from:"Red.Falcon"

Hi there!
You might find it a bit slow unless you've got Keyboard commander on!
Also you will need to check the [vo controlled by apple scripts ] you can do 
this [if you haven't already] by opening vo utility [vo+f8] and you should be 
on the general heading just scroll to that check box and check it!

Then if you press command+8 you will be on the commanders select the keyboard 
one and you will find options to change [if you like] and a table of preset 
commands like right option+M for mail and S for safari!
And of course you can make your own!

hth Colin

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> Great thank you 
> 
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> Subject: Re: Time Shortcut Key
> 
> Right Option T.
> On May 26, 2012, at 9:40 AM, Jesus Garcia wrote:
> 
>> Good morning list members this is probably a silly question 
>> considering I have been playing with my mac for about a month, but can 
>> someone tell me if there is a time checking shortcut key like insert  
>> function key 12 for Jaws or insert T for window eyes?
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Re: Time Shortcut Key

Hi Stacey!
It is the same command!
If you can find a message in this thread from me you can get directions to set 
up Keyboard commander to get it working properly!
Colin

On 26 May 2012, at 20:23, Stacey Robinson wrote:

> What is the shortcut for this on the macbook?
> On May 26, 2012, at 8:59 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:
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>> Right Option T.
>> On May 26, 2012, at 9:40 AM, Jesus Garcia wrote:
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>>> Good morning list members this is probably a silly question considering I
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>>> there is a time checking shortcut key like insert  function key 12 for Jaws
>>> or insert T for window eyes?
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Re: Time Shortcut Key

Hi again!
OH I thought all Mac books had the same layout as the wireless keyboard!
So what do you have to the right of your spacebar then?
Colin

On 27 May 2012, at 00:12, Stacey Robinson wrote:

> I don't have a right option key on my macbook.
> On May 26, 2012, at 2:53 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
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>> Hi Stacey!
>> It is the same command!
>> If you can find a message in this thread from me you can get directions to 
>> set up Keyboard commander to get it working properly!
>> Colin
>> 
>> On 26 May 2012, at 20:23, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>> 
>>> What is the shortcut for this on the macbook?
>>> On May 26, 2012, at 8:59 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Right Option T.
>>>> On May 26, 2012, at 9:40 AM, Jesus Garcia wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Good morning list members this is probably a silly question considering I
>>>>> have been playing with my mac for about a month, but can someone tell me 
>>>>> if
>>>>> there is a time checking shortcut key like insert  function key 12 for 
>>>>> Jaws
>>>>> or insert T for window eyes?
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Re: Time Shortcut Key

Hi again!
Sorry but in those instructions on how to set up keyboard commander there is a 
option to make the Left option key as the default!
So just in case you cannot find those instructions *smile* here goes!

1. open vo utility with vo+f8 and you should be on general scroll across to the 
[allow voiceover to be controlled by apple scripts] check box and check it on!
2. then just press Command+8 and that will take you to the commanders, then 
select the keyboard tab!
3 scroll through the options like make left option key the default and change 
any thing you think you need!

There will be a table of preset commands like M for mail and S for safari and 
of course T for time!

This is also where you can set up your own shortcuts [but a little tip] do not 
be tempted to set one up for Itunes there is a conflict with Itunes library 
chooser and can get in the way!
hth Colin

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> I don't have a right option key on my macbook.
> On May 26, 2012, at 2:53 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
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>> Hi Stacey!
>> It is the same command!
>> If you can find a message in this thread from me you can get directions to 
>> set up Keyboard commander to get it working properly!
>> Colin
>> 
>> On 26 May 2012, at 20:23, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>> 
>>> What is the shortcut for this on the macbook?
>>> On May 26, 2012, at 8:59 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Right Option T.
>>>> On May 26, 2012, at 9:40 AM, Jesus Garcia wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Good morning list members this is probably a silly question considering I
>>>>> have been playing with my mac for about a month, but can someone tell me 
>>>>> if
>>>>> there is a time checking shortcut key like insert  function key 12 for 
>>>>> Jaws
>>>>> or insert T for window eyes?
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Re: Time Shortcut Key

2012-05-27 Thread Red.Falcon

Yeah I had a brain burp!
Oh well!
hahahahhahahahehehehe
Colin

On 27 May 2012, at 11:41, Garth Humphreys wrote:

> lol 
> I guess they meant that it would be slow if you didn't have theAllow 
> VoiceOver to be controlled with AppleScript check box checked.
> 
> Garth 
> On 27/05/2012, at 7:59 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> Slow?  I would say so.  You can't check the time with the keystroke at all 
>> if keyboard command isn't on. :)
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
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>> 
>> On May 26, 2012, at 10:59 AM, Red.Falcon  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi there!
>>> You might find it a bit slow unless you've got Keyboard commander on!
>>> Also you will need to check the [vo controlled by apple scripts ] you can 
>>> do this [if you haven't already] by opening vo utility [vo+f8] and you 
>>> should be on the general heading just scroll to that check box and check it!
>>> 
>>> Then if you press command+8 you will be on the commanders select the 
>>> keyboard one and you will find options to change [if you like] and a table 
>>> of preset commands like right option+M for mail and S for safari!
>>> And of course you can make your own!
>>> 
>>> hth Colin
>>> 
>>> On 26 May 2012, at 15:17, Jesus Garcia wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Great thank you 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 09:59
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Time Shortcut Key
>>>> 
>>>> Right Option T.
>>>> On May 26, 2012, at 9:40 AM, Jesus Garcia wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Good morning list members this is probably a silly question 
>>>>> considering I have been playing with my mac for about a month, but can 
>>>>> someone tell me if there is a time checking shortcut key like insert  
>>>>> function key 12 for Jaws or insert T for window eyes?
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Re: Garageband podcast

2012-06-05 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi Stacey!
OK I went from this link in this message and they are there look for getting 
started with garage band!
If you have not used the web rota you can call this up with VO+U and if your on 
links just start typing G E and you will be left with the Garage band links so 
just press vo space to take you to the link from the rota and then you can 
either just start it with vo space or use one of the options to download!
HTH colin
OH yeah there is also the item chooser with VO +I and like the web rota if you 
type get then that should also take you to the links!

On 6 Jun 2012, at 04:39, Stacey Robinson wrote:

> Ricardo,
> I still don't see them.
> I saw iPad unboxing and other podcasts but not garage band. What am I doing 
> wrong.
> 
> On Jun 5, 2012, at 9:14 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> You can find them here.
>> http://www.appletothecore.info/search?updated-max=2012-01-10T04:50:00-05:00&max-results=7
>> 
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Jun 5, 2012, at 6:04 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ricardo,
>>> Can you give me a direct link to your garageband podcast? I couldn't find 
>>> it on your site.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Stacey and GEB dog Chesley
>>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>> 
 Use garageband.  As far as no background noise, do you have a sound proof 
 booth?  If not, it will just be as quite as the quietest room you can find.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Jun 5, 2012, at 1:17 PM, Krysti .Power  wrote:
 
> How would I record my voice plus music with no background noise on my mac
> 
> On 2012-06-04 8:30 PM, "Stacey Robinson"  wrote:
> Can you edit the volume in quick time?
> On Jun 4, 2012, at 4:11 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
> 
>> Well, you can do editing in Quicktime but I wouldn't attempt anything 
>> fancy. Others can recommend better apps such as GarageBand which has a 
>> lot more features. Generally with Quicktime you can trim junk off the 
>> beginning or end fairly easily. Load up your clip and then choose Trim 
>> from the Edit menu (or hit Command-T). That puts you in the editor where 
>> you can navigate to the "multiple indicators timeline". Interact with 
>> that and you'll find two draggable indicators for start time and end 
>> time. You can jump between those with VO-Up and VO-Down. To change the 
>> value of either one you interact with it and then VO-Left or VO-right. 
>> Plain old home and end moves the play head to either end of what you 
>> have left. Once you have the positions where you want them stop 
>> interacting with the timeline (you will have to VO-shift-up twice) find 
>> the trim button and action that. Escape will take you out of edit and 
>> all that's left is what you didn't trim. Then you can choose iTunes from 
>> the Share menu to dump your trimmed audio into iTunes to do whatever you 
>> like with it.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 6/4/12 4:38 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>>> I'm using quick time.
>>> On Jun 4, 2012, at 2:58 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>>> 
 What app are you using for editing?
 
 CB
 
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> Chris,
> I've just figured out how to make a recording, but when I try and 
> edit it delete, undo, etc. all my edit options are dimmed.
> Do I need to change any settings in quicktime?
> On May 31, 2012, at 1:21 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
> 
>> That's pretty broad. The simplest thing would be to use the built-in 
>> mic of your mac and choose New Audio Recording from the QuickTime 
>> Player menu. Beyond that it depends on what kind of recording you 
>> want to make and at what level of quality.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 5/31/12 1:48 PM, Mary Scott wrote:
>>> Is there a way to record a note or singing?  How might I do that?
>>> 
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Re: interacting was question for all voice over trainers: trouble interacting with items

2012-06-06 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi and if they get the hang of quicknav!
You can also interact with down/right arrows pressed together and left/down 
arrows to stop interacting also pressed down together!
And just for info up/down arrows together is the same as vo+spacebar!
hth Colin

On 6 Jun 2012, at 21:19, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:

> There is no WRONG time to interact, unless what you're trying to do is 
> outside the scope of the portion of the window you're interacting with at the 
> moment.  To interact, press VO Shift Down-arrow, and to stop interacting, 
> press VO Shift Up-arrow.  Just that simple.  If interacting yields you no 
> significant results, stop interacting and try something else.
> 
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Re: interacting was question for all voice over trainers: trouble interacting with items

2012-06-06 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi there!
Well vo+W reads the word vo+WW spells the word vo+www spells the word with 
those words like tango bravo and so on!
hth Colin

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> This is one way in which VO is a little bit awkward; that sometimes you have 
> have to interact two levels down just to get to the ability to spell or 
> phonetically sound out a word.  I wish there was a "spell current word," 
> feature; I guess I could maybe set one up in one of the commanders...
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Re: skipe

2012-06-11 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi there!
Adium was good for doing facebook chat and others!
But you can do facebook chat within Skype now if you tie facebook to Skype!

Colin

On 11 Jun 2012, at 21:57, Kimsan wrote:

> Lol, I thought it did. What the heck did I get adium for then?
> When I log into adium I think I see my fb contacts, not sure. Don't remember
> right now. I have skipe, the account and all that set up already.
> My skipe is kimsan224 if you wanna assist probono off list smile!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> Hi, Kimsan.
> That's a complex question, but the first step is to go do www.skype.com and
> download the app for Mac OSX.  After that, assuming you have an account, I
> would be honored to help off list with any questions.  Skype and Adium have
> nothing to do with one another, BTW.
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Re: Safari Web Page Navigation

2012-06-13 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi I do not know if this is what you want!
But command+right arrow goes forward a page and left arrow goes back a page!
And command+left bracket goes back and right bracket goes forward a page!
hth 
Colin

On 13 Jun 2012, at 15:23, Søren Jensen wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> That depends if the command opens websides in different tabs. If this is the 
> case, I don't remember the shortcut key for switching tabs, but try ctrl tab.
> I find Voiceovers window chooser easier when it comes to switching to an 
> other window. The shortcut key is VO f2 twice. That works all the time.
> Best regards:
> Søren Jensen
> Mail & MSN:
> s...@coolfortheblind.dk
> Website:
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> 
> Den 13/06/2012 kl. 15.58 skrev Emilio Hernandez:
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> After reviewing the archives, I am still at a loss.
>> When opening a web page by pressing command with numbers 1-9, how can I 
>> cycle through the open pages?
>> What I am trying to achieve is basically when opening a web page, cycling 
>> through the open pages and placing focus on a particular page.
>> If this is not possible, what alternative exists? I'm aware of CMD-accent, 
>> which works great with open windows.
>> 
>> Thank you all for your invaluable help.
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Re: question about iPhone training

2012-06-18 Thread Red.Falcon

Yes I found in my store to be to noisy I wonder why Apple stores have a quiet 
room[s] for this use!
Colin

On 18 Jun 2012, at 13:54, Les Kriegler wrote:

> There are 2 issues to consider about one on one training at an Apple store.  
> First, while the reps have heard of VoiceOver, it doesn't mean they really 
> know it.  She would have to find someone at the store with whom she could 
> work on a regular basis.  When I purchased our first Mac, this is what I did, 
> I had to work it out with the store manager.  I had a better experience once 
> I identified the rep who knew VoiceOver.  The second issue is that training 
> must take place in the store out in the open.  You sit at a table on a high 
> stool, and you have to block out the noise around you.  If she becomes 
> rattled easily, I don't think this would be the most optimal  learning 
> environment for a beginner.  One on One training in a quiet setting is a 
> better route to go, in my opinion.
> 
> Les
> On Jun 18, 2012, at 8:33 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys.
>> I have a blind friend who is considering getting an iPhone down the line. 
>> She's not ready yet because she's getting a new computer. I couldn't talk 
>> her into switching to a Mac, unfortunately. The big reason she won't switch 
>> is because she believes she will need pdf files and the ability to edit the 
>> things. Because she's sort of experienced with a computer but sort of not, 
>> I'm concerned about her getting a Windows computer with little tech support. 
>> She just retired from a job where she was using Windows, and she had tech 
>> support any time things went wrong. Despite her experience at work, her 
>> computer skills are a little shaky, especially if anything goes wrong. I at 
>> least talked her into a laptop and going somewhere to get her computer where 
>> they have tech people. 
>> 
>> Much to my surprise, she said she wanted an iPhone down the line. Maybe I 
>> can talk her into waiting for 6.0 IOS. Here's my question to y'all. Because 
>> she tends to get rattled when learning new computer stuff, does anybody know 
>> if VoiceOver users can pay Apple for one-on-one with the iPhone like you can 
>> on the Mac? I know they have classes, but she would be the only blind person 
>> in the class, and I think she's going to need one-on-one. I may have to give 
>> it to her myself, but I think she would like it better done by someone 
>> professional instead of a long-time friend. 
>> 
>> 
>> Eugenia Firth
>> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Upgrading to lion from snow leopard

2012-06-19 Thread Red.Falcon

This came from Apple!

Apple today announced that OS X Mountain Lion, the ninth major release of the 
world’s most advanced desktop operating system, will be available in July. 
Mountain Lion introduces more than 200 innovative features, including the new 
Messages app, Notification Center, system-wide sharing, Facebook integration, 
Dictation, Power Nap, AirPlay Mirroring, Game Center, and the enhanced security 
of Gatekeeper. With iCloud built into the foundation of OS X, Mountain Lion 
makes it easier than ever to keep your content up to date across all your 
devices. OS X Mountain Lion will be available in July from the Mac App Store 
for $19.99 (US). The OS X Mountain Lion Up-to-Date upgrade is available at no 
additional charge via the Mac App Store to all customers who purchased a 
qualifying new Mac system from Apple or an Apple Authorized Reseller on or 
after June 11, 2012.
Read more…


Colin
On 19 Jun 2012, at 14:42, Kliphton wrote:

> so what your saying is mountain lion is going to be releaced in the next 2 
> weeks?
> On Jun 18, 2012, at 7:06 PM, Jasonlefevers.massage wrote:
> 
>> Why not just wait a few weeks and update to mountain lion? 
>> 
>> Jason LeFevers 
>> State of Maryland Registered massage practitioner 
>> Call 443-570-8660 or email jasonlefevers.mass...@gmail.com to schedule a 
>> massage today! 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 18, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I'm thinking of upgrading to Lion from snow leopard.
>>> My macbook white from 2009 which I got on sale has one gb of ram is this 
>>> enough to upgrade to lion and still have good voiceover performance or do I 
>>> need more ram?
>>> Can I just download lion from the app store and let it install?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Stacey and GEB dog Chesley.
>>> 
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Re: Upgrading to lion from snow leopard

2012-06-19 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi Daniel!
Well I've noticed the UK prices are the same so on the face of things it looks 
like we pay more!
Do not be surprised if it is £19.99P  in the UK app store!
But [and I'm not sure] our American friends have other cost's after purchase!!

Colin

On 19 Jun 2012, at 15:04, Daniel McGee wrote:

> Hi all, how much would $19.99 be in the UK  as I don't live in the US? 
> 
> Thanks 
> 
> Daniel
> On 19 Jun 2012, at 14:55, Daniel Miller wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I don't recommend upgrading with that amount of ram. I had a white MacBook
>> with only 2GB of ram, and Lion ran extremely, extremely slow on that
>> machine.
>> As far as when Mountain Lion is going to be released, all we know is
>> sometime in July. It could be the beginning, it could be the end.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 8:42 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Upgrading to lion from snow leopard
>> 
>> so what your saying is mountain lion is going to be released in the next 2
>> weeks?
>> On Jun 18, 2012, at 7:06 PM, Jasonlefevers.massage wrote:
>> 
>>> Why not just wait a few weeks and update to mountain lion? 
>>> 
>>> Jason LeFevers
>>> State of Maryland Registered massage practitioner Call 443-570-8660 or 
>>> email jasonlefevers.mass...@gmail.com to schedule a massage today!
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Stacey Robinson 
>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 I'm thinking of upgrading to Lion from snow leopard.
 My macbook white from 2009 which I got on sale has one gb of ram is this
>> enough to upgrade to lion and still have good voiceover performance or do I
>> need more ram?
 Can I just download lion from the app store and let it install?
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Re: Moving to top of message table

Hi there!
That command works here OK! I'm using a Wireless Keyboard so need the FN key as 
well!
So I hold the FN+VO with my left hand and do Shift+left/right arrows with my 
Right!
Also I've got a Keyboard shortcut to do the same thing! So all I do is press 
right option+1 to go to top and 2 for the bottom!
That command is set to keep me in the same column so if I start in Subject I 
stay in Subject!
hth Colin
PS. I'm still on Snowy Kitty!

On 20 Jun 2012, at 21:44, Lisette Wesseling wrote:

> Hi all,
> Is there a way of quickly getting to top of message table in mail?
> When I do vo, fn shift left arrow, I get to a button called "select by date 
> menu button". I'm still at the bottom of the message table. I can obviously 
> arrow up but that takes a while with a large mailbox.
> Any suggestions? I'm on a macbook pro hence the need for the fn key.
> 
> Lisette
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Re: Moving to top of message table

OK Yes there is the trackpad option as well!
But if you want the Keyboard version here it is!
I'll do it as if someone needs it from the beginning!

1, Open VoO utility with VO+f8
You should be on General scroll across to the [allow voiceover to be controlled 
by applescripts ] check box and checkit!
2, press command+8 and this will take you to the commanders, and go and select 
the Keyboard commander tab!
3, you can enable keyboard commander, then next you can choose which option key 
you wish to use! [it should be on the right one by default]
4, now you can go to the table of shortcuts [and there will be some already 
there] like option+T for the time and option+S for safari!
Next to the table is the add button select it!
5, The 1st field is where you put the key you wish to use [have the key in 
mind]because it must be put in 1st!
6, Next is the menu of commands you want to use!
So pick the Navigation sub menu and if you want to set the option to go to the 
top and stay in the same column pick the [go to most visible top or for the end 
most visible end!
hth colin
On 20 Jun 2012, at 22:58, Traci wrote:

> I as well use control-option-shift home or shift-end.  Since I'm on a macbook 
> Air, I need the function key.
> 
> After a while, I found all these buttons annoying, so i use the trackpad 
> commanders and set up shift-flick-down to go to top and shift-flick-up to go 
> to the bottom.  So much easier.  :)
> 
> Traci
> Sent by Macbook Air Mail
> 
> On Jun 20, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
> 
>> Ok well that doesn't work for me. I wonder what I've got screwy in my 
>> mailbox. I still can't see my on my mac mailboxes. So something is very 
>> weird with mine.
>> How did you set up those short cuts.
>> 
>> On 21/06/2012, at 8:58 AM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi there!
>>> That command works here OK! I'm using a Wireless Keyboard so need the FN 
>>> key as well!
>>> So I hold the FN+VO with my left hand and do Shift+left/right arrows with 
>>> my Right!
>>> Also I've got a Keyboard shortcut to do the same thing! So all I do is 
>>> press right option+1 to go to top and 2 for the bottom!
>>> That command is set to keep me in the same column so if I start in Subject 
>>> I stay in Subject!
>>> hth Colin
>>> PS. I'm still on Snowy Kitty!
>>> 
>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 21:44, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> Is there a way of quickly getting to top of message table in mail?
>>>> When I do vo, fn shift left arrow, I get to a button called "select by 
>>>> date menu button". I'm still at the bottom of the message table. I can 
>>>> obviously arrow up but that takes a while with a large mailbox.
>>>> Any suggestions? I'm on a macbook pro hence the need for the fn key.
>>>> 
>>>> Lisette
>>>> 
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Re: Moving to top of message table

The only thing I can think of is you might have picked the wrong item in the 
menu! There is the go to End and go to most visible end!
Just check which one you have!
And if you got the right option of command I do not know why it is not working 
for you!

On 20 Jun 2012, at 23:50, Les Kriegler wrote:

> Okay, I set up the actions and for some reason, only one works.  So in other 
> words, I interact with the Messages Table and issue the go to top of messages 
> list with Option-1.  Then if I immediately issue the Option 2 command, I go 
> down the list, but don't reach the bottom.  What have I missed?
> 
> Les
> On Jun 20, 2012, at 6:31 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
> 
>> OK Yes there is the trackpad option as well!
>> But if you want the Keyboard version here it is!
>> I'll do it as if someone needs it from the beginning!
>> 
>> 1, Open VoO utility with VO+f8
>> You should be on General scroll across to the [allow voiceover to be 
>> controlled by applescripts ] check box and checkit!
>> 2, press command+8 and this will take you to the commanders, and go and 
>> select the Keyboard commander tab!
>> 3, you can enable keyboard commander, then next you can choose which option 
>> key you wish to use! [it should be on the right one by default]
>> 4, now you can go to the table of shortcuts [and there will be some already 
>> there] like option+T for the time and option+S for safari!
>> Next to the table is the add button select it!
>> 5, The 1st field is where you put the key you wish to use [have the key in 
>> mind]because it must be put in 1st!
>> 6, Next is the menu of commands you want to use!
>> So pick the Navigation sub menu and if you want to set the option to go to 
>> the top and stay in the same column pick the [go to most visible top or for 
>> the end most visible end!
>> hth colin
>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 22:58, Traci wrote:
>> 
>>> I as well use control-option-shift home or shift-end.  Since I'm on a 
>>> macbook Air, I need the function key.
>>> 
>>> After a while, I found all these buttons annoying, so i use the trackpad 
>>> commanders and set up shift-flick-down to go to top and shift-flick-up to 
>>> go to the bottom.  So much easier.  :)
>>> 
>>> Traci
>>> Sent by Macbook Air Mail
>>> 
>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Ok well that doesn't work for me. I wonder what I've got screwy in my 
>>>> mailbox. I still can't see my on my mac mailboxes. So something is very 
>>>> weird with mine.
>>>> How did you set up those short cuts.
>>>> 
>>>> On 21/06/2012, at 8:58 AM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi there!
>>>>> That command works here OK! I'm using a Wireless Keyboard so need the FN 
>>>>> key as well!
>>>>> So I hold the FN+VO with my left hand and do Shift+left/right arrows with 
>>>>> my Right!
>>>>> Also I've got a Keyboard shortcut to do the same thing! So all I do is 
>>>>> press right option+1 to go to top and 2 for the bottom!
>>>>> That command is set to keep me in the same column so if I start in 
>>>>> Subject I stay in Subject!
>>>>> hth Colin
>>>>> PS. I'm still on Snowy Kitty!
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 21:44, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> Is there a way of quickly getting to top of message table in mail?
>>>>>> When I do vo, fn shift left arrow, I get to a button called "select by 
>>>>>> date menu button". I'm still at the bottom of the message table. I can 
>>>>>> obviously arrow up but that takes a while with a large mailbox.
>>>>>> Any suggestions? I'm on a macbook pro hence the need for the fn key.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Lisette
>>>>>> 
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Re: Moving to top of message table

Sorry this could be my fault!
Try picking the go to top most item and the bottom most item from the Jump sub 
menu instead and see if that works!
Sorry about that Its been a long time since I made them!
Colin

On 21 Jun 2012, at 00:08, Les Kriegler wrote:

> Okay, I think I have go to visible end selected.  But here is additional 
> info.  If I go to the bottom of the message list, then Option 1 does not 
> work.  If I go to the top of the message list, then Option 2 does not work.  
> So I am stumped.  I'll have someone eyeball this and see what they notice.
> 
> Les
> On Jun 20, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
> 
>> The only thing I can think of is you might have picked the wrong item in the 
>> menu! There is the go to End and go to most visible end!
>> Just check which one you have!
>> And if you got the right option of command I do not know why it is not 
>> working for you!
>> 
>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 23:50, Les Kriegler wrote:
>> 
>>> Okay, I set up the actions and for some reason, only one works.  So in 
>>> other words, I interact with the Messages Table and issue the go to top of 
>>> messages list with Option-1.  Then if I immediately issue the Option 2 
>>> command, I go down the list, but don't reach the bottom.  What have I 
>>> missed?
>>> 
>>> Les
>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 6:31 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>> 
>>>> OK Yes there is the trackpad option as well!
>>>> But if you want the Keyboard version here it is!
>>>> I'll do it as if someone needs it from the beginning!
>>>> 
>>>> 1, Open VoO utility with VO+f8
>>>> You should be on General scroll across to the [allow voiceover to be 
>>>> controlled by applescripts ] check box and checkit!
>>>> 2, press command+8 and this will take you to the commanders, and go and 
>>>> select the Keyboard commander tab!
>>>> 3, you can enable keyboard commander, then next you can choose which 
>>>> option key you wish to use! [it should be on the right one by default]
>>>> 4, now you can go to the table of shortcuts [and there will be some 
>>>> already there] like option+T for the time and option+S for safari!
>>>> Next to the table is the add button select it!
>>>> 5, The 1st field is where you put the key you wish to use [have the key in 
>>>> mind]because it must be put in 1st!
>>>> 6, Next is the menu of commands you want to use!
>>>> So pick the Navigation sub menu and if you want to set the option to go to 
>>>> the top and stay in the same column pick the [go to most visible top or 
>>>> for the end most visible end!
>>>> hth colin
>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 22:58, Traci wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I as well use control-option-shift home or shift-end.  Since I'm on a 
>>>>> macbook Air, I need the function key.
>>>>> 
>>>>> After a while, I found all these buttons annoying, so i use the trackpad 
>>>>> commanders and set up shift-flick-down to go to top and shift-flick-up to 
>>>>> go to the bottom.  So much easier.  :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Traci
>>>>> Sent by Macbook Air Mail
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ok well that doesn't work for me. I wonder what I've got screwy in my 
>>>>>> mailbox. I still can't see my on my mac mailboxes. So something is very 
>>>>>> weird with mine.
>>>>>> How did you set up those short cuts.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 21/06/2012, at 8:58 AM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi there!
>>>>>>> That command works here OK! I'm using a Wireless Keyboard so need the 
>>>>>>> FN key as well!
>>>>>>> So I hold the FN+VO with my left hand and do Shift+left/right arrows 
>>>>>>> with my Right!
>>>>>>> Also I've got a Keyboard shortcut to do the same thing! So all I do is 
>>>>>>> press right option+1 to go to top and 2 for the bottom!
>>>>>>> That command is set to keep me in the same column so if I start in 
>>>>>>> Subject I stay in Subject!
>>>>>>> hth Colin
>>>>>>> PS. I'm still on Snowy Kitty!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 21:44, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
&g

Re: Moving to top of message table

Hi there!
OK When you open the menu to select which command you wish to use instead of 
going to the navigation sub menu at or  near the bottom should be the Jump sub 
menu!
If it is not there maybe Apple have removed or renamed it!
It should also turn up if you call up VO commands with VO+H+H
hth Colin

On 21 Jun 2012, at 05:17, Les Kriegler wrote:

> I am using Lion and in the Keyboard Commanders table, I do not see an option 
> for Jump Submenu.
> 
> Les
> On Jun 20, 2012, at 7:25 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
> 
>> Sorry this could be my fault!
>> Try picking the go to top most item and the bottom most item from the Jump 
>> sub menu instead and see if that works!
>> Sorry about that Its been a long time since I made them!
>> Colin
>> 
>> On 21 Jun 2012, at 00:08, Les Kriegler wrote:
>> 
>>> Okay, I think I have go to visible end selected.  But here is additional 
>>> info.  If I go to the bottom of the message list, then Option 1 does not 
>>> work.  If I go to the top of the message list, then Option 2 does not work. 
>>>  So I am stumped.  I'll have someone eyeball this and see what they notice.
>>> 
>>> Les
>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The only thing I can think of is you might have picked the wrong item in 
>>>> the menu! There is the go to End and go to most visible end!
>>>> Just check which one you have!
>>>> And if you got the right option of command I do not know why it is not 
>>>> working for you!
>>>> 
>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 23:50, Les Kriegler wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Okay, I set up the actions and for some reason, only one works.  So in 
>>>>> other words, I interact with the Messages Table and issue the go to top 
>>>>> of messages list with Option-1.  Then if I immediately issue the Option 2 
>>>>> command, I go down the list, but don't reach the bottom.  What have I 
>>>>> missed?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Les
>>>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 6:31 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> OK Yes there is the trackpad option as well!
>>>>>> But if you want the Keyboard version here it is!
>>>>>> I'll do it as if someone needs it from the beginning!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1, Open VoO utility with VO+f8
>>>>>> You should be on General scroll across to the [allow voiceover to be 
>>>>>> controlled by applescripts ] check box and check it!
>>>>>> 2, press command+8 and this will take you to the commanders, and go and 
>>>>>> select the Keyboard commander tab!
>>>>>> 3, you can enable keyboard commander, then next you can choose which 
>>>>>> option key you wish to use! [it should be on the right one by default]
>>>>>> 4, now you can go to the table of shortcuts [and there will be some 
>>>>>> already there] like option+T for the time and option+S for safari!
>>>>>> Next to the table is the add button select it!
>>>>>> 5, The 1st field is where you put the key you wish to use [have the key 
>>>>>> in mind]because it must be put in 1st!
>>>>>> 6, Next is the menu of commands you want to use!
>>>>>> So pick the Navigation sub menu and if you want to set the option to go 
>>>>>> to the top and stay in the same column pick the [go to most visible top 
>>>>>> or for the end most visible end!
>>>>>> hth colin
>>>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 22:58, Traci wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I as well use control-option-shift home or shift-end.  Since I'm on a 
>>>>>>> macbook Air, I need the function key.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> After a while, I found all these buttons annoying, so i use the 
>>>>>>> trackpad commanders and set up shift-flick-down to go to top and 
>>>>>>> shift-flick-up to go to the bottom.  So much easier.  :)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Traci
>>>>>>> Sent by Macbook Air Mail
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Ok well that doesn't work for me. I wonder what I've got screwy in my 
>>>>>>>> mailbox. I still can't see my on my mac mailboxes. So something is 
>>>>>>

Re: removing items from the Dock

2012-06-24 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi Sarai!
OK when sitting on the item in question in the doc!
Open VO+shift+M and in that menu will be remove from doc!
hth Colin

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> Hi:
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Re: Forward deleting?

2012-06-25 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi Johnny!
You can also add the option key to fn+delete to forward delete by word!
And of course option+delete. deletes by word!
hth Colin

On 25 Jun 2012, at 09:37, Johnny Angel! wrote:

> I just wish to say thank you to Ann and everyone who has been kind  enough to 
> answer all of my questions.  You guys are the bests'.
> 
> Johnny
> On Jun 25, 2012, at 4:10 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
> 
>> Hello Johnny,
>> 
>> You can forward delete using the FN key with the backspace.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> On 25 Jun 2012, at 10:01, Johnny Angel! wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi again,
>>> 
>>> Is this possible?  If so, how is it done?
>>> 
>>> thanks,
>>> 
>>> Johnny
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: what's the keyborrd short cut to get to the top of message lists in mail? sorry ive foregotten it.

2012-06-25 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi there!
OK if you mean about the suggestions already made they work on a MB!
Either the trackpad version or the Keyboard commander shortcuts!

hth Colin

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Re: what Voiceover bugs people want or are hoping will be fixed or squashed in Mountain Lion?

2012-07-02 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi there!
I do not know if this is something you might find useful!
But open VO+H+H will bring up vo commands and in the first option general there 
is add pronunciation in which you can put in the first field the word  you want 
to change then in the second field write it so it sounds the way you wish it to 
sound!
And if that is to your satisfaction then you can set other options after the 
second field!
As a example I got mine to say Boy zone in stead of boys1!
And mine does say third when I put 3rd I changed my numbers from digits to 
words and now 1000 says one thousand!

hth Colin

On 3 Jul 2012, at 00:02, Jesus Garcia wrote:

> thank you very much, as I said new user this is good very good. Never saw
> that in the documentation or the tutorials. I hope someone soon does a high
> end tutorial from beginning to end on voice over with the common apps such
> as safari, the email and text editor. I certainly would be prepared to pay
> for something along those lines.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 18:59
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: what Voiceover bugs people want or are hoping will be fixed or
> squashed in Mountain Lion?
> 
> Hi,
> 
> pressing VO command H brings you to the next heading.  Adding shift to that
> goes to the previous heading.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Jul 2, 2012, at 6:53 PM, Jesus Garcia  wrote:
> 
>> So, long as we are talking about fixes one would like to see I would 
>> also like to see a little easier navigation of headings on web pages. 
>> Perhaps as a relative new user to the mac I am missing something, but 
>> I find it easier to navigate HTML headings in web pages with windows 
>> screen readers then with voice over. Again this may be my missing 
>> something major. And yes the dictionary would be nice my name 
>> especially I would like to hear it with its Spanish pronunciation 
>> again a miner issue, but one I would like to be able to correct.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Moore
>> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 18:37
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: what Voiceover bugs people want or are hoping will be 
>> fixed or squashed in Mountain Lion?
>> 
>> Hmmm I remember a while back putting a list of 15 improvements.  I 
>> can't remember them all now, so perhaps I have just learnt to live without
> them.
>> I did report them to Apple though as bugs and feature enhancements.
>> 
>> The VoiceOver busy is the biggest annoyance which is caused by  the 
>> pathetic slow buffering system voice over uses.  So I would like to 
>> see that rewritten from the ground up.  There are a few random 
>> performance bugs that happen now and then which require me to switch 
>> voice over off then back on again.  So overall performance could do with
> being improved.
>> 
>> I would also like to know what web page I am looking at when switching 
>> between tabs, being told that is an HTML page is not exactly helpful.  
>> I would also like to navigate line by line just by pressing the down 
>> arrow or up key.  VO still needs a bit of work when reporting how many 
>> HMTL  elements are on a web page, some windows screen readers seem to 
>> find more tables and headings than VO,  especially in the buggy rotor.
>> 
>> I would like the ability to edit form fields in a PDF with Preview, 
>> but I believe this is coming in the next Mountain Lion release 
>> (according to Apple's website).
>> 
>> I would appreciate MIDI event editing in GarageBand, and a huge update 
>> to iWork.  There just is not enough accessible productive software on the
> Mac.
>> There is more to using a Mac than just Skype and Mail surely?
>> 
>> Not sure if that bug still exists when using the real speak voices 
>> where the pitch used to shift up and down randomly.  I stopped using 
>> those voices as it became too annoying.
>> 
>> I would also like the ability to edit voice over's dictionary.  For 
>> example if you type third as in the number 3 followed by the letters r 
>> and d, you get 3rd (three road), surely this should be a third?  So I 
>> think the ability to edit some of VO's assumptions would be nice, or 
>> maybe VO should grow up and become a tad more intelligent.  I would 
>> like more control over how VO reads out numbers too.
>> 
>> Maybe developers should also be given the option to name what VO calls 
>> an HTML area, as something else?  For example when using adium the 
>> chat window is called an HTML area, am sure a chat window or 
>> conversation window would be more meaningful.
>> 
>> Last but not least, I find VO a bit slow when first entering the 
>> iTunes store.  The page takes a while to render.  Well actually 
>> visually it does n

Re: what Voiceover bugs people want or are hoping will be fixed or squashed in Mountain Lion?

2012-07-02 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi there!
Of course this is with Lion!
Not in snowy kitty!
Colin

On 3 Jul 2012, at 00:53, Rachel Feinberg wrote:

> If you don't already have this set, you can go into voiceover utility, to the 
> commanders area, and then to the quick nav tab. And check the box that says 
> 'enable single key webpage navigation when using quick nav."
> then you can use H for heading, b for button, and so on.
> HTH,
> Rachel
> On Jul 2, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Jesus Garcia wrote:
> 
>> So, long as we are talking about fixes one would like to see I would also
>> like to see a little easier navigation of headings on web pages. Perhaps as
>> a relative new user to the mac I am missing something, but I find it easier
>> to navigate HTML headings in web pages with windows screen readers then with
>> voice over. Again this may be my missing something major. And yes the
>> dictionary would be nice my name especially I would like to hear it with its
>> Spanish pronunciation again a miner issue, but one I would like to be able
>> to correct.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Moore
>> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 18:37
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: what Voiceover bugs people want or are hoping will be fixed or
>> squashed in Mountain Lion?
>> 
>> Hmmm I remember a while back putting a list of 15 improvements.  I can't
>> remember them all now, so perhaps I have just learnt to live without them.
>> I did report them to Apple though as bugs and feature enhancements.
>> 
>> The VoiceOver busy is the biggest annoyance which is caused by  the pathetic
>> slow buffering system voice over uses.  So I would like to see that
>> rewritten from the ground up.  There are a few random performance bugs that
>> happen now and then which require me to switch voice over off then back on
>> again.  So overall performance could do with being improved.
>> 
>> I would also like to know what web page I am looking at when switching
>> between tabs, being told that is an HTML page is not exactly helpful.  I
>> would also like to navigate line by line just by pressing the down arrow or
>> up key.  VO still needs a bit of work when reporting how many HMTL  elements
>> are on a web page, some windows screen readers seem to find more tables and
>> headings than VO,  especially in the buggy rotor.
>> 
>> I would like the ability to edit form fields in a PDF with Preview, but I
>> believe this is coming in the next Mountain Lion release (according to
>> Apple's website).  
>> 
>> I would appreciate MIDI event editing in GarageBand, and a huge update to
>> iWork.  There just is not enough accessible productive software on the Mac.
>> There is more to using a Mac than just Skype and Mail surely?
>> 
>> Not sure if that bug still exists when using the real speak voices where the
>> pitch used to shift up and down randomly.  I stopped using those voices as
>> it became too annoying.
>> 
>> I would also like the ability to edit voice over's dictionary.  For example
>> if you type third as in the number 3 followed by the letters r and d, you
>> get 3rd (three road), surely this should be a third?  So I think the ability
>> to edit some of VO's assumptions would be nice, or maybe VO should grow up
>> and become a tad more intelligent.  I would like more control over how VO
>> reads out numbers too.
>> 
>> Maybe developers should also be given the option to name what VO calls an
>> HTML area, as something else?  For example when using adium the chat window
>> is called an HTML area, am sure a chat window or conversation window would
>> be more meaningful.
>> 
>> Last but not least, I find VO a bit slow when first entering the iTunes
>> store.  The page takes a while to render.  Well actually visually it does
>> not, but VO seems to think it does.  Actually come to mention it when VO
>> says something is busy, a sighted person can still move the mouse and
>> perform the action they require, it is just VO's buffer which is busy.
>> 
>> I spotted another bug today too.  When ordering a smart case for my iPad, VO
>> was unable to read out the colour options.  When trying to select a colour,
>> VO simply said "space radio button" for each of the 6 colours.  The work
>> around seemed to be select a colour, go back to the top of the screen and
>> read out the description to see if the default green had changed.  Or look
>> in the basket and hope to god you have not selected pink.  I eventually
>> performed this task via the Apple Store app on my iPhone which performed
>> perfectly.
>> 
>> Chris 
>> On 2 Jul 2012, at 19:16, Daniel McGee wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all, a while ago on this list I saw someone mention that they would
>> like so and so bug to be fixed in Mountain Lion. 
>>> I would just really like to start a discussion on if there are not many
>> enhancements to Voiceover in the next OS, then what bugs would you like
>> fixed and hope Apple has done the

Re: Todo app that can sync with iOS

2012-07-15 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi Christina!
Yes you do have Dash board!
If you have not changed anything pressing F12 should launch it! and pressing it 
again should close it!
I'm also on Snowy kitty!
But I've disabled the dashboard in my Keyboard pref's!so F12 does not launch 
dashboard for me!
I cannot remember if you need to use the fn key if you have changed to using F1 
F2 F3 and so on as standard keys!
hth Colin

On 15 Jul 2012, at 19:18, Christina wrote:

> Darcy,
> 
> Can you please tell me which dashboard widget you use.  Is it the Milk the 
> Cow at http://code.google.com/p/milkthecow/
> Also, I am using Snow Leopard, do I even have a dashboard?  I think I do but 
> I cannot figure out how to get there.
> 
> Thanks and I would appreciate a link to download this widget if this Milk the 
> Cow isn't the correct one.  That is of course, if I even have a dashboard.  I 
> am going to get Mountain Lion for sure but I just have not upgraded to lion 
> yet.
> 
> Thanks,
> Christina C.
> 
> On Jul 13, 2012, at 5:12 PM, Darcy Burnard wrote:
> 
>> On the Mac, I use a dashboard widget.  That's the only thing I use the 
>> dashboard for.  So if I need to enter something quickly, I just hit the 
>> dashboard button, and I'm focussed on the edit box where I can just start 
>> typing
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Re: How do I owngrade a voice?

2012-07-26 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi there!
I do believe you can just uncheck that voice in where you set it up and check 
the one you wish to use!
Also Somewhere in your home directory library [I think] is where you can find 
where the voice's are kept and can get rid of them if you want to make more 
space!
And any other voice's you might of got and do not want!
I'm sure someone who knows better will tell you! I'm still on snowy kitty so do 
not have access to any of those!
Colin

On 26 Jul 2012, at 17:56, Harry Hogue wrote:

> hello,
> 
> I use Paulina, the Spanish voice, which they also claimed had speech 
> improvements, and I haven't noticed any difference one way or the other.  I 
> don't know of a way to downgrade the voice to get the old version back.  YOu 
> might try contacting the company that actually manufactures the voices, or 
> writing to Apple.
> 
> I'm sorry I'm not able to be of more help.
> Best,
> 
> Harry
> 
> On Jul 26, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Johanna Herranen 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Hi folks,
>> I am quite sure not too many of you use Finnish speech, but I thought maybe 
>> someone could help me anyway *smiles 
>> 
>> I upgraded to Mountain Lion yesterday. After that, I noticed there was a new 
>> version of Finnish voice Mikko available. They promised it would be better 
>> than the old one, so I just went ahead and grabbed it. Unfortunately it made 
>> things ten times worse than before. Finnish is phonetically very different 
>> from English. It is essential that I can see (hear) words exactly the way 
>> they should be pronounced in Finnish. I can see in some cases - for example 
>> if sighted people read audiobooks using Finnish speech - it is nice if the 
>> names and such are pronounced the correct way. But unfortunately I happen to 
>> be blind. I need speech in order to 'see' what actually is on my computer 
>> screen. I don't want to start guessing when the computer is guessing the 
>> pronunciation of some words and when they actually are spelled the way 
>> they've been pronounced.  There are now many many more Finnish words that 
>> are being pronounced incorrectly, of course it is nice that some English 
>> names now are pronounced the way they should be … 
>> 
>> So my question is: does anyone know if there is a way to undo such an 
>> update?  I do have a backup made with time machine, but that is from before 
>> I upgraded my Os to Mountain Lion. I'm now using the compact version of 
>> Finnish Mikko Voice -- that still seems to be more OK. 
>> Any help would be very much appreciated. 
>> 
>> It would be nice if there were just a switch somewhere so that I could 
>> decide wether or not the speech uses any pronunciation interpretation.
>> 
>> 
>> Johanna 
>> Skype: jherranen
>> Twitter: lonely_lyrics 
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Re: Moving Messages in Mail with Mountain Lion

2012-07-26 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi there!
If I remember right!
There is a command to move messages using there place in favourites but I 
cannot remember what the full command is!
So something with command4 to move that message into what ever mailbox you 
might have there!
Or something command8 if you need to put it there!
Sorry I cannot be of much further help!
Colin

On 26 Jul 2012, at 21:32, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:

> I have done this by going to the Message Menu, and the Move to submenu, 
> right-arrowing into that and, depending on where the message is, 
> right-arrowing into "on my mac," and then pressing the letter of the mailbox 
> I want.
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Re: safari clicking?

2012-07-30 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi there!
I do not think this is a security thing but something that has not been put in 
place correctly by the people who made that page!
I have had it myself but not for a while!
But it should not happen so maybe a note to that site's customer services or 
the dev!
hth Colin

On 30 Jul 2012, at 14:02, Rachel Feinberg wrote:

> Hi Garth,
> 
> I've ran across that same password field thing. where as soon as you enter 
> into the field, there's a continuous clicking that  makes it hard for you to 
> hear how many characters you're typing in. The only thing i can think of is 
> it's some increased security measure, but if someone could shed light on 
> this, that'd be great.
> Rachel
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 12:42 AM, Garth Humphreys  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Maria 
>> 
>> I haven't experienced Exactly the same thing but when signing in to Skype, 
>> whilst my focus was in the password field, there was a continuos clicking 
>> sound as if I was typing in my password.T The clicking continued along with 
>> the actual clicking of me typing in my password and sign in went find. It 
>> was a bit disconcerting at first, I thought I must be resting my hand on a 
>> key or that there was a key stuck. Anyone else come across this sort of 
>> thing? Is it supposed to be some sort of security thing to make it hard for 
>> people to hear how many characters are in your password? Even as I write 
>> that I know it's a long shot :) 
>> 
>> 
>> Garth 
>> 
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>> to the iBlindTech Democast.
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>> Follow me on twitter @BlindTechMusing or @iBlindTech for podcast info.
>> 
>> Send email to iblindt...@gmail.com
>>  
>> On 30/07/2012, at 10:12 AM, Maria Chapman  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> I am using the latest version of web kit under mountain lion.  Sometimes 
>>> when i'm browsing a page, I hear a clicking sound like the progress sound.  
>>> the only way to stop the clicking is to press tab.  has anyone experienced 
>>> this?   
>>> regards
>>> Maria and crew from australia
>>> email:
>>> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>>> check out 
>>> www.powerradio104.us
>>> where we play lots of great music
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: assigning mailbox to cmd+number strokes?

2012-07-30 Thread Red.Falcon

Yes you put the said mailboxes into the favourites bar and with the right 
command can change there place so you can put one on a set number if you like!
hth
Colin

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> Just as you can type Cmd-1 to go directly to the Inbox messages table, CMD-2 
> for Drafts, CMD-3 for Sent Items, etc…  I notice CMD 5 and up are unassigned; 
> is there a way to assign them to, say, trash, or a friend's mailbox, or 
> whatnot?
> Thanks!
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Re: dictation success!

2012-07-31 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi there!
Sorry but I did not see you mention if you calibrated the Mac to your voice 
this should be helpful!
Colin
And that feature has been around for a long time It is on my iMac Still on 
snowy kitty which I got 2009 and it was there then!
Colin

On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:59, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:

> Donna,
> 
> I've not gone with the F10 idea, as F10 is also mute on the Mac, which can 
> cause issues for obvious reasons…
> 
> I've used the key directly below esc, however, whilst I can make it work 
> every now and then not any other time… I tried the alternative of using the 
> constantly listen option, being able to call out, computer what time is it, 
> rather floats my boat…
> 
> neither option are working for me…! any thoughts.
> 
> thanks.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
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> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
> URL: - www.talknav.com
> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> 
> 
> On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:56, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
>> Neal,
>> 
>> Yes, you need to press and hold the key.  I have also found that it helps to 
>> hold it for about a half second before you start speaking.  Also, in system 
>> prefs make sure you have the right listening method checked.  It's in 
>> Accessible Items under Listening key tab.  You have two choices, one is 
>> listen when key is pressed, the other is listen when keyword is spoken.
>> HTH,
>> Donna
>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working!
>>> 
>>> I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing the 
>>> command key and restarting nothing happens.
>>> 
>>> what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I nominate?
>>> 
>>> thanks for any hands on practical usage info.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Neil Barnfather
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, 
 accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select the 
 tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going to the 
 commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on everything.
 On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
  wrote:
 
> sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no 
> issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
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> 
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> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> 
> 
> On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> These are commands you can give, like "what time is it" or "open 
>> iPhoto". You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog 
>> just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech 
>> recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and 
>> speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system 
>> operations.
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does 
>>> that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work 
>>> today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded 
>>> us yet. Thanks for your patience guys. 
>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a 
 table and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If 
 you are using a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound 
 preferences and set the input source to be that USB microphone.
 On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
 
> I'm just getting used to Mountain Lion. How do you get into 
> dictation, would love to try it out. Thanks. 
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:23

Re: group for audio buffs?

2012-08-01 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi there!
To help you a bit!
When sitting on a track list the columns like title,artist and album and so on!
If you press Command+j you will get all the options you can set to show and of 
course remove! just tick the ones you want and uncheck any you don't!
One of the options is [Kind] so that will say if it is MP3 or ACC and so on!
There is a lot of options in there!
Hth Colin

On 1 Aug 2012, at 16:48, Andrew Lamanche wrote:

> Can I import them into a separate list, or will the import be placed in the 
> music library where I will have ended up with multiple copies of the same 
> tracks?
> 
> Thanks Tim, always generous with your responses.
> 
> Andrew
> On 1 Aug 2012, at 16:28, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> iTunes will not allow the conversion of purchased content to mp3 files, 
>> directly anyway.  The restriction is due to the DRM encoding and licensing 
>> restrictions.  If you wish to use iTunes to do this, you must first burn an 
>> audio CD from your purchased content, then re-import the tracks.  You can 
>> choose to import them as mp3 content via your Import Preferences.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On 2012-08-01, at 8:24 AM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>> 
>>> This seems like something other folks might want to know about. Can you 
>>> give more details or what you want to do, what you tried and what went 
>>> wrong? All my purchases have been in AAC but I was able to put a couple in 
>>> a playlist and then burn that list to an audio CD with no problems. I was 
>>> also able to use iTunes to convert the AAC files to MP3 and then burn those 
>>> to an Audio CD. So far I can't seem to reproduce an issue with burning 
>>> playlists.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 8/1/12 8:22 AM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:
 Listers,
 
 Is there a group for audio buffs on the mac amongst voiceover users? I 
 need to ask some specific questions with regard to converting iTunes music 
 tracks I've bought via the iStore into mp3 so that I can burn them onto a 
 cd rw. It would appear iTunes won't let me burn any tracks I have bought 
 through the store in mp3 format.
 
 Feel free to write off-list.
 
 Best wishes
 
 Andrew
 
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Re: Using and copying to TextEdit and downloading files [was Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion]

2012-08-02 Thread Red.Falcon

> Hi there!
I would just like to say that I went to set up a text edit shortcut as 
described by Esther!
But was surprised to find that my copy of Nisus writer had already put one in 
the services so I'm going to see if I can add a shortcut command to that!
So if any of you have Nisus then you might have that option already sitting 
there to use!
hth Colin

> 
> Finally, there's a neat way of sending selections to TextEdit that I use, 
> which is a Service menu option called "New TextEdit window containing 
> selection".  You can activate this option by going to your Services 
> Preferences. This is actually a selection under the Keyboard shortcuts tab 
> under the Keyboard menu of System Preferences, but there's a fast way to get 
> there.  Here are the instructions. (I'm still using Lion, but it shouldn't 
> make a difference). 
> 
> 1. Navigate to Services Preferences via your menu bar 
> 1a. Use either VO-M or Control-F2 to go to the Apple Menu
> 1b. Right arrow to your application (TextEdit, Mail, etc  --- note: you can 
> get to your services setup starting from any application)
> 1c. Arrow down then press "s" to select the "Services" menu option and press 
> Return
> 1d. Arrow down the Services submenu to "Services Preferences…" and press 
> Return (Since "Services Preferences…" is always the last item in the submenu, 
> a quick way to get there is to press Command-Down arrow, and then press 
> Return)
> 
> 2. You're now in the "Keyboard" menu of System Preferences with the "Keyboard 
> Shortcuts" tab selected and "Services" already selected in the "Shortcuts 
> Categories" table.  
> 2a. Press VO-Command-T twice to move to the second table for services options 
> and interact (VO-Shift-Down arrow)
> 2b. Use item chooser menu (VO-I) and press "t e x", pause slightly, then 
> press "n e w".  You'll find an entry for "New TextEdit Menu from Selection". 
> (Pausing slightly between the two sets of entries means that your results 
> will first be filtered for matches to "tex", then those results will next be 
> filtered for matches to "new".  If you type both selections really fast you 
> won't get the secondary filtering applied.) Press Return to go there.
> 2c. Navigate (VO-Left arrow) to the first column in the table and use 
> VO-Space to check it.  This item for sending your selection to TextEdit will 
> now appear as an option in your "Services" submenu on your menu bar when 
> select text in any application.
> 2d. However, an even easier way to use this option is to assign it a keyboard 
> shortcut.  I only do this for a few commands that I frequently use, because 
> there are lots of built-in shortcut keys for the Mac, and I don't want to 
> conflict with these assignments.  If you want to assign a keyboard shortcut 
> to this service, here's how.
> 
> 3. Starting from the table of service menu options in the "Keyboard" menu of 
> System Preferences on the "Keyboard Shortcuts" tab with "Services" selected 
> in the "Shortcuts Categories" table (where you left off in 2a.)  You have 
> interacted with this table.
> 3a. Repeat 2b: Use item chooser menu (VO-I) and press "t e x", pause 
> slightly, then press "n e w". Press Return on the entry for "New TextEdit 
> Menu from Selection" to be taken to this column 2 entry in the table.
> 3b. Interact (VO-Shift-Down arrow) and then navigate (VO-Right arrow) to 
> column 3.  Route your mouse cursor to your VoiceOver cursor (VO-Command-F5) 
> and double click with VO-Shift-Space by holding down the Control, Option, and 
> Shift keys, and double tapping the space bar.  Then type in the shortcut you 
> want to assign.  (I use Command-Option-Shift-W here.)
> 3c. Command-W to close the window.
> 
> You're done.  If you have set your TextEdit preferences for format to plain 
> text, when you bring up a web page and press Command-A to select all, 
> followed by your shortcut for "New TextEdit Window containing Selection" 
> (e.g. Command-Option-Shift-W), a plain text window of the contents will pop 
> up in TextEdit and VoiceOver immediately starts reading the dialog. If you 
> want to go back to the web page use Command-Tab to switch applications.  And 
> of course, this service menu shortcut also works for any selected portions of 
> a web page or document.  The selection works anywhere -- you could select 
> part of a formatted mail message, or a section of a document in Preview, and 
> the service menu option will send this to TextEdit. 
> 
> The Services menu option is much more efficient than using simple copy and 
> paste. It uses fewer system resources and doesn't require you to use the 
> space on your clipboard and associated memory to copy selected text. (For 
> those of you with linux or unix backgrounds, think of this as a kind of piped 
> process.)  Furthermore, it has accessibility advantages, because it strips 
> out non-text characters and code. Although I'd posted previously a few times 
> about this service menu option all the way back in Tige

Re: Safari and returning to last spot on page

2012-08-04 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi there!
OK if the place you need to get back to is always the same maybe web spots 
might help or even that sweet spot option just a thought!
Colin

On 4 Aug 2012, at 22:24, Alex Hall wrote:

> I wondered the same thing, but have not yet found a solution. For your
> information, though, Chrome does the same exact thing, frustrating
> when you're moving through a page of google results, open one, then go
> back and want to find the next result.
> 
> On 8/4/12, Bill Holton  wrote:
>> Hi.
>> I work a lot with pages that have many  dozens of links.  When I click one
>> of the links, get the info I need and then use command [ left bracket o
>> return to the original page almost always I am put back at the top of the
>> page and have to  find my way back.  Is there some seting I might have
>> incorrectly set, or is this just a Safari and VO issue?
>> find
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Re: dictation help

2012-08-04 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi there!
I am not speaking for Caitlyn: but I she might also want speakable items 
because she mentioned the list of phrases to say!
that Caitlyn is not the same as Dictation,
hth Colin

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> Caitlyn:
> I am not much into bossing people around, unless they're utter morons and I 
> have no choice, so in your case, no bossing will be necessary.  To set up 
> Dictation, Go to the menu bar with VO M, then down arrow in the Apple menu to 
> System preferences.  Enter there or VO Space.  Interact with the preference 
> pane when it comes up, and press D I or VO right until you land on Dictation 
> and Speech.  Vo Shift space there to open it.  Select the Dictation Tab, and 
> the first thing is an "on radio button," which turns Dictation on.  After 
> that, you just set up the rest of the configuration, find an edit box and tap 
> your shortcut key twice, and off you go!
> Let me know if you need more help with it; I'm around and can walk you 
> through on Skype or by call or whatever if you want.
> 
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Re: finder frustrations

2012-08-07 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi Alex!
I suppose you are using arrows to open the folders!
OK when you get to that folder instead of using arrow open with Command+O
 and you should have only that folder open and not end up somewhere else!
hth 
Colin

On 7 Aug 2012, at 02:05, Alex Hall wrote:

> Hi all,
> I was looking through my large media collection to find the songs I have to 
> practice for Wednesday. I opened the folder they are in and typed the first 
> couple characters, but was taken to the matching song in a folder a level up 
> from where I was, which was, of course, the wrong song entirely. I find this 
> happens a lot: I'm in a folder, but navigating by letter brings me to the 
> parent folder instead of staying inside the folder in which I want to be. I 
> don't know why this happens, and maybe there's a setting I can change to stop 
> it, but it is very frustrating. I prefer the windows way of displaying each 
> folder's content in it's own view, so you are in that folder and not jumping 
> around a massive table, never sure just which folder you are really in. Might 
> there be something I can do to open things in their own views, navigating 
> back with cmd-leftBracket or a similar keystroke? I hate to bring up Windows, 
> but I do find Explorer's layout a lot easier to manage than how finder does 
> things. Thanks.
> 
> 
> Have a great day,
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Re: ML Safari and tables

2012-08-07 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi!
Just in case see if you can do it with locking the VO  keys [VO+semi colon] and 
then using just the arrow keys get through the table! But remember to unlock! 
*smile*
Colin

On 7 Aug 2012, at 14:42, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:

> that might make sense if the issue was only when using the tab key.
> 
> but, I also cannot navigate into the table by using the Voice Over right 
> arrow command, in other words, Voice Over skips the entire table no matter 
> what I do.
> 
> Interestingly though, Voice Over knows the table is there, and even its 
> content, as I can use the Item Chooser to see whats there.
> On 7 Aug 2012, at 14:36, Chris Blouch  wrote:
> 
>> In Safari Preferences Advanced tab there is a checkbox (at least on OSX 
>> 10.7) to press tab to highlight each item on a web page. Otherwise I think 
>> tab only navigates between form elements. Maybe you had this on before and 
>> it got turned off in the upgrade.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 8/7/12 9:25 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> Since installing ML and the latest Safari build, my business internet 
>>> banking has failed to work correctly.
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure if this is the bank and the way its site is built, or the new 
>>> latest Safari build.
>>> 
>>> Basically, in SL and Lion, I used to be able to configure payments by 
>>> setting the date etc, then tab through a table of payees and select the 
>>> ones I wish to pay.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Now the tab key jumps the entire list of check boxes and leaps to the end 
>>> continue button. I can do nothing to work with that table.
>>> 
>>> If I use the item chooser etc that finds the items, but, pressing return on 
>>> the item leaps right to the continue button.
>>> 
>>> Using the VO right arrow from the date area also jumps the hole lot.
>>> 
>>> Any thoughts, has anyone else experienced this with HSBC banking online, 
>>> or, any other site that did work OK with SL and Lion, but not ML.
>>> 
>>> thanks for any thoughts and ideas.
>>> 
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Re: Infovox ivox mananger/voices

2012-08-08 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi well I suppose it can be down to what your used too!
I'm not to keen on any!
But the Queen Elizabeth is absolutely hilarious!
Colin

On 8 Aug 2012, at 15:28, Esther wrote:

> Hi Krysti,
> 
> You can sample the Infovox iVox voices yourself to check the quality at the 
> AssistiveWare web page:
> http://www.assistiveware.com/product/infovox-ivox/voices
> 
> They're grouped alphabetically by language.  English is listed as "English -- 
> American English" and "English -- British English".  You can navigate to the 
> language category you want (e.g., using item chooser menu, VO-i, if you want 
> to skip over other languages), then set your web rotor (VO-u) to links, and 
> VO-space to play the samples.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
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Re: Knowing when there are attachments

2012-08-11 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi Bill!
Under the VO+M menu in the view sub menu there is collums and in there are 
options to check and uncheck and one of them is Attactments!
So you can choose to remove any you did not want as well [I got rid of Buddy 
from mine]
I'm still on Snowy kitty so do not know if it is different on yours!
HTH Colin

On 11 Aug 2012, at 17:56, Bill Holton wrote:

> Hi.
> I am using mail in the classic view, and I'm wondering if there is any way to 
> show in that table that it a particular email has an attachment? There is a 
> field in the table for status but this shows up blank even when the email 
> does happen attachment. Is there something I need to change?
> Thanks.
> Bill
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Re: Connecting Skype and Facebook

2012-08-11 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi there!
If you go to that table and select contacts come out of it and then there is 
options to pick like Online only or facebook and just skype only just pick the 
one you want!

On 11 Aug 2012, at 23:29, Brian Fischler wrote:

> Hey,
> 
> Interesting as if I stay in the Facebook html content skype has yet to
> go in to a busy loop, but when I go in to the contacts pane skype
> immediately goes busy. I do have a large Facebook friends list so I am
> wondering if this is what is causing the busy as it might be loading
> all of my friends. Anyone know if there is a way to set it to load
> only Friends who are online, as I recall reading this was an issue
> with another app and to set it to only load friends who are online.
> Thanks Of course I could always defriend the 80 percent of Facebook
> friends that I do not really know HA
> 
> On Aug 11, 6:11 pm, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> Hey Mark, Thanks for the response, so you think I should let it stay
>> in a busy loop for awhile instead of uninstalling and reinstalling?
>> Will try that, but if that is the case, I doubt I would ever use Skype
>> as the time it takes to load is ridiculous. Not sure if this is a
>> Facebook issue, as ever since I sent out one posting to Facebook, the
>> program goes in to busy evey time I launch it, and in the Force Quit
>> menu next to Skype it says Not Responding. The only logical
>> explanation to me is that something is corrupted with the program
>> 
>> On Aug 11, 6:03 pm, Mark BurningHawk Baxter 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Skype sometimes takes a while to synchronize between itself and Facebook 
>>> and other servers, especially if those servers are down or at high-traffic 
>>> times.  Give it a while after launching Skype and go do something, thus 
>>> creating an unobserved vessel which, in its own time, may actually reach 
>>> flashover sublimation temperature.
>> 
>>>  • Mark BurningHawk Baxter
>>>  • AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
>>>  • MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
>>>  • My home page:
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Re: Previous/Next word and Editing: Need help figuring this Mac setting out.

2012-08-13 Thread Red.Falcon

Hey Alex!
Yes you got it!
And it is under Verbosity!
Hth Colin

On 13 Aug 2012, at 17:45, Alex Hall wrote:

> It might be the cursor setting. I think it's in the vo utility under
> verbosity, but cannot be sure. Anyway, it is a setting that tells vo
> to speak either the item the cursor goes over, which is the default,
> or the item past the cursor, which may have been the setting on that
> mac you tried.
> 
> On 8/13/12, Rodney Haynie  wrote:
>> Hello everyone.
>> I was on a Mac computer running Lion on Saturday and when I was typing
>> in Text Edit, and I went to move around between the words I wrote, I
>> found the navigation was just like I was on a Windows PC.
>> 
>> On a standard setup on OSX Lion and Mountain Lion:
>> I can use Option+LeftArrow to move to the previous word. The cursor
>> will be in the front of the word. So if I type something at this
>> point, the text will appear before the word.
>> If I press Option+RightArrow, I will move to the end of the word. So
>> typing at this point will add characters at the end of the word.
>> 
>> The same for Voiceover commands... VO LeftArrow would put me at the
>> beginning of a word. VO RightArrow would put me at the end of a word.
>> 
>> The Mac I saw on Saturday, did not behave this way. When I pressed
>> Option+LeftArrow, I was move to the previous word at the beginning...
>> ok that is fine.
>> But when I press Option+RightArrow I am moved to the beginning of the
>> next word, not the end of the word like I am use to on a Mac.
>> 
>> The same for Voiceover commands... VO RightArrow would put me at the
>> beginning of the next word.
>> 
>> I can not find any setting anywhere that would allow this. I assume it
>> will be a System Preference of some sort since it is not only Voicover
>> commands that this is affecting.
>> 
>> All of the above was while I was in Text Edit.
>> 
>> Please shed some light on this, if you know of the setting. I've been
>> Googling and searching Help to no avail.
>> 
>> The one thing I did not try was rebooting the computer or restarting
>> Voiceover.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> -Rodney
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Re: turning on attachments viewing in ML Mail

2012-08-13 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi there!
The only thing I can think of is are you using the new view in Mountain kitty!
That could be the difference but I'm still on Snowy kitty so cannot check!
Hth Colin

On 13 Aug 2012, at 23:54, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:

> Am I guessing right that you check or uncheck things in message atributes? I 
> cannot find coluns either in the view menu.
> THanks,
> Ioana
> 
> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
> stores.
> 
> On Aug 11, 2012, at 11:57 PM, Lisette Wesseling  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mark
>> Are you talking about the view menu in ML mail? My first item is message 
>> attributes. There is no column item anywhere.
>> How weird is that?
>> 
>> Lisette
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/08/2012, at 3:36 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Actually, I just did it, and thanks for that.  In my View menu, Columns 
>>> submenu is the first choice after you down-arrow to drop the menu down.  
>>> Attachments is the first choice once right-arrowing to enter the submenu.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> • Mark BurningHawk Baxter
>>> • AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
>>> • MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
>>> • My home page:
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Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro

2012-08-15 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi there!
I cannot answer about using windows stuff [never have used it] but I do know 
that parallels is not accessible so do not let anyone sell  you it!
Hth Colin

On 15 Aug 2012, at 17:39, Damashe Thomas wrote:

> Hello List,
>  
> My name is Damashe Thomas and I am fairly new to the macvisionaries group. I 
> live in the great state of Georgia. I have been a very happy iOS user for the 
> past four years and am preparing to make the move to the mac.
> I have two quick questions to get started.
> Does anyone have experience with the latest version of parallels and can 
> speak about the accessibility of that app. Is it a possible option or should 
> I just go with VMWare fusion?
> I like the ability to run windows in a virtual machine when I have to use it, 
> but has anyone run in to any issues using applications like kurzweil or 
> openbook in a virtual windows environment?
>  
> Thanks
> Damashe
>  
> Skype:
> damashe.thomas
>  
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Re: Podcast App for Mac

2012-08-19 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi Marc!

You can set up a shortcut under commanders in VO utility [VO+f8]
You can choose to either use a keyboard or trackpad or if you have one Numpad!

Also if you have not already got any commanders running under VO+f8 in general 
select the [allow VO to be controlled by Applescripts] checkbox!
This will make the Time keystroke work better!
So if you activate keyboard commander if you then press right option+t the time 
should be spoken!
And under the Commanders in the keyboard tab you will find the enable and your 
choice of option keys [should be on right ] but you could select left if you 
want!
That is one or the other for all commands!
Then in the table you should see some commands that are already there [like say 
time] and next to the table is a add button!

OK a little tip have a keystroke in mind to launch the script in question!
So in the field put the keystroke in 1st then go to the menu button and select 
custom and in there should find applescripts then select the one you wish to 
use with that keystroke!

Oh one more thing do not set up a shortcut for iTunes there is a clash with the 
option key that can bring up the choose itunes library window instead of 
launching iTunes!
hth Colin

On 19 Aug 2012, at 02:29, Marc Sutton wrote:

> Hi Esther,
> Yes, it took me a while to tackle these scripts but it's not hard once you 
> follow the good instructions that you provide. I will move them to the itunes 
> folder and see what happens next. I assume you can assign a keyboard shortcut 
> for these. Wondering where that might be done. Perhaps under system 
> prefs/keyboard? Thanks.
> Marc
> 
> On Aug 18, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Esther  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Marc,
>> 
>> There's probably a better way to amend the AppleScripts, but not switching 
>> back to iTunes just reflects usage, I think. Originally when I used these 
>> AppleScripts, I loaded them into the iTunes AppleScript menu instead of the 
>> general AppleScript menu for the System.  Specifically, instead of putting 
>> the AppleScripts into the folder on my account:
>> ~/Library/Scripts/
>> I put them into the folder:
>> ~/Library/iTunes/Scripts
>> And I had to create the Scripts folder the first time I added an AppleScript 
>> under iTunes to the Library folder under my account.
>> 
>> The difference is that when you add scripts under a specific application, 
>> you access the scripts menu in the menu bar of that application, while when 
>> you add them to the general Library/Scripts folder you access them from the 
>> services menu bar (VO-M-M or Control-F8, instead of VO-M or Control-F2), and 
>> you can navigate to that menu from any application.  
>> 
>> I used to run these from iTunes, but some people like to use other 
>> applications on their computer while listening to podcasts, iTunes U 
>> content, or movies. So I switched the instructions to loading the 
>> AppleScripts to the general scripts folder.  That way, you don't have to be 
>> in iTunes to start and stop the podcast.   
>> 
>> I think that if you load these and use them under iTunes, using the Scripts 
>> menu just before the "Help" menu on the iTunes menu bar (e.g., VO-M  then 
>> VO-Left arrow twice to the menu), and return to normal speed from there, 
>> your focus returns to iTunes.
>> 
>> By the way, I realised that I sent you these AppleScripts off list as email 
>> attachments about half a year ago!  And slightly off topic,  I didn't 
>> realise your recent viphone "Where To?" app use question was for the iPhone, 
>> because the  new "pop up" menu design to email destinations only showed up 
>> in the latest update -- it wasn't present in the version I have on my iPhone.
>> 
>> HTH.  Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> On Aug 18, 2012, at 12:24, Marc Sutton wrote:
>> 
>>> And it works great. I noticed that Quicktime stays open when the "return to 
>>> normal spped" script is launched, so you have to go back to itunes to pause 
>>> speech. Is this the behaviour designed in the script, or is something amuck?
>>> Marc
>>> 
>>> On Aug 18, 2012, at 11:22 AM, Marc Sutton  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Again Esther,
 I found your apple script instructions further down the archive webpage. 
 Thanks for the detail and I am now putting it all together.
 Marc
 
 On Aug 18, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Marc Sutton  wrote:
 
> Hi Esther,
> Thank you for this tip. I downloaded an opml file of my podcast 
> subscriptions into itunes. Do you know if they can be sorted into folders 
> instead of one long list? Can you point me to a resource on how to build 
> this apple script file? Thanks much.
> Marc
> 
> On Aug 17, 2012, at 7:15 PM, Esther  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> I use a couple of AppleScripts to speed up playback of tracks selected
>> in iTunes and return to normal speed. iTunes itself doesn't support
>> variable speed playback, but QuickTime Player, which it uses, does. So
>> the scripts just pass the current position i

Re: Mouse right click

2012-08-22 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi I would just like to add that the 2 feet at the front underneath the Magic 
Trackpad are what gives you that click down!
When your Mac is off pick up the track pad and you will see that you can push 
both feet!
I'm not sure but I think someone once mentioned that if you click down at the 
left corner or right corner things can be done different [but I'm not sure on 
that]
hth
Colin

On 22 Aug 2012, at 04:31, Tim Kilburn wrote:

> The Magic Trackpad is just like a MacBook or MacBook Pro Trackpad.  It just 
> gives you the same functionality with a Desktop unit. If you press down on a 
> MacBook Trackpad,you'll feel a sort of click which when fully depressed, is 
> the "mouse-down" action.  Holding it down performs the dragging action.  The 
> Magic Trackpad has exactly the same functionality.  Pressing firmly down 
> anywhere on the Trackpad will cause the Magic Trackpad to give a click sort 
> of feel where you can distinguish between the "mouse-down" and regular 
> gesture modes.  So, in effect, the entire Trackpad in both cases is a button.
> 
> Hope this clears things up for you.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On 2012-08-21, at 9:07 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,. 
>> 
>> What button are you talking about? I have a magic trackpad and do not have 
>> any button to my knowledge.. 
>> 
>> Thanks,. 
>> 
>> Ioana 
>> 
>> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com, on iTunes or most online 
>> stores.
>> Sent from my phone
>> 
>> On Aug 21, 2012, at 9:15 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> VO-shift-m brings up the Contextual menu for a given item.  These wil be 
>>> the same options as a sighted user will see when they right-click.  There 
>>> are some situations where the VO-shift-m will not bring up the Contextual 
>>> menu but in those limited cases, you can route the mouse to the VO cursor, 
>>> VO-cmd-f5, hold down the control key and press your Trackpad button.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On 2012-08-21, at 6:11 PM, Rodney Haynie  wrote:
>>> 
 VO does not have a keystroke assigned to Right Mouse Click.
 However, you can issue the command by VO H H, then type the word "right". 
 Pressing enter on the command in the help commands list will invoke the 
 command.
 
 Otherwise, if you really need it, you can assign the command to one of 
 your commanders.
 
 Wow, I don't think I ever wrote the word command so many times. :)
 
 HTH. 
 Rodney
 On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:31 PM, agent086b  wrote:
 
> Hi, probably I am wrong as I don't have my Mac yet.
> I think I read
> 
> vo-shift- and space twice quickly
> Max.
> 
>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: Mouse right click
> From: Alex Hall 
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 18:22:37 -0400
>> Most of the time, vo-shift-m does the trick. If you need to simulate
>> an actual right click, or ctrl-click, you can do it. Unfortunately, I
>> don't remember the exact keystroke for this, but key describer should
>> help when you consider that vo-shift-space is a left click.
>> 
>> On 8/21/12, Mary Scott  wrote:
>>> Hi all, My sighted helpers are often asking me, "How do I right click 
>>> with
>>> VO?"  Will somebody tell me the correct answer?  Mel
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Re: Stopwatch on the i-phone?

2011-11-15 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi Jennifer!
You should have Utilities folder and in there should be Clock!
Open it and there should be 4 tabs at the bottom world clock, alarm, stop watch 
and timer!
hth Colin

On 15 Nov 2011, at 15:37, Jennifer Perdue wrote:

> Is there a countdown timer on the i-phone.  Could someone tell me where it is 
> please.  I have the 3Gs.  Thanks.
> 
> Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
> On Nov 12, 2011, at 11:37 AM, Wendy Alling wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> Can someone give me some help with the audible app?  I have it installed on 
>> my phone but can't find where to purchase a book using the app on the phone. 
>> I have an account but don't have a plan set up.  Could that be the problem? 
>> Any tips would be most appreciated.  Thanks.
>> Wendy
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Apple's AssistiveTouch Helps the Disabled Use a Smartphone - NYTimes.com

2011-11-15 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi all!
Well some of you have said you've got Motor-control problems!
So I wonder if this would work with vo!
But it is Apple doing there thing!
Colin
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http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/10/apples-assistivetouch-helps-the-disabled-use-a-smartphone/

Apple’s AssistiveTouch Helps the Disabled Use a Smartphone

Plenty has been written about the new iPhone 4S, with its voice-controlled
virtual assistant Siri, and about iOS 5, its software.

But in writing a book about both, I stumbled across an amazingly thoughtful
feature that I haven’t seen a word about: something called AssistiveTouch.

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Now, Apple has always gone to considerable lengths to make the iPhone usable
for people with vision and hearing impairments. If you’re deaf, you can have
the LED flash to get your attention when the phone rings. You can create custom
vibration patterns for each person who might call you. You can convert stereo
music to mono (handy if you’re deaf in one ear).

If you’re blind, you can literally turn the screen off and operate everything —
do your e-mail, surf the Web, adjust settings, run apps — by tapping and
letting the phone speak what you’re touching. You can also magnify the screen
or reverse black for white (for better-contrast reading).

In short, iPhone was already pretty good at helping out if you’re blind or
deaf. But until iOS 5 came along, it was tough rocks if you had motor-control
problems. How are you supposed to shake the phone (a shortcut for “Undo”) if
you can’t even hold the thing? How are you supposed to pinch-to-zoom a map or a
photo if you can’t even move your fingers?

One new feature, called AssistiveTouch, is Apple’s accessibility team at its
most creative. When you turn on this feature in
Settings->General->Accessibility, a new, white circle appears at the bottom of
the screen. It stays there all the time.

When you tap it, you get a floating on-screen palette. Its buttons trigger
motions and gestures on the iPhone screen without requiring hand or
multiple-finger movement. All you have to be able to do is tap with a single
finger — even a stylus you’re holding in your teeth or fist.

For example, you can tap the Home on-screen button instead of pressing the
physical Home button.
If you tap Device, you get a sub-palette of six functions that would otherwise
require you to grasp the phone or push its tiny physical buttons. There’s
Rotate Screen (tap this instead of turning the phone 90 degrees), Lock Screen
(tap instead of pressing the Sleep switch), Volume Up and Volume Down (tap
instead of pressing the volume keys), Shake (does the same as shaking the phone
to undo typing), and Mute/Unmute (tap instead of flipping the small Mute switch
on the side).

If you tap Gestures, you get a peculiar palette that depicts a hand holding up
two, three, four, or five fingers. When you tap the three-finger icon, for
example, you get three blue circles on the screen. They move together. Drag one
of them, and the phone thinks you’re dragging three fingers on its surface.
Using this technique, you can operate apps that require multiple fingers
dragging on the screen.

To me, the most impressive part is that you can define your own gestures. In
Settings->General->Accessibility, you can tap Create New Gesture to draw your
own gesture right on the screen, using up to five fingers.

For example, suppose you’re frustrated in Google Maps because you can’t do the
two-finger double-tap that means “zoom out.” On the Create New Gesture screen,
get somebody to do the two-finger double-tap for you. Tap Save and give the
gesture a name—say, “2 double tap.”

>From now on, “2 double tap” shows up on the final AssistiveTouch panel, called
>Favorites, ready to trigger with a single tap by a single finger or stylus.
>(Apple starts you off with one predefined gesture already in Favorites: Pinch.
>That’s the two-finger pinch or spread gesture you use to zoom in and out of
>photos, maps, Web pages, PDF documents, and so on. Now you can trigger it with
>only one finger.)

I doubt that people with severe motor control challenges represent a
financially significant number of the iPhone’s millions of customers. But
somebody at Apple took them seriously enough to write a complete, elegant and
thoughtful feature that takes down most of the barriers to using an app phone.
I, for one, am impressed.

And I’d also like to hear, in the Comments, from people who actually use
AssistiveTouch. How well does it work?

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Re: Facebook

2011-11-17 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi Ricardo!
Well they changed it again! [ what a surprise! ] Not!
Well I found a unlabelled button just after a home link near the top and 
clicked it and the next window brought up account settings privacy and then log 
out!
Log out button is labelled so bringing up vo+I should find it!
hth Colin
Qapla!
On 17 Nov 2011, at 10:50, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I confess, I haven't been watching this thread closely but, maybe you 
> facebook pros can help me with something.  On the main site, how in the world 
> do you log out?  I believe there is an accounts button you need to press but 
> Voiceover doesn't see it.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rwalker...@gmail.com
> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
> www.mobileaccess.org
> 
> On Nov 16, 2011, at 9:18 PM, Chris Westbrook wrote:
> 
>> I think it might just be that there is a specific version of the mobile site 
>> for safari, but not sure.
>> On Nov 16, 2011, at 10:33 AM, Chad King wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> I wonder if some of the problem could be with the DNS you're on.
>>> I doubt it, but i guess that could be.
>>> I'm on google DNS
>>> the address is 8.8.8.8
>>> 
>>> Sent from my MBP
>>> 
>>> On Nov 15, 2011, at 11:46 PM, Rahul Bajaj wrote:
>>> 
 Jenny,
 
 Yes, it is meant to work with any regular Mac, but, for some reason, it's 
 not been working  for me.
 I've asked  the people  at Facebook to look into this.
 
 Cheers,
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Re: Facebook

2011-11-17 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi again!
Well I moved my mouse cursor to that button and vo+shift+spaced on it!
That worked for me!
Colin
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On 17 Nov 2011, at 12:33, Goodin, Donna wrote:

> Good grief.  I'll say what a mess.  (And I'll second your sentiments 
> regarding FB). lol
> Donna
> On Nov 17, 2011, at 7:30 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> Yup,
>> 
>> Oddly enough, this doesn't work all the time.  Have I mentioned I hate 
>> facebook?  lol.  I have found how to get to the log out button thanks to 
>> Collin though.  It was crazy.  I pressed the button after home and nothing 
>> happened.  I actually had to bring up the context menu and choose to open 
>> the link in another window.  Then I had to find the button after the home 
>> link on this page and press it to get the log out button.  What a mess.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
>> www.mobileaccess.org
>> 
>> On Nov 17, 2011, at 7:04 AM, Goodin, Donna wrote:
>> 
>>> Also, if you make sure that the button that says "Keep me logged in" is 
>>> unchecked, you can just close your browser to log out.
>>> HTH,
>>> Donna
>>> On Nov 17, 2011, at 6:59 AM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Ricardo!
>>>> Well they changed it again! [ what a surprise! ] Not!
>>>> Well I found a unlabelled button just after a home link near the top and 
>>>> clicked it and the next window brought up account settings privacy and 
>>>> then log out!
>>>> Log out button is labelled so bringing up vo+I should find it!
>>>> hth Colin
>>>> Qapla!
>>>> On 17 Nov 2011, at 10:50, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I confess, I haven't been watching this thread closely but, maybe you 
>>>>> facebook pros can help me with something.  On the main site, how in the 
>>>>> world do you log out?  I believe there is an accounts button you need to 
>>>>> press but Voiceover doesn't see it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ricardo Walker
>>>>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>>>>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
>>>>> www.mobileaccess.org
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 16, 2011, at 9:18 PM, Chris Westbrook wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think it might just be that there is a specific version of the mobile 
>>>>>> site for safari, but not sure.
>>>>>> On Nov 16, 2011, at 10:33 AM, Chad King wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>> I wonder if some of the problem could be with the DNS you're on.
>>>>>>> I doubt it, but i guess that could be.
>>>>>>> I'm on google DNS
>>>>>>> the address is 8.8.8.8
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my MBP
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Nov 15, 2011, at 11:46 PM, Rahul Bajaj wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Jenny,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Yes, it is meant to work with any regular Mac, but, for some reason, 
>>>>>>>> it's not been working  for me.
>>>>>>>> I've asked  the people  at Facebook to look into this.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> RB 
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Re: Facebook

2011-11-17 Thread Red.Falcon

As long as that! :]
WOW!
That would be great!
Colin
Qapla!

On 17 Nov 2011, at 15:16, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote:

> is there any way we could file some kind of class action law suit to make 
> them keep one of their pages the same for at least 30 days at a time? take 
> care, max
> On Nov 17, 2011, at 6:33 AM, Goodin, Donna wrote:
> 
>> Good grief.  I'll say what a mess.  (And I'll second your sentiments 
>> regarding FB). lol
>> Donna
>> On Nov 17, 2011, at 7:30 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> 
>>> Yup,
>>> 
>>> Oddly enough, this doesn't work all the time.  Have I mentioned I hate 
>>> facebook?  lol.  I have found how to get to the log out button thanks to 
>>> Collin though.  It was crazy.  I pressed the button after home and nothing 
>>> happened.  I actually had to bring up the context menu and choose to open 
>>> the link in another window.  Then I had to find the button after the home 
>>> link on this page and press it to get the log out button.  What a mess.
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
>>> www.mobileaccess.org
>>> 
>>> On Nov 17, 2011, at 7:04 AM, Goodin, Donna wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Also, if you make sure that the button that says "Keep me logged in" is 
>>>> unchecked, you can just close your browser to log out.
>>>> HTH,
>>>> Donna
>>>> On Nov 17, 2011, at 6:59 AM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Ricardo!
>>>>> Well they changed it again! [ what a surprise! ] Not!
>>>>> Well I found a unlabelled button just after a home link near the top and 
>>>>> clicked it and the next window brought up account settings privacy and 
>>>>> then log out!
>>>>> Log out button is labelled so bringing up vo+I should find it!
>>>>> hth Colin
>>>>> Qapla!
>>>>> On 17 Nov 2011, at 10:50, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I confess, I haven't been watching this thread closely but, maybe you 
>>>>>> facebook pros can help me with something.  On the main site, how in the 
>>>>>> world do you log out?  I believe there is an accounts button you need to 
>>>>>> press but Voiceover doesn't see it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ricardo Walker
>>>>>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>>>>>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
>>>>>> www.mobileaccess.org
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 16, 2011, at 9:18 PM, Chris Westbrook wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think it might just be that there is a specific version of the mobile 
>>>>>>> site for safari, but not sure.
>>>>>>> On Nov 16, 2011, at 10:33 AM, Chad King wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>>> I wonder if some of the problem could be with the DNS you're on.
>>>>>>>> I doubt it, but i guess that could be.
>>>>>>>> I'm on google DNS
>>>>>>>> the address is 8.8.8.8
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my MBP
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Nov 15, 2011, at 11:46 PM, Rahul Bajaj wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Jenny,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Yes, it is meant to work with any regular Mac, but, for some reason, 
>>>>>>>>> it's not been working  for me.
>>>>>>>>> I've asked  the people  at Facebook to look into this.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> RB
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Re: Logitech Solar Keyboard for Mac

Hi there!
You can also tab to that check box!
Colin
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On 19 Nov 2011, at 11:03, Scott Howell wrote:

> Scott, this functionality is not keyboard specific.
> The option does exist and you might be just missing it.
> Make sure you have the keyboard tab selected and VO will indicate when this 
> tab is selected. Now what you are looking for is Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as 
> standard function keys checked check box and in your case it may be unchecked.
> If you are not seeing this, then there is something else going on with your 
> system. I cannot imagine what would cause this option to disappear, so hope 
> this helps.
> 
> On Nov 19, 2011, at 12:19 AM, Scott Rumery wrote:
> 
>> Yes you did answer this question a couple of days ago, but as I said in my 
>> latest message on my Mac when I go into system preferences, keyboard, and   
>> then the keyboard tab there is no check box for using the F keys for 
>> software functions.  That is why I asked if there was anyone on the list 
>> that was using this particular model keyboard, and if so if they were able 
>> to enable the F key functionality.
>> 
>> ScottOn Nov 18, 2011, at 10:52 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:  
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I'm pretty sure I answered this question a couple of days ago.  lol. Go to 
>>> system preferences then keyboard.  Then select the keyboard tab.  After 
>>> that, checked Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys.
>>> 
>>> hth
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
>>> www.mobileaccess.org
>>> 
>>> On Nov 18, 2011, at 5:05 PM, Scott Rumery wrote:
>>> 
 Hello, I recently purchased a Logitech Solar keyboard for my Mac and I 
 really do like this keyboard except for one thing.  It seems as though 
 that the F keys perform hardware actions, and I need them to perform 
 software actions, but I can't see anywhere on my system where I can make 
 this change.  I know that it is suppose to be in System Preferences under 
 Keyboard within the keyboard tab, on my Mac there is no place where I can 
 tell my Mac I want the F keys to perform software functions.  My question 
 is; is there anyone else on the list that has this Logitech Solar 
 keyboard, and if there is were you able to change the way this keyboard 
 handles the F keys?
 
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Re: Logitech Solar Keyboard for Mac

Hi Scott!
Can you set up another account and see if those settings are in that one!
If so then your account might be corrupted and I think there is a fix somewhere!
You only have to set up a guest account just to check!
hth Colin

On 19 Nov 2011, at 17:43, Scott Rumery wrote:

> Ok I just went to system preferences on my Mac, and I am not finding this 
> option but I know that I have seen this check box before.  I am at a loss as 
> to what could be going on.  I changed keyboards so that I could make sure 
> that this option is not keyboard specific and it is not because with the 
> other keyboard the option is still not there.  I know that with this other 
> keyboard I was able to change this option when I first got my Mac, so I do 
> not know where this check box has gone.
>   Here is what V o is finding in my keyboard system preferences.  
> Keyboard selected tab.  Keyboard Shortcuts tab one of two.  Key Report.  
> Delay until repeat.  85.7 percent key repeat slider.  40 percent delay until 
> repeat slider.  Off.  Slow.  Fast.  Long.  Short.  Show keyboard and 
> character viewers in menu bar checked check box  Input Sources Change 
> Keyboard Type, Modifier keys, Setup Blue Tooth Keyboard, Help.  This is 
> everything on my Mac within the keyboard tab in System Preferences.  If 
> anyone has any idea as to what I could do to remedy this I would greatly 
> appreciate it because I would really like to have my F keys work normally.
> 
> Scott
> On Nov 19, 2011, at 6:03 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> Scott, this functionality is not keyboard specific.
>> The option does exist and you might be just missing it.
>> Make sure you have the keyboard tab selected and VO will indicate when this 
>> tab is selected. Now what you are looking for is Use all F1, F2, etc. keys 
>> as standard function keys checked check box and in your case it may be 
>> unchecked.
>> If you are not seeing this, then there is something else going on with your 
>> system. I cannot imagine what would cause this option to disappear, so hope 
>> this helps.
>> 
>> On Nov 19, 2011, at 12:19 AM, Scott Rumery wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes you did answer this question a couple of days ago, but as I said in my 
>>> latest message on my Mac when I go into system preferences, keyboard, and   
>>> then the keyboard tab there is no check box for using the F keys for 
>>> software functions.  That is why I asked if there was anyone on the list 
>>> that was using this particular model keyboard, and if so if they were able 
>>> to enable the F key functionality.
>>> 
>>> ScottOn Nov 18, 2011, at 10:52 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:  
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 I'm pretty sure I answered this question a couple of days ago.  lol. Go to 
 system preferences then keyboard.  Then select the keyboard tab.  After 
 that, checked Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys.
 
 hth
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
 www.mobileaccess.org
 
 On Nov 18, 2011, at 5:05 PM, Scott Rumery wrote:
 
> Hello, I recently purchased a Logitech Solar keyboard for my Mac and I 
> really do like this keyboard except for one thing.  It seems as though 
> that the F keys perform hardware actions, and I need them to perform 
> software actions, but I can't see anywhere on my system where I can make 
> this change.  I know that it is suppose to be in System Preferences under 
> Keyboard within the keyboard tab, on my Mac there is no place where I can 
> tell my Mac I want the F keys to perform software functions.  My question 
> is; is there anyone else on the list that has this Logitech Solar 
> keyboard, and if there is were you able to change the way this keyboard 
> handles the F keys?
> 
> Scott
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Re: Logitech Solar Keyboard for Mac

Hi Scott!
The only other thing I can suggest [if you have not already] is do a repair 
permissions!
Colin
Qapla!

On 19 Nov 2011, at 18:29, Scott Rumery wrote:

> Hi that was a good idea but it still isn't there.  I don't know what could 
> have happened to it.  Any other suggestions?
> 
> Scott
> On Nov 19, 2011, at 12:59 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
> 
>> Hi Scott!
>> Can you set up another account and see if those settings are in that one!
>> If so then your account might be corrupted and I think there is a fix 
>> somewhere!
>> You only have to set up a guest account just to check!
>> hth Colin
>> 
>> On 19 Nov 2011, at 17:43, Scott Rumery wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok I just went to system preferences on my Mac, and I am not finding this 
>>> option but I know that I have seen this check box before.  I am at a loss 
>>> as to what could be going on.  I changed keyboards so that I could make 
>>> sure that this option is not keyboard specific and it is not because with 
>>> the other keyboard the option is still not there.  I know that with this 
>>> other keyboard I was able to change this option when I first got my Mac, so 
>>> I do not know where this check box has gone.
>>> Here is what V o is finding in my keyboard system preferences.  
>>> Keyboard selected tab.  Keyboard Shortcuts tab one of two.  Key Report.  
>>> Delay until repeat.  85.7 percent key repeat slider.  40 percent delay 
>>> until repeat slider.  Off.  Slow.  Fast.  Long.  Short.  Show keyboard and 
>>> character viewers in menu bar checked check box  Input Sources Change 
>>> Keyboard Type, Modifier keys, Setup Blue Tooth Keyboard, Help.  This is 
>>> everything on my Mac within the keyboard tab in System Preferences.  If 
>>> anyone has any idea as to what I could do to remedy this I would greatly 
>>> appreciate it because I would really like to have my F keys work normally.
>>> 
>>> Scott
>>> On Nov 19, 2011, at 6:03 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Scott, this functionality is not keyboard specific.
>>>> The option does exist and you might be just missing it.
>>>> Make sure you have the keyboard tab selected and VO will indicate when 
>>>> this tab is selected. Now what you are looking for is Use all F1, F2, etc. 
>>>> keys as standard function keys checked check box and in your case it may 
>>>> be unchecked.
>>>> If you are not seeing this, then there is something else going on with 
>>>> your system. I cannot imagine what would cause this option to disappear, 
>>>> so hope this helps.
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 19, 2011, at 12:19 AM, Scott Rumery wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Yes you did answer this question a couple of days ago, but as I said in 
>>>>> my latest message on my Mac when I go into system preferences, keyboard, 
>>>>> and   then the keyboard tab there is no check box for using the F keys 
>>>>> for software functions.  That is why I asked if there was anyone on the 
>>>>> list that was using this particular model keyboard, and if so if they 
>>>>> were able to enable the F key functionality.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ScottOn Nov 18, 2011, at 10:52 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:  
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm pretty sure I answered this question a couple of days ago.  lol. Go 
>>>>>> to system preferences then keyboard.  Then select the keyboard tab.  
>>>>>> After that, checked Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> hth
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ricardo Walker
>>>>>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>>>>>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
>>>>>> www.mobileaccess.org
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 18, 2011, at 5:05 PM, Scott Rumery wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello, I recently purchased a Logitech Solar keyboard for my Mac and I 
>>>>>>> really do like this keyboard except for one thing.  It seems as though 
>>>>>>> that the F keys perform hardware actions, and I need them to perform 
>>>>>>> software actions, but I can't see anywhere on my system where I can 
>>>>>>> make this change.  I know that it is suppose to be in System 
>>>>>>> Preferences under Keyboard within the keyboard tab, on my Mac there is 
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Re: Is there a command to capture the screen with voiceover?

Hi Bill!
If you have your keyboard commander switched on there is the shortcut key X set 
to send a screen shot to mail!
If that helps!
Its already put in for you along with the say time key and the shortcuts for 
mail and safari!
All you need to do is turn on the commander and in vo utilities under general 
tick the [allow vo to be controlled by applescripts] and you can use them!
A shortcut to the commanders from general is to press command+8 and that will 
take you right there!
hth Colin
Qapla!

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