats yet, quicker than the marathons felt, not 
amazingly plush, decent on dirt. 
Once I wear them out, I want to try the cazaderos.

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[RBW] Re: Et Tu Brooks?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I like leather saddles in general because they look good on the older steel 
bicycles I like to ride, and because they are comfortable, and because, 
like the older bicycles, they get better looking with age. And they require 
you to pay them just a bit of attention. The only "weight disadvantage" 
that needs to be dealt with is in the mind. Even if you are a category 2 
racing BOB, you will never lose a race because you rode with a leather 
saddle. I personally guarantee it;^)

We must continually make new stuff because our economy does not work unless 
per capita consumption continues to increase. This is why many of us are in 
a permanent state of dissatisfaction, yearning for the next better new 
thing. I stick mostly with leather to avoid all the stress, though I admit 
to being curious when a particular saddle gets a rave here or over at iBOB. 
What sublime luxury am I denying my posterior? I don't doubt there are more 
comfortable saddles out there. But which ones? I can't afford the research. 

Yikes! Too many choices. *http://tinyurl.com/kypp5kf* 


(smart parts backwards is strap trams)

On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 9:32:18 AM UTC-4, Johnny Alien wrote:
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>  I believe most people here use smart parts that they like and deal with 
> the weight disadvantage.
>

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Tasty bikes. Too bad about the low bb on the Combo.

On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 7:22:31 PM UTC-4, rob markwardt wrote:
>
> the forgotten link
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/albums/72157606340462594
>
> On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 4:20:30 PM UTC-7, rob markwardt wrote:
>
>> I haven't purchased a bike in a couple years now but for me its always 
>> been about how the bike looks.  If it doesn't meet my narrow definition of 
>> cool then no matter how awesome the bike I'm not interested.  For me this 
>> means steel, classic road bike geometry, old school components, and 
>> graphics/colors/names that mesh with my brain.  Vintage 60s/70's road 
>> bikes?...YES!  Classic Riv roads/Rambo/Bleriot/Saluki/Legolas...YES!  I 
>> kind of dig the H.Homers and the Roadeos, etc. but I just can't get past 
>> the names so they aren't in my garage.  I also can't get past disc brakes, 
>> brifters, upright bars, and funky designs...I kind of like looking at them 
>> but I just don't want them.  I went bonkers for about ten years but I'm 
>> pretty happy now.  Here's what I have in order from what gets the most 
>> mileage.
>>
>> 1. Bleriot - awesome. I ride this bike all the time and if forced to pick 
>> one this is it.
>> 2. 77 Trek - Many miles the past couple years
>> 3. 74 Hetchins - sunny day road bike.  A visual of what I like?...this is 
>> it.
>> 4. Rock Combo - my mountain\snow\deluge bike
>> 5. 01 Riv custom - sunny day, long distance rider (haven't ridden this in 
>> months!)
>> 6. 71 Paramount - I love this bike but haven't ridden it for awhile.
>> 7. 79 Austro Daimler - recently converted to 650b...should be moving up 
>> the list soon.
>> 8. 72 PX-10  - Hibernating in the crawl space. 
>>
>> A few pics here
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 8:24:18 AM UTC-7, Bob K. wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Folks:
>>>
>>> I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up every now and again, but 
>>> Ryan's question to Eric in the Rivendell Road SOLD thread made me wonder 
>>> how folks settle on their stable size. I fall squarely in the minimalist 
>>> camp, but I'm guessing others here probably don't. So:
>>>
>>> 1. How do you settle on what N equals for you? (N+1, I know, I know...)
>>> 2. What bikes do you currently own/have in regular rotation and why do 
>>> you own them? 
>>>
>>> My stable is currently at one because of a recent sale, but it will 
>>> (soon) bump back up to two. I settled on two as the acceptable number of 
>>> bikes for a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine riding 
>>> enough to justify having any more of them. We also don't have the space for 
>>> me to store any additional bikes aside from in a somewhat humid basement, 
>>> and neither my wife nor myself would appreciate more bikes in the corner of 
>>> the living room as we're not big fans of clutter, especially clutter that 
>>> doesn't get used very often.
>>>
>>> Current Stable:
>>>
>>> 1. 2009 Sam Hillborne (canti): Used mostly for road riding and touring 
>>> and some occasional single track and forest roads if the ride 
>>> allows/inspires it.
>>>
>>> 2. 2017 Surly Troll: I settled on the new Troll after a lengthy 
>>> flirtation with the idea of buying a Crust Evasion and other bikes as well. 
>>> I decided the Troll is better for my needs for a number of reasons: the 
>>> geometry readily accepts a Jones H-Bar, 2x is easy vs. not doable at all 
>>> with the Evasion, and my desired 26x3.0 setup doesn't require the need for 
>>> expensive cranksets. It's also $300 cheaper and I like the maroon better 
>>> than the also admittedly pretty Evasion color. It will take the place of my 
>>> erstwhile Krampus as my mountain bike, off-road tourer, long distance 
>>> tourer (if/when I get to do that!), kid trailer, and stuff hauler. 
>>>
>>> How about you?
>>>
>>> Bob K. in Baltimore
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Did someone buy Grant's Atlantis?

[Richard Rios]

wow I completely missed that one...I have a 56 atlantis and love it. for some 
reason in my mind I just paired that bike up with Grant as a forever kinda 
thing. Maybe because it was in the adds, posts, and whatnot a lot during the 
time I started to really geting into Rivendell. Makes me kinda sad to think 
it's been sold (not that it's any of my buisness) but just from a sentimental 
standpoint. definately got me wondering what happened though...

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[RBW] Re: Tires for Sam

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

I'm running 38 Victoria Hypers available here for $17 plus shipping.

http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/TYVIVOHY/vittoria-voyager-hyper-folding-tyre

I did get a flat yesterday, from a staple, but it was the first in several 
months of gnarly urban commuting. I run Supremes in the winter. These are 
much more fun.

Jay


On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 7:00:15 AM UTC+3, drew wrote:
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> I have the conti speed whatevers 700x42. They replaced marathon supremes 
> in 700X50. I like them ok. No flats yet, quicker than the marathons felt, 
> not amazingly plush, decent on dirt. 
> Once I wear them out, I want to try the cazaderos.

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[RBW] Re: Tires for Sam

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

I checked again. I have the 35s, which are plenty wide for me. The 38s are 
$20.

On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 8:15:48 AM UTC+3, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> I'm running 38 Victoria Hypers available here for $17 plus shipping.
>
> http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/TYVIVOHY/vittoria-voyager-hyper-folding-tyre
>
> I did get a flat yesterday, from a staple, but it was the first in several 
> months of gnarly urban commuting. I run Supremes in the winter. These are 
> much more fun.
>
> Jay
>
>
> On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 7:00:15 AM UTC+3, drew wrote:
>>
>> I have the conti speed whatevers 700x42. They replaced marathon supremes 
>> in 700X50. I like them ok. No flats yet, quicker than the marathons felt, 
>> not amazingly plush, decent on dirt. 
>> Once I wear them out, I want to try the cazaderos.
>
>

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