Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18
Freedom. Choices. We have them - use them. I looked for a job that I could commute to, and I live in the city. I'm in a smaller house than I could get if I wanted to drive 30+ miles to work. I made this lifestyle decision because it's right for me, and I'm modeling a healthy biking lifestyle to my daughter. I would hate for her to be afraid to ride on the city streets, and feel like she has to get suckered into paying for the car lifestyle based on needless fear. I love bike commuting, but it's not for the weak of heart or mind. You have to take chances and enjoy the outdoor element and inherent danger of riding with cars around (don't be afraid of riding in the street - it's fun!) It is definitely greener than driving - no doubt. If you commute by bike, don't argue it's not green, sheesh. I have a truck, but put gas in it every other month. Someone else can support the oil barons because they have to be in climate control continuously. Inevitably, we will all find a better fuel through necessity, and the power structure will migrate. I hope some of us will still be riding lugged steel bikes. If you want to play biking as a "sport" or diet, that's great too, we all love bikes here, I hope. Brian Hanson Seattle On Jan 19, 2011, at 10:52 AM, Ray Shine wrote: > You're very right, Sean. My comment was to back-up Kelly regarding the > "green" benefits gained by many cyclists that are cancelled by the drive to > and from the event or ride. Of course I realize that cycling can often be > impractical and/or dangerous. Many times I have cycled from my home to the > home of a family member in a nearby city for a family function, and returned > home in the evening with my wife and with the bike in the back of the auto. > I wasn't riding there to be "green." I was just riding. I know that is how > most folks cycle. The number of folks who commute by bike (as I do) are a > small fraction of the nation's total number of cyclists. I see that more > because of the good fortune of my living and work situation as much as > anything I have done to establish that sort of commuting life style. And > then there are all of those folks with young children, such as my son's own > young families. I would be very anxious, if not irritated, if I were to hear > that one of my son's allowed one of my five grandchildren (range 2 thru 8) to > hop on there little bikes and go riding along a busy city street! I would > absolutely discourage that, and instead recommend that they transport the > family bikes by auto to the nearest bike path to do the rides. Of course I > would do that! Such activities aren't "green." They're just family outings; > plenty good enough in my book. > > From: Sean Whelan > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 9:53:13 AM > Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18 > > At least they are riding bikes and interested in bikes. While most of us on > this list use our bikes for everything from fast brevets to grocery runs and > commuting, that is not the case for everyone. There are numerous reasons why > someone might choose to rack a bike and drive it to an off-road spot and > ride. It may not be right for you and for me, and it might not be > environmentally defensible, but I'd much rather have them riding a bike after > a short drive, than just deciding to "go for a drive" up to Pt. Reyes or > something. > > When I first started riding again after many years off the bike, I was really > afraid to ride in traffic. I would drive my bike to a bike path and ride, > then drive home. I knew it was a bit ridiculous, but that is the place where > I was in terms of my comfort level, fitness level and confidence. Several > years later, I am more in line with the majority of folks here. I commute to > work as often as the weather and business commitments allow. I ride to run > errands in the neighborhood and I seem to only rack the bike on a car when a > group of us carpool to a century or other organized ride in the region. > > At least those folks are spending money at bike shops / on bike stuff. My > local bike shop doesn't carry many of the things that I want, but I email the > owner and he orders it in for me rather than having me just order it from > someone in the interwebs. It works for both of us, and he pays his mortgage > selling plenty of those fancy dual suspension mountain bikes. > > All biking is good biking in some way... > > Cheers, > Sean > > --- On Wed, 1/19/11, Ray Shine wrote: > > From: Ray Shine > Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18 > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 12:09 PM > > You hit the nail on the head, Kelly, and you are spot-on correct. I am > always amused and annoyed at the same time on my weekend rides into Marin > County from San Francisco. It's very common to see the full suspension MTB > folks dr
[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18
I would say that riding a bike for any reason, including "being green" is good and to be supported. I agree that saying biking is green is neither the best nor the easiest sell, but if that particular reasoning gets someone on a bike who can't imagine it being fun and liberating, they may soon enough notice that it IS fun and liberating, and likely will continue, now for reasons in addition to being green. In other words, get your friends, family, colleagues, neighbors and casual acquaintances riding any which way you can, even if it means playing the "green" card. To quote Ghandi as well: "Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it." That about sums it up for me. Ride your bike for whatever reason you choose, just ride it whenever you can. Gernot PS: I am not sure that Europe is better off for the US's immense military spending in this day and age, and its own military spending is not THAT far behind the US: US 4.3% of GDP, UK 2.5%, France 2.3%, Russia 3.5% Germany 1.3%, Italy 1.7% (there appear to be longterm advantages to losing a war or two). Interesting to note, too, that most of the countries with a higher military spending (as % of GDP) than the US are middle eastern OPEC countries. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures GH On Jan 20, 12:33 pm, SFF wrote: > Oh man, I can be a real drag on this subject - just ask my family and > all my ex-friends. > > I'm 90% bike and 10% car these days. That is hard for me to believe > but it has happened...not overnight but slowly over the past couple of > years. You can't jump to the absolute - you have to evolve to it over > time and that is what I've done. I see things differently now that I'm > an open air commuter not a windshield commuter. I don't claim to be > green or an environmentalist because I bike to work - maybe the term > could be environmental practitioner. I practice techniques that reduce > my burden on the electric grid, water table, landfill and roadway. > > But then I'm just one guy. I'm not making a dent - I know that. It > upsets me sometimes but I don't let it get me down. > > Different topic: > I'm reading "Empire of the Summer Moon" by S.C.Gwynne - about the rise > and fall of the Comanches and the wild ol west. Anyway, Sitting Bull > was a member of the Sioux tribe and his specific band was HUNKPAPA. > Strange, maybe thats where the name originated? > > Joel > (I don't know where my car keys are and don't really care...) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Question on Bar Ends
I don't have albatross bars, but I use and love barend shifters on all my bars, including Noodles, a Moustache, and a VO Porteur. Note that if you are planning on running 9 speed friction, the Silver shifters are definitely nicer than the Shimanos, which are harder to micro adjust. Gernot On Jan 20, 12:48 am, Mike Irwin wrote: > I'm in the planning process for a new steel steed. I'm planning on > going with the Hillborne and building it up to be a fine, upright > country cruiser. I have a set of Albatross bars that I think I'd like > to use and I have the leather Brooks grips. > > I'd like to know if anyone has experience w/ using bar ends with the > Brooks grips. The shifters will be from a Shimano 105 groupset. I > could always mount them in mountain bike fashion, but I thought the > bar ends would add a level of style and refinement fit for a proper > bicycle. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks in advance! > Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Yoga; was [RBW ]
Having never done Bikram (but having practiced various styles of yoga since 1996 including Ashtanga, Iyengar, Kripalu, and Anusara, and now teaching my own mixture for the past year and a half, I'd say try Bikram, but try some other styles as well. I can see Bikram being good if you are VERY inflexible, but it is a very repetitive style (you do the same 20 poses twice each class in the same sequence). If you are very flexible, I can see Bikram being potentially dangerous (you don't want to over-stretch your ligaments). In many other styles, each class can be quite different, one focusing on backbends, the next on synchronizing your movement with your breath, and the one after that on hip openers. Find a style you like, a teacher you like, and keep going. I am 43 now, and each year I have practiced yoga I have gotten stronger, more flexible, more focused, and have improved my posture. I can do things now I was never able to do when I was at my supposed peak physical condition in my 20s. And yoga is great for counteracting the hamstring tightness that results from biking and running. I'd have to say that aside from my wife, yoga has had the single most positive impact on my life, just ahead of biking. :) Gernot On Jan 19, 11:35 pm, Patrick in VT wrote: > On Jan 18, 7:00 pm, William Pustow wrote: > > > The bottom line isall yoga is good - just do it . . . > > i'd second that, even as one who doesn't practice yoga regularly and > is still a novice. for me yoga and cycling dovetail remarkably well > because yoga teaches one to breathe evenly, stay relaxed and stay > focused when the body is being stressed. my performance on the bike > during hard efforts increased noticeably when I introduced some yoga > into my fitness regimen - particularly, the ability to ride for longer > periods of time at, or above, lactate threshold. > > being mindful of my breathing has also made a real difference for me > off the bike. good stuff, and I look forward to practicing/learning > more about it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Do we need a Hillborne Flickr group?
Since even the SimpleOne has a group, how about a Hillborne group? If there is interest, I am happy to set it up. Cheers, Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Do we need a Hillborne Flickr group?
Wait! That would be... like... an excuse to take pictures of my bike!! Hey, color me orange and count me in! Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Jan 20, 3:44 am, Earl Grey wrote: > Since even the SimpleOne has a group, how about a Hillborne group? If > there is interest, I am happy to set it up. > > Cheers, > > Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Question on Bar Ends
Well, if you've already got the parts lying around, it'd be interesting to try to make that work. My guess, though, is that the cable housing emerging from the bar-end shifter will interfere with the grip's outboard retaining ring. When I asked RBW about whether I could use bar-end shifters with the woodies grips they used to sell, the answer was a straightforward "no" for a similar reason. Now, with some creative carving you *might* make it work. Looks iffy at best to me. I'm setting up some Albatross bars with the carved cork grips from RBW right now. Or, perhaps try the VO stitch-on leather grips? I'd love to hear how it works out. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Jan 19, 11:48 am, Mike Irwin wrote: > I'm in the planning process for a new steel steed. I'm planning on > going with the Hillborne and building it up to be a fine, upright > country cruiser. I have a set of Albatross bars that I think I'd like > to use and I have the leather Brooks grips. > > I'd like to know if anyone has experience w/ using bar ends with the > Brooks grips. The shifters will be from a Shimano 105 groupset. I > could always mount them in mountain bike fashion, but I thought the > bar ends would add a level of style and refinement fit for a proper > bicycle. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks in advance! > Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Do we need a Hillborne Flickr group?
I like the idea. The Hillborne's are sorta sparse on the cyclofiend pages... On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 4:44 AM, Earl Grey wrote: > Since even the SimpleOne has a group, how about a Hillborne group? If > there is interest, I am happy to set it up. > > Cheers, > > Gernot > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18
Problem is, a good size plant covers approx 7,000 acres. Everybody has a bitch when putting one up. I make my own electricity (36 p.v. panels, grid-tied), and heat my own hot water (2 glycol filled , roof-mounted panels), and the utility buys up what O over produce, but only to a point. If the credit gets too large it just gets cancelled out and the clocks reset. Nukes (for now) are the best answer. They have their issues, but are really the best solution for the next 30 years. On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:48 AM, William wrote: > "B) I concur w/ Robert Z, wind/solar can't handle the load until some > great extraordinary development in battery technology comes along. " > > Not so fast.concentrating solar thermal breaks that misconceived > limitation of solar. The sun heats up a reservoir of working fluid. > The hot working fluid runs a steam generator turbine just like a > combustion based power plant. In many cases the power plants > connected to solar thermal arrays are regular power plants that had > run on combustion. Those power plants run 24/7, even though the sun > is only up 10 hours a day. We need a lot of those plants to make a > big dent, but zero battery technology is needed to make that work. > They are approaching the magical "dollar a watt" price point for that > technology. When that happens, China tips to solar because then it's > cheaper than building more coal plants, and then everything > changes. > > On Jan 19, 7:52 pm, Leslie wrote: >> Oi! Lots of thoughts >> >> A) I applaud anyone who can commute via their Rivendell. >> Unfortunately for me, it's 40 mi from driveway to parking lot one >> way... I just can't commute by bike. I do carpool; so, four of us >> make the trip together, instead of each of us in four >> automobiles. (And whilst the obvious reply might be to either >> move to closer to work, or change to a job closer to home, neither of >> those ideas work: I don't want to live near where I work, and there's >> not as good of a job near home. Maybe one day, but, not at this >> time.) >> >> B) I concur w/ Robert Z, wind/solar can't handle the load until some >> great extraordinary development in battery technology comes along. >> However, I would like to make a comment along the lines of using the >> non-renewable resources: petroleum has far greater uses than being >> put into gas tanks, IMHO. Medicines that are petrochemical-based, >> lubricants, etc. (bicycle tires!); it's a shame that so much is used >> as fuel, instead of conserved for its other uses. Coal, is going to >> remain the baseload power source for the forseeable future in this >> country; half the electricity in the US is derived from such; unless >> we give up big-screen TV's, air-conditioning, electric heat, ipods, >> eliminate electric cars instead of having more of them, etc., the >> demand for coal will only rise. Yes, nuclear would be the only real >> alternative to coal for electricity, but politics will have to shift >> significantly first. Even if all electricity was produced through >> methods other than coal, though, coal would still be in demand for >> steel production (converted into coke), as chemical basestocks (the >> same way petrochemicals are), etc. (Disclosure: I'm a coal >> reclamation geologist, FWIW...) >> >> Think of it this way: our steel Rivendells: steel is an alloy of iron >> and carbon, the carbon is from coke, which is produced from coal. >> Without coal, we wouldn't have our Rivendells... >> >> C) I encourage recycling; we need less going into landfills. But >> even if you recycle nothing else, recycle aluminum (cans, non- >> Rivendell bicycles, Land Rovers, etc). The amount of electricity >> needed in the electrolysis process to convert bauxite into metallic >> aluminum is immense; so much electricity is saved simply by keeping >> the aluminum already made in the loop. >> >> D) Hope this doesn't step on toes, come across as preachy, etc. Not >> intended to; I realize internet musings often don't convey the visual/ >> audible nuances that we intend to be inferred >> >> -L > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Do we need a Hillborne Flickr group?
i'd contribute pics of my scratched paint, locked up outside in nyc, ridden hard, covered in road salt, commuter hillborne. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Generator lighting questions
Beth: a. Two Spanningas mounted on SKS plastic fenders, one for several years now...no problems. b. NA c. Have not mounted front lights on a rack...thought about it but haven't done it. Angus On Jan 17, 11:40 pm, b hamon wrote: > Unscientific poll: > > a. Rear light mounted to fender -- how many of you have mounted one to a > (gasp!) plastic fender and how long did it last there before getting beaten > up beyond repair? > > b. Wiring: for those kids not cool enough to have it routed internally, do > you like it mounted on top or underside of tubing? > > c. Front light mounting: How many of you don't normally use a small front > rack but specifically installed one to protect the headlight? And how many of > you just went with a fork crown mount sans rack? > > Just curious, playing around with some set-up ideas. > Thanks --Beth > > http://bikelovejones1.blogspot.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18
The developed world's been enjoying incredibly cheap energy courtesy of the Carboniferous Period for the past 150 years.The entire economy of the developed world is completely, inextricably, irrefutably based upon it.Fossil fuel deposits are kind of solar energy stored in battery cells- but think solar power, compressed & concentrated over ~100 million of years. Incredibly potent. It's been stored there waiting to be exploited for another 300 million years, like a tycoon's fortune willed to a lucky grandchild.The thing is, we've been pissing through it, just like a rich kid squandering the family's wealth.Now some are betting that technology is going to magically save us from the coming energy crisis. But that kind of thinking is like the rich kid, realizing he's all but chewed through his entire inheritance, deciding to head to Las Vegas in a panic and betting the remainder at the roulette table. Modern solar technology is great but it won't fill the fuel tank of the modern world.There is no watt-per-watt replacement for fossil fuels, specifically coal, oil and methane. Nothing that matches the net energy gain of extracting the concentrated/compressed sunlight artifact from the earth and burning it. Once these potent energy sources are gone, they are gone, and subsequent generations will be left holding the bag in the form of a more barren, more contaminated, less bio-diverse world.Civilization and it's energy consumption will gradually downsize as fossil fuels are depleted. It won't be the first time the pinnacle of civilization has ebbed. It's happened all over the world, again and again, often for the same reason- depleted resources.The vast technological advancements of the past century+ were made possible by the easy extraction and combustion of fossil fuels, and the maintenance of these technologies is totally dependent on a steady supply of this cheap energy. Reduced dependence on this energy is not going to be made possible by increasing our need for it by increasing our initiative to develop new exotic technologies. It's like a drug addict trying to ease the desire for drugs by taking more drugs. Environmental concern is a compelling reason to walk or ride a bike, even if choosing to do so for enjoyment is probably more common. The fact is, reducing fossil fuel consumption while maintaining our economy is a hard if not impossible dilemma we're facing.Maybe you won't make much of a difference in the grand scheme of things, but to me, it's a matter of which side of a hard problem you chose to live your life. On Jan 20, 12:48 am, William wrote: > "B) I concur w/ Robert Z, wind/solar can't handle the load until some > great extraordinary development in battery technology comes along. " > > Not so fast.concentrating solar thermal breaks that misconceived > limitation of solar. The sun heats up a reservoir of working fluid. > The hot working fluid runs a steam generator turbine just like a > combustion based power plant. In many cases the power plants > connected to solar thermal arrays are regular power plants that had > run on combustion. Those power plants run 24/7, even though the sun > is only up 10 hours a day. We need a lot of those plants to make a > big dent, but zero battery technology is needed to make that work. > They are approaching the magical "dollar a watt" price point for that > technology. When that happens, China tips to solar because then it's > cheaper than building more coal plants, and then everything > changes. > > On Jan 19, 7:52 pm, Leslie wrote: > > > Oi! Lots of thoughts > > > A) I applaud anyone who can commute via their Rivendell. > > Unfortunately for me, it's 40 mi from driveway to parking lot one > > way... I just can't commute by bike. I do carpool; so, four of us > > make the trip together, instead of each of us in four > > automobiles. (And whilst the obvious reply might be to either > > move to closer to work, or change to a job closer to home, neither of > > those ideas work: I don't want to live near where I work, and there's > > not as good of a job near home. Maybe one day, but, not at this > > time.) > > > B) I concur w/ Robert Z, wind/solar can't handle the load until some > > great extraordinary development in battery technology comes along. > > However, I would like to make a comment along the lines of using the > > non-renewable resources: petroleum has far greater uses than being > > put into gas tanks, IMHO. Medicines that are petrochemical-based, > > lubricants, etc. (bicycle tires!); it's a shame that so much is used > > as fuel, instead of conserved for its other uses. Coal, is going to > > remain the baseload power source for the forseeable future in this > > country; half the electricity in the US is derived from such; unless > > we give up big-screen TV's, air-conditioning, electric heat, ipods, > > eliminate electric cars instead of having more of them, etc., th
[RBW] Re: Do we need a Hillborne Flickr group?
Yes. On Jan 20, 1:44 am, Earl Grey wrote: > Since even the SimpleOne has a group, how about a Hillborne group? If > there is interest, I am happy to set it up. > > Cheers, > > Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Do we need a Hillborne Flickr group?
Sounds good to me! best, JimP Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 07:41:14 -0500 Subject: Re: [RBW] Do we need a Hillborne Flickr group? From: bkno...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com I like the idea. The Hillborne's are sorta sparse on the cyclofiend pages... On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 4:44 AM, Earl Grey wrote: Since even the SimpleOne has a group, how about a Hillborne group? If there is interest, I am happy to set it up. Cheers, Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18
I commute by bike every single day regardless of the weather. I live in Portland so it's not that big a deal. My commute is only 4.5 miles. Still, I've never had a license and so never had a car. I grew up in SF and a car is a complete burden there. In my youth I got around by MUNI, skateboard and friend's cars. My family never had a car due to financial circumstances. I lived in LA (Santa Monica) for a year (83/84) and got around fine by bus. In fact I would even take the bus all the way to Upland to go to the skatepark there. My peers had cars but I just couldn't imagine ever owning one even on my after-school job. I was back in SF by 18 and so didn't need a car. In 2000 I moved to Stony Brook (Long Island), NY to go to grad school. I continued to manage without a car taking the LIRR to my internship in another township and walking 3 miles each way to class at the university. It was a cold snowy winter and my classmates thought I was a complete mutant. I enjoyed the walk home at night. While the snow made it slow going at times because the sidewalks were rarely cleared (since everyone lives in their cars there), the walk could also be quite pleasant. I'm now in my 40s and live in Portland with my wife who isn't a fan of my car-less ways but tolerates me. I do need to get a license and deal with driving as she gets frustrated with me but if I had it my way... we'd be car-less. I actually wish my commute was longer. Seeing the world by board, foot and bike has been a real pleasure. On days when I don't feel like riding I think nothing of walking 5 or 6 miles to run an errand. It really seems to put me in a good headspace. When I lived in SF the crew I rode with would meet at the Bridge and ride to the trails or out to Fairfax where the ride would truly begin. There would be an occasional trip to Tamarancho or China Camp by car but by and large this was frowned upon. For me not having a license or a car was initially based on a combination of sloth, financial restrictions and an avoidance of responsibility. Now it's a "green choice". I'd be lying if I didn't say I have anxiety about dealing with driving but still... I really have grown to enjoy walking and cycling as my main mode of transportation. The only time it really becomes a problem is getting to brevet starts. Most of them start out in Forest Grove before the Max (train to the suburbs) starts running. I've ridden out to the start a few times but that tacks on an extra 30 to 35 miles. I've been fortunate in finding people to carpool with. Public transportation here in Portland is good but I tend to avoid it as I don't find it relaxing. I just really enjoy walking if I'm not gonna ride my bike. If I had a way of getting one into my basement I'd get a Big Dummy in a second to use for errands and commuting. Unfortunately I can't get one in my basement and we don't have a garage or covered area to park it. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Shoes
I didn't see a price--how much? > -Original Message- > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners- > bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael_S > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 3:17 PM > To: RBW Owners Bunch > Subject: [RBW] Re: Shoes > > wow I really like the Tourer model! And the price is reasonable. > > Would I look foppish in these shoes? I can just see the expression on my > wifes face if I got a pair. > > It's amazing that these types of shoes > http://www.vittoria1976.it/1976series_en.html > > are coming back in style. > > ~Mike > > > > On Jan 18, 11:08 am, williwoods wrote: > > no but they look pretty sweet. > > > > On Jan 18, 10:59 am, Bruce Baker wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hey has anyone any experience with these bicycling > > > shoes??http://www.quocpham.com/products/index.html > > > Bruce- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners- > bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw- > owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Idaho Stop in NYC
Thanks Grant. I did not see the conflict between your editorial and BSNYC's post. The point is that laws and cycling behavior is best suited when it conforms to the locale. Insisting cyclists scrupulously come to a full stop at a rural intersection no matter the traffic volume is silly. On the other hand, cyclists riding willy-nilly in NYC, downtown Chicago, of SF for that matter are a menace not only to auto traffic but always present pedestrians and fellow cyclists. On Jan 20, 12:47 am, grant wrote: > It doesn't make sense in NYC which is why it's the Idaho Stop. When > traffic is thick, the drivers are mean, and you're expected to stop, > you better stop. The key to the success of the Idaho Stop is that > Idaho Drivers are kept on their toes, and there's just less traffic > there. I rode a big ol' group ride in Boise a couple of years ago, and > was thrilled with the sparseness of traffic. The I.S. worked great. I > bet it would work in other places too, but in NYC maybe they'd just > hit you. Maybe the next place to try it should be Omaha and Iowa and > Ohio---to complete the Four Same-sounders. Any of those would be > better than NYC (or SF, for that matter). > G -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Do we need a Hillborne Flickr group?
Sounds good to me. -Pete On Jan 20, 4:44 am, Earl Grey wrote: > Since even the SimpleOne has a group, how about a Hillborne group? If > there is interest, I am happy to set it up. > > Cheers, > > Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Do we need a Hillborne Flickr group?
Oh gee... now I'm going to have to buy a Hillborne... On Jan 20, 8:51 am, jim phillips wrote: > Sounds good to me! > > best, > > JimP > > Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 07:41:14 -0500 > Subject: Re: [RBW] Do we need a Hillborne Flickr group? > From: bkno...@gmail.com > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > > I like the idea. The Hillborne's are sorta sparse on the cyclofiend pages... > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 4:44 AM, Earl Grey wrote: > > Since even the SimpleOne has a group, how about a Hillborne group? If > there is interest, I am happy to set it up. > > Cheers, > > Gernot > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Generator lighting questions
Wow, Allan, that is one beautiful bike. Sean --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Allan in Portland wrote: From: Allan in Portland Subject: [RBW] Re: Generator lighting questions To: "RBW Owners Bunch" Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 1:38 AM Hello, a) On mounting, I'm pretty proud of this liberal use of p-clamps: http://www.flickr.com/photos/47116230@N00/sets/72157625228844901/ I'd add the guy who invented P-clamps to the list of I-sure-hope-he- didn't-die-broke. b) Neither. I tape it to the side, about 4 o'clock. c) Small front rack, but not for the light, that'd be stupid. I'm now running with a Sackville medium up front, which I love. I really have to get an updated photo of the bike with it. I suppose I should admit to some qualifications. One, it's about 2-3 inches too tall for my handlebars. Two, the trail on this bike, at about 55mm IIRC, is a bit at the upper envelop for front loading IMO. But it looks sooo good. What do they say, if you look good then you will feel good. ;-) Or something like that. -Allan On Jan 17, 9:40 pm, b hamon wrote: > Unscientific poll: > > a. Rear light mounted to fender -- how many of you have mounted one to a > (gasp!) plastic fender and how long did it last there before getting beaten > up beyond repair? > > b. Wiring: for those kids not cool enough to have it routed internally, do > you like it mounted on top or underside of tubing? > > c. Front light mounting: How many of you don't normally use a small front > rack but specifically installed one to protect the headlight? And how many of > you just went with a fork crown mount sans rack? > > Just curious, playing around with some set-up ideas. > Thanks --Beth > > http://bikelovejones1.blogspot.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Do we need a Hillborne Flickr group?
Or you could just have Other Rivendell Model Envy like the rest of us who can't afford to buy every one. On Jan 20, 9:23 am, Montclair BobbyB wrote: > Oh gee... now I'm going to have to buy a Hillborne... > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Do Employers Encourage Bike Commuting? (Was Rivbike Editorial)
Are we encouraged to bike to work? Another HUGE advantage that I am fortunate to use and enjoy is that both of my employers (I juggle two part-time jobs) make it more convenient to cycle to work than to drive, and certainly much cheaper. As Mike mentioned, even if I did not cycle to work, it would be easy and convenient to take Muni to downtown SF, or simply walk. My wife and I are big walkers, and SF is a good town in which to strut and look around. Our home is 110 feet from the Muni bus stop where my wife has been catching her bus for downtown for the last 30 years. Her office building is one block from the end of the line. Nothing could be more convenient. One of my employers happens to be the SF Muni. I work in the Safety Division at the main HQ. That building has in the garage a state-of-the-art bike parking facility, complete with swipe-card entry, 24/7 video surveillance, permit parking, and a simple repair station. The agency also parks its pool bikes there, including two bike cargo trailers. Muni managers and employees are encouraged to use the bikes (or, of course, public transit) to attend to the agency business as much as possible. I know people who drive to work and pay as much as $400 per month for the privilege to park three blocks from the building. My other employer also makes it convenient and secure to cycle to the office. They have no objection at all if employees or visitors bring the bikes into the office space. They only ask that dripping wet bikes be left in the garage until they dry. Its common to see bikes parked in offices or next to cubicles. The building design is what makes all of that possible. There are no narrow corridors that could be blocked by bikes that would be an ADA violation. Each floor is essentially a large, open atrium ringed by a few offices, and with work stations scattered through the atrium areas of each floor. If more of the nation's employers made biking to work as easy and convenient as my employers have done, perhaps more people would commute by bike. From: Mike To: RBW Owners Bunch Sent: Thu, January 20, 2011 6:03:43 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18 I commute by bike every single day regardless of the weather. I live in Portland so it's not that big a deal. My commute is only 4.5 miles. Still, I've never had a license and so never had a car. I grew up in SF and a car is a complete burden there. In my youth I got around by MUNI, skateboard and friend's cars. My family never had a car due to financial circumstances. I lived in LA (Santa Monica) for a year (83/84) and got around fine by bus. In fact I would even take the bus all the way to Upland to go to the skatepark there. My peers had cars but I just couldn't imagine ever owning one even on my after-school job. I was back in SF by 18 and so didn't need a car. In 2000 I moved to Stony Brook (Long Island), NY to go to grad school. I continued to manage without a car taking the LIRR to my internship in another township and walking 3 miles each way to class at the university. It was a cold snowy winter and my classmates thought I was a complete mutant. I enjoyed the walk home at night. While the snow made it slow going at times because the sidewalks were rarely cleared (since everyone lives in their cars there), the walk could also be quite pleasant. I'm now in my 40s and live in Portland with my wife who isn't a fan of my car-less ways but tolerates me. I do need to get a license and deal with driving as she gets frustrated with me but if I had it my way... we'd be car-less. I actually wish my commute was longer. Seeing the world by board, foot and bike has been a real pleasure. On days when I don't feel like riding I think nothing of walking 5 or 6 miles to run an errand. It really seems to put me in a good headspace. When I lived in SF the crew I rode with would meet at the Bridge and ride to the trails or out to Fairfax where the ride would truly begin. There would be an occasional trip to Tamarancho or China Camp by car but by and large this was frowned upon. For me not having a license or a car was initially based on a combination of sloth, financial restrictions and an avoidance of responsibility. Now it's a "green choice". I'd be lying if I didn't say I have anxiety about dealing with driving but still... I really have grown to enjoy walking and cycling as my main mode of transportation. The only time it really becomes a problem is getting to brevet starts. Most of them start out in Forest Grove before the Max (train to the suburbs) starts running. I've ridden out to the start a few times but that tacks on an extra 30 to 35 miles. I've been fortunate in finding people to carpool with. Public transportation here in Portland is good but I tend to avoid it as I don't find it relaxing. I just really enjoy walking if I'm not gonna ride my bike. If I had a way of getting one into my basement I'd get
[RBW] Re: Shoes
90 pounds sterling about $144 US ~Mike On Jan 20, 6:07 am, "Frederick, Steve" wrote: > I didn't see a price--how much? > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners- > > bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael_S > > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 3:17 PM > > To: RBW Owners Bunch > > Subject: [RBW] Re: Shoes > > > wow I really like the Tourer model! And the price is reasonable. > > > Would I look foppish in these shoes? I can just see the expression on my > > wifes face if I got a pair. > > > It's amazing that these types of shoes > >http://www.vittoria1976.it/1976series_en.html > > > are coming back in style. > > > ~Mike > > > On Jan 18, 11:08 am, williwoods wrote: > > > no but they look pretty sweet. > > > > On Jan 18, 10:59 am, Bruce Baker wrote: > > > > > Hey has anyone any experience with these bicycling > > > > shoes??http://www.quocpham.com/products/index.html > > > > Bruce- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners- > > bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw- > > owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Do Employers Encourage Bike Commuting? (Was Rivbike Editorial)
I'm fortunate in that the hospital I work at offers lots of locations for bike parking. I use the enclosed bike parking space but there are plenty of other options and I haven't heard of any thefts or bikes being stripped. My coworker locks his up right outside the ER and has had no problems. The city of Portland has taken out parking spaces to make room for bikes in multiple locations. It's great. http://bikeportland.org/2008/09/16/first-photos-of-new-on-street-bike-corral-downtown-8707 http://bikeportland.org/2010/10/12/more-bike-parking-than-car-parking-at-new-new-seasons-market-41013 These bike corrals would be better with birds on them though: http://www.ifc.com/videos/portlandia-put-a-bird-on-it.php http://www.ifc.com/videos/portlandia-the-city-of-portland.php --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Do Employers Encourage Bike Commuting? (Was Rivbike Editorial)
Mike, I rode through Portland this past summer and saw those designated bicycle parking spaces downtown around Pearl district(?) and Powell's books. They were heavily utilized too. It was the coolest thing I'd seen in any town I'd been through. OK maybe it was a tie with the bike lanes down the middle of the street. On Jan 20, 10:24 am, Mike wrote: > I'm fortunate in that the hospital I work at offers lots of locations > for bike parking. I use the enclosed bike parking space but there are > plenty of other options and I haven't heard of any thefts or bikes > being stripped. My coworker locks his up right outside the ER and has > had no problems. > > The city of Portland has taken out parking spaces to make room for > bikes in multiple locations. It's great. > > http://bikeportland.org/2008/09/16/first-photos-of-new-on-street-bike... > > http://bikeportland.org/2010/10/12/more-bike-parking-than-car-parking... > > These bike corrals would be better with birds on them though: > > http://www.ifc.com/videos/portlandia-put-a-bird-on-it.php > > http://www.ifc.com/videos/portlandia-the-city-of-portland.php > > --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Question on Bar Ends
The bars and stem were a gift from my wife, so I want to still use those. The Brooks grips were a gift to myself. So, if I picked up some carved cork grips, I think that would be just fine. We'll see how it turns out. On Jan 20, 5:47 am, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote: > Well, if you've already got the parts lying around, it'd be > interesting to try to make that work. My guess, though, is that the > cable housing emerging from the bar-end shifter will interfere with > the grip's outboard retaining ring. When I asked RBW about whether I > could use bar-end shifters with the woodies grips they used to sell, > the answer was a straightforward "no" for a similar reason. > > Now, with some creative carving you *might* make it work. Looks iffy > at best to me. I'm setting up some Albatross bars with the carved cork > grips from RBW right now. > > Or, perhaps try the VO stitch-on leather grips? > > I'd love to hear how it works out. > > Yours, > Thomas Lynn Skean > > On Jan 19, 11:48 am, Mike Irwin > wrote: > > > I'm in the planning process for a new steel steed. I'm planning on > > going with the Hillborne and building it up to be a fine, upright > > country cruiser. I have a set of Albatross bars that I think I'd like > > to use and I have the leather Brooks grips. > > > I'd like to know if anyone has experience w/ using bar ends with the > > Brooks grips. The shifters will be from a Shimano 105 groupset. I > > could always mount them in mountain bike fashion, but I thought the > > bar ends would add a level of style and refinement fit for a proper > > bicycle. > > > Any ideas? > > > Thanks in advance! > > Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Do Employers Encourage Bike Commuting? (Was Rivbike Editorial)
Oh, I should have added that the company dress policy is also a big factor in how much an employer encourages bike commuting. Both of my employers have a casual dress policy. While blue jeans and T-shirts are unacceptable, slacks and a collared shirt are allowed and are in fact the norm. In fact, I often wear my MUSA cycling pants purchased from RBW and a nice pull-over shirt. I must admit that if I were reqiured to dress in suit and tie, bike commuting would not be as attractive to me. From: Ray Shine To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, January 20, 2011 6:46:44 AM Subject: [RBW] Do Employers Encourage Bike Commuting? (Was Rivbike Editorial) Are we encouraged to bike to work? Another HUGE advantage that I am fortunate to use and enjoy is that both of my employers (I juggle two part-time jobs) make it more convenient to cycle to work than to drive, and certainly much cheaper. As Mike mentioned, even if I did not cycle to work, it would be easy and convenient to take Muni to downtown SF, or simply walk. My wife and I are big walkers, and SF is a good town in which to strut and look around. Our home is 110 feet from the Muni bus stop where my wife has been catching her bus for downtown for the last 30 years. Her office building is one block from the end of the line. Nothing could be more convenient. One of my employers happens to be the SF Muni. I work in the Safety Division at the main HQ. That building has in the garage a state-of-the-art bike parking facility, complete with swipe-card entry, 24/7 video surveillance, permit parking, and a simple repair station. The agency also parks its pool bikes there, including two bike cargo trailers. Muni managers and employees are encouraged to use the bikes (or, of course, public transit) to attend to the agency business as much as possible. I know people who drive to work and pay as much as $400 per month for the privilege to park three blocks from the building. My other employer also makes it convenient and secure to cycle to the office. They have no objection at all if employees or visitors bring the bikes into the office space. They only ask that dripping wet bikes be left in the garage until they dry. Its common to see bikes parked in offices or next to cubicles. The building design is what makes all of that possible. There are no narrow corridors that could be blocked by bikes that would be an ADA violation. Each floor is essentially a large, open atrium ringed by a few offices, and with work stations scattered through the atrium areas of each floor. If more of the nation's employers made biking to work as easy and convenient as my employers have done, perhaps more people would commute by bike. From: Mike To: RBW Owners Bunch Sent: Thu, January 20, 2011 6:03:43 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18 I commute by bike every single day regardless of the weather. I live in Portland so it's not that big a deal. My commute is only 4.5 miles. Still, I've never had a license and so never had a car. I grew up in SF and a car is a complete burden there. In my youth I got around by MUNI, skateboard and friend's cars. My family never had a car due to financial circumstances. I lived in LA (Santa Monica) for a year (83/84) and got around fine by bus. In fact I would even take the bus all the way to Upland to go to the skatepark there. My peers had cars but I just couldn't imagine ever owning one even on my after-school job. I was back in SF by 18 and so didn't need a car. In 2000 I moved to Stony Brook (Long Island), NY to go to grad school. I continued to manage without a car taking the LIRR to my internship in another township and walking 3 miles each way to class at the university. It was a cold snowy winter and my classmates thought I was a complete mutant. I enjoyed the walk home at night. While the snow made it slow going at times because the sidewalks were rarely cleared (since everyone lives in their cars there), the walk could also be quite pleasant. I'm now in my 40s and live in Portland with my wife who isn't a fan of my car-less ways but tolerates me. I do need to get a license and deal with driving as she gets frustrated with me but if I had it my way... we'd be car-less. I actually wish my commute was longer. Seeing the world by board, foot and bike has been a real pleasure. On days when I don't feel like riding I think nothing of walking 5 or 6 miles to run an errand. It really seems to put me in a good headspace. When I lived in SF the crew I rode with would meet at the Bridge and ride to the trails or out to Fairfax where the ride would truly begin. There would be an occasional trip to Tamarancho or China Camp by car but by and large this was frowned upon. For me not having a license or a car was initially based on a combination of sloth, financial restrictions and an avoidance of responsibili
Re: [RBW] Re: Do Employers Encourage Bike Commuting? (Was Rivbike Editorial)
Very cool. From: Mike To: RBW Owners Bunch Sent: Thu, January 20, 2011 7:24:38 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: Do Employers Encourage Bike Commuting? (Was Rivbike Editorial) I'm fortunate in that the hospital I work at offers lots of locations for bike parking. I use the enclosed bike parking space but there are plenty of other options and I haven't heard of any thefts or bikes being stripped. My coworker locks his up right outside the ER and has had no problems. The city of Portland has taken out parking spaces to make room for bikes in multiple locations. It's great. http://bikeportland.org/2008/09/16/first-photos-of-new-on-street-bike-corral-downtown-8707 http://bikeportland.org/2010/10/12/more-bike-parking-than-car-parking-at-new-new-seasons-market-41013 These bike corrals would be better with birds on them though: http://www.ifc.com/videos/portlandia-put-a-bird-on-it.php http://www.ifc.com/videos/portlandia-the-city-of-portland.php --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18
A lump of uranium goes a long way Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: newenglandbike Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 05:19:40 To: RBW Owners Bunch Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18 The developed world's been enjoying incredibly cheap energy courtesy of the Carboniferous Period for the past 150 years.The entire economy of the developed world is completely, inextricably, irrefutably based upon it.Fossil fuel deposits are kind of solar energy stored in battery cells- but think solar power, compressed & concentrated over ~100 million of years. Incredibly potent. It's been stored there waiting to be exploited for another 300 million years, like a tycoon's fortune willed to a lucky grandchild.The thing is, we've been pissing through it, just like a rich kid squandering the family's wealth.Now some are betting that technology is going to magically save us from the coming energy crisis. But that kind of thinking is like the rich kid, realizing he's all but chewed through his entire inheritance, deciding to head to Las Vegas in a panic and betting the remainder at the roulette table. Modern solar technology is great but it won't fill the fuel tank of the modern world.There is no watt-per-watt replacement for fossil fuels, specifically coal, oil and methane. Nothing that matches the net energy gain of extracting the concentrated/compressed sunlight artifact from the earth and burning it. Once these potent energy sources are gone, they are gone, and subsequent generations will be left holding the bag in the form of a more barren, more contaminated, less bio-diverse world.Civilization and it's energy consumption will gradually downsize as fossil fuels are depleted. It won't be the first time the pinnacle of civilization has ebbed. It's happened all over the world, again and again, often for the same reason- depleted resources.The vast technological advancements of the past century+ were made possible by the easy extraction and combustion of fossil fuels, and the maintenance of these technologies is totally dependent on a steady supply of this cheap energy. Reduced dependence on this energy is not going to be made possible by increasing our need for it by increasing our initiative to develop new exotic technologies. It's like a drug addict trying to ease the desire for drugs by taking more drugs. Environmental concern is a compelling reason to walk or ride a bike, even if choosing to do so for enjoyment is probably more common. The fact is, reducing fossil fuel consumption while maintaining our economy is a hard if not impossible dilemma we're facing.Maybe you won't make much of a difference in the grand scheme of things, but to me, it's a matter of which side of a hard problem you chose to live your life. On Jan 20, 12:48 am, William wrote: > "B) I concur w/ Robert Z, wind/solar can't handle the load until some > great extraordinary development in battery technology comes along. " > > Not so fast.concentrating solar thermal breaks that misconceived > limitation of solar. The sun heats up a reservoir of working fluid. > The hot working fluid runs a steam generator turbine just like a > combustion based power plant. In many cases the power plants > connected to solar thermal arrays are regular power plants that had > run on combustion. Those power plants run 24/7, even though the sun > is only up 10 hours a day. We need a lot of those plants to make a > big dent, but zero battery technology is needed to make that work. > They are approaching the magical "dollar a watt" price point for that > technology. When that happens, China tips to solar because then it's > cheaper than building more coal plants, and then everything > changes. > > On Jan 19, 7:52 pm, Leslie wrote: > > > Oi! Lots of thoughts > > > A) I applaud anyone who can commute via their Rivendell. > > Unfortunately for me, it's 40 mi from driveway to parking lot one > > way... I just can't commute by bike. I do carpool; so, four of us > > make the trip together, instead of each of us in four > > automobiles. (And whilst the obvious reply might be to either > > move to closer to work, or change to a job closer to home, neither of > > those ideas work: I don't want to live near where I work, and there's > > not as good of a job near home. Maybe one day, but, not at this > > time.) > > > B) I concur w/ Robert Z, wind/solar can't handle the load until some > > great extraordinary development in battery technology comes along. > > However, I would like to make a comment along the lines of using the > > non-renewable resources: petroleum has far greater uses than being > > put into gas tanks, IMHO. Medicines that are petrochemical-based, > > lubricants, etc. (bicycle tires!); it's a shame that so much is used > > as fuel, instead of conserved for its
[RBW] Re: Do we need a Hillborne Flickr group?
Done. Add your Sam shots to "Rivendell Sam Hillborne" on flickr.com. It doesn't show up yet in a group search, but hopefully will soon. Gernot On Jan 20, 9:44 pm, Norman wrote: > Or you could just have Other Rivendell Model Envy like the rest of us > who can't afford to buy every one. > > On Jan 20, 9:23 am, Montclair BobbyB > wrote: > > > > > Oh gee... now I'm going to have to buy a Hillborne... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] European Hillborne Tour
Greetings All, I am planning a European tour for about a month this summer on my Hillborne. I have quite a few questions and wonder if anyone here knows of a more on-topic list serve to direct my questions towards. Cheers, Adam -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] European Hillborne Tour
You, Sir, are a lucky S.O.B. Are you camping? Where are you headed? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Adam Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:57:31 To: RBW Owners Bunch Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] European Hillborne Tour Greetings All, I am planning a European tour for about a month this summer on my Hillborne. I have quite a few questions and wonder if anyone here knows of a more on-topic list serve to direct my questions towards. Cheers, Adam -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18
The trade-off for nuclear power is a legacy of radioactive waste that will last for hundreds of thousands of years. Not to mention that the mining of uranium is an environmentally catastrophic process, displacing roughly 100,000 tons of radioactive rock containing thorium, polonium, radium, etc. for every 20-30 tons of uranium, contaminating water supplies and the soil with radionuclides. It's basically cancer in your drinking water. Mining is powered by fossil fuel. The availability of high-grade ore is in the tens of years by some estimates. It's not a solution, it's a serious problem. On Jan 20, 11:34 am, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: > A lump of uranium goes a long way > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: newenglandbike > > Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 05:19:40 > To: RBW Owners Bunch > Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18 > > The developed world's been enjoying incredibly cheap energy courtesy > of the Carboniferous Period for the past 150 years. The entire > economy of the developed world is completely, inextricably, > irrefutably based upon it. Fossil fuel deposits are kind of solar > energy stored in battery cells- but think solar power, compressed & > concentrated over ~100 million of years. Incredibly potent. It's > been stored there waiting to be exploited for another 300 million > years, like a tycoon's fortune willed to a lucky grandchild. The > thing is, we've been pissing through it, just like a rich kid > squandering the family's wealth. Now some are betting that > technology is going to magically save us from the coming energy > crisis. But that kind of thinking is like the rich kid, realizing > he's all but chewed through his entire inheritance, deciding to head > to Las Vegas in a panic and betting the remainder at the roulette > table. > > Modern solar technology is great but it won't fill the fuel tank of > the modern world. There is no watt-per-watt replacement for fossil > fuels, specifically coal, oil and methane. Nothing that matches the > net energy gain of extracting the concentrated/compressed sunlight > artifact from the earth and burning it. Once these potent energy > sources are gone, they are gone, and subsequent generations will be > left holding the bag in the form of a more barren, more contaminated, > less bio-diverse world. Civilization and it's energy consumption > will gradually downsize as fossil fuels are depleted. It won't be > the first time the pinnacle of civilization has ebbed. It's happened > all over the world, again and again, often for the same reason- > depleted resources. The vast technological advancements of the past > century+ were made possible by the easy extraction and combustion of > fossil fuels, and the maintenance of these technologies is totally > dependent on a steady supply of this cheap energy. Reduced > dependence on this energy is not going to be made possible by > increasing our need for it by increasing our initiative to develop new > exotic technologies. It's like a drug addict trying to ease the > desire for drugs by taking more drugs. > > Environmental concern is a compelling reason to walk or ride a bike, > even if choosing to do so for enjoyment is probably more common. The > fact is, reducing fossil fuel consumption while maintaining our > economy is a hard if not impossible dilemma we're facing. Maybe you > won't make much of a difference in the grand scheme of things, but to > me, it's a matter of which side of a hard problem you chose to live > your life. > > On Jan 20, 12:48 am, William wrote: > > "B) I concur w/ Robert Z, wind/solar can't handle the load until some > > great extraordinary development in battery technology comes along. " > > > Not so fast.concentrating solar thermal breaks that misconceived > > limitation of solar. The sun heats up a reservoir of working fluid. > > The hot working fluid runs a steam generator turbine just like a > > combustion based power plant. In many cases the power plants > > connected to solar thermal arrays are regular power plants that had > > run on combustion. Those power plants run 24/7, even though the sun > > is only up 10 hours a day. We need a lot of those plants to make a > > big dent, but zero battery technology is needed to make that work. > > They are approaching the magical "dollar a watt" price point for that > > technology. When that happens, China tips to solar because then it's > > cheaper than building more coal plants, and then everything > > changes. > > > On Jan 19, 7:52 pm, Leslie wrote: > > > > Oi! Lots of thoughts > > > > A) I applaud anyone who can commute via their Rivendell. > > > Unfortunately for me, it's 40 mi from driveway to parking lot one > > > way... I just can't commute by bike. I do carpool; so, four of us > > > make the trip together, i
[RBW] Re: Do we need a Hillborne Flickr group?
It's about time. Pics have just been added. I'm interested to see when some green one's pop up. On Jan 20, 8:37 am, Earl Grey wrote: > Done. Add your Sam shots to "Rivendell Sam Hillborne" on flickr.com. > It doesn't show up yet in a group search, but hopefully will soon. > > Gernot > > On Jan 20, 9:44 pm, Norman wrote: > > > Or you could just have Other Rivendell Model Envy like the rest of us > > who can't afford to buy every one. > > > On Jan 20, 9:23 am, Montclair BobbyB > > wrote: > > > > Oh gee... now I'm going to have to buy a Hillborne... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Do we need a Hillborne Flickr group?
I'll be adding my green one sometime this weekend On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Benedikt wrote: > It's about time. Pics have just been added. I'm interested to see > when some green one's pop up. > > On Jan 20, 8:37 am, Earl Grey wrote: > > Done. Add your Sam shots to "Rivendell Sam Hillborne" on flickr.com. > > It doesn't show up yet in a group search, but hopefully will soon. > > > > Gernot > > > > On Jan 20, 9:44 pm, Norman wrote: > > > > > Or you could just have Other Rivendell Model Envy like the rest of us > > > who can't afford to buy every one. > > > > > On Jan 20, 9:23 am, Montclair BobbyB > > > wrote: > > > > > > Oh gee... now I'm going to have to buy a Hillborne... > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Shoes
I bought the dromarti sportivo's about a year ago, they are quite nice. Maybe too nice. They get some wear on the weekends, but I usually commute in this fetching style: http://www.rei.com/product/807721 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Is the light surface rust on the clear powdered Riv's a long term problem?
on 1/19/11 11:56 AM, williwoods at willh...@yahoo.com wrote: > Just curious if anyone agrees with various statements/opinions about > the clear powdered Rivendell frames I have received on some other > forums. "Rule One About Rivendells: Don't Talk About Rivendells on Other Forums..." ;^) Sorry... could _not_ resist that. > > Personally im not too worried about it and I love the visual effect of > the pattern (see link of pics I provided above), much prefer the > texture over it being totally clean. I find it pretty interesting looking. That is a dynamite looking bicycle. > I havent had my frame long enough to know if the rust effect is > growing over time or if its the same as it was when it left RBW HQ. > Any other raw frame experiences? It's possible that people are confusing the idea of clear-coating frames with clear powder coating. A few years back, there was a short-lived trend to clear coat frames to show off the industrial nature of the TIG welds - the discoloration and metal scorching being a kind of tribal tattoo of toughness. This did not work well, as clear coating - the layer that you put over traditional "wet" paint finishes - is semi-porous. That means that enough air can get through to encourage the oxidation process. I saw frames go from no rust to completely rusted in a few months. It was not slow. Clear powdercoat is different. It has much less permeability. I'd be surprised if those rust areas changed much over years. As others mentioned, if you see a steel frame being put together, it's amazing how much surface rust is visible. If it were mine, I'd take some photos and measurements and put it in a file somewhere for reference. If I were worried, I might take it to a framebuilder to have that person evaluate it directly. Someone who is observing it directly and has familiarity with steel tubes and their processes is who I'd trust. Then I'd go ride the heck out of the bicycle. Because it's steel, even _IF_ that rust was going to cause failure, it's steel, and it would fail slowly and predictably. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here - http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com "I had to ride slow because I was taking my guerrilla route, the one I follow when I assume that everyone in a car is out to get me." -- Neal Stephenson, "Zodiac" -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Shoes
Dig dang it. My size 49 feet need stylin vintage shoes too! On Jan 18, 12:59 pm, Bruce Baker wrote: > Hey has anyone any experience with these bicycling > shoes??http://www.quocpham.com/products/index.html > Bruce -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Idaho Stop in NYC
I think the Idaho stop makes sense EVERYWHERE that it makes sense. In Manhattan, at 3AM, when there's not another car on the road, Idaho stop YES! In Couer d'Alene Idaho, when you approach a stop sign with a long line of cars waiting in the crossing direction, Idaho stop NO! I think the comment that missed the mark was BSNYC's. I think he too would advocate, and practices, the Idaho stop when the situation calls for it. But his comment was more of a hardline. There are many traffic signals that aren't triggered by bikes. The left turn lane from Industrial Parkway to Dixon that takes me to the South Hayward BART station won't trigger with a bike. When I'm out in that left turn lane, I can wait 3, 4, 5 green light cycles, and the left turn arrow will never trigger unless a car gets in the left turn lane with me. I'd be stuck there for hours, or be forced to dismount, scamper across and hit the WALK button. Instead I do a version of the Idaho stop, and treat a green light as an unprotected left and get on with my life. According to BSNYC's comment yesterday, I break the law when I do that and should stop. I think Grant and I are in the same boat on this. Use your brain, do what is safe and makes sense for the situation. On Jan 19, 10:47 pm, grant wrote: > It doesn't make sense in NYC which is why it's the Idaho Stop. When > traffic is thick, the drivers are mean, and you're expected to stop, > you better stop. The key to the success of the Idaho Stop is that > Idaho Drivers are kept on their toes, and there's just less traffic > there. I rode a big ol' group ride in Boise a couple of years ago, and > was thrilled with the sparseness of traffic. The I.S. worked great. I > bet it would work in other places too, but in NYC maybe they'd just > hit you. Maybe the next place to try it should be Omaha and Iowa and > Ohio---to complete the Four Same-sounders. Any of those would be > better than NYC (or SF, for that matter). > G -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Idaho Stop in NYC
> I think the Idaho stop makes sense EVERYWHERE that it makes sense. Who decides where it makes sense? Unfortunately there are many urban riders who appear to think an Idaho stop makes sense if traffic with the right of way theoretically can brake fast enough to avoid T-boning or rear ending them. In busy cities like New York (there are many places in Manhattan with traffic even at 3:00 a.m. - not called the city that never sleeps for nothing) affording people the liberty to decide generally descends into chaos. Even if only 1 in 10 rider is a jerk, the numbers are dense enough that you have a lot of jerks. On Jan 20, 12:25 pm, William wrote: > I think the Idaho stop makes sense EVERYWHERE that it makes sense. In > Manhattan, at 3AM, when there's not another car on the road, Idaho > stop YES! In Couer d'Alene Idaho, when you approach a stop sign with > a long line of cars waiting in the crossing direction, Idaho stop NO! > I think the comment that missed the mark was BSNYC's. I think he too > would advocate, and practices, the Idaho stop when the situation calls > for it. But his comment was more of a hardline. There are many > traffic signals that aren't triggered by bikes. The left turn lane > from Industrial Parkway to Dixon that takes me to the South Hayward > BART station won't trigger with a bike. When I'm out in that left > turn lane, I can wait 3, 4, 5 green light cycles, and the left turn > arrow will never trigger unless a car gets in the left turn lane with > me. I'd be stuck there for hours, or be forced to dismount, scamper > across and hit the WALK button. Instead I do a version of the Idaho > stop, and treat a green light as an unprotected left and get on with > my life. According to BSNYC's comment yesterday, I break the law when > I do that and should stop. I think Grant and I are in the same boat > on this. Use your brain, do what is safe and makes sense for the > situation. > > On Jan 19, 10:47 pm, grant wrote: > > > > > It doesn't make sense in NYC which is why it's the Idaho Stop. When > > traffic is thick, the drivers are mean, and you're expected to stop, > > you better stop. The key to the success of the Idaho Stop is that > > Idaho Drivers are kept on their toes, and there's just less traffic > > there. I rode a big ol' group ride in Boise a couple of years ago, and > > was thrilled with the sparseness of traffic. The I.S. worked great. I > > bet it would work in other places too, but in NYC maybe they'd just > > hit you. Maybe the next place to try it should be Omaha and Iowa and > > Ohio---to complete the Four Same-sounders. Any of those would be > > better than NYC (or SF, for that matter). > > G- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Idaho Stop in NYC
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:47 PM, grant wrote: > It doesn't make sense in NYC which is why it's the Idaho Stop. When > traffic is thick, the drivers are mean, and you're expected to stop, > you better stop. The point about the Idaho Stop is the cyclist still has to yield at stop signs. *If there is no one waiting to go the other direction,* the cyclist doesn't have to stop, but can continue after making sure it's safe. But in Manhattan, at most times of the day, most intersections aren't empty. That is, the cyclist won't come to a stop sign and discover there is no traffic the other way. So, if the Idaho Stop were the law in New York City wouldn't matter, because it would almost never apply. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Updated FS: 3TTT, Sugino, SKF, Quickbeam
Hi All, Just a few things unclaimed: - 3ttt ProChrome stem made from columbus tubing (silver), 12cm, Excellent condition: $35 - SKF 110 JIS bb, excellend condition: $75 - Sugino Alpina crank, 48/34 compact, rings new, arms: logo rubbed off in some areas otherwise in good condition: $95 As previously all prices include shipping. Of course I still have the frame too: 62cm Quickbeam (60cm ctc), silver, from the very last run. In excellent shape, no dings, dents or scratches, never crashed, framesavered and always stored inside. Comes with rack and headset. $950. For this I will need actual shipping Thanks, Clayton -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: European Hillborne Tour
Check out crazyguyonabike.com A lot of journals and a very active q & a forum. On Jan 20, 10:57 am, Adam wrote: > Greetings All, > > I am planning a European tour for about a month this summer on my > Hillborne. I have quite a few questions and wonder if anyone here > knows of a more on-topic list serve to direct my questions towards. > > Cheers, > Adam -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud Tourin Saddle - Initial impression
Ray, feel free to contact me off-line whenever you want to check out the saddle. Since you come to Palo Alto on a regular basis, all we have to do is coordinate to meet. Will you be available on the weekend of February 5 - 6 to show me your route/ride from San Francisco to Palo Alto? I've been meaning to contact you but now that my 11 year old son has discovered the love of mountain biking, I've been going out with him every chance I get. Second and third commute rides on the Berthoud saddle prove it's a keeper. I may fidget with some very minor adjustments like saddle angulation but I think I have it pretty much spot on. Stay tuned for brand new and brand new looking Brooks saddles coming online in the next few days. If anyone is interested, I'll be posting several B-17 saddles, regular and titanium rails, brand new black Swallow and brand new black B-17 narrow. René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18
On Jan 20, 12:15 pm, newenglandbike wrote: > The trade-off for nuclear power is a legacy of radioactive waste that > will last for hundreds of thousands of years. Not to mention that > the mining of uranium is an environmentally catastrophic process, > displacing roughly 100,000 tons of radioactive rock containing > thorium, polonium, radium, etc. for every 20-30 tons of uranium, > contaminating water supplies and the soil with radionuclides. It's > basically cancer in your drinking water. Mining is powered by fossil > fuel. The availability of high-grade ore is in the tens of years by > some estimates. It's not a solution, it's a serious problem. > > On Jan 20, 11:34 am, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: > > A lump of uranium goes a long way > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry A lot of uranium is now being mined w/o turning a shovel.They drill a pair of wells, pump fluid down one side of the ore, pump it back out the other side, with the fluid leeching the uranium out. (Usually peroxide.) No rock displaced. And, it's not introducing anything that isn't already there it doesn't put the uranium, or thorium, etc., into the ground... IMHO, the biggest problem is, it's cheaper to get more uranium than it is to reprocess the spent fuel. They 'could' reprocess it, and recover, maybe upwards of 75%, for further use as nuclear fuel; it just costs more than getting more.So, they end up w/ quantities of spent fuel, that has to be put somewhere. That's the issue. Unless they can figure out how to convert that into stable arborium for Kevlar, or something else useful, instead of sitting around in glass or being shipped off to Yucca Mtn, well... FWIW -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Generator lighting questions
Alan, this is a nice looking bike, did you paint the fenders yourself? And i think those clamps for the rear lights are called R-clamps, i think the bigger ones are p-clamps? Or someone can explain that to me, this is a great idea, i might steal it for one of my bikes. On Jan 20, 1:38 am, Allan in Portland wrote: > Hello, > > a) On mounting, I'm pretty proud of this liberal use of > p-clamps:http://www.flickr.com/photos/47116230@N00/sets/72157625228844901/ > > I'd add the guy who invented P-clamps to the list of I-sure-hope-he- > didn't-die-broke. > > b) Neither. I tape it to the side, about 4 o'clock. > > c) Small front rack, but not for the light, that'd be stupid. I'm now > running with a Sackville medium up front, which I love. I really have > to get an updated photo of the bike with it. I suppose I should admit > to some qualifications. One, it's about 2-3 inches too tall for my > handlebars. Two, the trail on this bike, at about 55mm IIRC, is a bit > at the upper envelop for front loading IMO. But it looks sooo good. > What do they say, if you look good then you will feel good. ;-) Or > something like that. > > -Allan > > On Jan 17, 9:40 pm, b hamon wrote: > > > > > > > > > Unscientific poll: > > > a. Rear light mounted to fender -- how many of you have mounted one to a > > (gasp!) plastic fender and how long did it last there before getting beaten > > up beyond repair? > > > b. Wiring: for those kids not cool enough to have it routed internally, do > > you like it mounted on top or underside of tubing? > > > c. Front light mounting: How many of you don't normally use a small front > > rack but specifically installed one to protect the headlight? And how many > > of you just went with a fork crown mount sans rack? > > > Just curious, playing around with some set-up ideas. > > Thanks --Beth > > >http://bikelovejones1.blogspot.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Idaho Stop in NYC
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Anne Paulson wrote: > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:47 PM, grant wrote: > >> It doesn't make sense in NYC which is why it's the Idaho Stop. When >> traffic is thick, the drivers are mean, and you're expected to stop, >> you better stop. > > The point about the Idaho Stop is the cyclist still has to yield at > stop signs. *If there is no one waiting to go the other direction,* > the cyclist doesn't have to stop, but can continue after making sure > it's safe. But in Manhattan, at most times of the day, most > intersections aren't empty. That is, the cyclist won't come to a stop > sign and discover there is no traffic the other way. So, if the Idaho > Stop were the law in New York City wouldn't matter, because it would > almost never apply. > Anne, Thanks for stating that so clearly. I think a lot of people were misunderstanding. Somehow folks seems to be thinking that 'yield' means 'go ahead no matter what'. The idaho stop is just a 'preservation of forward motion at stop signs for extremely lightweight and relatively slow-moving vehicles". In high-traffic areas amounts to no change in how traffic flow or right-of-way works at all. It only makes it not-illegal to pause-and-roll a stop sign when there is no other traffic. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Leslie wrote: > IMHO, the biggest problem is, it's cheaper to get more uranium than it > is to reprocess the spent fuel. They 'could' reprocess it, and > recover, maybe upwards of 75%, for further use as nuclear fuel; it > just costs more than getting more. So, they end up w/ quantities of > spent fuel, that has to be put somewhere. That's the issue. Unless > they can figure out how to convert that into stable arborium for > Kevlar, or something else useful, instead of sitting around in glass > or being shipped off to Yucca Mtn, well... > the book "The world without us" by Alan Weisman: http://www.worldwithoutus.com/index2.html has a compelling chapter on the long-term storage of spent nuclear fuel and other toxic chemicals. The paragraphs on the linguists required to label the 'danger areas' with adequate warnings so that any intelligent life 1 years from now will know to stay away is fascinating. Well worth your time to read the book. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Idaho Stop in NYC
For the record, I'm not an anarchist. I'll repeat what I said: "In Manhattan, at 3AM, when there's not another car on the road, Idaho stop YES!" If there are cars on the road, then you are in traffic, follow the traffic laws. That's what makes sense. ANY situation where there are ZERO other vehicles of any kind, I advocate cyclists treating stop signs and red lights as yield signs. ANY situation where there are ANY other vehicles of any kind, I advocate cyclists treating stop signs as stop signs and red lights as red lights. I expect in Manhattan, this will very rarely come up, but it's not never. When there is not another car on the road, and I'm stopped at the red light, and it does not change to green because my bike doesn't have the mass to trigger the magnetic sensor, you are telling me that going ahead and riding on will cause society to "generally descend into chaos"? Of course it won't. That's as far as I take it. Regarding the "many urban riders", the other part of Grant's editorial that hasn't come up was the notion that "bad apple" riders ignoring the traffic laws somehow "ruins it for the rest of us". Grant called that notion into question, and I think he has a good point. It caused me to rethink the ire I feel for delinquent riders who blow through stop signs in traffic. I definitely don't approve of it, but now I'm not so sure that it somehow reflects poorly on me. On Jan 20, 10:55 am, JoelMatthews wrote: > > I think the Idaho stop makes sense EVERYWHERE that it makes sense. > > Who decides where it makes sense? Unfortunately there are many urban > riders who appear to think an Idaho stop makes sense if traffic with > the right of way theoretically can brake fast enough to avoid T-boning > or rear ending them. > > In busy cities like New York (there are many places in Manhattan with > traffic even at 3:00 a.m. - not called the city that never sleeps for > nothing) affording people the liberty to decide generally descends > into chaos. Even if only 1 in 10 rider is a jerk, the numbers are > dense enough that you have a lot of jerks. > > On Jan 20, 12:25 pm, William wrote: > > > I think the Idaho stop makes sense EVERYWHERE that it makes sense. In > > Manhattan, at 3AM, when there's not another car on the road, Idaho > > stop YES! In Couer d'Alene Idaho, when you approach a stop sign with > > a long line of cars waiting in the crossing direction, Idaho stop NO! > > I think the comment that missed the mark was BSNYC's. I think he too > > would advocate, and practices, the Idaho stop when the situation calls > > for it. But his comment was more of a hardline. There are many > > traffic signals that aren't triggered by bikes. The left turn lane > > from Industrial Parkway to Dixon that takes me to the South Hayward > > BART station won't trigger with a bike. When I'm out in that left > > turn lane, I can wait 3, 4, 5 green light cycles, and the left turn > > arrow will never trigger unless a car gets in the left turn lane with > > me. I'd be stuck there for hours, or be forced to dismount, scamper > > across and hit the WALK button. Instead I do a version of the Idaho > > stop, and treat a green light as an unprotected left and get on with > > my life. According to BSNYC's comment yesterday, I break the law when > > I do that and should stop. I think Grant and I are in the same boat > > on this. Use your brain, do what is safe and makes sense for the > > situation. > > > On Jan 19, 10:47 pm, grant wrote: > > > > It doesn't make sense in NYC which is why it's the Idaho Stop. When > > > traffic is thick, the drivers are mean, and you're expected to stop, > > > you better stop. The key to the success of the Idaho Stop is that > > > Idaho Drivers are kept on their toes, and there's just less traffic > > > there. I rode a big ol' group ride in Boise a couple of years ago, and > > > was thrilled with the sparseness of traffic. The I.S. worked great. I > > > bet it would work in other places too, but in NYC maybe they'd just > > > hit you. Maybe the next place to try it should be Omaha and Iowa and > > > Ohio---to complete the Four Same-sounders. Any of those would be > > > better than NYC (or SF, for that matter). > > > G- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Idaho Stop in NYC
I just ride as though invisible. So even stop signs I stop and go as is SAFE for me. If you are in a car or on a bike or walking.. I make it my game to make sure you never have to hit your brakes, or make any avoidance move do to my riding. This does not mean I don't take and own lanes for safety or that I won't make myself part of traffic. I ride my bike like I drive my car which includes rolling stop signs and in the rare instance of complete lack of vehicles running red lights. If I get a ticket I say thank you very much and pay my fine. (hasn't happened on the bike yet). Guess what I'm saying is, you won't see my putting my foot down at a stop sign .. I may be at 2 mph .. track standing a second till it's clear.. but when it's safe I'm going regardless of signage or lights. Just me Kelly -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Paulson Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 12:55 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Idaho Stop in NYC On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:47 PM, grant wrote: > It doesn't make sense in NYC which is why it's the Idaho Stop. When > traffic is thick, the drivers are mean, and you're expected to stop, > you better stop. The point about the Idaho Stop is the cyclist still has to yield at stop signs. *If there is no one waiting to go the other direction,* the cyclist doesn't have to stop, but can continue after making sure it's safe. But in Manhattan, at most times of the day, most intersections aren't empty. That is, the cyclist won't come to a stop sign and discover there is no traffic the other way. So, if the Idaho Stop were the law in New York City wouldn't matter, because it would almost never apply. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18
Yes, in-situ leaching. it's another horrifying process. Unfortunately even if done without any 'accidents', mineral precipitation is a problem, and the leachates are toxic waste. And, how are they not introducing anything that isn't already there? What happens to the groundwater? You are right, storage of radioactive waste is a problem, but I don't see how extraction is not a huge problem. On Jan 20, 2:00 pm, Leslie wrote: > On Jan 20, 12:15 pm, newenglandbike wrote: > > > The trade-off for nuclear power is a legacy of radioactive waste that > > will last for hundreds of thousands of years. Not to mention that > > the mining of uranium is an environmentally catastrophic process, > > displacing roughly 100,000 tons of radioactive rock containing > > thorium, polonium, radium, etc. for every 20-30 tons of uranium, > > contaminating water supplies and the soil with radionuclides. It's > > basically cancer in your drinking water. Mining is powered by fossil > > fuel. The availability of high-grade ore is in the tens of years by > > some estimates. It's not a solution, it's a serious problem. > > > On Jan 20, 11:34 am, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: > > > A lump of uranium goes a long way > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > A lot of uranium is now being mined w/o turning a shovel. They > drill a pair of wells, pump fluid down one side of the ore, pump it > back out the other side, with the fluid leeching the uranium out. > (Usually peroxide.) No rock displaced. And, it's not introducing > anything that isn't already there it doesn't put the uranium, or > thorium, etc., into the ground... > > IMHO, the biggest problem is, it's cheaper to get more uranium than it > is to reprocess the spent fuel. They 'could' reprocess it, and > recover, maybe upwards of 75%, for further use as nuclear fuel; it > just costs more than getting more. So, they end up w/ quantities of > spent fuel, that has to be put somewhere. That's the issue. Unless > they can figure out how to convert that into stable arborium for > Kevlar, or something else useful, instead of sitting around in glass > or being shipped off to Yucca Mtn, well... > > FWIW -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Idaho Stop in NYC
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Kelly Sleeper wrote: > I just ride as though invisible. I don't know how I could possibly ride as though I were invisible. Where I live, there are lots of streets that don't have shoulders or bike lanes, and cars are faster than I am. And what about lights? Let's say I'm making a left turn at a light. I sit there in the left turn lane, waiting for the light to turn. If I were invisible, a following motorist who also wanted to turn left would crush me. I just don't understand how "ride as though you're invisible" works on a roads with other road users. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18
On Jan 19, 6:47 am, Tim McNamara wrote: > On Jan 19, 2011, at 7:26 AM, newenglandbike wrote: > > > The point about bicycle culture/laws in Holland, and the reasonability > > of incentives for commuting in a safe, non-polluting manner is > > something that's resonated with me for a long time. Sometimes I long > > to move to a place like that, but then I wonder why shouldn't I just > > try to be be more active in trying to help change happen here, which > > i'm woefully not and just riding a bike doesn't really do > > anything. > > Sure riding a bike makes a difference. If you're riding a bike in place of > driving a car, you're keeping about 1.1 pounds of carbon dioxide out of per > mile out of the atmosphere (if you have a ten mile round trip, that's about > 2200 pounds of CO2 per year). And that's only one greenhouse gas! > > You're an example to others, especially if you're not dressed like Alberto > Contador *and* you look like you're having fun. Someone may see you and say > "hey, that looks like fun. I could do that." We've got examples of that on > this very list, and it changed their lives for the better. (ow, here in > Minnesota when non-cyclists see cyclers going down the street with 3 foot > snowbanks and it's -10F, they just shake their heads and turn the heaters up > in the car. You can't have everything, I suppose). > > You get the health benefits of cycling: less fat, better cardiovascular > health, stronger muscles, better bones, a better brain. As someone who works > with the elderly, those benefits are not to be sneezed at. > > In short a bike is a miracle machine. It can save your life, improve your > quality of life, improve your health, improve America's energy security, > reduce the costs of road construction and maintenance, reduce pollution, > reduce long range health care costs... it's patriotic to ride a bike. When > you're out there, you are a shining example to others whether they are > looking or not. > > Have a great ride! Agree! I have a friend who moved out to the suburbs. He drives everywhere and probably fills up his Lexus at least twice a week! One day he asked me how do people ride bikes when its cold (40 degrees - yes, for those back east, that's a heatwave and they would be happy to ride naked, but in SF Bay Area, its considered cold!). He says it makes no sense to be out in the cold with wind blowing in your face and freezing your butt off. He would just as soon get back into his car and turn up the heater. I tried to explain to him the virtues of riding - fun, more green, fun, better health and fit, fun, save gas, fun, save money, funhis response: "The War is Over, Get Over it!" He thinks I'm nuts and nothing but a cheap-ass. Further, since I have to gas guzzling cars (my late wife's Toyota Sienna minivan and 20 year old BMW), any "green savings" is minimal. Admittedly, with two young girls and an elderly mother, I do drive more than I like, but that's it. Still, I only fill up ever couple of weeks and since I started commuting by bike, I do get some exercise that I wouldn't get if I drove or took public transit. My commute is only a few miles (10 miles roundtrip), but I do have a nice climb to get home and it feels good to sweat at the end of the day. I completely agree with Tim that riding is the best way to not only save your life, but improve its quality. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Idaho Stop in NYC
on 1/20/11 11:34 AM, Anne Paulson at anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Kelly Sleeper wrote: >> I just ride as though invisible. > > I don't know how I could possibly ride as though I were invisible. > Where I live, there are lots of streets that don't have shoulders or > bike lanes, and cars are faster than I am. > > And what about lights? Let's say I'm making a left turn at a light. I > sit there in the left turn lane, waiting for the light to turn. If I > were invisible, a following motorist who also wanted to turn left > would crush me. > > I just don't understand how "ride as though you're invisible" works on > a roads with other road users. I think he might mean - "ride as though no one sees you". But, if I'm assuming something I'll make an "um" out of "i" and "ng". My long-standing mantra is to ride as if everyone around me is going to do the worst possible thing at the least opportune moment. ...and I've always liked the Neal Stephenson quote below. - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here - http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com "I had to ride slow because I was taking my guerrilla route, the one I follow when I assume that everyone in a car is out to get me." -- Neal Stephenson, "Zodiac" -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Do we need a Hillborne Flickr group?
One pic added. Orange, though, not green. On Jan 20, 11:37 am, Earl Grey wrote: > Done. Add your Sam shots to "Rivendell Sam Hillborne" on flickr.com. > It doesn't show up yet in a group search, but hopefully will soon. > > Gernot > > On Jan 20, 9:44 pm, Norman wrote: > > > Or you could just have Other Rivendell Model Envy like the rest of us > > who can't afford to buy every one. > > > On Jan 20, 9:23 am, Montclair BobbyB > > wrote: > > > > Oh gee... now I'm going to have to buy a Hillborne... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Do we need a Hillborne Flickr group?
I added a few, all orange. On Jan 20, 11:59 am, Peter Pesce wrote: > One pic added. Orange, though, not green. > > On Jan 20, 11:37 am, Earl Grey wrote: > > > Done. Add your Sam shots to "Rivendell Sam Hillborne" on flickr.com. > > It doesn't show up yet in a group search, but hopefully will soon. > > > Gernot > > > On Jan 20, 9:44 pm, Norman wrote: > > > > Or you could just have Other Rivendell Model Envy like the rest of us > > > who can't afford to buy every one. > > > > On Jan 20, 9:23 am, Montclair BobbyB > > > wrote: > > > > > Oh gee... now I'm going to have to buy a Hillborne... > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Is the light surface rust on the clear powdered Riv's a long term problem?
Thanks Jim I just looking for a consensus. I agree im gonna ride the snot out of it, and use my pics as a reference. Im guessing it will be fine for a long time, but will keep an eye out in the meantime. On Jan 20, 10:02 am, CycloFiend wrote: > on 1/19/11 11:56 AM, williwoods at willh...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > Just curious if anyone agrees with various statements/opinions about > > the clear powdered Rivendell frames I have received on some other > > forums. > > "Rule One About Rivendells: Don't Talk About Rivendells on Other Forums..." > > ;^) > > Sorry... could _not_ resist that. > > > > > Personally im not too worried about it and I love the visual effect of > > the pattern (see link of pics I provided above), much prefer the > > texture over it being totally clean. > > I find it pretty interesting looking. That is a dynamite looking bicycle. > > > I havent had my frame long enough to know if the rust effect is > > growing over time or if its the same as it was when it left RBW HQ. > > Any other raw frame experiences? > > It's possible that people are confusing the idea of clear-coating frames > with clear powder coating. A few years back, there was a short-lived trend > to clear coat frames to show off the industrial nature of the TIG welds - > the discoloration and metal scorching being a kind of tribal tattoo of > toughness. > > This did not work well, as clear coating - the layer that you put over > traditional "wet" paint finishes - is semi-porous. That means that enough > air can get through to encourage the oxidation process. I saw frames go > from no rust to completely rusted in a few months. It was not slow. > > Clear powdercoat is different. It has much less permeability. I'd be > surprised if those rust areas changed much over years. > > As others mentioned, if you see a steel frame being put together, it's > amazing how much surface rust is visible. > > If it were mine, I'd take some photos and measurements and put it in a file > somewhere for reference. If I were worried, I might take it to a > framebuilder to have that person evaluate it directly. Someone who is > observing it directly and has familiarity with steel tubes and their > processes is who I'd trust. > > Then I'd go ride the heck out of the bicycle. Because it's steel, even _IF_ > that rust was going to cause failure, it's steel, and it would fail slowly > and predictably. > > - Jim > > -- > Jim Edgar > cyclofi...@earthlink.net > > Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com > Current Classics - Cross Bikes > Singlespeed - Working Bikes > > Gallery updates now appear here -http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com > > "I had to ride slow because I was taking my guerrilla route, the one I > follow when I assume that everyone in a car is out to get me." > -- Neal Stephenson, "Zodiac" -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] (Dumb) Mark's Rack Installation Question
I just got my Mark's Rack for my Canti hillborne and i can't figure out how to install the through fork bolt. my canti-hanger is in the way. any tricks for this that i'm missing? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] (Dumb) Mark's Rack Installation Question
get a longer cable hanger :) On Jan 20, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Minh wrote: > I just got my Mark's Rack for my Canti hillborne and i can't figure > out how to install the through fork bolt. my canti-hanger is in the > way. any tricks for this that i'm missing? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: (Dumb) Mark's Rack Installation Question
Hmm, so use a longer hanger so that it raises it up and the arm goes below the hanger? i thought with canti's you want to get the hanger as low as possible? Hrumph, alright, at least now i know it's just me. i'm using a hanger with the straddle cable integrated but i think i have a hanger yoke somewhere i can try, thanks! On Jan 20, 3:58 pm, andrew hill wrote: > get a longer cable hanger :) > > On Jan 20, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Minh wrote: > > > > > > > > > I just got my Mark's Rack for my Canti hillborne and i can't figure > > out how to install the through fork bolt. my canti-hanger is in the > > way. any tricks for this that i'm missing? > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18
Send it into space. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Seth Vidal Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:12:21 To: Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18 On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Leslie wrote: > IMHO, the biggest problem is, it's cheaper to get more uranium than it > is to reprocess the spent fuel. They 'could' reprocess it, and > recover, maybe upwards of 75%, for further use as nuclear fuel; it > just costs more than getting more. So, they end up w/ quantities of > spent fuel, that has to be put somewhere. That's the issue. Unless > they can figure out how to convert that into stable arborium for > Kevlar, or something else useful, instead of sitting around in glass > or being shipped off to Yucca Mtn, well... > the book "The world without us" by Alan Weisman: http://www.worldwithoutus.com/index2.html has a compelling chapter on the long-term storage of spent nuclear fuel and other toxic chemicals. The paragraphs on the linguists required to label the 'danger areas' with adequate warnings so that any intelligent life 1 years from now will know to stay away is fascinating. Well worth your time to read the book. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18
This thread seems to be veering off into political debate that may be seen by some (me, for example) as outside the scope of the group. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of zeidler.rob...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 4:05 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18 Send it into space. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Seth Vidal Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:12:21 To: Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18 On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Leslie wrote: > IMHO, the biggest problem is, it's cheaper to get more uranium than it > is to reprocess the spent fuel. They 'could' reprocess it, and > recover, maybe upwards of 75%, for further use as nuclear fuel; it > just costs more than getting more. So, they end up w/ quantities of > spent fuel, that has to be put somewhere. That's the issue. Unless > they can figure out how to convert that into stable arborium for > Kevlar, or something else useful, instead of sitting around in glass > or being shipped off to Yucca Mtn, well... > the book "The world without us" by Alan Weisman: http://www.worldwithoutus.com/index2.html has a compelling chapter on the long-term storage of spent nuclear fuel and other toxic chemicals. The paragraphs on the linguists required to label the 'danger areas' with adequate warnings so that any intelligent life 1 years from now will know to stay away is fascinating. Well worth your time to read the book. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18
Why are you trying to make Xenu mad at us? On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 1:04 PM, wrote: > Send it into space. > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: Seth Vidal > Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:12:21 > To: > Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18 > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Leslie wrote: > > IMHO, the biggest problem is, it's cheaper to get more uranium than it > > is to reprocess the spent fuel. They 'could' reprocess it, and > > recover, maybe upwards of 75%, for further use as nuclear fuel; it > > just costs more than getting more.So, they end up w/ quantities of > > spent fuel, that has to be put somewhere. That's the issue. Unless > > they can figure out how to convert that into stable arborium for > > Kevlar, or something else useful, instead of sitting around in glass > > or being shipped off to Yucca Mtn, well... > > > > the book "The world without us" by Alan Weisman: > > http://www.worldwithoutus.com/index2.html > > has a compelling chapter on the long-term storage of spent nuclear > fuel and other toxic chemicals. > > The paragraphs on the linguists required to label the 'danger areas' > with adequate warnings so that > any intelligent life 1 years from now will know to stay away is > fascinating. > > Well worth your time to read the book. > > -sv > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] (Dumb) Mark's Rack Installation Question
Raise the canti hanger... :-) Sent from my iPhone 4 On Jan 20, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Minh wrote: > I just got my Mark's Rack for my Canti hillborne and i can't figure > out how to install the through fork bolt. my canti-hanger is in the > way. any tricks for this that i'm missing? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Idaho Stop in NYC
> "I had to ride slow because I was taking my guerrilla route, the one I > follow when I assume that everyone in a car is out to get me." > -- Neal Stephenson, "Zodiac" That definitely should be my mantra. I have to take Fountain Ave, Eastside to the Westside, to work in LA. Part of my route is through many ethnically diverse communities and I notice that driving is different in the Eastern European communities than with others. I'm always honked at even if there are sharrow markings on the road. Riding that part of town is definitely a guerrilla route. I California stop at every stop sign if there's no cross traffic, right along with most of the cars. I'll stop at lights but if its 4 am and no one is coming, I'm running those too. I think most commuters are savvy enough to know when to stop completely or safely run through. I think it's kinda of dangerous to come to a complete stop at every stop sign if there's no cross traffic, cuz here in LA the cars ain't doing it and they can run you over if you do. Ness -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Do we need a Hillborne Flickr group?
Where is it? JimP > Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 11:59:18 -0800 > Subject: [RBW] Re: Do we need a Hillborne Flickr group? > From: petepe...@gmail.com > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > > One pic added. Orange, though, not green. > > On Jan 20, 11:37 am, Earl Grey wrote: > > Done. Add your Sam shots to "Rivendell Sam Hillborne" on flickr.com. > > It doesn't show up yet in a group search, but hopefully will soon. > > > > Gernot > > > > On Jan 20, 9:44 pm, Norman wrote: > > > > > Or you could just have Other Rivendell Model Envy like the rest of us > > > who can't afford to buy every one. > > > > > On Jan 20, 9:23 am, Montclair BobbyB > > > wrote: > > > > > > Oh gee... now I'm going to have to buy a Hillborne... > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Do we need a Hillborne Flickr group?
http://www.flickr.com/groups/1562320@N25/ On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 1:35 PM, jim phillips wrote: > Where is it? > > JimP > > > Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 11:59:18 -0800 > > Subject: [RBW] Re: Do we need a Hillborne Flickr group? > > From: petepe...@gmail.com > > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > > > > > One pic added. Orange, though, not green. > > > > On Jan 20, 11:37 am, Earl Grey wrote: > > > Done. Add your Sam shots to "Rivendell Sam Hillborne" on flickr.com. > > > It doesn't show up yet in a group search, but hopefully will soon. > > > > > > Gernot > > > > > > On Jan 20, 9:44 pm, Norman wrote: > > > > > > > Or you could just have Other Rivendell Model Envy like the rest of us > > > > who can't afford to buy every one. > > > > > > > On Jan 20, 9:23 am, Montclair BobbyB > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Oh gee... now I'm going to have to buy a Hillborne... > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset!
http://store.somafab.com/suoxcoplrocr.html Soma Fab actually has the Sugino OX801D in stock. Crankset and BB for a whopping $529. Way too expensive for many of us, and too spaceshippy looking for many of us. That's about what I thought it would cost. Somebody building a totally tricked-out Roadeo should run these and show them off. High-end road bits can still be carbon-free if they want to be. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Do we need a Hillborne Flickr group?
Found it: http://www.flickr.com/groups/1562320@N25/ Of course, Earl can modify the URL so it's easy to link to. Thanks Earl! Marty On Jan 20, 3:35 pm, jim phillips wrote: > Where is it? > > JimP > > > Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 11:59:18 -0800 > > Subject: [RBW] Re: Do we need a Hillborne Flickr group? > > From: petepe...@gmail.com > > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > > > One pic added. Orange, though, not green. > > > On Jan 20, 11:37 am, Earl Grey wrote: > > > Done. Add your Sam shots to "Rivendell Sam Hillborne" on flickr.com. > > > It doesn't show up yet in a group search, but hopefully will soon. > > > > Gernot > > > > On Jan 20, 9:44 pm, Norman wrote: > > > > > Or you could just have Other Rivendell Model Envy like the rest of us > > > > who can't afford to buy every one. > > > > > On Jan 20, 9:23 am, Montclair BobbyB > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Oh gee... now I'm going to have to buy a Hillborne... > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset!
180mm? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: William Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:40:17 To: RBW Owners Bunch Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset! http://store.somafab.com/suoxcoplrocr.html Soma Fab actually has the Sugino OX801D in stock. Crankset and BB for a whopping $529. Way too expensive for many of us, and too spaceshippy looking for many of us. That's about what I thought it would cost. Somebody building a totally tricked-out Roadeo should run these and show them off. High-end road bits can still be carbon-free if they want to be. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset!
180? Ha! Sugino doesn't even make them in 177.5mm To add insult to injury, they not only make them in 172.5mm (my size), they also make them in the vastly underrated 167.5mm. There should be a Clydesdale uprising to storm the gates of Sugino! On Jan 20, 1:42 pm, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: > 180mm? > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: William > > Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:40:17 > To: RBW Owners Bunch > Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Subject: [RBW] Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset! > > http://store.somafab.com/suoxcoplrocr.html > > Soma Fab actually has the Sugino OX801D in stock. Crankset and BB for > a whopping $529. Way too expensive for many of us, and too > spaceshippy looking for many of us. That's about what I thought it > would cost. Somebody building a totally tricked-out Roadeo should run > these and show them off. High-end road bits can still be carbon-free > if they want to be. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: (Dumb) Mark's Rack Installation Question
In my defense, it's actually not the hanger but the straddle cable/ wire. mine's integrated, so it's fixed length, and the brakes are low profile so it naturally wants to sit pretty low. i'll see what i can do, but raising the straddle cable, seems like that would make the brakes mushy sorry it's been awhile since i dealt with canti-brakes On Jan 20, 3:58 pm, Rene Sterental wrote: > Raise the canti hanger... :-) > > Sent from my iPhone 4 > > On Jan 20, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Minh wrote: > > > > > > > > > I just got my Mark's Rack for my Canti hillborne and i can't figure > > out how to install the through fork bolt. my canti-hanger is in the > > way. any tricks for this that i'm missing? > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: (Dumb) Mark's Rack Installation Question
For a Cantilever Hillborne you should not be running a Mark's Rack. You should be running a Nitto Mini Front. Even Mark, who invented the Mark's Rack, uses a Nitto Mini Front for his bikes with Cantilevers. Stop installing, return it, and get the right rack. Or save the Mark's Rack for a bike with caliper brakes. On Jan 20, 1:48 pm, Minh wrote: > In my defense, it's actually not the hanger but the straddle cable/ > wire. mine's integrated, so it's fixed length, and the brakes are low > profile so it naturally wants to sit pretty low. i'll see what i can > do, but raising the straddle cable, seems like that would make the > brakes mushy > > sorry it's been awhile since i dealt with canti-brakes > > On Jan 20, 3:58 pm, Rene Sterental wrote: > > > Raise the canti hanger... :-) > > > Sent from my iPhone 4 > > > On Jan 20, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Minh wrote: > > > > I just got my Mark's Rack for my Canti hillborne and i can't figure > > > out how to install the through fork bolt. my canti-hanger is in the > > > way. any tricks for this that i'm missing? > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > For more options, visit this group > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: (Dumb) Mark's Rack Installation Question
I had to go back and check, and while i do see that note on the Nitto Mini page, the description for the Mark's Rack doesn't exclude if for a canti-bike. And looking at the pictures, i'd still have the same problem. I'm running low-profile brakes and the integrated straddle cable is much lower then in the picture (with the high-profile IRD). So maybe a note about low-profile canti-brakes would be appropriate but i still would like to use the Mark's as i like the look a lot better then the Nitto Mini (which also matters to me). On Jan 20, 4:51 pm, William wrote: > For a Cantilever Hillborne you should not be running a Mark's Rack. > You should be running a Nitto Mini Front. Even Mark, who invented the > Mark's Rack, uses a Nitto Mini Front for his bikes with Cantilevers. > Stop installing, return it, and get the right rack. Or save the > Mark's Rack for a bike with caliper brakes. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset!
To war! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: William Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:47:46 To: RBW Owners Bunch Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset! 180? Ha! Sugino doesn't even make them in 177.5mm To add insult to injury, they not only make them in 172.5mm (my size), they also make them in the vastly underrated 167.5mm. There should be a Clydesdale uprising to storm the gates of Sugino! On Jan 20, 1:42 pm, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: > 180mm? > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: William > > Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:40:17 > To: RBW Owners Bunch > Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Subject: [RBW] Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset! > > http://store.somafab.com/suoxcoplrocr.html > > Soma Fab actually has the Sugino OX801D in stock. Crankset and BB for > a whopping $529. Way too expensive for many of us, and too > spaceshippy looking for many of us. That's about what I thought it > would cost. Somebody building a totally tricked-out Roadeo should run > these and show them off. High-end road bits can still be carbon-free > if they want to be. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: MISC items for sale. Bar end shifters, MUSA, Nitto
Price drop: Knickers: $50 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Do we need a Hillborne Flickr group?
Soon, I'll be able to add my own pics. I just pulled the trigger on a Hillborne frameset and will spend the next month or so diligently building it up. Thanks Jim T. In the meantime, I can use this flickr group to vet my build ideas. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: (Dumb) Mark's Rack Installation Question
Minh, I've played with straddle cable lengths and hanger heights a bit, and if you stay really close to where you are but just ensure the hanger doesn't interfere with the rack, you shouldn't notice any big difference. I ordered straddle cables from JensonUSA and/or from Speedgoat a while back and worst case you'd be replacing the straddle cable and the cable hanger, which you can also buy separately. René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Idaho Stop in NYC
Well I also mention taking a lane when needed. By riding as though invisible I mean I just assume nobody sees me. Even if I stop at a stop sign and have right away I'm not going till I've made eye contact and know for sure cross traffic is stopping. I don't make a right turn into traffic if it means a car has to hit brakes to avoid me etc. For every rule there is an exception. Guess what I'm saying is .. Idaho stop, new York stop, or even the Missouri roll if I ride safe for me then the worst outcome I have to worry about is a ticket.. and that just doesn't happen enough to be a concern. At a left turn light.. I have a mirror.. and I can see if the car car approaching in that lane is slowing or not. I'm ready to get out of the way.. though except for the busiest of streets I would have already run the light if I had an opening. Point being I try to as much as possible stay out of the way, aware and defensive.. I ride like I won't be seen/invisible to the other people on the roadways as much as humanly possible reducing my risk. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Paulson Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:34 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Idaho Stop in NYC On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Kelly Sleeper wrote: > I just ride as though invisible. I don't know how I could possibly ride as though I were invisible. Where I live, there are lots of streets that don't have shoulders or bike lanes, and cars are faster than I am. And what about lights? Let's say I'm making a left turn at a light. I sit there in the left turn lane, waiting for the light to turn. If I were invisible, a following motorist who also wanted to turn left would crush me. I just don't understand how "ride as though you're invisible" works on a roads with other road users. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Idaho Stop in NYC
On Jan 20, 10:25 am, William wrote: > I think the comment that missed the mark was BSNYC's. I think he too > would advocate, and practices, the Idaho stop when the situation calls > for it. But his comment was more of a hardline. Just to clarify: the BikeSnob post mentioned was actually about not having a cow over getting a ticket in the midst of a NYC crackdown on "scofflaw" cyclists: If you don't want a ticket, follow the rules until the crackdown's over. Especially if a stop sign has five cops by it, waiting to ticket cyclists... I think the Idaho Stop is what most people do. I do it. I try to ride safely, and with courtesy to my fellow road-users, but I reject the idea that I must be a "credit" to my cycling brethren (and sistern). Philip Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: (Dumb) Mark's Rack Installation Question
Which canti brakes do you have? Low profile or high profile? integrated straddle hangers suck for this reason alone. integrated hangers were made for ease of assembly not for flexibility in setup. Get a non integrated straddle hanger or if you have low profile brakes go with high profile brakes which allow a higher straddle cable placement. On my high profile cantis have the straddle hanger placed at about the bottom headset cup (650b wheel) well out of the way to cause interference. Braking performance is fantastic snappy and no feeling of sponge. On Jan 20, 2:02 pm, Minh wrote: > I had to go back and check, and while i do see that note on the Nitto > Mini page, the description for the Mark's Rack doesn't exclude if for > a canti-bike. And looking at the pictures, i'd still have the same > problem. I'm running low-profile brakes and the integrated straddle > cable is much lower then in the picture (with the high-profile IRD). > > So maybe a note about low-profile canti-brakes would be appropriate > but i still would like to use the Mark's as i like the look a lot > better then the Nitto Mini (which also matters to me). > > On Jan 20, 4:51 pm, William wrote: > > > > > For a Cantilever Hillborne you should not be running a Mark's Rack. > > You should be running a Nitto Mini Front. Even Mark, who invented the > > Mark's Rack, uses a Nitto Mini Front for his bikes with Cantilevers. > > Stop installing, return it, and get the right rack. Or save the > > Mark's Rack for a bike with caliper brakes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18
This is a fantastic discussion!! No one is calling any names, and we are orbiting around the bicycle in our discussion. On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J wrote: > This thread seems to be veering off into political debate that may be seen by > some (me, for example) as outside the scope of the group. > > -Original Message- > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > zeidler.rob...@gmail.com > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 4:05 PM > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18 > > Send it into space. > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: Seth Vidal > Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:12:21 > To: > Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18 > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Leslie wrote: >> IMHO, the biggest problem is, it's cheaper to get more uranium than it >> is to reprocess the spent fuel. They 'could' reprocess it, and >> recover, maybe upwards of 75%, for further use as nuclear fuel; it >> just costs more than getting more. So, they end up w/ quantities of >> spent fuel, that has to be put somewhere. That's the issue. Unless >> they can figure out how to convert that into stable arborium for >> Kevlar, or something else useful, instead of sitting around in glass >> or being shipped off to Yucca Mtn, well... >> > > the book "The world without us" by Alan Weisman: > > http://www.worldwithoutus.com/index2.html > > has a compelling chapter on the long-term storage of spent nuclear fuel and > other toxic chemicals. > > The paragraphs on the linguists required to label the 'danger areas' > with adequate warnings so that > any intelligent life 1 years from now will know to stay away is > fascinating. > > Well worth your time to read the book. > > -sv > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > > -- > > > To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you > that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained > in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, > for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal > Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) > promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters > addressed herein. > > > > This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the > addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or > confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this > email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or > copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. > If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) > 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any > email) and any printout thereof. > > Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their > professional qualifications will be provided upon request. > > == > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visi
[RBW] Re: Idaho Stop in NYC
> Regarding the "many urban riders", the other part of Grant's editorial > that hasn't come up was the notion that "bad apple" riders ignoring > the traffic laws somehow "ruins it for the rest of us". Grant called > that notion into question, and I think he has a good point. It caused > me to rethink the ire I feel for delinquent riders who blow through > stop signs in traffic. I definitely don't approve of it, but now I'm > not so sure that it somehow reflects poorly on me. Well, I certainly do not think miscreant riders (or people who wear spandex while riding ; ) ) reflect on me personally either. It does not make me think less of the person who pulls out of a side road or in front of me against a light forcing me to take evasive action. Especially on streets where my options are avoiding the bike or avoiding a car. On Jan 20, 1:16 pm, William wrote: > For the record, I'm not an anarchist. I'll repeat what I said: "In > Manhattan, at 3AM, when there's not another car on the road, Idaho > stop YES!" If there are cars on the road, then you are in traffic, > follow the traffic laws. That's what makes sense. > > ANY situation where there are ZERO other vehicles of any kind, I > advocate cyclists treating stop signs and red lights as yield signs. > ANY situation where there are ANY other vehicles of any kind, I > advocate cyclists treating stop signs as stop signs and red lights as > red lights. > > I expect in Manhattan, this will very rarely come up, but it's not > never. > > When there is not another car on the road, and I'm stopped at the red > light, and it does not change to green because my bike doesn't have > the mass to trigger the magnetic sensor, you are telling me that going > ahead and riding on will cause society to "generally descend into > chaos"? Of course it won't. That's as far as I take it. > > Regarding the "many urban riders", the other part of Grant's editorial > that hasn't come up was the notion that "bad apple" riders ignoring > the traffic laws somehow "ruins it for the rest of us". Grant called > that notion into question, and I think he has a good point. It caused > me to rethink the ire I feel for delinquent riders who blow through > stop signs in traffic. I definitely don't approve of it, but now I'm > not so sure that it somehow reflects poorly on me. > > On Jan 20, 10:55 am, JoelMatthews wrote: > > > > > > I think the Idaho stop makes sense EVERYWHERE that it makes sense. > > > Who decides where it makes sense? Unfortunately there are many urban > > riders who appear to think an Idaho stop makes sense if traffic with > > the right of way theoretically can brake fast enough to avoid T-boning > > or rear ending them. > > > In busy cities like New York (there are many places in Manhattan with > > traffic even at 3:00 a.m. - not called the city that never sleeps for > > nothing) affording people the liberty to decide generally descends > > into chaos. Even if only 1 in 10 rider is a jerk, the numbers are > > dense enough that you have a lot of jerks. > > > On Jan 20, 12:25 pm, William wrote: > > > > I think the Idaho stop makes sense EVERYWHERE that it makes sense. In > > > Manhattan, at 3AM, when there's not another car on the road, Idaho > > > stop YES! In Couer d'Alene Idaho, when you approach a stop sign with > > > a long line of cars waiting in the crossing direction, Idaho stop NO! > > > I think the comment that missed the mark was BSNYC's. I think he too > > > would advocate, and practices, the Idaho stop when the situation calls > > > for it. But his comment was more of a hardline. There are many > > > traffic signals that aren't triggered by bikes. The left turn lane > > > from Industrial Parkway to Dixon that takes me to the South Hayward > > > BART station won't trigger with a bike. When I'm out in that left > > > turn lane, I can wait 3, 4, 5 green light cycles, and the left turn > > > arrow will never trigger unless a car gets in the left turn lane with > > > me. I'd be stuck there for hours, or be forced to dismount, scamper > > > across and hit the WALK button. Instead I do a version of the Idaho > > > stop, and treat a green light as an unprotected left and get on with > > > my life. According to BSNYC's comment yesterday, I break the law when > > > I do that and should stop. I think Grant and I are in the same boat > > > on this. Use your brain, do what is safe and makes sense for the > > > situation. > > > > On Jan 19, 10:47 pm, grant wrote: > > > > > It doesn't make sense in NYC which is why it's the Idaho Stop. When > > > > traffic is thick, the drivers are mean, and you're expected to stop, > > > > you better stop. The key to the success of the Idaho Stop is that > > > > Idaho Drivers are kept on their toes, and there's just less traffic > > > > there. I rode a big ol' group ride in Boise a couple of years ago, and > > > > was thrilled with the sparseness of traffic. The I.S. worked great. I > > > > bet it would work in other
[RBW] Re: (Dumb) Mark's Rack Installation Question
I have two of each, and the Mini is definitely the stronger and stiffer one, but I think that's obvious just looking at them. How ever high you need to raise your straddle to clear the Nitto Mini, you'll have to go 1 or 2cm higher to clear the Mark's. On Jan 20, 2:02 pm, Minh wrote: > I had to go back and check, and while i do see that note on the Nitto > Mini page, the description for the Mark's Rack doesn't exclude if for > a canti-bike. And looking at the pictures, i'd still have the same > problem. I'm running low-profile brakes and the integrated straddle > cable is much lower then in the picture (with the high-profile IRD). > > So maybe a note about low-profile canti-brakes would be appropriate > but i still would like to use the Mark's as i like the look a lot > better then the Nitto Mini (which also matters to me). > > On Jan 20, 4:51 pm, William wrote: > > > For a Cantilever Hillborne you should not be running a Mark's Rack. > > You should be running a Nitto Mini Front. Even Mark, who invented the > > Mark's Rack, uses a Nitto Mini Front for his bikes with Cantilevers. > > Stop installing, return it, and get the right rack. Or save the > > Mark's Rack for a bike with caliper brakes. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: (Dumb) Mark's Rack Installation Question
The Nitto M12 is also a suitable option for a canti brake bike ( of course you have to get the special brake bolts too.) ~mike On Jan 20, 2:35 pm, williwoods wrote: > Which canti brakes do you have? Low profile or high profile? > integrated straddle hangers suck for this reason alone. integrated > hangers were made for ease of assembly not for flexibility in setup. > > Get a non integrated straddle hanger or if you have low profile brakes > go with high profile brakes which allow a higher straddle cable > placement. > > On my high profile cantis have the straddle hanger placed at about > the bottom headset cup (650b wheel) well out of the way to cause > interference. Braking performance is fantastic snappy and no feeling > of sponge. > > On Jan 20, 2:02 pm, Minh wrote: > > > > > I had to go back and check, and while i do see that note on the Nitto > > Mini page, the description for the Mark's Rack doesn't exclude if for > > a canti-bike. And looking at the pictures, i'd still have the same > > problem. I'm running low-profile brakes and the integrated straddle > > cable is much lower then in the picture (with the high-profile IRD). > > > So maybe a note about low-profile canti-brakes would be appropriate > > but i still would like to use the Mark's as i like the look a lot > > better then the Nitto Mini (which also matters to me). > > > On Jan 20, 4:51 pm, William wrote: > > > > For a Cantilever Hillborne you should not be running a Mark's Rack. > > > You should be running a Nitto Mini Front. Even Mark, who invented the > > > Mark's Rack, uses a Nitto Mini Front for his bikes with Cantilevers. > > > Stop installing, return it, and get the right rack. Or save the > > > Mark's Rack for a bike with caliper brakes.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: (Dumb) Mark's Rack Installation Question
Hi all, yep, thanks for the tips, all i had to do was replace the integrated straddle wire with a separate yoke (not sure why i had it, i think it's been in the parts box for like 10+ years, i wasn't sure what it was for a long time!), it got the straddle cable a lot higher, which also made the brake feel a lot stiffer--actually too stiff, i need to adjust that. on a related note, does anyone have a reasonable source to pick up the allen bolts that are generally useful for bikes? I think they're M4 ? With the fenders, front/rear racks, i've run through my surplus and the bolts from home-depot just don't look right -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: MISC items for sale. Bar end shifters, MUSA, Nitto
Keep this price drop thing going on and I'll figure out if I'm a 23 percenter. I've never in all my years of cycling had a pair, but I'll try anything for the right price. On Jan 20, 4:14 pm, jinxed wrote: > Price drop: > > Knickers: $50 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: (Dumb) Mark's Rack Installation Question
I have a hardware store near me that stocks a LARGE selection of metric stainless steel fasteners. Its one of those Mom & Pop kinds of places thats not the most visible that only the hardcore locals seem to know about thats also been around for ages. call any hardware store near you and ask who locally stocks metric stainless steel fasteners. There should be something around you and it wont be ace hardware. Will On Jan 20, 3:39 pm, Minh wrote: > Hi all, yep, thanks for the tips, all i had to do was replace the > integrated straddle wire with a separate yoke (not sure why i had it, > i think it's been in the parts box for like 10+ years, i wasn't sure > what it was for a long time!), it got the straddle cable a lot higher, > which also made the brake feel a lot stiffer--actually too stiff, i > need to adjust that. > > on a related note, does anyone have a reasonable source to pick up the > allen bolts that are generally useful for bikes? I think they're M4 ? > With the fenders, front/rear racks, i've run through my surplus and > the bolts from home-depot just don't look right -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Do Employers Encourage Bike Commuting? (Was Rivbike Editorial)
I started commuting by bike and Caltrain from Palo Alto to Santa Clara and now to North San Jose since I moved here from Venezuela. I've done it on and off but mostly on a regular basis since the second half of 2009. While I try to do it every day, in practice it turns out to be 3 - 4 weekdays and then I get in some riding on the weekends as well. When I worked in a cube, I was able to find empty cubes nearby where I could leave my bike. I've had an office for the past 4 - 5 years so now my bike is a staple in my office and my co-workers notice when it's not there. We are allowed jeans at work, but early when I got my office I used a file cabinet to leave clean clothes in my office so I wouldn't have to carry them with me. I have to say that I'm yet to commute in regular clothing as I've always found it uncomfortable when sweaty. Now that I'm losing weight that might start changing for errand rides, but not likely for commute rides. Since we moved to North San Jose (near the airport) two things changed; our new offices don't have blinds so I cannot change clothes inside my office even with the door closed, but the new facility has a very nice shower/locker room and I've taken possesion of several lockers (few people use it) to store my shoes, pants, underwear and shirts so I always have fresh clothes to put on. In the mornings I just wait a bit to cool off while I start checking e-mails and eat my breakfast (usually boiled eggs I bring from home) and then just simply change into my work clothes as I'm already dry. I shower at home in the mornings so I'm clean and have also discovered (Rivendell benefit) that wool doesn't smell so that is not a problem at all. If I have no time to cool-off and/or possibly in the summer, then I take a cool refreshing shower at work and feel completely reborn after the ride. My current commute is 15 minutes (2.3 miles) from my house to the Caltrain Station in downtown Palo Alto; train ride to downtown San Jose and then 30 minutes (5.5 miles) along the Guadalupe Trail to my company location. I then do the reverse in the evening, sometimes taking a train that will drop me off in Menlo Park instead so it's 21 minutes (4 miles) for some added riding. Occasionally I ride the whole distance to work which is around 15.5 miles and takes me around 90 minutes. My goal is to increase the number of mornings when I do this as essentially it takes the same overall time to do the Caltrain commute until I do this every morning and take the train back in the evenings when the headwinds are pretty strong. One day... I'll be riding both ways on the same day on a regular basis... Unfortunately only 3 or 4 people out of aproximately 400 commute by bicycle in my company. René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Do we need a Hillborne Flickr group?
Gernot, thanks for taking the time to start the group. All ready there's a great collection of images up. I like having the big main group but it's nice to have specialized groups to. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: (Dumb) Mark's Rack Installation Question
I get them at Osh Hardware in Palo Alto... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Different weather for different folks
Fair weather riders- Here are a few pictures of my winter ride, 66cm Bilenky with S & S couplers, outfitted with studded tires for traction on icy roads and bike paths. Only a short 7 mile ride outside after snow blowing drive for 45 minutes early afternoon. Cold weather will push me inside on the trainer the next few day highs expected in single digits with wind chills in the negative teens. Still love all the seasons but enjoy cycling more in the fall and summer along West Michigan roadways. Ryan http://gallery.me.com/hankinson10/100248/DSC06139. http://gallery.me.com/hankinson10/100248/DSC06141. http://gallery.me.com/hankinson10/100248/DSC06142. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Do we need a Hillborne Flickr group?
It's shaping up to be a nice group. We have three different types of handlebars represented already. I'm sure that could get to five. Thanks Gernot! -Original Message- >From: Mike Irwin >Sent: Jan 20, 2011 2:14 PM >To: RBW Owners Bunch >Subject: [RBW] Re: Do we need a Hillborne Flickr group? > >Soon, I'll be able to add my own pics. I just pulled the trigger on a >Hillborne frameset and will spend the next month or so diligently >building it up. Thanks Jim T. In the meantime, I can use this flickr >group to vet my build ideas. > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW >Owners Bunch" group. >To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Do Employers Encourage Bike Commuting? (Was Rivbike Editorial)
I think it would be a great idea if on the Rivendell site they would add some pictures of new bikes in commuting mode - maybe some nice shots around SF - by a cable car, around FW etc...right now there are mainly off road pictures and camping pictures. While I am a bike camper, that is a very, very small market. If more commuting type pictures and maybe a section on commuting - what you need to commute to work etc..were added to the site it might influence a few more folks to try it out. Another aspect that should be addressed: If you commute to work by bike, you save money...easily $50-$100 a month. No other bike activity that I know of will actually payoff like that. If you are a regular commuter, you could pay off a Hillborne in a couple of years. Or, you could easily justify getting that new bag or rack. Joel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: European Hillborne Tour
http://www.phred.org/mailman/listinfo/touring On Jan 20, 8:57 am, Adam wrote: > Greetings All, > > I am planning a European tour for about a month this summer on my > Hillborne. I have quite a few questions and wonder if anyone here > knows of a more on-topic list serve to direct my questions towards. > > Cheers, > Adam -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Do we need a Hillborne Flickr group?
I'll add my greenie/canti sometime soon. -- Forrest On Jan 20, 6:43 pm, James Warren wrote: > It's shaping up to be a nice group. We have three different types of > handlebars represented already. I'm sure that could get to five. Thanks > Gernot! > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > >From: Mike Irwin > >Sent: Jan 20, 2011 2:14 PM > >To: RBW Owners Bunch > >Subject: [RBW] Re: Do we need a Hillborne Flickr group? > > >Soon, I'll be able to add my own pics. I just pulled the trigger on a > >Hillborne frameset and will spend the next month or so diligently > >building it up. Thanks Jim T. In the meantime, I can use this flickr > >group to vet my build ideas. > > >-- > >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >"RBW Owners Bunch" group. > >To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >For more options, visit this group > >athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Different weather for different folks
I have a Bilenky coming in March Interestingly long chainstays. How do you like it? RGZ On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Abcyclehank wrote: > Fair weather riders- > Here are a few pictures of my winter ride, 66cm Bilenky with S & S > couplers, outfitted with studded tires for traction on icy roads and > bike paths. Only a short 7 mile ride outside after snow blowing drive > for 45 minutes early afternoon. Cold weather will push me inside on > the trainer the next few day highs expected in single digits with wind > chills in the negative teens. Still love all the seasons but enjoy > cycling more in the fall and summer along West Michigan roadways. > > Ryan > > http://gallery.me.com/hankinson10/100248/DSC06139. > http://gallery.me.com/hankinson10/100248/DSC06141. > http://gallery.me.com/hankinson10/100248/DSC06142. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Do we need a Hillborne Flickr group?
Thanks, Marty. Didn't know I could do that. The new URL alias is http://www.flickr.com/groups/hillborne/ Cheers, Gernot On Jan 21, 4:42 am, Marty wrote: > Found it: > > http://www.flickr.com/groups/1562320@N25/ > > Of course, Earl can modify the URL so it's easy to link to. > > Thanks Earl! > > Marty > > On Jan 20, 3:35 pm, jim phillips wrote: > > > > > Where is it? > > > JimP > > > > Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 11:59:18 -0800 > > > Subject: [RBW] Re: Do we need a Hillborne Flickr group? > > > From: petepe...@gmail.com > > > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > > > > One pic added. Orange, though, not green. > > > > On Jan 20, 11:37 am, Earl Grey wrote: > > > > Done. Add your Sam shots to "Rivendell Sam Hillborne" on flickr.com. > > > > It doesn't show up yet in a group search, but hopefully will soon. > > > > > Gernot > > > > > On Jan 20, 9:44 pm, Norman wrote: > > > > > > Or you could just have Other Rivendell Model Envy like the rest of us > > > > > who can't afford to buy every one. > > > > > > On Jan 20, 9:23 am, Montclair BobbyB > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Oh gee... now I'm going to have to buy a Hillborne... > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > For more options, visit this group > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Different weather for different folks
First season with it, so not much time to truly assess it. However it was purchased and meets needs perfectly for a steel ride that can handle harsh winter conditions. This keeps my fair weather bike, a 71cm Nobilette custom, out of the roughest elements the Midwest can offer. After riding various bikes that have just been two small, 62-64cm, for the previous decade or so, I have just evolved/converted to Riv sizing, comfort, and velosophy. This Bilenky at it's size matches closely and I expect you will find the same with yours when it arrives in the near future. Sincerely, Ryan On Jan 20, 9:06 pm, robert zeidler wrote: > I have a Bilenky coming in March Interestingly long chainstays. How > do you like it? > > RGZ > > > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Abcyclehank wrote: > > Fair weather riders- > > Here are a few pictures of my winter ride, 66cm Bilenky with S & S > > couplers, outfitted with studded tires for traction on icy roads and > > bike paths. Only a short 7 mile ride outside after snow blowing drive > > for 45 minutes early afternoon. Cold weather will push me inside on > > the trainer the next few day highs expected in single digits with wind > > chills in the negative teens. Still love all the seasons but enjoy > > cycling more in the fall and summer along West Michigan roadways. > > > Ryan > > >http://gallery.me.com/hankinson10/100248/DSC06139. > >http://gallery.me.com/hankinson10/100248/DSC06141. > >http://gallery.me.com/hankinson10/100248/DSC06142. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset!
Just curious, do any of you folks subscribe to Kirby Palm's crank length formula: http://www.nettally.com/palmk/crankset.html Makes intuitive sense to me, but with my shortish 83PBH I should be using a 179mm crank! My first real bike had a 175mm crank (Fisher monster cross) and I have stuck with that length because it is the closest in length among the commonly available sizes. In a way I guess I am splitting the difference between the conventional wisdom and Kirby Palm's radical formula. Seems to work for me, but haven't tried anything else! Cheers, Gernot On Jan 21, 5:02 am, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: > To war! > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > > > -Original Message- > From: William > > Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:47:46 > To: RBW Owners Bunch > Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Subject: [RBW] Re: Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset! > > 180? Ha! Sugino doesn't even make them in 177.5mm > > To add insult to injury, they not only make them in 172.5mm (my size), > they also make them in the vastly underrated 167.5mm. There should be > a Clydesdale uprising to storm the gates of Sugino! > > On Jan 20, 1:42 pm, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: > > 180mm? > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > > -Original Message- > > From: William > > > Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > > Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:40:17 > > To: RBW Owners Bunch > > Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > > Subject: [RBW] Oh snap! Now you can buy the ultimate crankset! > > >http://store.somafab.com/suoxcoplrocr.html > > > Soma Fab actually has the Sugino OX801D in stock. Crankset and BB for > > a whopping $529. Way too expensive for many of us, and too > > spaceshippy looking for many of us. That's about what I thought it > > would cost. Somebody building a totally tricked-out Roadeo should run > > these and show them off. High-end road bits can still be carbon-free > > if they want to be. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
