[RBW] Re: Country Bikes Needed Here, Too

[Steve Palincsar]

On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 21:59 -0700, Patrick in VT wrote:
> On Mar 14, 5:24 pm, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> > Well, being in a race means everybody but one person is a loser.
> > Period.  And in every class but the top professionals, EVERYONE is a
> > loser, because none of the amateurs is as good as the pros, so they're
> > all losers; and most of the pros are losers too: fit to carry a water
> > bottle and break the wind for the champions and not much else, "pack
> > fodder".  You could take all the genuine "winners" and fit them
> > comfortably inside a typical 7-11 store.
> 
> so the riders not inside of the 7-11 should resign themselves to the
> fact that they are destined to be losers and disregard any competitive
> advantage because they're pack fodder?

What's the difference?  If you're a loser you're a loser.  YOU are the
"competitive disadvantage" and anything to do with the bike is just a
distraction from that fact.  

> i disagree.  i'm with nietzsche on this one - losing and suffering
> aren't necessarily bad things, especially in competition.

So why try to avoid it?  Embrace it!  Luke, it is your destiny.  Might
as well be comfortable while doing so, so bring on the country bikes...




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[RBW] Re: Country Bikes Needed Here, Too

[AJ]

I enjoyed all the posts with my morning joe, seeing the opinions fly
made for some interesting reading.  My 2 cents; moved to Upstate N.Y.
a couple of months ago from Tucson (I know, nuts!).  Finally was able
to get on a bike yesterdaywent about 12 miles on my Rambo and
almost dropped a lung...a 14# bike would have made zero difference;
heck, it could have been a 2# bike, I still when be in danger of
collapsing on the side of the road.

I was smiling the whole way :-)
Cheers,
Al
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[RBW] Re: Country Bikes Needed Here, Too

[Steve Palincsar]

On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 05:48 -0700, AJ wrote:
> 
> I enjoyed all the posts with my morning joe, seeing the opinions fly
> made for some interesting reading.  My 2 cents; moved to Upstate N.Y.
> a couple of months ago from Tucson (I know, nuts!).  Finally was able
> to get on a bike yesterdaywent about 12 miles on my Rambo and
> almost dropped a lung...a 14# bike would have made zero difference;
> heck, it could have been a 2# bike, I still when be in danger of
> collapsing on the side of the road.

Where in upstate NY?




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[RBW] Re: Riv on Kingsbury Grade

[Nick P]

Perhaps try Reno missed connections on Craigslist:
http://reno.craigslist.org/mis/



On Mar 14, 8:18 pm, Ray  wrote:
> Was it anyone from this forum nearing the top of Kingsbury Grade
> toward South Lake Tahoe at 3:00 pm on Friday?  Regardless, nice
> looking Rivendell, rider.  That was us who skirted by with the two
> Riv's racked on the rear bumper.
>
> RS
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[RBW] Re: Today's Videos

[GeorgeS]

Wild turkeys do fly and quite well.  It's just not their favorite
means of getting around.

On Mar 14, 7:28 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
> Three videos today for your March Madness viewing pleasure ...
>
> "Getting Ready to Ride"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-t41IIas4U
>
> "Chasing Wild Turkeys"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye4u6T9hpfw
>
> "Orange Man"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye4u6T9hpfw
>
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[RBW] Re: Country Bikes Needed Here, Too

[RonaTD]

On Mar 14, 11:59 pm, Patrick in VT  wrote:
>  i maintain that a compact double and
> 28s would do just fine on rouge-roubaix - thus, my contrary opinion to
> the title of this thread.

Well, since I created the thread and its title, I'll take the
opportunity to clarify. In fact, a compact double and some bigger
tires are exactly what I had in mind as what was "needed" in terms of
equipment (which would have given their users a competitive advantage
unless everyone used them). But the subtext, of course, was that some
country bike attitude was "needed" as well. Someday all those lycra-
lugged losers walking their expensive toys up the hill are going to
wonder what it was that attracted them to the sport. With any luck,
right about that time, a friend will hand them a battered 1994 Bicycle
Catalogue From Bridgestone. After briefly ogling the girl on the
cover, they'll turn to the dog-eared page 12 and discover How To Ride
A Bike Forever.

td
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[RBW] Re: Country Bikes Needed Here, Too

[David Estes]

On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 6:42 AM, RonaTD  wrote:

>
> On Mar 14, 11:59 pm, Patrick in VT  wrote:
> >  i maintain that a compact double and
> > 28s would do just fine on rouge-roubaix - thus, my contrary opinion to
> > the title of this thread.
>
> Well, since I created the thread and its title, I'll take the
> opportunity to clarify. In fact, a compact double and some bigger
> tires are exactly what I had in mind as what was "needed" in terms of
> equipment (which would have given their users a competitive advantage
> unless everyone used them). But the subtext, of course, was that some
> country bike attitude was "needed" as well. Someday all those lycra-
> lugged losers walking their expensive toys up the hill are going to
> wonder what it was that attracted them to the sport. With any luck,
> right about that time, a friend will hand them a battered 1994 Bicycle
> Catalogue From Bridgestone. After briefly ogling the girl on the
> cover, they'll turn to the dog-eared page 12 and discover How To Ride
> A Bike Forever.
>
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> See what you started :-)


-- 
Cheers,
David
Redlands, CA

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[RBW] First Century

[Eric Norris]

My stepson rode his first century on our tandem yesterday!  Here are  
photos:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157615309647032

We're shooting for a 300K in two weeks ... and the 1,000-mile Wheels  
North ride in July!

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[RBW] Re: First Century

[MichaelH]

Eric, I'd really like to see you and your grandson on a tandem, but
when I try to open the link I get a message that it's a private page.

I'm working on getting my wife motivated to buy a tandem and am
looking for all the advice and insight I can get.

Michael

On Mar 15, 12:43 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
> My stepson rode his first century on our tandem yesterday!  Here are  
> photos:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157615309647032
>
> We're shooting for a 300K in two weeks ... and the 1,000-mile Wheels  
> North ride in July!
>
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[RBW] First Century

[Eric Norris]

Sorry, all ... try the photos again.  They should be visible to anyone  
now.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157615309647032/

Flickr is a bit confusing, but I think I'm getting the hang of it.

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[RBW] Re: Country Bikes Needed Here, Too

[Tim McNamara]

On Mar 14, 2009, at 10:43 PM, David Estes wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Tim McNamara  
>  wrote:
> -snip-
>
>
> I might very well ride the 23 pound country bike, reckoning its
> greater robustness gives me a better chance to finish the race
> without mechanical problems or punctures, which'll get you dropped
> faster than anything and put you right out of contention.  Of course,
> my "country bike" weighs 21-22 lbs and my race bike weighs about 19
> 1/2 lbs, so there is really not much difference between them.  Less
> than a couple of water bottles, and nobody grouses about their water
> bottles slowing them down.
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>
> Tim, what is the difference in those two bikes?

The main difference is the weight of the frame and forks, probably  
some other places.  The weights I gave were "back in the day." Most  
of the components are now the same (literally, because the Campy  
Chorus 9 sp that used to be on the race bike is now on the 'cross  
bike; brakes, seatpost, saddle, bars and stem are different).  I  
haven't weighted the 'cross bike in its new configuration.

The race bike is a custom-built-for-someone-else-about-my-size  
Ritchey (fillet brazed throughout) that I bought in 1998 or 1999 and  
built up with Campy Ergo.  It is, without a doubt, the best handling  
bike I have ever ridden.  I dunno what it is that Tom Ritchey did  
when he came up with his frame design, but's it is the perfect  
balance of nimbleness and stability.  It is built up now for the kind  
of riding I do most of these days- fun rides!  I haven't weighed in  
in the new configuration, either.  (Don't really care any more- I  
don't measure my fun with a bike computer like I used to).

The 'cross bike is a Gunnar Crosshairs (TIG'd) with a fork upgrade to  
the W-ford 'cross fork (lugged) (BTW it's one of three Waterford- 
built bikes in our house- my All-Rounder, my wife's Heron Road being  
the other two; none of them are actually Waterford branded).  Back  
when I raced 'cross it was built up with Sun Tour Superbe Pro with an  
Ultegra 6500 read wheel.  I used Avocet 700 x 32 Duros on the road  
and Ritchey 700 x 28 'cross tires for 'cross races; they were almost  
exactly the same size. The Gunnar is very stable and rides well on  
the pavement- maybe just a bit stodgy, actually, but it really comes  
alive off-road.  I also used it for a tour in the Alps in 2002 and a  
brevet series and PBP attempt in 2003.

http://www2.bitstream.net/~timmcn/alps2002-1.html

http://www2.bitstream.net/~timmcn/brevets-2003.html

I've never weighed the frames and forks of either bike, so I don't  
know what the weight difference might be between them.  The Ritchey  
is built with what I recall is Tange Prestige quad butted tubing; the  
Gunnar is built with Reynolds 853- I suspect this is pretty  
conservatively spec'd given that it's intended for off-road racing.   
The bare Ritchey frame and fork are very light in hand, the Gunnar  
not particularly so.  I can't imagine more than a pound's difference  
between them, though- if even that, maybe more like 6-8 ounces.  The  
rest must have been in the components on the Gunnar- the heavier  
Ultegra rear wheel, longer seat post, Dia-Compe cantis, etc.



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[RBW] Re: First Century

[MichaelH]

Thanks Eric,

Boy it seems pretty early in the year to being doing a century, even
on a tandem.  Of course, here in Vt. the cycling season is just
beginning for hard core riders.  I've been laid up with a bum foot for
six months now, so any riding sounds awfully good to me.

I'd love to hear your opinions about the tandem.  I've got my wife to
agree, at least in principal, to buying one, but since there are no
dealers in VT, it takes a lot of effort just to look at one. Montreal
about 2 hours away and Boston is 3 1/2.

>From what I can gather on the web, Santana or Bilenkey would be my
leading choices.  The Santana web site has lots of words, but ends up
being short on critical info, like tire capacity, fender & rack
attachments, etc.  Also, everybody quotes prices for whole bikes,
including stuff I don't think I want, like a carbon fork, and 10 speed
SIS.  Without any experience, it's hard to know what's really
essential in a good tandem.

There have been Riv rumors about a tandem for quite awhile and I'd be
game for a proto, if the price wasn't stratospheric.

Michael



On Mar 15, 2:31 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
> Sorry, all ... try the photos again.  They should be visible to anyone  
> now.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157615309647032/
>
> Flickr is a bit confusing, but I think I'm getting the hang of it.
>
> --Ericwww.wheelsnorth.orgwww.campyonly.com
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[RBW] Re: First Century

[Seth Vidal]

On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 3:42 PM, MichaelH  wrote:
>
> Thanks Eric,
>
> Boy it seems pretty early in the year to being doing a century, even
> on a tandem.  Of course, here in Vt. the cycling season is just
> beginning for hard core riders.  I've been laid up with a bum foot for
> six months now, so any riding sounds awfully good to me.
>
> I'd love to hear your opinions about the tandem.  I've got my wife to
> agree, at least in principal, to buying one, but since there are no
> dealers in VT, it takes a lot of effort just to look at one. Montreal
> about 2 hours away and Boston is 3 1/2.
>
> From what I can gather on the web, Santana or Bilenkey would be my
> leading choices.  The Santana web site has lots of words, but ends up
> being short on critical info, like tire capacity, fender & rack
> attachments, etc.  Also, everybody quotes prices for whole bikes,
> including stuff I don't think I want, like a carbon fork, and 10 speed
> SIS.  Without any experience, it's hard to know what's really
> essential in a good tandem.


If you can find one that's the right size - a used or NOS  burley is a
good tandem, too.

There are some on ebay from time to time.

-sv

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[RBW] Re: First Century

[PATRICK MOORE]

Congrats on the first century. I've been vowing to do my first century for
the better part of a decade. We'll see. The two local centuries are the
Santa Fe century in early May -- starts too early in the am to drive 60
miles from Albuquerque, and then it's hilly, not so good on a fixed gear --
and the much more recently established Albuquerque century. If the latter is
held again this year (this will be year 3) I may do it, since it's a lot
flatter than the SF century.

Patrick "I'm a Picassa man myself" Moore, who just braved an
uphill-with-headwind leg from church on his 75" Joe-built custom fixed
gofast.

PS: I just this morning removed the Lizard Skin lower headset race
wraparound seal (it velcro's in place) after many years. The Tange Roller
Ball hs is the original with the bike and has 9300 miles on it with no
overhaul. Can I attribute this longevity to the LS seal, or will the lower
race be fine without it? (No fenders on this one -- fenders on all 3 of my 4
others, and I plan to be-fender #4 -- which is ridden in dry but dusty
conditions.)

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[RBW] Re: Country Bikes Needed Here, Too

[PATRICK MOORE]

On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Tim McNamara  wrote
in re of his custom Ritchey:

It is, without a doubt, the best handling bike I have ever ridden.  I dunno
> what it is that Tom Ritchey did when he came up with his frame design, but's
> it is the perfect balance of nimbleness and stability.


Slightly hijacking the thread: this is the description, to the letter, of my
two ('99 and '03) Riv customs.

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[RBW] 'Country' Rivs ride rainy roads today

[Joan Oppel]

Today two Bleriots bounced around the unpaved roads near Middleburg, 
Virginia for about 38 miles.  Precipitation prediction was 90%, it had 
rained most of the night and most local club rides were canceled, but 
one fellow who scheduled a “rustic” ride said he was heading out.  So 
two of us went with our Bleriots.  Four other people showed up as well.

The ride was about 90% on unpaved roads, and I think the Bleriot is the 
perfect bike for this kind of riding.  The surface ranges from packed 
dirt, to loose gravel to jarring washboard and randomly scattered pot 
holes.  But the countryside is beautiful and the horses came to greet us 
whenever we stopped near one of their fences.  We saw new calves running 
in the fields.  Even though it was cloudy – and we had light rain for 
about half the ride, we had lovely vistas and great views of mountain 
partly shrouded in mist.

I wasn’t going to ride but my friend said, let’s go!  For me, this kind 
of riding is possible because of the Bleriot - the way it handles just 
gives me a lot of confidence (though it is my only Riv).

Joan
Arlington, VA


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[RBW] Saluki Done

[John Ferguson]

Finally.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/36397...@n06/
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[RBW] Re: Saluki Done

[RonLau]

Beautiful.

On Mar 15, 4:08 pm, John Ferguson  wrote:
> Finally.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/36397...@n06/
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[RBW] Re: Saluki Done

[Rick]

Very nice, great job.  Like the bars, were they in a recent bicycle
quarterly?

On Mar 15, 7:29 pm, RonLau  wrote:
> Beautiful.
>
> On Mar 15, 4:08 pm, John Ferguson  wrote:
>
> > Finally.
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/36397...@n06/
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[RBW] Re: Saluki Done

[Darren Stone]

Wow, that is a supremely nice build!  Shiny silver bits everywhere.

John, I share your disdain for black bike parts.  At least in context,
on a classic build like that.  Hope to follow shortly with my Saluki
pics.  It's rolling, but without racks for a week or two yet...

-Darren.

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> Finally.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/36397...@n06/
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[RBW] Re: Saluki Done

[Angus]

Nice bike John,

I hope your back appreciates the high bars.

Angus



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> http://www.flickr.com/photos/36397...@n06/
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[RBW] Re: Saluki Done

[Mike]

That bike looks great. I really like the way those shifters look.
Thanks for posting. Keep us updated with some ride pictures.

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[RBW] Re: First Century

[David Estes]

Michael, tandems are wonderful!  They equalize riding between unequal
riders, so there's no waiting or hard feelings or anyone getting exhausted.
If you and your wife ride at the same level (speed & endurance) it's not as
big a deal, but if one is significantly stronger, it's the only way to enjoy
the ride together.  My wife ended up selling all her single bikes after we
got into tandems.

I'd try to find an older Santana model.  Rio is one of them, can't remember
the others.  We bought one used and loved it.  Sold it for what we paid and
bought a Co-Motion Double Espresso.  Again used, but it was an upgrade and
had 700C wheels.  Tandems seem rather easy to find used it you're a bit
patient, and significantly less expensive than new.  Most are sized S, M, L,
XL, so it's rather easy to find a good size for you.

I'd encourage you to jump on in, the water's fine!

Cheers,
DE

On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:42 PM, MichaelH  wrote:

>
> Thanks Eric,
>
> Boy it seems pretty early in the year to being doing a century, even
> on a tandem.  Of course, here in Vt. the cycling season is just
> beginning for hard core riders.  I've been laid up with a bum foot for
> six months now, so any riding sounds awfully good to me.
>
> I'd love to hear your opinions about the tandem.  I've got my wife to
> agree, at least in principal, to buying one, but since there are no
> dealers in VT, it takes a lot of effort just to look at one. Montreal
> about 2 hours away and Boston is 3 1/2.
>
> From what I can gather on the web, Santana or Bilenkey would be my
> leading choices.  The Santana web site has lots of words, but ends up
> being short on critical info, like tire capacity, fender & rack
> attachments, etc.  Also, everybody quotes prices for whole bikes,
> including stuff I don't think I want, like a carbon fork, and 10 speed
> SIS.  Without any experience, it's hard to know what's really
> essential in a good tandem.
>
> There have been Riv rumors about a tandem for quite awhile and I'd be
> game for a proto, if the price wasn't stratospheric.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> On Mar 15, 2:31 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
> > Sorry, all ... try the photos again.  They should be visible to anyone
> > now.
> >
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157615309647032/
> >
> > Flickr is a bit confusing, but I think I'm getting the hang of it.
> >
> > --Ericwww.wheelsnorth.orgwww.campyonly.com
> >
>


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[RBW] Re: 'Country' Rivs ride rainy roads today

[David Estes]

Joan, sounds like a PERFECT ride!  Glad to hear you got dragged out there
and did it!  :-)

DE

On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Joan Oppel  wrote:

>
> Today two Bleriots bounced around the unpaved roads near Middleburg,
> Virginia for about 38 miles.  Precipitation prediction was 90%, it had
> rained most of the night and most local club rides were canceled, but one
> fellow who scheduled a “rustic” ride said he was heading out.  So two of us
> went with our Bleriots.  Four other people showed up as well.
>
> The ride was about 90% on unpaved roads, and I think the Bleriot is the
> perfect bike for this kind of riding.  The surface ranges from packed dirt,
> to loose gravel to jarring washboard and randomly scattered pot holes.  But
> the countryside is beautiful and the horses came to greet us whenever we
> stopped near one of their fences.  We saw new calves running in the fields.
> Even though it was cloudy – and we had light rain for about half the ride,
> we had lovely vistas and great views of mountain partly shrouded in mist.
>
> I wasn’t going to ride but my friend said, let’s go!  For me, this kind of
> riding is possible because of the Bleriot - the way it handles just gives me
> a lot of confidence (though it is my only Riv).
>
> Joan
> Arlington, VA
>
>
>
> >
>


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[RBW] Re: Country Bikes Needed Here, Too

[David Estes]

On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Tim McNamara  wrote:

>
> On Mar 14, 2009, at 10:43 PM, David Estes wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Tim McNamara
> >  wrote:
> > -snip-
> >
> >
> > I might very well ride the 23 pound country bike, reckoning its
> > greater robustness gives me a better chance to finish the race
> > without mechanical problems or punctures, which'll get you dropped
> > faster than anything and put you right out of contention.  Of course,
> > my "country bike" weighs 21-22 lbs and my race bike weighs about 19
> > 1/2 lbs, so there is really not much difference between them.  Less
> > than a couple of water bottles, and nobody grouses about their water
> > bottles slowing them down.
> >
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> >
> >
> > Tim, what is the difference in those two bikes?
>
> The main difference is the weight of the frame and forks, probably
> some other places.  The weights I gave were "back in the day." Most
> of the components are now the same (literally, because the Campy
> Chorus 9 sp that used to be on the race bike is now on the 'cross
> bike; brakes, seatpost, saddle, bars and stem are different).  I
> haven't weighted the 'cross bike in its new configuration.
>
> The race bike is a custom-built-for-someone-else-about-my-size
> Ritchey (fillet brazed throughout) that I bought in 1998 or 1999 and
> built up with Campy Ergo.  It is, without a doubt, the best handling
> bike I have ever ridden.  I dunno what it is that Tom Ritchey did
> when he came up with his frame design, but's it is the perfect
> balance of nimbleness and stability.  It is built up now for the kind
> of riding I do most of these days- fun rides!  I haven't weighed in
> in the new configuration, either.  (Don't really care any more- I
> don't measure my fun with a bike computer like I used to).
>
> The 'cross bike is a Gunnar Crosshairs (TIG'd) with a fork upgrade to
> the W-ford 'cross fork (lugged) (BTW it's one of three Waterford-
> built bikes in our house- my All-Rounder, my wife's Heron Road being
> the other two; none of them are actually Waterford branded).  Back
> when I raced 'cross it was built up with Sun Tour Superbe Pro with an
> Ultegra 6500 read wheel.  I used Avocet 700 x 32 Duros on the road
> and Ritchey 700 x 28 'cross tires for 'cross races; they were almost
> exactly the same size. The Gunnar is very stable and rides well on
> the pavement- maybe just a bit stodgy, actually, but it really comes
> alive off-road.  I also used it for a tour in the Alps in 2002 and a
> brevet series and PBP attempt in 2003.
>
> http://www2.bitstream.net/~timmcn/alps2002-1.html
>
> http://www2.bitstream.net/~timmcn/brevets-2003.html
>
> I've never weighed the frames and forks of either bike, so I don't
> know what the weight difference might be between them.  The Ritchey
> is built with what I recall is Tange Prestige quad butted tubing; the
> Gunnar is built with Reynolds 853- I suspect this is pretty
> conservatively spec'd given that it's intended for off-road racing.
> The bare Ritchey frame and fork are very light in hand, the Gunnar
> not particularly so.  I can't imagine more than a pound's difference
> between them, though- if even that, maybe more like 6-8 ounces.  The
> rest must have been in the components on the Gunnar- the heavier
> Ultegra rear wheel, longer seat post, Dia-Compe cantis, etc.
>
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>
> I think it's pretty cool how they have similar builds, so when you jump on
one it's has that "known" feeling to it.  Not that huge a deal with riding,
but pretty cool when it happens.  I like the W-Ford builds, that's kinda'
cool!

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[RBW] Re: Country Bikes Needed Here, Too

[David Estes]

On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 2:03 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Tim McNamara wrote in 
> re of his custom Ritchey:
>
> It is, without a doubt, the best handling bike I have ever ridden.  I dunno
>> what it is that Tom Ritchey did when he came up with his frame design, but's
>> it is the perfect balance of nimbleness and stability.
>
>
> Slightly hijacking the thread: this is the description, to the letter, of
> my two ('99 and '03) Riv customs.
>
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[RBW] Into Thick Air

[RonaTD]

A search of the group archives indicates there's been no discussion of
_Into Thick Air_ by Jim Malusa. I found it a very interesting read,
not just because of the bike content. Anybody else read it?

td
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[RBW] Re: Saluki Done

[David Estes]

Wow, can't say enough how beautiful that is, with a smashing good mix of new
and NOS components!

On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Mike  wrote:

>
> That bike looks great. I really like the way those shifters look.
> Thanks for posting. Keep us updated with some ride pictures.
>
> --mike
>
>
> >
>


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[RBW] Re: st. Patrick Day Parade

[Eric Norris]

Looks more like "Mardi Gras" than "Erin Go Brah"

--Eric
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On Mar 15, 2009, at 7:54 PM, George Strickler wrote:

> erin go bragh
>
> >
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[RBW] SoCal March Riv-Ride

[David Estes]

Another one in the can.  60 miles on the beach is hart to beat, just
sayin'.  Ride left Oceanside, making its way through Camp Pendleton, then
past Trestles along old PCH and into San Clemente.  From there it's probably
80% bike path (mixed terrain!) to Doheney State Beach.  Hung out there
looking at the marine mammal display and chillin' with the Girl Scouts.  Six
year olds make you appreciate these things :-)  PERFECT weather, although a
bit of a headwind on the return leg.  I only rode the middle 20 miles of the
ride due to getting over a virus.  But I did pull an extra 100lbs of rolling
cargo (that occasionally supplied propulsion).  I hope everyone had a good
time!

Most folks were from San Diego and Redlands, but Aaron came down from Santa
Monica (proving that yes indeed, the freeways do go south, L.A. people)
and our guest of honor, Jim Thill joined us all the way from Minneapolis,
MN.  I mean if he can make the effort...  :-)  Tim W. made it out for a bit
of the ride, as he's doing a West Coast run from Santa Fe, NM.

So, long-short:  Beautiful day, good people, even pizza and beer.  My photos
are here:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157615341007502/
Keep an eye out for the others and join us in April!  Now accepting route
suggestions/submissions!

There should be a bit of a get-together at the San Diego Bicycle Show on
either the 4th or 5th as well!
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[RBW] Re: First Century

[David Estes]

Here's one:  *http://tinyurl.com/cm3jku*

On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 7:41 PM, David Estes  wrote:

> Michael, tandems are wonderful!  They equalize riding between unequal
> riders, so there's no waiting or hard feelings or anyone getting exhausted.
> If you and your wife ride at the same level (speed & endurance) it's not as
> big a deal, but if one is significantly stronger, it's the only way to enjoy
> the ride together.  My wife ended up selling all her single bikes after we
> got into tandems.
>
> I'd try to find an older Santana model.  Rio is one of them, can't remember
> the others.  We bought one used and loved it.  Sold it for what we paid and
> bought a Co-Motion Double Espresso.  Again used, but it was an upgrade and
> had 700C wheels.  Tandems seem rather easy to find used it you're a bit
> patient, and significantly less expensive than new.  Most are sized S, M, L,
> XL, so it's rather easy to find a good size for you.
>
> I'd encourage you to jump on in, the water's fine!
>
> Cheers,
> DE
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:42 PM, MichaelH  wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks Eric,
>>
>> Boy it seems pretty early in the year to being doing a century, even
>> on a tandem.  Of course, here in Vt. the cycling season is just
>> beginning for hard core riders.  I've been laid up with a bum foot for
>> six months now, so any riding sounds awfully good to me.
>>
>> I'd love to hear your opinions about the tandem.  I've got my wife to
>> agree, at least in principal, to buying one, but since there are no
>> dealers in VT, it takes a lot of effort just to look at one. Montreal
>> about 2 hours away and Boston is 3 1/2.
>>
>> From what I can gather on the web, Santana or Bilenkey would be my
>> leading choices.  The Santana web site has lots of words, but ends up
>> being short on critical info, like tire capacity, fender & rack
>> attachments, etc.  Also, everybody quotes prices for whole bikes,
>> including stuff I don't think I want, like a carbon fork, and 10 speed
>> SIS.  Without any experience, it's hard to know what's really
>> essential in a good tandem.
>>
>> There have been Riv rumors about a tandem for quite awhile and I'd be
>> game for a proto, if the price wasn't stratospheric.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 15, 2:31 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
>> > Sorry, all ... try the photos again.  They should be visible to anyone
>> > now.
>> >
>> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157615309647032/
>> >
>> > Flickr is a bit confusing, but I think I'm getting the hang of it.
>> >
>> > --Ericwww.wheelsnorth.orgwww.campyonly.com
>> >>
>>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> David
> Redlands, CA
>



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[RBW] Re: SoCal March Riv-Ride

[Esteban]

Well put, David.

I especially enjoyed the company - and the early chaparral bloom.
Conversation wandered from bicycles to geo-sciences to 20th Century
Italian history.  Pizza and beer, of course.  Here are some more
photos:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/sets/72157615345512326/

Seriously - lots of you folks should come down for the SD Custom
Bicycle Show.  We'll get a little ride together (kid friendly, too),
and there should be plenty of events connected to the show.
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