[RBW] Re: Largest tires in a Sam

[EricP]

It should.  Jim Thill at Hiawatha Cyclery set up an orange Sam
Hillborne with those tires.  Good clearance from what I remember.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Jul 11, 6:49 pm, MTR  wrote:
> I'm wondering if Panracer firecross 45c tires will fit in my 2tt
> waterford sam hilborne?
> Thanks guys

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[RBW] Berthoud rack

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2011-07-11 at 09:35 -0700, Eric wrote:

> curious about your front rack.
> 
> I have this difficulty mounting my headlight securly from my Mark's
> Rack...the Berthoud rack w/ light mount looks great. I might have to
> throw down for one!
> 
> Just curious if you know the dimensions, I'd like to know if it'd fit
> my small Sackville loafer bag.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/stronglight/sets/72157604219245046/
"Rack top measures 190 mm. front to rear. 110 mm. wide."





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[RBW] 2TT gaining traction?

[Allan in Portland]

Just spied another bike maker following Grant's lead with the 2TT:
http://bikeportland.org/2011/07/11/walmart-goes-dutch-with-hollandia-model-56167

I wonder, structural or aesthetic?

-Allan

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[RBW] Re: new AHH, new city: Seattle build advice

[Mike]

I think you'll enjoy your Hilsen. I have one the same size as yours.
It's a great versatile bike that allows lots of different set-up
options. I live in Portland and have used my Hilsen for all the things
you've mentioned. I definitely recommend Nittoo Noodle bars and a
Brooks B17 saddle.

For tires... this can be tough since the Hilsen has such great
clearance. I've used Paselas, Marathons, Marathon Supremes, T-Serves,
and Jack Browns (greens and blues). All have their good points
although it sounds like Marathon Supremes (700x35) might work well for
you. I certainly like them, especially for "zippy" rides.

I've used SKS and Berthoud fenders. the Berthouds provide better
coverage yet I don't mind the SKS fenders. Right now the Hilsen is
fenderless but come fall I'll put fenders back on it. Hard to say
which ones. Probably if I had no fenders and knew what I know now, I'd
go with Honjos or VOs.

When I first got my Hilsen I used the Sugino XD that Riv sells. It's a
great crank but I decided I wanted to use a double so I got a Sugino
double and use 46/34 rings with an 8spd cassette. I use Silver
shifters. Currently in the BE form but I have run them on the DT.

I've used all kinds of luggage on it.

Here's pictures:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157613195465589/

Let us know what you decide and be sure to post pictures. One final
question, and not to complicate things, but at 6'3" are you sure a 63
will be big enough? What's your PBH? Mine is 91 and my SH is 80.5.
Definitely listen to Riv on fit.

--mike

On Jul 11, 11:23 am, Matthew Snyder  wrote:
> Hi RBW folks,
>
> I put down a deposit on a new AHH (63cm) and I'm looking for advice on
> how to build it up.  I'm relocating to Seattle after years of living
> in various places where the biggest hills are highway overpasses.  I'm
> looking to build a commuter that can also handle weekend trips,
> overnights, "light" touring, centuries... that sort of thing.  I see
> there are a few Seattle-area people on this list so I'm hoping to
> elicit some insider advice.
>
> The AHH will not be my only bike.  I already have a Bilenky porteur
> (650B) that I will use for grocery runs and heavy loads.  I have a
> beater for locking up outside late at night.  I want the AHH to be
> zippier, more suited to a faster pace and longer rides.  I have a set
> of Acorn bags (large saddlebag and boxy rando bag) that I plan to use
> as part of the build, and I'm hopeful that those bags will be enough
> for daily use, perhaps augmented with a backpack on days when I need
> extra capacity.  I'm also considering a rear rack with panniers.  I
> have a set of orange Ortliebs which are great at keeping things dry
> and for visibility, but lose points in the attractiveness category, I
> think.
>
> I have been using albatross-style bars almost exclusively for the past
> five or six years.  But I'm thinking it makes sense to go with drops
> on the AHH for the increased riding positions.
>
> I'm 6'3", 175lbs, in case that matters.
>
> Questions I have:
> - What about the rain?  Obviously fenders are a must, but I'm
> interested in other suggestions from people living in rainy climates.
> Are there certain components you'd recommend or not recommend?  I'm
> also very interested in tire suggestions -- my current favorite tires
> are Hetres but it's been awhile since I've bought a quality 700c tire
> and I'm not sure what people like for rainy, hilly areas.
>
> - Hills.  I know this might sound silly, but I haven't had to think
> much about gearing, living on flat ground.  I always have enough gears
> and I can usually get by with just one if need be.  How do I know if I
> want a compact double or a triple?
>
> - Saddles: I've been riding mostly Brooks for years, and I carry a
> rainproof saddle cover with me.  Should I consider some non-leather
> alternatives, though?
>
> Thanks.  This will be my first Riv!
>
> --
> Matthew Snyder
> Ann Arbor, MI

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[RBW] Re: Protovelo back to CdlVs

[Justin August]

Have you thought about the SOMA b-lines? They are great and feel far
lighter than the CDlVs. Looking good, as always!

On Jul 12, 1:05 am, Esteban  wrote:
> I think that would have me too wide too low. I also just think "upside-
> down" every time I see it.  I think what will work down the line
> (maybe not for a tour) are some porteur bars on a 9cm stem.
>
> On Jul 11, 9:46 pm, Seth Vidal  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 12:30 AM, Esteban  wrote:
> > > Got the Protovelo back to where I want it.  Honjos and CdlVs: cheap,
> > > trusty, robust enough, supple enough for the commute come September.
> > > I'm hoping to commute with only a front rack and bag, keeping things
> > > generally unburdened.  Speaking of burdened, getting ready for a
> > > tour... the long tt on this bike (61cm) necessitates swept-back bars.
> > > We'll see how it does.  Any thoughts on touring with the Albatross
> > > bars?
>
> > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/5928279121/in/photostream
>
> > Any thoughts to flipping the albatross bars for the tour?
>
> > -sv

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[RBW] Re: new AHH, new city: Seattle build advice

[Justin August]

For a lighter weight rear rack that's there when you need it, I'd grab
the VO constructeur rear one. Small, low profile, but fully
pannierable. There's also the Tubus fly but it loses in style.

-J

On Jul 11, 2:23 pm, Matthew Snyder  wrote:
> Hi RBW folks,
>
> I put down a deposit on a new AHH (63cm) and I'm looking for advice on
> how to build it up.  I'm relocating to Seattle after years of living
> in various places where the biggest hills are highway overpasses.  I'm
> looking to build a commuter that can also handle weekend trips,
> overnights, "light" touring, centuries... that sort of thing.  I see
> there are a few Seattle-area people on this list so I'm hoping to
> elicit some insider advice.
>
> The AHH will not be my only bike.  I already have a Bilenky porteur
> (650B) that I will use for grocery runs and heavy loads.  I have a
> beater for locking up outside late at night.  I want the AHH to be
> zippier, more suited to a faster pace and longer rides.  I have a set
> of Acorn bags (large saddlebag and boxy rando bag) that I plan to use
> as part of the build, and I'm hopeful that those bags will be enough
> for daily use, perhaps augmented with a backpack on days when I need
> extra capacity.  I'm also considering a rear rack with panniers.  I
> have a set of orange Ortliebs which are great at keeping things dry
> and for visibility, but lose points in the attractiveness category, I
> think.
>
> I have been using albatross-style bars almost exclusively for the past
> five or six years.  But I'm thinking it makes sense to go with drops
> on the AHH for the increased riding positions.
>
> I'm 6'3", 175lbs, in case that matters.
>
> Questions I have:
> - What about the rain?  Obviously fenders are a must, but I'm
> interested in other suggestions from people living in rainy climates.
> Are there certain components you'd recommend or not recommend?  I'm
> also very interested in tire suggestions -- my current favorite tires
> are Hetres but it's been awhile since I've bought a quality 700c tire
> and I'm not sure what people like for rainy, hilly areas.
>
> - Hills.  I know this might sound silly, but I haven't had to think
> much about gearing, living on flat ground.  I always have enough gears
> and I can usually get by with just one if need be.  How do I know if I
> want a compact double or a triple?
>
> - Saddles: I've been riding mostly Brooks for years, and I carry a
> rainproof saddle cover with me.  Should I consider some non-leather
> alternatives, though?
>
> Thanks.  This will be my first Riv!
>
> --
> Matthew Snyder
> Ann Arbor, MI

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[RBW] Re: Protovelo back to CdlVs

[Mike]

I can't imagine touring on Albatross bars. As much as l like mine,
anything over 30 miles and my hands/wrist start to bother me. I also
don't like the way they position me on the bike for descents. And with
a loaded bike they seems exceptionally flexy when standing up.
Obviously there are a lot of variables that contribute to this
experience and my experience with the Albatross bars might not be the
same as yours. That said, how about using the Nitto "flat" bar with
Ergon grips and bar ends? My friend Dylan swears by that set-up for
touring. I realize it's not very Riv-ish but it does seem practical.

I'm using 48cm Noodles on my LHT and they're great. Fantastic. I
understand though that with the long TT on your Riv drop bars might be
out.

My friend was using the Soma 650b tires and was plagued with flats and
has since switched to the Schwalbe 650bx37 that Riv sells and has had
no problems.

Post pictures of your final set-up.

I just finished a stretch of work days and have 3 days off. After days
of sunshine I woke up to rain. Still, I'm hoping to head out for a 2
night trip. We'll see...

--mike

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[RBW] Sturmey Archer Cassette Hub?

[scott]

Anyone seen one of these? For that matter, does anyone use a drum
break?

http://www.sturmey-archer.com/products/hubs/cid/1/id/54

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[RBW] Re: Bicycle Lingering

[Steve D.]

I like that philosophy!

On Jul 11, 9:11 am, dougP  wrote:
> My touring buds & I decided that if our average speed drifts up to a
> double digit figure, it's time to stop for coffee.
>
> dougP
>
> On Jul 11, 5:27 am, Pondero  wrote:> Exactly.  Not all 
> my rides are like this, but several are.  Instead of
> > logging my "rides" by miles, I log hours.  If I ride 45 minutes out to
> > a pleasant spot, linger for 30 minutes brewing and sipping coffee, and
> > ride 45 minutes back, I log 2 hours.  On that day, I can't think of a
> > better way to spend my time.  I log it with pride.  I buddy and I have
> > a pretty good 3 hour sunrise watching expedition in our quiver.

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[RBW] Re: 2TT gaining traction?

[Justin August]

Double TT have long been used on work bikes. That's where GP got it
from, I believe. He even went over this recently.

On Jul 12, 9:20 am, Allan in Portland  wrote:
> Just spied another bike maker following Grant's lead with the 
> 2TT:http://bikeportland.org/2011/07/11/walmart-goes-dutch-with-hollandia-...
>
> I wonder, structural or aesthetic?
>
> -Allan

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[RBW] Re: 2TT gaining traction?

[Montclair BobbyB]

I read some awful reviews of this bike, called the Hollandia (imported
from China by Cycle Force of Iowa).  These look like they may be made
in the same factory that makes the (declining) Flying Pidgeon, but
that's just a wild guess.  The funny thing about the article that
contained the scathing review; the author thinks that this move by
Walmart may actually help bicycling in the US, by shifting away from
the sprung mountain bike crap that's been steadily adding to the
growing pile of rusty discarded bikes in the US to the next generation
of junky bike that (once all the crappy plastic pieces fail and break
off) might actually stand up to long term abuse.  (So there may be a
pecking order in the world of junky bikes??... fascinating...)

I recall fondly on one of my first rides (on my 2TT Bombadil), someone
asking me "Hey, isn't that a Flying Pidgeon?"... I chuckled, but then
replied with a straight face: "Why yes... yes it is"

BB


On Jul 12, 10:34 am, Justin August  wrote:
> Double TT have long been used on work bikes. That's where GP got it
> from, I believe. He even went over this recently.
>
> On Jul 12, 9:20 am, Allan in Portland  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Just spied another bike maker following Grant's lead with the 
> > 2TT:http://bikeportland.org/2011/07/11/walmart-goes-dutch-with-hollandia-...
>
> > I wonder, structural or aesthetic?
>
> > -Allan- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: shipping costs

[George Schick]

Eric sez "...I've always had better luck taking my bikes directly to
the UPS shipping facility (not the storefront locations) when I ship
them..."

Is this still possible?  I notice that when you look up UPS facilities
on their web site the main shipping locations aren't even listed.  I
know where they are around these parts, but I've never tried to take
packages to one of them in recent years.  Used to be back in the old
days that the shipping locations were the ONLY place where you could
directly take packages.  Everything else was scheduled pickup &
delivery from/to your business site by one of their trucks.  Nowadays
I'm not so sure.  Seems like they're trying to push walk-in business
away from the shipping (dispatch) locations out to the storefronts.


On Jul 12, 12:33 am, Eric Norris  wrote:
> I've always had better luck taking my bikes directly to the UPS shipping 
> facility (not the storefront locations) when I ship them.  The last time I 
> shipped a bike it was a little over $40, but much less than $160.  The 
> storefront locations usually want to charge two to three times the amount I 
> pay at the shipping facility.
>
> --Eric
> campyonly...@me.comwww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.org
>
> On Jul 11, 2011, at 1:22 PM, CCX wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hey Rivsters-
>
> > How are you all shipping bikes (conus)?  I just looked up prices on
> > UPS and FedEX and they were both in the range of 160 bucks.  Geeze
> > where have I been over the years, the last time I shipped a bike it
> > cost 40.00 buck.
>
> > jc
>
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[RBW] Re: Sturmey Archer Cassette Hub?

[Montclair BobbyB]

Scott:

I've had great success with these hubs (so far)... I've built up
several sets of SA drum hub wheels (8 and 3 speed rear; dynamo front),
and I REALLY like these hubs... They are relatively inexpensive, and
the (drum) braking is outstanding.   I'd expect the cassette drum hub
to be no different.  I just ordered another set of 3 speed and dynamo
drum hubs for my second Gazelle restoration (the first was highly
successful, and the new owner absolutely loves the bike).

I'd give these hubs a big two thumbs up for outstanding value!

BB

On Jul 12, 9:57 am, scott  wrote:
> Anyone seen one of these? For that matter, does anyone use a drum
> break?
>
> http://www.sturmey-archer.com/products/hubs/cid/1/id/54

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[RBW] Re: Berthoud rack

[Montclair BobbyB]

I had the pleasure of seeing this bike in person (and riding it
briefly) at Riv Rally East (thanks, Steve).  It is without question
one of the finest rides I've ever laid eyes on ... truly... Whoever
scores this bike will not be disappointed... it's special.

BB

On Jul 12, 6:54 am, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-07-11 at 09:35 -0700, Eric wrote:
> > curious about your front rack.
>
> > I have this difficulty mounting my headlight securly from my Mark's
> > Rack...the Berthoud rack w/ light mount looks great. I might have to
> > throw down for one!
>
> > Just curious if you know the dimensions, I'd like to know if it'd fit
> > my small Sackville loafer bag.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/stronglight/sets/72157604219245046/
> "Rack top measures 190 mm. front to rear. 110 mm. wide."

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Re: [RBW] Re: shipping costs

[James Warren]

I've recently picked up packages right at the closest shipping location to me. 
I called ahead to arrange it when it was too difficult to catch the truck at my 
house. I've never tried sending from the shipping location.


On Jul 12, 2011, at 8:09 AM, George Schick wrote:

> Eric sez "...I've always had better luck taking my bikes directly to
> the UPS shipping facility (not the storefront locations) when I ship
> them..."
> 
> Is this still possible?  I notice that when you look up UPS facilities
> on their web site the main shipping locations aren't even listed.  I
> know where they are around these parts, but I've never tried to take
> packages to one of them in recent years.  Used to be back in the old
> days that the shipping locations were the ONLY place where you could
> directly take packages.  Everything else was scheduled pickup &
> delivery from/to your business site by one of their trucks.  Nowadays
> I'm not so sure.  Seems like they're trying to push walk-in business
> away from the shipping (dispatch) locations out to the storefronts.
> 
> 
> On Jul 12, 12:33 am, Eric Norris  wrote:
>> I've always had better luck taking my bikes directly to the UPS shipping 
>> facility (not the storefront locations) when I ship them.  The last time I 
>> shipped a bike it was a little over $40, but much less than $160.  The 
>> storefront locations usually want to charge two to three times the amount I 
>> pay at the shipping facility.
>> 
>> --Eric
>> campyonly...@me.comwww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.org
>> 
>> On Jul 11, 2011, at 1:22 PM, CCX wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Hey Rivsters-
>> 
>>> How are you all shipping bikes (conus)?  I just looked up prices on
>>> UPS and FedEX and they were both in the range of 160 bucks.  Geeze
>>> where have I been over the years, the last time I shipped a bike it
>>> cost 40.00 buck.
>> 
>>> jc
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[RBW] WTB: 650B wheelset with butted spokes

[Earl Grey]

Hi,

I am looking for a relatively inexpensive 650B wheelset with Shimano
compatible hubs (105, Deore LX, etc.), with butted spokes (preferably
32, but 36 is okay, too). Used but in good condition is fine. Silver
preferred.

Cheers,

Gernot

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Re: [RBW] Re: shipping costs

[Eric Norris]

There's a UPS shipping facility near here in West Sacramento. I was there not 
too long ago to ship a large package.

Yes, they're trying to push business to the storefronts, but the actual UPS 
facilities are still your best bet.

I'm going to be driving through West Sac today--I'll see if that facility is 
still open.

--Eric N
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On Jul 12, 2011, at 8:09 AM, George Schick  wrote:

> Eric sez "...I've always had better luck taking my bikes directly to
> the UPS shipping facility (not the storefront locations) when I ship
> them..."
> 
> Is this still possible?  I notice that when you look up UPS facilities
> on their web site the main shipping locations aren't even listed.  I
> know where they are around these parts, but I've never tried to take
> packages to one of them in recent years.  Used to be back in the old
> days that the shipping locations were the ONLY place where you could
> directly take packages.  Everything else was scheduled pickup &
> delivery from/to your business site by one of their trucks.  Nowadays
> I'm not so sure.  Seems like they're trying to push walk-in business
> away from the shipping (dispatch) locations out to the storefronts.
> 
> 
> On Jul 12, 12:33 am, Eric Norris  wrote:
>> I've always had better luck taking my bikes directly to the UPS shipping 
>> facility (not the storefront locations) when I ship them.  The last time I 
>> shipped a bike it was a little over $40, but much less than $160.  The 
>> storefront locations usually want to charge two to three times the amount I 
>> pay at the shipping facility.
>> 
>> --Eric
>> campyonly...@me.comwww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.org
>> 
>> On Jul 11, 2011, at 1:22 PM, CCX wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Hey Rivsters-
>> 
>>> How are you all shipping bikes (conus)?  I just looked up prices on
>>> UPS and FedEX and they were both in the range of 160 bucks.  Geeze
>>> where have I been over the years, the last time I shipped a bike it
>>> cost 40.00 buck.
>> 
>>> jc
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[RBW] Rivs on the Great Divide Trail

[Anne Paulson]

All this talk about double top tubes, lateral stiffeners and other
ways to make a frame strong reminded me once again about Adventure
Cycling's Great Divide Trail from Banff to the Mexican border. I've
long thought it sounded like fun, but I don't have a bike with a
suspension. I once did the first ten or fifteen miles of the trail,
out of Banff, on a rented mountain bike, and it seemed pretty
technical; I remember in particular a steep twisty climb on
"babyheads," that is, rocks the size of a baby's head. But now having
read the full description and a bunch of Crazyguy journals, I find
that the Banff section is not at all representative. There's a bit of
singletrack, but most of the route is on dirt roads, which I love to
ride on.

I see also that no one seems to complain about their frame. Trailers
break, spokes break, wheels fail, but frames don't get mentioned.

So, who here has ridden the Great Divide? What bike did you use? What
tires? How did it work out?

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[RBW] Looking for a Bridgestone MB

[Johnny Alien]

Hey guys!  I am in need of a good but affordable trail bike.  I am looking 
for a decent Bridgestone MB.  Preferable not a 0 or 1 as I am on a budget 
but a 2 or 3 would be fantastic.  I am not too picky but 90's era would be 
most preferable but again doesn't matter.  Most of the ebay stuff is 
overpriced BIN's these days and I would prefer to find something here is 
possible.  Fee free to shoot me an email at johnnyalien at verizon.net

Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Looking for a Bridgestone MB

[Johnny Alien]

Shoot.  I forgot to mention that i would need a medium size around 46-49 
region.

An XO would be nice too but budget wise those are probably out of my reach 
right now.

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[RBW] Re: Largest tires in a Sam

[William]

IRC Fire XC slick which measure a true 42 at the knobs have plenty of room 
on my Maxway Single TT Hillborne.  Marathon XRs that measure a true 49 are a 
hair too big up front. 

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[RBW] Re: Largest tires in a Sam

[William]

I meant Mythos xc slick.  But 42mm is correct. 

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[RBW] Re: Protovelo back to CdlVs

[Esteban]

I may try the B-lines down the line. BUt I have a few spare CdlVs, and
to be honest, I've always found them passable on a bike like this.

I have Pari-motos on the Velo Cult
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/5760172509/in/set-72157626696269995

and they're fantastic for fast stuff, but I wouldn't tour on them.
I'll post a photo when I have this bike fully loaded for a dry run
around the neighborhood.

On Jul 12, 6:48 am, Mike  wrote:
> I can't imagine touring on Albatross bars. As much as l like mine,
> anything over 30 miles and my hands/wrist start to bother me. I also
> don't like the way they position me on the bike for descents. And with
> a loaded bike they seems exceptionally flexy when standing up.
> Obviously there are a lot of variables that contribute to this
> experience and my experience with the Albatross bars might not be the
> same as yours. That said, how about using the Nitto "flat" bar with
> Ergon grips and bar ends? My friend Dylan swears by that set-up for
> touring. I realize it's not very Riv-ish but it does seem practical.
>
> I'm using 48cm Noodles on my LHT and they're great. Fantastic. I
> understand though that with the long TT on your Riv drop bars might be
> out.
>
> My friend was using the Soma 650b tires and was plagued with flats and
> has since switched to the Schwalbe 650bx37 that Riv sells and has had
> no problems.
>
> Post pictures of your final set-up.
>
> I just finished a stretch of work days and have 3 days off. After days
> of sunshine I woke up to rain. Still, I'm hoping to head out for a 2
> night trip. We'll see...
>
> --mike

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[RBW] Re: shipping costs

[stevep33]

It varies.  Packing and shipping usually costs about $125 at my LBS,
and I think about half of that is the (UPS) shipping cost.  For a nice
Riv, it may be worth having a trusted bike shop pack it up for you
with bike-appropriate packing materials.



On Jul 12, 11:59 am, Eric Norris  wrote:
> There's a UPS shipping facility near here in West Sacramento. I was there not 
> too long ago to ship a large package.
>
> Yes, they're trying to push business to the storefronts, but the actual UPS 
> facilities are still your best bet.
>
> I'm going to be driving through West Sac today--I'll see if that facility is 
> still open.
>
> --Eric N
> Sent from the iPad 2
>
> On Jul 12, 2011, at 8:09 AM, George Schick  wrote:
>
> > Eric sez "...I've always had better luck taking my bikes directly to
> > the UPS shipping facility (not the storefront locations) when I ship
> > them..."
>
> > Is this still possible?  I notice that when you look up UPS facilities
> > on their web site the main shipping locations aren't even listed.  I
> > know where they are around these parts, but I've never tried to take
> > packages to one of them in recent years.  Used to be back in the old
> > days that the shipping locations were the ONLY place where you could
> > directly take packages.  Everything else was scheduled pickup &
> > delivery from/to your business site by one of their trucks.  Nowadays
> > I'm not so sure.  Seems like they're trying to push walk-in business
> > away from the shipping (dispatch) locations out to the storefronts.
>
> > On Jul 12, 12:33 am, Eric Norris  wrote:
> >> I've always had better luck taking my bikes directly to the UPS shipping 
> >> facility (not the storefront locations) when I ship them.  The last time I 
> >> shipped a bike it was a little over $40, but much less than $160.  The 
> >> storefront locations usually want to charge two to three times the amount 
> >> I pay at the shipping facility.
>
> >> --Eric
> >> campyonly...@me.comwww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.org
>
> >> On Jul 11, 2011, at 1:22 PM, CCX wrote:
>
> >>> Hey Rivsters-
>
> >>> How are you all shipping bikes (conus)?  I just looked up prices on
> >>> UPS and FedEX and they were both in the range of 160 bucks.  Geeze
> >>> where have I been over the years, the last time I shipped a bike it
> >>> cost 40.00 buck.
>
> >>> jc
>
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[RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide Trail

[Michael_S]

I haven't tried it yet but I've spoken with a few people who have ridden the 
GD. The go-to tire is the WTB Nano Rapter 29er.
 
Also plenty of people ride the whole thing on rigid bikes as well as full 
suspension models.  My plan is to ride a steel hardtail 29er with a short 
travel fork w/ lockout when I ride part of it next year.  That is the 
concensus "best" bike from most GD riders. But if you have something else, 
just do it.
 
~mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide Trail

[Anne Paulson]

On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Michael_S  wrote:
> I haven't tried it yet but I've spoken with a few people who have ridden the
> GD. The go-to tire is the WTB Nano Rapter 29er.

What if you ride a bike with 26" wheels? Like, for example, a
Rivendell Atlantis?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide Trail

[Michael_S]

The Schwalbe Marthon Extreme comes in a 26 x 2.0 inch version.  It would be 
a good tire for a trip like this  as it rolls pretty well on pavement and 
does
great on dirt.  I would stick with something around 2.0 inches wide for that 
much dirt riding. There are some pretty rugged sections in the northern half 
I've been told. It's certainly very doable on an Atlantis, Hunqua or 
Bombadil. 
 
~mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: shipping costs

[Steve Palincsar]

On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 10:54 -0700, stevep33 wrote:
> It varies.  Packing and shipping usually costs about $125 at my LBS,
> and I think about half of that is the (UPS) shipping cost.  For a nice
> Riv, it may be worth having a trusted bike shop pack it up for you
> with bike-appropriate packing materials.

Lucky you to have a LBS that will ship as well as pack.  Mine won't.
Packing a bike costs $65.  I'll find out later today what shipping will
cost.



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[RBW] Re: shipping costs

[Michael_S]

I've shipped many bikes and frames. Fedex Ground is the cheapest I've 
found.  From the West coast to East coast cost me about $65-70 for a full 
bike, maybe $50 for a frame if you can get the box dimensions down by 
cutting and taping.   I've also shipped framesets cheaply via USPS if you 
cut box down to their size limit.
 
I tried UPS once, too much $$.  Businesses like bike shops must get better 
UPS rates than individuals.   Also I pack my own bikes. 
 
~mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: shipping costs

[Steve Palincsar]

On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 14:13 -0400, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 10:54 -0700, stevep33 wrote:
> > It varies.  Packing and shipping usually costs about $125 at my LBS,
> > and I think about half of that is the (UPS) shipping cost.  For a nice
> > Riv, it may be worth having a trusted bike shop pack it up for you
> > with bike-appropriate packing materials.
> 
> Lucky you to have a LBS that will ship as well as pack.  Mine won't.
> Packing a bike costs $65.  I'll find out later today what shipping will
> cost.

It is now "later."  FedEx wants $52 to ship a bike box to Ohio.  UPS
wants $72 for the same package to the same address.



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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 60 cm Saluki

[Steve Hemmelgarn]

Dick,

I saw this also. Isn't a Protovelo a prototype? So this must have been a 
prototype Saluki before they were marketing them. Why would you want this when 
you already have a Bleriot?

Oh I know. The correct number of bikes is N + 1 and you are currently at N.

steve





From: Dick Denning 
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, July 11, 2011 9:49:17 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: FS: 60 cm Saluki

Steve: 

I'd like to buy your 60 Saluki.I have a 59 Bleriot, but I have always wanted a 
Saluki and yours looks like a great one.  

I especially like the front rack with the light attachment.  I like the green 
color as well.  



Let me know. 


Also, just curious as to why are you selling it? 

Thanks so much, 

Dick Denning, 
Celina, Ohio.   

 
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[RBW] Re: Sturmey Archer Cassette Hub?

[Adam Killian]

I have a Cross-Check setup with Sturmey-Archer Drums front and back (the 
90mm XL versions).I'd say the brakes work about as well as anything 
else, but I haven't tried them on any really long, really steep roads (can't 
climb up them anyway with the 5-speed hub).

They make cable routing a little more tricky, but they sure do look cool.

I have some pictures of the bike here: 
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[RBW] Re: Largest tires in a Sam

[Philip Williamson]

Can you get this tire?
My cursory research says "out of stock / discontinued" and "41mm
actual width" (so it would fit my Quickbeam, with no fenders).

 Philip

On Jul 12, 6:28 am, EricP  wrote:
> It should.  Jim Thill at Hiawatha Cyclery set up an orange Sam
> Hillborne with those tires.  Good clearance from what I remember.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
> On Jul 11, 6:49 pm, MTR  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I'm wondering if Panracer firecross 45c tires will fit in my 2tt
> > waterford sam hilborne?
> > Thanks guys

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sturmey Archer Cassette Hub?

[Eric Norris]

I rode from Santa Rosa to Seattle on a Pashley Guvnor equipped with Sturmey 
Archer drums brakes F/R. Our route included some long mountain descents, and I 
never had a problem with the brakes. Even on 10-15 mile-long descents, they 
worked perfectly.

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On Jul 12, 2011, at 12:57 PM, Adam Killian  wrote:

> I have a Cross-Check setup with Sturmey-Archer Drums front and back (the 90mm 
> XL versions).I'd say the brakes work about as well as anything else, but 
> I haven't tried them on any really long, really steep roads (can't climb up 
> them anyway with the 5-speed hub).
> 
> They make cable routing a little more tricky, but they sure do look cool.
> 
> I have some pictures of the bike here: 
> https://picasaweb.google.com/BoniusRex/CrossCheck
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sturmey Archer Cassette Hub?

[Eric Norris]

P.S. Here's the bike: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176895@N03/3720037229/in/set-72157621444115064

Yes, it's a singlespeed.

--Eric N
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On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Eric Norris  wrote:

> I rode from Santa Rosa to Seattle on a Pashley Guvnor equipped with Sturmey 
> Archer drums brakes F/R. Our route included some long mountain descents, and 
> I never had a problem with the brakes. Even on 10-15 mile-long descents, they 
> worked perfectly.
> 
> --Eric N
> Sent from the iPad 2
> 
> On Jul 12, 2011, at 12:57 PM, Adam Killian  wrote:
> 
>> I have a Cross-Check setup with Sturmey-Archer Drums front and back (the 
>> 90mm XL versions).I'd say the brakes work about as well as anything 
>> else, but I haven't tried them on any really long, really steep roads (can't 
>> climb up them anyway with the 5-speed hub).
>> 
>> They make cable routing a little more tricky, but they sure do look cool.
>> 
>> I have some pictures of the bike here: 
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/BoniusRex/CrossCheck
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[RBW] Re: Protovelo back to CdlVs

[William]

The Soma New Express is also excellent in my experience, and ought to be 
more puncture resistant than the B-line.  The extra discomfort due to the 
reduction in casing 'suppleness' is not significant to me.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sturmey Archer Cassette Hub?

[William]

I like the next shot in the series where you pull the plow:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176895@N03/3720849936/in/set-72157621444115064/


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[RBW] Re: Sturmey Archer Cassette Hub?

[scott]

Adam,
   That CX looks great! And that brooks A tractor saddle.

  Eric,
 You are my hero for riding that thing that far. Nicely done sir.
   Scott

On Jul 12, 3:37 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
> P.S. Here's the 
> bike:http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176895@N03/3720037229/in/set-721576214...
>
> Yes, it's a singlespeed.
>
> --Eric N
> Sent from the iPad 2
>
> On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Eric Norris  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I rode from Santa Rosa to Seattle on a Pashley Guvnor equipped with Sturmey 
> > Archer drums brakes F/R. Our route included some long mountain descents, 
> > and I never had a problem with the brakes. Even on 10-15 mile-long 
> > descents, they worked perfectly.
>
> > --Eric N
> > Sent from the iPad 2
>
> > On Jul 12, 2011, at 12:57 PM, Adam Killian  wrote:
>
> >> I have a Cross-Check setup with Sturmey-Archer Drums front and back (the 
> >> 90mm XL versions).    I'd say the brakes work about as well as anything 
> >> else, but I haven't tried them on any really long, really steep roads 
> >> (can't climb up them anyway with the 5-speed hub).
>
> >> They make cable routing a little more tricky, but they sure do look cool.
>
> >> I have some pictures of the bike 
> >> here:https://picasaweb.google.com/BoniusRex/CrossCheck
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sturmey Archer Cassette Hub?

[Eric Norris]

I definitely felt that way.  "Nigel," my Guvnor, weighs in at about 35 pounds, 
so he was a bit of a load to push all the way to Seattle. Great memories, 
though.

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> I like the next shot in the series where you pull the plow:
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176895@N03/3720849936/in/set-72157621444115064/
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[RBW] Re: Freewheel hypothetical

[William]

So there is no dominant consensus among this group.  5, 6 and 7 would all be 
welcomed, it seems.  12-14 on the small end up to 26-30 on the large end. 
 That's over a dozen different models already, most likely.

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Re: [RBW] Re: shipping costs

[cyclotourist]

I think one of the tricks is to ship to a business address.  So if you can
get it shipped to your work or some "business" there is a discount.  UPS and
FedEx are like that.  I like Fed Ex a bit more and they seem to be cheaper,
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[RBW] Re: Freewheel hypothetical

[rperks]

that is the biggest problem with trying to please everybody.

Example:
I have been happily using 14-28 5 and 6 speed freewheels for a few
years now, then recent failures led back down the garden path of
vintage.  I had found a 14-16-19-22-26-30 in a pile of junk at out
local swap meet, it had been sitting in my parts bin for a while, and
thought the spacing and range was a bit wacky.  have had it on the
Roadeo for over a month now with my 50-30 up front and it is a dream
come true.  The jumps are pretty big, but the middle 4 gears are just
perfect.  was able to track down another to keep in reserve, and the
average price between the two works out to almost be reasonable.

Rob
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On Jul 12, 1:54 pm, William  wrote:
> So there is no dominant consensus among this group.  5, 6 and 7 would all be
> welcomed, it seems.  12-14 on the small end up to 26-30 on the large end.
>  That's over a dozen different models already, most likely.    

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[RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide Trail

[Christian]

I rode the Montana section in 1998 (on a 1996 Voodoo Erzulie with a
front shock) and have talked with others about the more southern
part.  Based on my experience in MT I'd do it rigid with as fat tires
as I could fit.  It was almost entirely dirt roads with some single
track.  As per my post last week, I'd like to do it again on a
Hunqapillar or Atlantis as I don't really want a suspended mountain
bike but do want a Hunqapillar or Atlantis.  I'd love to hear about
others' experiences.  I do remember reading somewhere about a guy
doing it on a Bruce Gordon Rock n Road.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide Trail

[Anne Paulson]

On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Christian
 wrote:
> I rode the Montana section in 1998 (on a 1996 Voodoo Erzulie with a
> front shock) and have talked with others about the more southern
> part.  Based on my experience in MT I'd do it rigid with as fat tires
> as I could fit.

Have you talked to anyone about the more northern section and how that
would go on a rigid bike?

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[RBW] Re: shipping costs

[dougP]

The "gotcha" when shipping a bike is the size of the box.  Both Fed Ex
& UPS have a dimension of 130" that's the trip wire into "oversize".
This is the girth of the box (tape all the way around the 2 shortest
dimensions) plus the length.  It is NOT the same way airlines
measure.  My 58 cm Atlantis just barely fits into such a box, and not
comfortably.  For reference, a bike box 8" wide by 29" tall x 56" long
is 130".  OK for a frame only or a 54 or smaller; snug for a 58 &
quite a challenge for anything over 60 cm.

I recently checked rates for an upcoming trip.  Shipping from the Left
Coast to the mid-west will bein the $70 range for 128" container.  A
couple of years ago I paid around $120 to ship from So Cal to Seattle
because the box was a couple of inches over the limit.  Caveat
emptor.

FWIW, weight rarely is a factor.

dougP

On Jul 12, 2:47 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> I think one of the tricks is to ship to a business address.  So if you can
> get it shipped to your work or some "business" there is a discount.  UPS and
> FedEx are like that.  I like Fed Ex a bit more and they seem to be cheaper,
> but YMMV
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Freewheel hypothetical

[PATRICK MOORE]

I've scored a stash of half a dozen 14-28 5 speeds (the Herse has a
Stronglight 99 with 42/32 rings on it and the 42/17 #2 cog is the
ideal cruising gear for the Herse at 67") and the rest is gravy. The
13-15-17-20-24-28 Ultra six on it now is even better since the 42/15
is a nice tailwind or "feelin' strong" gear at 76". I've also got
several "normal" sixes in the 13-28 or 30 range, plus two 14-34 5
speeds -- talk about wide jumps!

One day I may half-step the nice Stronglight 99 crank with a 46 outer,
but for now the 42/XX is fine (I have a 32 in the inner position but
have scored several 28s and a 30).

On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 5:09 PM, rperks  wrote:
> that is the biggest problem with trying to please everybody.
>
> Example:
> I have been happily using 14-28 5 and 6 speed freewheels for a few
> years now, then recent failures led back down the garden path of
> vintage.  I had found a 14-16-19-22-26-30 in a pile of junk at out
> local swap meet, it had been sitting in my parts bin for a while, and
> thought the spacing and range was a bit wacky.  have had it on the
> Roadeo for over a month now with my 50-30 up front and it is a dream
> come true.  The jumps are pretty big, but the middle 4 gears are just
> perfect.  was able to track down another to keep in reserve, and the
> average price between the two works out to almost be reasonable.
>
> Rob
> -
> http://oceanaircycles.com/
>
> On Jul 12, 1:54 pm, William  wrote:
>> So there is no dominant consensus among this group.  5, 6 and 7 would all be
>> welcomed, it seems.  12-14 on the small end up to 26-30 on the large end.
>>  That's over a dozen different models already, most likely.
>
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RE: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide Trail

[Larry Powers]

Kent Peterson road the Great Divide Race on a rigid single speed mountain bike 
in 2005.  To be fair I believe he has since done it on a geared rigid bike.

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> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:05:31 -0700
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide Trail
> From: anne.paul...@gmail.com
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> 
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Christian
>  wrote:
> > I rode the Montana section in 1998 (on a 1996 Voodoo Erzulie with a
> > front shock) and have talked with others about the more southern
> > part.  Based on my experience in MT I'd do it rigid with as fat tires
> > as I could fit.
> 
> Have you talked to anyone about the more northern section and how that
> would go on a rigid bike?
> 
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[RBW] Ride Report- Vanilla on Markleeville Death Ride

[reynoldslugs]

Quick notes: for course description, see www.deathride.com.  Bike was
unbelievably comfortable and stable.  On long rides - this one was 12
hours in the saddle - - I like to ride no-hands, so I can stretch and
give the back and arms a break.  I asked Sacha to build the bike to be
stable, easy to ride no-hands - - and he nailed it.  It's steady as a
rock, like driving a Rolls-Royce on a smooth road - - even with no
hands.  Absolutely stable.

Paul Racer M's - - phenomenal. Hard braking in tough turns on steep,
steep descents.
Selle AnAtomica - - happy for the boys.  I actually tightened it up
after two passes. Sorry, Brooks, but no more B-17's for me. Super
Comfy.
Fat tires - 33 mm Jack Browns supremely comfy and stable.

Out of 2800 riders - - most of whom said "on your left" to me as they
passed - - probably less than 1% were riding steel.  Lots of comments
on the Vanilla; a couple of comments on the hubs (White Industries);
two guys from Redding rode alongside and said "Hey! That's THAT
BIKE!"...nice fellas.

My riding buddies said that putting me on a Vanilla is like letting
Peter Lorre take Isabella Rosellini to the prom.  I ain't denyin'
that...

People say my pictures are repetitive, I ain't denyin' that either.  A
couple from Markleeville, day before the ride:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157627164949730/

The ugly stem is temporary til Sacha finishes the new one.  No one
noticed.

cheers

RL

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[RBW] Re: Protovelo back to CdlVs

[grrlyrida]

What was wrong with the cream grand bois? I thought they made your
bike cute. :)

On Jul 12, 10:53 am, Esteban  wrote:
> I may try the B-lines down the line. BUt I have a few spare CdlVs, and
> to be honest, I've always found them passable on a bike like this.
>
> I have Pari-motos on the Velo 
> Culthttp://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/5760172509/in/set-721576266...
>
> and they're fantastic for fast stuff, but I wouldn't tour on them.
> I'll post a photo when I have this bike fully loaded for a dry run
> around the neighborhood.
>
> On Jul 12, 6:48 am, Mike  wrote:
>
> > I can't imagine touring on Albatross bars. As much as l like mine,
> > anything over 30 miles and my hands/wrist start to bother me. I also
> > don't like the way they position me on the bike for descents. And with
> > a loaded bike they seems exceptionally flexy when standing up.
> > Obviously there are a lot of variables that contribute to this
> > experience and my experience with the Albatross bars might not be the
> > same as yours. That said, how about using the Nitto "flat" bar with
> > Ergon grips and bar ends? My friend Dylan swears by that set-up for
> > touring. I realize it's not very Riv-ish but it does seem practical.
>
> > I'm using 48cm Noodles on my LHT and they're great. Fantastic. I
> > understand though that with the long TT on your Riv drop bars might be
> > out.
>
> > My friend was using the Soma 650b tires and was plagued with flats and
> > has since switched to the Schwalbe 650bx37 that Riv sells and has had
> > no problems.
>
> > Post pictures of your final set-up.
>
> > I just finished a stretch of work days and have 3 days off. After days
> > of sunshine I woke up to rain. Still, I'm hoping to head out for a 2
> > night trip. We'll see...
>
> > --mike

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[RBW] Re: Freewheel hypothetical

[charlie]

After having 'SimpleOned it' I don't see the need for much above a mid
70's gear I am fine riding on various terrain with a mid 60's gear.
Hills can't be comfortably pedaled down much faster than about 35 mph
even in a 100+ inch gear and I usually coast just as fast if I tuck in
a little. Those old three speed 50,60,70 gear inch hubs seem well
though out. I think less gear ratios are fine as long as you have a
crawler for steep climbs.

On Jul 12, 6:08 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> I've scored a stash of half a dozen 14-28 5 speeds (the Herse has a
> Stronglight 99 with 42/32 rings on it and the 42/17 #2 cog is the
> ideal cruising gear for the Herse at 67") and the rest is gravy. The
> 13-15-17-20-24-28 Ultra six on it now is even better since the 42/15
> is a nice tailwind or "feelin' strong" gear at 76". I've also got
> several "normal" sixes in the 13-28 or 30 range, plus two 14-34 5
> speeds -- talk about wide jumps!
>
> One day I may half-step the nice Stronglight 99 crank with a 46 outer,
> but for now the 42/XX is fine (I have a 32 in the inner position but
> have scored several 28s and a 30).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 5:09 PM, rperks  wrote:
> > that is the biggest problem with trying to please everybody.
>
> > Example:
> > I have been happily using 14-28 5 and 6 speed freewheels for a few
> > years now, then recent failures led back down the garden path of
> > vintage.  I had found a 14-16-19-22-26-30 in a pile of junk at out
> > local swap meet, it had been sitting in my parts bin for a while, and
> > thought the spacing and range was a bit wacky.  have had it on the
> > Roadeo for over a month now with my 50-30 up front and it is a dream
> > come true.  The jumps are pretty big, but the middle 4 gears are just
> > perfect.  was able to track down another to keep in reserve, and the
> > average price between the two works out to almost be reasonable.
>
> > Rob
> > -
> >http://oceanaircycles.com/
>
> > On Jul 12, 1:54 pm, William  wrote:
> >> So there is no dominant consensus among this group.  5, 6 and 7 would all 
> >> be
> >> welcomed, it seems.  12-14 on the small end up to 26-30 on the large end.
> >>  That's over a dozen different models already, most likely.
>
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[RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide Trail

[Solomander]

One of the guys at Salsa Cycles rode a first generation Fargo on the Great 
Divide Trail.  The bike was a 29er with a rigid fork and drop bars.

Joel

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Re: [RBW] Re: Freewheel hypothetical

[PATRICK MOORE]

Tell me where I can find IGHs that will give me 50-60-and 70" gears
and I'll buy out the entire stock!

Here is what you get with an AW:

If your 70" gear is the middle or direct drive, your high will be a
useless 93", your low an excessively far away 53".

If your high is 70", your middle will be a granny 53" and your low a
relatively close 39".

Man, if I had hubs that gave me 50, 60 and 70" gears, or even better,
60, 70 and 80, I'd equip my entire fleet with them!

On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 8:44 PM, charlie  wrote:
 Those old three speed 50,60,70 gear inch hubs seem well
> though out. I think less gear ratios are fine as long as you have a
> crawler for steep climbs.
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide Trail

[Christian]

Hi Anne

I started about as far north as you could at the time--northern MT.
It was almost all gravel and dirt.  The route has now moved further
north and that might be rougher.  I'd check the Adventure Cycling
forums too.

Christian

On Jul 12, 8:05 pm, Anne Paulson  wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Christian
>
>  wrote:
> > I rode the Montana section in 1998 (on a 1996 Voodoo Erzulie with a
> > front shock) and have talked with others about the more southern
> > part.  Based on my experience in MT I'd do it rigid with as fat tires
> > as I could fit.
>
> Have you talked to anyone about the more northern section and how that
> would go on a rigid bike?
>
> --
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>
> My hovercraft is full of eels

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[RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide Trail

[Michael_S]

That was Joe Meiser. I met him at a showing of Ride the Divide.  Which is a 
great documentary film if you can see it.  
http://www.ridethedividemovie.com/
 
In fact the 1st two  finishers this year both rode rigid bikes. I'm sure 
someone had done this ride on 35mm tires.
 
~mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: Freewheel hypothetical

[Michael_S]

I guess I fall into the same window as most everyone. I like a 12 at the top 
end for long downhills in a 48 or 50t big ring and a 30 at the bottom for 
those long climbs at the end o' the day in the 24-28 granny.  I like to spin 
on the climbs so I'm a triple rider for life in my preferred mountainous 
terrain. With 3 rings up front I can always find a workable gear in the 
middle
 
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[RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide Trail

[Jim M.]

On Jul 12, 8:17 pm, Michael_S  wrote:
> In fact the 1st two  finishers this year both rode rigid bikes. I'm sure
> someone had done this ride on 35mm tires.
>
> ~mike


Yes, Deanna Adams on Ritchey 'cross tires:
http://www.xo-1.org/2009/06/deanna-adams-tackles-tour-divide.html .

Kent Peterson tried again last year on a SS. I'm sure he would have
made it but his hub blew up and he had to push 40 miles for help.

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[RBW] Re: new AHH, new city: Seattle build advice

[Rob]

Hey Matthew,

Congrats on the AHH! I live in Seattle, and ride a Saluki I bought just over 
a year ago--the 650b sister of the AHH. 

What gearing you'll need around here is of course really dependent on how 
strong you are. I'm old, fat and weak, so I want *very* low gears! :) My TA 
Cyclotouristeis
 a 26-36-46 triple, and I have a Harris Cyclery custom 13-34 cassette on 
the back. I find that suits me quite well, for everything from riding the 
STP to the daily commute carrying a laptop and more. I rarely use the big 
ring. I'd say 80% of my riding is in the middle ring, but I really 
appreciate the granny at times. I have a 300 foot climb back to my house at 
the end of the day. 

Winter days are short, and nights are long and dark--you'll want lights 
commuting both to and from work, so consider investing in a dynamo hub. I'm 
very happy with my Schmidt SON20--the small one--and 
eDeluxlight.
 Not having to think about batteries is sweet, and the light from the 
eDelux is actually useful to see by! (Not just for conspicuity.) 

I use Ortliebs that don't match my 
Saluki...
 
Can't wait 'till I can afford something else, but man, they are SO 
functional! Waterproof gear is a necessity. It does rain here--not the 
torrential rains of the Midwest, but more of a constant drizzle. I like my 
Rainy Pass jacket, and Rain Legs. Lightweight wool works really well. It 
doesn't get as cold here as it does in Ann Arbor, so you don't need the 
heavy stuff.

There are a host of really nice Riv folks here. We've had a 
couple
 Riv Rides 
over 
the last year. Be sure and let the list know when you arrive--we'll get 
something organized to welcome you!

Rob in Seattle

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Re: [RBW] new AHH, new city: Seattle build advice

[Brian Hanson]

Hi Matt - welcome to the NW!  I would suggest perusing the Cyclofiend pages
for lots of good ideas.  I echo some of Mike's advice, but I'd say the key
thing is long fenders if you're planning on riding much in the rainy
months.  Short fenders are fairly worthless when you're going through
puddles.  I have some shorter Planet Bikes on an old mtb commuter, and I got
really wet until I grew them some huge mudflaps that went nearly to the
ground.

I have honjos on my AHH, and they are perfect!  I also use a brooks B17 and
just keep a cover for when it really starts raining.  I generally park it
inside, so no worries about it sitting in the rain.

Here's some pics of variations I've done on this one:

Noodles, Acorns, and Pasela 35s
https://picasaweb.google.com/stonehog/KenmoreRide#5482535584482414002

Porteurs, Basket, and Jack Brown Blues
https://picasaweb.google.com/stonehog/HilsenAcorn#5451356875513857314

Rando Bars, and Gran Bois Cypres tires
https://picasaweb.google.com/stonehog/HilsenAcorn#5451356875513857314

I also have Albatross bars on another riv'd commute bike that shows the "too
short" fenders and extra mudflaps:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stonehog/5432332106/in/set-72157625889039111

As far as bags - the Acorns are great even in the rain - unless you're going
to be in full downpours for more than an hour, your stuff should stay fairly
dry inside.  I fit underclothes and an iPad in mine and leave my
pants/shirts at work.  I used to use an Ortlieb Office pannier, but stopped
after I used a Sackville Shopsack and the Acorns over the course of a rainy
winter with no discernible difference in keeping my stuff dry.  Now I just
think the ortlieb is heavy :)

As for tires - if you're looking for zippy - get the Cypres or Jack Brown
Greens - awesome stuff.  If you commute/ride over glass or other nasty road
debris regularly - get something with some protection.  I like the Schwalbe
stuff I've tried on my other bikes (Big Apples and Kojaks).

Bars are way too personal, but what I've found is that I like the porteur
and albatross style best for the commute.  The drops come in handy when
there's a lot of headwind, but that's up to you.  I am currently riding the
Rando bars, and giving them a shot.  OK so far, but definitely more
back/neck soreness than usual.

If you're not used to hills, just start with a triple.  That will get you up
anything.  Lots of folks here run compact doubles (currently on my AHH), and
there are a ton of fixed gears around, too.  You'll figure it out...

Brian
Seattle



On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Matthew Snyder  wrote:

> Hi RBW folks,
>
> I put down a deposit on a new AHH (63cm) and I'm looking for advice on
> how to build it up.  I'm relocating to Seattle after years of living
> in various places where the biggest hills are highway overpasses.  I'm
> looking to build a commuter that can also handle weekend trips,
> overnights, "light" touring, centuries... that sort of thing.  I see
> there are a few Seattle-area people on this list so I'm hoping to
> elicit some insider advice.
>
> The AHH will not be my only bike.  I already have a Bilenky porteur
> (650B) that I will use for grocery runs and heavy loads.  I have a
> beater for locking up outside late at night.  I want the AHH to be
> zippier, more suited to a faster pace and longer rides.  I have a set
> of Acorn bags (large saddlebag and boxy rando bag) that I plan to use
> as part of the build, and I'm hopeful that those bags will be enough
> for daily use, perhaps augmented with a backpack on days when I need
> extra capacity.  I'm also considering a rear rack with panniers.  I
> have a set of orange Ortliebs which are great at keeping things dry
> and for visibility, but lose points in the attractiveness category, I
> think.
>
> I have been using albatross-style bars almost exclusively for the past
> five or six years.  But I'm thinking it makes sense to go with drops
> on the AHH for the increased riding positions.
>
> I'm 6'3", 175lbs, in case that matters.
>
> Questions I have:
> - What about the rain?  Obviously fenders are a must, but I'm
> interested in other suggestions from people living in rainy climates.
> Are there certain components you'd recommend or not recommend?  I'm
> also very interested in tire suggestions -- my current favorite tires
> are Hetres but it's been awhile since I've bought a quality 700c tire
> and I'm not sure what people like for rainy, hilly areas.
>
> - Hills.  I know this might sound silly, but I haven't had to think
> much about gearing, living on flat ground.  I always have enough gears
> and I can usually get by with just one if need be.  How do I know if I
> want a compact double or a triple?
>
> - Saddles: I've been riding mostly Brooks for years, and I carry a
> rainproof saddle cover with me.  Should I consider some non-leather
> alternatives, though?
>
> Thanks.  This will be my first Riv!
>
> --
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide Trail

[cyclotourist]

Yes IIRC I believe he was on a Redline Monocog and it was his freewheel that
gave out on him?

On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 9:03 PM, Jim M.  wrote:


>
> Kent Peterson tried again last year on a SS. I'm sure he would have
> made it but his hub blew up and he had to push 40 miles for help.
>


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[RBW] Re: Freewheel hypothetical

[charlie]

I see what you mean.. maybe an 8 speed IGH would be better.
Actually the 39,53.70 is about what my SO has now or could have with
one more gear on the flip side so not so far off, at least for me.
Okay revisedapprox. 40,50,70 then ; )

On Jul 12, 7:54 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> Tell me where I can find IGHs that will give me 50-60-and 70" gears
> and I'll buy out the entire stock!
>
> Here is what you get with an AW:
>
> If your 70" gear is the middle or direct drive, your high will be a
> useless 93", your low an excessively far away 53".
>
> If your high is 70", your middle will be a granny 53" and your low a
> relatively close 39".
>
> Man, if I had hubs that gave me 50, 60 and 70" gears, or even better,
> 60, 70 and 80, I'd equip my entire fleet with them!
>
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 8:44 PM, charlie  wrote:
>
>  Those old three speed 50,60,70 gear inch hubs seem well
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > though out. I think less gear ratios are fine as long as you have a
> > crawler for steep climbs.

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[RBW] Solo s240- Mt Diablo

[Manuel Acosta]

While summer has been buzy. I've been itching to doing something
outside. Decided out the blue to pack up and head to Mt.Diablo for a
quick S240. Since most people I know actually have this thing called
"work", had to go solo. While I was around I stopped by the shop to
drop off and pick up a few things. Surprisingly it was Grant's
birthday and there was bbq at the shop. Beautifully BBQ bacon wrapped
trout, totally paleo btw. Dropped off a home-made hammock chair for
Grant and some facebook badges for Harry plus got to picked up some
great looking glasses.
Without any real destination I was hoping just to get lost somewhere
on Mt.Diablo. After a couple of hours of climbing/walking I pitched up
the hammock and went hiking around the area. Thats when the fog rolled
in. Apparently I didn't climb high enough and got caught in the night
fog for the whole night. Being to lazy I figured I'd be okay for the
night. I was quite wrong. Around 2 am drench by the dew, I had to find
shelter behind a rock for the rest of the night. Waking wet to the
bone is an interesting feeling. Lesson learn. Hammock is good only in
summerish weather. Still pretty good trip.

Pictures proved it happened:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157627058327753/

-Manny "hammocks are fun" Acosta

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[RBW] Re: Solo s240- Mt Diablo

[Manuel Acosta]

P.S.
On my way down from Mt.Diablo my rear derailuer broke and I had to
jury-rig it into a single speed to get back to the shop. Got it
replaced.

On Jul 12, 10:41 pm, Manuel Acosta 
wrote:
> While summer has been buzy. I've been itching to doing something
> outside. Decided out the blue to pack up and head to Mt.Diablo for a
> quick S240. Since most people I know actually have this thing called
> "work", had to go solo. While I was around I stopped by the shop to
> drop off and pick up a few things. Surprisingly it was Grant's
> birthday and there was bbq at the shop. Beautifully BBQ bacon wrapped
> trout, totally paleo btw. Dropped off a home-made hammock chair for
> Grant and some facebook badges for Harry plus got to picked up some
> great looking glasses.
> Without any real destination I was hoping just to get lost somewhere
> on Mt.Diablo. After a couple of hours of climbing/walking I pitched up
> the hammock and went hiking around the area. Thats when the fog rolled
> in. Apparently I didn't climb high enough and got caught in the night
> fog for the whole night. Being to lazy I figured I'd be okay for the
> night. I was quite wrong. Around 2 am drench by the dew, I had to find
> shelter behind a rock for the rest of the night. Waking wet to the
> bone is an interesting feeling. Lesson learn. Hammock is good only in
> summerish weather. Still pretty good trip.
>
> Pictures proved it 
> happened:http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157627058327753/
>
> -Manny "hammocks are fun" Acosta

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[RBW] Re: Freewheel hypothetical

[charlie]

Actually I just visited Sheldon Browns gear calculator and with a 40
tooth chain ring an 18 tooth sprocket and a SA wide ratio hub you
would get 45,60 and 80 inches using 700x35 tires. I'm not sure if this
is the correct ratio possible on the sprocket chain ring combo or if
one needs a particular ratio for it to work right but.I am
elder and corpulent so I have faith that the above would serve me
admirably whereas a younger fellow might find it a yawn and aspire to
a greater challenge of his vigor.



On Jul 12, 10:30 pm, charlie  wrote:
> I see what you mean.. maybe an 8 speed IGH would be better.
> Actually the 39,53.70 is about what my SO has now or could have with
> one more gear on the flip side so not so far off, at least for me.
> Okay revisedapprox. 40,50,70 then ; )
>
> On Jul 12, 7:54 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Tell me where I can find IGHs that will give me 50-60-and 70" gears
> > and I'll buy out the entire stock!
>
> > Here is what you get with an AW:
>
> > If your 70" gear is the middle or direct drive, your high will be a
> > useless 93", your low an excessively far away 53".
>
> > If your high is 70", your middle will be a granny 53" and your low a
> > relatively close 39".
>
> > Man, if I had hubs that gave me 50, 60 and 70" gears, or even better,
> > 60, 70 and 80, I'd equip my entire fleet with them!
>
> > On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 8:44 PM, charlie  wrote:
>
> >  Those old three speed 50,60,70 gear inch hubs seem well
>
> > > though out. I think less gear ratios are fine as long as you have a
> > > crawler for steep climbs.

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[RBW] Re: Sturmey Archer Cassette Hub?

[zybariver]

Eric Norris, thy name is stud.

Having driven that route, I cannot even imagine doing it on a 35lb
single speed.  I shall think of you the next time I begin to softly
whine going up Tolt Rd Hill on my 23lb bike in 34/28.

Greg

On Jul 12, 1:29 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
> I rode from Santa Rosa to Seattle on a Pashley Guvnor equipped with Sturmey 
> Archer drums brakes F/R. Our route included some long mountain descents, and 
> I never had a problem with the brakes. Even on 10-15 mile-long descents, they 
> worked perfectly.
>
> --Eric N
> Sent from the iPad 2
>
> On Jul 12, 2011, at 12:57 PM, Adam Killian  wrote:
>
> > I have a Cross-Check setup with Sturmey-Archer Drums front and back (the 
> > 90mm XL versions).    I'd say the brakes work about as well as anything 
> > else, but I haven't tried them on any really long, really steep roads 
> > (can't climb up them anyway with the 5-speed hub).
>
> > They make cable routing a little more tricky, but they sure do look cool.
>
> > I have some pictures of the bike 
> > here:https://picasaweb.google.com/BoniusRex/CrossCheck
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[RBW] Re: Protovelo back to CdlVs

[Geoff]

Gorgeous bike!  Love the black and cream color scheme!

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[RBW] Re: shipping costs

[Frank Brose]

I always use FedEx. 45-75 FRNs. depending where they are headed. Like
Cyclotourist stated a business address is always cheaper. Must be a
business brotherhood thing. I don't know.

On Jul 11, 3:22 pm, CCX  wrote:
> Hey Rivsters-
>
> How are you all shipping bikes (conus)?  I just looked up prices on
> UPS and FedEX and they were both in the range of 160 bucks.  Geeze
> where have I been over the years, the last time I shipped a bike it
> cost 40.00 buck.
>
> jc

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[RBW] Rivendell owners in Tampa Bay area

[Scotty]

As I wait for my bike I cant help but notice that I have never sever seen a 
Rivendell bike in person. I was wondering if any of the members here are in 
the Tampa area. I do know that the Country bike and Touring bike market is 
not very well represented at all in this area as most of the shops around 
here cater to the roadie. There is 1 small shop in Carrolwood that sells 
Surly but thats about the closest we have. I know there must be some kind of 
stealth underground Rivendell cult hiding somewhere around here. I am 
lighting up the bat signal. Come out come out wherever you are. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bicycle Lingering

[Rex Kerr]

I often carry a hammock in my bags for my day rides along with my lunch and
book -- I just wish that I had more time to dedicate to such rides.  I ride
for a while looking for a nice pair of trees in a clearing, though a lot of
this area has tall dry grass and rattlesnakes, so such spots aren't as
common as I'd like, and I do have a tendency, as others here have expressed,
to just keep on riding and riding.

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[RBW] Re: new AHH, new city: Seattle build advice

[Scott Post]

Welcome to Seattle Matthew!

> Questions I have:
> - What about the rain?  

You'll get used to the rain quickly, it's not too big of a deal.  I
used to run Col de la Vie's on my cSogn, but switched to Schwalbe
Marathons after too many flats (I commute through industrial Seattle
areas).  Both work well in the rain.  My wife has been enjoying Soma B-
Lines for commuting on her Betty Foy.

> - Hills.  I know this might sound silly, but I haven't had to think
> much about gearing, living on flat ground.  I always have enough gears
> and I can usually get by with just one if need be.  How do I know if I
> want a compact double or a triple?

The hills are like the rain - they're really not that big of a deal.
I use a triple (46X36X24), but about the only time I use the 24 is
when I'm camping with my family and pulling a trailer with a lot of
stuff).  I put a double on the Betty Foy (40X26) with an 8 cassette.
Wife initially was a bit worried, as she has a very hilly commute, but
it's been fantastic.  If I were to do the Rawland again, I would go
with the double.

> - Saddles: Should I consider some non-leather
> alternatives, though?

Brooks on both my Rawland and wife's Betty Foy (B17 & B68) - we both
commute year round, and with raincovers it's been totally fine
(however, I park mine in my office and she parks hers in front of her
classroom).

Again, welcome!  Hope your move goes well!
Scott "closest I've ever come to being right-hooked on ride in this
morning" Postlewait
Seattle WA

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[RBW] Re: new AHH, new city: Seattle build advice

[Seattle Smitty]

I live in a suburb of Seattle, am 6'3" w/ 93 PBH, and recently put a deposit 
on a 65 AHH. 

I ride fenders year round on my transportation bike but my single speed is 
fenderless. Plenty of bikes in both categories around here. I'm pretty sure 
there are a lot of people who seasonally fender their bike.  

No shortage of leather saddles in and around Seattle. Just cover it or don't 
leave the bike in the rain. 

My gearing is 26/40 w/ 9-speed cassette on my transportation bike... I can 
go up any hill in seattle with both my toddler age kids in tow and whatever 
kid crap the outing calls for (maybe 100lbs of kids+crap). My single speed 
is 42 X 16 and I walk the worst of the hills.

Welcome to the neighborhood!

-- Smitty


  




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Re: [RBW] shipping costs

[the ill postino]

New to the forum, so sorry if I'm posting widely-known (or incorrect!) info, 
but I believe if you're getting exorbitant price quotes you're probably 
getting hit with an oversize penalty.

In other words, the most important thing for shipping a bike is the size of 
the box, not weight. To avoid oversize penalty for Fedex (and I think UPS) 
the box's length plus "girth" has to be less than 130 inches. ("Girth" = the 
two smallest dimensions added together, doubled).

So for example a 58" x 27" x 11" box weighing 50 pounds has a total 
dimension of 134" and might cost around $120 conus (depending on specific 
locations of course).

But if the box was just slightly smaller at 56" x 26" x 11" (still weighing 
50 pounds) the total dimension would be 130" and shipping fedex ground could 
be around $60 insured (I think the days of $40 are gone with fuel costs what 
they are, but for short distances  you might get close, but probably not 
with insurance).

Getting a used box from a bike shop in which a "large" bike (say a 58cm+ 
road bike) was shipped is a good way to get a box that is as big as possible 
without going over.

I think you also get the best price if you open an on line account (free) 
and print the label at home (regular paper applied with clear packing tape 
is fine).  With a tape measure and a bathroom scale you can get all the info 
you need (round up a pound or two -- it will barely change the price -- but 
don't fudge the dimensions).  You can then drop the package off at any fedex 
or ups location without getting hit with the up charge from storefront 
locations, and without needing to travel to a shipping facility. 

The size issue means that in some instances it can be more economical to 
ship two boxes.  This all assumes of course that you do your own packing and 
are willing to do some disassembly.

-Nate

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Re: [RBW] Freewheel hypothetical

[Rex Kerr]

I really like the 34t bailout gear on the Shimano Megarange freewheels, and
somehow manage to get about 3000 - 4000 miles out of them, even though
people keep saying that modern freewheels are junk.
On Jul 11, 2011 2:54 PM, "William"  wrote:
> Some of us still run freewheels on a subset of our bikes. It's pretty much

> a unanimous opinion that today's production freewheels are not as good as
> they used to be. I see a lot of message board requests to companies urging

> them to step up and fill the void. In a perfect world, I wish the old
> cog-board 100% custom freewheel process could be resurrected, but I don't
> know if that is realistic.
>
> My hypothetical question is: If a manufacturer stepped up and offered
> exactly one model of multigear freewheel in exactly one size what would
you
> want it to be? Assume you can replace worn out cogs, but that in the first

> pass, there would be no cog options at all.
>
> For me, it would be for my 126mm rear-ended steel road-ish bikes, to work
> with a compact double, so I'd want to buy a 7-speed 12-28. If White
> Industries, for example, made this for <$200, but it was the quality of
> their Eno/Dos freewheels, I'd be interested.
>
> What would you want to buy?
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[RBW] A[ir] Homer is ready to fly!

[Rex Kerr]

Just finished...  11pm, just in time to ride it in to work tomorrow!!  Rode
it around the block a few times to make sure nothing was going to fall off
and brought it in under the harsh fluorescent lights to take some crappy
cell phone pictures which really don't do it justice!

Here's a sneak peak... I'll get some better pictures in some real light, in
its native habitat [outdoors!], and with a real camera soon:
https://picasaweb.google.com/rexkerr/AHomerHilsenBuild#5628354192412576706

More details on the build to come, but quickly:


Dia Compe non aero brake levers
"Silver" bar-end shifters
Yellow cotton tape, 4 coats of amber shellac, jute twine (I like the rougher
texture than hemp)
Nitto Dirt Drop Stem
Nashbar Moustache bars (I wanted the wider width)
Shimano LX r-der
MicroShift f-der
Sugino triple crankset
XT rear hub w/ CR18 rim
Shimano 3N80 dynohub w/ CR18 rim (wow, they're right, you really can't tell
it's there, on or off!!)
Jack Brown 33.3 tires (the tougher ones -- green, blue, I forget)
Velo Orange seatpost
Velo Orange Model 5 sprung touring saddle (ouch, it's HARD! [for now]  My
softer Brooks was bent in my recent crash, and two others are on other
bikes!)
Velo Orange rear rack (forget the name right now -- held in place by the
fender)
Velo Orange hammered al fenders (mounted to the rack -- if you look closely)
Velo Orange Brass Bell
Planet Bike Blaze Dyamo Light (brighter than I expected!)

I think that's it actually... from memory, I might have missed something.

My gf keeps saying that it doesn't look like an expensive bike (while
repeating how much I spent!!) and when it was finally built up her and her
son both said that it looks "old", like something from the 60s.  I wanted a
classic look, so I'm happy, but they expected something else [why, when my
old bike looked very similar, I don't know].  Her son said that he expected
an expensive bike to have "racing handlebars" and narrow tires... ugh...
whatever.

Oh, and apologies to Grant, but the flat "touring" pedals that I purchased
from Riv were on my beater bike to try them out with the Powergrips. :-)  I
need some "kneesaver" spacers as they're too close to the cranks for my size
14 feet.  My Frogs are special ordered extra long spindles for that reason.

-Rex

PS:  Why "Air" Homer?  I discovered after making the purchase that the
custom color code that I chose [Phantom Gray Metallic] was the color of
"Airwolf". :-)

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