[RBW] Tail wagging the dog?

[Shakesbiker]

I am sorely tempted to buy the ultimate touring wheelset available
from the Riv. web specials site.   It would be used to convert  27" to
the more readily available 700 wheels on an old Centurion Pro Tour.
My dilema?  Since I recently bought a  (new to me) Saluki, I had
planned on relogating the Centurion to a commuting / rain bike. The
wheels with Phil hub and Schmidt Son 28 would be worth a lot more than
the bike. Am I foolish?
Thoughts and/or advise would be appreciated.
Thanks
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[RBW] Re: Tail wagging the dog?

[Angus]

The wheelset listed has a 135mm width rear hubprobably not what an
old Centurion Pro Tour with 27 inch rims would use.

I have Phil Hubs on my commuter; they last a good long time and
bearings are easy to change when their time comes.

My philosophy with my commuting bike is to; use parts I have on hand,
extract every last penny of useful life out of a part, replace it with
something good and durable.

Angus

On May 30, 4:50 am, Shakesbiker  wrote:
> I am sorely tempted to buy the ultimate touring wheelset available
> from the Riv. web specials site.   It would be used to convert  27" to
> the more readily available 700 wheels on an old Centurion Pro Tour.
> My dilema?  Since I recently bought a  (new to me) Saluki, I had
> planned on relogating the Centurion to a commuting / rain bike. The
> wheels with Phil hub and Schmidt Son 28 would be worth a lot more than
> the bike. Am I foolish?
> Thoughts and/or advise would be appreciated.
> Thanks
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[RBW] Re: Tail wagging the dog?

[Marty]

Years ago, a sage bike guy told me "man...it's all about the wheels
and the motor!" (think 70s man...) I never forgot that. Not to say the
frame is not important, (as long as it fits) and I'm in not position
to debate the motor issue - especially when I look in the mirror, but
nice wheels do somehow make a good bike better, and a great bike sing.
(And when you come across a killer deal on another nu-to-u Riv frame
to replace the Centurion - yer all set!)

On May 30, 5:50 am, Shakesbiker  wrote:
> I am sorely tempted to buy the ultimate touring wheelset available
> from the Riv. web specials site.   It would be used to convert  27" to
> the more readily available 700 wheels on an old Centurion Pro Tour.
> My dilema?  Since I recently bought a  (new to me) Saluki, I had
> planned on relogating the Centurion to a commuting / rain bike. The
> wheels with Phil hub and Schmidt Son 28 would be worth a lot more than
> the bike. Am I foolish?
> Thoughts and/or advise would be appreciated.
> Thanks
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[RBW] Re: Tail wagging the dog?

[GeorgeS]

I used to use an old racing bike as a commuter.  It wasn't comfortable
and required lots of attention.  I have come around to the view that,
since I'm on the commuter every day and probably spend more time on it
than any of my other bikes, I should use the best stuff for that
purpose that I can afford.  On my current commuter, I've got a well-
used B17, good 26" wheels with Marathon XR tires and a Rohloff hub.

On May 30, 4:50 am, Shakesbiker  wrote:
> I am sorely tempted to buy the ultimate touring wheelset available
> from the Riv. web specials site.   It would be used to convert  27" to
> the more readily available 700 wheels on an old Centurion Pro Tour.
> My dilema?  Since I recently bought a  (new to me) Saluki, I had
> planned on relogating the Centurion to a commuting / rain bike. The
> wheels with Phil hub and Schmidt Son 28 would be worth a lot more than
> the bike. Am I foolish?
> Thoughts and/or advise would be appreciated.
> Thanks
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[RBW] Re: Tail wagging the dog?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Of course you're fooliish! But we're long past concerning ourselves
with that!

Perhaps a better course would be to order a set of custom wheels from
Riv, Peter White, me, etc. That way, you can have a choice of rims and
you can get a Phil freewheel hub that matches the spacing of your
Centurion.

Jim

On May 30, 4:50 am, Shakesbiker  wrote:
> I am sorely tempted to buy the ultimate touring wheelset available
> from the Riv. web specials site.   It would be used to convert  27" to
> the more readily available 700 wheels on an old Centurion Pro Tour.
> My dilema?  Since I recently bought a  (new to me) Saluki, I had
> planned on relogating the Centurion to a commuting / rain bike. The
> wheels with Phil hub and Schmidt Son 28 would be worth a lot more than
> the bike. Am I foolish?
> Thoughts and/or advise would be appreciated.
> Thanks
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[RBW] Re: Tail wagging the dog?

[JoelMatthews]

> I have come around to the view that, since I'm on the commuter every day and 
> probably spend more time on it
> than any of my other bikes, I should use the best stuff for that purpose that 
> I can afford.

Definitely.  Mike Flanigan (he of Antbikemike fame) points out that
the commuter is usually the bike used the most.  Yet so many people
wind up using their least nice bike for commuting.  I put a lot of
time and effort into my commuter.  My commute is often the best part
of my day.

>Perhaps a better course would be to order a set of custom wheels from Riv, 
>Peter White, me, etc. That way, you can have a choice of rims > > and you can 
>get a Phil freewheel hub that matches the spacing of your Centurion.

Very sound advice.

On May 30, 6:55 am, GeorgeS  wrote:
> I used to use an old racing bike as a commuter.  It wasn't comfortable
> and required lots of attention.  I have come around to the view that,
> since I'm on the commuter every day and probably spend more time on it
> than any of my other bikes, I should use the best stuff for that
> purpose that I can afford.  On my current commuter, I've got a well-
> used B17, good 26" wheels with Marathon XR tires and a Rohloff hub.
>
> On May 30, 4:50 am, Shakesbiker  wrote:
>
> > I am sorely tempted to buy the ultimate touring wheelset available
> > from the Riv. web specials site.   It would be used to convert  27" to
> > the more readily available 700 wheels on an old Centurion Pro Tour.
> > My dilema?  Since I recently bought a  (new to me) Saluki, I had
> > planned on relogating the Centurion to a commuting / rain bike. The
> > wheels with Phil hub and Schmidt Son 28 would be worth a lot more than
> > the bike. Am I foolish?
> > Thoughts and/or advise would be appreciated.
> > Thanks
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[RBW] Re: summer dressing

[JoelMatthews]

> But I am surprised by how well these light aluminum fenders stand up to
> dents; better than Berthoud stainless, at least in my experience with them.

My problem with Honjos on my touring bike anyway is it does not take
much of a mishap to bend them out of shape.  The Berthouds I installed
to replace the Honjos got a few dents on the first tour even.  But a
year and half later and I have not had to make any adjustments.

On May 29, 8:45 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
> > IIRC the VO fenders have a satin rather than a highly polished finish.
> > So don't polish them.  Don't even worry about keeping them clean.  Let
> > them look a bit oxidized, like the old Lefols would do.  That look goes
> > splendidly well with a frame that shows signs of hard use, sort of like
> > a weather-beaten old cowboy.
>
> Steve is right; the VOs look fine on the very well used Motobecane -- nicks
> and scratches galore; original paint mediocre, and now dulled by age --
> where shiny or hammered Honjos would look out of place. But I don't agree
> that a used frame looks like a cowboy; more like an aging, lined, somehwat
> cynical domestique.
>
> But I am surprised by how well these light aluminum fenders stand up to
> dents; better than Berthoud stainless, at least in my experience with them.
>
>
>
> --
> Patrick Moore
> Albuquerque, NM
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[RBW] Re: summer dressing

[MichaelH]

This has not been my experience at all.   I've never used the
Berthouds, but switched to the Honjos from SKS precisely because the
SKS were constantly getting wacked out of alignment.  I haven't had
that experience at all with Honjos, just install em and forget em.
And once I replaced the compression clip on the front fender with a
simple L bracket they have been amazingly quiet, even on very rough
road.  My Ebisu came with a mounting thread under the fork crown,
which elimiminates clips all together.  I don't understand why Riv
doesn't make that standard on the frames that are clearly intended to
be fendered?

Michael
enduring a solid week of rain in VT.

On May 30, 8:57 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> > > My problem with Honjos on my touring bike anyway is it does not take
> much of a mishap to bend them out of shape.  The Berthouds I installed
> to replace the Honjos got a few dents on the first tour even.  But a
> year and half later and I have not had to make any adjustments.
>
> - Show quoted text -
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[RBW] Re: Tail wagging the dog?

[MichaelH]

I agree.  How long is your commute?  Mine is 30 miles, so I quickly
rack up 3,000+ miles on it every year, even in far nothern VT.  So why
not have something optomized for commuting.  I keep my Ram. as a go
fast, but low geard, ride all day in the mountains, bike; and bought
an Ebisu, with a Phil W BB, mounted front and rear racks, 32 mm tires
and use it to commute.  This winter, while recovering from surgery I
built my first set of wheels - White Industry hubs and Open Pro rims -
just to commute on.  By the time I bought the truing stand and spent
infinite hours getting it right it was totally foolish.  I'm 65 and
now have a set of wheels that will probably outlast my riding days.
But what the heck, why not.  Now if my wife calls and asks me to pick
up corn on the cob, a couple of baguettes, and a bottle of wine on the
way home - no problem.  If it rains like hell, I've got well sealed
bearings.

Michael

On May 30, 8:53 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> > I have come around to the view that, since I'm on the commuter every day 
> > and probably spend more time on it
> > than any of my other bikes, I should use the best stuff for that purpose 
> > that I can afford.
>
> Definitely.  Mike Flanigan (he of Antbikemike fame) points out that
> the commuter is usually the bike used the most.  Yet so many people
> wind up using their least nice bike for commuting.  I put a lot of
> time and effort into my commuter.  My commute is often the best part
> of my day.
>
> >Perhaps a better course would be to order a set of custom wheels from Riv, 
> >Peter White, me, etc. That way, you can have a choice of rims > > and you 
> >can get a Phil freewheel hub that matches the spacing of your Centurion.
>
> Very sound advice.
>
> On May 30, 6:55 am, GeorgeS  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I used to use an old racing bike as a commuter.  It wasn't comfortable
> > and required lots of attention.  I have come around to the view that,
> > since I'm on the commuter every day and probably spend more time on it
> > than any of my other bikes, I should use the best stuff for that
> > purpose that I can afford.  On my current commuter, I've got a well-
> > used B17, good 26" wheels with Marathon XR tires and a Rohloff hub.
>
> > On May 30, 4:50 am, Shakesbiker  wrote:
>
> > > I am sorely tempted to buy the ultimate touring wheelset available
> > > from the Riv. web specials site.   It would be used to convert  27" to
> > > the more readily available 700 wheels on an old Centurion Pro Tour.
> > > My dilema?  Since I recently bought a  (new to me) Saluki, I had
> > > planned on relogating the Centurion to a commuting / rain bike. The
> > > wheels with Phil hub and Schmidt Son 28 would be worth a lot more than
> > > the bike. Am I foolish?
> > > Thoughts and/or advise would be appreciated.
> > > Thanks- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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[RBW] Re: summer dressing

[JoelMatthews]

Well, as full disclosure, my Berthouds were installed by a
professional builder while making some other adjustments to my tourer
while the Honjos were installed by me.

On May 30, 9:05 am, MichaelH  wrote:
> This has not been my experience at all.   I've never used the
> Berthouds, but switched to the Honjos from SKS precisely because the
> SKS were constantly getting wacked out of alignment.  I haven't had
> that experience at all with Honjos, just install em and forget em.
> And once I replaced the compression clip on the front fender with a
> simple L bracket they have been amazingly quiet, even on very rough
> road.  My Ebisu came with a mounting thread under the fork crown,
> which elimiminates clips all together.  I don't understand why Riv
> doesn't make that standard on the frames that are clearly intended to
> be fendered?
>
> Michael
> enduring a solid week of rain in VT.
>
> On May 30, 8:57 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
> > > > My problem with Honjos on my touring bike anyway is it does not take
> > much of a mishap to bend them out of shape.  The Berthouds I installed
> > to replace the Honjos got a few dents on the first tour even.  But a
> > year and half later and I have not had to make any adjustments.
>
> > - Show quoted text -
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[RBW] Re: ... and now for the Rivendell Betty Foy photos.

[Rick Smith]

Here's a shot of a fully kitted up Foy, loaded with salvia.

On May 29, 8:39 am, "Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles"
 wrote:
> Hey All,
>
> Although it seems that we have done things backwards, some detailed
> studio photo shots of the Betty Foy frame are now available online:
>
> http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/
>
> The Betty Foy has some really great details that set it apart from
> anything thing else out there.  Take a look and let me know if you
> have any questions.
>
> Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles
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[RBW] Re: ... and now for the Rivendell Betty Foy photos.

[Rick Smith]

Here's a shot of a fully kitted up Foy, loaded with salvia:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/74396...@n00/3578141371/

On May 29, 8:39 am, "Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles"
 wrote:
> Hey All,
>
> Although it seems that we have done things backwards, some detailed
> studio photo shots of the Betty Foy frame are now available online:
>
> http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/
>
> The Betty Foy has some really great details that set it apart from
> anything thing else out there.  Take a look and let me know if you
> have any questions.
>
> Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles
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[RBW] Re: Tail wagging the dog?

[Tim McNamara]

On May 30, 2009, at 4:50 AM, Shakesbiker wrote:

>
> I am sorely tempted to buy the ultimate touring wheelset available
> from the Riv. web specials site.   It would be used to convert  27" to
> the more readily available 700 wheels on an old Centurion Pro Tour.
> My dilema?  Since I recently bought a  (new to me) Saluki, I had
> planned on relogating the Centurion to a commuting / rain bike. The
> wheels with Phil hub and Schmidt Son 28 would be worth a lot more than
> the bike. Am I foolish?

Probably, *but* you can always use the wheels on a better bike  
eventually.

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[RBW] Re: WTB Large Frame Atlantis

[Rambouilleting Utahn]

Damn, you're a week late a 66cm went for a very good price on eBay
last week.  Good luck with your search.

On May 29, 7:46 pm, JimV  wrote:
> I'm looking for a 64 or 66cm Atlantis. Would consider bare frame,
> fully built or somewhere in between. If you have one or hear of one,
> please let me know.
>
> Thank You,
>
> Jim
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[RBW] Re: Tail wagging the dog?

[Jim Cloud]

Due, perhaps, to the increasing popularity of fixed wheel bicycle
conversions from older lugged frame bikes of the 70's, etc. there are
now a number of easily available quality 27" tires.  I own a 1977
Schwinn P-15 Paramount, which was equipped with 27" wheels.  There was
a dirth of decent 27" tires for years, but I think the situation has
changed considerably.

For example, Panaracer makes a 27" x 1", 1 1/8" or 1 1/4" Pasela tire
(including the TG Tour Guard types), these are quality tires that are
obviously much better than the crap that used to be available for 27"
wheelsets.  There are also good 27" tires available from Vittoria
(Zaffiro and Rubino Tech), another tire that is available is the
Vredestein Perfect Moiree.  The latter tire is promoted as being
especially suitable for commuting or long distance touring.

Any of the tires I've mentioned, are in my opinion quite suitable for
a bicycle that is intended for commuting.

My 2 cents,
Jim


On May 30, 2:50 am, Shakesbiker  wrote:
> I am sorely tempted to buy the ultimate touring wheelset available
> from the Riv. web specials site.   It would be used to convert  27" to
> the more readily available 700 wheels on an old Centurion Pro Tour.
> My dilema?  Since I recently bought a  (new to me) Saluki, I had
> planned on relogating the Centurion to a commuting / rain bike. The
> wheels with Phil hub and Schmidt Son 28 would be worth a lot more than
> the bike. Am I foolish?
> Thoughts and/or advise would be appreciated.
> Thanks
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[RBW] FS: Dura Ace free wheelset

[Rene]

Hi Guys,

I am selling my Dura Ace free-wheel hub-set with Mavic rims for
$230.00 with free delivery within the lower 48 states only.

The rear hub axle is 126mm and has 36 holes. The front hub axle is
120mm and has 32 holes. The spokes are Wheel Smith double butted
1.7/2.0 guage, according to my LBS Bici Bike in San Jose, CA who hand
built this wheelset.

Here are some photos.

http://picasaweb.google.com/valbuena.rene/DuraAceWheelset#

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linking to the photos.

Thank you very much.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Dura Ace free wheelset

[Rene Valbuena]

The size is 700c.

 

From: Bruce [mailto:fullylug...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 11:16 AM
To: Rene Valbuena
Subject: Re: [RBW] FS: Dura Ace free wheelset

 

wheel size? 650B or 700?  (I need the former)

 

  _  

From: Rene 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 12:56:25 PM
Subject: [RBW] FS: Dura Ace free wheelset


Hi Guys,

I am selling my Dura Ace free-wheel hub-set with Mavic rims for
$230.00 with free delivery within the lower 48 states only.

The rear hub axle is 126mm and has 36 holes. The front hub axle is
120mm and has 32 holes. The spokes are Wheel Smith double butted
1.7/2.0 guage, according to my LBS Bici Bike in San Jose, CA who hand
built this wheelset.

Here are some photos.

http://picasaweb.google.com/valbuena.rene/DuraAceWheelset#
 

Please email me off-list for any questions and if you have a hard time
linking to the photos.

Thank you very much.


 


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[RBW] Re: FS: Dura Ace free wheelset [corrected and updated]

[Rene]

Update and Correction:

The size is 700c.

The front axle is the standard 100mm and NOT 120mm as stated earlier.

Rene

On May 30, 11:58 am, "Rene Valbuena"  wrote:
> The size is 700c.
>
> From: Bruce [mailto:fullylug...@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 11:16 AM
> To: Rene Valbuena
> Subject: Re: [RBW] FS: Dura Ace free wheelset
>
> wheel size? 650B or 700?  (I need the former)
>
>   _  
>
> From: Rene 
> To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 12:56:25 PM
> Subject: [RBW] FS: Dura Ace free wheelset
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> I am selling my Dura Ace free-wheel hub-set with Mavic rims for
> $230.00 with free delivery within the lower 48 states only.
>
> The rear hub axle is 126mm and has 36 holes. The front hub axle is
> 120mm and has 32 holes. The spokes are Wheel Smith double butted
> 1.7/2.0 guage, according to my LBS Bici Bike in San Jose, CA who hand
> built this wheelset.
>
> Here are some photos.
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/valbuena.rene/DuraAceWheelset#
> 
>
> Please email me off-list for any questions and if you have a hard time
> linking to the photos.
>
> Thank you very much.
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[RBW] Re: WTB Large Frame Atlantis

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[RBW] Wide-brimmed Headwear

[cj.spinner]

Let's say maybe I want to noodle around out in the summer sun without
a helmet (on deep soft grass and no cars, of course).  Wanting more
sun protection, I'm thinking something with a wide brim is needed.  I
sometimes wear a ball cap, but would like more protection for ears and
neck.  Something reasonably ventilated.

As of now, I'm thinking of something along the lines of this stylish
option...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/targetsalad/3050074733/in/set-72157609687048905/

I wonder, however, if you all have other suggestions.
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[RBW] Re: Wide-brimmed Headwear

[David Estes]

I like boonie hats.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/2596223526/in/set-72157600270682125/



On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 5:09 PM, cj.spinner  wrote:

>
> Let's say maybe I want to noodle around out in the summer sun without
> a helmet (on deep soft grass and no cars, of course).  Wanting more
> sun protection, I'm thinking something with a wide brim is needed.  I
> sometimes wear a ball cap, but would like more protection for ears and
> neck.  Something reasonably ventilated.
>
> As of now, I'm thinking of something along the lines of this stylish
> option...
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/targetsalad/3050074733/in/set-72157609687048905/
>
> I wonder, however, if you all have other suggestions.
> >
>


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[RBW] Re: Wide-brimmed Headwear

[David Faller]

I have some of these.  They're pretty great.

http://www.sundayafternoons.com/index.cgi


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  Subject: [RBW] Wide-brimmed Headwear



  Let's say maybe I want to noodle around out in the summer sun without
  a helmet (on deep soft grass and no cars, of course).  Wanting more
  sun protection, I'm thinking something with a wide brim is needed.  I
  sometimes wear a ball cap, but would like more protection for ears and
  neck.  Something reasonably ventilated.

  As of now, I'm thinking of something along the lines of this stylish
  option...

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/targetsalad/3050074733/in/set-72157609687048905/

  I wonder, however, if you all have other suggestions.
  
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[RBW] Re: Wide-brimmed Headwear

[Bill Connell]

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 7:09 PM, cj.spinner  wrote:
>
> Let's say maybe I want to noodle around out in the summer sun without
> a helmet (on deep soft grass and no cars, of course).  Wanting more
> sun protection, I'm thinking something with a wide brim is needed.  I
> sometimes wear a ball cap, but would like more protection for ears and
> neck.  Something reasonably ventilated.
>
> As of now, I'm thinking of something along the lines of this stylish
> option...
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/targetsalad/3050074733/in/set-72157609687048905/
>
> I wonder, however, if you all have other suggestions.


I like my Filson hat a lot, but not all that well-ventilated. A farmer
friend swears by his Tilley hat.

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[RBW] Re: Wide-brimmed Headwear

[EricP]

The one I wear the most is by Tilley 
http://www.tilley.com/home.asp?countryCode=US
(Mine is a T2, but back then there were only two styles available.)

Rode behind a couple of recumbent trikes today and one rider had a
Tilley and seemed to be doing quite fine.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On May 30, 7:09�pm, "cj.spinner"  wrote:
> Let's say maybe I want to noodle around out in the summer sun without
> a helmet (on deep soft grass and no cars, of course). �Wanting more
> sun protection, I'm thinking something with a wide brim is needed. �I
> sometimes wear a ball cap, but would like more protection for ears and
> neck. �Something reasonably ventilated.
>
> As of now, I'm thinking of something along the lines of this stylish
> option...
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/targetsalad/3050074733/in/set-7215760968...
>
> I wonder, however, if you all have other suggestions.
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[RBW] A fine riding day and thanks for steel

[EricP]

Decided this morning to do a bit of exploring on the Hillborne.
Figured why not try to ride out to the Coon Rapids Regional Dam.
Figured the round trip would be 40 to 50 miles.  Unless I got lost or
added to the ride.  Both of which ended up happening.

The first part of the ride was fairly routine and easy.  Through areas
ridden before.  Came to the dividing line between familiar and new
territory.  On the other side was a group of folks who were obviously
touring.  Not obviously lost, but a quick hail from them confirmed
they were (sort of).  Helped as best I could (sort of).  Then offered
them my copy of the local cycling map.  One noted that the map seemed
to be hard to get and they did not want to bother me.  I pretty much
insisted, knowing it wasn't that difficult to find a replacement.  We
parted ways with the tourists being very grateful about a map to
supplement the directions they had.

Headed on, but sans paper "security blanket".  Actually, as the route
planned was mostly bike paths, this did not prove a major problem.
Except for one section where I did get lost and added about 2 miles.
It was a nice lost, though.  And discovered another route to take
later.  Eventually ended up at my destination.

Decided to add the mileage and head back down the other side of the
river.  Good call.  Came upon a group looking at an osprey nest.  On
high tension power lines.  Was there to see the mother come back for a
landing.  Very impressive.

After a few more stops (lunch and later picking up a map at Hiawatha
Cyclery) headed home.

Where luck changed.  Parked the bike and waited for garage door to
open.  Big gust of wind came up.   Knocking the Hillborne over on the
drive side.  Ouch.  Heard an ugly crunch.  Besides everything from the
saddlebag strewn about, the rear derailer was at a bad angle.  Like
touching spokes.  Not good.  Then saw the rear hanger.  Owie.  At that
point, tears did well up for a few seconds.  Figured the frame was
damaged beyond repair.

Put bike away and headed inside to tell wife the bad news.  Also to
think.  Five minutes or so later decided to head back out to assess
the damage.  Put the bike in the stand and, well, actually not so
bad.  Hmm.  Maybe I could even "fix" it.  Take rear derailer off.
Grab 6mm wrench.  Carefully insert in hole.  Carefully exert
pressure.  Hanger bends back.  To about the correct angle.  Derailer
back on.  Shift.  Thankfully friction.  Everything seems to work.
Adjustments still good.  Probably not perfect.  Hopefully good enough
to ride for a week until I take it into the shop.

Haven't done a ride on it yet.  That will come tomorrow.  Still too
close to the "incident" to feel fully comfortable taking a ride
tonight.  A really serious scare.  Have had bikes tip over before.
Never had that happen.

A few photos here: http://tinyurl.com/kubbdv

Sorry about the length of this post.  Hopefully talking about it will
get me to worry about it a smidgen less.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
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[RBW] FS: Nitto Crystal Fellow Seat Post.

[thomas]

Used for 3 months.  Like new.  A few tiny scratches where it was
inserted, above that it's perfect.  $45 includes free shipping to
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[RBW] Re: A fine riding day and thanks for steel

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on 5/30/09 6:30 PM, EricP at ericpl...@aol.com wrote:
> Where luck changed.  Parked the bike and waited for garage door to
> open.  Big gust of wind came up.   Knocking the Hillborne over on the
> drive side.  Ouch.  Heard an ugly crunch.  Besides everything from the
> saddlebag strewn about, the rear derailer was at a bad angle.  Like
> touching spokes.  Not good.  Then saw the rear hanger.  Owie.  At that
> point, tears did well up for a few seconds.  Figured the frame was
> damaged beyond repair.
> 
> Put bike away and headed inside to tell wife the bad news.  Also to
> think.  Five minutes or so later decided to head back out to assess
> the damage.  Put the bike in the stand and, well, actually not so
> bad.  Hmm.  Maybe I could even "fix" it.  Take rear derailer off.
> Grab 6mm wrench.  Carefully insert in hole.  Carefully exert
> pressure.  Hanger bends back.  To about the correct angle.  Derailer
> back on.  Shift.  Thankfully friction.  Everything seems to work.
> Adjustments still good.  Probably not perfect.  Hopefully good enough
> to ride for a week until I take it into the shop.

There's a specific tool for checking der hanger alignment that most shops
have. But, eyeballing it (with rear sprockets as a visual guide) got me well
close to vertical many a time. Thank goodness for steel.

The alignment tool will show any twisting that took place, as well as
provide a good way to cold set it back to position.  I wouldn't as a
practice bend it by the threaded hole for the derailleur.  You can ovalize
the opening or gank the threads. My tool of choice is a set of parallel jaw
pliers or a wide crescent wrench set tightly to the thickness of the hanger,
up from the bottom of the frame, covering as much of the hanger as possible.
Go easy and smoothly.

Eyeball it from directly behind with no der mounted.  You can also have
someone hold a straight edge to it to extend the angle. Eyeball it from the
top down to check for twisting.  Check the range of motion and confirm the
limit screws are still correct.  That's about it.

(Worst case scenario is you snap off the hanger - which is reasonably tough
with steel.  As horriflying as that sounds, any competent framebuilder could
replace the dropout.)

> Haven't done a ride on it yet.  That will come tomorrow.  Still too
> close to the "incident" to feel fully comfortable taking a ride
> tonight.  A really serious scare.  Have had bikes tip over before.
> Never had that happen.

I've done it more times than I'd  care to admit, and mtb-ing tumbles seem to
do that pretty regularly. Maybe _that's_ why I ride derailleurless so
much...

> 
> A few photos here: http://tinyurl.com/kubbdv

Great pix and writeup!

- Jim

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[RBW] Re: Wide-brimmed Headwear

[Bill M.]

I have two Tilleys, an olive T3 that's a bit warm for summer around
here, and an LT5 that's a bit cooler.  The LT5 was what I wore for
golf (when I was still playing golf).  I'd go for a TM10 mesh hat
if I were to buy another for summer wear.

Bill

On May 30, 6:03 pm, EricP  wrote:
> The one I wear the most is by 
> Tilleyhttp://www.tilley.com/home.asp?countryCode=US
> (Mine is a T2, but back then there were only two styles available.)
>
> Rode behind a couple of recumbent trikes today and one rider had a
> Tilley and seemed to be doing quite fine.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
> On May 30, 7:09 pm, "cj.spinner"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Let's say maybe I want to noodle around out in the summer sun without
> > a helmet (on deep soft grass and no cars, of course). Wanting more
> > sun protection, I'm thinking something with a wide brim is needed. I
> > sometimes wear a ball cap, but would like more protection for ears and
> > neck. Something reasonably ventilated.
>
> > As of now, I'm thinking of something along the lines of this stylish
> > option...
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/targetsalad/3050074733/in/set-7215760968...
>
> > I wonder, however, if you all have other suggestions.
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[RBW] Re: A fine riding day and thanks for steel

[CycloFiend]

on 5/30/09 8:16 PM, CycloFiend wrote:

> The alignment tool will show any twisting that took place, as well as
> provide a good way to cold set it back to position.  I wouldn't as a
> practice bend it by the threaded hole for the derailleur.  You can ovalize
> the opening or gank the threads. My tool of choice is a set of parallel jaw
> pliers or a wide crescent wrench set tightly to the thickness of the hanger,
> up from the bottom of the frame, covering as much of the hanger as possible.
> Go easy and smoothly.

Just to clarify that comment - the shop tool threads into the derailleur
hanger, so any pressure will be relatively distributed through the threads
and hole. Putting a hex wrench inside the hole can put too much pressure in
one small spot. 

If I had the shop tool, I'd use that. Without the shop tool, the choices
mentioned above.

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[RBW] steel vs. carbon fiber

[dpco]

i am a true believer in grant's fit process. i love my 60cm blue ram.
but, i broke down and purchased a 56cm specialized roubaix frameset.
on my ram, i run grand bois 700x28 with 75psi front and 85psi rear. on
my roubaix, i run vredestein 700x25 pumped to 100psi. the roubaix is a
smoother ride in my mind. if you don't need to carry anything other
than spares, its hard to knock the roubaix.
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[RBW] Re: Wide-brimmed Headwear

[cm]

A huge +1 for the Sunday Afternoons hats (http://
www.sundayafternoons.com/index.cgi)-- esp. the Adventure. The stiff
brim in the front covers everything that you would want covered
without interfering with vision too much and the soft piece in the
back protects the back completely--and they are made in the good ole'
USA to boot.  In Tucson, where it gets hot and sunny sometimes, you
see more and more people with theses, esp out on the trails. I have
had mine for years with no problem. The only downside is the style
isnt for everyone, a small price to pay for the protection. You can
pay more, but I dont think you can get more.

Don't get me wrong, the Tilly's are great hats, but just dont offer
the same kind of protection (same for Filson).

Cheers!
cm
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[RBW] Re: steel vs. carbon fiber

[rcnute]

I had a Roubaix Elite a few years ago.  It was a really fun bike and I
did a double century on it with no problems.  I wish they'd taken it a
couple steps further so I could have made at least some attempt to fit
wider tires, fenders, etc.

On May 30, 8:34 pm, dpco  wrote:
> i am a true believer in grant's fit process. i love my 60cm blue ram.
> but, i broke down and purchased a 56cm specialized roubaix frameset.
> on my ram, i run grand bois 700x28 with 75psi front and 85psi rear. on
> my roubaix, i run vredestein 700x25 pumped to 100psi. the roubaix is a
> smoother ride in my mind. if you don't need to carry anything other
> than spares, its hard to knock the roubaix.
> don c.
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[RBW] Re: A fine riding day and thanks for steel

[David Estes]

Time to buy a Quickbeam... :-)

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 6:30 PM, EricP  wrote:

>
> Decided this morning to do a bit of exploring on the Hillborne.
> Figured why not try to ride out to the Coon Rapids Regional Dam.
> Figured the round trip would be 40 to 50 miles.  Unless I got lost or
> added to the ride.  Both of which ended up happening.
>
> The first part of the ride was fairly routine and easy.  Through areas
> ridden before.  Came to the dividing line between familiar and new
> territory.  On the other side was a group of folks who were obviously
> touring.  Not obviously lost, but a quick hail from them confirmed
> they were (sort of).  Helped as best I could (sort of).  Then offered
> them my copy of the local cycling map.  One noted that the map seemed
> to be hard to get and they did not want to bother me.  I pretty much
> insisted, knowing it wasn't that difficult to find a replacement.  We
> parted ways with the tourists being very grateful about a map to
> supplement the directions they had.
>
> Headed on, but sans paper "security blanket".  Actually, as the route
> planned was mostly bike paths, this did not prove a major problem.
> Except for one section where I did get lost and added about 2 miles.
> It was a nice lost, though.  And discovered another route to take
> later.  Eventually ended up at my destination.
>
> Decided to add the mileage and head back down the other side of the
> river.  Good call.  Came upon a group looking at an osprey nest.  On
> high tension power lines.  Was there to see the mother come back for a
> landing.  Very impressive.
>
> After a few more stops (lunch and later picking up a map at Hiawatha
> Cyclery) headed home.
>
> Where luck changed.  Parked the bike and waited for garage door to
> open.  Big gust of wind came up.   Knocking the Hillborne over on the
> drive side.  Ouch.  Heard an ugly crunch.  Besides everything from the
> saddlebag strewn about, the rear derailer was at a bad angle.  Like
> touching spokes.  Not good.  Then saw the rear hanger.  Owie.  At that
> point, tears did well up for a few seconds.  Figured the frame was
> damaged beyond repair.
>
> Put bike away and headed inside to tell wife the bad news.  Also to
> think.  Five minutes or so later decided to head back out to assess
> the damage.  Put the bike in the stand and, well, actually not so
> bad.  Hmm.  Maybe I could even "fix" it.  Take rear derailer off.
> Grab 6mm wrench.  Carefully insert in hole.  Carefully exert
> pressure.  Hanger bends back.  To about the correct angle.  Derailer
> back on.  Shift.  Thankfully friction.  Everything seems to work.
> Adjustments still good.  Probably not perfect.  Hopefully good enough
> to ride for a week until I take it into the shop.
>
> Haven't done a ride on it yet.  That will come tomorrow.  Still too
> close to the "incident" to feel fully comfortable taking a ride
> tonight.  A really serious scare.  Have had bikes tip over before.
> Never had that happen.
>
> A few photos here: http://tinyurl.com/kubbdv
>
> Sorry about the length of this post.  Hopefully talking about it will
> get me to worry about it a smidgen less.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
> >
>


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David
Redlands, CA

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[RBW] Re: steel vs. carbon fiber

[David Estes]

How 'bout their Cross bikes?
http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/SBCBkModel.jsp?sid=09Tricross&eid=123

No fenders, but at least some wider tires and what you would presume is a
strong build...

DE

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 8:58 PM, rcnute  wrote:

>
> I had a Roubaix Elite a few years ago.  It was a really fun bike and I
> did a double century on it with no problems.  I wish they'd taken it a
> couple steps further so I could have made at least some attempt to fit
> wider tires, fenders, etc.
>
> On May 30, 8:34 pm, dpco  wrote:
> > i am a true believer in grant's fit process. i love my 60cm blue ram.
> > but, i broke down and purchased a 56cm specialized roubaix frameset.
> > on my ram, i run grand bois 700x28 with 75psi front and 85psi rear. on
> > my roubaix, i run vredestein 700x25 pumped to 100psi. the roubaix is a
> > smoother ride in my mind. if you don't need to carry anything other
> > than spares, its hard to knock the roubaix.
> > don c.
> >
>


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[RBW] Polishing Frenzy

[John Ferguson]

I hurt my knee somehow on a transatlantic flight...so I spent a few
evenings on bicycle maintenance and my third-favorite activity,
polishing. The results are here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/36397...@n06/sets/72157615351530151/

I hope this impresses someone, because my girlfriend certainly wasn't
impressed. :-)

John
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[RBW] Re: summer dressing

[RoadieRyan]

If the fenders are a tight fit with the 700x32c would  the slightly
smaller but still  plump 700x30c make life eaiser?  there are a number
of options out there from Kenda Michelin Verdstein and Grand Bois.  If
you google the size you get a raft of links.

On May 28, 8:05 am, b hamon  wrote:
> I am beginning to re-do my beloved Rivvy, which looks pretty tired after ten 
> years of service.Added shellacked tan cork grips this morning. Honey-colored 
> Brooks B-17 will follow next payday, replacing a 14-year-old B-17 that no 
> longer offers much support. Pondering new fenders, but I'm also worried about 
> tire clearance (I got one of those Maynard Hershon "if I'd known then what I 
> know now" kind of bikes and can barely run 700 x 32 tires with the fenders I 
> have now).
> Current fender is a cheap Planet Bike set in black. I'm looking at the V-O 
> fenders (they're cheaper than Honjos and I sort of like the matte finish) OR 
> Planet Bike Cascadia. The Cascadias are a known quantity; I know that they'll 
> just fit with my 32 tires. But the idea of alloy fenders is appealing.
> Last batch of VO fenders I saw were not pre-drilled. How much of a hassle IS 
> it to drill your own fenders? Seriously. Is it an all-day-at-home affair?
> Also, Current brake set is the Shimano RX-100 "long reach" that were 
> recommended when the frame was built without cantis back in 1999. Is there 
> another dual-pivot caliper that offers even a little more tire/fender 
> clearance? What do you like?
> Bethhttp://bikelovejones.livejournal.com
>
> http://veloquent.blogspot.com
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[RBW] 60cm Quickbeam FS in SF

[William Henderson]

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/1194364108.html

Not mine but that's not a bad price at all.
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