RE: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah I noticed that also,

 The ipod isn't showing in the list of devices or should  I say primary devices.

 I did a search for iPod and found them that way

I hope that they aren't doing away with them in favour of the watch, 
I can't run some of my apps on the watch which is why I need the iPod touch.

May be I should buy a couple more.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Monday, 3 October 2016 7:23 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

You may be wise. Tthe discussions I have seen is that Apple want to shift 
people away from using iPod to using an Apple Watch. I have no definite 
knowledge as to whether this is true but there seems speculation that iPod 
development has ceased in favour of this longer term switch.


I went to the Apple Store in the UK and there is no mention of the iPod apart 
from its presence in a list of products described as being in the page "footer 
area".


The iPod is certainly not in the headlining products for the Store now so it 
seems it has at least shifted in priorities for marketing.



David Griffith


On 02/10/2016 14:09, Dolores Myers wrote:

> I have an iPod 5th gen and was thinking of buying an iPod 6th gen.  I had 
> been looking at Amazon but hadn’t;t bought anything yet.  After reading this 
> thread, I looked at Amazon and the only units they had were from marketplace 
> orders.  They did not seem to have any in stock to sell directly like they 
> did a few weeks ago.  I don’t know what this means, but I’m not buying 
> another iPod right now.  I refuse to buy something that is going to be out of 
> date in a year or two.
> Dolores
>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, but you're assuming he doesn't know what he's talking about.  That is 
>> certainly a possibility, I'd be about the last one to put my faith in what I 
>> hear at BestBuy, but sometimes they do know what they're talking about.  
>> Just saying.  We're all assuming he's wrong, when in actuality no one on 
>> this list has concrete proof that he is.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:42 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, we are, actually. Donna, it’s the jerk(s) at best buy we are 
>>> criticizing here. Good call here Chris 😀.
 On 2 Oct 2016, at 04:11, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
 wrote:

 Donna, we're not criticizing you!  Far from it!  If anything, we're 
 criticizing the jerk at Best Buy who told you this.  Relax.  You're not in 
 the blame here.
 ---
 Christopher Gilland
 JAWS Certified, 2016.
 Training Instructor.

 i...@gillandmarketing.com
 Phone: (704) 256-8010.
 - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
 To: 
 Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 3:22 PM
 Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?


 Chris,

 Had you paid attention, you would have noticed that my subject line 
 contained a question mark.  One reason I brought the issue to the 
 attention of the list is because I figured someone here would have better 
 information than the guy from BestBuy.  Last I heard, asking questions was 
 allowed on this list.  So hold your criticism.
 Donna
> On Oct 1, 2016, at 2:12 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>  wrote:
>
> Guys, it can’t be true, I looked at iDownloadblog and there is no 
> articles suggesting the iPod is going. Nobody’s fault, but whoever is 
> spreading rumours, on or off list, should give us some credible sources. 
> It’s allright saying a guy from Best Buy has said this and that, but 
> anybody from anywhere can make things up like that. Again, not blaming 
> anyone here, just offering some constructive criticism to the list 
> overall.
>> On 1 Oct 2016, at 19:30, Helga Schreiber  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi guys! Really? I can't believe that apple is goign to discontinued the 
>> iPod touch. That really sucks since I actually bought an iPod touch 6 
>> generation  on December of last  year! I think  the best thing is to 
>> call apple itself and ask these question or email apple accessibility 
>> and so on.  What do you guys think? I look forward in hearing from you 
>> soon. Thanks and God bless!
>>
>> Helga Schreiber
>> Group Moderator
>>
>> for the IPad help for the blind
>>
>> ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io
>>
>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of 
>> Blind Students.
>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
>> Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com
>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>>
>> 

RE: AirPods hands-on: They stayed in my ears and sounded awesome

[Simon Fogarty]

So hang on,
Beets have released a set of headphones with the W1 chip in them?

Crazy that apple would allow beets to release their headphones before apple 
release their ear ods first,

I know they are the same company but still I would have thought apple would be 
releasing theirs first.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Monday, 3 October 2016 7:51 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: AirPods hands-on: They stayed in my ears and sounded awesome

W1 Chip still has lag :(
Based on below excerpt, latency in w1 chip is less than most Bluetooth, but 
latency /= 0 ms | /= Wired connection.
"... a RemoteTalk headphone cable with 3.5mm headphone jacks ...  This, 
effectively, allows you to turn your Beats Solo3 Wireless Headphones into a 
pair of Beats Solo3 Wired Headphones. This is great for those times ... for 
other occasions, such as low latency podcast monitoring (latency is 
significantly less than most Bluetooth headphones, yet it’s still discernible.)"
https://9to5mac.com/2016/09/15/hands-on-beats-solo3-wireless-the-first-available-headphones-featuring-apples-new-w1-chip-video/

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM Scott Granados 
mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
I think it all depends on when things get sourced, parts are finished and 
assembly takes place.  Apple likes to build up a big supply before they let 
something go.  You have a very good point I just figure something in the supply 
chain held something up and they didn’t want to stall on the phone.

Pure speculation of course.

On Sep 11, 2016, at 11:14 PM, Kevin Chao 
mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I wonder why they're not released until end of October. It would have been 
great to pre-order AirPods along the iPhone 7 and Watch Series 2.

On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 8:10 PM David Chittenden 
mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello,

The new Apple Air Pods, using Apple's new chip, are Bluetooth with an 
additional technology which, according to Apple, removes all delay from the 
audio. So, there should not be any delay in VoiceOver.

The Air Pods will automatically switch between mono and stereo depending on 
whether they are in one ear or both ears. They can be paired with non-Apple 
bluetooth devices. They are paired to devices whilst in the charging case. 
Apparently, opening the case activates the paring system if they are not in 
range of a device that they are already paired with.

In the Apple ecosystem, pairing with one device will automatically pair with 
all devices using the sane iCloud account.

If they stay in my ears, and are comfortable, I am definitely getting a pair.

Oh, and if one is lost, apparently Apple will sell single replacement units, 
though there is no mention of price yet.
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 12 Sep 2016, at 13:11, Kevin Chao 
mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Do the AirPods address the inherit lag that is on *all* bluetooth audio 
devices, which is pronounced when using *any* screen reader?
i.e. Hope the latency will be equivalent between lightning EarPods and wireless 
AirPods when using VoiceOver.

On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 2:32 PM Robin 
mailto:robin-mel...@comcast.net>> wrote:
ThisChip W1Chip could Solely BelongTo Apple & Would ONLY Operate AppleDevices 
... Apple's BlueTooth Channel
At 06:00 AM 9/9/2016, you wrote:

I don’t see how this works though.

The iPhone has a specific W1 chip included.  I don’t know if bluetooth is the 
underlying wireless protocol but none of the other devices have this W1 chip.  
So how will my EarPods talk to my iPad air2 for example with no W1 processor?  
Must be some sort of bluetooth support under the hood for compatibility across 
the product line like that.  It wasn’t mentioned though so wondering how it 
works.  I was under the impression that the wireless connection itself was over 
a proprietary protocol and not bluetooth.  Would love to be wrong on that.



On Sep 9, 2016, at 3:58 AM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

hang On,
so if I pair these pods to my iPhone 6s+ which is running IOS 10,
and if my watch is running OS3 and my iPad and iPods are all running IOS 10 as 
well, these pods will automatically be picked up by those other devices?

Simply because I’m using my itunes account on all the devices.


Awesome,shame about the NZ price of the pods though, 
apple.co.nz shows them as being around 250 dollars when 
they are released.

Bloody cool though.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [ 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, 9 September 2016 5:30 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; 
VIPhone 'RobH. ' via mailto:viph...@googlegroups.com> 
>
Subject: AirPods hands-on: They stayed in my e

RE: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi,

Actually you can put music on to your watch, they have about 5 gig of space 
available but it that is also for applications as wel.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Monday, 3 October 2016 8:02 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

That's interesting.  It would absolutely never occur to me to use my Apple 
Watch as a music player.  I mean, obviously it has the music app, but as I 
understand it, all music would be played via connecting to the cloud, or 
another device like an iPhone.  Why bother with that when you could just store 
your music directly on the player?  I'm thinking about things like long car 
trips here, where you might not have WIFI, and you could burn through a lot of 
data if you used your data connection.  I think I'll stick with my plan to keep 
an old phone as an iPod. :) Cheers, Donna

> On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:23 PM, David Griffith  wrote:
> 
> You may be wise. Tthe discussions I have seen is that Apple want to shift 
> people away from using iPod to using an Apple Watch. I have no definite 
> knowledge as to whether this is true but there seems speculation that iPod 
> development has ceased in favour of this longer term switch.
> 
> 
> I went to the Apple Store in the UK and there is no mention of the iPod apart 
> from its presence in a list of products described as being in the page 
> "footer area".
> 
> 
> The iPod is certainly not in the headlining products for the Store now so it 
> seems it has at least shifted in priorities for marketing.
> 
> 
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> 
> On 02/10/2016 14:09, Dolores Myers wrote:
> 
>> I have an iPod 5th gen and was thinking of buying an iPod 6th gen.  I had 
>> been looking at Amazon but hadn’t;t bought anything yet.  After reading this 
>> thread, I looked at Amazon and the only units they had were from marketplace 
>> orders.  They did not seem to have any in stock to sell directly like they 
>> did a few weeks ago.  I don’t know what this means, but I’m not buying 
>> another iPod right now.  I refuse to buy something that is going to be out 
>> of date in a year or two.
>> Dolores
>>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah, but you're assuming he doesn't know what he's talking about.  That is 
>>> certainly a possibility, I'd be about the last one to put my faith in what 
>>> I hear at BestBuy, but sometimes they do know what they're talking about.  
>>> Just saying.  We're all assuming he's wrong, when in actuality no one on 
>>> this list has concrete proof that he is.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:42 AM, christopher hallsworth 
  wrote:
 
 Yeah, we are, actually. Donna, it’s the jerk(s) at best buy we are 
 criticizing here. Good call here Chris 😀.
> On 2 Oct 2016, at 04:11, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Donna, we're not criticizing you!  Far from it!  If anything, we're 
> criticizing the jerk at Best Buy who told you this.  Relax.  You're not 
> in the blame here.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
> i...@gillandmarketing.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 3:22 PM
> Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?
> 
> 
> Chris,
> 
> Had you paid attention, you would have noticed that my subject line 
> contained a question mark.  One reason I brought the issue to the 
> attention of the list is because I figured someone here would have better 
> information than the guy from BestBuy.  Last I heard, asking questions 
> was allowed on this list.  So hold your criticism.
> Donna
>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 2:12 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Guys, it can’t be true, I looked at iDownloadblog and there is no 
>> articles suggesting the iPod is going. Nobody’s fault, but whoever is 
>> spreading rumours, on or off list, should give us some credible sources. 
>> It’s allright saying a guy from Best Buy has said this and that, but 
>> anybody from anywhere can make things up like that. Again, not blaming 
>> anyone here, just offering some constructive criticism to the list 
>> overall.
>>> On 1 Oct 2016, at 19:30, Helga Schreiber  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi guys! Really? I can't believe that apple is goign to discontinued 
>>> the iPod touch. That really sucks since I actually bought an iPod touch 
>>> 6 generation  on December of last  year! I think  the best thing is to 
>>> call apple itself and ask these question or email apple accessibility 
>>> and so on.  What do you guys think? I look forward in hearing from you 
>>> soon. Thanks and God bless!
>>> 
>>> Helga Schreiber
>>> Group Mod

RE: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hell that's not enough,

 I have more than that on one of my 64gig ipod touchs of audio books and that's 
only a mear portion of what I have.


I think I might look at buying a couple of 128 gig touchs 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Monday, 3 October 2016 9:46 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

Apparently the speculation is that to facilitate this the Watch will increase 
to 8  GB and beyond. Someone posted a link to this discussion earlier on the 
thread.


David Griffith


On 02/10/2016 20:54, David tanner wrote:
> At this point you can only store up to two gigs of music on an Apple Watch 
> that's not a whole lot.
>
> Sent from my iPhone 7
>
>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 2:01 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>
>> That's interesting.  It would absolutely never occur to me to use my 
>> Apple Watch as a music player.  I mean, obviously it has the music 
>> app, but as I understand it, all music would be played via connecting 
>> to the cloud, or another device like an iPhone.  Why bother with that 
>> when you could just store your music directly on the player?  I'm 
>> thinking about things like long car trips here, where you might not 
>> have WIFI, and you could burn through a lot of data if you used your 
>> data connection.  I think I'll stick with my plan to keep an old 
>> phone as an iPod. :) Cheers, Donna
>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:23 PM, David Griffith  wrote:
>>>
>>> You may be wise. Tthe discussions I have seen is that Apple want to shift 
>>> people away from using iPod to using an Apple Watch. I have no definite 
>>> knowledge as to whether this is true but there seems speculation that iPod 
>>> development has ceased in favour of this longer term switch.
>>>
>>>
>>> I went to the Apple Store in the UK and there is no mention of the iPod 
>>> apart from its presence in a list of products described as being in the 
>>> page "footer area".
>>>
>>>
>>> The iPod is certainly not in the headlining products for the Store now so 
>>> it seems it has at least shifted in priorities for marketing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David Griffith
>>>
>>>
 On 02/10/2016 14:09, Dolores Myers wrote:

 I have an iPod 5th gen and was thinking of buying an iPod 6th gen.  I had 
 been looking at Amazon but hadn’t;t bought anything yet.  After reading 
 this thread, I looked at Amazon and the only units they had were from 
 marketplace orders.  They did not seem to have any in stock to sell 
 directly like they did a few weeks ago.  I don’t know what this means, but 
 I’m not buying another iPod right now.  I refuse to buy something that is 
 going to be out of date in a year or two.
 Dolores
> On Oct 2, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>
> Yeah, but you're assuming he doesn't know what he's talking about.  That 
> is certainly a possibility, I'd be about the last one to put my faith in 
> what I hear at BestBuy, but sometimes they do know what they're talking 
> about.  Just saying.  We're all assuming he's wrong, when in actuality no 
> one on this list has concrete proof that he is.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:42 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, we are, actually. Donna, it’s the jerk(s) at best buy we are 
>> criticizing here. Good call here Chris 😀.
>>> On 2 Oct 2016, at 04:11, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Donna, we're not criticizing you!  Far from it!  If anything, we're 
>>> criticizing the jerk at Best Buy who told you this.  Relax.  You're not 
>>> in the blame here.
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>>
>>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 3:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris,
>>>
>>> Had you paid attention, you would have noticed that my subject line 
>>> contained a question mark.  One reason I brought the issue to the 
>>> attention of the list is because I figured someone here would have 
>>> better information than the guy from BestBuy.  Last I heard, asking 
>>> questions was allowed on this list.  So hold your criticism.
>>> Donna
 On Oct 1, 2016, at 2:12 PM, christopher hallsworth 
  wrote:

 Guys, it can’t be true, I looked at iDownloadblog and there is no 
 articles suggesting the iPod is going. Nobody’s fault, but whoever is 
 spreading rumours, on or off list, should give us some credible 
 sources. It’s allright saying a guy from Best Buy has said this and 
 that, but anybody from anywhere can make things up like that. Again, 
>>>

RE: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

[Simon Fogarty]

Apple ear pods will work on your watch I belive.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Monday, 3 October 2016 10:56 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

Yeah, and the only way to then play it without an iPod, or iPhone is to have a 
set of bluetooth headphones pared to the watch.  Trust me, I learned that the 
hard way.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message -
From: "David tanner" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?


At this point you can only store up to two gigs of music on an Apple Watch 
that's not a whole lot.

Sent from my iPhone 7

> On Oct 2, 2016, at 2:01 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>
> That's interesting.  It would absolutely never occur to me to use my Apple 
> Watch as a music player.  I mean, obviously it has the music app, but as I 
> understand it, all music would be played via connecting to the cloud, or 
> another device like an iPhone.  Why bother with that when you could just 
> store your music directly on the player?  I'm thinking about things like 
> long car trips here, where you might not have WIFI, and you could burn 
> through a lot of data if you used your data connection.  I think I'll 
> stick with my plan to keep an old phone as an iPod. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
>
>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:23 PM, David Griffith  
>> wrote:
>>
>> You may be wise. Tthe discussions I have seen is that Apple want to shift 
>> people away from using iPod to using an Apple Watch. I have no definite 
>> knowledge as to whether this is true but there seems speculation that 
>> iPod development has ceased in favour of this longer term switch.
>>
>>
>> I went to the Apple Store in the UK and there is no mention of the iPod 
>> apart from its presence in a list of products described as being in the 
>> page "footer area".
>>
>>
>> The iPod is certainly not in the headlining products for the Store now so 
>> it seems it has at least shifted in priorities for marketing.
>>
>>
>>
>> David Griffith
>>
>>
>>> On 02/10/2016 14:09, Dolores Myers wrote:
>>>
>>> I have an iPod 5th gen and was thinking of buying an iPod 6th gen.  I 
>>> had been looking at Amazon but hadn’t;t bought anything yet.  After 
>>> reading this thread, I looked at Amazon and the only units they had were 
>>> from marketplace orders.  They did not seem to have any in stock to sell 
>>> directly like they did a few weeks ago.  I don’t know what this means, 
>>> but I’m not buying another iPod right now.  I refuse to buy something 
>>> that is going to be out of date in a year or two.
>>> Dolores
 On Oct 2, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

 Yeah, but you're assuming he doesn't know what he's talking about. 
 That is certainly a possibility, I'd be about the last one to put my 
 faith in what I hear at BestBuy, but sometimes they do know what 
 they're talking about.  Just saying.  We're all assuming he's wrong, 
 when in actuality no one on this list has concrete proof that he is.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:42 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>  wrote:
>
> Yeah, we are, actually. Donna, it’s the jerk(s) at best buy we are 
> criticizing here. Good call here Chris 😀.
>> On 2 Oct 2016, at 04:11, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Donna, we're not criticizing you!  Far from it!  If anything, we're 
>> criticizing the jerk at Best Buy who told you this.  Relax.  You're 
>> not in the blame here.
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>>
>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 3:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?
>>
>>
>> Chris,
>>
>> Had you paid attention, you would have noticed that my subject line 
>> contained a question mark.  One reason I brought the issue to the 
>> attention of the list is because I figured someone here would have 
>> better information than the guy from BestBuy.  Last I heard, asking 
>> questions was allowed on this list.  So hold your criticism.
>> Donna
>>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 2:12 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Guys, it can’t be true, I looked at iDownloadblog and there is no 
>>> articles suggesting the iPod is going. Nobody’s fault, but whoever 
>>> is spreading rumours, on or off list, should give us some credible 
>>> sources. It’s allright saying a guy from Best Buy has said this and 
>>> that, but anybody from anywhere can make things up like that. Again, 
>>> not blaming anyone here, just offering some 

RE: Leaving beta

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Ramy,

You will need to back up your phone to your computer and itunes
And then yes you need to wipe it completely to restore the OS to factory 
defaults.

Once that is done you should be able to reinsall everything from your last 
backup of your  phone

Good luck.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
Sent: Monday, 3 October 2016 7:50 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Leaving beta

Thanks so much for this information.but must I restore my device to its factory 
defaults and erase all my data or is there an easier way of doing this? Thank 
you

Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:38 AM, Helga Schreiber 
mailto:helga.schreibe...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Ramy. How are you? Below will be the two links that will help you unenrolled 
and to install the current update. Hope this helps. I look forward in hearing 
from you soon. Thanks and God bless!
https://beta.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/unenroll
https://beta.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/restore
  Helga Schreiber
Group Moderator

  for the IPad help for the blind

ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950
Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com
Skype: helga.schreiber26
4Life Website: 
http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
INT Website: http://int4life.com/

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 10

On Oct 3, 2016, at 1:53 AM, Ramy Moustafa 
mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Hello all,
I was 1 of the iphone beta testers but i need to leave this, because my time 
did not allow me to test in a good way. So, how can i install the original 
version from ios10 and recieve the updates as usual not beta versions!
Thanks in advance
Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Ramy,

 No thanks needed,
 I was happy to help when I could.

 That's what we're here for.

Good luck and hope the install went well.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
Sent: Monday, 3 October 2016 7:52 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it

Hello Simon:
Thank you so much, it was not in its place and I think is a power cable was not 
properly seat belt this is bull I think.thank you again for helping and now, I 
am in installing  el capitan thank you

Ramy moustafa saber
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> On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:40 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ramy,
> 
> Great to hear,
> 
> Did he give you an idea of what the issue was?
> 
> Great to hear you've got the installation going.
> 
> 
> 
> Simon f
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
> Sent: Monday, 3 October 2016 3:34 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it
> 
> Hello Tim and Simon:
> 
> I just wana tell you that I went to the technition and the SSD was not fixed 
> will. he fixes it and  I installed the Mountain lion, and am now updating to 
> EL capitan.
> 
> Thanks so much for your help
> 
> just 1 question.
> am now downloading the el capitan, but I can not find the progress to know 
> the percentage, is there a way to know it when am inside the mac app store?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> 
>> On 9/30/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> Yeah I wish I was in more of a situation to have a look,
>> 
>> I do think that having the drive taken out and completely wiped is 
>> going to be the best result at this point.
>> 
>> Ramy if your  reading,
>> 
>> I think Tim and I are out of ideas in this situation.
>> 
>> I would suggest getting the mac mini back to the tech and having him 
>> remove the drive and then completely wipe it clean.
>> 
>> Even if he does nothing more then we can or should I say should be 
>> able to get it up and working the same way we did with your USB flash drive.
>> 
>> But the tech could be a nice guy and wipe then partition the drive in 
>> to 1 partition with mac osx extended journeled and GUID
>> 
>> Then an install via USB will be or should I say should work perfectly 
>> touch wood.
>> 
>> Please update us on what you are thinking next.
>> 
>> Hope this Helps.
>> 
>> Simon F
>> 
>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
>> Sent: Saturday, 1 October 2016 2:11 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Target Disk mode will only work with USB, Firewire or Thunderbolt, no 
>> ethernet, sorry.  Yes, Terminal would be another good option, 
>> although, not near as friendly to the inexperienced.  After reading 
>> your posts with respect to the USB startup stick initially seeing the 
>> drive, that makes my suggestion of the drive not being seated properly as 
>> unlikely.
>> 
>> Wish I was closer.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 30, 2016, at 01:19, Simon Fogarty 
>> mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ramy,
>> 
>> Ok, glad the install went ok to the USB,
>> 
>> Yes sorry it is going to be slow but it is only a work around until 
>> we get things up and running correctly on the SSD.
>> 
>> Tim,
>> 
>> Do you know if target disk mode will work via an Ethernet network cable?
>> 
>> Ramy,
>> 
>> Do you by anychance have a thunderbolt to thunderbolt cable?
>> 
>> Or can you get hold of one for a couple of days?
>> 
>> Tim your  thoughts on my thinking,
>> 
>> If Ramy starts up his mac mini using the USB flash drive which is 
>> working, But into target disk mode, Should he be able to see the SSD 
>> if the USB Flash drive is the primary os drive in the machine?
>> 
>> Just wondering if target disk mode worked he could partition the ssd 
>> via that means?
>> 
>> I'm starting to think that the SSD might be needing to be taken out 
>> again and wiped then put back in and setup from scratch.
>> 
>> Ramy I'll try getting hold of one of our work mac techs and see if 
>> they can give me a command line command for partitioning the SSD
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From:
>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> m
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
>> Sent: Friday, 30 September 2016 9:31 AM
>> To: 
>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> m
>>> 
>> Subject: Re: Installing SSD on my mac mini, the os can not read it
>> 
>> Hello Simon and TIm:
>> after doing what Simon told me, my mac opened with Mountain lion 

Re: Leaving beta

[Ramy Moustafa]

Aha, Great, I did and now I am on 10 going to go to, thank you so much for your 
advices,

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> On Oct 3, 2016, at 9:56 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ramy,
>  
> You will need to back up your phone to your computer and itunes
> And then yes you need to wipe it completely to restore the OS to factory 
> defaults.
>  
> Once that is done you should be able to reinsall everything from your last 
> backup of your  phone
>  
> Good luck.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
> Sent: Monday, 3 October 2016 7:50 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Leaving beta
>  
> Thanks so much for this information.but must I restore my device to its 
> factory defaults and erase all my data or is there an easier way of doing 
> this? Thank you
>  
> Ramy moustafa saber
> licturer at:
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> On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:38 AM, Helga Schreiber  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ramy. How are you? Below will be the two links that will help you 
> unenrolled and to install the current update. Hope this helps. I look forward 
> in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless! 
> https://beta.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/unenroll 
> https://beta.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/restore
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> On Oct 3, 2016, at 1:53 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
>  
>  
> Hello all,
> I was 1 of the iphone beta testers but i need to leave this, because my time 
> did not allow me to test in a good way. So, how can i install the original 
> version from ios10 and recieve the updates as usual not beta versions!
> Thanks in advance
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New Macbook Air for Christmas

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello everyone.

Well just thought to let you know that for Christmas I will be treating myself 
to the new 11 inch Macbook Air with base configuration: 4 GB RAM, 1.6 GHZ 
processor with turbo boost up to over 2 GHZ, Intel Core i5, 128 GB pcie-based 
flash storage. Since I have an old, but very much usable, 13 inch Macbook Pro 
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Re: New Macbook Air for Christmas

[Portia Scott]

Aww that is so awesome. I have the base 13 inch model from 2014, and yeah, they 
are awesome. I have a feeling you will love it.

Portia.
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> 
> Well just thought to let you know that for Christmas I will be treating 
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> GHZ processor with turbo boost up to over 2 GHZ, Intel Core i5, 128 GB 
> pcie-based flash storage. Since I have an old, but very much usable, 13 inch 
> Macbook Pro this should suit me fine.
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Stop automatic update to SIerra, how?

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello all:

Now and with all your support, I installed el Capitan, and am updating
my Mac software like I tunes etc.
but I don't want my machine to be updated to Sierra, and I don't want
the appsotre to download it at all. so, is there a way to hide
updating to SIerra? or it will not download it unless I  hit the free
upgrade?
some times the VOice over can not read the name of the software that
is downloading, is it regular?



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the G Drive Mobile Thunderbolt is not working on mac mini but working on macbook pro

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello:

after dealing with Apple trade line  here, I decided to buy  a newHard
disk for recording, I bought the G drive Mobile that I can connect
through thunderbolt cable, on my MacBook pro 2015, it's working very
great.
but when I connect it to mac mini, my mac goes crazy, it stops
speaking,a dn some times I got, finder busy, finder ready, and even if
I will eject the drive, it still doing the same.
so, is this something related to my mac mini, or I should install a
drive for the thunderbolt to work?
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Re: Trillion question.

[Jeffrey Shockley]

Hello,

In my response I  wrote on October 1,  I already explained that you have 
to go into the Status Menus at the top of the screen and change it, and 
I gave instructions on how to accomplish this. Please let me know if 
anything needs clearing up, and I'll try my best to explain better.


Thanks,

Jeffrey


On 10/2/2016 8:43 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:

Ok, how do you do that?  I’ve never had to do that before.

On Oct 1, 2016, at 7:28 AM, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:

Hello,
One thing to possibly check  is to make sure your status is set to “Online” in 
the Status menu, access where all the other status menus like the time and 
Wi-Fi are. So, what you do is find the one for Trilian and VO Space on that 
one, find Online,and VO Space on that.Then, if it doesn’t reconnect, quit and 
restart the program.
I hope this helps,
Jeffrey

On Sep 30, 2016, at 8:39 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:

I’ve just recently noticed after connecting to trillion, that it just says “off 
line contacts,” and won’t show my on line contacts anymore, and I know I have 
contacts on line, because I check my messenger app on my Iphone, and have 
several on line there.  Also, I just select one at random after doing a 
right-arrow command, which pulls up everybody, which doesn’t tell me whether 
they’re on or off line, IM someone, and get lucky when someone responds, so 
obviously someone’s on line then, so I have no idea what’s going on now.  I’m 
not sure if it auto-updates, and if so, the latest update has accessibility 
issues, or what the deal is, but this just seemed to suddenly happen out of the 
blue.  Has anyone else had this issue?

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Re: New Macbook Air for Christmas

[Alex Hall]

If you can, try to get 256GB instead of 128GB. I've used a 64GB, and my sister 
currently has a 128GB. The space just isn't as much as you'd think; a couple 
movies or a season of a TV show and suddenly you're getting the "startup disk 
is almost full" warning all the time. It's just me, but I'd increase the 
storage if at all possible.
> On Oct 3, 2016, at 04:41, Portia Scott  wrote:
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> Aww that is so awesome. I have the base 13 inch model from 2014, and yeah, 
> they are awesome. I have a feeling you will love it.
> 
> Portia.
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>> Hello everyone.
>> 
>> Well just thought to let you know that for Christmas I will be treating 
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>> GHZ processor with turbo boost up to over 2 GHZ, Intel Core i5, 128 GB 
>> pcie-based flash storage. Since I have an old, but very much usable, 13 inch 
>> Macbook Pro this should suit me fine.
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Re: Stop automatic update to SIerra, how?

[David Griffith]

Unlike Windows I have never known of a Mac OS installing unless I have 
explicitly requested that I do this.



I think you will find that you will  have to search out Sierra in the 
App Store if you want to install the OS and you will need to give the 
usual passwords etc.



In short I don't think there is any risk that you install Sierra by 
mistake.


David Griffith


On 03/10/2016 10:41, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Hello all:

Now and with all your support, I installed el Capitan, and am updating
my Mac software like I tunes etc.
but I don't want my machine to be updated to Sierra, and I don't want
the appsotre to download it at all. so, is there a way to hide
updating to SIerra? or it will not download it unless I  hit the free
upgrade?
some times the VOice over can not read the name of the software that
is downloading, is it regular?





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Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

You mean the new wireless earpods?  Yeah, I could see it.
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- Original Message - 
From: "Simon Fogarty" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 3:45 AM
Subject: RE: Apple discontinuing the iPod?


Apple ear pods will work on your watch I belive.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
Gilland

Sent: Monday, 3 October 2016 10:56 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

Yeah, and the only way to then play it without an iPod, or iPhone is to have 
a set of bluetooth headphones pared to the watch.  Trust me, I learned that 
the hard way.

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- Original Message -
From: "David tanner" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?


At this point you can only store up to two gigs of music on an Apple Watch
that's not a whole lot.

Sent from my iPhone 7


On Oct 2, 2016, at 2:01 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

That's interesting.  It would absolutely never occur to me to use my Apple
Watch as a music player.  I mean, obviously it has the music app, but as I
understand it, all music would be played via connecting to the cloud, or
another device like an iPhone.  Why bother with that when you could just
store your music directly on the player?  I'm thinking about things like
long car trips here, where you might not have WIFI, and you could burn
through a lot of data if you used your data connection.  I think I'll
stick with my plan to keep an old phone as an iPod. :)
Cheers,
Donna


On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:23 PM, David Griffith 
wrote:

You may be wise. Tthe discussions I have seen is that Apple want to shift
people away from using iPod to using an Apple Watch. I have no definite
knowledge as to whether this is true but there seems speculation that
iPod development has ceased in favour of this longer term switch.


I went to the Apple Store in the UK and there is no mention of the iPod
apart from its presence in a list of products described as being in the
page "footer area".


The iPod is certainly not in the headlining products for the Store now so
it seems it has at least shifted in priorities for marketing.



David Griffith



On 02/10/2016 14:09, Dolores Myers wrote:

I have an iPod 5th gen and was thinking of buying an iPod 6th gen.  I
had been looking at Amazon but hadn’t;t bought anything yet.  After
reading this thread, I looked at Amazon and the only units they had were
from marketplace orders.  They did not seem to have any in stock to sell
directly like they did a few weeks ago.  I don’t know what this means,
but I’m not buying another iPod right now.  I refuse to buy something
that is going to be out of date in a year or two.
Dolores

On Oct 2, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Yeah, but you're assuming he doesn't know what he's talking about.
That is certainly a possibility, I'd be about the last one to put my
faith in what I hear at BestBuy, but sometimes they do know what
they're talking about.  Just saying.  We're all assuming he's wrong,
when in actuality no one on this list has concrete proof that he is.
Cheers,
Donna

On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:42 AM, christopher hallsworth
 wrote:

Yeah, we are, actually. Donna, it’s the jerk(s) at best buy we are
criticizing here. Good call here Chris 😀.

On 2 Oct 2016, at 04:11, Christopher-Mark Gilland
 wrote:

Donna, we're not criticizing you!  Far from it!  If anything, we're
criticizing the jerk at Best Buy who told you this.  Relax.  You're
not in the blame here.
---
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JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?


Chris,

Had you paid attention, you would have noticed that my subject line
contained a question mark.  One reason I brought the issue to the
attention of the list is because I figured someone here would have
better information than the guy from BestBuy.  Last I heard, asking
questions was allowed on this list.  So hold your criticism.
Donna

On Oct 1, 2016, at 2:12 PM, christopher hallsworth
 wrote:

Guys, it can’t be true, I looked at iDownloadblog and there is no
articles suggesting the iPod is going. Nobody’s fault, but whoever
is spreading rumours, on or off list, should give us some credible
sources. It’s allright saying a guy from Best Buy has said this and
that, but anybody from anywhere can make things up like that. Again,
not blaming anyone here, just offering some constructive criticism
to the list overall.

On 1 Oct 2016, at 19:30, Helga Schreiber
 wrote:

Hi guys! Really? I can't believe that apple is goign to
discont

Re: Stop automatic update to SIerra, how?

[Ramy Moustafa]

Oh, Thanks, I have never know that.
I was afraid of this.
Thanks for letting me know.


On 10/3/16, David Griffith  wrote:
> Unlike Windows I have never known of a Mac OS installing unless I have
> explicitly requested that I do this.
>
>
> I think you will find that you will  have to search out Sierra in the
> App Store if you want to install the OS and you will need to give the
> usual passwords etc.
>
>
> In short I don't think there is any risk that you install Sierra by
> mistake.
>
> David Griffith
>
>
> On 03/10/2016 10:41, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>> Hello all:
>>
>> Now and with all your support, I installed el Capitan, and am updating
>> my Mac software like I tunes etc.
>> but I don't want my machine to be updated to Sierra, and I don't want
>> the appsotre to download it at all. so, is there a way to hide
>> updating to SIerra? or it will not download it unless I  hit the free
>> upgrade?
>> some times the VOice over can not read the name of the software that
>> is downloading, is it regular?
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

[Donna Goodin]

Right, but you can't put nearly enough on the watch to make it worthwhile.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Oct 3, 2016, at 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Actually you can put music on to your watch, they have about 5 gig of space 
> available but it that is also for applications as wel.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Monday, 3 October 2016 8:02 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?
> 
> That's interesting.  It would absolutely never occur to me to use my Apple 
> Watch as a music player.  I mean, obviously it has the music app, but as I 
> understand it, all music would be played via connecting to the cloud, or 
> another device like an iPhone.  Why bother with that when you could just 
> store your music directly on the player?  I'm thinking about things like long 
> car trips here, where you might not have WIFI, and you could burn through a 
> lot of data if you used your data connection.  I think I'll stick with my 
> plan to keep an old phone as an iPod. :) Cheers, Donna
> 
>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:23 PM, David Griffith  wrote:
>> 
>> You may be wise. Tthe discussions I have seen is that Apple want to shift 
>> people away from using iPod to using an Apple Watch. I have no definite 
>> knowledge as to whether this is true but there seems speculation that iPod 
>> development has ceased in favour of this longer term switch.
>> 
>> 
>> I went to the Apple Store in the UK and there is no mention of the iPod 
>> apart from its presence in a list of products described as being in the page 
>> "footer area".
>> 
>> 
>> The iPod is certainly not in the headlining products for the Store now so it 
>> seems it has at least shifted in priorities for marketing.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> 
>> 
>> On 02/10/2016 14:09, Dolores Myers wrote:
>> 
>>> I have an iPod 5th gen and was thinking of buying an iPod 6th gen.  I had 
>>> been looking at Amazon but hadn’t;t bought anything yet.  After reading 
>>> this thread, I looked at Amazon and the only units they had were from 
>>> marketplace orders.  They did not seem to have any in stock to sell 
>>> directly like they did a few weeks ago.  I don’t know what this means, but 
>>> I’m not buying another iPod right now.  I refuse to buy something that is 
>>> going to be out of date in a year or two.
>>> Dolores
 On Oct 2, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Yeah, but you're assuming he doesn't know what he's talking about.  That 
 is certainly a possibility, I'd be about the last one to put my faith in 
 what I hear at BestBuy, but sometimes they do know what they're talking 
 about.  Just saying.  We're all assuming he's wrong, when in actuality no 
 one on this list has concrete proof that he is.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:42 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, we are, actually. Donna, it’s the jerk(s) at best buy we are 
> criticizing here. Good call here Chris 😀.
>> On 2 Oct 2016, at 04:11, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Donna, we're not criticizing you!  Far from it!  If anything, we're 
>> criticizing the jerk at Best Buy who told you this.  Relax.  You're not 
>> in the blame here.
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 3:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?
>> 
>> 
>> Chris,
>> 
>> Had you paid attention, you would have noticed that my subject line 
>> contained a question mark.  One reason I brought the issue to the 
>> attention of the list is because I figured someone here would have 
>> better information than the guy from BestBuy.  Last I heard, asking 
>> questions was allowed on this list.  So hold your criticism.
>> Donna
>>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 2:12 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Guys, it can’t be true, I looked at iDownloadblog and there is no 
>>> articles suggesting the iPod is going. Nobody’s fault, but whoever is 
>>> spreading rumours, on or off list, should give us some credible 
>>> sources. It’s allright saying a guy from Best Buy has said this and 
>>> that, but anybody from anywhere can make things up like that. Again, 
>>> not blaming anyone here, just offering some constructive criticism to 
>>> the list overall.
 On 1 Oct 2016, at 19:30, Helga Schreiber  
 wrote:
 
 Hi guys! Really? I can't believe that apple is goign to discontinued 
 the iPod touch. That really sucks since I actually bought an iPod 
 touch 6 generation  on December of last  year! I

Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

[Donna Goodin]

Simon,

Depending on what your next upgrade path is, you might want to just use an old 
iPhone, or even by one used.  If you get an iPod, it'll have the A8 chip, as 
opposed to the A10 that is in the current model.  It also won't have the W1 
chip--or whatever it's called.)  It'll also have a longer shelf life.  One 
thing that has happened to me is that the 5th gen isn't upgradable to IOS 10.  
I suspect that in a year or so, the 6th Gen will stop being upgradable as well. 
 And, not that I've ever needed it, but I figure this way I'll have a backup if 
anything happens to my phone.  I know it seems kind of like overkill, but I 
think if they're not going to update the iPod, that is the way I'm going to go.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Oct 3, 2016, at 2:44 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hell that's not enough,
> 
> I have more than that on one of my 64gig ipod touchs of audio books and 
> that's only a mear portion of what I have.
> 
> 
> I think I might look at buying a couple of 128 gig touchs 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Griffith
> Sent: Monday, 3 October 2016 9:46 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?
> 
> Apparently the speculation is that to facilitate this the Watch will increase 
> to 8  GB and beyond. Someone posted a link to this discussion earlier on the 
> thread.
> 
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> 
> On 02/10/2016 20:54, David tanner wrote:
>> At this point you can only store up to two gigs of music on an Apple Watch 
>> that's not a whole lot.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 7
>> 
>>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 2:01 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That's interesting.  It would absolutely never occur to me to use my 
>>> Apple Watch as a music player.  I mean, obviously it has the music 
>>> app, but as I understand it, all music would be played via connecting 
>>> to the cloud, or another device like an iPhone.  Why bother with that 
>>> when you could just store your music directly on the player?  I'm 
>>> thinking about things like long car trips here, where you might not 
>>> have WIFI, and you could burn through a lot of data if you used your 
>>> data connection.  I think I'll stick with my plan to keep an old 
>>> phone as an iPod. :) Cheers, Donna
>>> 
 On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:23 PM, David Griffith  wrote:
 
 You may be wise. Tthe discussions I have seen is that Apple want to shift 
 people away from using iPod to using an Apple Watch. I have no definite 
 knowledge as to whether this is true but there seems speculation that iPod 
 development has ceased in favour of this longer term switch.
 
 
 I went to the Apple Store in the UK and there is no mention of the iPod 
 apart from its presence in a list of products described as being in the 
 page "footer area".
 
 
 The iPod is certainly not in the headlining products for the Store now so 
 it seems it has at least shifted in priorities for marketing.
 
 
 
 David Griffith
 
 
> On 02/10/2016 14:09, Dolores Myers wrote:
> 
> I have an iPod 5th gen and was thinking of buying an iPod 6th gen.  I had 
> been looking at Amazon but hadn’t;t bought anything yet.  After reading 
> this thread, I looked at Amazon and the only units they had were from 
> marketplace orders.  They did not seem to have any in stock to sell 
> directly like they did a few weeks ago.  I don’t know what this means, 
> but I’m not buying another iPod right now.  I refuse to buy something 
> that is going to be out of date in a year or two.
> Dolores
>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, but you're assuming he doesn't know what he's talking about.  That 
>> is certainly a possibility, I'd be about the last one to put my faith in 
>> what I hear at BestBuy, but sometimes they do know what they're talking 
>> about.  Just saying.  We're all assuming he's wrong, when in actuality 
>> no one on this list has concrete proof that he is.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:42 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah, we are, actually. Donna, it’s the jerk(s) at best buy we are 
>>> criticizing here. Good call here Chris 😀.
 On 2 Oct 2016, at 04:11, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:
 
 Donna, we're not criticizing you!  Far from it!  If anything, we're 
 criticizing the jerk at Best Buy who told you this.  Relax.  You're 
 not in the blame here.
 ---
 Christopher Gilland
 JAWS Certified, 2016.
 Training Instructor.
 
 i...@gillandmarketing.com
 Phone: (704) 256-8010.
 - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
 
 To: 
 Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 3:22 PM
 Subject: Re: Apple

Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?

[Donna Goodin]

Right, but that's still using headphones.  Often, especially if I'm listening 
to audio books, I don't use headphones.  I wouldn't want to do that using the 
tiny speaker that's on the watch.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Oct 3, 2016, at 2:45 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Apple ear pods will work on your watch I belive.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
> Sent: Monday, 3 October 2016 10:56 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?
> 
> Yeah, and the only way to then play it without an iPod, or iPhone is to have 
> a set of bluetooth headphones pared to the watch.  Trust me, I learned that 
> the hard way.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
> i...@gillandmarketing.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message -
> From: "David tanner" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 3:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?
> 
> 
> At this point you can only store up to two gigs of music on an Apple Watch 
> that's not a whole lot.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 7
> 
>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 2:01 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> That's interesting.  It would absolutely never occur to me to use my Apple 
>> Watch as a music player.  I mean, obviously it has the music app, but as I 
>> understand it, all music would be played via connecting to the cloud, or 
>> another device like an iPhone.  Why bother with that when you could just 
>> store your music directly on the player?  I'm thinking about things like 
>> long car trips here, where you might not have WIFI, and you could burn 
>> through a lot of data if you used your data connection.  I think I'll 
>> stick with my plan to keep an old phone as an iPod. :)
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:23 PM, David Griffith  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You may be wise. Tthe discussions I have seen is that Apple want to shift 
>>> people away from using iPod to using an Apple Watch. I have no definite 
>>> knowledge as to whether this is true but there seems speculation that 
>>> iPod development has ceased in favour of this longer term switch.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I went to the Apple Store in the UK and there is no mention of the iPod 
>>> apart from its presence in a list of products described as being in the 
>>> page "footer area".
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The iPod is certainly not in the headlining products for the Store now so 
>>> it seems it has at least shifted in priorities for marketing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> David Griffith
>>> 
>>> 
 On 02/10/2016 14:09, Dolores Myers wrote:
 
 I have an iPod 5th gen and was thinking of buying an iPod 6th gen.  I 
 had been looking at Amazon but hadn’t;t bought anything yet.  After 
 reading this thread, I looked at Amazon and the only units they had were 
 from marketplace orders.  They did not seem to have any in stock to sell 
 directly like they did a few weeks ago.  I don’t know what this means, 
 but I’m not buying another iPod right now.  I refuse to buy something 
 that is going to be out of date in a year or two.
 Dolores
> On Oct 2, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, but you're assuming he doesn't know what he's talking about. 
> That is certainly a possibility, I'd be about the last one to put my 
> faith in what I hear at BestBuy, but sometimes they do know what 
> they're talking about.  Just saying.  We're all assuming he's wrong, 
> when in actuality no one on this list has concrete proof that he is.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 1:42 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, we are, actually. Donna, it’s the jerk(s) at best buy we are 
>> criticizing here. Good call here Chris 😀.
>>> On 2 Oct 2016, at 04:11, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Donna, we're not criticizing you!  Far from it!  If anything, we're 
>>> criticizing the jerk at Best Buy who told you this.  Relax.  You're 
>>> not in the blame here.
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>> 
>>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 3:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Apple discontinuing the iPod?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chris,
>>> 
>>> Had you paid attention, you would have noticed that my subject line 
>>> contained a question mark.  One reason I brought the issue to the 
>>> attention of the list is because I figured someone here would have 
>>> better information than the guy from BestBuy.  Last I heard, asking 
>>> questions was allowed on this list.  So hold your criticism.
>>> Donna
 On Oct 1, 2016, at 2:12 PM, christopher hallsworth 
  wrote:
>>>

Re: New Macbook Air for Christmas

[christopher hallsworth]

Ok thanks for advice very much appreciated.

> On 3 Oct 2016, at 11:23, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> If you can, try to get 256GB instead of 128GB. I've used a 64GB, and my 
> sister currently has a 128GB. The space just isn't as much as you'd think; a 
> couple movies or a season of a TV show and suddenly you're getting the 
> "startup disk is almost full" warning all the time. It's just me, but I'd 
> increase the storage if at all possible.
>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 04:41, Portia Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> Aww that is so awesome. I have the base 13 inch model from 2014, and yeah, 
>> they are awesome. I have a feeling you will love it.
>> 
>> Portia.
>>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 1:25 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone.
>>> 
>>> Well just thought to let you know that for Christmas I will be treating 
>>> myself to the new 11 inch Macbook Air with base configuration: 4 GB RAM, 
>>> 1.6 GHZ processor with turbo boost up to over 2 GHZ, Intel Core i5, 128 GB 
>>> pcie-based flash storage. Since I have an old, but very much usable, 13 
>>> inch Macbook Pro this should suit me fine.
>>> 
>>> 
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Is Sierra Stable Concerning VoiceOver

[Bill Gallik]

All,

I’d like to upgrade from Yosemite to Sierra but do have concerns regarding 
“Show Stopper” issues with VoiceOver.  Has there been any such serious 
VoiceOver issues?



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Re: Questions about Two-Factor authentication

[Faisal ali]

I also had a question about that. From what I know, it sends a code to another 
device that you have logged in with your apple ID. you then enter that code 
into what ever is asking to you authenticate for it to work. However, the only 
apple devices I have are my mac and iPhone. If I am not at home, and want to 
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only other apple device is not on hand?

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Re: Is Sierra Stable Concerning VoiceOver

[michael babcock]

yes it is, i’ve personally not noticed bugs in my every day use of voiceover 
and in fact find it to be more stable then previous versions of OS X

> On Oct 3, 2016, at 5:44 AM, Bill Gallik  wrote:
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> VoiceOver issues?
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Re: Is Sierra Stable Concerning VoiceOver

[-dan d.]

Just curious, why install it if what you have works?

On Mon, 3 Oct 2016, Bill Gallik wrote:


All,

I?d like to upgrade from Yosemite to Sierra but do have concerns regarding 
?Show Stopper? issues with VoiceOver.  Has there been any such serious 
VoiceOver issues?



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Re: Stop automatic update to SIerra, how?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

As mentioned, the MacOS Sierra update requires you to actually download it.  
After the initial deluge of downloads, the AppStore now has the Sierra update 
on your updates page.  You can choose to hide the update by locating the "Free 
Update" button for MacOS Sierra, then pressing VO-shift-m to bring up its 
Contextual menu, then select Hide Update.  If you'd just rather ignore it and 
leave it there for possible future consideration, this is also possible.  If 
grouping is turned on in web content areas, there will be a "MacOS Update" area 
within the Software Update screen.  If you don't interact with that grouping, 
you'll not accidentally start the upgrade process.  If web content grouping is 
not enabled, simply don't ever press on the "Free Upgrade" button.

HTH.

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On Oct 3, 2016, at 05:24, David Griffith  wrote:

Unlike Windows I have never known of a Mac OS installing unless I have 
explicitly requested that I do this.


I think you will find that you will  have to search out Sierra in the App Store 
if you want to install the OS and you will need to give the usual passwords etc.


In short I don't think there is any risk that you install Sierra by mistake.

David Griffith


On 03/10/2016 10:41, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
> Hello all:
> 
> Now and with all your support, I installed el Capitan, and am updating
> my Mac software like I tunes etc.
> but I don't want my machine to be updated to Sierra, and I don't want
> the appsotre to download it at all. so, is there a way to hide
> updating to SIerra? or it will not download it unless I  hit the free
> upgrade?
> some times the VOice over can not read the name of the software that
> is downloading, is it regular?
> 
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Re: Questions about Two-Factor authentication

[Daniel C]

I think as long as you have the code sent to a device, apple  or otherwise, it 
should not matter.

Sent from my iPhone

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> I also had a question about that. From what I know, it sends a code to 
> another device that you have logged in with your apple ID. you then enter 
> that code into what ever is asking to you authenticate for it to work. 
> However, the only apple devices I have are my mac and iPhone. If I am not at 
> home, and want to install a new app and it is asking for a code, would I be 
> out of luck since my only other apple device is not on hand?
> 
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>> Hi all! How are you all? I heard about two-factor authentication guys.  My 
>> questions are, what is two-factor authentication? And what is for? And how 
>> do I activated? I'm just wondering. I look forward in hearing form you soon. 
>> Thanks and God bless!
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Re: the G Drive Mobile Thunderbolt is not working on mac mini but working on macbook pro

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What model year is your Mac Mini again.  Some of the older Minis have the 
Thunderbolt port, but this port is only for use as a display port, therefore it 
would not be visible to the Mini.  This would be a hardware thing, thus no 
drivers would help.  You should be able to restart your Mini to get it back to 
normal behaviour.

Later...

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On Oct 3, 2016, at 03:46, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hello:

after dealing with Apple trade line  here, I decided to buy  a newHard
disk for recording, I bought the G drive Mobile that I can connect
through thunderbolt cable, on my MacBook pro 2015, it's working very
great.
but when I connect it to mac mini, my mac goes crazy, it stops
speaking,a dn some times I got, finder busy, finder ready, and even if
I will eject the drive, it still doing the same.
so, is this something related to my mac mini, or I should install a
drive for the thunderbolt to work?
Thanks


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Re: Sierra and User Name

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Hi,

No, do not change the folder name manually.  If you really can't live with it, 
there are ways of making you talk, oops, I mean that there are ways of doing 
this but you'll need to make sure that you have a good backup first.

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On Oct 2, 2016, at 20:25, E.T.  wrote:

  When I did the clean install today the user name used for the user folder was 
changed. How do I change it? Is it safe to just edit the folder name? Thanks.

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Re: Sierra and User Name

[E.T.]

   (Smiles) Its easy to make me talk, too easy sometimes.

   Well I found information to do this but since I am not totally happy 
with the Migration Assistant results, for, will start over. Perhaps then 
too, I will not bungle the user account.


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On 10/3/2016 8:43 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

No, do not change the folder name manually.  If you really can't live with it, 
there are ways of making you talk, oops, I mean that there are ways of doing 
this but you'll need to make sure that you have a good backup first.

Later..

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 2, 2016, at 20:25, E.T.  wrote:

  When I did the clean install today the user name used for the user folder was 
changed. How do I change it? Is it safe to just edit the folder name? Thanks.

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Re: the G Drive Mobile Thunderbolt is not working on mac mini but working on macbook pro

[Ramy Moustafa]

Mine is  late 2012.

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music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 3, 2016, at 5:36 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> What model year is your Mac Mini again.  Some of the older Minis have the 
> Thunderbolt port, but this port is only for use as a display port, therefore 
> it would not be visible to the Mini.  This would be a hardware thing, thus no 
> drivers would help.  You should be able to restart your Mini to get it back 
> to normal behaviour.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 3, 2016, at 03:46, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hello:
> 
> after dealing with Apple trade line  here, I decided to buy  a newHard
> disk for recording, I bought the G drive Mobile that I can connect
> through thunderbolt cable, on my MacBook pro 2015, it's working very
> great.
> but when I connect it to mac mini, my mac goes crazy, it stops
> speaking,a dn some times I got, finder busy, finder ready, and even if
> I will eject the drive, it still doing the same.
> so, is this something related to my mac mini, or I should install a
> drive for the thunderbolt to work?
> Thanks
> 
> 
> -- 
> Ramy MoustafaSaber
> Music instructor @:
> Faculty ofmusical education
> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
> Harmony Recording Studio
> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg
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Re: the G Drive Mobile Thunderbolt is not working on mac mini but working on macbook pro

[Ramy Moustafa]

And i found its espisifications

https://support.apple.com/kb/sp659?locale=en_US

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> On Oct 3, 2016, at 6:30 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Mine is  late 2012.
> 
> Ramy moustafa saber
> licturer at:
> faculty of musical education
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> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 5:36 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> What model year is your Mac Mini again.  Some of the older Minis have the 
>> Thunderbolt port, but this port is only for use as a display port, therefore 
>> it would not be visible to the Mini.  This would be a hardware thing, thus 
>> no drivers would help.  You should be able to restart your Mini to get it 
>> back to normal behaviour.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 03:46, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello:
>> 
>> after dealing with Apple trade line  here, I decided to buy  a newHard
>> disk for recording, I bought the G drive Mobile that I can connect
>> through thunderbolt cable, on my MacBook pro 2015, it's working very
>> great.
>> but when I connect it to mac mini, my mac goes crazy, it stops
>> speaking,a dn some times I got, finder busy, finder ready, and even if
>> I will eject the drive, it still doing the same.
>> so, is this something related to my mac mini, or I should install a
>> drive for the thunderbolt to work?
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Ramy MoustafaSaber
>> Music instructor @:
>> Faculty ofmusical education
>> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
>> Harmony Recording Studio
>> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg
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Re: the G Drive Mobile Thunderbolt is not working on mac mini but working on macbook pro

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

When looking at https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT202638 
 which explains all the ports on the 
Input/Output panel on the back of your Mini, it looks to me that the 
Thunderbolt port on that model of Mini is only for display port purposes, not 
for drive support.

Sorry.

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 3, 2016, at 10:39, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

And i found its espisifications

https://support.apple.com/kb/sp659?locale=en_US 


Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 3, 2016, at 6:30 PM, Ramy Moustafa mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:

> Mine is  late 2012.
> 
> Ramy moustafa saber
> licturer at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 5:36 PM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> What model year is your Mac Mini again.  Some of the older Minis have the 
>> Thunderbolt port, but this port is only for use as a display port, therefore 
>> it would not be visible to the Mini.  This would be a hardware thing, thus 
>> no drivers would help.  You should be able to restart your Mini to get it 
>> back to normal behaviour.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 03:46, Ramy Moustafa > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello:
>> 
>> after dealing with Apple trade line  here, I decided to buy  a newHard
>> disk for recording, I bought the G drive Mobile that I can connect
>> through thunderbolt cable, on my MacBook pro 2015, it's working very
>> great.
>> but when I connect it to mac mini, my mac goes crazy, it stops
>> speaking,a dn some times I got, finder busy, finder ready, and even if
>> I will eject the drive, it still doing the same.
>> so, is this something related to my mac mini, or I should install a
>> drive for the thunderbolt to work?
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Ramy MoustafaSaber
>> Music instructor @:
>> Faculty ofmusical education
>> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
>> Harmony Recording Studio
>> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg 
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Re: the G Drive Mobile Thunderbolt is not working on mac mini but working on macbook pro

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Upon further investigation at 
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/mac-mini-aluminum-unibody-faq/differences-between-late-2012-mac-mini-mid-2011-mac-mini-aluminum.html
 
,
 I may have been hasty in my assessment.  It looks like your Mini should handle 
the drive.  So, I'm wondering if the Mini is trying to index the external drive 
for Spotlight purposes and the Mini is taxed a little while this is happening.  
Try plugging in the drive at night before going to bed, and leave it plugged in 
all night.  Allow the Mini to do whatever it needs done while you're sleeping 
and see if it is behaving better in the morning.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 3, 2016, at 10:42, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

When looking at https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT202638 
 which explains all the ports on the 
Input/Output panel on the back of your Mini, it looks to me that the 
Thunderbolt port on that model of Mini is only for display port purposes, not 
for drive support.

Sorry.

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 3, 2016, at 10:39, Ramy Moustafa mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:

And i found its espisifications

https://support.apple.com/kb/sp659?locale=en_US 


Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
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music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 3, 2016, at 6:30 PM, Ramy Moustafa mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:

> Mine is  late 2012.
> 
> Ramy moustafa saber
> licturer at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 5:36 PM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> What model year is your Mac Mini again.  Some of the older Minis have the 
>> Thunderbolt port, but this port is only for use as a display port, therefore 
>> it would not be visible to the Mini.  This would be a hardware thing, thus 
>> no drivers would help.  You should be able to restart your Mini to get it 
>> back to normal behaviour.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 03:46, Ramy Moustafa > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello:
>> 
>> after dealing with Apple trade line  here, I decided to buy  a newHard
>> disk for recording, I bought the G drive Mobile that I can connect
>> through thunderbolt cable, on my MacBook pro 2015, it's working very
>> great.
>> but when I connect it to mac mini, my mac goes crazy, it stops
>> speaking,a dn some times I got, finder busy, finder ready, and even if
>> I will eject the drive, it still doing the same.
>> so, is this something related to my mac mini, or I should install a
>> drive for the thunderbolt to work?
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Ramy MoustafaSaber
>> Music instructor @:
>> Faculty ofmusical education
>> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
>> Harmony Recording Studio
>> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg 
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Re: Is Sierra Stable Concerning VoiceOver

[christopher hallsworth]

Same here. Best release since at most Mavericks.
> On 3 Oct 2016, at 15:41, michael babcock  wrote:
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> yes it is, i’ve personally not noticed bugs in my every day use of voiceover 
> and in fact find it to be more stable then previous versions of OS X
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 5:44 AM, Bill Gallik  wrote:
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>> All,
>> 
>> I’d like to upgrade from Yosemite to Sierra but do have concerns regarding 
>> “Show Stopper” issues with VoiceOver.  Has there been any such serious 
>> VoiceOver issues?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Bill & Leader Dog Holland
>> - "The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty sure 
>> they are going to have some pretty  annoying virtues."
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Re: New Macbook Air for Christmas

[christopher hallsworth]

Screen size doesn’t bother me since I am a full time VoiceOver user. My Macbook 
Pro is 13 inches anyway so don’t need another 13 inch mac at this time.
> On 3 Oct 2016, at 09:41, Portia Scott  wrote:
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> Aww that is so awesome. I have the base 13 inch model from 2014, and yeah, 
> they are awesome. I have a feeling you will love it.
> 
> Portia.
>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 1:25 AM, christopher hallsworth  
>> wrote:
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>> Hello everyone.
>> 
>> Well just thought to let you know that for Christmas I will be treating 
>> myself to the new 11 inch Macbook Air with base configuration: 4 GB RAM, 1.6 
>> GHZ processor with turbo boost up to over 2 GHZ, Intel Core i5, 128 GB 
>> pcie-based flash storage. Since I have an old, but very much usable, 13 inch 
>> Macbook Pro this should suit me fine.
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Re: Questions about Two-Factor authentication

[christopher hallsworth]

Ok so two factor authentication uses both your password and a code sent to one 
of your trusted devices to sign into your Apple ID from a new device, to make 
changes to your Apple ID over at
appleid.apple.com
or you use the services over at
www.icloud.com
this replaces the security questions you are asked for when two factor 
authentication is turned off. With both the password and a unique code being 
required to sign in, this protects the data on your account, as well as your 
account overall, from being compromised.




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Re: Dash vs Minus

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

You could also set up a keyboard shortcut for this.  If you open the Emoji & 
Symbols dialog with cmd-ctrl-space, enter a dash in the Search field, then you 
should be able to locate the Math symbol for "⁻" (minus).  Now, in the Text tab 
of the Keyboard System Preferences, create a substitution.  For example, you 
could set it to always substitute the "⁻" sign when you type some combination 
of characters such as m s g n.

Later...

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On Oct 2, 2016, at 17:33, E.T.  wrote:

  Ahh just like the alt key in Windows. Thanks for this. I will find the list 
of those codes  This will be useful.

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On 10/2/2016 11:53 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
> Well, UNICODE 2122 is apparently the minus sign. Not only is there a minus 
> sign but a special one for making negative numbers as opposed to positive 
> numbers.
> 
> There is some way in the international or keyboard settings to input UNICODE 
> minus as option held down while typing 2212. Also, if you go into 
> edit->emotes and symbols (command-control-space on my system), you can search 
> for minus.
> 
> There are actually UNICODE symbols for all of the recycle categories too! 
> What fun we could have.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2016, at 11:27 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  This I want to find out as well. I may be too picky but I think its worth 
>> the effort to find out.
>> 
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>> On 9/30/2016 4:51 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
>>> I'm sure there is a code for -. I wonder what would happen if you type it 
>>> in Nemeth math. Or perhaps we can find the unicode code online? What does 
>>> ww.demos.com calculator say and proeuce?
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
 On Sep 30, 2016, at 5:01 AM, David Chittenden  
 wrote:
 
 The dash and the minus are two names for the same symbol. It is the same 
 as number sign, pound, and hash for the specific symbol..
 
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> On 30/09/2016, at 17:51, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> That should work but that would be global wouldn't it? Normally pne would 
> not notice a difference in print but using Voiceover, when numbers are 
> involved, dash would not do. And when not using numbers, minus would not 
> be good.
> 
> So I am curious if there is an actual difference in typing the two 
> characters? Thanks much.
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>> On 9/29/2016 9:44 PM, michael babcock wrote:
>> go to the VO utility Select “Speech”, then “Pronunciation”.
>> Click add, and put a “-“ in place for the “text” and “minus” in place 
>> for the Substitution
>> note, i had to press “vo+Space” on the “Substitution” color in the table 
>> then type the word “minus” using voiceover 7 in OS X 10.12.
>> hope that helps
>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 9:34 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can one type a minus character so that Voiceover speaks 'minus' and not 
>>> 'dash'?
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Siri and research

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello everyone.

For the purposes to see if Siri on the mac would work for things like asking 
how to cook a meal, something Hannah does very frequently, it worked like a 
charm. But lol! The voice output faded into obscurity towards the end. Not sure 
why but anyway. You just interact with the various cards that appears on 
screen, such as web search. You can even pin to the notification centre so that 
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Re: Siri and research

[Hannah]

HI Chris oh wow sounds awsum .

On 03/10/2016 19:07, christopher hallsworth wrote:

Hello everyone.

For the purposes to see if Siri on the mac would work for things like asking 
how to cook a meal, something Hannah does very frequently, it worked like a 
charm. But lol! The voice output faded into obscurity towards the end. Not sure 
why but anyway. You just interact with the various cards that appears on 
screen, such as web search. You can even pin to the notification centre so that 
you can just refer to that instead of keep asking Siri the same question all 
the while. So yes, you can definitely ask Siri a question, just like you can on 
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Re: Siri and research

[christopher hallsworth]

Yes especially pinning your results to the notification centre, something that 
can’t be done with Siri on any other platform at this time.
> On 3 Oct 2016, at 19:09, Hannah  wrote:
> 
> HI Chris oh wow sounds awsum .
> 
> On 03/10/2016 19:07, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>> Hello everyone.
>> 
>> For the purposes to see if Siri on the mac would work for things like asking 
>> how to cook a meal, something Hannah does very frequently, it worked like a 
>> charm. But lol! The voice output faded into obscurity towards the end. Not 
>> sure why but anyway. You just interact with the various cards that appears 
>> on screen, such as web search. You can even pin to the notification centre 
>> so that you can just refer to that instead of keep asking Siri the same 
>> question all the while. So yes, you can definitely ask Siri a question, just 
>> like you can on iOS.
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Re: Is Sierra Stable Concerning VoiceOver

[Shawn Krasniuk]

It depends on what Mac you have. If you have a 2010 Mac and if it's a must that 
you use Alex, I don't recommend updating to Sierra. There's a major bug at 
present that Alex crashes Voiceover and you need to restart your computer with 
the power button. But if you have a newer Mac or you don't necessarily need to 
use Alex, I'd say go ahead. It's pretty stable.

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> On Oct 3, 2016, at 7:44 AM, Bill Gallik  wrote:
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> All,
> 
> I’d like to upgrade from Yosemite to Sierra but do have concerns regarding 
> “Show Stopper” issues with VoiceOver.  Has there been any such serious 
> VoiceOver issues?
> 
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Re: hyperlinks in PDF

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Hi Paul,

This does work for me.  The problem is though, that VO does not recognize, or 
at least announce, that it is indeed a HyperLink.  So, after exporting to pdf 
from Pages, interact with the text area of the pdf and locate the link.  If you 
physically click the mouse/Trackpad or use the VO-shift-space to invoke the 
simulated mouse-click, you should be immediately taken to Safari, or whatever 
browser is the default, to the desired page.  VO is just not telling you that 
it is a link.  I suspect that the sighted user sees the coloured link and 
simply clicks on it.  This would be a deficiency with VO and Preview and should 
be reported to Apple Accessibility.

Later...

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On Oct 2, 2016, at 13:22, Paul Hopewell  wrote:

Hello, 
I am running the latest El Capitan on my iMac. I have a pages document which 
contains hyperlinks which work fine in pages with VoiceOver saying “Link” 
before each hyperlink. Alas when I export this file to PDF Preview does not 
seem to recognise the hyperlinks. From web research this conversion ought to 
work OK. 

Do hyperlinks work in PDF documents under Preview for anyone? If so can you 
please point me to such a PDF document. 

Many thanks….

Paul Hopewell 

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Re: Dash vs Minus

[E.T.]

   What led me to start this topic is that I noticed some shortcomings 
in Checkbook Pro. When I knew there were some entries with negative 
numbers, I was not hearing the indicator. So I changed the punctuation 
verbosity level from some to most and VO then spoke those entries with 
'dash'.


   So Jonathan pointed me to the same place and change the 
substitution. That works but if I leave the punctuation verbosity level 
set to most I get too much.


   I experimented in a document and it was nice to see how this works. 
I will run this by the developer too and see if if a change can be made 
there so I can keep the level set to some.


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On 10/3/2016 11:05 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

You could also set up a keyboard shortcut for this.  If you open the Emoji & Symbols dialog with 
cmd-ctrl-space, enter a dash in the Search field, then you should be able to locate the Math symbol for 
"⁻" (minus).  Now, in the Text tab of the Keyboard System Preferences, create a substitution. 
 For example, you could set it to always substitute the "⁻" sign when you type some 
combination of characters such as m s g n.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 2, 2016, at 17:33, E.T.  wrote:

  Ahh just like the alt key in Windows. Thanks for this. I will find the list 
of those codes  This will be useful.

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On 10/2/2016 11:53 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

Well, UNICODE 2122 is apparently the minus sign. Not only is there a minus sign 
but a special one for making negative numbers as opposed to positive numbers.

There is some way in the international or keyboard settings to input UNICODE minus 
as option held down while typing 2212. Also, if you go into edit->emotes and 
symbols (command-control-space on my system), you can search for minus.

There are actually UNICODE symbols for all of the recycle categories too! What 
fun we could have.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn




On Sep 30, 2016, at 11:27 AM, E.T.  wrote:

 This I want to find out as well. I may be too picky but I think its worth the 
effort to find out.

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On 9/30/2016 4:51 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:

I'm sure there is a code for -. I wonder what would happen if you type it in 
Nemeth math. Or perhaps we can find the unicode code online? What does 
ww.demos.com calculator say and proeuce?

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On Sep 30, 2016, at 5:01 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:

The dash and the minus are two names for the same symbol. It is the same as 
number sign, pound, and hash for the specific symbol..

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On 30/09/2016, at 17:51, E.T.  wrote:

That should work but that would be global wouldn't it? Normally pne would not 
notice a difference in print but using Voiceover, when numbers are involved, 
dash would not do. And when not using numbers, minus would not be good.

So I am curious if there is an actual difference in typing the two characters? 
Thanks much.

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On 9/29/2016 9:44 PM, michael babcock wrote:
go to the VO utility Select “Speech”, then “Pronunciation”.
Click add, and put a “-“ in place for the “text” and “minus” in place for the 
Substitution
note, i had to press “vo+Space” on the “Substitution” color in the table then 
type the word “minus” using voiceover 7 in OS X 10.12.
hope that helps

On Sep 29, 2016, at 9:34 PM, E.T.  wrote:

Can one type a minus character so that Voiceover speaks 'minus' and not 'dash'?

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mini disk

[Jean]

Hi Chris:

The mini-disk machines sure do have a nice clean signal compared with some of 
the inexpensive digital recorders. If you want to use it as a recorder and can 
not figure out how to either use it as an external drive or transfer the files 
via USB to your computer, I would upload in real time by patching from the 
audio output of the recorder into either an external sound card or directly 
into the audio input of your computer and do all of the editing on the computer 
with your audio editor of choice. You will have to monitor your levels 
throughout the upload process to make sure nothing goes to hot. I had to do 
this when I digitized  my mini-disk arkives several years ago and it is 
time-consuming.

Jean
 
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Re: Dash vs Minus

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi ET,
How about setting up a vo activity for your financial app?
I've done this in pro tools and it helps much. :)
It would be nice just to have vo say minus or negative with out all the other 
verbosity stuff though.
Talk soon
Chuck

On Oct 3, 2016, at 2:51 PM, E.T. wrote:

>   What led me to start this topic is that I noticed some shortcomings in 
> Checkbook Pro. When I knew there were some entries with negative numbers, I 
> was not hearing the indicator. So I changed the punctuation verbosity level 
> from some to most and VO then spoke those entries with 'dash'.
> 
>   So Jonathan pointed me to the same place and change the substitution. That 
> works but if I leave the punctuation verbosity level set to most I get too 
> much.
> 
>   I experimented in a document and it was nice to see how this works. I will 
> run this by the developer too and see if if a change can be made there so I 
> can keep the level set to some.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> 
> On 10/3/2016 11:05 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> You could also set up a keyboard shortcut for this.  If you open the Emoji & 
>> Symbols dialog with cmd-ctrl-space, enter a dash in the Search field, then 
>> you should be able to locate the Math symbol for "⁻" (minus).  Now, in the 
>> Text tab of the Keyboard System Preferences, create a substitution.  For 
>> example, you could set it to always substitute the "⁻" sign when you type 
>> some combination of characters such as m s g n.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 17:33, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  Ahh just like the alt key in Windows. Thanks for this. I will find the list 
>> of those codes  This will be useful.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>> 
>> On 10/2/2016 11:53 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>>> Well, UNICODE 2122 is apparently the minus sign. Not only is there a minus 
>>> sign but a special one for making negative numbers as opposed to positive 
>>> numbers.
>>> 
>>> There is some way in the international or keyboard settings to input 
>>> UNICODE minus as option held down while typing 2212. Also, if you go into 
>>> edit->emotes and symbols (command-control-space on my system), you can 
>>> search for minus.
>>> 
>>> There are actually UNICODE symbols for all of the recycle categories too! 
>>> What fun we could have.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 30, 2016, at 11:27 AM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 This I want to find out as well. I may be too picky but I think its worth 
 the effort to find out.
 
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 On 9/30/2016 4:51 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
> I'm sure there is a code for -. I wonder what would happen if you type it 
> in Nemeth math. Or perhaps we can find the unicode code online? What does 
> ww.demos.com calculator say and proeuce?
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2016, at 5:01 AM, David Chittenden  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The dash and the minus are two names for the same symbol. It is the same 
>> as number sign, pound, and hash for the specific symbol..
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 30/09/2016, at 17:51, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That should work but that would be global wouldn't it? Normally pne 
>>> would not notice a difference in print but using Voiceover, when 
>>> numbers are involved, dash would not do. And when not using numbers, 
>>> minus would not be good.
>>> 
>>> So I am curious if there is an actual difference in typing the two 
>>> characters? Thanks much.
>>> 
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>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 9/29/2016 9:44 PM, michael babcock wrote:
 go to the VO utility Select “Speech”, then “Pronunciation”.
 Click add, and put a “-“ in place for the “text” and “minus” in place 
 for the Substitution
 note, i had to press “vo+Space” on the “Substitution” color in the 
 table then type the word “minus” using voiceover 7 in OS X 10.12.
 hope that helps
> On Sep 29, 2016, at 9:34 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Can one type a minus character so that Voiceover speaks 'minus' and 
> not 'dash'?
> 
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Re: Is Sierra Stable Concerning VoiceOver

[John Panarese]

   What bug is this with Alex? I use Alex all of the time and I’ve never had a 
crash. Is this specific to older models of the Mac?


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> On Oct 3, 2016, at 2:32 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> It depends on what Mac you have. If you have a 2010 Mac and if it's a must 
> that you use Alex, I don't recommend updating to Sierra. There's a major bug 
> at present that Alex crashes Voiceover and you need to restart your computer 
> with the power button. But if you have a newer Mac or you don't necessarily 
> need to use Alex, I'd say go ahead. It's pretty stable.
> 
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>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 7:44 AM, Bill Gallik  wrote:
>> 
>> All,
>> 
>> I’d like to upgrade from Yosemite to Sierra but do have concerns regarding 
>> “Show Stopper” issues with VoiceOver.  Has there been any such serious 
>> VoiceOver issues?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Bill & Leader Dog Holland
>> - "The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty sure 
>> they are going to have some pretty  annoying virtues."
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Emailing a Twitter account

[Angus MacKinnon]

I have a 2013 iMac with OS 10.11.6 and not a twitter user. Their is a Twitter 
accountt that I would like to send a message to. Is it possible to send an 
email to? Or do I need to be a Twitter user to send a message to a Twitter 
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> email to? Or do I need to be a Twitter user to send a message to a Twitter 
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Re: mini disk

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Gene,

Thanks for the reply, but I think you misunderstood my question.

I'm not trying to transfer minidisks to! my mac.  I'm trying to go the other 
way.  I'm trying to go from the mac to! minidisk.  Might I add, that I'm 
totally familiar with monitorring levels and patching things via line in and 
such.  I'm a professional audio producer for a living/engineer, so I work 
with very high end studio gear every day like a 64 channel board, ProTools, 
several different hardware pres, etc.  Anyway, the problem is more in I want 
to be able to locate mp3's on my system, then via USB quickly in offline 
renderization, transfer/bounce them down to minidisk digitally over USB. 
Apparently, there used to be software to do this task,  but I couldn't find 
it anywhere online.


The problem is, I could transfer with a stereo patch cable, but that would 
only be an annalog signal, not digital, whereas USB would be a direct 
transfer.  OK, if it was an mp3, then obviously some mp3 loss artifacts will 
be applied, but that's just the nature of the beast, seeing mp3's are 
already compressed, but the point is, I'd still like to be able to get my 
library transferred over to mini disk media digitally with this unit.


You're probably asking, why not just put it on your IPhone?  I have, and 
there is absolutely no objection to me doing that.  I just like having the 
stuff on minidisk kind a for the old school novelty of it.  It's more just, 
I do it, why?  Because I can.  LOL!


The other thing though is deleting tracks individually off of the disks when 
I'm ready to reuse them.  Seeing I can't see the menus on the device itself, 
it makes it tough.  This is why I was hoping if not to find something like 
Sonic Stage, or OpenMG Jukebox, I could find something else for the mac that 
would at least be accessible with Voiceover enough to the point I could 
erase certain tracks off the disks.  If I can't transfer via USB, then OK, 
fine, I can live with that.  I'll just use line in.  It won't be ideal, but 
it'll still work, at the end of the day.  What I can't! however deal with is 
not being able to erase things off the media.  That's a bit of a 
dealbreaker.


Anyway, hope this makes more sense, and explains more why I'm really seeking 
some software, even if 3rd party, that would be mac cimpatible and at least 
accessible enough to accomplish this.


I  should add for the more techies on here, this unit does use NetMB so, 
that makes it a little harder.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Jean" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 3:00 PM
Subject: mini disk


Hi Chris:

The mini-disk machines sure do have a nice clean signal compared with some 
of the inexpensive digital recorders. If you want to use it as a recorder 
and can not figure out how to either use it as an external drive or transfer 
the files via USB to your computer, I would upload in real time by patching 
from the audio output of the recorder into either an external sound card or 
directly into the audio input of your computer and do all of the editing on 
the computer with your audio editor of choice. You will have to monitor your 
levels throughout the upload process to make sure nothing goes to hot. I had 
to do this when I digitized  my mini-disk arkives several years ago and it 
is time-consuming.


Jean

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Trans4m Center For Integral Development
Geneva, Switzerland

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Re: mini disk

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi 
I have 3 sony mini disc sitting in my rack in the studio collecting dust! :)
I'll make this short.
Its not worth the time because the quality is not there!
We use to use them for live shows back in the day! but the technology  has gone 
by the way side.
Contact me off list if you want the full story.
Talk soon
Chuck

On Oct 3, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

> Gene,
> 
> Thanks for the reply, but I think you misunderstood my question.
> 
> I'm not trying to transfer minidisks to! my mac.  I'm trying to go the other 
> way.  I'm trying to go from the mac to! minidisk.  Might I add, that I'm 
> totally familiar with monitorring levels and patching things via line in and 
> such.  I'm a professional audio producer for a living/engineer, so I work 
> with very high end studio gear every day like a 64 channel board, ProTools, 
> several different hardware pres, etc.  Anyway, the problem is more in I want 
> to be able to locate mp3's on my system, then via USB quickly in offline 
> renderization, transfer/bounce them down to minidisk digitally over USB. 
> Apparently, there used to be software to do this task,  but I couldn't find 
> it anywhere online.
> 
> The problem is, I could transfer with a stereo patch cable, but that would 
> only be an annalog signal, not digital, whereas USB would be a direct 
> transfer.  OK, if it was an mp3, then obviously some mp3 loss artifacts will 
> be applied, but that's just the nature of the beast, seeing mp3's are already 
> compressed, but the point is, I'd still like to be able to get my library 
> transferred over to mini disk media digitally with this unit.
> 
> You're probably asking, why not just put it on your IPhone?  I have, and 
> there is absolutely no objection to me doing that.  I just like having the 
> stuff on minidisk kind a for the old school novelty of it.  It's more just, I 
> do it, why?  Because I can.  LOL!
> 
> The other thing though is deleting tracks individually off of the disks when 
> I'm ready to reuse them.  Seeing I can't see the menus on the device itself, 
> it makes it tough.  This is why I was hoping if not to find something like 
> Sonic Stage, or OpenMG Jukebox, I could find something else for the mac that 
> would at least be accessible with Voiceover enough to the point I could erase 
> certain tracks off the disks.  If I can't transfer via USB, then OK, fine, I 
> can live with that.  I'll just use line in.  It won't be ideal, but it'll 
> still work, at the end of the day.  What I can't! however deal with is not 
> being able to erase things off the media.  That's a bit of a dealbreaker.
> 
> Anyway, hope this makes more sense, and explains more why I'm really seeking 
> some software, even if 3rd party, that would be mac cimpatible and at least 
> accessible enough to accomplish this.
> 
> I  should add for the more techies on here, this unit does use NetMB so, that 
> makes it a little harder.
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> - Original Message - From: "Jean" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 3:00 PM
> Subject: mini disk
> 
> 
> Hi Chris:
> 
> The mini-disk machines sure do have a nice clean signal compared with some of 
> the inexpensive digital recorders. If you want to use it as a recorder and 
> can not figure out how to either use it as an external drive or transfer the 
> files via USB to your computer, I would upload in real time by patching from 
> the audio output of the recorder into either an external sound card or 
> directly into the audio input of your computer and do all of the editing on 
> the computer with your audio editor of choice. You will have to monitor your 
> levels throughout the upload process to make sure nothing goes to hot. I had 
> to do this when I digitized  my mini-disk arkives several years ago and it is 
> time-consuming.
> 
> Jean
> 
> Dr. Jean Parker, Ph.D.
> Senior Research Fellow
> Trans4m Center For Integral Development
> Geneva, Switzerland
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Re: mini disk

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Chuck, you wrote this on list, therefore, I'm gonna keep it on list.  With 
all due respect, I didn't ask if it was worth the time.  I have certain 
reasons why I need to be able to use these recorders.  I can't really go 
into much on nor off list due to company confidentiality, but regardless if 
they are worth time, I need it for a part time job which I'm now involved 
with.  I didn't say I necessarily agree with the client's opinion, but this 
is the media they want their final mix on, so if I want the money, then I 
find a way to get it done, end of story.  Plus, if someone was nice enough 
to donate this unit to me at no cost at all, then don't you think it's fair 
that I at least give a reasonable try to get it working, rather than just 
putting it in a drawer and never using it?  That would be extremely rude!

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- Original Message - 
From: "CHUCK REICHEL" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: mini disk


Hi
I have 3 sony mini disc sitting in my rack in the studio collecting dust! :)
I'll make this short.
Its not worth the time because the quality is not there!
We use to use them for live shows back in the day! but the technology  has 
gone by the way side.

Contact me off list if you want the full story.
Talk soon
Chuck

On Oct 3, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:


Gene,

Thanks for the reply, but I think you misunderstood my question.

I'm not trying to transfer minidisks to! my mac.  I'm trying to go the 
other way.  I'm trying to go from the mac to! minidisk.  Might I add, that 
I'm totally familiar with monitorring levels and patching things via line 
in and such.  I'm a professional audio producer for a living/engineer, so 
I work with very high end studio gear every day like a 64 channel board, 
ProTools, several different hardware pres, etc.  Anyway, the problem is 
more in I want to be able to locate mp3's on my system, then via USB 
quickly in offline renderization, transfer/bounce them down to minidisk 
digitally over USB. Apparently, there used to be software to do this task, 
but I couldn't find it anywhere online.


The problem is, I could transfer with a stereo patch cable, but that would 
only be an annalog signal, not digital, whereas USB would be a direct 
transfer.  OK, if it was an mp3, then obviously some mp3 loss artifacts 
will be applied, but that's just the nature of the beast, seeing mp3's are 
already compressed, but the point is, I'd still like to be able to get my 
library transferred over to mini disk media digitally with this unit.


You're probably asking, why not just put it on your IPhone?  I have, and 
there is absolutely no objection to me doing that.  I just like having the 
stuff on minidisk kind a for the old school novelty of it.  It's more 
just, I do it, why?  Because I can.  LOL!


The other thing though is deleting tracks individually off of the disks 
when I'm ready to reuse them.  Seeing I can't see the menus on the device 
itself, it makes it tough.  This is why I was hoping if not to find 
something like Sonic Stage, or OpenMG Jukebox, I could find something else 
for the mac that would at least be accessible with Voiceover enough to the 
point I could erase certain tracks off the disks.  If I can't transfer via 
USB, then OK, fine, I can live with that.  I'll just use line in.  It 
won't be ideal, but it'll still work, at the end of the day.  What I 
can't! however deal with is not being able to erase things off the media. 
That's a bit of a dealbreaker.


Anyway, hope this makes more sense, and explains more why I'm really 
seeking some software, even if 3rd party, that would be mac cimpatible and 
at least accessible enough to accomplish this.


I  should add for the more techies on here, this unit does use NetMB so, 
that makes it a little harder.

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- Original Message - From: "Jean" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 3:00 PM
Subject: mini disk


Hi Chris:

The mini-disk machines sure do have a nice clean signal compared with some 
of the inexpensive digital recorders. If you want to use it as a recorder 
and can not figure out how to either use it as an external drive or 
transfer the files via USB to your computer, I would upload in real time 
by patching from the audio output of the recorder into either an external 
sound card or directly into the audio input of your computer and do all of 
the editing on the computer with your audio editor of choice. You will 
have to monitor your levels throughout the upload process to make sure 
nothing goes to hot. I had to do this when I digitized  my mini-disk 
arkives several years ago and it is time-consuming.


Jean

Dr. Jean Parker, Ph.D.
Senior Research Fellow
Trans4m Center For Integral Development
Geneva, Switzerland

Re: mini disk

[Karen Lewellen]

Chris,
does the mini disc unit you are using  have a USB port?
By contrast does our mac have both line in and line out jacks, and the mini 
disc  have both ports?
I ask because I use mini disks regularly as a reporter and move content 
back and forth for editing.  I am not sure  why your transfer would be 
mono, forgive me if I am missing a step.  Additionally, audacity might? 
have a transfer option for you.
Again I am sorry if I am missing something critical here, but personally 
no technology that translates into income falls by the way side smiles.
Chuck our media organization might just take those units off your 
hands...shame to waste perfectly functional equipment.

Karen


On Mon, 3 Oct 2016, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Chuck, you wrote this on list, therefore, I'm gonna keep it on list.  With 
all due respect, I didn't ask if it was worth the time.  I have certain 
reasons why I need to be able to use these recorders.  I can't really go into 
much on nor off list due to company confidentiality, but regardless if they 
are worth time, I need it for a part time job which I'm now involved with.  I 
didn't say I necessarily agree with the client's opinion, but this is the 
media they want their final mix on, so if I want the money, then I find a way 
to get it done, end of story.  Plus, if someone was nice enough to donate 
this unit to me at no cost at all, then don't you think it's fair that I at 
least give a reasonable try to get it working, rather than just putting it in 
a drawer and never using it?  That would be extremely rude!

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- Original Message - From: "CHUCK REICHEL" 


To: 
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: mini disk


Hi
I have 3 sony mini disc sitting in my rack in the studio collecting dust! :)
I'll make this short.
Its not worth the time because the quality is not there!
We use to use them for live shows back in the day! but the technology  has 
gone by the way side.

Contact me off list if you want the full story.
Talk soon
Chuck

On Oct 3, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:


 Gene,

 Thanks for the reply, but I think you misunderstood my question.

 I'm not trying to transfer minidisks to! my mac.  I'm trying to go the
 other way.  I'm trying to go from the mac to! minidisk.  Might I add, that
 I'm totally familiar with monitorring levels and patching things via line
 in and such.  I'm a professional audio producer for a living/engineer, so
 I work with very high end studio gear every day like a 64 channel board,
 ProTools, several different hardware pres, etc.  Anyway, the problem is
 more in I want to be able to locate mp3's on my system, then via USB
 quickly in offline renderization, transfer/bounce them down to minidisk
 digitally over USB. Apparently, there used to be software to do this task,
 but I couldn't find it anywhere online.

 The problem is, I could transfer with a stereo patch cable, but that would
 only be an annalog signal, not digital, whereas USB would be a direct
 transfer.  OK, if it was an mp3, then obviously some mp3 loss artifacts
 will be applied, but that's just the nature of the beast, seeing mp3's are
 already compressed, but the point is, I'd still like to be able to get my
 library transferred over to mini disk media digitally with this unit.

 You're probably asking, why not just put it on your IPhone?  I have, and
 there is absolutely no objection to me doing that.  I just like having the
 stuff on minidisk kind a for the old school novelty of it.  It's more
 just, I do it, why?  Because I can.  LOL!

 The other thing though is deleting tracks individually off of the disks
 when I'm ready to reuse them.  Seeing I can't see the menus on the device
 itself, it makes it tough.  This is why I was hoping if not to find
 something like Sonic Stage, or OpenMG Jukebox, I could find something else
 for the mac that would at least be accessible with Voiceover enough to the
 point I could erase certain tracks off the disks.  If I can't transfer via
 USB, then OK, fine, I can live with that.  I'll just use line in.  It
 won't be ideal, but it'll still work, at the end of the day.  What I
 can't! however deal with is not being able to erase things off the media.
 That's a bit of a dealbreaker.

 Anyway, hope this makes more sense, and explains more why I'm really
 seeking some software, even if 3rd party, that would be mac cimpatible and
 at least accessible enough to accomplish this.

 I  should add for the more techies on here, this unit does use NetMB so,
 that makes it a little harder.
 ---
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 JAWS Certified, 2016.
 Training Instructor.

 i...@gillandmarketing.com
 Phone: (704) 256-8010.
 - Original Message - From: "Jean" 
 To: 
 Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 3:00 PM
 Subject: mini disk


 Hi Chris:

 The mini-disk machines sure do have a nice clean signal compared wit

Trouble with iTunes since latest update

[Stacey Robinson]

Hi all,
I am unable to access iTunes on my iPhone six since the latest update.
I tried getting on with cellular data while in town and that worked.
I cannot access it with my wifi so far.
Has anyone else had this problem?

Peace,  
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Re: Trouble with iTunes since latest update

[Stacey Robinson]

I’m replying to myself.
I’m thinking that this must be something weird going on because I can’t connect 
with my mac either.

Peace,  
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mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

> On Oct 3, 2016, at 3:37 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I am unable to access iTunes on my iPhone six since the latest update.
> I tried getting on with cellular data while in town and that worked.
> I cannot access it with my wifi so far.
> Has anyone else had this problem?
> 
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Re: mini disk

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Chuck, I agree with Kerin.  I'd even be willing to purchase one of them, if 
you make me a good price off list.


Kerin, as for your questions, I said multiple times, no hard feelings 
intended, as you said, you may a nimssed this factor.  Yes, it has USB. 
That's kind of the whole point of this discussion.  I cannot find software 
that will let me digitally transfer the audio from the mp3's on my system 
over to the minidisks.


Secondly, I never said that the recording would be mono.  You misread.  What 
I said was, it would be an annalog signal, not digital.  If you're using a 
3.5 to 3.5 mm patch cable, running form the line out of my mixer to the line 
in of my minidisk recorder, which is the only means as far as cabling goes, 
unless you use USB, then it's going to be analog.  OK, in the long run it's 
getting recorded digitally, but at the end of the day, you're upmixing an 
annalog signal to digital.  It has nothing to do with being mono vs. stereo.


As for Audasity, I can look, but it's very doubtful that there'd be a 
transfer phesility specifically for transferring to minidisks from mp3 files 
on the mac.


Just to make it 100% clear on no uncertain terms, I cannot find any 
compatible software on the mac to do this.  The only softrware I heard of to 
do this isn't on the sony website anymore, but what I'm trying to do is, I 
want to take a USB cord, run one end of the cord into the USB connecter on 
my Sony MZ-N505 minidisk recorder, then, run the other end to the USB 3.0 
port on my mac mini.


Then, I want to be able to open up whatever software, browse to an mp3 file, 
click on transfer, or whatever, and then have the minidisk recoreder spin 
up, and receive the mp3 as an audio track now placed on the minidisk located 
within the recorder itself.  Basically it's a USB to USB transfer.


I'm totally aware of doing it the old school way with line in/line out. 
That's not what I'm trying to do.


You say you do this all the time on yoru system.  Are you doing this with 
line out from the mac to line in of the unit?  If so, then yeah, but if 
you're somehow doing it with USB, and USB only, then I'd love to know how!


If you're doing it the old fassion way, and you, or anyone else on here's 
familiar specifically with the menu layout of the MZ-N505 from Sony, then 
write me off list, and tell me please, step by step button by button what to 
hit to...


1.  Erase an individual track

and 2.  Erase an entire disc, regardless how many tracks.

clgillan...@gmail.com
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- Original Message - 
From: "Karen Lewellen" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: mini disk



Chris,
does the mini disc unit you are using  have a USB port?
By contrast does our mac have both line in and line out jacks, and the 
mini disc  have both ports?
I ask because I use mini disks regularly as a reporter and move content 
back and forth for editing.  I am not sure  why your transfer would be 
mono, forgive me if I am missing a step.  Additionally, audacity might? 
have a transfer option for you.
Again I am sorry if I am missing something critical here, but personally 
no technology that translates into income falls by the way side smiles.
Chuck our media organization might just take those units off your 
hands...shame to waste perfectly functional equipment.

Karen


On Mon, 3 Oct 2016, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Chuck, you wrote this on list, therefore, I'm gonna keep it on list. 
With all due respect, I didn't ask if it was worth the time.  I have 
certain reasons why I need to be able to use these recorders.  I can't 
really go into much on nor off list due to company confidentiality, but 
regardless if they are worth time, I need it for a part time job which 
I'm now involved with.  I didn't say I necessarily agree with the 
client's opinion, but this is the media they want their final mix on, so 
if I want the money, then I find a way to get it done, end of story. 
Plus, if someone was nice enough to donate this unit to me at no cost at 
all, then don't you think it's fair that I at least give a reasonable try 
to get it working, rather than just putting it in a drawer and never 
using it?  That would be extremely rude!

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- Original Message - From: "CHUCK REICHEL" 


To: 
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: mini disk


Hi
I have 3 sony mini disc sitting in my rack in the studio collecting dust! 
:)

I'll make this short.
Its not worth the time because the quality is not there!
We use to use them for live shows back in the day! but the technology 
has gone by the way side.

Contact me off list if you want the full story.
Talk soon
Chuck

On Oct 3, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:


 Gene,

 Thanks for the reply, but I th

Re: the G Drive Mobile Thunderbolt is not working on mac mini but working on macbook pro

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello tim:

I think I know the reason:
I was using my screen through a converter b between the VGa screen and
Many display, port,
now, I need to use the mini display port to blug the thunderbolt, in
windows, I can use my computer without a screen at all, but seems that
on mac,  it';s not possible, so I think this is that makes my mac mini
hang after I unblugged the screen.
so, the reason not the Thunderbolt but  unblugging the screen.
would you accept this or what?


On 10/3/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Upon further investigation at
> http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/mac-mini-aluminum-unibody-faq/differences-between-late-2012-mac-mini-mid-2011-mac-mini-aluminum.html
> ,
> I may have been hasty in my assessment.  It looks like your Mini should
> handle the drive.  So, I'm wondering if the Mini is trying to index the
> external drive for Spotlight purposes and the Mini is taxed a little while
> this is happening.  Try plugging in the drive at night before going to bed,
> and leave it plugged in all night.  Allow the Mini to do whatever it needs
> done while you're sleeping and see if it is behaving better in the morning.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Oct 3, 2016, at 10:42, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> When looking at https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT202638
>  which explains all the ports on
> the Input/Output panel on the back of your Mini, it looks to me that the
> Thunderbolt port on that model of Mini is only for display port purposes,
> not for drive support.
>
> Sorry.
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Oct 3, 2016, at 10:39, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
>
> And i found its espisifications
>
> https://support.apple.com/kb/sp659?locale=en_US
> 
>
> Ramy moustafa saber
> licturer at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 3, 2016, at 6:30 PM, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
>
>> Mine is  late 2012.
>>
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> licturer at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 5:36 PM, Tim Kilburn >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> What model year is your Mac Mini again.  Some of the older Minis have the
>>> Thunderbolt port, but this port is only for use as a display port,
>>> therefore it would not be visible to the Mini.  This would be a hardware
>>> thing, thus no drivers would help.  You should be able to restart your
>>> Mini to get it back to normal behaviour.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 03:46, Ramy Moustafa >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello:
>>>
>>> after dealing with Apple trade line  here, I decided to buy  a newHard
>>> disk for recording, I bought the G drive Mobile that I can connect
>>> through thunderbolt cable, on my MacBook pro 2015, it's working very
>>> great.
>>> but when I connect it to mac mini, my mac goes crazy, it stops
>>> speaking,a dn some times I got, finder busy, finder ready, and even if
>>> I will eject the drive, it still doing the same.
>>> so, is this something related to my mac mini, or I should install a
>>> drive for the thunderbolt to work?
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Faculty ofmusical education
>>> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
>>> Harmony Recording Studio
>>> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg
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Re: Stop automatic update to SIerra, how?

[Ramy Moustafa]

aha, thanks all, now I will sleep in piece that I will not find Sierra
on my studio mac.

Thanks again


On 10/3/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As mentioned, the MacOS Sierra update requires you to actually download it.
> After the initial deluge of downloads, the AppStore now has the Sierra
> update on your updates page.  You can choose to hide the update by locating
> the "Free Update" button for MacOS Sierra, then pressing VO-shift-m to bring
> up its Contextual menu, then select Hide Update.  If you'd just rather
> ignore it and leave it there for possible future consideration, this is also
> possible.  If grouping is turned on in web content areas, there will be a
> "MacOS Update" area within the Software Update screen.  If you don't
> interact with that grouping, you'll not accidentally start the upgrade
> process.  If web content grouping is not enabled, simply don't ever press on
> the "Free Upgrade" button.
>
> HTH.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Oct 3, 2016, at 05:24, David Griffith  wrote:
>
> Unlike Windows I have never known of a Mac OS installing unless I have
> explicitly requested that I do this.
>
>
> I think you will find that you will  have to search out Sierra in the App
> Store if you want to install the OS and you will need to give the usual
> passwords etc.
>
>
> In short I don't think there is any risk that you install Sierra by
> mistake.
>
> David Griffith
>
>
> On 03/10/2016 10:41, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>> Hello all:
>>
>> Now and with all your support, I installed el Capitan, and am updating
>> my Mac software like I tunes etc.
>> but I don't want my machine to be updated to Sierra, and I don't want
>> the appsotre to download it at all. so, is there a way to hide
>> updating to SIerra? or it will not download it unless I  hit the free
>> upgrade?
>> some times the VOice over can not read the name of the software that
>> is downloading, is it regular?
>>
>>
>>
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Re: mini disk

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi Chris,
Good luck with this.  My google of our unit produced a copy of the manual 
if you  require it I can provide.  Still my minidisc recorders are digital 
units, and I always use analog to digital cables, so have never encountered 
a need to involve USB for my work at all.
it is possible someone at minidisc.org still has the Sony utility that 
provided this transfer before.

Kare


On Mon, 3 Oct 2016, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Chuck, I agree with Kerin.  I'd even be willing to purchase one of them, if 
you make me a good price off list.


Kerin, as for your questions, I said multiple times, no hard feelings 
intended, as you said, you may a nimssed this factor.  Yes, it has USB. 
That's kind of the whole point of this discussion.  I cannot find software 
that will let me digitally transfer the audio from the mp3's on my system 
over to the minidisks.


Secondly, I never said that the recording would be mono.  You misread.  What 
I said was, it would be an annalog signal, not digital.  If you're using a 
3.5 to 3.5 mm patch cable, running form the line out of my mixer to the line 
in of my minidisk recorder, which is the only means as far as cabling goes, 
unless you use USB, then it's going to be analog.  OK, in the long run it's 
getting recorded digitally, but at the end of the day, you're upmixing an 
annalog signal to digital.  It has nothing to do with being mono vs. stereo.


As for Audasity, I can look, but it's very doubtful that there'd be a 
transfer phesility specifically for transferring to minidisks from mp3 files 
on the mac.


Just to make it 100% clear on no uncertain terms, I cannot find any 
compatible software on the mac to do this.  The only softrware I heard of to 
do this isn't on the sony website anymore, but what I'm trying to do is, I 
want to take a USB cord, run one end of the cord into the USB connecter on my 
Sony MZ-N505 minidisk recorder, then, run the other end to the USB 3.0 port 
on my mac mini.


Then, I want to be able to open up whatever software, browse to an mp3 file, 
click on transfer, or whatever, and then have the minidisk recoreder spin up, 
and receive the mp3 as an audio track now placed on the minidisk located 
within the recorder itself.  Basically it's a USB to USB transfer.


I'm totally aware of doing it the old school way with line in/line out. 
That's not what I'm trying to do.


You say you do this all the time on yoru system.  Are you doing this with 
line out from the mac to line in of the unit?  If so, then yeah, but if 
you're somehow doing it with USB, and USB only, then I'd love to know how!


If you're doing it the old fassion way, and you, or anyone else on here's 
familiar specifically with the menu layout of the MZ-N505 from Sony, then 
write me off list, and tell me please, step by step button by button what to 
hit to...


1.  Erase an individual track

and 2.  Erase an entire disc, regardless how many tracks.

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- Original Message - From: "Karen Lewellen" 


To: 
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: mini disk



 Chris,
 does the mini disc unit you are using  have a USB port?
 By contrast does our mac have both line in and line out jacks, and the
 mini disc  have both ports?
 I ask because I use mini disks regularly as a reporter and move content
 back and forth for editing.  I am not sure  why your transfer would be
 mono, forgive me if I am missing a step.  Additionally, audacity might?
 have a transfer option for you.
 Again I am sorry if I am missing something critical here, but personally
 no technology that translates into income falls by the way side smiles.
 Chuck our media organization might just take those units off your
 hands...shame to waste perfectly functional equipment.
 Karen


 On Mon, 3 Oct 2016, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

>  Chuck, you wrote this on list, therefore, I'm gonna keep it on list. 
>  With all due respect, I didn't ask if it was worth the time.  I have 
>  certain reasons why I need to be able to use these recorders.  I can't 
>  really go into much on nor off list due to company confidentiality, but 
>  regardless if they are worth time, I need it for a part time job which 
>  I'm now involved with.  I didn't say I necessarily agree with the 
>  client's opinion, but this is the media they want their final mix on, so 
>  if I want the money, then I find a way to get it done, end of story. 
>  Plus, if someone was nice enough to donate this unit to me at no cost at 
>  all, then don't you think it's fair that I at least give a reasonable 
>  try to get it working, rather than just putting it in a drawer and never 
>  using it?  That would be extremely rude!

>  ---
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>  JAWS Certified, 2016.
>  Training Instructor.
> 
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>  Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>  - Original Message - From: "

Re: the G Drive Mobile Thunderbolt is not working on mac mini but working on macbook pro

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Ramy,

Yes, that is entirely possible.  I'm still concerned though that it is causing 
that much of an issue.  I've worked with quite a number of Minis without a 
monitor connected without that drastic of a performance drop.  Is the G-Drive 
thunderbolt only, or does it have USB-3 as well?

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 3, 2016, at 15:09, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hello tim:

I think I know the reason:
I was using my screen through a converter b between the VGa screen and
Many display, port,
now, I need to use the mini display port to blug the thunderbolt, in
windows, I can use my computer without a screen at all, but seems that
on mac,  it';s not possible, so I think this is that makes my mac mini
hang after I unblugged the screen.
so, the reason not the Thunderbolt but  unblugging the screen.
would you accept this or what?


On 10/3/16, Tim Kilburn mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Upon further investigation at
> http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/mac-mini-aluminum-unibody-faq/differences-between-late-2012-mac-mini-mid-2011-mac-mini-aluminum.html
>  
> 
>   
> >,
> I may have been hasty in my assessment.  It looks like your Mini should
> handle the drive.  So, I'm wondering if the Mini is trying to index the
> external drive for Spotlight purposes and the Mini is taxed a little while
> this is happening.  Try plugging in the drive at night before going to bed,
> and leave it plugged in all night.  Allow the Mini to do whatever it needs
> done while you're sleeping and see if it is behaving better in the morning.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 3, 2016, at 10:42, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> When looking at https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT202638
>  > which explains all the ports on
> the Input/Output panel on the back of your Mini, it looks to me that the
> Thunderbolt port on that model of Mini is only for display port purposes,
> not for drive support.
> 
> Sorry.
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 3, 2016, at 10:39, Ramy Moustafa  
> >> wrote:
> 
> And i found its espisifications
> 
> https://support.apple.com/kb/sp659?locale=en_US 
> 
>  >
> 
> Ramy moustafa saber
> licturer at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 3, 2016, at 6:30 PM, Ramy Moustafa  
> >> wrote:
> 
>> Mine is  late 2012.
>> 
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> licturer at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 5:36 PM, Tim Kilburn >> 
>>> >> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> What model year is your Mac Mini again.  Some of the older Minis have the
>>> Thunderbolt port, but this port is only for use as a display port,
>>> therefore it would not be visible to the Mini.  This would be a hardware
>>> thing, thus no drivers would help.  You should be able to restart your
>>> Mini to get it back to normal behaviour.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 03:46, Ramy Moustafa >> 
>>> >> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello:
>>> 
>>> after dealing with Apple trade line  here, I decided to buy  a newHard
>>> disk for recording, I bought the G drive Mobile that I can connect
>>> through thunderbolt cable, on my MacBook pro 2015, it's working very
>>> great.
>>> but when I connect it to mac mini, my mac goes crazy, it stops
>>> speaking,a dn some times I got, finder busy, finder ready, and even if
>>> I will eject the drive, it still doing the same.
>>> so, is this something related to my mac mini, or I should install a
>>> drive for the thunderbolt to work?
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Ramy MoustafaSaber
>>> Music instructor @:
>>> Faculty ofmusical education
>>> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
>>> Harmony Recording Studio
>>> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg 
>>> 

Re: the G Drive Mobile Thunderbolt is not working on mac mini but working on macbook pro

[Ramy Moustafa]

it does have USB 3 also,
but am not sure if my mac mini has USB 3 or 2, the USB sign is not found .
and I checked the system report inside about my mac, and I don't know
if I have USB 2 or 3, I found the two models


On 10/3/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi Ramy,
>
> Yes, that is entirely possible.  I'm still concerned though that it is
> causing that much of an issue.  I've worked with quite a number of Minis
> without a monitor connected without that drastic of a performance drop.  Is
> the G-Drive thunderbolt only, or does it have USB-3 as well?
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Oct 3, 2016, at 15:09, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>
> Hello tim:
>
> I think I know the reason:
> I was using my screen through a converter b between the VGa screen and
> Many display, port,
> now, I need to use the mini display port to blug the thunderbolt, in
> windows, I can use my computer without a screen at all, but seems that
> on mac,  it';s not possible, so I think this is that makes my mac mini
> hang after I unblugged the screen.
> so, the reason not the Thunderbolt but  unblugging the screen.
> would you accept this or what?
>
>
> On 10/3/16, Tim Kilburn mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Upon further investigation at
>> http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/mac-mini-aluminum-unibody-faq/differences-between-late-2012-mac-mini-mid-2011-mac-mini-aluminum.html
>> 
>> > >,
>> I may have been hasty in my assessment.  It looks like your Mini should
>> handle the drive.  So, I'm wondering if the Mini is trying to index the
>> external drive for Spotlight purposes and the Mini is taxed a little
>> while
>> this is happening.  Try plugging in the drive at night before going to
>> bed,
>> and leave it plugged in all night.  Allow the Mini to do whatever it
>> needs
>> done while you're sleeping and see if it is behaving better in the
>> morning.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 10:42, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> When looking at https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT202638
>> > > which explains all the ports
>> on
>> the Input/Output panel on the back of your Mini, it looks to me that the
>> Thunderbolt port on that model of Mini is only for display port purposes,
>> not for drive support.
>>
>> Sorry.
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 10:39, Ramy Moustafa > 
>> >>
>> wrote:
>>
>> And i found its espisifications
>>
>> https://support.apple.com/kb/sp659?locale=en_US
>> 
>> > >
>>
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> licturer at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 6:30 PM, Ramy Moustafa > 
>> >>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mine is  late 2012.
>>>
>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>> licturer at:
>>> faculty of musical education
>>> music arranger and sound engineer
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Oct 3, 2016, at 5:36 PM, Tim Kilburn >>> 
 >> wrote:

 Hi,

 What model year is your Mac Mini again.  Some of the older Minis have
 the
 Thunderbolt port, but this port is only for use as a display port,
 therefore it would not be visible to the Mini.  This would be a
 hardware
 thing, thus no drivers would help.  You should be able to restart your
 Mini to get it back to normal behaviour.

 Later...

 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 On Oct 3, 2016, at 03:46, Ramy Moustafa >>> 
 >>
 wrote:

 Hello:

 after dealing with Apple trade line  here, I decided to buy  a newHard
 disk for recording, I bought the G drive Mobile that I can connect
 through thunderbolt cable, on my MacBook pro 2015, it's working very
 great.
 but when I connect it to mac mini, my mac goes crazy, it stops
 speaking,a dn some times I got, finder busy, finder ready, and even if
 I will eject the drive, it still doing the

Can not find guest account on Mac

[Robert Cole]

Dear List,
I am using the latest Mac OS.
After booting, I can only see my user account.
I can not find the option to log on to the guest account.
I have doubled checked the user prefs. to be sure guest account is checked.
Do you have any ideas of whats going on?
Thanks in advance.
Robert Cole

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Minidisk issue resolved

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Well, it's not exactly what I was hoping for, but... no.  I can't find anything 
for the mac, try as I may, but the lady who donated the unit to me found the 
original CD that came with the unit after much looking around her place.  She 
dropboxed it to me in the mingtime, but she's also sticking the physical disc 
in the mail.  Unfortunately, it only works on Windows, sorry for the cuss word, 
LOL, but hey, I'm not complaining.  At least it does indeed work.  See?  I 
don't take no for an answer.  LOL!  I knew we'd figure something out in time.  
I'd like to thank every single one of you with no exceptions profusely who did 
their absolute utmost jobs to help me with this.  You guys are awesome, and I 
can't begin to tell you the gratefulness I have to all of you for your time in 
effort in researching this, and trying so hard to help me.  It really does mean 
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Re: mini disk

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Actually, Karen, if you have the manual to the model I listed in txt or html 
format, then yes, that would be  very helpful.  I don't mind the pdf, but it 
would be so nice to be able to read the txt on the go with my Pac Mate 
braille display, so yes, if you could send it, I'd really really appreciate 
it.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Karen Lewellen" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: mini disk



Hi Chris,
Good luck with this.  My google of our unit produced a copy of the manual 
if you  require it I can provide.  Still my minidisc recorders are digital 
units, and I always use analog to digital cables, so have never 
encountered a need to involve USB for my work at all.
it is possible someone at minidisc.org still has the Sony utility that 
provided this transfer before.

Kare


On Mon, 3 Oct 2016, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Chuck, I agree with Kerin.  I'd even be willing to purchase one of them, 
if you make me a good price off list.


Kerin, as for your questions, I said multiple times, no hard feelings 
intended, as you said, you may a nimssed this factor.  Yes, it has USB. 
That's kind of the whole point of this discussion.  I cannot find 
software that will let me digitally transfer the audio from the mp3's on 
my system over to the minidisks.


Secondly, I never said that the recording would be mono.  You misread. 
What I said was, it would be an annalog signal, not digital.  If you're 
using a 3.5 to 3.5 mm patch cable, running form the line out of my mixer 
to the line in of my minidisk recorder, which is the only means as far as 
cabling goes, unless you use USB, then it's going to be analog.  OK, in 
the long run it's getting recorded digitally, but at the end of the day, 
you're upmixing an annalog signal to digital.  It has nothing to do with 
being mono vs. stereo.


As for Audasity, I can look, but it's very doubtful that there'd be a 
transfer phesility specifically for transferring to minidisks from mp3 
files on the mac.


Just to make it 100% clear on no uncertain terms, I cannot find any 
compatible software on the mac to do this.  The only softrware I heard of 
to do this isn't on the sony website anymore, but what I'm trying to do 
is, I want to take a USB cord, run one end of the cord into the USB 
connecter on my Sony MZ-N505 minidisk recorder, then, run the other end 
to the USB 3.0 port on my mac mini.


Then, I want to be able to open up whatever software, browse to an mp3 
file, click on transfer, or whatever, and then have the minidisk 
recoreder spin up, and receive the mp3 as an audio track now placed on 
the minidisk located within the recorder itself.  Basically it's a USB to 
USB transfer.


I'm totally aware of doing it the old school way with line in/line out. 
That's not what I'm trying to do.


You say you do this all the time on yoru system.  Are you doing this with 
line out from the mac to line in of the unit?  If so, then yeah, but if 
you're somehow doing it with USB, and USB only, then I'd love to know 
how!


If you're doing it the old fassion way, and you, or anyone else on here's 
familiar specifically with the menu layout of the MZ-N505 from Sony, then 
write me off list, and tell me please, step by step button by button what 
to hit to...


1.  Erase an individual track

and 2.  Erase an entire disc, regardless how many tracks.

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- Original Message - From: "Karen Lewellen" 


To: 
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: mini disk



 Chris,
 does the mini disc unit you are using  have a USB port?
 By contrast does our mac have both line in and line out jacks, and the
 mini disc  have both ports?
 I ask because I use mini disks regularly as a reporter and move content
 back and forth for editing.  I am not sure  why your transfer would be
 mono, forgive me if I am missing a step.  Additionally, audacity might?
 have a transfer option for you.
 Again I am sorry if I am missing something critical here, but 
personally

 no technology that translates into income falls by the way side smiles.
 Chuck our media organization might just take those units off your
 hands...shame to waste perfectly functional equipment.
 Karen

 On Mon, 3 Oct 2016, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

>  Chuck, you wrote this on list, therefore, I'm gonna keep it on list. 
> With all due respect, I didn't ask if it was worth the time.  I have 
> certain reasons why I need to be able to use these recorders.  I can't 
> really go into much on nor off list due to company confidentiality, 
> but regardless if they are worth time, I need it for a part time job 
> which I'm now involved with.  I didn't say I necessarily agree with 
> the c

Re: Trillion question.

[Jessica Moss]

Ok, in other words, I’m not sure how to access the status menus, sense I’m 
really new to the system, and haven’t used it that long.
> On Oct 3, 2016, at 5:56 AM, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> In my response I  wrote on October 1,  I already explained that you have to 
> go into the Status Menus at the top of the screen and change it, and I gave 
> instructions on how to accomplish this. Please let me know if anything needs 
> clearing up, and I'll try my best to explain better.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jeffrey
> 
> 
> On 10/2/2016 8:43 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:
>> Ok, how do you do that?  I’ve never had to do that before.
>>> On Oct 1, 2016, at 7:28 AM, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> One thing to possibly check  is to make sure your status is set to “Online” 
>>> in the Status menu, access where all the other status menus like the time 
>>> and Wi-Fi are. So, what you do is find the one for Trilian and VO Space on 
>>> that one, find Online,and VO Space on that.Then, if it doesn’t reconnect, 
>>> quit and restart the program.
>>> I hope this helps,
>>> Jeffrey
 On Sep 30, 2016, at 8:39 PM, Jessica Moss  
 wrote:
 
 I’ve just recently noticed after connecting to trillion, that it just says 
 “off line contacts,” and won’t show my on line contacts anymore, and I 
 know I have contacts on line, because I check my messenger app on my 
 Iphone, and have several on line there.  Also, I just select one at random 
 after doing a right-arrow command, which pulls up everybody, which doesn’t 
 tell me whether they’re on or off line, IM someone, and get lucky when 
 someone responds, so obviously someone’s on line then, so I have no idea 
 what’s going on now.  I’m not sure if it auto-updates, and if so, the 
 latest update has accessibility issues, or what the deal is, but this just 
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research papers with Pages

[Ryan Mann]

Hello.  I’ve started a Master’s program and I’m think about using Pages on my 
Mac to do the research papers.  Has anybody done this?  If so, did you have any 
trouble with formatting?  I will need to upload it in Word format.
Thanks.

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Re: research papers with Pages

[David Chittenden]

I use pages for university and work. When sharing word doc files with others, 
formatting gets strange. However, if all editing is done in pages and only the 
final product is exported to word, I have not had any problems.

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> On 4/10/2016, at 14:23, Ryan Mann  wrote:
> 
> Hello.  I’ve started a Master’s program and I’m think about using Pages on my 
> Mac to do the research papers.  Has anybody done this?  If so, did you have 
> any trouble with formatting?  I will need to upload it in Word format.
> Thanks.
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Re: the G Drive Mobile Thunderbolt is not working on mac mini but working on macbook pro

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

The Late 2012 Mini has USB 3 whereas the 2011 model has USB 2.  I'm thinking 
that it would be worth a try to leave the video connected to your Mini and 
connect the drive with the USB cable instead.  If things work well, then that 
should suffice.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 3, 2016, at 16:56, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

it does have USB 3 also,
but am not sure if my mac mini has USB 3 or 2, the USB sign is not found .
and I checked the system report inside about my mac, and I don't know
if I have USB 2 or 3, I found the two models


On 10/3/16, Tim Kilburn mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
> Hi Ramy,
> 
> Yes, that is entirely possible.  I'm still concerned though that it is
> causing that much of an issue.  I've worked with quite a number of Minis
> without a monitor connected without that drastic of a performance drop.  Is
> the G-Drive thunderbolt only, or does it have USB-3 as well?
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 3, 2016, at 15:09, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hello tim:
> 
> I think I know the reason:
> I was using my screen through a converter b between the VGa screen and
> Many display, port,
> now, I need to use the mini display port to blug the thunderbolt, in
> windows, I can use my computer without a screen at all, but seems that
> on mac,  it';s not possible, so I think this is that makes my mac mini
> hang after I unblugged the screen.
> so, the reason not the Thunderbolt but  unblugging the screen.
> would you accept this or what?
> 
> 
> On 10/3/16, Tim Kilburn mailto:kilbu...@me.com> 
> >> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Upon further investigation at
>> http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/mac-mini-aluminum-unibody-faq/differences-between-late-2012-mac-mini-mid-2011-mac-mini-aluminum.html
>>  
>> 
>> >  
>> >
>> >  
>> 
>> >  
>> >>,
>> I may have been hasty in my assessment.  It looks like your Mini should
>> handle the drive.  So, I'm wondering if the Mini is trying to index the
>> external drive for Spotlight purposes and the Mini is taxed a little
>> while
>> this is happening.  Try plugging in the drive at night before going to
>> bed,
>> and leave it plugged in all night.  Allow the Mini to do whatever it
>> needs
>> done while you're sleeping and see if it is behaving better in the
>> morning.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 10:42, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> When looking at https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT202638 
>> 
>> > 
>> > >> which explains all the ports
>> on
>> the Input/Output panel on the back of your Mini, it looks to me that the
>> Thunderbolt port on that model of Mini is only for display port purposes,
>> not for drive support.
>> 
>> Sorry.
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 10:39, Ramy Moustafa > 
>> >
>>  
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> And i found its espisifications
>> 
>> https://support.apple.com/kb/sp659?locale=en_US 
>> 
>> > >
>> > 
>> > >>
>> 
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> licturer at:
>> faculty of musical education

Re: Can not find guest account on Mac

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Sometimes after the MacOS upgrade, the checkbox does not register its state 
properly.  Unlock the lock in the Users & Groups pane, select the Guest user 
from the Users, Groups & Login Options list then VO-space on the checkbox, 
whether it is checked or not.  Close System Preferences then restart your Mac.  
The Guest user often shows up again.  If not, report back and we'll dig a 
little deeper.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 3, 2016, at 17:00, Robert Cole  wrote:

Dear List,
I am using the latest Mac OS.
After booting, I can only see my user account.
I can not find the option to log on to the guest account.
I have doubled checked the user prefs. to be sure guest account is checked.
Do you have any ideas of whats going on?
Thanks in advance.
Robert Cole

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Re: Is Sierra Stable Concerning VoiceOver

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Yes. Like I said, only 2010 Macs have this issue. Newer Macs don't have the 
problem.

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> On Oct 3, 2016, at 2:07 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>What bug is this with Alex? I use Alex all of the time and I’ve never had 
> a crash. Is this specific to older models of the Mac?
> 
> 
> Take Care
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>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 2:32 PM, Shawn Krasniuk > > wrote:
>> 
>> It depends on what Mac you have. If you have a 2010 Mac and if it's a must 
>> that you use Alex, I don't recommend updating to Sierra. There's a major bug 
>> at present that Alex crashes Voiceover and you need to restart your computer 
>> with the power button. But if you have a newer Mac or you don't necessarily 
>> need to use Alex, I'd say go ahead. It's pretty stable.
>> 
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>>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 7:44 AM, Bill Gallik >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> All,
>>> 
>>> I’d like to upgrade from Yosemite to Sierra but do have concerns regarding 
>>> “Show Stopper” issues with VoiceOver.  Has there been any such serious 
>>> VoiceOver issues?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Trillion question.

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Vo+M pressed twice brings you to the status menus.

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> On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:02 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> Ok, in other words, I’m not sure how to access the status menus, sense I’m 
> really new to the system, and haven’t used it that long.
>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 5:56 AM, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> In my response I  wrote on October 1,  I already explained that you have to 
>> go into the Status Menus at the top of the screen and change it, and I gave 
>> instructions on how to accomplish this. Please let me know if anything needs 
>> clearing up, and I'll try my best to explain better.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Jeffrey
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/2/2016 8:43 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:
>>> Ok, how do you do that?  I’ve never had to do that before.
 On Oct 1, 2016, at 7:28 AM, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 One thing to possibly check  is to make sure your status is set to 
 “Online” in the Status menu, access where all the other status menus like 
 the time and Wi-Fi are. So, what you do is find the one for Trilian and VO 
 Space on that one, find Online,and VO Space on that.Then, if it doesn’t 
 reconnect, quit and restart the program.
 I hope this helps,
 Jeffrey
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Re: research papers with Pages

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Ryan,

We cover everything you need for formatting a research paper in our book “My 
Mac Pages”, available from:
http://mosen.org/mymacpages/

Cheers,

Anne



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> any trouble with formatting?  I will need to upload it in Word format.
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Re: the G Drive Mobile Thunderbolt is not working on mac mini but working on macbook pro

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello:
yes, this is ok, with USB it's working ok.
but am using this External HD in Music recording. so, I guess that
Thunderbolt is better than USB even 3? but as you mentioned, there is
word indicating that this mac can use it's thunderbolt for External
media.

the reason why am in a hurry is that,  if I  can use the Thunderbolt
with my G drive thunderbolt,  I will buy Vega to HDMI converter, but
if not, so  I will not buy it.

Thanks fo rthinking with me

On 10/4/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The Late 2012 Mini has USB 3 whereas the 2011 model has USB 2.  I'm thinking
> that it would be worth a try to leave the video connected to your Mini and
> connect the drive with the USB cable instead.  If things work well, then
> that should suffice.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Oct 3, 2016, at 16:56, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>
> it does have USB 3 also,
> but am not sure if my mac mini has USB 3 or 2, the USB sign is not found .
> and I checked the system report inside about my mac, and I don't know
> if I have USB 2 or 3, I found the two models
>
>
> On 10/3/16, Tim Kilburn mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>> Hi Ramy,
>>
>> Yes, that is entirely possible.  I'm still concerned though that it is
>> causing that much of an issue.  I've worked with quite a number of Minis
>> without a monitor connected without that drastic of a performance drop.
>> Is
>> the G-Drive thunderbolt only, or does it have USB-3 as well?
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 15:09, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello tim:
>>
>> I think I know the reason:
>> I was using my screen through a converter b between the VGa screen and
>> Many display, port,
>> now, I need to use the mini display port to blug the thunderbolt, in
>> windows, I can use my computer without a screen at all, but seems that
>> on mac,  it';s not possible, so I think this is that makes my mac mini
>> hang after I unblugged the screen.
>> so, the reason not the Thunderbolt but  unblugging the screen.
>> would you accept this or what?
>>
>>
>> On 10/3/16, Tim Kilburn mailto:kilbu...@me.com>
>> >> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Upon further investigation at
>>> http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/mac-mini-aluminum-unibody-faq/differences-between-late-2012-mac-mini-mid-2011-mac-mini-aluminum.html
>>> 
>>> >> >
>>> >> 
>>> >> >>,
>>> I may have been hasty in my assessment.  It looks like your Mini should
>>> handle the drive.  So, I'm wondering if the Mini is trying to index the
>>> external drive for Spotlight purposes and the Mini is taxed a little
>>> while
>>> this is happening.  Try plugging in the drive at night before going to
>>> bed,
>>> and leave it plugged in all night.  Allow the Mini to do whatever it
>>> needs
>>> done while you're sleeping and see if it is behaving better in the
>>> morning.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 10:42, Tim Kilburn >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> When looking at https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT202638
>>> 
>>> >> 
>>> >> >> which explains all the
>>> ports
>>> on
>>> the Input/Output panel on the back of your Mini, it looks to me that the
>>> Thunderbolt port on that model of Mini is only for display port
>>> purposes,
>>> not for drive support.
>>>
>>> Sorry.
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 10:39, Ramy Moustafa >> 
>>> >
>>> 
>>> 

Re: research papers with Pages

[Ramy Moustafa]

I bought this and I must say that, this is the best book I have ever
seen concerning explanation, step by step tutering, simple language.
and all this.
Thanks


On 10/4/16, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> Hello Ryan,
>
> We cover everything you need for formatting a research paper in our book “My
> Mac Pages”, available from:
> http://mosen.org/mymacpages/
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
>
>
>> On 4 Oct 2016, at 03:23, Ryan Mann  wrote:
>>
>> Hello.  I’ve started a Master’s program and I’m think about using Pages on
>> my Mac to do the research papers.  Has anybody done this?  If so, did you
>> have any trouble with formatting?  I will need to upload it in Word
>> format.
>> Thanks.
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