Re: Knowing when something is a thread when it is collapsed

[Victor Yegorov]

* Cliff Sarginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [17.09.2001 19:55]:
> Hello
> I like to have threads collapsed by default.
> However I would like some indication in the index display
> that a message is the first in a thread.
> Anyone know how I can do this ?
> 

for indexer i use the following format:

[...]
set index_format="%4C:%2E %Z %(!%b %d, %H:%M) %-17.17F %s"
[...]

%4C stands for message number, %2E - for message number in thread.
so i have something like this:

[...]
  30:11 N L Sep 18, 02:50 Will Yardleyƒ   “”>
  31:11 NsL Sep 18, 03:37 Piet Delportƒ   ”>
  32:11   L Sep 17, 12:28 David Champion  ”>Re: OT: Shell scripting [w
  33:11  sL Sep 17, 12:33 David T-G ”>
  34: 1   L Sep 17, 14:00 Suresh Ramasubram Re: Bouncing messages from a sp
  35: 1  sL Sep 17, 14:18 Rino MardoRe: reply defaults
  36: 4   L Sep 17, 12:25 Tim Johnson   MSHTML Email Question
  37: 4   L Sep 17, 13:40 Cedric Duval  “”>
  38: 4   L Sep 17, 13:02 Gary Johnson  ”>
  39: 4 N L Sep 17, 18:40 Tim Johnson ”>
  40: 8   L Sep 17, 12:24 Vincent Lefevre   Re: pb with arrows and numeric 
  41: 8   L Sep 17, 12:30 Thomas Dickey ”>
  42: 8   L Sep 17, 12:28 Vincent Lefevre ”>
[...]

and this when threads are collapsed:

[...]
  22: 1  sL Sep 17, 12:24 Piet Delport  Re: [1.3.22.1] history bug
  23:11 nsL Sep 17, 12:38 Piet Delport  OT: Shell scripting [was: Re:
  35: 1  sL Sep 17, 14:18 Rino MardoRe: reply defaults
  36: 4 n L Sep 17, 12:25 Tim Johnson   MSHTML Email Question
  40: 8   L Sep 17, 12:24 Vincent Lefevre   Re: pb with arrows and numer
  48: 2  sL Sep 17, 12:39 David T-G Re: Macro to tag all messages
[...]

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Re: mutt and PGP/GPG

[Thomas Roessler]

On 2001-09-17 21:22:54 -0400, Justin R. Miller wrote:

>In recent devel versions of Mutt, you can hit Esc-P to convert a 
>message on-the-fly.

In particular, this also works when the PGP-signed or encrypted body 
part is an attachment.

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Re: vim question

[Will Yardley]

Denis Perelyubskiy wrote:
> you should've been sorry if you were using emacs :)

haha 

> try 
>:help xterm-cursor-keys
> 
> and you shall most likely find your answer

that's precisely the answer i was looking for.  thanks. (and just out of
curiosity is there a way to do the same with the keypad when numlock is
off?  i think that's a different issue as i understand it, but i was
wondering if there's a cheap and dirty workaround as with the
xterm-cursor keys)

> 
> ps. vim 6.0 is coming out soon. you should definitely
> upgrade. in addition to all the neat features it has, it has
> this filetype plugin thing. you invoke vim with 'set
> ft=mail' and it goes and reads mail.vim in specified
> directory. you dont have to pass long string of options
> anymore, and can use the same file for news/mail/etc
> (even betas are *mostly* stable)
> 

of course you could always do something like:
set editor="gvim -f +'/^$/+1' -U .mutt/gvimrc"
(my specific example)
or
set editor="vim -u .mutt/vimrc"
anyway, no?  wouldn't that do pretty much the same thing?

w

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Re: vim question

[Denis Perelyubskiy]

 * Will Yardley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [09-Tue-01 01:56 -0700]:
 >
 >Denis Perelyubskiy wrote:
 [  snip  ]
 >that's precisely the answer i was looking for.  thanks.
 >(and just out of curiosity is there a way to do the same
 >with the keypad when numlock is off?  i think that's a
 >different issue as i understand it, but i was wondering if
 >there's a cheap and dirty workaround as with the
 >xterm-cursor keys)

actually, i am not too sure..i haven't tried. however, these
seem to work for me, so i wonder if it is in fact the same
problem. could it be that you have to play with the kPageUp
and kPageDown?

sorry, no go :) .. you could either go to
groups.yahoo.com/group/vim and try searching, or perhaps
even consider subscribing to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) .. there are definitely people there
who are much more knowledgeable then i am
 
 >> 
 >> ps. vim 6.0 is coming out soon. you should definitely
 >> upgrade. in addition to all the neat features it has, it has
 >> this filetype plugin thing. you invoke vim with 'set
 >> ft=mail' and it goes and reads mail.vim in specified
 >> directory. you dont have to pass long string of options
 >> anymore, and can use the same file for news/mail/etc
 >> (even betas are *mostly* stable)
 >> 
 >
 >of course you could always do something like:
 >set editor="gvim -f +'/^$/+1' -U .mutt/gvimrc"
 >(my specific example)
 >or
 >set editor="vim -u .mutt/vimrc"
 >anyway, no?  wouldn't that do pretty much the same thing?

oh sure. its just that that new feature provides this
"uniform" way to handle filetypes. in addition to what i
mentioned above, that feature will auto-detect filetypes,
like c/c++ (even muttrc if you so like, i think :) and still
execute those files.

but of course, it seems that here, is vim just being ... vim
: there is about a 1000 ways to accomplish the same thing :)

denis

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Re: New Mails Old Mails No Mails

[Thomas Kniep]

Am 17.09.2001 (17:47) schrieb David T-G:

Hi ...

> % I have read all the mails about the missing N Flag on not so new mails but
> % none of the tips seam to work for me.
> It can be confusing.  What you describe actually sounds like the correct
> behavior.

[...]

> Note that when you enter the mailbox, even if you don't make any changes
> or read any messages, you've accessed it, and so the next time mutt lists
> it in the browser it won't be marked as new.  That 'N' flag has *nothing*
> to do with the state of messages in the file, but actually is only an
> indication of the update time of the file.

OK I can live with that ... so lets change the question a bit:

What is the use of nomark_old? Is it just for the TAB business? I have
changed TAB to:

bind pager  next-unread
bind index  next-unread

is there any other use for it?

Is there any why to get an overview on unread mails (either marked N or O)?

I start mutt with die -y option and would like to see all the folder with
unread mail.

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GnuPG and accented characters

[René Clerc]

Hi everyone,

since we're talking about gpg anyway, perhaps I may find the answer to
my problem here.

as you can learn from my .signature, my name contains an e-accent-aigu.
When I generate my key, with this character in it, everything's fine,
but when I publish my key to the keyserver, it ends up like:

René Clerc

I used the both iso-8859-1 and iso-8859-2 for the --charset option,
but this doesn't help. Does anybody know how to handle this problem?
Is there another way of escaping this character in the gpg prompts?

Or should I change some TERM setting or so? (mine is 'screen' right
now)...

Or should I just change my name? (sigh...)

All the help is appreciated!

Regards,

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M$ Exchange and Mailboxes

[Johannes Zellner]

Hi,

There's one thing left I didn't get working with M$ Exchange & mutt:

If I do a 'c' (change folder) and type '?' for getting a list of
folders, mutt correctly displays a list of folders from the exchange
server. The only problem is that I can't select one of these folders.
The list looks like this:

 1IMAP +Aufgaben/
 2IMAP +Edgar/
 3IMAP +INBOX/
 ...

If I now choose for example 'INBOX' and type , I just get
another folder list with one entry

 1IMAP +../

but I'd rather like (and expect) mutt to open the specified folder.

What do I have to do to get the desired behaviour ?

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Re: New Mails Old Mails No Mails

[David T-G]

Thomas --

...and then Thomas Kniep said...
% Am 17.09.2001 (17:47) schrieb David T-G:
% 
% Hi ...

Hello again.


% 
% > Note that when you enter the mailbox, even if you don't make any changes
% > or read any messages, you've accessed it, and so the next time mutt lists
% > it in the browser it won't be marked as new.  That 'N' flag has *nothing*
% > to do with the state of messages in the file, but actually is only an
% > indication of the update time of the file.
% 
% OK I can live with that ... so lets change the question a bit:

Ready :-)


% 
% What is the use of nomark_old? Is it just for the TAB business? I have

Well, it could al so be for your use.  As I interpret it, the 'N' flag is
for mail that has arrived and which you have not yet evaluated -- read,
replied, or at least recognized.  Once you've recognized it, even if you
haven't read it or replied to it, you have seen it and you don't need to
have it called to your attention the next time you open the mailbox and
look for newly-arrived mail, so you could allow (with mark_old set) it to
be changed from 'N'ew to 'O'ld, even while preserving its unread status.

Of course, once you've read it, the 'N' or 'O' is cleared, and when you
reply the 'r' is set.

I use this to determine whether or not I "pretend" to have read it; when
a message comes in, if I can't identify it I read it (and I might delete
it, save it to another folder, reply to it, or whatever, finishing my
necessary processing) if I have the time (and if I don't have the time,
it just stays 'N').  If it's something of interest to read or process
later but not immediate, I'll re-mark it 'O'ld, indicating its unread
status (*wink*) but lowering its urgency; if it's something that will
need attention soon, I'll re-mark it 'N'ew to put it back on the heap, so
to speak.


% changed TAB to:
% 
% bind pager  next-unread
% bind index  next-unread
% 
% is there any other use for it?
% 
% Is there any why to get an overview on unread mails (either marked N or O)?

Hmmm...  You might have truly meant 'why' instead of 'way', and I don't
think there's an overview of that, but it's not a bad idea.  If you mean
'way', then I'm not sure what you mean other than the index view showing
them to you; if you want some sort of analysis like "23 New messages,
41 Old messages, 17 read messages, 6 replied messages" you'll have to
write it -- but it sounds like a lovely idea ;-)


% 
% I start mutt with die -y option and would like to see all the folder with
% unread mail.

Since mutt doesn't look inside the folders as it scans them (gosh,
imagine how frightfully long *that* could take!), you won't get any
information relevant to N/O/ /r at that stage (or at the folder browser
stage); that's where the update-time and access-time thing comes in.


% 
% -- 
% Thomas Kniep ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
% 

HTH & HAND


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Re: M$ Exchange and Mailboxes

[David T-G]

Johannes --

...and then Johannes Zellner said...
% Hi,

Hello!


% 
% There's one thing left I didn't get working with M$ Exchange & mutt:
% 
% If I do a 'c' (change folder) and type '?' for getting a list of
% folders, mutt correctly displays a list of folders from the exchange

Yay!


% server. The only problem is that I can't select one of these folders.
% The list looks like this:
% 
%  1IMAP +Aufgaben/
%  2IMAP +Edgar/
%  3IMAP +INBOX/
%  ...

Hrmmm...


% 
% If I now choose for example 'INBOX' and type , I just get
% another folder list with one entry

Can you, however, choose either of your other two examples and then
arrive at the mail folder, or do you have this problem with all of them?


% 
%  1IMAP +../
% 
% but I'd rather like (and expect) mutt to open the specified folder.

My vague recollection is that a trailing / means that it's a directory,
which is also indicated by the ../ "in" the folder.  Would you mind
trying

  mutt -f imap://server/INBOX
  mutt -f imap://server/INBOX/
  mutt -f imap://server/INBOX.

and reporting any differences in the results?  [Well, access your imap
server however you usually do; what I specifically meant was to change
the character trailing after INBOX and see what you got.]  I don't
*think* that this has to do with $imap_delim_chars (see 6.3.64 in the
manual), but it might.

Secondarily, the manual says

  4.11.1.  The Folder Browser

  As of version 1.2, mutt supports browsing mailboxes on an IMAP server.
...
  ·  For the case where an entry can contain both messages and
 subfolders, the selection key (bound to enter by default) will
 choose to descend into the subfolder view. If you wish to view the
 messages in that folder, you must use view-file instead (bound to
 space by default).

so you could try hitting the space bar instead of the return key to see
if that works, if you've really been hitting the return key.


% 
% What do I have to do to get the desired behaviour ?

Try this and get back to us :-)


% 
% -- 
%Johannes

HTH & HAND


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X-GPG headers [was: GnuPG and accented characters]

[René Clerc]

On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 11:19:22AM +0200, René Clerc wrote:
| Hi everyone,
| 
| since we're talking about gpg anyway, perhaps I may find the answer to
| my problem here.

Problem discussed in gnupg-users mailinglist. Problem lies with
keyservers not with me ;)

Another question:

are the X-GPG-*, X-PGP-* and alike headers generated because of some
configuration settings, or are they just results of several my_hdr
commands?

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Re: X-GPG headers [was: GnuPG and accented characters]

[David T-G]

René --

...and then Ren? Clerc said...
% On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 11:19:22AM +0200, René Clerc wrote:
% | 
% | since we're talking about gpg anyway, perhaps I may find the answer to
% | my problem here.
% 
% Problem discussed in gnupg-users mailinglist. Problem lies with
% keyservers not with me ;)

Good to know :-)


% 
% Another question:
% 
% are the X-GPG-*, X-PGP-* and alike headers generated because of some
% configuration settings, or are they just results of several my_hdr
% commands?

No, I think it's my_hdr stuff.


% 
% -- 
% René Clerc  - ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
% 
% Meteorologist, n.:
%   A man who can look in a woman's eyes and predict whether.

I thought that that was a meeting-her-ologist :-)


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Re: M$ Exchange and Mailboxes

[Johannes Zellner]

On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 05:59:28AM -0400, David T-G wrote:
> % If I now choose for example 'INBOX' and type , I just get
> % another folder list with one entry
> 
> Can you, however, choose either of your other two examples and then
> arrive at the mail folder, or do you have this problem with all of them?

I've the problem with all folders.

> % 
> %  1IMAP +../
> % 
> % but I'd rather like (and expect) mutt to open the specified folder.
> 
> My vague recollection is that a trailing / means that it's a directory,
> which is also indicated by the ../ "in" the folder.  Would you mind
> trying
> 
>   mutt -f imap://server/INBOX
>   mutt -f imap://server/INBOX/
>   mutt -f imap://server/INBOX.

none of these work.
but I can indeed select the files with  instead of .
That's pretty much ok (although letting mutt decide if it should
open it as folder or as file would be even better)

Thanks for your help.


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   Johannes

Re: Knowing when something is a thread when it is collapsed

[darren chamberlain]

Victor Yegorov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said something to this effect on 09/18/2001:
> * Cliff Sarginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [17.09.2001 19:55]:
> > Hello
> > I like to have threads collapsed by default.
> > However I would like some indication in the index display
> > that a message is the first in a thread.
> > Anyone know how I can do this ?
> > 
> 
> for indexer i use the following format:
> 
> [...]
> set index_format="%4C:%2E %Z %(!%b %d, %H:%M) %-17.17F %s"
> [...]
> 
> %4C stands for message number, %2E - for message number in thread.
> so i have something like this:

%E sounds like a hugely useful feature, but I can't seem to find
it in the mutt 1.2.5 manual; is it a feature of the 1.3.x
series?

(darren)

-- 
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Re: Knowing when something is a thread when it is collapsed

[Victor Yegorov]

* darren chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [18.09.2001 16:11]:
>
> %E sounds like a hugely useful feature, but I can't seem to find
> it in the mutt 1.2.5 manual; is it a feature of the 1.3.x
> series?
> 
i don't know exactly, but it seems to be so. i'm using 1.3.22.1i and
documentation is also for it.

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Re: X-GPG headers [was: GnuPG and accented characters]

[René Clerc]

On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 06:23:13AM -0400, David T-G wrote:
| % Another question:
| % 
| % are the X-GPG-*, X-PGP-* and alike headers generated because of some
| % configuration settings, or are they just results of several my_hdr
| % commands?
| 
| No, I think it's my_hdr stuff.

Ok. Then probably the final question:

(hope I'm not annoying you guys/girls ;)

how does mutt know which key to fetch from the server? Does it base
this on the e-mail address of the sender?

Because, when I view a message, I can't find any key id attached to
it...

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Re: adding aliases not only from "From:" fields

[Adam Shostack]

On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 06:54:15PM -0700, Denis Perelyubskiy wrote:
> hello,
> 
> is there any way to make mutt prompt me to add an alias
> based on some other field, other then From: ?

A slightly different question might be: How do I capture all the email
addresses that go by, so I can grab them later?  The answer is lbdb,
and I recommend it highly.

Adam


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Re: vim question

[Matt Spong]

> and (i can't resist)... one more quick vi / vim question.  is there a
> quick way to make the arrow keys work the same in insert mode and in
> command mode?  right now i get 'A','B','C' and 'D' instead.

:set nocp

This turns off strict vi compatibility and makes vim act much friendlier.

Matt

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Re: M$ Exchange and Mailboxes

[David T-G]

Johannes --

...and then Johannes Zellner said...
% On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 05:59:28AM -0400, David T-G wrote:
% > % If I now choose for example 'INBOX' and type , I just get
% > % another folder list with one entry
% > 
% > Can you, however, choose either of your other two examples and then
% > arrive at the mail folder, or do you have this problem with all of them?
% 
% I've the problem with all folders.

Hokay; it's not specific to the INBOX.  And it looks to have been figured
out below.  But ...


% 
% > which is also indicated by the ../ "in" the folder.  Would you mind
% > trying
% > 
% >   mutt -f imap://server/INBOX
% >   mutt -f imap://server/INBOX/
% >   mutt -f imap://server/INBOX.
% 
% none of these work.

That's interesting.  You should be able to access INBOX directly from the
command line; I just did that a few months ago.  I'm afraid, though, that
I don't remember the grammar I used, and I no longer have an exchange
server to use to try it again.


% but I can indeed select the files with  instead of .
% That's pretty much ok (although letting mutt decide if it should
% open it as folder or as file would be even better)

Yeah, but mutt doesn't know what you want to do -- each of these single
elements has two possibilities, so how could it?


% 
% Thanks for your help.

Glad to be of service.


% 
% 
% -- 
%Johannes


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Re: X-GPG headers [was: GnuPG and accented characters]

[David T-G]

René --

...and then Ren? Clerc said...
% On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 06:23:13AM -0400, David T-G wrote:
% | 
% | No, I think it's my_hdr stuff.
% 
% Ok. Then probably the final question:
% 
% (hope I'm not annoying you guys/girls ;)

Not yet :-)


% 
% how does mutt know which key to fetch from the server? Does it base
% this on the e-mail address of the sender?

Look into the mysteries of $pgp_getkeys_command to learn more
(translation: RTFM :-)


% 
% Because, when I view a message, I can't find any key id attached to
% it...

It has to be there or nobody would ever know, but it's embedded in the
PGP code itself (IIRC) and thus not so obvious to your eye.


% 
% -- 
% René Clerc  - ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
% 
% In order to maintain a well-balanced perspective, the person who has a
% dog to worship him should also have a cat to ignore him.


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Re: X-GPG headers [was: GnuPG and accented characters]

[René Clerc]

On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 09:50:24AM -0400, David T-G wrote:

| % how does mutt know which key to fetch from the server? Does it base
| % this on the e-mail address of the sender?
| 
| Look into the mysteries of $pgp_getkeys_command to learn more
| (translation: RTFM :-)

That command equals "" in my case ;)

This is because of GnuPG: when Mutt asks gpg for a key, and in case
gpg doesn't have it, it downloads the key from a server, and passes
it back to Mutt. So the retrieving is transparent to Mutt...

| % Because, when I view a message, I can't find any key id attached to
| % it...
| 
| It has to be there or nobody would ever know, but it's embedded in the
| PGP code itself (IIRC) and thus not so obvious to your eye.

It's probably somewhere in the PGP signature, I agree...

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Legacy PGP Woes

[Phil Gregory]

I'm having some issues with mutt and PGP.  PGP/MIME stuff works great, but
older things (like what pine puts out) does not.  I'm using the procmail
recipie that adds

Content-Type: application/pgp; format=text; x-action=encrypt

to the headers of emails with PGP messages in them, but when I go to read
such an email, mutt asks me for my PGP passphrase, then shows a
nearly-blank screen, saying only

[-- application/pgp is unsupported (use 'v' to view this part) --]

If I hit 'v' and go to the menu, mutt refuses to show me anything, saying
that a mailcap entry for application/pgp was not found.  I assume I'm
doing something stupid, but I can't figure out what it is.  Can someone
please help me?

Further information:

I'm using mutt version 1.0.20 on a Debian "unstable" distribution.  I'm
using gpg version 1.0.6.  I'm sourcing an essentially stock gpg.rc (I
changed pgpewrap to use its fullly qualified name, but nothing else).

Let me know if you need further information.

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Re: New Mails Old Mails No Mails

[Vineet Kumar]

* David T-G ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010918 02:51]:
> ...and then Thomas Kniep said...
> % Am 17.09.2001 (17:47) schrieb David T-G:
> % Is there any why to get an overview on unread mails (either marked N or O)?
> 
> Hmmm...  You might have truly meant 'why' instead of 'way', and I don't
> think there's an overview of that, but it's not a bad idea.  If you mean
> 'way', then I'm not sure what you mean other than the index view showing
> them to you; if you want some sort of analysis like "23 New messages,
> 41 Old messages, 17 read messages, 6 replied messages" you'll have to
> write it -- but it sounds like a lovely idea ;-)

try limiting to ~O, to display only old messages. limit is by default
bound to 'l', so you'd go like this:
hit l
at the limit prompt, type ~O, and hit enter
now you see only messages marked Old.

Or maybe you're looking for this [N=%n,*=%t,old=%o,post=%p,new=%b] in
your status_format somewhere?

HTH,

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Problem with outlook pgp patch & lotus notes

[Jean-Sebastien Morisset]

I've applied the outlook pgp patch to mutt v1.2.5. Everything is great,
but my boss, who uses Lotus Notes :-( has complained that my messages show
up as "msg.pgp" attachments! Looking at the headers of sent messages, they
look "normal" (pgp stuff in msg body, etc.), except for the following
header:

Content-Disposition: inline; filename="msg.pgp"

I don't think this header is needed since the messages I sent are now
text/plain.

How do you guys recommend I fix this? Edit the outlook pgp patch? I
haven't done any C in something like 10 years...

Thanks,
js.
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scores

[Matthias LOITSCH]

i cant assign a negative number to a score!

why does the command ... :

  score '~f [EMAIL PROTECTED]' -5

... not work???

it always assignes 0 to the messages
i have no problem with positive numbers.

thanks for your help


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Re: scores

[Dan Boger]

On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 10:22:08PM +0200, Matthias LOITSCH wrote:
> i cant assign a negative number to a score!
> 
> why does the command ... :
> 
>   score '~f [EMAIL PROTECTED]' -5
> 
> ... not work???
> 
> it always assignes 0 to the messages
> i have no problem with positive numbers.
> 
> thanks for your help

  The score commands adds value to a message's score if pattern matches
  it.  pattern is a string in the format described in the ``patterns''
  section.  value is a positive or negative integer.  A message's final
  score is the sum total of all matching score entries.  However, you may
  optionally prefix value with an equal sign (=) to cause evaluation to
  stop at a particular entry if there is a match.  Negative final scores
  are rounded up to 0.

"Negative final scores are rounded up to 0."  :)

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Paths not read from muttrc?

[Jim Crumley]

I've got a with some pathes that I set in my muttrc being
ignored.  A while back I wrote about print_command not being set
correctly. That problem could be worked around by manually
setting print_command after mutt had started, which isn't a big
deal since I don't print many emails. Now, I've found a similar
problem with mailcap_path - it is always set to ".mailcap:".
This also can be worked around by always running mutt from my
home directory, but it is annoying.

I know that my muttrc is being read, since other variables are
set correctly.  And even some paths are set correctly.  For
instance if I've set alias_file to some arbitrary filename in my
muttrc, the correct value is set.



Here's an excerpt from my muttrc:
set mailcap_path = ~/.mailcap
set print_command = '/usr/local/bin/enscript -2r'

And some output from set from inside of mutt:
:set mailcap_path
mailcap_path=".mailcap:"
:set print_command
print_command="/usr/ucb/lpr"

And from mutt -v:
System: SunOS 5.7 [using ncurses 4.2]
Compile options:
-DOMAIN
+DEBUG
-HOMESPOOL  -USE_SETGID  +USE_DOTLOCK  -DL_STANDALONE  
+USE_FCNTL  -USE_FLOCK
-USE_POP  -USE_IMAP  -USE_GSS  -USE_SSL  -USE_SASL  
+HAVE_REGCOMP  -USE_GNU_REGEX  
+HAVE_COLOR  +HAVE_START_COLOR  +HAVE_TYPEAHEAD  +HAVE_BKGDSET  
+HAVE_CURS_SET  +HAVE_META  +HAVE_RESIZETERM  
+HAVE_PGP  -BUFFY_SIZE -EXACT_ADDRESS  -SUN_ATTACHMENT  
+ENABLE_NLS  -LOCALES_HACK  +HAVE_WC_FUNCS
+HAVE_LANGINFO_CODESET  +HAVE_LANGINFO_YESEXPR  
+HAVE_ICONV  +ICONV_NONTRANS  +HAVE_GETSID  -HAVE_GETADDRINFO  
ISPELL="/usr/local/bin/ispell"
SENDMAIL="/usr/lib/sendmail"
MAILPATH="/var/mail"
PKGDATADIR="/home/crumley/local/share/mutt"
SYSCONFDIR="/home/crumley/local/etc"
EXECSHELL="/bin/sh"
-MIXMASTER

Any ideas what could be going on?

Thanks,
Jim

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How to *not* include myself in the reply message?

[Jun Sun]

Often times when I hit "g" for a group reply, I have myself included in 
the CC address.  Since I have already set up mutt such that I will 
get BCC'ed for my replies, I will then two copies of my own reply.

Is there a way to *not* include myself when I hit "g" group reply?

Thanks.

Jun

Re: How to *not* include myself in the reply message?

[Will Yardley]

Jun Sun wrote:
> 
> Often times when I hit "g" for a group reply, I have myself included
> in the CC address.  Since I have already set up mutt such that I will
> get BCC'ed for my replies, I will then two copies of my own reply.
> 
> Is there a way to *not* include myself when I hit "g" group reply?

from TFM:

metoo
Type: boolean
Default: no

If  unset,  Mutt  will remove your address from the
list of recipients when replying to a message.



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Re: How to *not* include myself in the reply message?

[Jun Sun]

On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 02:59:28PM -0700, Will Yardley wrote:
> Jun Sun wrote:
> > 
> > Often times when I hit "g" for a group reply, I have myself included
> > in the CC address.  Since I have already set up mutt such that I will
> > get BCC'ed for my replies, I will then two copies of my own reply.
> > 
> > Is there a way to *not* include myself when I hit "g" group reply?
> 
> from TFM:
> 
> metoo
>   Type: boolean
>   Default: no
> 
>   If  unset,  Mutt  will remove your address from the
>   list of recipients when replying to a message.
> 
>
Hmm, first I did not change 'metoo'.  Secondly even if I explicitly set
'metoo' to no, I still see my address included in group reply.

I think it might has to do with my folder setting.  I have set up such
that in different folders I have different "From:" address.  Perhaps
mutt does not recognize those additional "From:" addresses as "me", and
consequently include them in the group reply.

Is there anyway to tell mutt what addresses are considered "me" so that
it won't include any of them when I hit "g" group reply?  Or is there way
to mutt respect the current "From:" and regard it as "me" ?

Jun 

Re: How to *not* include myself in the reply message?

[Jonathan Irving]

On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 04:26:34PM -0700, Jun Sun wrote:
> Is there anyway to tell mutt what addresses are considered "me" so that
> it won't include any of them when I hit "g" group reply?  Or is there way
> to mutt respect the current "From:" and regard it as "me" ?

set alternates=...

HTH

cheers
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Re: How to *not* include myself in the reply message?

[Ryan Cook]

[...snip...]

> Hmm, first I did not change 'metoo'.  Secondly even if I explicitly set
> 'metoo' to no, I still see my address included in group reply.
> 
> I think it might has to do with my folder setting.  I have set up such
> that in different folders I have different "From:" address.  Perhaps
> mutt does not recognize those additional "From:" addresses as "me", and
> consequently include them in the group reply.
> 
> Is there anyway to tell mutt what addresses are considered "me" so that
> it won't include any of them when I hit "g" group reply?  Or is there way
> to mutt respect the current "From:" and regard it as "me" ?

Try looking up 'set alternates' in TFM.

/rc
 
> Jun 

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Re: How to *not* include myself in the reply message?

[Andy Wingo]

Hi Jun,

On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, Jun Sun wrote:
[...]
> Is there anyway to tell mutt what addresses are considered "me" so that
> it won't include any of them when I hit "g" group reply?  Or is there way
> to mutt respect the current "From:" and regard it as "me" ?

check 'alternates' in the manual. that should help.

> Jun 

Regards,

wingo

Re: How to *not* include myself in the reply message?

[Piet Delport]

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On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 at 16:26:34 -0700, Jun Sun wrote:
> I think it might has to do with my folder setting.  I have set up such
> that in different folders I have different "From:" address.  Perhaps
> mutt does not recognize those additional "From:" addresses as "me",
> and consequently include them in the group reply.
>=20
> Is there anyway to tell mutt what addresses are considered "me" so
> that it won't include any of them when I hit "g" group reply?  Or is
> there way to mutt respect the current "From:" and regard it as "me" ?

Are you looking for "alternates"?

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inews a inn.conf

[Matěj Cepl]

Hi,

I would like to use mutt as a news client (using 1.3.22.1i-nntp by 
Vsevolod Volkov; remembering VC as the best filemanager for DOS -- is 
it the same guy?). Reading is fine, but when I try to post (to local 
leafnode), inews answers, that I have not set mta variable in inn.conf.
Which is strange, because I think that I have (see attached).

Thanks in advance

Matej Cepl

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mta : /usr/sbin/sendmail -oem -oi

Fixing outlook pgp patch for lotus notes.

[Jean-Sebastien Morisset]

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I haven't done any C in a long time, but I thought I'd give it a try. The
idea was to get rid of the 'Content-Disposition: inline; filename="msg.pgp"'
header, but the best I could do was remove the filename. :-) It seems to run
fine, but perhaps someone could tell me if I've broken anything? :-)

Here's my small mod:

   1500   /* jsmoriss: fix for lotus notes - exclude msg.pgp filename from */
   1501   /* content-disposition */
   1502 
   1503   b->unlink = 1;
   1504   b->disposition = DISPINLINE;
   1505 
   1506   if (flags & PGPOUTLOOK) {
   1507  b->use_disp = 0;
   1508   } else {
   1509  b->d_filename = safe_strdup ("msg.pgp");
   1510  b->use_disp = 1;
   1511   }

Before the mod:

Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Disposition: inline; filename="msg.pgp"

After the mod:

Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Disposition: inline

If I don't set b->disposition, then I get a 'Content-Disposition: attachment'
header which is no good either. :-)

Thanks,
js.
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Re: Legacy PGP Woes

[Phil Gregory]

On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 11:47:59AM -0700, Vineet Kumar wrote:
> * Phil Gregory ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010918 09:20]:
> > I'm having some issues with mutt and PGP.  PGP/MIME stuff works great, but
> > older things (like what pine puts out) does not.  I'm using the procmail
> ...
> > I'm using mutt version 1.0.20 on a Debian "unstable" distribution.  I'm
> > using gpg version 1.0.6.  I'm sourcing an essentially stock gpg.rc (I
> > changed pgpewrap to use its fullly qualified name, but nothing else).
> 
> Would you be adverse to upgrading mutt to the version in Debian
> unstable? It's using 1.3.22 at the time of this writing. In more recent
> versions (don't know when exactly in the 1.3 series this showed up) you
> can just use esc-P to tell mutt 'check-traditional-pgp' and not have to
> munge your messages via procmail.

Oops.  That was quite a typo.  I was actually running 1.3.20, but have
just upgraded to 1.3.22.  That did not solve the problem, either.  And,
when I tried Esc-P, I got the same result (application/pgp unsupported).
Suspecting misconfigureation, I checked my .muttrc and related files again
and found that I had application/pgp in my auto_view list.  (I've a lot of
things in there, so I'm not surprised I missed it last time.

So that's it.  In order for PGP stuff to work properly, application/pgp
must *not* be in the auto_view list.


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Re: News and Mutt

[Louis LeBlanc]

On 09/17/01 08:30 PM, Cliff Sarginson sat at the `puter and typed:
> Hello
> Now that I have joined the mutt fan club I would like also to
> somehow read news messages with it..
> Is this feasible ?
> Is it ridiculous ?
> 
> -- 
> Regards
> Cliff

Hey.  Try the VVV patches (links from the mutt site - user links).
This is my nntp patch of preference, and it works quite well.  I'd
have done a couple things slightly different had I the skills and time
that the author obviously had, but I find it better and easier than
the others I've tried.

If you are running FreeBSD, check the port makefile.  All you have to
do is define a couple defs in the make command.  Piece 'O Cake.

HTH

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Re: Legacy PGP Woes

[Vineet Kumar]

* Phil Gregory ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010918 19:48]:
> So that's it.  In order for PGP stuff to work properly, application/pgp
> must *not* be in the auto_view list.

That's good to know ... sounds like something it might have taken me a
long time to figure that out. It kind of makes sense, though, in
retrospect: if mutt uses autoview for application/pgp, it tries to
hand it to mailcap rather than handle it on its own.

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Re: How to *not* include myself in the reply message?

[Rino Mardo]

On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 04:26:34PM -0700 or thereabouts, Jun Sun wrote:
> Hmm, first I did not change 'metoo'.  Secondly even if I explicitly set
> 'metoo' to no, I still see my address included in group reply.
> 
> I think it might has to do with my folder setting.  I have set up such
> that in different folders I have different "From:" address.  Perhaps
> mutt does not recognize those additional "From:" addresses as "me", and
> consequently include them in the group reply.
> 
> Is there anyway to tell mutt what addresses are considered "me" so that
> it won't include any of them when I hit "g" group reply?  Or is there way
> to mutt respect the current "From:" and regard it as "me" ?
> 
from TFM look for alternates.

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Re: Problem with outlook pgp patch & lotus notes

[Rino Mardo]

On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 04:33:07PM -0400 or thereabouts, Jean-Sebastien Morisset wrote:
> I've applied the outlook pgp patch to mutt v1.2.5. Everything is great,
> but my boss, who uses Lotus Notes :-( has complained that my messages show
> up as "msg.pgp" attachments! Looking at the headers of sent messages, they
> look "normal" (pgp stuff in msg body, etc.), except for the following
> header:
> 
> Content-Disposition: inline; filename="msg.pgp"
> 
> I don't think this header is needed since the messages I sent are now
> text/plain.
> 
> How do you guys recommend I fix this? Edit the outlook pgp patch? I
> haven't done any C in something like 10 years...
> 
are you sending within your notes network or from the internet?  if
it's from outside your notes network you could just tell your domino
mail server to use plain text for incoming messages.

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spaces in attachments -- or modifying the attachment name ?

[Johannes Zellner]

Hi,

as it was discussed on this list recently, I can automatically attach
a file by putting

my_hdr Attach ~/fred.txt

into my ~/.muttrc.

Now I've two questions with this:

1) what if the file name contains spaces ?
   I tried quotin the file name, but tat didn't help

2) can I modify the name of the attachment as it appears in the
   sent mail, e.g. suppose I'd like not 'fred.txt' to appear, but
   'lola.txt' (but the attached file is still fred.txt).


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going immediately to the folder list

[Johannes Zellner]

Hi,

is it possible to go immediatly to the folder list, if hitting 'c' ?

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Defaulting to inbox on startup

[collin]

Is there any way to have mutt default to either the inbox on startup, or
default to a folder that has new mail in it?

Another question I have is about using vim for writing e-mails.  I have
successfully been able to setup vim to wrap at 80 or so characters.
However, if I edit the message, the word wrapping is not preserved.  For
example, if I were to edit my first question above and add two or three
words to it, the line would extend past 80 chars and not wrap unless I
manually edit it.  Is there a solution for this?

Collin Peters

Re: Defaulting to inbox on startup

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

[EMAIL PROTECTED]  [18/09/01 23:33 -0700]:
> Is there any way to have mutt default to either the inbox on startup, or
> default to a folder that has new mail in it?

Mutt by default goes to /var/mail/$user (or /var/spool/mail/$user).  
Try "mutt -y" though - it brings you directly to the folder list.

> Another question I have is about using vim for writing e-mails.  I have
> successfully been able to setup vim to wrap at 80 or so characters.
> However, if I edit the message, the word wrapping is not preserved.  For

set editor="vim +':set tw=77' +':set wrap' +\`awk '/^$/ {print i+2; exit} {i++}' %s\` 
%s" 

single line - unwrap if necessary.

-suresh

Re: Defaulting to inbox on startup

[Will Yardley]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Is there any way to have mutt default to either the inbox on startup,
> or default to a folder that has new mail in it?

you can default to a specific mailbox with:
mutt -f mailbox

you can have mutt open the first mailbox in 'mailboxes' that has new
mail with:
mutt -Z

so you could alias mutt to "mutt -Z" in your shell configuration file.

these two command line options are listed right at the top of the
proverbial 'FM'
 
> Another question I have is about using vim for writing e-mails.  I
> have successfully been able to setup vim to wrap at 80 or so
> characters.  However, if I edit the message, the word wrapping is not
> preserved.  For example, if I were to edit my first question above and
> add two or three words to it, the line would extend past 80 chars and
> not wrap unless I manually edit it.  Is there a solution for this?

the easiest way i know of is typing:
gqip
which will reformat the current paragraph.

gqap reformats all paragraphs i think.  quoting and stuff will be
preserved as long as '>' is set in 'comments' in your .vimrc or in the
systemwide vimrc (this is the default)

i miss the normal way of doing things sometimes, but usually gqip is
more flexible and useful. it's very useful for reformatting other
peoples' paragraphs correctly and at the same width as your own text.

w

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Re: Defaulting to inbox on startup

[iain truskett]

* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [19 Sep 2001 06:58]:
> Is there any way to have mutt default to either the inbox on startup, or
> default to a folder that has new mail in it?

At your command prompt, type: mutt -Z || mutt

In zsh, and presumably bash, you can set an alias. e.g.

alias mutt="mutt -Z || mutt"

Put that in your .profile or .bashrc, and then, when you type 'mutt', it
will see if there's new mail anywhere. If so, it'll open to that folder,
else it will open to the inbox.


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fetchming mail from imap

[Johannes Zellner]

Hi,

is there a command to manuall fetch new mail (from imap) ?
I've currently imap_checkinterval=30 which works fine, but
for testing it would be sometimes nice to have a command to
immediately fetch new mail.

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Re: fetchming mail from imap

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

Johannes Zellner  [19/09/01 09:14 +0200]:
> is there a command to manuall fetch new mail (from imap) ?
> I've currently imap_checkinterval=30 which works fine, but
> for testing it would be sometimes nice to have a command to
> immediately fetch new mail.

$ = sync mailbox

-suresh

Re: Defaulting to inbox on startup

[Roberto Suarez Soto]

On Sep/18/2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Another question I have is about using vim for writing e-mails.  I have

This is not a question really related to vim, or to Colin's message,
but ... well, just out of curiosity: how many people started using vim as
editor just by influence of this list? :-) I know I did, because everyone here
seemed to use it with great success, and maybe others did too :-)

> However, if I edit the message, the word wrapping is not preserved.  For
> example, if I were to edit my first question above and add two or three
> words to it, the line would extend past 80 chars and not wrap unless I
> manually edit it.  Is there a solution for this?

I don't know O:-) What I usually do in that cases is to use Control+J,
which I have mapped to:

imap   gqap

That usually fixes everything, and has become a second-nature for me.

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