RE: internet explorer on the mac?

[Andy Baracco]

I think the only way you will be able to use IE on the Mac is to use
Bootcamp to run Windows, or to run Windows in a virtual window by using
something like VM Fusion.

Andy
 


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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Tanner
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 12:39 PM
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Subject: Re: internet explorer on the mac?

Is Chrome accessible with VoiceOver?


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Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: internet explorer on the mac?


Internet explorer is no longer develooped for the mac. Even if it was, most 
of Microsoft's mac products are not accessible. If safari is not fast enough

for you, you might try google chrome. I think both browsers are much faster 
than internet explorer in windows.
On Jun 11, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote:

> So, I was talking with my sister the other day, since she has had her mac 
> for over 2 years.  Besides asking me what took so long, since I have only 
> had mine for 5days. she told me that some don't like the speed of safary, 
> and download internet explorer on the mac.  Is this true, and if so does 
> it work well with voice over?
>
> Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone
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RE: apps for the blind?

[Andy Baracco]

There is no app that will do everything something like Sendero or Trekker
will do, but the combination of Navigon or Tom Tom and something like
Sendero Look Around will come pretty close.

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Subject: Re: apps for the blind?

Hi,

I believe Navigon is the GPS app your looking for.

hth

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On Jun 18, 2011, at 4:16 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:

> hey guys?
> I am looking for some apps for the iphone 3 that I recently acquired. I'd
like to find a self-contained gps app that has local maps and doesn't
require a network connection to use (basically, a trekker breeze like
application).
> 
> I would also like ther recommendations for the blind on one of the
devices.
> 
> I have already found a barcode scanner and a compass app.
> 
> any suggestions?
> 
> -Eric
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RE: Extremely frustrated with Navigon not transferring to IPhone

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If you do that, make sure that you do it with WIFI and not 3G.
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Hi,

why not just download it directly from the phone?

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RE: Extremely frustrated with Navigon not transferring to IPhone

[Andy Baracco]

You have iTunes on your phone, but in this case, you would use the "App
Store" app.
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Subject: Re: Extremely frustrated with Navigon not transferring to IPhone

Because you need Itunes.

Sent from my iPhone

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> 
> why not just download it directly from the phone?
> 
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RE: Extremely frustrated with Navigon not transferring to IPhone

[Andy Baracco]

I did as well.
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
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Subject: Re: Extremely frustrated with Navigon not transferring to IPhone

Actually, you don't need iTunes to download Navigon.  While it will take a
few hours to acquire it, I downloaded Navigon directly to my iPhone.

Les
On Aug 9, 2011, at 4:23 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> Because you need Itunes.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 9 Aug 2011, at 09:08 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> why not just download it directly from the phone?
>> 
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RE: Extremely frustrated with Navigon not transferring to IPhone

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I have Roadrunner, and it took a long time, but not hours.
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 2:40 AM
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Subject: Re: Extremely frustrated with Navigon not transferring to IPhone

Well, when I downloaded, and I did use wifi, it took a long time.  I recall
others experienced similar performance.  I have Time Warrner Cable and while
I was surprised it took that long, I wasn't alone on this one.

Les
On Aug 9, 2011, at 5:34 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:

> a few hours? it shouldn't take longer than 30 minutes via a wi-fi network
connection. since my iphone doesn't have a cell service contract, that is
how I install to it. also, I can''t seem to get my iphone to talk to my mac
(driver problem) and until I get a newer mac, that will continue to be the
case. since I am running a first generation intel unit here,  the issue is a
driver mismatch between watt the iphone wants and what the intel mac
presents. I can interface with ipads and ipods all day long but plug in any
iphone and no device is detected. saving up money for a new macbook pro or
mac mini. I think the mini is more achievable given my budget constraints.
> 
> -Eric
> On Aug 9, 2011, at 2:23 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:
> 
>> Actually, you don't need iTunes to download Navigon.  While it will take
a few hours to acquire it, I downloaded Navigon directly to my iPhone.
>> 
>> Les
>> On Aug 9, 2011, at 4:23 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>>> Because you need Itunes.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 9 Aug 2011, at 09:08 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 why not just download it directly from the phone?
 
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RE: Would you pick up a touch screen iMac?

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But you would still have the option of plugging in a keyboard.

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
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Subject: Re: Would you pick up a touch screen iMac?

Wow, I just don't know. As much as I love my iPhone, I don't like typing
long email messages on it, even now with the touch typing option.  I can
type so much faster on a standard computer keyboard.  I could easily see a
touch interface for a lot of computer operations, but I think I'd still want
a keyboard for writing long documents.
Donna
On Aug 24, 2010, at 2:25 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi list,
> 
> I was just wondering how many of us would strongly consider picking up 
> a iMac with a touch screen.  Read article at 
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20014484-260.html?part=rss&subj=news
> &tag=2547-1_3-0-20
> 
> I for one, would jump at the chance.
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RE: MS Office accessibility on the mac natively

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>From what i read here, it seems as though folks who use the Mac still have
to use Windows for many tasks.  I guess that shows that the Mac still has a
way to go before it could be considered a powerful solution for computer
productivity.

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
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Ok, that works.

There's always open office as well.  I have VM Fusion working correctly
though so that's a good solution.

On Aug 30, 2010, at 7:32 PM, Cameron wrote:

> Hi.  Office on the mac is not vo accessible.  Office, if you must use 
> it, will work fine on the windows side.
> 
> Can apple mail not deal with exchange yet?  I know you can use pop3 
> and imap.
> 
> Cameron.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: MS Office accessibility on the mac natively
> 
> Hi,
> I have installed the mac version of MS Office.  Is this accessable?  
> It seems to have buttons available but for example viewing new 
> messages or replying / responding seems problematic.  Any tricks here 
> or should I just use office under windows?  My reason for using office 
> is I need to have access to an outlook exchange server and all your 
> protocols like IMAP and POP are disabled.
> 
> Comments?
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
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RE: MS Office accessibility on the mac natively

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I'm not just talking about scott.

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 5:36 AM
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Subject: Re: MS Office accessibility on the mac natively

Hi Andy,  I think all it shows is that the transition is a little harder
than it looks.

In this case, Scott could use exchange in apple mail, but that assumes that
all of his other settings have been imported properly, that mail is set up
to his tastes, and that he has the time to learn how to set up exchange.

Eventually his vm will bog down, and he'll have a free sunday afternoon to
set up mail the way he wants it, and there will be one less use for his
virtual machine.  Until then, it's much more easy and comfortable to fall
back on what he knows, and since he's using it for work and productivity is
an issue, it isn't necessarily bad to do the easiest most expedient thing.
That doesn't mean his mac is less accessible, or that it doesn't do a good
job of exchange.

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On 2010-08-31, at 8:09 AM, Andy Baracco wrote:

> From what i read here, it seems as though folks who use the Mac still 
> have to use Windows for many tasks.  I guess that shows that the Mac 
> still has a way to go before it could be considered a powerful 
> solution for computer productivity.
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> 
> "I'm pretty good at drinkin beer."
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:47 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: MS Office accessibility on the mac natively
> 
> Ok, that works.
> 
> There's always open office as well.  I have VM Fusion working 
> correctly though so that's a good solution.
> 
> On Aug 30, 2010, at 7:32 PM, Cameron wrote:
> 
>> Hi.  Office on the mac is not vo accessible.  Office, if you must use 
>> it, will work fine on the windows side.
>> 
>> Can apple mail not deal with exchange yet?  I know you can use pop3 
>> and imap.
>> 
>> Cameron.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:20 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: MS Office accessibility on the mac natively
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I have installed the mac version of MS Office.  Is this accessable?  
>> It seems to have buttons available but for example viewing new 
>> messages or replying / responding seems problematic.  Any tricks here 
>> or should I just use office under windows?  My reason for using 
>> office is I need to have access to an outlook exchange server and all 
>> your protocols like IMAP and POP are disabled.
>> 
>> Comments?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>> 
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RE: long rant was Re: GW Micro Responds to the Future of Screen Readers Discussion Panel Questions

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I don't like the many 4 finger salutes that you have to do with Voiceover.

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 2:41 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: long rant was Re: GW Micro Responds to the Future of Screen
Readers Discussion Panel Questions

ALthough you are entitled to your opinion, I have to completely disagree.
There are few sites where a windows screen reader has done a better job. The
reality is despite your assertions is that both platforms just as both
screen readers has pros and cons. The Mac has by far more pros, however,
there is no denying the fact that there is work to be done. Anyone who is
honest with themselves will acknowledge this fact and the fact is APple is
addressing these issues. One other factor that will influence your browsing
experience is your ability to effectively use VOiceOver. For example, I use
VoiceOver to browse the web personally and professionally with no
difficulty. So, experience and familiarity will make a difference.
Of course at the end of the day, you use what works for you.

On Sep 2, 2010, at 8:57 PM, James Mannion wrote:

> While I have much respect for both companies, I am glad I do not have 
> to depend on the Mac for my access, especially web browsing needs.
> It-is-not-up-to-windows side standards by a long shot yet and the 
> windows side needs an overhall. I hear GW is working on that and I am 
> glad. I think a lot of people are blinded from reality because of the 
> light in which they want to paint Apple and their frustration with the 
> other side.
> 
> On 9/2/10, Sarai Bucciarelli  wrote:
>> Very well written!
>> On Sep 2, 2010, at 11:18 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
>> 
>>> Guys, I tried to keep the below as polite and forthright as 
>>> possible, but it degenerates in places and reading and rereading, I 
>>> don't really see the benefit of removing some of the language that 
>>> might be considered offensive  or abridging my comments.  I really 
>>> feel this needs to be said, not for the purpose of offending, but 
>>> for the purpose of taking what I feel is the right stance.
>>> 
>>> Hi Mark,  this is bad...  Very very bad.  There are glaring 
>>> inaccuracies in this release.  I sincerely hope you did not send it 
>>> to any public forums other than gw micro customer base.  I've quoted 
>>> what I want to draw your attention to in my comments, but left the 
>>> entire article below for people to read in it's entirety.
>>> 
>>> Article 6: You wrote,
>>> "what incentive would Apple have to make their screen reader work 
>>> with Microsoft Office and what incentive would Microsoft have to 
>>> make their screen reader work with iTunes?"
>>> This Demonstrates a lack of understanding on how the other side works.
>>> Windows is not mac OS, and mac OS is not windows.  On the mac side, 
>>> you have a screen reader, but you also have a fully accessible 
>>> operating system.  The libraries and API's used to build programs 
>>> generate accessible programs, which are then read and interpreted by 
>>> an accessible operating system, which then sends information to 
>>> voiceover... or a talk box...  or a TTY machine... Or whatever.  For 
>>> now, Microsoft has chosen to make office for mac inaccessible at 
>>> great pains to themselves. Apple and adobe have a love hate 
>>> relationship, and so adobe products on the mac are hit and miss for 
>>> accessibility users and non alike.  As the system develops though,  
>>> It will eventually become impossible to build a program on the mac 
>>> platform that is inaccessible to apples universal access design.  As 
>>> such, all software written for macs will eventually be accessible, 
>>> whether you are blind, deaf, dyslexic, paraplegic, or have any other 
>>> disability.  We may have to chase every version of ITunes on the 
>>> windows side, but eventually office for mac will be accessible 
>>> whether ms likes it or not, unless they simply choose to scrap office
for mac development before things get to that stage.  We still have a ways
to go.
 
 
>>> Article Seven: you wrote,
>>> "In addition, GW Micro is the only screen reader manufacturer to 
>>> host and moderate an email discussion list.  This list is a great 
>>> resource that allows our customers to discuss technical issues and 
>>> questions with GW Micro's technical support team as well others in 
>>> the Window-Eyes community."
>>> This is incorrect.  NVDA developers run their own user support group 
>>> exactly like GW Micro's.  The lead developer of the Espeak software 
>>> was also a regular contributor when I was there, and There should be 
>>> a brlty developer on there by now.  Apples accessibility team also 
>>> monitors the macvisionaries user group.  While they don't usually 
>>> participate, hundreds of feature requests that get bandied about th

RE: My Passport External Hard Drive

[Andy Baracco]

This may be because out of the box, those drives are formatted for Windows.
You may need to reformat the drive.

Andy
 


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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Fettgather
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 7:25 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: My Passport External Hard Drive

Hi to the list.

I had purchased a My Passport 500 GB external hard drive, when connecting it
to the Mac, a message came up asking if i wanted to use Time Machine to back
up files.

I elected not to use Time Machine but instead to copy and move files
manually.

However, when I copy files or folders to the clipboard, and open My
Passport, paste options are dimmed, in every case.

Any suggestions as to what's happening?

Thanks a lot.


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RE: ABBYY OCR Software

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What is Bluescan?  Are you saying that you need a program in addition to
Abby in order to scan and recognize?

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 12:52 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: ABBYY OCR Software

Hello Scott,

Abbyy FineReader does a great job from TIFF files. I scan books a double
page at a time, using VueScan, and it gets everything in the right order. It
can also handle more than one language within the same document.

It occasionally has a fit and screws up a few words beyond all recognition,
but this is rare. There are no preferences so you can't tweak it.

ReadIris 12, on the other hand, is dreadful. It's much worse than ReadIris
11. It is also more expensive than Abbyy FineReader.

Cheers,

Anne

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RE: USB Hub

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Did it come with a CD?  Perhaps drivers need to be installed.
Andy
 


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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Snyder
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 10:05 PM
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Subject: USB Hub

Hi Guys,
I have a brand new Rocket Fish USB Hub, and I'm trying to use it with my mac
book. For some reason, it won't be recognized. I hooked it up to my old PC,
and it worked fine. The manual says it should work with the mac, but it just
won't do it. Any ideas?

Friendly,
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RE: please don't turn this in to a debate, just need information

[Andy Baracco]

When you refer to the states, I would imagine that you are referring to the
state rehab agencies.  State rehab agencies are focused on employment, and
if they are purchasing computer equipment for a client, it is most likely
for employment related uses, and like it or not, most employers are using
Windows based computers.
 
Andy
 
 
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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of heather kd5cbl
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 6:42 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: please don't turn this in to a debate, just need information


I am a very knew Mac user and feel that our state rehab departments are
favoring the windows based machines over the mac machines.  Yes, our states
have all the money to give there blind consumers all this adaptive
technology while in school.  However, after school, blind individuals
struggle to keep their equipment up to date.  I am trying to write a letter
about the mac for blind consumers instead of jaws on a windows pc.  I wanted
to make the case that the states should not be so geared to window based
machines for there blind consumers.  I just don't no enough about OCR
solutions for the Mac like we have Kurzweil1000 for windows.  Also I am not
sure about the braille translation programs for the macs as we have mega
dots or Duxbury for the windows computers.  Also, we use victor streams,
eclipse reders and for our textbooks so if there is a Mac equivalent, I
wanted to know about it.  I am trying to convince our rehab department that
they need to show both options to their consumers.  I plan on submitting my
letter at the end of the week to are rehab department.  Thank you, Heather 

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RE: Bluetooth Mini keyboard for the Mac and I phone 4.

[Andy Baracco]

One of the Seratalk podcasts had a very positive review of a mini bluetooth
keyboard called the Freedom Connect.

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 12:44 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bluetooth Mini keyboard for the Mac and I phone 4.

You need Mini Bluetooth Keyboard from Amazon.co.uk which cost £30 plus £10
delivery from Switzerland. It and a very similar one have been widely
reviewed on the lists. I love it when travelling. it's exactly the same size
as the iPhone 4. I'm not as fast as on my Apple Wireless, but glad I have
both!

Cheers
Dave

On 19 Oct 2010, at 20:41, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> Dear All.
> 
> I'm looking for a small mini bluetooth keyboard something like my HTC
phone keyboard (as I know some of you will know) what the Touch Pro or Touch
pro 2 keyboard looks like.
> 
> I just need something small and simple which I can connect to my Iphone or
Mac Book Pro.
> 
> I'm living in the UK but if anyone in the US can recommend me anything I'm
sure I can get the same else where or the company ships to outside
destinations.
> 
> I hope someone can help.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> 
> 
> Kawal Gucukoglu
> (E-mail/MSN):
> kawal_gucuko...@sent.com
> 
> (Skype ID):
> 
> kawalgucukoglu
> 
> (Mobile/text):
> 
> +447905618396
> 
> +447576240421
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: an odd thing regarding voicemail and iphone

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This is normal.  Apparently there is a lag time before the provider deletes
it from the system.

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:33 PM
To: mac vissionaries vissionaries
Subject: an odd thing regarding voicemail and iphone

Hello. I've got a voicemail that won't go away. I double tap the voicemail
but it does not  play. I called the voicemail number and got rid of it, but
it is still  there. Any advice please? I even tried restoring from a back
up. No joy.


Sarah Alawami
MSN: marri...@gmail.com
aim: marri...@gmail.com:

website: http://music.marrie.org
face book: facebook.com/marrie
youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125
Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com
Mobile site for podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com/mobile/

The early bird gets the worm. The late worm gets to live. 

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RE: the gns bluetooth gps receiver for apple products

[Andy Baracco]

Sendero experimented with an indoor GPS type system at the CSUN conference a
few years ago.  I do not understand the tech behind it, but it somehow
involved flourescent lights.

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
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Subject: Re: the gns bluetooth gps receiver for apple products

I think inside buildings is probably a lost cause for any device.  There are
to many flat plains and angles to cause multipath that will totally hose
your signal.  I'm guessing that tower triangulation would be a better method
for building navigation althgouh that will experience many of the same
issues.  I've heard of in building navigation systems that use the lights as
navigation elements but never used this.  

I would like to see better accuracy outdoors primarily.  Places like San
Francisco or other big cities can be pretty difficult.



On Oct 25, 2010, at 10:57 AM, Yuma Decaux wrote:

> Yep, we do tend to try and justify our purchase with a good opinion.
> 
> I still need to try it out with navigon and see if its precision can be
documented by car and foot. Also would like to try it on difficult
conditions such as inside buildings etc.
> 
> best regards,
> 
> 
> Yuma DXR
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RE: scanner vs eye pal solo

[Andy Baracco]

Yes!  It was called 64 Reader.  I believe it was developed by Ed Bowman, who
later went on to write a DOS screen reader called Tiny Talk.

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nektarios Mallas
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 4:13 PM
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Subject: Re: scanner vs eye pal solo

Hi.
So, was there a screen reader for the ¬commodore or the amiga computers? 
I had an Amstrad cpc 6128 myself, and I had to do many tricks to get by. 

Nice discussion.
Nektarios.

On Oct 28, 2010, at 2:01 AM, Chris Moore wrote:

> The Commodore VICE 20 was my first computer, closely followed by the 
> Commodore 64 (fantastic sound CHIP, lovely synth sounds) then I was a 
> huge fan of the Amiga for many years also because of its sound and 
> great games too.  And it was one of the first GUI type computers that 
> actually multi tasked way before Windows and Mac OS.  The old Amiga OS 
> so reminds me of Mac OS X
> 
> Chris
> On 27 Oct 2010, at 23:53, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
>> Oh man the Apple II line was a great learning tool.
>> 
>> I had the II E and learned a great deal from my experience, not all 
>> of which were legal by any sense of the imagination.  (bluebox 
>> anyone)  I miss the 6502 assembler.:)
>> 
>> On Oct 27, 2010, at 3:49 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>> 
>>> Rose,
>>> it helps to have messed with computer and electronics since being a kid.
I am just 14 years behind you. I have been messing with computers and
electronics since age 10 (my first computer was a put together kit called an
Altairre). my first consumer electronic unit was an apple IIc. 
>>> 
>>> so, I've been around the scene for a very long time. :)
>>> 
>>> -Eric
>>> 
>>> On Oct 27, 2010, at 10:05 AM, Rosemary Gallagher wrote:
>>> 
 hi, all. I am a fairly new mac user, although I am 59 and totally 
 blind and have been for 27 years. I never used a computer while I 
 was working in the 80's and tried out an old Apple in 1985 at 
 Braille Institute. the point of ths is that I am getting a device 
 called the eye pal solo which uses a camera to take a picture of 
 printed material and then reads it. it works fairly well since the 
 scanner I have hooked up to minimac is so complicated that I 
 couldn't remember all the steps to make it work. so, the eye pal is 
 a good althernative for me. I am sure there is a web site for it, 
 but am not sure. this is still all new for me and I am somewhat 
 intimidated by how radically intelligent and computer savvy you all 
 are. I had missed the boat, but am swimming behind, trying to catch 
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RE: scanner vs eye pal solo

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The Solo is just what it says, a stand alone reading device.
 


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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 4:44 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: scanner vs eye pal solo

Will the ipal work wiht the mac? or am I geting it confused with something
else. I've seent eh ipal but not the ipal solo.

Take care.
S
On Oct 27, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Chris Moore wrote:

> Well there was built in speech which was quite controllable.  For some
reason I think it was called Narrator (even though I think its called that
on Windows too?)  You  could move sliders up and down to change pitch and
speed etc.  Most applications could take advantage of it, but I am not sure
if there was a dedicated screen reader as I had sight in those days.  I
tended to use the speech to read out naughty words and laugh (well I was a
teenager).
> 
> I also had the Curah Speech Synthesizer for the Commodore 64.  This was a
cartridge that plugged into the back and cost £30 at the time.  Very basic,
but in 1984 my friends were totally amazed and thought it was very
futuristic like something out of a science fiction movie.
> 
> How things have progressed eh?
> 
> Chris
> On 28 Oct 2010, at 00:13, Nektarios Mallas wrote:
> 
>> Hi.
>> So, was there a screen reader for the ¬commodore or the amiga computers? 
>> I had an Amstrad cpc 6128 myself, and I had to do many tricks to get by. 
>> 
>> Nice discussion.
>> Nektarios.
>> 
>> On Oct 28, 2010, at 2:01 AM, Chris Moore wrote:
>> 
>>> The Commodore VICE 20 was my first computer, closely followed by the 
>>> Commodore 64 (fantastic sound CHIP, lovely synth sounds) then I was 
>>> a huge fan of the Amiga for many years also because of its sound and 
>>> great games too.  And it was one of the first GUI type computers 
>>> that actually multi tasked way before Windows and Mac OS.  The old 
>>> Amiga OS so reminds me of Mac OS X
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> On 27 Oct 2010, at 23:53, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> 
 Oh man the Apple II line was a great learning tool.
 
 I had the II E and learned a great deal from my experience, not all 
 of which were legal by any sense of the imagination.  (bluebox 
 anyone)  I miss the 6502 assembler.:)
 
 On Oct 27, 2010, at 3:49 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
 
> Rose,
> it helps to have messed with computer and electronics since being a
kid. I am just 14 years behind you. I have been messing with computers and
electronics since age 10 (my first computer was a put together kit called an
Altairre). my first consumer electronic unit was an apple IIc. 
> 
> so, I've been around the scene for a very long time. :)
> 
> -Eric
> 
> On Oct 27, 2010, at 10:05 AM, Rosemary Gallagher wrote:
> 
>> hi, all. I am a fairly new mac user, although I am 59 and totally 
>> blind and have been for 27 years. I never used a computer while I 
>> was working in the 80's and tried out an old Apple in 1985 at 
>> Braille Institute. the point of ths is that I am getting a device 
>> called the eye pal solo which uses a camera to take a picture of 
>> printed material and then reads it. it works fairly well since 
>> the scanner I have hooked up to minimac is so complicated that I 
>> couldn't remember all the steps to make it work. so, the eye pal 
>> is a good althernative for me. I am sure there is a web site for 
>> it, but am not sure. this is still all new for me and I am 
>> somewhat intimidated by how radically intelligent and computer 
>> savvy you all are. I had missed the boat, but am swimming behind, 
>> trying to catch up.  Joy
>> 
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RE: apple wireless keyboard:

[Andy Baracco]

Well!  while you have your credit card in hand, you could buy a bluetooth
Braille display, a nifty headset of your choice, speakers, and I guess it
goes on and on depending on your card limit. (SMILE)!
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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chenelle Hancock
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 3:12 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: apple wireless keyboard:

Hi all:

I just received my brand new apple wireless keyboard and I find it to be
quite easy to operate with my i-phone 3gs.  I have not tried it with my mb
pro as of yet but I DO INTENT  TO DO SO BEFORE THE WEEK IS OUT. i ALSO FIND
IT SO MUCH EASIER TO TEXT MESSAGE MY friend and family by using the wireless
keyboard instead of using my index finger all of the time.  I wanted to know
if there were any other portable devices  that I CAN PURCHASE  FOR MY
I-phone?. 
thanks  so much mack list.
sincerely, chenelle

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: some newbie mac questions - item chooser

[Andy Baracco]

How do you download it?  When I clicked on the link, WMP came up and it
began to play.  I just want to download it.
Andy
 


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-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marlaina Lieberg
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 5:26 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: some newbie mac questions - item chooser

Erik,

I am downloading it now.  Many thanks and do not worry about being mic shy.

Marlaina
- Original Message -
From: "erik burggraaf" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: some newbie mac questions - item chooser


OK,  You know the old saying, a tutorial is worth a thousand emails.

Try this.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1291668/addressbook.mp3


I'm a bit mic shy, so maybe it will be no help at all,  but maybe it will 
give you a better idea what's supposed to happen.

Best,
Erik Burggraaf
User support consultant,
One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in 
person,
1-888-255-5194
http://www.erik-burggraaf.com

On 2010-11-04, at 4:02 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:

> Erik,
>
> Ok so I do cmd-1 and it says card and column then i do vo-i and I still
> don't get anywhere.  I have never used item chooser until today; is there
> something basic I need to know first about using item chooser?  what 
> happens
> to me now is this:
>
> I do cmd-1 vo-i it says item chooser 42 items.  I then start typing karen 
> to
> pull up all my karens and I land up on something that is part of the card
> for doctor jackson, my lung doctor who is a man and would shutter to think
> his first name was karen!  
>
> Thank you for your patience as I try to catch up with the expert knowledge
> on this list!
>
> Marlaina
> - Original Message - 
> From: "erik burggraaf" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 10:19 AM
> Subject: Re: some newbie mac questions - item chooser
>
>
> Hi, try pressing command 1 and then go to the item chooser.
>
> Let me know how it goes.
>
> Best,
>
> Erik Burggraaf
> User support consultant,
> One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in
> person,
> 1-888-255-5194
> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>
> On 2010-11-04, at 12:43 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>
>> Ok; I think I am not getting something here.  I'm in addressbook on my
>> macAir and I brought up item chooser; it said 30 items; I started typing
>> gary and it said go left.  What did I not do?
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "erik burggraaf" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 8:57 AM
>> Subject: Re: some newbie mac questions
>>
>>
>> Hi, see comments below.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> User support consultant,
>> One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in
>> person,
>> 1-888-255-5194
>> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>>
>> On 2010-11-04, at 11:12 AM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>>
>>> 1.  I need to know how to efficiently navigate calendar and addressbook.
>>> In
>>> calendar for example, when I do control shit t and then get my date I
>>> want
>>> to view entered, I hear nothing and when I vo right or left, I'm back to
>>> today's date.  Also, entering appointments is weird for me because I
>>> haven't
>>> quite figured out how to know whether I'm on the month chooser, the day
>>> or
>>> the year, and then we add in the time.  It doesn't seem to be consistent
>>> that one right arrow takes me to month, 2 to day, 3 to year and 4 to
>>> time.
>>> Yeh, I'm not really sure how to help with this.  I'm sure I have the
>>> answer but not really how to communicate it.  The inconsistancy in the
>>> date and time control could be because it remembers where you left off.
>>> so, if you only set the month and the day for an appointment, when you
>>> get
>>> back to the date control it will still be on day instead of starting 
>>> back
>>> at year.  It's definitely not inconsistant so something in the logic of
>>> how these things work is off.
>>
>>> I am still at a loss to efficiently navigate to a contact in 
>>> addressbook.
>>> I'm at such a loss, in fact, I can't even tell you what I can't do,
>>> smile!
>>> This one is easy.  Press vo I for the item chooser menu.  You can then
>>> start typing.  If you type the first few letters of any piece of info 
>>> the
>>> item chooser will pull up everything that has that info.  Typing lie 
>>> will
>>> give you all the liebergs.  Typing mar will give you all the marlenas 
>>> and
>>> margarets and marys.  Even if you have hundreds or thousands of 
>>> contacts,
>>> the item chooser will still get you to the vcard you want in seconds. 
>>> If
>>> you then want their work phone, go back to the item chooser and type
>>> work.
>>> If you want their home address go to the item chooser and type home. 
>>> The
>>> item chooser may in fact be even more useful in calendar and address 
>>> book
>>> than it is in safari, and that is really saying something.
>>
>>> 2

RE: Mod note -was- Re: THE MAC BEING LIKE CRACK DISCUSSION

[Andy Baracco]

scott's post gave me the biggest laugh I have had from anything on this
list.
Andy
 


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-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 5:09 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mod note -was- Re: THE MAC BEING LIKE CRACK DISCUSSION

Okay All;

Chill!

Personally the Mac / sex analogy etc. doesn't bother me a bit. However,
since we have a multi-cultural, multi-racial list of many belief systems /
age groups, I'd respectfully ask that we keep this in mind and not only be
considerate of others but also just plain be polite.

If you can't all at least act like adults about this stuff and realize that
it actually might offend people and that each of you isn't the only one on
this list, then you simply won't be able to post here. That's all there is
to it.

I'm sorry, but we really do all need to just get along and be nice to each
other. that's not too much to ask, is it? :)

So please, enjoy each other's company and please try being a bit considerate
of other's views here, whether you share them or not.

Thanks and have a terrific day!.

Smiles,

Cara :)

On Nov 15, 2010, at 2:15 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Here's a shocker for you, I don't give a flying you know what.

Delete it remember that's the key in the upper right hand of your keyboard.
In fact, it takes a lot less energy to hit that key than it does to send a
meaningless rant.

Must have found a whale.:)

So back at you, I find your rant highly offensive, uneducated and a
reflection of a lack of funny bone which should be a capitol offense.

On Nov 15, 2010, at 1:29 PM, Hai Nguyen wrote:

> Scott,
> I find your message to be very offensive, tasteless, and sexist, as well
as being  entirely off topic.
> On Nov 15, 2010, at 3:03 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
>> So if we extend the Mac and Sex analogy would that be something like 
>> A Mac Air is that cute lil Asian girl that works up on floor 6 that
everyone wants and the PC is the fat white chick who can't stop eating chips
when she hits bag?
>> 
>> On Nov 15, 2010, at 11:56 AM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
>> 
>>> I'VE NEVER REALLY LIKED THE ELECTRONICS AND SEX ANALGY, BUT THAT AIR WAS
TRULY SEXY.  LOL  I WOULD RATHER THAT THAN AN IPAD ACTUALLY.  MY HUSBAND HAS
AN IPAD AND I PLAY WITH IT OCCASIONALLY, BUT I'D RATHER THE AIR.
>>> 
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RE: iTunes: is there a good tutorial out there?

[Andy Baracco]

For windows or the Mac?  NBP has an iTunes tutorial. It is based on the
Windows version though.

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-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marlaina Lieberg
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 3:07 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes: is there a good tutorial out there?

I have been limping along in iTunes, and it's now time to get serious about
it.  I get very lost and confused in that app.  I can't figure out things
like how to save a radio station, subscribe or unsubscribe to a podcast,
search for music in the iTunes store and then buy the music, etc.  I am able
to sync my iPhone and that's about all I am successful in doing.

Rather than take up tons of time and space on this list, is anyone aware of
a tutorial I might purchase or have access to that will teach me iTunes in a
reasonable and logical way?

Thanks so much!

Marlaina

P.S.  If anybody wants to give help here, that's ok as well; I just feel
like I am asking a lot of questions and perhaps taking up too much list time
and space on the things I want to learn.

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RE: Capchas and OCR?

[Andy Baracco]

I have seen this question asked on other lists, and the consensus seems to
be "no" because the image is deliberately distorted, just like the audio
CAPTCHA's are.  I know people who have no vision problem who say that they
have trouble reproducing them.
Andy
 


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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 1:25 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Capchas and OCR?

Hi, folk,

I haven't tried this yet, but I was wondering if anyone else has tried to
use an OCR program to solve a capcha? Theoretically one could download the
image into a folder, and, say, open it in FineReader Express. or one could
take a screen-shot and open it in an OCR app.

Thoughts? Experiments? I will probably try this on my own in the
not-too-distant future.

Thanks,
Teresa

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RE: xternal hard drive not showing up on desktop.

[Andy Baracco]

Make sure that the USB end of the USB cable that goes into the back of the
drive is securely seated.

Andy
 


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of matthew Dyer
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 12:17 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: xternal hard drive not showing up on desktop.

Hi all,

I have a western digital pasport which is not showing up.  I am able to
deteced that ikt iks being seen or that it is getting power from the usb
port, but not showing up.  I looked in finder prefs abnd externals  diives
is set to show up on the desktop.  I have beebn having problems with this
for some time.  Anyideas?  I hope my drive isn't going bad.  I could not get
windows to see it eather.  Thanks.

Matthew


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RE: Problems with Braille displays and iOS devices

[Andy Baracco]

There is also a list for the RefreshaBraille, and I have seen posts there
concerning the RBD and iPhone.
For more info, go to:

http://tech.aph.org/mailman/listinfo/rbd

Andy
 


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 11:59 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Problems with Braille displays and iOS devices

THanks, but I am not a member of that list. I have received some information
that supports my assertions of this being related to firmware on the
display. Btw, I do not recall hearing about this list. Is it similar to this
list?

Scott





On Jan 8, 2011, at 2:52 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote:

> Hi Scott:
> You might also want to post this on the applebraille list.  I don't 
> yet have a display, but you might also reach more people there.:)
> 
> Be well
> 
> Carolyn H
> On Jan 8, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> All,
>> 
>> I sent this to the VI Phone list, but I know some of you have Braille
displays and have or are using them with your iOS device. If so, please see
below and your assistance is appreciated in advance.
>>> I just got a new Refreshabraille 18. I have already discovered that I am
having some problems, which are a reminder of the problems I had with the
Brailliant 40. Now the one common denominator is that both are made by Baum.
>>> So, knowing that others have reported issues with displays, I have some
questions that I would appreciate folks answering. Please send your response
directly to me to avoid cluttering the list. If you do not have a display,
but have heard of issues, please do not respond to this message unless you
have all the details. Please, I really need to get some solid evidence that
I can use to assemble a report.
>>> 
>>> Questions:
>>> 
>>> 1. Make and model of the Braille display you use.
>>> 2. Firmware revision.
>>> 3. If you know that Baum made the display for the vendor, please state
yes here.
>>> 4. Ios Device type.
>>> 5. Version of iOS software.
>>> 6. Do you use wireless networking?
>>> 7. Does your connecting or reconnecting your Braille display cause your
WIFI network connection to be lost?
>>> A. If so, did you try changing your 2.4Ghz router from the typical
default of channel 11 to something else and did that resolve the problem?
>>> 8. When initially pairing your iOS device, did you receive an error that
the display could not be connected because there was an error in loading the
driver?
>>> 9. Upon another attempt were you successful, but noticed odd behaviors
such as sluggishness of the display, certain commands or characters not
functioning?
>>> 10. Were you finally able to get the display connected and functioning
correctly?
>>> 11. If the answer to question 10 was yes, did you still encounter issues
with putting the iOS device asleep and unlocking the iOS device to find the
Braille display was no longer connected and would not automatically
reconnect?
>>> 12. Do you have other bluetooth devices such as keyboards, headphones,
etc paired as well?
>>> 13. If you answered yes to question 12, please provide any information
regarding the other devices you have paired.
>>> 14. Did you attempt to delete the other devices to determine if these
were creating a conflict with the display?
>>> 15. Did you at any time attempt to reset your iOS device?
>>> 16. Please provide any additional information that you feel may help.
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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RE: bad language was Re: =What the Verizon phone means for Apple

[Andy Baracco]

Oh! God!  Please give me strength.  Are people really saying that the blind
are the only segment of society that uses raw language?  my grandfather was
a construction worker, and not blind, and often used language that would
make one blush.  This reminds me of gatherings of adult blind people where
alcohol was not served for fear of the poor blind people getting drunk, and
doing, God knows what.

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-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Maurice Mines
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 10:44 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: bad language was Re: =What the Verizon phone means for Apple

You areIn a hello,I don't normally comment on things on this list. However I
am compelled to comment on this. Let's face it folks the other 75%
unemployment rate in the United States. Bad language scares potential
employers period so that is not mistaken that there is no possibility of
misinterpretation as the list moderator has said we don't know who's reading
this. Let me also tell you that lists like this are archived in many
different places. When you go to look for employment employers look at this
list if there's bad language you can cost people jobs and that only 30% of
blind Americans working in this country I implore you to please do not use
inappropriate and nonprofessional language. Because it will cost somebody a
job and I don't think that the participants and listless want to be having
somebody on SSI SSP I and other government support programs for the rest of
their lives simply because somebody doesn't know how to treat people with
common respect and refrain from inappropriate language. In short I agree
with the moderator, let's knock it off. To say that this thread disturbs me
in many different ways, would be an understatement. Let's move on. I'm not a
moderator, but if we're interested in all getting out there, and getting
meaningful positions of employment for those of us were not working, using
the target language is imperative. Thank you very much for reading this. PS,
I am using dictation software. As my tagline says some words they actually
come out and appropriately. However I think that you can get the inference
of what I am saying. I will not comment any further on this subject.
On Jan 12, 2011, at 11:33 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

> What's reasonable, who's definition of language?
> 
> Why does your definition superseed mine?  Why do prudes always want
reasonable when their beliefs aren't and use some sort of artificial moral
high ground to brow beat others in to submission?
> 
> What if I objected to the word piano because I had a bad Piano experience
as a child and expected you to be reasonable and not use the word piano?  If
this is acceptable then where does that logic end?
> 
> At no time did anyone post anything that violated the FCC rules for over
the air transmition.  Even though I think the FCC is a bunch of stufed suits
that seems like a fairly reasonable template and anyone who objects to
content that fits with in that template is an old fuddy duddy of the highest
order.
> 
> Heh
> 
> Here's a brilliant idea with a lot of historical backing.  Instead of
silencing someone which is a very common practice in the blind community
lists especially why not use that delete key that's located in the upper
right of your keyboard?  Nobody loses in that situation.  You don't get your
pretty little sensibilities hurt and nobody loses their right to express
themselves.  Live and let live, turn the other cheek, all that mumbo jumbo.
> 
> Good times!
> 
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:40 AM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
> 
>> I hope the moderators will follow through and move to read-only status
those persons who continue to disregard the very reasonable requests
regarding language.  
>> 
>> Marlaina, a very happy A T & T customer who has never been treated with
anything but respect and professionalism by A T & T.
>> 
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RE: bad language was Re: =What the Verizon phone means for Apple

[Andy Baracco]

actually, I believe that that quote originally came from your grandfather,
Abraham Lincoln. (SMILE)!
Andy
 


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Oyen
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 6:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: bad language was Re: =What the Verizon phone means for Apple

I have used course language myself at times. The problem remains though, we
are singling out others in our own community for being too abrasive when
they are mild by comparison to some sighties.

now I realize that the mods here have specific rules and ethics to which the
adhere. We need to trust them to do their jobs. it is not up to us to tell
them how.  The problem I see here is that someone will be offended no matter
what we say or do.  My great Grandfather summed up nicely: "you can please
some of the people some of the time. you can please all of the people some
of the time. BUT, you cannot please all of the people all of the time". It
sounds cliche I know, but, it is often true.

-Eric

On Jan 12, 2011, at 7:25 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:

> Oh! God!  Please give me strength.  Are people really saying that the 
> blind are the only segment of society that uses raw language?  my 
> grandfather was a construction worker, and not blind, and often used 
> language that would make one blush.  This reminds me of gatherings of 
> adult blind people where alcohol was not served for fear of the poor 
> blind people getting drunk, and doing, God knows what.
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> 
> "I'm pretty good at drinkin beer."
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Maurice Mines
> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 10:44 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: bad language was Re: =What the Verizon phone means for 
> Apple
> 
> You areIn a hello,I don't normally comment on things on this list. 
> However I am compelled to comment on this. Let's face it folks the 
> other 75% unemployment rate in the United States. Bad language scares 
> potential employers period so that is not mistaken that there is no 
> possibility of misinterpretation as the list moderator has said we 
> don't know who's reading this. Let me also tell you that lists like 
> this are archived in many different places. When you go to look for 
> employment employers look at this list if there's bad language you can 
> cost people jobs and that only 30% of blind Americans working in this 
> country I implore you to please do not use inappropriate and 
> nonprofessional language. Because it will cost somebody a job and I 
> don't think that the participants and listless want to be having 
> somebody on SSI SSP I and other government support programs for the 
> rest of their lives simply because somebody doesn't know how to treat 
> people with common respect and refrain from inappropriate language. In 
> short I agree with the moderator, let's knock it off. To say that this 
> thread disturbs me in many different ways, would be an understatement. 
> Let's move on. I'm not a moderator, but if we're interested in all 
> getting out there, and getting meaningful positions of employment for 
> those of us were not working, using the target language is imperative. 
> Thank you very much for reading this. PS, I am using dictation 
> software. As my tagline says some words they actually come out and
appropriately. However I think that you can get the inference of what I am
saying. I will not comment any further on this subject.
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 11:33 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
>> What's reasonable, who's definition of language?
>> 
>> Why does your definition superseed mine?  Why do prudes always want
> reasonable when their beliefs aren't and use some sort of artificial 
> moral high ground to brow beat others in to submission?
>> 
>> What if I objected to the word piano because I had a bad Piano 
>> experience
> as a child and expected you to be reasonable and not use the word 
> piano?  If this is acceptable then where does that logic end?
>> 
>> At no time did anyone post anything that violated the FCC rules for 
>> over
> the air transmition.  Even though I think the FCC is a bunch of stufed 
> suits that seems like a fairly reasonable template and anyone who 
> objects to content that fits with in that template is an old fuddy 
> duddy of the highest order.
>> 
>> Heh
>> 
>> Here's a brilliant idea with a lot of historical backing.  Instead of
> silencing someone which is 

RE: Apple to Remove the Home Button from Future iPads and iPhones?

[Andy Baracco]

My take was that this only will apply to the iPad.
Andy
 


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben Mustill-Rose
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 3:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple to Remove the Home Button from Future iPads and iPhones?

I was thinking about that as well actually. The only way I can see it
working is if your fumb is at the bottom of the screen and your other
4 fingers are at the top. Even then, it doesn't sound overly smooth.

I do like the idea of controling multitasking using jestures though; I
always thought that the app switcher could have been a bit better ad that it
could load a bit faster come to think of it.

On 17/01/2011, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> I don't think this will effect VO accessibility much.  They can simply 
> turn it from triple press of home, to triple press of sleep/power 
> button.  As far as the iPhone is concerned, I'm more worried about 
> these 4 and 5 finger gestures they're reportedly thinking about.  It 
> wouldn't be any trouble on a iPad with all that screen real estate 
> but, on an iPhone?  I couldn't imagine many adults being able to do a 
> 5 finger pinch gesture with comfort.  The screen is just too small.
>
> Ricardo Walker
> rwalker...@gmail.com
> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
>
>
>
> On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>
>> Saw this story and thought I'd pass it along. This could spell 
>> trouble for some of the accessibility features on the iPhone, for 
>> example, triple-clicking the home button to toggle VO on and off.
>>
>> http://www.macrumors.com/2011/01/13/apple-to-remove-home-button-from-
>> future-ipads-and-iphones/
>>
>> Kevin
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RE: Apple to Remove the Home Button from Future iPads and iPhones?

[Andy Baracco]

Before my iPhone, every cell phone I ever had would either play a tune,
vibrate, or both when it came on.

Andy
 


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 9:59 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple to Remove the Home Button from Future iPads and iPhones?

That's a really good suggestion!

I second that.

On Jan 17, 2011, at 4:06 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> rather than removing the home buttons can't they do something more
constructive by putting in an vibration feedback when the devices come on.
> 
> Sent From My I Phone
> 
> On 17 Jan 2011, at 11:51 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> I don't think this will effect VO accessibility much.  They can simply
turn it from triple press of home, to triple press of sleep/power button.
As far as the iPhone is concerned, I'm more worried about these 4 and 5
finger gestures they're reportedly thinking about.  It wouldn't be any
trouble on a iPad with all that screen real estate but, on an iPhone?  I
couldn't imagine many adults being able to do a 5 finger pinch gesture with
comfort.  The screen is just too small.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
>> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 17, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>> 
>>> Saw this story and thought I'd pass it along. This could spell trouble
for some of the accessibility features on the iPhone, for example,
triple-clicking the home button to toggle VO on and off.
>>> 
>>> http://www.macrumors.com/2011/01/13/apple-to-remove-home-button-from
>>> -future-ipads-and-iphones/
>>> 
>>> Kevin
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RE: anyone tried eharmony?

[Andy Baracco]

Actually, I know several people who found success with Eharmony, but I agree
with Scott, in that you can find that special person anywhere.  i know a
couple who met at a bus stop, just like that Hollys song.  I know a woman
whose future husband pumped her gas one day in a service station.  But
screen reader users have told me that they needed sighted assistance at
times navigating the site.

Andy
 


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 1:20 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: anyone tried eharmony?

Heh I wasn't trying to be insensitive just trying to be real.

Honestly, I think you'll have an easier time meeting someone locally with
similar interests while interacting with them than behind a terminal.

I'm glad it worked for you, but for everyone one of you there's hundreds who
have horror stories.  That's because contrary to popular beleaf the
interactions online just aren't as based in reality.

I think we as blind people (myself included) can fall in to a rut of staying
behind the terminal to much.  Meeting that special someone out and around
like the grocery store, restaurant, dog track, what ever has advantages not
the least of which is you get through that whole uneasiness with blindness
thing right from the get go.  

That's my point that and Eharmony doesn't play nice on the net.  No
harshness intended.

On Jan 22, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Jim Barbour wrote:

> Wow!  "besides, just go outside" is a rather insensitive thing to say.  
> I met my wife on E-harmony, and we're very happy together.
> 
> Unfortunately, I can't help with the web page issues.  I used it on a 
> windows machine, and I'm pretty sure I needed zoomtext to help make it 
> work.
> 
> Good Luck Karen,
> 
> Jim
> 
> On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 12:33:38PM -0800, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Just to add to this a little, eharmony was known for being a bad net
citizen for a long time.  Lots of problems with spamming and other bad
practices.  This may have been addressed since but it's something to watch
out for.
>> 
>> Besides, just go outside, you'll have better luck.:)  I honestly think
you'll have an easier time finding someone your a match with through common
activities or interests than website magic.
>> 
>> just my $.02
>> 
>> On Jan 22, 2011, at 9:16 AM, heather kd5cbl wrote:
>> 
>>> I had trouble with their site because, they give you sliding bars 
>>> that, you cant select.  Of course, no one ever got back to me, humm.  
>>> Heather
>>> - Original Message - From: "Karen Lewellen" 
>>> 
>>> To: "list voiceover" 
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 3:51 AM
>>> Subject: anyone tried eharmony?
>>> 
>>> 
 yes, this is on topic lol.
 Sort of in the same spirit of Carolin's site question at that place
that made me hungry...honeybaked I think.
 What is so amazing about eharmony is that no one has not made them fix
this already.  One of the reps told me they have had complaints before, and
yet on one of the critical sections, the in my own words part of the
profile, requires a physical mouse click to submit...no button whatsoever.
 I have tried both lynx as in the cat, and e-links which can usually
manage java scripting, but it is a mess.  some links work others do not etc.
 Does not help that the men they are sending are totally wrong for me
lol. Or maybe I should be glad since I cannot do much at all.
 if someone wants to really take a look, I may have to share my log in,
do not mind for the sake of some wisdom, because  it is amazing .
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RE: iWOrk: VoiceOver Falls Short

[Andy Baracco]

I agree with what is stated below.  I have noticed this bias in other
comparisons that you have done.   If I didn't know better, I would say that
you are an FS plant.

Andy
 


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-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 10:05 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iWOrk: VoiceOver Falls Short

Hi Kevin,

I spent some time listening to your suggested podcast and am a little
annoyed with your approach and attitude presented within it.  While your
comments below suggest a welcomeness to constructive comments and/or
workarounds, your tone within the podcast itself is very critical of VO.
Much of this criticism, in my opinion, is due to a lack of experience with
the product itself.  You and your partner appear well versed in the use of
JAWS and are using that wealth of experience to attempt a comparison with a
product that you do not have the same familiarity with.  Therefore, your
conclusions seem rather tilted.

Now, I do appreciate your efforts in providing the podcast episodes, as such
comparisons are useful.  Simply to eliminate the judgemental comments would
make them more palatable from my prospective.  As I've noticed from much of
the suggestions supplied by Anne Robertson, much of what you criticized with
respect to VO is actually doable.  I might also add, that many of these are
not necessarily "workarounds", but really just a different way of
approaching things.  For the most part, we all have to realize that VO and
the MacOS is not Windows, nor do I want it to be, so if we must do things a
little differently, then so be it.

Now for some specifics:

. In Numbers, you made fun of Numbers saying "B4" with the word "Cell" and
quipped about not needing to hear the word "Cell" since you knew that you
were in a spreadsheet.  You also mentioned that there was no way that you
could stop it from saying the word "Cell".  In this case, you are
inaccurate, simply set your default verbosity to "Low" and VO will not say
the word "Cell" anymore.

I will readily admit that JAWS handles MS products very well and I'm not
trying to say that VO handles iWork just as well, my objections are with
your perceived expertise with VO during the comparison and your
over-critical tone.  Your obvious comfort level with JAWS allows for the
ease of use whereas that same level of comfort is not apparent for VO.
These inconsistencies are brought home considerably when I read the
comments/suggestions from Anne.

Maybe, instead of making such judgements, you could preface your comments
with phrases like, "In my experience with VO thus far", or " I haven't
figured out how to do whatever yet, but there may be someone who's more
familiar than me with it".  I feel that this would give your podcast a more
professional tone and consequently, add validity to it.  In it's current
state, I would not be inclined to listen to further episodes.

Just my thoughts.

Later...

On 2011-01-31, at 3:58 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:

> Please have a listen to latest, episode 6 of VOiceOVer On podcast, where
APple iWork and  Microsoft Office screen reader accessibility are compared. 
> http://VoiceOverOn.podbean.com
> 
> If any are aware of  work-arounds, -, solutions or  any feedback ,
specifically on content; please provide it with   very specific  steps. 
> 
> Apple Accessibility are made aware of all these issues, both text and
audio  form, which they are more than fine with  the podcast.
> 
> Goal of VOiceOver On podcast is  to highlight   the good, bad and ugly of
VoiceOver. THis allows for people to be aware. More importantly, for APple
to be aware of issues in a variety of formats, which will allow for these
issues to be addressed at a later point.
> 
> Kevin 
> ,   
> On Jan 31, 2011, at 3:16 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
> 
>> You know, I'm not exactly the biggest apple fan on here, but if those 
>> are all the bugs that are present in iWork, I have to say thats 
>> pretty impressive. I can't right now, but I'm sure that if I had 
>> time, I could come up with many more bugs that one could find using a 
>> windows screenreader and office.
>> I'm all for talking about a products weeknesses, but it seems like 
>> your podcast exists purely to expose the bad points about voiceover, 
>> despite its name.
>> 
>> On 31/01/2011, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> And your point is?
>>> 
>>> I assume you've contacted the Apple accessibility people about this?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> 
>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>> 
>>> Skype Name:
>>> barefootedray
>>> 
>>> On Jan 31, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
>>> 
 Below are various aspects  of iWork, when it comes to content 
 browsing/viewing, where VoiceOver falls short.
 
 Pages
 * VoiceOver find doesn't ' always work, which requires arrowing 
 around document and repea

RE: scanning and the mac

[Andy Baracco]

But you have to have both packages.  
Andy
 


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-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Antonio M. Guimaraes
Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 9:06 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: scanning and the mac

iPal is now working in conjunction with K-1000.

If you are okay with buying yet another expensive software solution, check
directly with the ipal people as I believe they are soon anouncing a pricing
deal for K-1000 users.

Antonio Guimaraes
On Feb 16, 2011, at 10:54 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

> There is no solution for the Mac equal to K1000 if you use things like the
bookmark and other features of that application. The k3000 for Mac is old
and not vo-compatible and not appropriate for blind folks. Stick with k1000
and never mind native Mac solutions if you're a power user, which it sounds
like you are. You won't be happy with other solutions that don't offer
features you're use to and don't offer anything like the convenience of the
K1000 application. I have K1000 running on a Windows machine with a
bookedge scanner by Plustek. Bootcamp or a vm may work for you. Good luck.
> 
> Mary
> Mary Otten
> motte...@gmail.com
> 
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RE: scanning and the mac

[Andy Baracco]

Stephen at Kurzweil told me that you can't buy the camera separately, and
you can't use it separately.  The Eye-Pal software must be installed, as
k1000 needs to access components of the Eye-Pal software, so if you are
going to use K1000 with the Eye-Pal camera,  you will need to purchase both
packages.

Andy



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 6:10 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: scanning and the mac

Brian,
Eye-pal is a scanning solution offered for sale by abisee, a company in
Massachusetts. It was written for Windows and ported to the Mac, but it is
not vo-compatible at all; it is self voicing. It uses a camera rather than a
flat-bed scanner for image acquisition, and it is now possible to use the
camera portion of the package together with the k1000 software. I haven't
any idea what the camera sells for separately. 

Mary

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RE: Big time Vo Crash

[Andy Baracco]

Gee!  I use windows and Window Eyes, and my speech crashes once or twice a
day.  I wouldn't know what it would be like to go through a day without
speech crashing.  I guess all things are relative. (SMILE)!
Andy
 


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-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of carolyn Haas
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 8:32 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Big time Vo Crash

Hi guys:
Well, it was bound to happen at some point, and when it did, it happened
majorly.  I was typing an email, when Vo just completely went dead.  Command
f5 had no effect, command vo f8 did nothing, and rebooting 4 different times
after having to force a shutdown with the powerbutton didn't work.  A couple
of times, got the little sounds to come back, and once or twice Alex would
say a word or two, just to tease me.
I must tell you that I have a very serious and intense relationship to this
mac.  I was freaked!:)

Then, after reboot 5, suddenly Alex announced, "finder" and began reading
the apps folder in a list view.  Now, things appear to be back to normal.
But, it scared me pretty good.  What if I depended on this thing for a
living, (rather than just a life:), No, seriously.  I finally understand the
concern about these random occurrences.

Hard to write to accessibility when they're unpredictable.  Funny, but
windows used to crash all the time, and it didn't phase me at all.   
Now I know why people always get multiples of Apple things.:)

Carolyn

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RE: zoomreader for the iphone!

[Andy Baracco]

It is designed for persons with low vision.
Andy
 


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 4:22 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: zoomreader for the iphone!

Hi.

Just joined the list again after a little break so am late on this thread.
Is this application for totally blind people too please?

Kawal.
On 5 Apr 2011, at 22:17, Charlie Bates wrote:

> Hi all. Not sure how many people are aware, but aisquare, who are 
> responsible for the creation of zoomtext, have launched Zoomreader for 
> the iphone. Basically its OCR for your iphone. Only $19.95 or 
> something! very reasonable.
> 
> Here is a link to some more information. I will be buying this!
> 
> http://us1.campaign-archive2.com/?u=46e107c7813eb905dfd2a6938&id=699bc
> 38d72
> 
> isn't it fantastic that this has been developed?!
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RE: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on the mac app store.

[Andy Baracco]

Still cheaper than the other blindness oriented OCR solutions, such as
K1000, Open Book, Eye-Pal, etc.
Andy

P. S. I wonder if they are considering doing something for the iPhone.
 


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Subject: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on the
mac app store.

Hello Listers.
DocuScan is now mac compatible and can be found on the mac app store.
Don't get too excited though, unless you have $299.00 to burn on it.
Hope this actually benefits someone.
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RE: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on the mac app store.

[Andy Baracco]

I paid $1000 for Open Book.  Seems like a bargain to me.
 
Andy
 
 
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 2:51 AM
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the mac app store.


I disagree the Mac is ridiculously  priced. In fact the cost of ownership
for a Mac user will be less than a PC user. Sure you pay more on the
front-end, but the cost of upgrading the OS, applications, and so forth is
less, and you are getting a more quality product for your dollar. There is a
price for innovation and quality, so I digress from the thread, but let me
toss in the final note that if you had to purchase a windows screen reader
with that PC, you would pay about the same price. :) 

On Apr 29, 2011, at 2:33 AM, brandt wrote:



Hi there,
 
Yes, $299 is a fair bit of money, but how many actually went and bought open
Book or something similar back when ever for 3 ore 4 times more? My biggest
complaint is not the cost of software but the ridiculous prices of Mac
computers. I can and probably will go the Hakintosh route just because of
that.
 
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the mac app store.

I know nothing at all about this app.  But, I suspect that a significant
portion of the cost is related to licencing a OCR SDK 





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On 2011-04-28, at 10:05 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote:


Hello Listers.
DocuScan is now mac compatible and can be found on the mac app store.
Don't get too excited though, unless you have $299.00 to burn on it.
Hope this actually benefits someone.
the Infuriated Matt Campbell.

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RE: For those who can actually afford this, DocuScan Plus is now on the mac app store.

[Andy Baracco]

If you want Open Book with the Pearl camera, be prepared to shell out $1600
to $2000 depending on whether or not FS still is offering the intro price on
the Pearl.

Andy
 


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the mac app store.

Well, it's cheaper than other blindness reading products such as kurzweil
1000 or openbook.
On Apr 28, 2011, at 9:05 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote:

> Hello Listers.
> DocuScan is now mac compatible and can be found on the mac app store.
> Don't get too excited though, unless you have $299.00 to burn on it.
> Hope this actually benefits someone.
> the Infuriated Matt Campbell.
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RE: Mac arrives today.

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Do you need to enter a pairing code?
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shameless FanGirl
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 8:03 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac arrives today.

Evening all,

There is much to report, but the long and short of it is that setup went
beautifully, and sans even the smallest glitch. Mac is connected to my
network, Safari is behaving beautifully, I've updated approx 9 software
titles which needed it via software updater, imported ringtones and Apps
into iTunes, configured all three of my mail accounts, and am about to
install Skype. Commanders trackpad and keyboard are both configured, and
overall, a fabulous experience has been had. 

My stupid questions are as follows:

Pairing my BT keyboard is giving me problems. The Mac sees it perfectly, but
from that point, the pairing is unsuccessful. I'm sure it's me, since this
was one of the last things I attempted, and am beginning to flag a bit, but,
thoughts?

Also, am still slightly confused as to how one should best go about browsing
for folders for importing to iTunes/the Mac's file structure.

Barring all of that, this is a beautiful machine, and I'm positively in
love. :)


On May 2, 2011, at 10:37 AM, Dickson Tan wrote:

> Hi
> 
> Congratulations on the arrival of your new mac. BTW, which macbook pro 
> did you choose to buy? Did you get the 15" high-end configuration that 
> you intended previously?
> 
> Interested to hear about your experiences of getting to grips with all 
> the new keyboard controls that vo uses as supposed to a traditional 
> windows screen reader.
> 
> 
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> 
> Subject says it all really. Actually, I think it's here. I'm equal 
> parts excited, and intimidated. :) Wish me luck, and here come the 
> last-resort ridiculous questions.
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RE: abby fine reader express question

[Andy Baracco]

Can you say Docuscan?
Andy
 


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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of carolyn Haas
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 8:59 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: abby fine reader express question

Hi Chris:
Somehow, we need to find enough of people who don't want to settle for the
less that is available for the Mac and scanning.  I did approach Freedom
science fiction about the possibility of developing a Mac-friendly openbook.
The response was simply tha they weren't aware of any plans to do so.  So,
then the dilemma for me is, I have to update another family members JAWS
screen-reader because of the inavailability of a reasonably quick and secure
means of scanning.  FS wins another round.:)

I'm really thinking that the scanning apps for iDevices should be capable of
being adapted to the Mac, though I surely don't know this.
Anyway, we'll keep hoping.
Carolyn

On May 21, 2011, at 1:11 AM, Christopher Peppel wrote:

> Hi Carolyn,
> 
> I bought Abbyfinereader $99.00 figuring that it would be an inexpensive
way to scan.  It would not work with my scanner which is a Canoscan lide 90.
When Docuscan came along, I deleted the other one and just considered it a
bad job.  The problem is that we are given outdated scan engines so as I see
it, there is nothing really out there for us.  I can understand people's
concerns about having personal stuff out on the internet and paying $299.00
but I would rather do that then waste money on a program that doesn't work.

> 
> Chris
> On May 21, 2011, at 12:57 AM, carolyn Haas wrote:
> 
>> If I remember correctly, people often used a different program to scan
because Abbyy is not good at making friends with a lot of scanners.  So,
people find it easier to scan with iPhoto or Vuescan and use baby for it's
superior OCR and multi-lingual capabilities.
>> 
>> Carolyn
>> 
>> On May 20, 2011, at 7:16 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
>> 
>>> Honestly Jenny, I don't really remember what my issue was with ABBYY
Fine Reader.  I was under the impression you needed to scan with Vuscan, and
then open the file in ABBYY Fine Reader to do the OCR on it.  Is this
correct?
>>> On May 20, 2011, at 9:07 PM, Jenny Wood wrote:
>>> 
 Yes, Abby Fine Reader is $99.  Hmmm, what type of problem were you 
 having with it?  I am assuming you already have the correct driver 
 and software installed for your scanner?  And you're right, it 
 would be ideal to have access to a program that would allow you to 
 scan, recognize and read all in one.  Unfortunately, other than 
 Docuscan, I don't know of any such program just yet.  I have been 
 rather impressed with the scan quality of Abby so far though. :-)
 
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 On May 20, 2011, at 7:27 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
 
> Actually, I didn't think it took terribly long to process, but I just
don't know if I want to drop $299 on it right now.  I just wish there was
another solution on the Mac that didn't require using to applications to get
a scanned document, as is the case with needing to use Vuscan and then ABBYY
Fine Reader.  
> 
> Isn't ABBYY Fine Reader $99?  I wasn't successful getting it to work
during the trial period, but I kind of put it asside and forgot about it.
Now, I'm loathe to put down $99 for it, and then find out I still can't get
it to work.  
> 
> My desktop PC I was using to scan with an old Dell all-in-one and 
> ABBYY Fine Reader version 5 has just died, and I don't have a scanning
solution at all at the moment.  I do have a sighted husband, so it is not
terribly urgent.  Guess I"m just biding my time here.  Maybe Serotech will
put Docuscan on sale?  :) On May 19, 2011, at 10:58 PM, Jenny Wood wrote:
> 
>> Personally, I think Docuscan works rather well with a flatbed
scanner.  My only hangup with it is the "cloud-only issue and the time in
which it takes to process a single page.  
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Jenny Wood
>> Phone:   (972) 989-3894
>> Email:   kc5...@gmail.com
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 19, 2011, at 8:50 PM, carolyn Haas wrote:
>> 
>>> Ricardo:
>>> Thanks for the tip.  I didn't realize it would work with a scanner.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 19, 2011, at 7:16 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>> 
 The cloud issue is valid but, you don't need a camera.  My photo
smart all in one worked just fine.
 
 hth
 
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 On May 19, 2011, at 7:34 PM, carolyn Haas wrote:
 
> I haven't yet.  I'm a lousy shot with a came

RE: abby fine reader express question

[Andy Baracco]

I do not think you are going to see a lot of effort expended on OCR packages
for the blind for a few reasons.  One is that the mainstream solutions are
becoming more and more accessible, and the 3rd party funders of the
expensive blindness oriented solutions do not have the funds that they used
to have, and are steering blind consumers towards the mainstream solutions.
Another thing to consider is that we are moving more and more away from
paper, and towards electronic documents.  A good case in point is my
workplace.  I seldom get any hard copy documents any more.  Everything is
either an Email message, or a Word or Excel document received via Email
attachment.  Even the heavy hitters like K1000 and Open Book are coming out
with fewer major updates because there is less and less to update.  Serotek
came out with Docuscan for the mac because they are third, and thus have to
try harder, and they are looking to exploit whatever holes the top two
haven't filled.  Doesn't Eye-Pal work with the Mac?

Andy
 


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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Cohn
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 9:54 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: abby fine reader express question

THere is a lot of complaining here...  There is a take control book on
creating a paperless office that recommends good OCR scanners and a program
or two to create "Searchable" PDF files.  I don't know of anybody in the
blind community that has reviewed this book and tested the solution.   So...
I will buy the book and do a Sunday project to see how well that solution
might work for us.

I will report back on MOnday  In the mean time, let us stop complaining and
start looking at real solutions.

Best regards,

Jonathan
On May 18, 2011, at 3:32 PM, Jenny Wood wrote:

> Hi Carolyn,
> 
> Just out of curiosity, what type of scanner do you have?  I think you may
have told me before, but I think I need a refresher. :-)  I will say that as
a follow-up to our docuscan discussion, I really started digging further
into scanning possibilities for my mac.  I tried a program called Exactscan
Pro, which was sort of okay, but I was disappointed with the quality of the
recognition.  However, I also downloaded a trial version of Abby Fine
Reader, and I actually wound up purchasing it within the first couple of
days.  I am very impressed with the recognition, and it works very well with
my scanner and scanner software.  My only complaint at all about this
program, is simply the fact I have to launch the scanner software separately
to begin the scanning process, and that Abby asks you to save the file
before reviewing it.  Having said that, it really comes down to an extra
button push or two difference from what I might get out of K1000.  I have
used it intensely since having bought it.  I intend to continue using it
even once I get Fusion up and running.  I will use K1000 primarily for
larger scanning projects, since it will allow me to scan repeatedly without
necessarily having to save anything.  As far as going through the daily mail
or random papers around the house, Abby does the job perfectly.
> 
> --
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 18, 2011, at 1:52 PM, carolyn Haas wrote:
> 
>> Hi John:
>> That's one reason I haven't made that little investment.  If I'm 
>> going to buy that app, I don't want to have to jump through lots of 
>> hoops to use it.  I have to say this is one area where accessibility 
>> really could use a proberveal kick in the pants--Ok, upgrade.:)
>> 
>> I absolutely hate having to tell people I need to use the PC to scan most
conveniently.
>> 
>> Thank you for your input.
>> Carolyn
>> 
>> On May 18, 2011, at 12:43 PM, Jon Cohn wrote:
>> 
>>> I have done this with TIFF and PostScript files.
>>> 
>>> Even though I got a copy of Abby (old version) with my scanner, the new
Abby does not recognise my Epson Perfection scanner.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 18, 2011, at 1:21 PM, carolyn Haas wrote:
>>> 
 Hi:
 I'm debating about purchasing Abbyy for my Mac to access it's ocr
capabilities.  I am wondering from someone who uses it whether I can upload
an image to it from, for example, an email attachment and have it convert to
text.  TIA for any input.
 
 Carolyn
 
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RE: iPad 2 application Question

[Andy Baracco]

iPhone apps will run on the iPad, but will only display in the middle part
of the screen.

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarai Bucciarelli
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 6:25 PM
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Subject: Re: iPad 2 application Question

Aah, got you. Some of my iPad apps are not full screen, or maybe it is my
eyes being screwy.
On May 26, 2011, at 4:32 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

> The sources list in iTunes where you have music, apps, books, etc. If you
remove an app from iTunes it will be removed from all of your devices.
> 
> On May 25, 2011, at 8:58 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
> 
>> what do you mean not remove from the app's source? I was going to double
tap on iPad and then delete.
>> On May 25, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>>> Sarai,
>>> 
>>> No. In fact you can check/uncheck those apps you want to have installed.
As long as you do not remove them from the apps source you will not loose
the app. So, removing it from the device under the apps tab will only affect
the device.
>>> 
>>> On May 25, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
>>> 
 All:
 I now have an iPad 2. I sank it, and all my iPhone apps were ported
over. Some of the apps are not Ipad versions, or Idon't want on my iPad. If
I delete them from the iPad, and sync back, will I lose the apps from
iTunes, or from my iPhone the next time I sync it?
 
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RE: iPad 2 application Question

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This will only work if the app is written for both iPhone and iPad.  Apps
that are only written for iPhone will not fill the screen.
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Subject: Re: iPad 2 application Question

That is incorrect, if you hold your ipad in portrait (with home key at the
bottom) you will find a button labeled "switch to full screen mode" in the
lower right corner of the display. Tapping there will bring iPhone apps to
full screen view. 

Aloha, 

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On May 26, 2011, at 3:55 PM, "Andy Baracco"  wrote:

> iPhone apps will run on the iPad, but will only display in the middle 
> part of the screen.
> 
> Andy
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarai 
> Bucciarelli
> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 6:25 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPad 2 application Question
> 
> Aah, got you. Some of my iPad apps are not full screen, or maybe it is 
> my eyes being screwy.
> On May 26, 2011, at 4:32 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> The sources list in iTunes where you have music, apps, books, etc. If 
>> you
> remove an app from iTunes it will be removed from all of your devices.
>> 
>> On May 25, 2011, at 8:58 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
>> 
>>> what do you mean not remove from the app's source? I was going to 
>>> double
> tap on iPad and then delete.
>>> On May 25, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Sarai,
>>>> 
>>>> No. In fact you can check/uncheck those apps you want to have
installed.
> As long as you do not remove them from the apps source you will not 
> loose the app. So, removing it from the device under the apps tab will 
> only affect the device.
>>>> 
>>>> On May 25, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> All:
>>>>> I now have an iPad 2. I sank it, and all my iPhone apps were 
>>>>> ported
> over. Some of the apps are not Ipad versions, or Idon't want on my 
> iPad. If I delete them from the iPad, and sync back, will I lose the 
> apps from iTunes, or from my iPhone the next time I sync it?
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RE: Questions from a Potential New Mac User

[Andy Baracco]

There is Docuscan from Serotek.  Also, I believe that the Eye-Pal has a
version for the Mac.

Andy
 


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Colin M
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 2:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Questions from a Potential New Mac User

Hi Carrie!
Kurzweil 1000 does not work on the Mac!
Some people use vuscan and abbie fine reader either just one or both
depending on the scanner!
Also there is something else but I cannot remember it's name!
I'm sure someone else will say!
Colin
On 29 May 2011, at 21:40, Mike Arrigo wrote:

> All macs, except for the macbook air have a built in DVD burner, so that
won't be an issue. There are several different language voices from acapela,
not sure if they would include the languages you need. The printer should
work fine, not totally sure about the scanner though. You can also run
windows on your mac if you need to, so in many ways you can have the best of
both worlds.
> On May 29, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Carrie Green wrote:
> 
>> Dear Fellow Listers,
>> 
>> 
>> I am a PC user, and am thinking to switch over to Mac. I have been using
PC for over 25 years, and have no experience with Mac computers whatsoever.
I am totally blind, and hope that some of you will be willing to help me
decide whether to make the change.
>> 
>> I use JAWS for Windows version 12.01, Kurzweil 1000 version 12.4 for text
to speech scanning, and Duxbury Braille Translator Version 10.4 for braille
embossing.
>> 
>> First, does any one know if Kurzweil and Duxbury work with Macs? I know
JAWS won't.
>> 
>> Second, Does Voice Over work well with the following languages: Japanese,
Spanish and German? Can you switch between languages easily? For example, I
am trying to learn Japanese, but still need English, can Voice Over handle
both of these languages at the same time, and can one input in a word
processing document and have both languages read?
>> 
>> Third, Does Mac work with the following hardware products?: Epson 1660
flat-bed scanner, HP Laserjet 1020 Printer, Sony DVD/CD disc Recorder, I
forget which model I have. I'd rather not have to purchase more peripherals
if I don't have to.
>> 
>> Many thanks in advance.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> Carrie Green
>> 
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