Re: A question I'd really like some serious thought to be given to regarding iOS.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

That's kind of what I had suspected to hear.  I just wanted to check.

What's worse is, when I spoke to Apple Accessibility over the phone, they swore 
to god it was stupidly ridiculously accessible with Voiceover.

When I insisted to the guy, no it's not, he's like, all of our native Apple 
apps are super accessible.

Just to kind of play with his head a bit, being we all know, that's just a 
roundhanded assumption with no prior research, it's obvious, I said to him, 
"Oh!  OK, so you're saying I can edit pictures, crop, remove red eye, adjust 
brightness/tone, create and remove layers, remove shadowing, etc. with Apogy, 
which is a photo editer."  He's like, well, no.  I never said that.  I'm like, 
but you did!  You said all! Apple native apps work ridiculously well with 
Voiceover.  He's like, OK, fine, not all do, but most do.  GB being one of them.

I clarified with him I didn't mean on OSX, I meant on iOS.  He's like, yes.  I 
know that.  Yes, it's totally usable.

So, I grabbed my IPad and fired it up.  I asked him then to show me how to 
import a karaoke track, lay down my vocals, and then add some effects to my 
vocal track.

About 2 minutes into him trying to guide me through the screen, it was very 
apparent to him that we were getting absolutely nowhere.

He's like, ok, this is imbarrassing.  I tell you all things we make are 
accessible.  This thing's a piece of crap!  I'm like, Gee! Ya think?  Now!  
What're we gonna do about it?

He's like I don't know.  I'll sent a ticket up to the engineers, but that's 
about all I can do here.  In his defense, I'll grant him that.  But, I just 
wish some of these reps would do their freaking homework before just up and out 
yammerring something they don't honestly know the answer to.  I found that 
extremely irritating!
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Jessica Moss 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 2:55 PM
  Subject: Re: A question I'd really like some serious thought to be given to 
regarding iOS.


  I find Garage band to be a real disappointment to work with as well, which is 
really upsetting to me.  My dad does a lot with it on his ipad, and uplodes it 
to facebook, so I thought I could possibly create some of those same tracks, 
until I tried in vain and after accidentally taping on drums I didn’t want, and 
not being able to correct them, then after watching him create tracks with his 
ipad, seeing how he was able to take them in and out on the fly, something you 
apparently can’t do with voiceover, and how knowing your musical notes helps 
(something I’m not good with) I’ve for the most part given it up.


On Jul 13, 2016, at 7:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


OK guys,

First of all, no doubt, I get that this isn't gonna be the experience I'd 
have on the mac OSX side of things with ProTools, or Logic, but I really would 
like some serious thought on this.  I've got an IPad, and really would like to 
know to what extent the accessibility is with the iOS version of Garageband.  
When I tried it last, I couldn't make any sense of its UI at all.

I've had a few people from this list, don't remember who, who told me flat 
out that Garageband did work with Voiceover on iOS.  They said I can bring the 
on screen keyboard up, then can do little things like playing Mary had a Little 
lamb, or hot cross buns.  OK, that's all fine and kiddy kiddy, here, kiddy 
kiddy, nice, kiddy, but I wanna get some real brutally honest answers here from 
people who may be a little above the level of Twinkle.  OK, inevitably, it's an 
on screen keyboard, so I'm not gonna really be able to do Moonlight Sonata, or 
Hendel Messiah's Hallelujah chorus, LOL! Not that I'd do those anyway, but 
point is, I know I'd be somewhat limited, but really how much power do we have 
with Voiceover either on or off?  Keep in mind, though I have some vision, if I 
turned off Voiceover, I really don't have enough usable sight to do anything 
all that productive, not even with Zoom.

Ultimately, what I'd like to do is to look at getting an audio interface 
that would let me connect my IPad via its lightning port, then record directly 
into it with a professional grade microphone which would connect to the 
interface via male to female XLR mike cable, then maybe also patch in my 
keyboard with standard stareo quarter inch gold tip plugs.  Basically I want an 
interface like I already have only one that has IPad or IPhone docking ability 
so I could let the IPad basically be the recording DAW hardware.

Ideally, I'd already have stem tracks of all the instruments.  I'd simply 
just want to be able to import those wave or mp3 stems into my GB project, 
again, on iOS, not on OSX, on to seperet stereo audio tracks, then create a 
mono audio track for my vocals, track them, and maybe some backings, then add 
m

Re: Problem solved.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Don't worry, my friend.  It happens to the best of us.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Kawal Gucukoglu 
  To: Macvisionaries 
  Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 5:16 PM
  Subject: Problem solved.


  Please don’t worry about my Overdrive question as I have found the files.  
They downloaded without me knowing.

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Re: HP's radical new computing design or Singularity here we come!

[Brent Harding]

Yes, I'm not looking real forward to the teenage detectives discovering that 
they can probably get into the apartment building without buzzing in because 
the old phone line based intercom system gave out awhile ago now, then it came 
back about 3 weeks later, and now it's out again. I think that sort of "big 
brother" way of having all the lines through the intercom is not commonly done 
any more, and being that I have no analog landline, one could barely hear the 
visitor when it rang anyways. They decided to just have the front door unlocked 
instead, so you'd be stuck with the unwanted visitors at the apartment. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: Cheree Heppe 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 9:34 AM
  Subject: Re: HP's radical new computing design or Singularity here we come!


  Good one!


  Sent from my iPhone

  On Jul 16, 2016, at 07:12, Donna Goodin  wrote:


Wow, Scot, I probably only understand half of that, but it's crazy.  Thanks 
for sharing.
Cheers,
Donna

  On Jul 15, 2016, at 10:40 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:


  Absolutely startling developments at HP that may impact us all.  It 
dwarfs what Apple is doing in the cloud or even the idea of the cloud.  It’s 
also probably one of your m ore frightening advertising videos.  It’s tied in 
with Star Trek believe it or not but basically they’re using the idea of the 
Singularity (AKA Ray Kurzweil and the Singularity).


  The idea is that instead of processors and nodes in the cloud like we 
have now there will be a massive pile of addressable memory.  They have built 
this system, memory is stored on fabric made of photons meaning memory is 
stored on particles of light instead of electrons.  This means a base increase 
of performance over conventional circuits of 1000 times but it gets crazier 
than that.  Once data is stored in photons you can start applying principles of 
quantum mechanics using ideas like entanglement to instantly transfer data over 
any distance.  Think of a radio wave taking 8 minutes to get from our Sun to 
our planet in perfect conditions, now imagine modulating one out of two photons 
in a pair and seeing it’s results over that same distance instantly because 
information can exceed the speed of light.
  Imagine HP releasing this to open source developers so unix instances 
automatically boot with hooks in to this memory fabric, the internet of things 
starts dumping data in to this system.  By 2020 there will be over 30 billion 
connected devices, that level of connectivity will crush the network as it 
stands today but ideas like this allow us to progress past Moore’s law right 
down to the photon level rather than primitive atoms.:)


  Read a lot more here
  http://www.labs.hpe.com/research/themachine/

  I used to laugh at the idea of computing becoming self aware and 
intelligent especially by 2029 on the near end or 2045 on the far end.  IF 
possible I used to think it would take hundreds of years especially considering 
where we started.  I’m not laughing any more.  I’m wondering if 2029 isn’t to 
far out?  I’m not sure if I’m ready for my computing infrastructure to be alive 
rather than a thing.  Wait until the human machine interfaces become so good 
that you hard wire your brain right to the network and we’ve got 9 billion 
brains available for parallel processing.  I’m in!  For anyone who doubts it, 
go outside, look at the billion people staring at their phones wandering around 
the country side staring like zombies in their phones finding Pokemon.  This 
enhanced reality thing, it’s just the primitive start, the model A ford 
equivalent of it’s time, it’s about to get really really interesting!




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Re: Overdrive for the Mac.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I hear Overdrive is fairly doable on the mac.  Again, I personally have never 
tried it, so I can't verify this.  I'm going by what others have told me.  It 
should be at least somewhat doable, if not very doable.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Tim Kilburn 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 5:22 PM
  Subject: Re: Overdrive for the Mac.


  Hi Kawal,


  When I pressed the Mac link, the download just started automatically.  So, 
even though it seemed to take you to an empty page, if you check in your 
Downloads folder, the installer dmg should be there.  Not sure how accessible 
things are after that.


  Later...


  Tim Kilburn
  Fort McMurray, AB Canada 


  On Jul 16, 2016, at 15:10, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:


  Hi.


  I’m trying to download the Overdrive app for the Mac by visiting 
http://app.overdrive.com but when I press the link for the Mac, I get empty 
HTML.  I’d be grateful if someone could try this for me and tell me if I’m 
doing something wrong.  All I want to do is download the RNIB talking books to 
my Mac computer so that I can put my Victor Stream card in my Mac and copy them 
to my Victor Stream SD card to listen to later.  If I download the books to 
Overdrive on my phone then I’ll have 28 days to listen to them but I want to 
avoid that so I can listen to books any time I like.  I already have a password 
and login username to get books but I can’t get the Application for the Mac.


  Thanks.


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Re: To Devon, (was This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[David Chittenden]

No, not officially. Blindness is not a reason to deny immigration. However, 
when one immigrates independently, one must prove that one is able to live 
independently. In other words, one needs to prove that one is not going to be a 
burden on society. Now, if one was a refugee, it is different, and different 
criteria apply. I can honestly say, NZ is easier than the US or Australia.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 17 Jul 2016, at 15:58, Chris Meredith  wrote:
> 
> Half a sec.  You lose points on the immigration scale for New Zealand if 
> you’re blind?  The mind boggles just a bit.
>> On Jul 16, 2016, at 5:32 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, Simon, I could not immigrate here. I immigrated independently. Most 
>> blind people who immigrate do so as the partner of a Kiwi. I did not just 
>> want to come here to work. I wished to become a citizen. To do so, I needed 
>> to match the immigration skills list and have enough points. Also, I needed 
>> to prove I could live independently. It would have been been much easier had 
>> I married a Kiwi.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 16 Jul 2016, at 20:04, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> David, do you mean you couldn't move over here until you got a masters 
>>> degree?
>>> 
>>> I can't believe that.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
>>> Sent: Saturday, 16 July 2016 1:02 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: To Devon, (was This blind Apple engineer is transforming the 
>>> tech world at only 22
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> 
>>> You always have time to go back and attend university.
>>> 
>>> I went to a university directly after high school and flunked out. I never 
>>> reported that year to any other education institution. This way, I escaped 
>>> the C- GPA drag.
>>> 
>>> I then attended community college for a few years part-time, only taking 
>>> classes that interested me. I then went to massage school (a 9 month 
>>> program which I graduated from when I was 27).
>>> 
>>> When I was 38, I decided I wanted to x-patriate myself from the US. I 
>>> looked into it and discovered that I would need a masters degree because I 
>>> am blind. So, I looked at my skills and realised I have excellent 
>>> understanding of business. So, I located a fully accredited (highest 
>>> accreditation in US is regional which is the only one accepted overseas), 
>>> and applied to and entered an online university which met the criteria. A 
>>> year later, I graduated at the top of my class with a bachelors. Thanks to 
>>> the appropriate accreditation, and my grades, I easily entered a masters 
>>> program when I was 40.
>>> 
>>> The truth is, university was much easier for me when I returned at 38. I 
>>> had developed the drive and focus which I lacked when I was 18. Put another 
>>> way, now is as good a time as any to go back to university.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 16 Jul 2016, at 12:04, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
 Wow, I wish I was smart, I could never get the whole education school 
 thing down.  I tried college, dropped out and started a business, tried 
 again, lost focus, started another business and moved on.  I’ve always 
 felt guilty about it.  My poor mother wanted to see me graduate college 
 with a degree so badly.  Always felt like I let her down.
 
 Oh well I went the long way but my positions more recently and career have 
 made up for a lot but I always wished I had the focus and stuff to get 
 through and do well in college.
 
 
> On Jul 15, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
> 
> I loved attending my community college. It was a great way to ease
> into a college life, meet new people.
> Vaughn
> 
>> On 7/15/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> Hi Donna and Devin,
>> 
>> Devin, if your as sheltered as you make it sound, Donnas suggestion of a
>> community college would be a great idea, you would also get to meet many
>> other people from all walks of life.
>> 
>> I’ve met truckloads of people from my studies at University
>> I would tell my family where to get off if my parents had tried to put me
>> into a group living situation.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Friday, 15 July 2016 12:56 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: To Devon, (was This blind Apple engineer is transforming the 
>> tech
>> world at only 22
>> 
>> Thank you, Scott.  I've been thinking about how to

RE: To Devon, (was This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[Simon Fogarty]

Bloody government.
 
Oh well yor here now.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Saturday, 16 July 2016 9:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: To Devon, (was This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech 
world at only 22

Yes, Simon, I could not immigrate here. I immigrated independently. Most blind 
people who immigrate do so as the partner of a Kiwi. I did not just want to 
come here to work. I wished to become a citizen. To do so, I needed to match 
the immigration skills list and have enough points. Also, I needed to prove I 
could live independently. It would have been been much easier had I married a 
Kiwi.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 16 Jul 2016, at 20:04, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> David, do you mean you couldn't move over here until you got a masters degree?
> 
> I can't believe that.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Saturday, 16 July 2016 1:02 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: To Devon, (was This blind Apple engineer is transforming the 
> tech world at only 22
> 
> Scott,
> 
> You always have time to go back and attend university.
> 
> I went to a university directly after high school and flunked out. I never 
> reported that year to any other education institution. This way, I escaped 
> the C- GPA drag.
> 
> I then attended community college for a few years part-time, only taking 
> classes that interested me. I then went to massage school (a 9 month program 
> which I graduated from when I was 27).
> 
> When I was 38, I decided I wanted to x-patriate myself from the US. I looked 
> into it and discovered that I would need a masters degree because I am blind. 
> So, I looked at my skills and realised I have excellent understanding of 
> business. So, I located a fully accredited (highest accreditation in US is 
> regional which is the only one accepted overseas), and applied to and entered 
> an online university which met the criteria. A year later, I graduated at the 
> top of my class with a bachelors. Thanks to the appropriate accreditation, 
> and my grades, I easily entered a masters program when I was 40.
> 
> The truth is, university was much easier for me when I returned at 38. I had 
> developed the drive and focus which I lacked when I was 18. Put another way, 
> now is as good a time as any to go back to university.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 16 Jul 2016, at 12:04, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, I wish I was smart, I could never get the whole education school thing 
>> down.  I tried college, dropped out and started a business, tried again, 
>> lost focus, started another business and moved on.  I’ve always felt guilty 
>> about it.  My poor mother wanted to see me graduate college with a degree so 
>> badly.  Always felt like I let her down.
>> 
>> Oh well I went the long way but my positions more recently and career have 
>> made up for a lot but I always wished I had the focus and stuff to get 
>> through and do well in college.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 15, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I loved attending my community college. It was a great way to ease
>>> into a college life, meet new people.
>>> Vaughn
>>> 
 On 7/15/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 Hi Donna and Devin,
 
 Devin, if your as sheltered as you make it sound, Donnas suggestion of a
 community college would be a great idea, you would also get to meet many
 other people from all walks of life.
 
 I’ve met truckloads of people from my studies at University
 I would tell my family where to get off if my parents had tried to put me
 into a group living situation.
 
 
 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
 Sent: Friday, 15 July 2016 12:56 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: To Devon, (was This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech
 world at only 22
 
 Thank you, Scott.  I've been thinking about how to respond to this message
 since last night.  You hit the nail on the head.
 
 Devon, no, I can't imagine why on earth you would be at an adult learning
 facility.  Do you have any ideas about what kind of career you might like 
 to
 pursue?  I would suggest a visit to a community college as a starting 
 point.
 Meet with a career counselor there, a regular career counselor is going to
 be much more likely to help you generate a broader list of options. Then
 maybe start by taking a couple of classes there.  That would be a good way
 to get your feet we

RE: Deleting a Time Machine Backup in the trash

[Simon Fogarty]

If you haven't already try unplugging your time machine drive and then restart 
your machine and then do the shift command and delete to see if you can delete 
the trash completely.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Joshua Tubbs
Sent: Sunday, 17 July 2016 3:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Deleting a Time Machine Backup in the trash

Yes, but the backup data is in the trash now so can’t that is what I am trying 
to get rid of.

> On Jul 16, 2016, at 3:50 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> What about just eraising the intire disk using disk utilities?
> 
> That will give you a clean slate to start again with.
> 
> And if you have everything on your new machine then your not going to lose 
> anything 
> 
> Just a thought.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Tubbs
> Sent: Saturday, 16 July 2016 6:21 AM
> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Deleting a Time Machine Backup in the trash
> 
> Hi everyone,
> I am wondering how to delete a time machine backup in the trash? I delete the 
> trash, tell it that I want to remove all items, including locked ones, but 
> then it tells me that some of the backup folders, such as the user folder, 
> which is now on this new Mac, my home folder and something dated something in 
> July, are all in use.
> Is there any way to delete this? I want it completely trashed. Furthermore, I 
> don’t have a drive bigger than my now current internal of 2 TB, so I guess I 
> won’t be using Time Machine for now. I wonder if there are other, better 
> backup utilities I can use instead?
> I thought about paying for a Bazkblaze subscription to back this stuff up. 
> Not sure if there’s anything better than Backblaze.
> Thanks all.
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RE: I Need a Little Help in Safari

[Simon Fogarty]

Mark, Till now I had respect for you. Now I'm just really concerned!

 Tell me your not getting into this psycho craze! LOL>

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On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, 17 July 2016 5:41 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: I Need a Little Help in Safari

Hello Everyone,

Earlier today, I received an email in my Inbox with a link to a cNet article 
that I wanted to read.  

When I click on the link, Safari opens and, in addition to the text, a Flash 
video begins to play.  Try as I may, I cannot seem to stop the video.  This is 
to say, I cannot find the pause/stop button.  

I realize that my Safari skills are not as advanced as they should be so I'm 
hoping one of you Safarians can inform me as to how to stop the playback.  

I grew so frustrated with this endeavor that I finally gave up and opened the 
article in Windows Explorer where I could read the text without being bothered 
with the video playback, via Jaws.  

Article:
Pokemon Go could crash and burn this way
http://enews.cnet.com/ct/36465781:WmNb4zYgN:m:1:643954770:AB022623DBB6DD9EE0
0AF25C9314BD07:r:22694667381686839172315209628767

All replies, greatly appreciated.

Mark

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RE: Reformatting drives on Mac: which entry in the table?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Alex,

Yes the first entry is the actual drive, you would partition this, the second 
entry is the drive volume so if you only wish to format the volume then 
highlight the second entry and then go to the eraise tab and then select the 
correct format mac osx extended journaled, then eraise, you can also give the 
volume a name so you know which one it is.

The drive name is a weird layout but will have the manufacturers name, such as 
apple or Toshiba and the drive size 1tb etc, this is the full drive and as I 
said above this is what you would select if you wish to partition the 
drive.hope that helps.

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On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Sunday, 17 July 2016 6:36 AM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Reformatting drives on Mac: which entry in the table?

Hey list,
Something I've wondered for a long time but never bothered to check out is 
this. When reformatting a drive in OS X--sorry, macOS--Disk Utility shows me a 
table of disks. Most have two entries, one for the physical device and one for 
each volume on that device, I presume. I'm not even sure if that's correct. 
When reformatting, which do I choose? My mother has a 1TB NTFS drive that she 
wants me to reformat for use on a Mac. I've backed it up, and know to use the 
right file system and all that. What I'm wondering is which entry in the disks 
table to choose. Thanks.

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RE: Reformatting drives on Mac: which entry in the table?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Alex,

If you wished to partition the disk then highlight the full drive name not just 
the volume name
You can just format a drive using eraise tab but a full partition may well be a 
better option if it’s currently set to ntfs.
As tim said mac osx extended journaled is the format to use if your installing 
OSX .

However if you don’t need to change the partition table then jus use eraise tab 
and select the correct format.and it shold still be ok although you will have 
to also select options and make it a GUID partition to enable installing of the 
OSX system.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Sunday, 17 July 2016 7:27 AM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Reformatting drives on Mac: which entry in the table?

Thanks. To be sure I have it right, that would be the first, collapsable entry 
in the disks table? What would happen if I reformatted the volume and not the 
physical disk? Would that leave it using NTFS, not letting me partition it but 
with a Mac FS partition?
On Jul 16, 2016, at 15:06, Tim Kilburn 
mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi,

If changing it from NTFS to an Apple File System, I'd use the physical disk, 
not the volume label.  In most cases, it just matters what you plan on using 
the disk for.  The physical disk maps out what volumes etc are present, and the 
items in the sub-list are the volumes present on the physical disk.  So, if 
it's only going to be used for a Mac, especially if it's possible that you wish 
it to be used for Time Machine as well., then it's best to format it as MacOS 
Extended (Journaled).

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 16, 2016, at 12:36, Alex Hall 
mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:

Hey list,
Something I've wondered for a long time but never bothered to check out is 
this. When reformatting a drive in OS X--sorry, macOS--Disk Utility shows me a 
table of disks. Most have two entries, one for the physical device and one for 
each volume on that device, I presume. I'm not even sure if that's correct. 
When reformatting, which do I choose? My mother has a 1TB NTFS drive that she 
wants me to reformat for use on a Mac. I've backed it up, and know to use the 
right file system and all that. What I'm wondering is which entry in the disks 
table to choose. Thanks.

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Re: iOS 10 is a total mess

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi. I haven't read the whole article mainly because I can't open a reader 
window, but from what I've read, it seems like it's a total whine fest. I mean, 
has the guy used beta software before? It's called "beta" for a reason. There 
will be bugs, but who's to say that these bugs will remain in the next beta or 
even this fall? If you can't stand the bugs, don't install the beta. Plain and 
simple.

Shawn
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> On Jul 15, 2016, at 11:33 AM, -  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.zdnet.com/article/ios-10-is-a-total-mess/#ftag=RSSbaffb68
> 
> XB
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RE: To Devon, (was This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah we like to make things more difficult.

 Unless your Asian, austrailian  or pacific islander 
  NZ doesn't want you unless you've got truckloads of cash, can't speak English 
well enough to say hello, don't want to live anywhere but Auckland and or feel 
you can use the government welfare systems to yor gain rather than being able 
to work and earn money the hard way.

 Davids an  oddity or am I just bias to  Asians austrailians and pacific 
islanders.

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Sent: Sunday, 17 July 2016 3:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: To Devon, (was This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech 
world at only 22

Half a sec.  You lose points on the immigration scale for New Zealand if you’re 
blind?  The mind boggles just a bit.
> On Jul 16, 2016, at 5:32 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Yes, Simon, I could not immigrate here. I immigrated independently. Most 
> blind people who immigrate do so as the partner of a Kiwi. I did not just 
> want to come here to work. I wished to become a citizen. To do so, I needed 
> to match the immigration skills list and have enough points. Also, I needed 
> to prove I could live independently. It would have been been much easier had 
> I married a Kiwi.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 16 Jul 2016, at 20:04, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> David, do you mean you couldn't move over here until you got a masters 
>> degree?
>> 
>> I can't believe that.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
>> Sent: Saturday, 16 July 2016 1:02 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: To Devon, (was This blind Apple engineer is transforming the 
>> tech world at only 22
>> 
>> Scott,
>> 
>> You always have time to go back and attend university.
>> 
>> I went to a university directly after high school and flunked out. I never 
>> reported that year to any other education institution. This way, I escaped 
>> the C- GPA drag.
>> 
>> I then attended community college for a few years part-time, only taking 
>> classes that interested me. I then went to massage school (a 9 month program 
>> which I graduated from when I was 27).
>> 
>> When I was 38, I decided I wanted to x-patriate myself from the US. I looked 
>> into it and discovered that I would need a masters degree because I am 
>> blind. So, I looked at my skills and realised I have excellent understanding 
>> of business. So, I located a fully accredited (highest accreditation in US 
>> is regional which is the only one accepted overseas), and applied to and 
>> entered an online university which met the criteria. A year later, I 
>> graduated at the top of my class with a bachelors. Thanks to the appropriate 
>> accreditation, and my grades, I easily entered a masters program when I was 
>> 40.
>> 
>> The truth is, university was much easier for me when I returned at 38. I had 
>> developed the drive and focus which I lacked when I was 18. Put another way, 
>> now is as good a time as any to go back to university.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 16 Jul 2016, at 12:04, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow, I wish I was smart, I could never get the whole education school thing 
>>> down.  I tried college, dropped out and started a business, tried again, 
>>> lost focus, started another business and moved on.  I’ve always felt guilty 
>>> about it.  My poor mother wanted to see me graduate college with a degree 
>>> so badly.  Always felt like I let her down.
>>> 
>>> Oh well I went the long way but my positions more recently and career have 
>>> made up for a lot but I always wished I had the focus and stuff to get 
>>> through and do well in college.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 15, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
 
 I loved attending my community college. It was a great way to ease
 into a college life, meet new people.
 Vaughn
 
> On 7/15/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Hi Donna and Devin,
> 
> Devin, if your as sheltered as you make it sound, Donnas suggestion of a
> community college would be a great idea, you would also get to meet many
> other people from all walks of life.
> 
> I’ve met truckloads of people from my studies at University
> I would tell my family where to get off if my parents had tried to put me
> into a group living situation.
> 
> 
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Friday, 15 July 2016 12:56 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: To Devon, (was This blind Apple engineer is 

Re: iOS 10 is a total mess

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I can't really go into any specifics, but I'll just say in my opinion, the 
iOS 10 beta even from the first day I got it with WWDC paid devs, was 
probably the most rock solid most stable beta I think that I've ever seen!


If anyone is saying iOS is a mess, they really need to look at things more 
objectively.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 

To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: iOS 10 is a total mess


Hi. I haven't read the whole article mainly because I can't open a reader 
window, but from what I've read, it seems like it's a total whine fest. I 
mean, has the guy used beta software before? It's called "beta" for a 
reason. There will be bugs, but who's to say that these bugs will remain in 
the next beta or even this fall? If you can't stand the bugs, don't install 
the beta. Plain and simple.


Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
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On Jul 15, 2016, at 11:33 AM, -  wrote:



http://www.zdnet.com/article/ios-10-is-a-total-mess/#ftag=RSSbaffb68

XB

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Re: A question I'd really like some serious thought to be given to regarding iOS.

[Ray Foret jr]

You mean you had this kind of exchange with Apple Accessibility?  My goodness.  
Maybe we need actual blind people working in that department:  then, we’d get 
some actually accurate information.  While I’m glad you showed him up on his 
ignorance, I’m not glad it took your effort to make it a reality.  Seems to me 
we’ve got a fair bit of work ahead of us.  Was he an American at least?


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

> On Jul 17, 2016, at 2:29 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> That's kind of what I had suspected to hear.  I just wanted to check.
>  
> What's worse is, when I spoke to Apple Accessibility over the phone, they 
> swore to god it was stupidly ridiculously accessible with Voiceover.
>  
> When I insisted to the guy, no it's not, he's like, all of our native Apple 
> apps are super accessible.
>  
> Just to kind of play with his head a bit, being we all know, that's just a 
> roundhanded assumption with no prior research, it's obvious, I said to him, 
> "Oh!  OK, so you're saying I can edit pictures, crop, remove red eye, adjust 
> brightness/tone, create and remove layers, remove shadowing, etc. with Apogy, 
> which is a photo editer."  He's like, well, no.  I never said that.  I'm 
> like, but you did!  You said all! Apple native apps work ridiculously well 
> with Voiceover.  He's like, OK, fine, not all do, but most do.  GB being one 
> of them.
>  
> I clarified with him I didn't mean on OSX, I meant on iOS.  He's like, yes.  
> I know that.  Yes, it's totally usable.
>  
> So, I grabbed my IPad and fired it up.  I asked him then to show me how to 
> import a karaoke track, lay down my vocals, and then add some effects to my 
> vocal track.
>  
> About 2 minutes into him trying to guide me through the screen, it was very 
> apparent to him that we were getting absolutely nowhere.
>  
> He's like, ok, this is imbarrassing.  I tell you all things we make are 
> accessible.  This thing's a piece of crap!  I'm like, Gee! Ya think?  Now!  
> What're we gonna do about it?
>  
> He's like I don't know.  I'll sent a ticket up to the engineers, but that's 
> about all I can do here.  In his defense, I'll grant him that.  But, I just 
> wish some of these reps would do their freaking homework before just up and 
> out yammerring something they don't honestly know the answer to.  I found 
> that extremely irritating!
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>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Jessica Moss 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 2:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: A question I'd really like some serious thought to be given to 
>> regarding iOS.
>> 
>> I find Garage band to be a real disappointment to work with as well, which 
>> is really upsetting to me.  My dad does a lot with it on his ipad, and 
>> uplodes it to facebook, so I thought I could possibly create some of those 
>> same tracks, until I tried in vain and after accidentally taping on drums I 
>> didn’t want, and not being able to correct them, then after watching him 
>> create tracks with his ipad, seeing how he was able to take them in and out 
>> on the fly, something you apparently can’t do with voiceover, and how 
>> knowing your musical notes helps (something I’m not good with) I’ve for the 
>> most part given it up.
>> 
>>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 7:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK guys,
>>>  
>>> First of all, no doubt, I get that this isn't gonna be the experience I'd 
>>> have on the mac OSX side of things with ProTools, or Logic, but I really 
>>> would like some serious thought on this.  I've got an IPad, and really 
>>> would like to know to what extent the accessibility is with the iOS version 
>>> of Garageband.  When I tried it last, I couldn't make any sense of its UI 
>>> at all.
>>>  
>>> I've had a few people from this list, don't remember who, who told me flat 
>>> out that Garageband did work with Voiceover on iOS.  They said I can bring 
>>> the on screen keyboard up, then can do little things like playing Mary had 
>>> a Little lamb, or hot cross buns.  OK, that's all fine and kiddy kiddy, 
>>> here, kiddy kiddy, nice, kiddy, but I wanna get some real brutally honest 
>>> answers here from people who may be a little above the level of Twinkle.  
>>> OK, inevitably, it's an on screen keyboard, so I'm not gonna really be able 
>>> to do Moonlight Sonata, or Hendel Messiah's Hallelujah chorus, LOL! Not 
>>> that I'd do those anyway, but point is, I know I'd be somewhat limited, but 
>>> really how much power do we have with Voiceover either on or off?  Keep i

Re: Looking for Slack feedback from voiceover users on OSX and IOS

[michael babcock]

Just sent a message to:
/feedback your feedback message here
In any of the chat edit boxes and this will open a new support ticket.
I just do find for “esc” and VO left from there, reads the messages backwards 
but works for me for now.
Thanks for the tip about setting the modifier key to padlock, can I set an 
activity to switch to this when I’m in slack or should I maybe just make it a 
normal practice of using caps lock?
If you press “option” first and hold it, then press “control” without letting 
option up, the VO keys work, but not the best solution.

> On Jul 16, 2016, at 10:06 PM, Chris Meredith  wrote:
> 
> One thing that I’ve found helps with Slack is to set the VO modifiers to 
> allow caps lock as an option.  My guess is that some sort of keyDown event 
> gets fired whenever any key that would register does so (I.e. Option, 
> particularly since it can be used to type extended characters), and pops 
> focus into the input field.  Caps lock is handled entirely by the OS 
> (illustrated nicely by how many hoops we have to jump through to pass that 
> key to VMware Fusion), and is thus not intercepted by Slack.
> Find is your friend.  Search for “new messages since” to find the date of the 
> last message, then search backward for that date to read what went on in your 
> absence.  One thing I can’t seem to do is close the pop-up windows such as, 
> for instance, the search box, short of closing and reopening the app.  If 
> Slack are engaging in public discourse with their blind users, I’d love to 
> chime in, since Slack seems to be part of my complete 
> breakfast set of tools I need at my employer.
>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 9:19 AM, michael babcock > > wrote:
>> 
>> So hears how I’m using the desktop app:
>> #1, try not to tap “Option” (that jumps focus back to edit box). I know 
>> kinda hard when using voiceover…
>> #2, use find for the text “esc” and that will take you to the end of the 
>> conversation (channel) your in.
>> #3, use command+option+left or right to jump between conversations you’ve 
>> opened since that instance of the app has been running.
>> Let me know if I can help any more :( and I hope they make it more 
>> accessible. Love the concept of it, and am actively using it with a VA out 
>> of India, so would love to have it working.
>> VOIP quality IMO is fairly good.
>> 
>>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 2:29 AM, Simon Fogarty >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks Michael,
>>>  
>>> I’ll go check this out , it might be worthwhile.
>>>  
>>> If only the desktop apps were more accessible, I’ll probanly have to use my 
>>> iPhone.
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>  ] On Behalf Of michael babcock
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2016 5:05 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: Looking for Slack feedback from voiceover users on OSX and IOS
>>>  
>>> Simon:
>>> Thanks for your message.
>>> Slack has created a #a11y organization, and they seem to be making things 
>>> better. I’ll post one of the messages I got from the team a few hours ago:
>>> "Hi Michael,
>>> Thanks for coming back to me. Yes, there is an existing team that the 
>>> accessibility community has created. This is a broad, public team on Slack 
>>> with the goal of collaborating on accessibility solutions, technologies, 
>>> etc. The current membership is already substantial and includes some of our 
>>> engineers and folks from our accessibility team. Please feel free to share 
>>> this with anyone who is interested.
>>> 
>>> Here's the link to request an invite: http://web-a11y.herokuapp.com 
>>> .
>>> 
>>> “
>>> And this was a follow-up to this message:
>>> "Bel (Slack)
>>> Jul 9, 9:32 PM PDT 
>>> 
>>> Hey there Michael,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for getting in touch! We would love to hear all your suggestions on 
>>> how we might improve the user experience for blind users.
>>> 
>>> Accessibility is something we are working very hard to improve and our 
>>> dedicated accessibility team are currently working on more features for our 
>>> vision-impaired users. Please do let us know what your initial thoughts are 
>>> on your experience and I will get our team involved from this side too.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for taking the time to offer your help and feedback on this Michael, 
>>> your insights are really valuable to our development.
>>> 
>>> Warmly,
>>> 
>>> -Bel"
>>> 
>>> Hit up @slackhq
>>> And type 
>>> /feedback your feedback here
>>> In any of the edit boxes on slack
>>> Note: in desktop app on Mac, hitting the option key seems to jump focus 
>>> back to the edit box, kinda makes things hard when using voiceover :)
>>>  
>>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 12:02 AM, Simon Fogarty >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi Michael,
>>>  
>>> Thanks for t

Re: A question I'd really like some serious thought to be given to regarding iOS.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yes, he was definitely American.  NOt sure why that really matters, but ok.  I 
mean, if you're asking did he speak english, then yes, absolutely.  He was 
apparently in the Austin call center.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Ray Foret jr 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 7:15 AM
  Subject: Re: A question I'd really like some serious thought to be given to 
regarding iOS.


  You mean you had this kind of exchange with Apple Accessibility?  My 
goodness.  Maybe we need actual blind people working in that department:  then, 
we’d get some actually accurate information.  While I’m glad you showed him up 
on his ignorance, I’m not glad it took your effort to make it a reality.  Seems 
to me we’ve got a fair bit of work ahead of us.  Was he an American at least?




  Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

  Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
  Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user! 


On Jul 17, 2016, at 2:29 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


That's kind of what I had suspected to hear.  I just wanted to check.

What's worse is, when I spoke to Apple Accessibility over the phone, they 
swore to god it was stupidly ridiculously accessible with Voiceover.

When I insisted to the guy, no it's not, he's like, all of our native Apple 
apps are super accessible.

Just to kind of play with his head a bit, being we all know, that's just a 
roundhanded assumption with no prior research, it's obvious, I said to him, 
"Oh!  OK, so you're saying I can edit pictures, crop, remove red eye, adjust 
brightness/tone, create and remove layers, remove shadowing, etc. with Apogy, 
which is a photo editer."  He's like, well, no.  I never said that.  I'm like, 
but you did!  You said all! Apple native apps work ridiculously well with 
Voiceover.  He's like, OK, fine, not all do, but most do.  GB being one of them.

I clarified with him I didn't mean on OSX, I meant on iOS.  He's like, yes. 
 I know that.  Yes, it's totally usable.

So, I grabbed my IPad and fired it up.  I asked him then to show me how to 
import a karaoke track, lay down my vocals, and then add some effects to my 
vocal track.

About 2 minutes into him trying to guide me through the screen, it was very 
apparent to him that we were getting absolutely nowhere.

He's like, ok, this is imbarrassing.  I tell you all things we make are 
accessible.  This thing's a piece of crap!  I'm like, Gee! Ya think?  Now!  
What're we gonna do about it?

He's like I don't know.  I'll sent a ticket up to the engineers, but that's 
about all I can do here.  In his defense, I'll grant him that.  But, I just 
wish some of these reps would do their freaking homework before just up and out 
yammerring something they don't honestly know the answer to.  I found that 
extremely irritating!
---
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Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jessica Moss
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 2:55 PM
  Subject: Re: A question I'd really like some serious thought to be given 
to regarding iOS.


  I find Garage band to be a real disappointment to work with as well, 
which is really upsetting to me.  My dad does a lot with it on his ipad, and 
uplodes it to facebook, so I thought I could possibly create some of those same 
tracks, until I tried in vain and after accidentally taping on drums I didn’t 
want, and not being able to correct them, then after watching him create tracks 
with his ipad, seeing how he was able to take them in and out on the fly, 
something you apparently can’t do with voiceover, and how knowing your musical 
notes helps (something I’m not good with) I’ve for the most part given it up.


On Jul 13, 2016, at 7:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


OK guys,

First of all, no doubt, I get that this isn't gonna be the experience 
I'd have on the mac OSX side of things with ProTools, or Logic, but I really 
would like some serious thought on this.  I've got an IPad, and really would 
like to know to what extent the accessibility is with the iOS version of 
Garageband.  When I tried it last, I couldn't make any sense of its UI at all.

I've had a few people from this list, don't remember who, who told me 
flat out that Garageband did work with Voiceover on iOS.  They said I can bring 
the on screen keyboard up, then can do little things like playing Mary had a 
Little lamb, or hot cross buns.  OK, that's all fine and kiddy kiddy, here, 
kiddy kiddy, nice, kiddy, but I wanna get some real brutally honest answers 
here from people who may be a little above the level of Twinkle.  O

Did I imagine

[Martin Brown]

Is it my imagination, that there used to be a key stroke to read
continuously using Voiceover. If true, was it 'VO keys plus the letter 'a'.
To stop reading, press the control key, and to start reading again press the
control key again.
I seem to remember that, when reading a newspaper that had each article
marked up as headers for example, when an article of interest was found
Voiceover could be set to read continuously and stopped with the above
commands.
The only command that comes close seems to be VO keys with the letter 'b' to
start reading from the beginning of a document, which is not a lot of use if
one wants to start continuous reading from any other point in a long or
multi headed document.
Martin

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Audible members: I just found a piece of gold!

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Have you ever been like me, wishing that you could strip the DRM out of your... 
ahim, legally? LOL! purchased Audible books, and convert them to an mp3?

Well, for $35, now, you can.  And may I add, this app is totally 100% 
accessible.

Basically, what it does is, it goes through your ITunes library and finds all 
audio books, be it Audible, or purchased directly from ITunes.  It then gives 
you a table, which by the way, you can do a keyword search if you have a lot, 
you select your books, hit convert, and presto!

This thing supports Flac, Wave, mp3, M4A, and I think maybe 1 or two others for 
the output formats.

It's gorgeous!  I've been converting all my books to losless flac, so that I 
could then play them through my Sonos wireless speaker set, as those things 
support Flac.  Trust me.  It is beautiful!

So, the name of the app is Tunekit Audio Book Converter.

You can learn more about it from

http://www.tunekit.com

They also have an M4V converter, but I've not tried it.

The book converter does have a trial.  It lets you convert the first 3 minutes 
of any book of your hcoice.  After that, you have to register.  It's very very 
very worth it though.

Their download page is at:

http://www.tunekit.com/download

and the direct link to the Book Converter DMG is:

http://www.tuneskit.com/download/AudiobookConvertforMac.dmg

They have a Windows version, but I have no clue of its accessibility, so buyer, 
beware.

Chris.

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Re: Did I imagine

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

VO+A definitely should work, yes.
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- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Brown" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 8:38 AM
Subject: Did I imagine



Is it my imagination, that there used to be a key stroke to read
continuously using Voiceover. If true, was it 'VO keys plus the letter 
'a'.
To stop reading, press the control key, and to start reading again press 
the

control key again.
I seem to remember that, when reading a newspaper that had each article
marked up as headers for example, when an article of interest was found
Voiceover could be set to read continuously and stopped with the above
commands.
The only command that comes close seems to be VO keys with the letter 'b' 
to
start reading from the beginning of a document, which is not a lot of use 
if

one wants to start continuous reading from any other point in a long or
multi headed document.
Martin

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Re: Did I imagine

[Craig Werner]

Hello, Martin.

You may well know this, but interacting with the text with
"VO-Shift-down arrow" before pressing "VO-A" may be helpful.

Craig


On 7/17/16, Martin Brown  wrote:
> Is it my imagination, that there used to be a key stroke to read
> continuously using Voiceover. If true, was it 'VO keys plus the letter 'a'.
> To stop reading, press the control key, and to start reading again press
> the
> control key again.
> I seem to remember that, when reading a newspaper that had each article
> marked up as headers for example, when an article of interest was found
> Voiceover could be set to read continuously and stopped with the above
> commands.
> The only command that comes close seems to be VO keys with the letter 'b'
> to
> start reading from the beginning of a document, which is not a lot of use
> if
> one wants to start continuous reading from any other point in a long or
> multi headed document.
> Martin
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Re: iOS 10 is a total mess

[Stacey Robinson]

How can I find out more about the public beta and can anyone download it?
Does it cost anything?
If this is offtopic please write me offlist.
Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

> On Jul 17, 2016, at 5:46 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> I can't really go into any specifics, but I'll just say in my opinion, the 
> iOS 10 beta even from the first day I got it with WWDC paid devs, was 
> probably the most rock solid most stable beta I think that I've ever seen!
> 
> If anyone is saying iOS is a mess, they really need to look at things more 
> objectively.
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> - Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 
> To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 5:47 AM
> Subject: Re: iOS 10 is a total mess
> 
> 
> Hi. I haven't read the whole article mainly because I can't open a reader 
> window, but from what I've read, it seems like it's a total whine fest. I 
> mean, has the guy used beta software before? It's called "beta" for a reason. 
> There will be bugs, but who's to say that these bugs will remain in the next 
> beta or even this fall? If you can't stand the bugs, don't install the beta. 
> Plain and simple.
> 
> Shawn
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>> On Jul 15, 2016, at 11:33 AM, -  wrote:
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>> 
>> 
>> http://www.zdnet.com/article/ios-10-is-a-total-mess/#ftag=RSSbaffb68
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>> XB
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Re: iOS 10 is a total mess

[Michael Babcock]

You can sign up for free at:
Http://beta.apple.com/
The directions will walk you threw getting it all set up!
That’s how you can join public beta for IOS and OSX.
HTH
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> On Jul 17, 2016, at 6:12 AM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> 
> How can I find out more about the public beta and can anyone download it?
> Does it cost anything?
> If this is offtopic please write me offlist.
> Peace,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>   
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2016, at 5:46 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I can't really go into any specifics, but I'll just say in my opinion, the 
>> iOS 10 beta even from the first day I got it with WWDC paid devs, was 
>> probably the most rock solid most stable beta I think that I've ever seen!
>> 
>> If anyone is saying iOS is a mess, they really need to look at things more 
>> objectively.
>> ---
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>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 
>> To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
>> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 5:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: iOS 10 is a total mess
>> 
>> 
>> Hi. I haven't read the whole article mainly because I can't open a reader 
>> window, but from what I've read, it seems like it's a total whine fest. I 
>> mean, has the guy used beta software before? It's called "beta" for a 
>> reason. There will be bugs, but who's to say that these bugs will remain in 
>> the next beta or even this fall? If you can't stand the bugs, don't install 
>> the beta. Plain and simple.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
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>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On Jul 15, 2016, at 11:33 AM, -  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.zdnet.com/article/ios-10-is-a-total-mess/#ftag=RSSbaffb68
>>> 
>>> XB
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Re: iOS 10 is a total mess

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

We can't really discuss anything about the beta, may on this list will tell 
you otherwise, but the terms say you can't, and I intend to abide by them.


That said, you can learn more about how to get the public beta from

http://beta.apple.com

if I'm not mistaking.
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- Original Message - 
From: "Stacey Robinson" 

To: "Macvisionaries" 
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: iOS 10 is a total mess


How can I find out more about the public beta and can anyone download it?
Does it cost anything?
If this is offtopic please write me offlist.
Peace,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

On Jul 17, 2016, at 5:46 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


I can't really go into any specifics, but I'll just say in my opinion, the 
iOS 10 beta even from the first day I got it with WWDC paid devs, was 
probably the most rock solid most stable beta I think that I've ever seen!


If anyone is saying iOS is a mess, they really need to look at things more 
objectively.

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- Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 
To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: iOS 10 is a total mess


Hi. I haven't read the whole article mainly because I can't open a reader 
window, but from what I've read, it seems like it's a total whine fest. I 
mean, has the guy used beta software before? It's called "beta" for a 
reason. There will be bugs, but who's to say that these bugs will remain 
in the next beta or even this fall? If you can't stand the bugs, don't 
install the beta. Plain and simple.


Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com


On Jul 15, 2016, at 11:33 AM, -  wrote:



http://www.zdnet.com/article/ios-10-is-a-total-mess/#ftag=RSSbaffb68

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Re: iOS 10 is a total mess

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Note, if that link I just provided doesn't work, then try

http://www.apple.com/beta

I'm pretty sure it's the first of those though.
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- Original Message - 
From: "Stacey Robinson" 

To: "Macvisionaries" 
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: iOS 10 is a total mess


How can I find out more about the public beta and can anyone download it?
Does it cost anything?
If this is offtopic please write me offlist.
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On Jul 17, 2016, at 5:46 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


I can't really go into any specifics, but I'll just say in my opinion, the 
iOS 10 beta even from the first day I got it with WWDC paid devs, was 
probably the most rock solid most stable beta I think that I've ever seen!


If anyone is saying iOS is a mess, they really need to look at things more 
objectively.

---
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clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 
To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: iOS 10 is a total mess


Hi. I haven't read the whole article mainly because I can't open a reader 
window, but from what I've read, it seems like it's a total whine fest. I 
mean, has the guy used beta software before? It's called "beta" for a 
reason. There will be bugs, but who's to say that these bugs will remain 
in the next beta or even this fall? If you can't stand the bugs, don't 
install the beta. Plain and simple.


Shawn
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On Jul 15, 2016, at 11:33 AM, -  wrote:



http://www.zdnet.com/article/ios-10-is-a-total-mess/#ftag=RSSbaffb68

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Re: A question I'd really like some serious thought to be given to regarding iOS.

[E.T.]

   If you had played "head games" with someone much higher up the 
ladder, like Tim Cook, then maybe you can feel like you accomplished 
something. Not this person you spoke to who is paid to TRY to assist 
people with accessibility questions. And I can think of a couple or 
three people on this group who would be absolutely wonderful in that 
position behind the phones at Apple. It would be downright disrespectful 
to play games with them.


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On 7/17/2016 12:29 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

That's kind of what I had suspected to hear.  I just wanted to check.

What's worse is, when I spoke to Apple Accessibility over the phone,
they swore to god it was stupidly ridiculously accessible with Voiceover.

When I insisted to the guy, no it's not, he's like, all of our native
Apple apps are super accessible.

Just to kind of play with his head a bit, being we all know, that's just
a roundhanded assumption with no prior research, it's obvious, I said to
him, "Oh!  OK, so you're saying I can edit pictures, crop, remove red
eye, adjust brightness/tone, create and remove layers, remove shadowing,
etc. with Apogy, which is a photo editer."  He's like, well, no.  I
never said that.  I'm like, but you did!  You said all! Apple native
apps work ridiculously well with Voiceover.  He's like, OK, fine, not
all do, but most do.  GB being one of them.

I clarified with him I didn't mean on OSX, I meant on iOS.  He's like,
yes.  I know that.  Yes, it's totally usable.

So, I grabbed my IPad and fired it up.  I asked him then to show me how
to import a karaoke track, lay down my vocals, and then add some effects
to my vocal track.

About 2 minutes into him trying to guide me through the screen, it was
very apparent to him that we were getting absolutely nowhere.

He's like, ok, this is imbarrassing.  I tell you all things we make are
accessible.  This thing's a piece of crap!  I'm like, Gee! Ya think?
Now!  What're we gonna do about it?

He's like I don't know.  I'll sent a ticket up to the engineers, but
that's about all I can do here.  In his defense, I'll grant him that.
But, I just wish some of these reps would do their freaking homework
before just up and out yammerring something they don't honestly know the
answer to.  I found that extremely irritating!
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- Original Message -
*From:* Jessica Moss 
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

*Sent:* Saturday, July 16, 2016 2:55 PM
*Subject:* Re: A question I'd really like some serious thought to be
given to regarding iOS.

I find Garage band to be a real disappointment to work with as well,
which is really upsetting to me.  My dad does a lot with it on his
ipad, and uplodes it to facebook, so I thought I could possibly
create some of those same tracks, until I tried in vain and after
accidentally taping on drums I didn’t want, and not being able to
correct them, then after watching him create tracks with his ipad,
seeing how he was able to take them in and out on the fly, something
you apparently can’t do with voiceover, and how knowing your musical
notes helps (something I’m not good with) I’ve for the most part
given it up.


On Jul 13, 2016, at 7:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:

OK guys,

First of all, no doubt, I get that this isn't gonna be the
experience I'd have on the mac OSX side of things with ProTools,
or Logic, but I really would like some serious thought on this.
I've got an IPad, and really would like to know to what extent the
accessibility is with the iOS version of Garageband.  When I tried
it last, I couldn't make any sense of its UI at all.

I've had a few people from this list, don't remember who, who told
me flat out that Garageband did work with Voiceover on iOS.  They
said I can bring the on screen keyboard up, then can do little
things like playing Mary had a Little lamb, or hot cross buns.
OK, that's all fine and kiddy kiddy, here, kiddy kiddy, nice,
kiddy, but I wanna get some real brutally honest answers here from
people who may be a little above the level of Twinkle.  OK,
inevitably, it's an on screen keyboard, so I'm not gonna really be
able to do Moonlight Sonata, or Hendel Messiah's Hallelujah
chorus, LOL! Not that I'd do those anyway, but point is, I know
I'd be somewhat limited, but really how much power do we have with
Voiceover either on or off?  Keep in mind, though I have some
vision, if I turned off Voiceover, I really don't have enough
usable sight to do anything all that productive, not even with Zoom.

Ultimately, what I'd like t

Re: A question I'd really like some serious thought to be given to regarding iOS.

[Ray Foret jr]

A bit of a mind blower nevertheless wouldn’t you agree?


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

> On Jul 17, 2016, at 6:58 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes, he was definitely American.  NOt sure why that really matters, but ok.  
> I mean, if you're asking did he speak english, then yes, absolutely.  He was 
> apparently in the Austin call center.
> ---
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> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
>  
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> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Ray Foret jr 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 7:15 AM
>> Subject: Re: A question I'd really like some serious thought to be given to 
>> regarding iOS.
>> 
>> You mean you had this kind of exchange with Apple Accessibility?  My 
>> goodness.  Maybe we need actual blind people working in that department:  
>> then, we’d get some actually accurate information.  While I’m glad you 
>> showed him up on his ignorance, I’m not glad it took your effort to make it 
>> a reality.  Seems to me we’ve got a fair bit of work ahead of us.  Was he an 
>> American at least?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user! 
>> 
>>> On Jul 17, 2016, at 2:29 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That's kind of what I had suspected to hear.  I just wanted to check.
>>>  
>>> What's worse is, when I spoke to Apple Accessibility over the phone, they 
>>> swore to god it was stupidly ridiculously accessible with Voiceover.
>>>  
>>> When I insisted to the guy, no it's not, he's like, all of our native Apple 
>>> apps are super accessible.
>>>  
>>> Just to kind of play with his head a bit, being we all know, that's just a 
>>> roundhanded assumption with no prior research, it's obvious, I said to him, 
>>> "Oh!  OK, so you're saying I can edit pictures, crop, remove red eye, 
>>> adjust brightness/tone, create and remove layers, remove shadowing, etc. 
>>> with Apogy, which is a photo editer."  He's like, well, no.  I never said 
>>> that.  I'm like, but you did!  You said all! Apple native apps work 
>>> ridiculously well with Voiceover.  He's like, OK, fine, not all do, but 
>>> most do.  GB being one of them.
>>>  
>>> I clarified with him I didn't mean on OSX, I meant on iOS.  He's like, yes. 
>>>  I know that.  Yes, it's totally usable.
>>>  
>>> So, I grabbed my IPad and fired it up.  I asked him then to show me how to 
>>> import a karaoke track, lay down my vocals, and then add some effects to my 
>>> vocal track.
>>>  
>>> About 2 minutes into him trying to guide me through the screen, it was very 
>>> apparent to him that we were getting absolutely nowhere.
>>>  
>>> He's like, ok, this is imbarrassing.  I tell you all things we make are 
>>> accessible.  This thing's a piece of crap!  I'm like, Gee! Ya think?  Now!  
>>> What're we gonna do about it?
>>>  
>>> He's like I don't know.  I'll sent a ticket up to the engineers, but that's 
>>> about all I can do here.  In his defense, I'll grant him that.  But, I just 
>>> wish some of these reps would do their freaking homework before just up and 
>>> out yammerring something they don't honestly know the answer to.  I found 
>>> that extremely irritating!
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>>  
>>> clgillan...@gmail.com 
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Jessica Moss 
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 2:55 PM
 Subject: Re: A question I'd really like some serious thought to be given 
 to regarding iOS.
 
 I find Garage band to be a real disappointment to work with as well, which 
 is really upsetting to me.  My dad does a lot with it on his ipad, and 
 uplodes it to facebook, so I thought I could possibly create some of those 
 same tracks, until I tried in vain and after accidentally taping on drums 
 I didn’t want, and not being able to correct them, then after watching him 
 create tracks with his ipad, seeing how he was able to take them in and 
 out on the fly, something you apparently can’t do with voiceover, and how 
 knowing your musical notes helps (something I’m not good with) I’ve for 
 the most part given it up.
 
> On Jul 13, 2016, at 7:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
> mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> OK guys,

Re: A question I'd really like some serious thought to be given to regarding iOS.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Well, yeah.  I didn't say it wasn't.  LOL!
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Ray Foret jr 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 10:37 AM
  Subject: Re: A question I'd really like some serious thought to be given to 
regarding iOS.


  A bit of a mind blower nevertheless wouldn’t you agree?




  Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

  Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
  Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user! 


On Jul 17, 2016, at 6:58 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Yes, he was definitely American.  NOt sure why that really matters, but ok. 
 I mean, if you're asking did he speak english, then yes, absolutely.  He was 
apparently in the Austin call center.
---
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JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ray Foret jr
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 7:15 AM
  Subject: Re: A question I'd really like some serious thought to be given 
to regarding iOS.


  You mean you had this kind of exchange with Apple Accessibility?  My 
goodness.  Maybe we need actual blind people working in that department:  then, 
we’d get some actually accurate information.  While I’m glad you showed him up 
on his ignorance, I’m not glad it took your effort to make it a reality.  Seems 
to me we’ve got a fair bit of work ahead of us.  Was he an American at least?




  Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

  Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
  Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user! 


On Jul 17, 2016, at 2:29 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


That's kind of what I had suspected to hear.  I just wanted to check.

What's worse is, when I spoke to Apple Accessibility over the phone, 
they swore to god it was stupidly ridiculously accessible with Voiceover.

When I insisted to the guy, no it's not, he's like, all of our native 
Apple apps are super accessible.

Just to kind of play with his head a bit, being we all know, that's 
just a roundhanded assumption with no prior research, it's obvious, I said to 
him, "Oh!  OK, so you're saying I can edit pictures, crop, remove red eye, 
adjust brightness/tone, create and remove layers, remove shadowing, etc. with 
Apogy, which is a photo editer."  He's like, well, no.  I never said that.  I'm 
like, but you did!  You said all! Apple native apps work ridiculously well with 
Voiceover.  He's like, OK, fine, not all do, but most do.  GB being one of them.

I clarified with him I didn't mean on OSX, I meant on iOS.  He's like, 
yes.  I know that.  Yes, it's totally usable.

So, I grabbed my IPad and fired it up.  I asked him then to show me how 
to import a karaoke track, lay down my vocals, and then add some effects to my 
vocal track.

About 2 minutes into him trying to guide me through the screen, it was 
very apparent to him that we were getting absolutely nowhere.

He's like, ok, this is imbarrassing.  I tell you all things we make are 
accessible.  This thing's a piece of crap!  I'm like, Gee! Ya think?  Now!  
What're we gonna do about it?

He's like I don't know.  I'll sent a ticket up to the engineers, but 
that's about all I can do here.  In his defense, I'll grant him that.  But, I 
just wish some of these reps would do their freaking homework before just up 
and out yammerring something they don't honestly know the answer to.  I found 
that extremely irritating!
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Jessica Moss
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  Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 2:55 PM
  Subject: Re: A question I'd really like some serious thought to be 
given to regarding iOS.


  I find Garage band to be a real disappointment to work with as well, 
which is really upsetting to me.  My dad does a lot with it on his ipad, and 
uplodes it to facebook, so I thought I could possibly create some of those same 
tracks, until I tried in vain and after accidentally taping on drums I didn’t 
want, and not being able to correct them, then after watching him create tracks 
with his ipad, seeing how he was able to take them in and out on the fly, 
something you apparently can’t do with voiceover, and how knowing your musical 
notes helps (something I’m not good with) I’ve for the most part given it up.


On Jul 13, 2016, at 7:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 

Re: iOS 10 is a total mess

[christopher hallsworth]

No we can’t, but the question looks ok.

The public beta is for anyone with an Apple ID. It costs nothing unlike the 
developer betas which are at no additional charge once you pay the $99 annual 
fee to gain access to them.
> On 17 Jul 2016, at 14:47, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> We can't really discuss anything about the beta, may on this list will tell 
> you otherwise, but the terms say you can't, and I intend to abide by them.
> 
> That said, you can learn more about how to get the public beta from
> 
> http://beta.apple.com
> 
> if I'm not mistaking.
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> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
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> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "Stacey Robinson" 
> To: "Macvisionaries" 
> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 9:12 AM
> Subject: Re: iOS 10 is a total mess
> 
> 
> How can I find out more about the public beta and can anyone download it?
> Does it cost anything?
> If this is offtopic please write me offlist.
> Peace,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
> 
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2016, at 5:46 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I can't really go into any specifics, but I'll just say in my opinion, the 
>> iOS 10 beta even from the first day I got it with WWDC paid devs, was 
>> probably the most rock solid most stable beta I think that I've ever seen!
>> 
>> If anyone is saying iOS is a mess, they really need to look at things more 
>> objectively.
>> ---
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>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 
>> To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
>> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 5:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: iOS 10 is a total mess
>> 
>> 
>> Hi. I haven't read the whole article mainly because I can't open a reader 
>> window, but from what I've read, it seems like it's a total whine fest. I 
>> mean, has the guy used beta software before? It's called "beta" for a 
>> reason. There will be bugs, but who's to say that these bugs will remain in 
>> the next beta or even this fall? If you can't stand the bugs, don't install 
>> the beta. Plain and simple.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
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>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On Jul 15, 2016, at 11:33 AM, -  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.zdnet.com/article/ios-10-is-a-total-mess/#ftag=RSSbaffb68
>>> 
>>> XB
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Re: iOS 10 is a total mess

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I didn't have an issue with the question.  That's why I gave the link I did.
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- Original Message - 
From: "christopher hallsworth" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: iOS 10 is a total mess


No we can’t, but the question looks ok.

The public beta is for anyone with an Apple ID. It costs nothing unlike the 
developer betas which are at no additional charge once you pay the $99 
annual fee to gain access to them.
On 17 Jul 2016, at 14:47, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


We can't really discuss anything about the beta, may on this list will 
tell you otherwise, but the terms say you can't, and I intend to abide by 
them.


That said, you can learn more about how to get the public beta from

http://beta.apple.com

if I'm not mistaking.
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- Original Message - From: "Stacey Robinson" 


To: "Macvisionaries" 
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: iOS 10 is a total mess


How can I find out more about the public beta and can anyone download it?
Does it cost anything?
If this is offtopic please write me offlist.
Peace,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

On Jul 17, 2016, at 5:46 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


I can't really go into any specifics, but I'll just say in my opinion, 
the iOS 10 beta even from the first day I got it with WWDC paid devs, was 
probably the most rock solid most stable beta I think that I've ever 
seen!


If anyone is saying iOS is a mess, they really need to look at things 
more objectively.

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- Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 
To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: iOS 10 is a total mess


Hi. I haven't read the whole article mainly because I can't open a reader 
window, but from what I've read, it seems like it's a total whine fest. I 
mean, has the guy used beta software before? It's called "beta" for a 
reason. There will be bugs, but who's to say that these bugs will remain 
in the next beta or even this fall? If you can't stand the bugs, don't 
install the beta. Plain and simple.


Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com


On Jul 15, 2016, at 11:33 AM, -  wrote:



http://www.zdnet.com/article/ios-10-is-a-total-mess/#ftag=RSSbaffb68

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Re: iOS 10 is a total mess

[christopher hallsworth]

Christopher, I absolutely concur with you. Nough said.
> On 17 Jul 2016, at 11:46, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> I can't really go into any specifics, but I'll just say in my opinion, the 
> iOS 10 beta even from the first day I got it with WWDC paid devs, was 
> probably the most rock solid most stable beta I think that I've ever seen!
> 
> If anyone is saying iOS is a mess, they really need to look at things more 
> objectively.
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> - Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 
> To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 5:47 AM
> Subject: Re: iOS 10 is a total mess
> 
> 
> Hi. I haven't read the whole article mainly because I can't open a reader 
> window, but from what I've read, it seems like it's a total whine fest. I 
> mean, has the guy used beta software before? It's called "beta" for a reason. 
> There will be bugs, but who's to say that these bugs will remain in the next 
> beta or even this fall? If you can't stand the bugs, don't install the beta. 
> Plain and simple.
> 
> Shawn
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>> On Jul 15, 2016, at 11:33 AM, -  wrote:
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>> 
>> 
>> http://www.zdnet.com/article/ios-10-is-a-total-mess/#ftag=RSSbaffb68
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>> XB
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Re: iOS 10 is a total mess

[matthew dyer]

Stacy,


Go to beta.apple.com  You can find out all the info there.


Matthew




On 07/17/2016 09:12 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

How can I find out more about the public beta and can anyone download it?
Does it cost anything?
If this is offtopic please write me offlist.
Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net


On Jul 17, 2016, at 5:46 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

I can't really go into any specifics, but I'll just say in my opinion, the iOS 
10 beta even from the first day I got it with WWDC paid devs, was probably the 
most rock solid most stable beta I think that I've ever seen!

If anyone is saying iOS is a mess, they really need to look at things more 
objectively.
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- Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 
To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: iOS 10 is a total mess


Hi. I haven't read the whole article mainly because I can't open a reader window, but 
from what I've read, it seems like it's a total whine fest. I mean, has the guy used beta 
software before? It's called "beta" for a reason. There will be bugs, but who's 
to say that these bugs will remain in the next beta or even this fall? If you can't stand 
the bugs, don't install the beta. Plain and simple.

Shawn
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Re: Audible members: I just found a piece of gold!

[Joshua Tubbs]

I love Inaudible myself. Someone sent it to me for free and it allows for 
folders to be created with chapter splitting and a few formats, including Flac. 
For the record, I do not know where to get the app and I believe it is free 
originally, so I did not pirate it.
HTH.

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> Have you ever been like me, wishing that you could strip the DRM out of 
> your... ahim, legally? LOL! purchased Audible books, and convert them to an 
> mp3?
>  
> Well, for $35, now, you can.  And may I add, this app is totally 100% 
> accessible.
>  
> Basically, what it does is, it goes through your ITunes library and finds all 
> audio books, be it Audible, or purchased directly from ITunes.  It then gives 
> you a table, which by the way, you can do a keyword search if you have a lot, 
> you select your books, hit convert, and presto!
>  
> This thing supports Flac, Wave, mp3, M4A, and I think maybe 1 or two others 
> for the output formats.
>  
> It's gorgeous!  I've been converting all my books to losless flac, so that I 
> could then play them through my Sonos wireless speaker set, as those things 
> support Flac.  Trust me.  It is beautiful!
>  
> So, the name of the app is Tunekit Audio Book Converter.
>  
> You can learn more about it from
>  
> http://www.tunekit.com 
>  
> They also have an M4V converter, but I've not tried it.
>  
> The book converter does have a trial.  It lets you convert the first 3 
> minutes of any book of your hcoice.  After that, you have to register.  It's 
> very very very worth it though.
>  
> Their download page is at:
>  
> http://www.tunekit.com/download 
>  
> and the direct link to the Book Converter DMG is:
>  
> http://www.tuneskit.com/download/AudiobookConvertforMac.dmg 
> 
>  
> They have a Windows version, but I have no clue of its accessibility, so 
> buyer, beware.
>  
> Chris.
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Re: Audible members: I just found a piece of gold!

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

That's one thing I can't do with Tunekit is split the thing up into mp3's based 
on the chapters.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Joshua Tubbs 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 12:31 PM
  Subject: Re: Audible members: I just found a piece of gold!


  I love Inaudible myself. Someone sent it to me for free and it allows for 
folders to be created with chapter splitting and a few formats, including Flac. 
For the record, I do not know where to get the app and I believe it is free 
originally, so I did not pirate it.
  HTH.


On Jul 17, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Have you ever been like me, wishing that you could strip the DRM out of 
your... ahim, legally? LOL! purchased Audible books, and convert them to an mp3?

Well, for $35, now, you can.  And may I add, this app is totally 100% 
accessible.

Basically, what it does is, it goes through your ITunes library and finds 
all audio books, be it Audible, or purchased directly from ITunes.  It then 
gives you a table, which by the way, you can do a keyword search if you have a 
lot, you select your books, hit convert, and presto!

This thing supports Flac, Wave, mp3, M4A, and I think maybe 1 or two others 
for the output formats.

It's gorgeous!  I've been converting all my books to losless flac, so that 
I could then play them through my Sonos wireless speaker set, as those things 
support Flac.  Trust me.  It is beautiful!

So, the name of the app is Tunekit Audio Book Converter.

You can learn more about it from

http://www.tunekit.com

They also have an M4V converter, but I've not tried it.

The book converter does have a trial.  It lets you convert the first 3 
minutes of any book of your hcoice.  After that, you have to register.  It's 
very very very worth it though.

Their download page is at:

http://www.tunekit.com/download

and the direct link to the Book Converter DMG is:

http://www.tuneskit.com/download/AudiobookConvertforMac.dmg

They have a Windows version, but I have no clue of its accessibility, so 
buyer, beware.

Chris.


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Re: VMware Fusion: When the keyboard commands are not being sent to WIndows

[Joshua Tubbs]

Well, when focus is in the VM, CTRL-G seems to do the trick in keeping it there.

> On Jul 16, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> control-` is I believe supposed to switch you around windows in Fusion. Other 
> possibilities:
> 
> 1. Make sure VO touch pad functions are disabled and three finger swipe to a 
> the fusion full screen desktop.
> 2. Use Mission control to switch windows or desktops. It seems that a four 
> finger swipe up will always bring up mission control. Mission control has 
> three sections the first if clicked on creates a new desktop. The second lets 
> you switch to or close a desktop and the third lists all windows. You do need 
> to use interaction for the second and third section.
> 
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2016, at 12:00 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> you can tab over to unity then alt tab I believe it is back  and focus drops 
>> in to the VM.  Also, command F5 and shut off voice over while in the VM, 
>> that helps me greatly but might not meet your needs.
>> 
>> Just my $.02
>> 
>>> On Jul 15, 2016, at 8:49 PM, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> I was able to install Windows 10 as a Virtual Machine. I pressed command, 
>>> which is Windows key, and suddenly tab or any other command was being sent 
>>> to the Mac tabbing to suspend, Unity etc.
>>> Is there a way to avoid this? Furthermore, when this happens, how do I 
>>> start sending keys to Windows again? Currently, I have to quit Fusion and 
>>> start it up again. CMD-G used to work, not anymore.
>>> 
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Tim and others,
   I do not think this was mentioned. If TM is on menu extras (enabled 
in Time Machine preferences), there is a menu selection labeled Enter 
Time Machine. In this window that displays are the time lines.


   I know one can delete TM backups here but how, I have not figured 
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Re: Audible members: I just found a piece of gold!

[Caitlyn Furness]

what I am wondering is how to get my audible books off my i phone and onto the 
mac..
Cait

> On Jul 17, 2016, at 12:32 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> That's one thing I can't do with Tunekit is split the thing up into mp3's 
> based on the chapters.
>  
> Chris.
>  
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>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Joshua Tubbs 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 12:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: Audible members: I just found a piece of gold!
>> 
>> I love Inaudible myself. Someone sent it to me for free and it allows for 
>> folders to be created with chapter splitting and a few formats, including 
>> Flac. For the record, I do not know where to get the app and I believe it is 
>> free originally, so I did not pirate it.
>> HTH.
>> 
>>> On Jul 17, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Have you ever been like me, wishing that you could strip the DRM out of 
>>> your... ahim, legally? LOL! purchased Audible books, and convert them to an 
>>> mp3?
>>>  
>>> Well, for $35, now, you can.  And may I add, this app is totally 100% 
>>> accessible.
>>>  
>>> Basically, what it does is, it goes through your ITunes library and finds 
>>> all audio books, be it Audible, or purchased directly from ITunes.  It then 
>>> gives you a table, which by the way, you can do a keyword search if you 
>>> have a lot, you select your books, hit convert, and presto!
>>>  
>>> This thing supports Flac, Wave, mp3, M4A, and I think maybe 1 or two others 
>>> for the output formats.
>>>  
>>> It's gorgeous!  I've been converting all my books to losless flac, so that 
>>> I could then play them through my Sonos wireless speaker set, as those 
>>> things support Flac.  Trust me.  It is beautiful!
>>>  
>>> So, the name of the app is Tunekit Audio Book Converter.
>>>  
>>> You can learn more about it from
>>>  
>>> http://www.tunekit.com 
>>>  
>>> They also have an M4V converter, but I've not tried it.
>>>  
>>> The book converter does have a trial.  It lets you convert the first 3 
>>> minutes of any book of your hcoice.  After that, you have to register.  
>>> It's very very very worth it though.
>>>  
>>> Their download page is at:
>>>  
>>> http://www.tunekit.com/download 
>>>  
>>> and the direct link to the Book Converter DMG is:
>>>  
>>> http://www.tuneskit.com/download/AudiobookConvertforMac.dmg 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> They have a Windows version, but I have no clue of its accessibility, so 
>>> buyer, beware.
>>>  
>>> Chris.
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Re: Audible members: I just found a piece of gold!

[Kimberly]

Why don't you try downloading them from the audible website to the Mac. 

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

> On Jul 17, 2016, at 1:49 PM, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
> 
> what I am wondering is how to get my audible books off my i phone and onto 
> the mac..
> Cait
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2016, at 12:32 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> That's one thing I can't do with Tunekit is split the thing up into mp3's 
>> based on the chapters.
>>  
>> Chris.
>>  
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>>  
>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: Joshua Tubbs
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 12:31 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Audible members: I just found a piece of gold!
>>> 
>>> I love Inaudible myself. Someone sent it to me for free and it allows for 
>>> folders to be created with chapter splitting and a few formats, including 
>>> Flac. For the record, I do not know where to get the app and I believe it 
>>> is free originally, so I did not pirate it.
>>> HTH.
>>> 
 On Jul 17, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:
 
 Have you ever been like me, wishing that you could strip the DRM out of 
 your... ahim, legally? LOL! purchased Audible books, and convert them to 
 an mp3?
  
 Well, for $35, now, you can.  And may I add, this app is totally 100% 
 accessible.
  
 Basically, what it does is, it goes through your ITunes library and finds 
 all audio books, be it Audible, or purchased directly from ITunes.  It 
 then gives you a table, which by the way, you can do a keyword search if 
 you have a lot, you select your books, hit convert, and presto!
  
 This thing supports Flac, Wave, mp3, M4A, and I think maybe 1 or two 
 others for the output formats.
  
 It's gorgeous!  I've been converting all my books to losless flac, so that 
 I could then play them through my Sonos wireless speaker set, as those 
 things support Flac.  Trust me.  It is beautiful!
  
 So, the name of the app is Tunekit Audio Book Converter.
  
 You can learn more about it from
  
 http://www.tunekit.com
  
 They also have an M4V converter, but I've not tried it.
  
 The book converter does have a trial.  It lets you convert the first 3 
 minutes of any book of your hcoice.  After that, you have to register.  
 It's very very very worth it though.
  
 Their download page is at:
  
 http://www.tunekit.com/download
  
 and the direct link to the Book Converter DMG is:
  
 http://www.tuneskit.com/download/AudiobookConvertforMac.dmg
  
 They have a Windows version, but I have no clue of its accessibility, so 
 buyer, beware.
  
 Chris.
 
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Thank you Craig

[Martin Brown]

That's  what I was doing wrong in this instance Craig. Forgot to interact. A
big thank you.
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Re: Audible members: I just found a piece of gold!

[Caitlyn Furness]

Um.. because I didn’t know that was an option!

thanks!
Cait

> On Jul 17, 2016, at 1:51 PM, Kimberly  wrote:
> 
> Why don't you try downloading them from the audible website to the Mac. 
> 
> Sent from Kimber's iPhone
> 
> On Jul 17, 2016, at 1:49 PM, Caitlyn Furness  > wrote:
> 
>> what I am wondering is how to get my audible books off my i phone and onto 
>> the mac..
>> Cait
>> 
>>> On Jul 17, 2016, at 12:32 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That's one thing I can't do with Tunekit is split the thing up into mp3's 
>>> based on the chapters.
>>>  
>>> Chris.
>>>  
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>>  
>>> clgillan...@gmail.com 
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Joshua Tubbs 
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 12:31 PM
 Subject: Re: Audible members: I just found a piece of gold!
 
 I love Inaudible myself. Someone sent it to me for free and it allows for 
 folders to be created with chapter splitting and a few formats, including 
 Flac. For the record, I do not know where to get the app and I believe it 
 is free originally, so I did not pirate it.
 HTH.
 
> On Jul 17, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
> mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Have you ever been like me, wishing that you could strip the DRM out of 
> your... ahim, legally? LOL! purchased Audible books, and convert them to 
> an mp3?
>  
> Well, for $35, now, you can.  And may I add, this app is totally 100% 
> accessible.
>  
> Basically, what it does is, it goes through your ITunes library and finds 
> all audio books, be it Audible, or purchased directly from ITunes.  It 
> then gives you a table, which by the way, you can do a keyword search if 
> you have a lot, you select your books, hit convert, and presto!
>  
> This thing supports Flac, Wave, mp3, M4A, and I think maybe 1 or two 
> others for the output formats.
>  
> It's gorgeous!  I've been converting all my books to losless flac, so 
> that I could then play them through my Sonos wireless speaker set, as 
> those things support Flac.  Trust me.  It is beautiful!
>  
> So, the name of the app is Tunekit Audio Book Converter.
>  
> You can learn more about it from
>  
> http://www.tunekit.com 
>  
> They also have an M4V converter, but I've not tried it.
>  
> The book converter does have a trial.  It lets you convert the first 3 
> minutes of any book of your hcoice.  After that, you have to register.  
> It's very very very worth it though.
>  
> Their download page is at:
>  
> http://www.tunekit.com/download 
>  
> and the direct link to the Book Converter DMG is:
>  
> http://www.tuneskit.com/download/AudiobookConvertforMac.dmg 
> 
>  
> They have a Windows version, but I have no clue of its accessibility, so 
> buyer, beware.
>  
> Chris.
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Re: Audible members: I just found a piece of gold!

[Kimber Gardner]

Glad I could help.

Sent from Kimber's iPad

> On Jul 17, 2016, at 2:07 PM, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
> 
> Um.. because I didn’t know that was an option!
> 
> thanks!
> Cait
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2016, at 1:51 PM, Kimberly  wrote:
>> 
>> Why don't you try downloading them from the audible website to the Mac. 
>> 
>> Sent from Kimber's iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 17, 2016, at 1:49 PM, Caitlyn Furness  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> what I am wondering is how to get my audible books off my i phone and onto 
>>> the mac..
>>> Cait
>>> 
 On Jul 17, 2016, at 12:32 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:
 
 That's one thing I can't do with Tunekit is split the thing up into mp3's 
 based on the chapters.
  
 Chris.
  
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 JAWS Certified, 2016.
 Training Instructor.
  
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 Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - 
> From: Joshua Tubbs
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 12:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Audible members: I just found a piece of gold!
> 
> I love Inaudible myself. Someone sent it to me for free and it allows for 
> folders to be created with chapter splitting and a few formats, including 
> Flac. For the record, I do not know where to get the app and I believe it 
> is free originally, so I did not pirate it.
> HTH.
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Have you ever been like me, wishing that you could strip the DRM out of 
>> your... ahim, legally? LOL! purchased Audible books, and convert them to 
>> an mp3?
>>  
>> Well, for $35, now, you can.  And may I add, this app is totally 100% 
>> accessible.
>>  
>> Basically, what it does is, it goes through your ITunes library and 
>> finds all audio books, be it Audible, or purchased directly from ITunes. 
>>  It then gives you a table, which by the way, you can do a keyword 
>> search if you have a lot, you select your books, hit convert, and presto!
>>  
>> This thing supports Flac, Wave, mp3, M4A, and I think maybe 1 or two 
>> others for the output formats.
>>  
>> It's gorgeous!  I've been converting all my books to losless flac, so 
>> that I could then play them through my Sonos wireless speaker set, as 
>> those things support Flac.  Trust me.  It is beautiful!
>>  
>> So, the name of the app is Tunekit Audio Book Converter.
>>  
>> You can learn more about it from
>>  
>> http://www.tunekit.com
>>  
>> They also have an M4V converter, but I've not tried it.
>>  
>> The book converter does have a trial.  It lets you convert the first 3 
>> minutes of any book of your hcoice.  After that, you have to register.  
>> It's very very very worth it though.
>>  
>> Their download page is at:
>>  
>> http://www.tunekit.com/download
>>  
>> and the direct link to the Book Converter DMG is:
>>  
>> http://www.tuneskit.com/download/AudiobookConvertforMac.dmg
>>  
>> They have a Windows version, but I have no clue of its accessibility, so 
>> buyer, beware.
>>  
>> Chris.
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Re: Time Machine

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

>From the Time Machine area that you mention here, you can delete backups of 
>specific folders or files.  For example, from the Finder, press cmd-shift-h to 
>open your Home folder, then go up to the Time Machine extras menu and activate 
>the Enter Time Machine item.  As long as your Time Machine disk is available, 
>you'll hear a few swishes and ticks, then a new window will open displaying 
>the same list of folders in your Home folder, but this one is your Time 
>Machine versions of these items.  So, if you wished to delete all the old 
>backups of your iTunes folder, you'd open the Music folder, select the iTunes 
>folder, then navigate to the Toolbar and interact with it.  In the Toolbar, 
>there is an Action menu item, VO-space on that and choose Delete All Backups 
>of this item.  Therefore, all previous backups of your iTunes folder will be 
>deleted, freeing up space.  The iTunes folder should start backing up again on 
>your next Time Machine cycle.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 17, 2016, at 10:53, E.T.  wrote:

Tim and others,
  I do not think this was mentioned. If TM is on menu extras (enabled in Time 
Machine preferences), there is a menu selection labeled Enter Time Machine. In 
this window that displays are the time lines.

  I know one can delete TM backups here but how, I have not figured out. My TM 
drive is not near full so have no need but this would be good information.

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Two First Generation Track Pad Questions

[Arnold Schmidt]

When I set up my newly arrived Mac Mini, how do I pair my first generation 
track pad with it, being that it doesn't have a way to connect it via cable to 
pair it?  Also, is the button on the opposite  side from where the batteries 
insert an on off button, or does it just lock the track pad?  If the latter, is 
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Re: Two First Generation Track Pad Questions

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

If the MacMini was purchased with the Trackpad straight from Apple, it is 
usually already paired for you.  If not, upon startup, it should ask to pair.  
Yes, the button is a power button.  Usually, I hold it in for about two seconds 
to power it up.  There's no real need to power it down as it simply goes to 
sleep to conserve battery power when not in use.  Mine lasts for months without 
shutting it off.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 17, 2016, at 13:22, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:

When I set up my newly arrived Mac Mini, how do I pair my first generation 
track pad with it, being that it doesn't have a way to connect it via cable to 
pair it?  Also, is the button on the opposite  side from where the batteries 
insert an on off button, or does it just lock the track pad?  If the latter, is 
there no way to turn it off so it won't continue to consume battery?  Thanks in 
advance for any information.
 
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Re: Overdrive for the Mac.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hello Chris.

Overdrive on the Mac is easy peasy and so much better than the IOS Overdrive 
App.  The Overdrive app on the phone is worse than ever and so prefer the 
Overdrive on the Mac.  However, I just download the books from the RNIB Library 
and let the books extract themselves in the media folder that Overdrive sets up 
and then copy and paste to my Victor Reader stream SD card.  There’s always a 
way to get round limitations that people set for one to take full advantage of 
how long one can keep the book or you have 21 days to listen to it before it’s 
returned to the Library.  Is this the same case for the American Congress 
Library audio service for the I phone tablets and computers?

Thanks.

Kawal.
> On 17 Jul 2016, at 08:32, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> I hear Overdrive is fairly doable on the mac.  Again, I personally have never 
> tried it, so I can't verify this.  I'm going by what others have told me.  It 
> should be at least somewhat doable, if not very doable.
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>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Tim Kilburn 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 5:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: Overdrive for the Mac.
>> 
>> Hi Kawal,
>> 
>> When I pressed the Mac link, the download just started automatically.  So, 
>> even though it seemed to take you to an empty page, if you check in your 
>> Downloads folder, the installer dmg should be there.  Not sure how 
>> accessible things are after that.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada 
>> 
>> On Jul 16, 2016, at 15:10, Kawal Gucukoglu > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> I’m trying to download the Overdrive app for the Mac by visiting 
>> http://app.overdrive.com  but when I press the 
>> link for the Mac, I get empty HTML.  I’d be grateful if someone could try 
>> this for me and tell me if I’m doing something wrong.  All I want to do is 
>> download the RNIB talking books to my Mac computer so that I can put my 
>> Victor Stream card in my Mac and copy them to my Victor Stream SD card to 
>> listen to later.  If I download the books to Overdrive on my phone then I’ll 
>> have 28 days to listen to them but I want to avoid that so I can listen to 
>> books any time I like.  I already have a password and login username to get 
>> books but I can’t get the Application for the Mac.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
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Re: I Need a Little Help in Safari

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Please can you tell me why you think Mark’s question was a little crazy for you 
as I thought it a perfectly simple question.  Mark is always particular and 
methodical in what he writes and could follow what he said.  Perhaps I’m 
missing the point?

Thank you.

Kawal.
> On 17 Jul 2016, at 10:33, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Mark, Till now I had respect for you. Now I'm just really concerned!
> 
> Tell me your not getting into this psycho craze! LOL>
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Sunday, 17 July 2016 5:41 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: I Need a Little Help in Safari
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Earlier today, I received an email in my Inbox with a link to a cNet article 
> that I wanted to read.  
> 
> When I click on the link, Safari opens and, in addition to the text, a Flash 
> video begins to play.  Try as I may, I cannot seem to stop the video.  This 
> is to say, I cannot find the pause/stop button.  
> 
> I realize that my Safari skills are not as advanced as they should be so I'm 
> hoping one of you Safarians can inform me as to how to stop the playback.  
> 
> I grew so frustrated with this endeavor that I finally gave up and opened the 
> article in Windows Explorer where I could read the text without being 
> bothered with the video playback, via Jaws.  
> 
> Article:
> Pokemon Go could crash and burn this way
> http://enews.cnet.com/ct/36465781:WmNb4zYgN:m:1:643954770:AB022623DBB6DD9EE0
> 0AF25C9314BD07:r:22694667381686839172315209628767
> 
> All replies, greatly appreciated.
> 
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Re: Audible members: I just found a piece of gold!

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Oh thank you very much Chris.

I hardly use audible although I still have an account but no plan.  So I must 
get cracking to download all the audio books I want to keep and use your little 
app.

Kawal.
> On 17 Jul 2016, at 13:39, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Have you ever been like me, wishing that you could strip the DRM out of 
> your... ahim, legally? LOL! purchased Audible books, and convert them to an 
> mp3?
>  
> Well, for $35, now, you can.  And may I add, this app is totally 100% 
> accessible.
>  
> Basically, what it does is, it goes through your ITunes library and finds all 
> audio books, be it Audible, or purchased directly from ITunes.  It then gives 
> you a table, which by the way, you can do a keyword search if you have a lot, 
> you select your books, hit convert, and presto!
>  
> This thing supports Flac, Wave, mp3, M4A, and I think maybe 1 or two others 
> for the output formats.
>  
> It's gorgeous!  I've been converting all my books to losless flac, so that I 
> could then play them through my Sonos wireless speaker set, as those things 
> support Flac.  Trust me.  It is beautiful!
>  
> So, the name of the app is Tunekit Audio Book Converter.
>  
> You can learn more about it from
>  
> http://www.tunekit.com 
>  
> They also have an M4V converter, but I've not tried it.
>  
> The book converter does have a trial.  It lets you convert the first 3 
> minutes of any book of your hcoice.  After that, you have to register.  It's 
> very very very worth it though.
>  
> Their download page is at:
>  
> http://www.tunekit.com/download 
>  
> and the direct link to the Book Converter DMG is:
>  
> http://www.tuneskit.com/download/AudiobookConvertforMac.dmg 
> 
>  
> They have a Windows version, but I have no clue of its accessibility, so 
> buyer, beware.
>  
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Re: Time Machine

[Terje Strømberg]

Nice tips on Time Machine here. Personally I am used to turn on and off the 
Time Machine manually. So, Time Machine is off most of the time. Don’t need new 
backups every day for my use, but will have a look at the options mentioned 
here some day.

Take care


> 17. jul. 2016 kl. 20.51 skrev Tim Kilburn :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> From the Time Machine area that you mention here, you can delete backups of 
> specific folders or files.  For example, from the Finder, press cmd-shift-h 
> to open your Home folder, then go up to the Time Machine extras menu and 
> activate the Enter Time Machine item.  As long as your Time Machine disk is 
> available, you'll hear a few swishes and ticks, then a new window will open 
> displaying the same list of folders in your Home folder, but this one is your 
> Time Machine versions of these items.  So, if you wished to delete all the 
> old backups of your iTunes folder, you'd open the Music folder, select the 
> iTunes folder, then navigate to the Toolbar and interact with it.  In the 
> Toolbar, there is an Action menu item, VO-space on that and choose Delete All 
> Backups of this item.  Therefore, all previous backups of your iTunes folder 
> will be deleted, freeing up space.  The iTunes folder should start backing up 
> again on your next Time Machine cycle.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 17, 2016, at 10:53, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Tim and others,
>  I do not think this was mentioned. If TM is on menu extras (enabled in Time 
> Machine preferences), there is a menu selection labeled Enter Time Machine. 
> In this window that displays are the time lines.
> 
>  I know one can delete TM backups here but how, I have not figured out. My TM 
> drive is not near full so have no need but this would be good information.
> 
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Re: A question I'd really like some serious thought to be given to regarding iOS.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Good on you Chris for once you showed the person that not all things are 
friendly to Voice Over users.

I’ve been wanting to learn Garage band on IOS and on the Mac but I can’t do it. 
 So (sorry to say this on list) Chris, I hope you will teach me how to use 
Garage band on the Mac.

Thanks.

Kawal.
> On 17 Jul 2016, at 08:29, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> That's kind of what I had suspected to hear.  I just wanted to check.
>  
> What's worse is, when I spoke to Apple Accessibility over the phone, they 
> swore to god it was stupidly ridiculously accessible with Voiceover.
>  
> When I insisted to the guy, no it's not, he's like, all of our native Apple 
> apps are super accessible.
>  
> Just to kind of play with his head a bit, being we all know, that's just a 
> roundhanded assumption with no prior research, it's obvious, I said to him, 
> "Oh!  OK, so you're saying I can edit pictures, crop, remove red eye, adjust 
> brightness/tone, create and remove layers, remove shadowing, etc. with Apogy, 
> which is a photo editer."  He's like, well, no.  I never said that.  I'm 
> like, but you did!  You said all! Apple native apps work ridiculously well 
> with Voiceover.  He's like, OK, fine, not all do, but most do.  GB being one 
> of them.
>  
> I clarified with him I didn't mean on OSX, I meant on iOS.  He's like, yes.  
> I know that.  Yes, it's totally usable.
>  
> So, I grabbed my IPad and fired it up.  I asked him then to show me how to 
> import a karaoke track, lay down my vocals, and then add some effects to my 
> vocal track.
>  
> About 2 minutes into him trying to guide me through the screen, it was very 
> apparent to him that we were getting absolutely nowhere.
>  
> He's like, ok, this is imbarrassing.  I tell you all things we make are 
> accessible.  This thing's a piece of crap!  I'm like, Gee! Ya think?  Now!  
> What're we gonna do about it?
>  
> He's like I don't know.  I'll sent a ticket up to the engineers, but that's 
> about all I can do here.  In his defense, I'll grant him that.  But, I just 
> wish some of these reps would do their freaking homework before just up and 
> out yammerring something they don't honestly know the answer to.  I found 
> that extremely irritating!
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>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Jessica Moss 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 2:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: A question I'd really like some serious thought to be given to 
>> regarding iOS.
>> 
>> I find Garage band to be a real disappointment to work with as well, which 
>> is really upsetting to me.  My dad does a lot with it on his ipad, and 
>> uplodes it to facebook, so I thought I could possibly create some of those 
>> same tracks, until I tried in vain and after accidentally taping on drums I 
>> didn’t want, and not being able to correct them, then after watching him 
>> create tracks with his ipad, seeing how he was able to take them in and out 
>> on the fly, something you apparently can’t do with voiceover, and how 
>> knowing your musical notes helps (something I’m not good with) I’ve for the 
>> most part given it up.
>> 
>>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 7:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK guys,
>>>  
>>> First of all, no doubt, I get that this isn't gonna be the experience I'd 
>>> have on the mac OSX side of things with ProTools, or Logic, but I really 
>>> would like some serious thought on this.  I've got an IPad, and really 
>>> would like to know to what extent the accessibility is with the iOS version 
>>> of Garageband.  When I tried it last, I couldn't make any sense of its UI 
>>> at all.
>>>  
>>> I've had a few people from this list, don't remember who, who told me flat 
>>> out that Garageband did work with Voiceover on iOS.  They said I can bring 
>>> the on screen keyboard up, then can do little things like playing Mary had 
>>> a Little lamb, or hot cross buns.  OK, that's all fine and kiddy kiddy, 
>>> here, kiddy kiddy, nice, kiddy, but I wanna get some real brutally honest 
>>> answers here from people who may be a little above the level of Twinkle.  
>>> OK, inevitably, it's an on screen keyboard, so I'm not gonna really be able 
>>> to do Moonlight Sonata, or Hendel Messiah's Hallelujah chorus, LOL! Not 
>>> that I'd do those anyway, but point is, I know I'd be somewhat limited, but 
>>> really how much power do we have with Voiceover either on or off?  Keep in 
>>> mind, though I have some vision, if I turned off Voiceover, I really don't 
>>> have enough usable sight to do anything all that productive, not even with 
>>> Zoom.
>>>  
>>> Ultimately, what I'd like to do is to look at getting an audio interface 
>>> that would let me connect my IP

Re: iOS 10 is a total mess

[Stacey Robinson]

Matthew,
Thanks I’ll go there.

Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

> On Jul 17, 2016, at 10:47 AM, matthew dyer  
> wrote:
> 
> Stacy,
> 
> 
> Go to beta.apple.com  You can find out all the info there.
> 
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 07/17/2016 09:12 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>> How can I find out more about the public beta and can anyone download it?
>> Does it cost anything?
>> If this is offtopic please write me offlist.
>> Peace,   
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>  
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>> 
>>> On Jul 17, 2016, at 5:46 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can't really go into any specifics, but I'll just say in my opinion, the 
>>> iOS 10 beta even from the first day I got it with WWDC paid devs, was 
>>> probably the most rock solid most stable beta I think that I've ever seen!
>>> 
>>> If anyone is saying iOS is a mess, they really need to look at things more 
>>> objectively.
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>>> - Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 
>>> To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 5:47 AM
>>> Subject: Re: iOS 10 is a total mess
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi. I haven't read the whole article mainly because I can't open a reader 
>>> window, but from what I've read, it seems like it's a total whine fest. I 
>>> mean, has the guy used beta software before? It's called "beta" for a 
>>> reason. There will be bugs, but who's to say that these bugs will remain in 
>>> the next beta or even this fall? If you can't stand the bugs, don't install 
>>> the beta. Plain and simple.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
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>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On Jul 15, 2016, at 11:33 AM, -  wrote:
 
 
 
 http://www.zdnet.com/article/ios-10-is-a-total-mess/#ftag=RSSbaffb68
 
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Re: Two First Generation Track Pad Questions

[Arnold Schmidt]

It will be interesting to see which one of the following my track pad ends up 
being.  You say that a set of batteries lasts for months.  I also have read 
that probably the most negative thing about the first generation track pad was, 
they can go through a set in less than a week.  I hope mine is the former.

Arnold Schmidt
  - Original Message - 
  From: Tim Kilburn 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 3:31 PM
  Subject: Re: Two First Generation Track Pad Questions


  Hi,


  If the MacMini was purchased with the Trackpad straight from Apple, it is 
usually already paired for you.  If not, upon startup, it should ask to pair.  
Yes, the button is a power button.  Usually, I hold it in for about two seconds 
to power it up.  There's no real need to power it down as it simply goes to 
sleep to conserve battery power when not in use.  Mine lasts for months without 
shutting it off.


  Later...


  Tim Kilburn
  Fort McMurray, AB Canada 


  On Jul 17, 2016, at 13:22, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:


  When I set up my newly arrived Mac Mini, how do I pair my first generation 
track pad with it, being that it doesn't have a way to connect it via cable to 
pair it?  Also, is the button on the opposite  side from where the batteries 
insert an on off button, or does it just lock the track pad?  If the latter, is 
there no way to turn it off so it won't continue to consume battery?  Thanks in 
advance for any information.

  Arnold Schmidt 


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Re: Two First Generation Track Pad Questions

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I don't use my TrackPad that much as I primarily use the VO key navigation, so 
my estimate may be off.  I hope not for your sake.  Also, when I purchased my 
TrackPad, I purchased it with an Apple rechargeable battery pack thing.  It 
came with three sets of double-A batteries and an Apple charger thing.  The 
batteries on this unit work quite well.  If one buys cheap, discount store 
batteries, it may go through them faster too.

Good luck.

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 17, 2016, at 14:36, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:

It will be interesting to see which one of the following my track pad ends up 
being.  You say that a set of batteries lasts for months.  I also have read 
that probably the most negative thing about the first generation track pad was, 
they can go through a set in less than a week.  I hope mine is the former.
 
Arnold Schmidt
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> Subject: Re: Two First Generation Track Pad Questions
> 
> Hi,
> 
> If the MacMini was purchased with the Trackpad straight from Apple, it is 
> usually already paired for you.  If not, upon startup, it should ask to pair. 
>  Yes, the button is a power button.  Usually, I hold it in for about two 
> seconds to power it up.  There's no real need to power it down as it simply 
> goes to sleep to conserve battery power when not in use.  Mine lasts for 
> months without shutting it off.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada 
> 
> On Jul 17, 2016, at 13:22, Arnold Schmidt  > wrote:
> 
> When I set up my newly arrived Mac Mini, how do I pair my first generation 
> track pad with it, being that it doesn't have a way to connect it via cable 
> to pair it?  Also, is the button on the opposite  side from where the 
> batteries insert an on off button, or does it just lock the track pad?  If 
> the latter, is there no way to turn it off so it won't continue to consume 
> battery?  Thanks in advance for any information.
>  
> Arnold Schmidt 
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Re: I Need a Little Help in Safari

[Craig Werner]

Kawal, the poster was just engaging in a little harmless friendly humor by
pretending to worry that Mark was going to turn into an obsessive game
player.

Craig"

On Sunday, July 17, 2016, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> Please can you tell me why you think Mark’s question was a little crazy
> for you as I thought it a perfectly simple question.  Mark is always
> particular and methodical in what he writes and could follow what he said.
> Perhaps I’m missing the point?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Kawal.
>
> On 17 Jul 2016, at 10:33, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
>
> Mark, Till now I had respect for you. Now I'm just really concerned!
>
> Tell me your not getting into this psycho craze! LOL>
>
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> Hello Everyone,
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> Earlier today, I received an email in my Inbox with a link to a cNet
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>
> When I click on the link, Safari opens and, in addition to the text, a
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> video.  This is to say, I cannot find the pause/stop button.
>
> I realize that my Safari skills are not as advanced as they should be so
> I'm hoping one of you Safarians can inform me as to how to stop the
> playback.
>
> I grew so frustrated with this endeavor that I finally gave up and opened
> the article in Windows Explorer where I could read the text without being
> bothered with the video playback, via Jaws.
>
> Article:
> Pokemon Go could crash and burn this way
>
> http://enews.cnet.com/ct/36465781:WmNb4zYgN:m:1:643954770:AB022623DBB6DD9EE0
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Re: iOS 10 is a total mess

[Brent Harding]

Is there a way to revert back to the current production release if one tried 
the beta and found it too buggy? I know if I stick it on my watch, for all 
intents and purposes, it's a beta device forever forward that would no 
longer be able to be legally sold to someone else if I should decide to get 
the watch 2 or whatever they have up their sleaves next down the road. I 
wanted to dabble around with it to see if the Airplay bugs with VO will end 
up fixed where VO has an affinity to default to airplay if it is on at the 
time you tripple tap home. That causes other goofy issues with my stream 
programs flipping back to the phone internal speaker if I skip a song or 
flip channels at times, and then the not so good ducking bug to keep the 
device receiving airplay at low volume until you restart VO. I would almost 
use VO through Airplay if Apple could figure out reduction of the delay to a 
tolerable level. I'm not entirely sure why they need about a second or two 
of delay on a home wifi network that has little other activity going while I 
listen to stuff through it. We probably have a ways to go in technology 
evolution before we could have unnoticeable delay to speakers on a network.
- Original Message - 
From: "christopher hallsworth" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: iOS 10 is a total mess


No we can’t, but the question looks ok.

The public beta is for anyone with an Apple ID. It costs nothing unlike the 
developer betas which are at no additional charge once you pay the $99 
annual fee to gain access to them.
On 17 Jul 2016, at 14:47, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


We can't really discuss anything about the beta, may on this list will 
tell you otherwise, but the terms say you can't, and I intend to abide by 
them.


That said, you can learn more about how to get the public beta from

http://beta.apple.com

if I'm not mistaking.
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- Original Message - From: "Stacey Robinson" 


To: "Macvisionaries" 
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: iOS 10 is a total mess


How can I find out more about the public beta and can anyone download it?
Does it cost anything?
If this is offtopic please write me offlist.
Peace,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

On Jul 17, 2016, at 5:46 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


I can't really go into any specifics, but I'll just say in my opinion, 
the iOS 10 beta even from the first day I got it with WWDC paid devs, was 
probably the most rock solid most stable beta I think that I've ever 
seen!


If anyone is saying iOS is a mess, they really need to look at things 
more objectively.

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- Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 
To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: iOS 10 is a total mess


Hi. I haven't read the whole article mainly because I can't open a reader 
window, but from what I've read, it seems like it's a total whine fest. I 
mean, has the guy used beta software before? It's called "beta" for a 
reason. There will be bugs, but who's to say that these bugs will remain 
in the next beta or even this fall? If you can't stand the bugs, don't 
install the beta. Plain and simple.


Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
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On Jul 15, 2016, at 11:33 AM, -  wrote:



http://www.zdnet.com/article/ios-10-is-a-total-mess/#ftag=RSSbaffb68

XB

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Re: Looking for Slack feedback from voiceover users on OSX and IOS

[Kevin Chao]

Slack has made VO/a11y improvements in latest iOS app and are responding to
feedback in this channel.
https://web-a11y.slack.com/archives/slack-a11y-feedback/p146876676102
On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 4:48 AM michael babcock 
wrote:

> Just sent a message to:
> /feedback your feedback message here
> In any of the chat edit boxes and this will open a new support ticket.
> I just do find for “esc” and VO left from there, reads the messages
> backwards but works for me for now.
> Thanks for the tip about setting the modifier key to padlock, can I set an
> activity to switch to this when I’m in slack or should I maybe just make it
> a normal practice of using caps lock?
> If you press “option” first and hold it, then press “control” without
> letting option up, the VO keys work, but not the best solution.
>
> On Jul 16, 2016, at 10:06 PM, Chris Meredith  wrote:
>
> One thing that I’ve found helps with Slack is to set the VO modifiers to
> allow caps lock as an option.  My guess is that some sort of keyDown event
> gets fired whenever any key that would register does so (I.e. Option,
> particularly since it can be used to type extended characters), and pops
> focus into the input field.  Caps lock is handled entirely by the OS
> (illustrated nicely by how many hoops we have to jump through to pass that
> key to VMware Fusion), and is thus not intercepted by Slack.
> Find is your friend.  Search for “new messages since” to find the date of
> the last message, then search backward for that date to read what went on
> in your absence.  One thing I can’t seem to do is close the pop-up windows
> such as, for instance, the search box, short of closing and reopening the
> app.  If Slack are engaging in public discourse with their blind users, I’d
> love to chime in, since Slack seems to be part of my complete
> breakfast set of tools I need at my employer.
>
> On Jul 13, 2016, at 9:19 AM, michael babcock 
> wrote:
>
> So hears how I’m using the desktop app:
> #1, try not to tap “Option” (that jumps focus back to edit box). I know
> kinda hard when using voiceover…
> #2, use find for the text “esc” and that will take you to the end of the
> conversation (channel) your in.
> #3, use command+option+left or right to jump between conversations you’ve
> opened since that instance of the app has been running.
> Let me know if I can help any more :( and I hope they make it more
> accessible. Love the concept of it, and am actively using it with a VA out
> of India, so would love to have it working.
> VOIP quality IMO is fairly good.
>
> On Jul 13, 2016, at 2:29 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>
> Thanks Michael,
>
> I’ll go check this out , it might be worthwhile.
>
> If only the desktop apps were more accessible, I’ll probanly have to use
> my iPhone.
>
> *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *michael babcock
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 12 July 2016 5:05 PM
> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Looking for Slack feedback from voiceover users on OSX and
> IOS
>
> Simon:
> Thanks for your message.
> Slack has created a #a11y organization, and they seem to be making things
> better. I’ll post one of the messages I got from the team a few hours ago:
> "Hi Michael,
>
> Thanks for coming back to me. Yes, there is an existing team that the
> accessibility community has created. This is a broad, public team on Slack
> with the goal of collaborating on accessibility solutions, technologies,
> etc. The current membership is already substantial and includes some of our
> engineers and folks from our accessibility team. Please feel free to share
> this with anyone who is interested.
>
> Here's the link to request an invite: http://web-a11y.herokuapp.com.
> “
> And this was a follow-up to this message:
> "*Bel* (Slack)
>
> Jul 9, 9:32 PM PDT
>
> Hey there Michael,
>
> Thanks for getting in touch! We would love to hear all your suggestions on
> how we might improve the user experience for blind users.
>
> Accessibility is something we are working very hard to improve and our
> dedicated accessibility team are currently working on more features for our
> vision-impaired users. Please do let us know what your initial thoughts are
> on your experience and I will get our team involved from this side too.
>
> Thanks for taking the time to offer your help and feedback on this
> Michael, your insights are really valuable to our development.
>
> Warmly,
>
> -Bel"
> Hit up @slackhq
> And type
> /feedback your feedback here
> In any of the edit boxes on slack
> Note: in desktop app on Mac, hitting the option key seems to jump focus
> back to the edit box, kinda makes things hard when using voiceover :)
>
>
> On Jul 11, 2016, at 12:02 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>
> Hi Michael,
>
> Thanks for this, I will definitely be looking into this.
>
> We’ve just started using slack at work for our messaging system as it’s
> not hosted locally therefore if systems go down we can still communicate
>

Re: Slack on iOS and Watch OS

[Kevin Chao]

Slack has made VO/a11y improvements in latest iOS app and are responding to
feedback in this channel.
https://web-a11y.slack.com/archives/slack-a11y-feedback/p146876676102
On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 4:25 PM Kevin Chao  wrote:

> The mobile apps are more accessible and Web is mostly inaccessible.
> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 6:42 PM Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>
>> I head heard it was entirely inaccessible and that the vendor did not
>> have plans to make SLAC usable by the blind. Are there any on-line guides
>> for the blind on using slap with any environment?
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5 May 2016, at 20:14, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>>
>> I've used Slack on Watch and iOS?
>> Watch is allows reading mentions and messages with VoiceOver
>> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 4:48 AM Jenine Stanley 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is anyone successfully using Slack on iOS or Watch OS? I’m particularly
>>> interested in Watch OS as I’ve seen the VO focus issues on iOS. Would love
>>> to understand the app more and propose it for some work projects.
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
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Audible Books To My Victor Reader, was Re: Audible members: I just found a piece of gold!

[Arnold Schmidt]

I have googled this, but I may as well ask here, too.  In Windows, there is an 
Audible book manager.  When I download a book to it, I transfer the book to my 
Victor Reader via this book manager, after having authorized my player, or the 
card, I am not quite sure which.  If it isn't authorized as a player, it won't 
play the book.  I gather that there is no audible manager for the mac, it 
downloads directly into iTunes.  So, being that there is no audible manager to 
authorize the player or card, I would not be able to transfer a book to my 
Victor Reader with the mac?  If not, that is too bad.  There is one of these 
remove the drm apps for windows, too, but I have never felt any need to use it. 
 I admit that I usually use my iPhone to play audible books, until they mess up 
the app again, but I just like using my victor reader sometimes.  It is too bad 
if I will have to continue to use this pc to transfer audible books to my 
victor reader, if I can't do it from the mac.  Thanks for any information.

Arnold Schmidt 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 8:39 AM
  Subject: Audible members: I just found a piece of gold!


  Have you ever been like me, wishing that you could strip the DRM out of 
your... ahim, legally? LOL! purchased Audible books, and convert them to an mp3?

  Well, for $35, now, you can.  And may I add, this app is totally 100% 
accessible.

  Basically, what it does is, it goes through your ITunes library and finds all 
audio books, be it Audible, or purchased directly from ITunes.  It then gives 
you a table, which by the way, you can do a keyword search if you have a lot, 
you select your books, hit convert, and presto!

  This thing supports Flac, Wave, mp3, M4A, and I think maybe 1 or two others 
for the output formats.

  It's gorgeous!  I've been converting all my books to losless flac, so that I 
could then play them through my Sonos wireless speaker set, as those things 
support Flac.  Trust me.  It is beautiful!

  So, the name of the app is Tunekit Audio Book Converter.

  You can learn more about it from

  http://www.tunekit.com

  They also have an M4V converter, but I've not tried it.

  The book converter does have a trial.  It lets you convert the first 3 
minutes of any book of your hcoice.  After that, you have to register.  It's 
very very very worth it though.

  Their download page is at:

  http://www.tunekit.com/download

  and the direct link to the Book Converter DMG is:

  http://www.tuneskit.com/download/AudiobookConvertforMac.dmg

  They have a Windows version, but I have no clue of its accessibility, so 
buyer, beware.

  Chris.

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Re: Time Machine

[E.T.]

   Ok selecting Enter TM opens a Finder window. Makes sense now. But 
rather than choosing folders, how do you choose a time line to delete, 
say the oldest week or month's worth of backups?


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Are We Alone in the Universe?
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On 7/17/2016 11:51 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

From the Time Machine area that you mention here, you can delete backups of 
specific folders or files.  For example, from the Finder, press cmd-shift-h to 
open your Home folder, then go up to the Time Machine extras menu and activate 
the Enter Time Machine item.  As long as your Time Machine disk is available, 
you'll hear a few swishes and ticks, then a new window will open displaying the 
same list of folders in your Home folder, but this one is your Time Machine 
versions of these items.  So, if you wished to delete all the old backups of 
your iTunes folder, you'd open the Music folder, select the iTunes folder, then 
navigate to the Toolbar and interact with it.  In the Toolbar, there is an 
Action menu item, VO-space on that and choose Delete All Backups of this item.  
Therefore, all previous backups of your iTunes folder will be deleted, freeing 
up space.  The iTunes folder should start backing up again on your next Time 
Machine cycle.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 17, 2016, at 10:53, E.T.  wrote:

Tim and others,
  I do not think this was mentioned. If TM is on menu extras (enabled in Time 
Machine preferences), there is a menu selection labeled Enter Time Machine. In 
this window that displays are the time lines.

  I know one can delete TM backups here but how, I have not figured out. My TM 
drive is not near full so have no need but this would be good information.

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Re: Audible Books To My Victor Reader, was Re: Audible members: I just found a piece of gold!

[Gabe Griffith]

Hi,

The audible.com activation goes on the SD card and not the player itself. As 
long as the card has been activated for audible you should be able to copy and 
paste your audible book to the $VRAudible folder the same way you would 
anything else.

Gabe


On Jul 17, 2016, at 2:41 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:

> I have googled this, but I may as well ask here, too.  In Windows, there is 
> an Audible book manager.  When I download a book to it, I transfer the book 
> to my Victor Reader via this book manager, after having authorized my player, 
> or the card, I am not quite sure which.  If it isn't authorized as a player, 
> it won't play the book.  I gather that there is no audible manager for the 
> mac, it downloads directly into iTunes.  So, being that there is no audible 
> manager to authorize the player or card, I would not be able to transfer a 
> book to my Victor Reader with the mac?  If not, that is too bad.  There is 
> one of these remove the drm apps for windows, too, but I have never felt any 
> need to use it.  I admit that I usually use my iPhone to play audible books, 
> until they mess up the app again, but I just like using my victor reader 
> sometimes.  It is too bad if I will have to continue to use this pc to 
> transfer audible books to my victor reader, if I can't do it from the mac.  
> Thanks for any information.
>  
> Arnold Schmidt 
> - Original Message -
> From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 8:39 AM
> Subject: Audible members: I just found a piece of gold!
> 
> Have you ever been like me, wishing that you could strip the DRM out of 
> your... ahim, legally? LOL! purchased Audible books, and convert them to an 
> mp3?
>  
> Well, for $35, now, you can.  And may I add, this app is totally 100% 
> accessible.
>  
> Basically, what it does is, it goes through your ITunes library and finds all 
> audio books, be it Audible, or purchased directly from ITunes.  It then gives 
> you a table, which by the way, you can do a keyword search if you have a lot, 
> you select your books, hit convert, and presto!
>  
> This thing supports Flac, Wave, mp3, M4A, and I think maybe 1 or two others 
> for the output formats.
>  
> It's gorgeous!  I've been converting all my books to losless flac, so that I 
> could then play them through my Sonos wireless speaker set, as those things 
> support Flac.  Trust me.  It is beautiful!
>  
> So, the name of the app is Tunekit Audio Book Converter.
>  
> You can learn more about it from
>  
> http://www.tunekit.com
>  
> They also have an M4V converter, but I've not tried it.
>  
> The book converter does have a trial.  It lets you convert the first 3 
> minutes of any book of your hcoice.  After that, you have to register.  It's 
> very very very worth it though.
>  
> Their download page is at:
>  
> http://www.tunekit.com/download
>  
> and the direct link to the Book Converter DMG is:
>  
> http://www.tuneskit.com/download/AudiobookConvertforMac.dmg
>  
> They have a Windows version, but I have no clue of its accessibility, so 
> buyer, beware.
>  
> Chris.
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Re: A question I'd really like some serious thought to be given to regarding iOS.

[Jessica Moss]

Could you maybe put up some podcasts to get people started?  There were some 
around a while back, but I don’t remember who did them, and I think they’re 
outdated now sense garage band has been updated several times sense then, and 
its interface has changed, at least to my understanding.
  I haven’t used it in a while, and even when I started listening to these 
podcasts, had trouble making heads or tails of it, and not sure how much I’ll 
really be able to do with it at this point, but part of me would like to try it.
> On Jul 17, 2016, at 4:03 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Good on you Chris for once you showed the person that not all things are 
> friendly to Voice Over users.
> 
> I’ve been wanting to learn Garage band on IOS and on the Mac but I can’t do 
> it.  So (sorry to say this on list) Chris, I hope you will teach me how to 
> use Garage band on the Mac.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 17 Jul 2016, at 08:29, Christopher-Mark Gilland > > wrote:
>> 
>> That's kind of what I had suspected to hear.  I just wanted to check.
>>  
>> What's worse is, when I spoke to Apple Accessibility over the phone, they 
>> swore to god it was stupidly ridiculously accessible with Voiceover.
>>  
>> When I insisted to the guy, no it's not, he's like, all of our native Apple 
>> apps are super accessible.
>>  
>> Just to kind of play with his head a bit, being we all know, that's just a 
>> roundhanded assumption with no prior research, it's obvious, I said to him, 
>> "Oh!  OK, so you're saying I can edit pictures, crop, remove red eye, adjust 
>> brightness/tone, create and remove layers, remove shadowing, etc. with 
>> Apogy, which is a photo editer."  He's like, well, no.  I never said that.  
>> I'm like, but you did!  You said all! Apple native apps work ridiculously 
>> well with Voiceover.  He's like, OK, fine, not all do, but most do.  GB 
>> being one of them.
>>  
>> I clarified with him I didn't mean on OSX, I meant on iOS.  He's like, yes.  
>> I know that.  Yes, it's totally usable.
>>  
>> So, I grabbed my IPad and fired it up.  I asked him then to show me how to 
>> import a karaoke track, lay down my vocals, and then add some effects to my 
>> vocal track.
>>  
>> About 2 minutes into him trying to guide me through the screen, it was very 
>> apparent to him that we were getting absolutely nowhere.
>>  
>> He's like, ok, this is imbarrassing.  I tell you all things we make are 
>> accessible.  This thing's a piece of crap!  I'm like, Gee! Ya think?  Now!  
>> What're we gonna do about it?
>>  
>> He's like I don't know.  I'll sent a ticket up to the engineers, but that's 
>> about all I can do here.  In his defense, I'll grant him that.  But, I just 
>> wish some of these reps would do their freaking homework before just up and 
>> out yammerring something they don't honestly know the answer to.  I found 
>> that extremely irritating!
>> ---
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>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: Jessica Moss 
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 2:55 PM
>>> Subject: Re: A question I'd really like some serious thought to be given to 
>>> regarding iOS.
>>> 
>>> I find Garage band to be a real disappointment to work with as well, which 
>>> is really upsetting to me.  My dad does a lot with it on his ipad, and 
>>> uplodes it to facebook, so I thought I could possibly create some of those 
>>> same tracks, until I tried in vain and after accidentally taping on drums I 
>>> didn’t want, and not being able to correct them, then after watching him 
>>> create tracks with his ipad, seeing how he was able to take them in and out 
>>> on the fly, something you apparently can’t do with voiceover, and how 
>>> knowing your musical notes helps (something I’m not good with) I’ve for the 
>>> most part given it up.
>>> 
 On Jul 13, 2016, at 7:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
 OK guys,
  
 First of all, no doubt, I get that this isn't gonna be the experience I'd 
 have on the mac OSX side of things with ProTools, or Logic, but I really 
 would like some serious thought on this.  I've got an IPad, and really 
 would like to know to what extent the accessibility is with the iOS 
 version of Garageband.  When I tried it last, I couldn't make any sense of 
 its UI at all.
  
 I've had a few people from this list, don't remember who, who told me flat 
 out that Garageband did work with Voiceover on iOS.  They said I can bring 
 the on screen keyboard up, then can do little things like playing Mary had 
 a Little lamb, or hot cross buns.  OK, that's all fine and kiddy kiddy, 
 here, kiddy kiddy, nice, kiddy, but I wanna get 

Re: iOS 10 is a total mess

[Scott Granados]

Remember these are typically sited users making these comparisons.  Our VO 
experiences may and probably will vary from theirs wildly so something we may 
love they may n to do to appearance or video performance issues etc.


> On Jul 17, 2016, at 6:46 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> I can't really go into any specifics, but I'll just say in my opinion, the 
> iOS 10 beta even from the first day I got it with WWDC paid devs, was 
> probably the most rock solid most stable beta I think that I've ever seen!
> 
> If anyone is saying iOS is a mess, they really need to look at things more 
> objectively.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
> clgillan...@gmail.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 
> To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 5:47 AM
> Subject: Re: iOS 10 is a total mess
> 
> 
> Hi. I haven't read the whole article mainly because I can't open a reader 
> window, but from what I've read, it seems like it's a total whine fest. I 
> mean, has the guy used beta software before? It's called "beta" for a reason. 
> There will be bugs, but who's to say that these bugs will remain in the next 
> beta or even this fall? If you can't stand the bugs, don't install the beta. 
> Plain and simple.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2016, at 11:33 AM, -  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.zdnet.com/article/ios-10-is-a-total-mess/#ftag=RSSbaffb68
>> 
>> XB
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Re: To Devon, (was This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[Scott Granados]

You know, it’s interesting, all kidding aside I can’t imagine myself being a 
citizen of another country.  It’s funny how we attach to the places we’re born. 
I’ve also had America / Apple pie / Baseball / tea parties and liberty bells 
drilled in to my head since I can remember so it’s hard for me to imagine.  I 
could definitely see living somewhere else and working in another part of the 
world but I’m not sure about citizen.  Maybe my ideas are to outdated.


> On Jul 17, 2016, at 5:27 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Bloody government.
> 
> Oh well yor here now.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Saturday, 16 July 2016 9:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: To Devon, (was This blind Apple engineer is transforming the 
> tech world at only 22
> 
> Yes, Simon, I could not immigrate here. I immigrated independently. Most 
> blind people who immigrate do so as the partner of a Kiwi. I did not just 
> want to come here to work. I wished to become a citizen. To do so, I needed 
> to match the immigration skills list and have enough points. Also, I needed 
> to prove I could live independently. It would have been been much easier had 
> I married a Kiwi.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 16 Jul 2016, at 20:04, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> David, do you mean you couldn't move over here until you got a masters 
>> degree?
>> 
>> I can't believe that.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
>> Sent: Saturday, 16 July 2016 1:02 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: To Devon, (was This blind Apple engineer is transforming the 
>> tech world at only 22
>> 
>> Scott,
>> 
>> You always have time to go back and attend university.
>> 
>> I went to a university directly after high school and flunked out. I never 
>> reported that year to any other education institution. This way, I escaped 
>> the C- GPA drag.
>> 
>> I then attended community college for a few years part-time, only taking 
>> classes that interested me. I then went to massage school (a 9 month program 
>> which I graduated from when I was 27).
>> 
>> When I was 38, I decided I wanted to x-patriate myself from the US. I looked 
>> into it and discovered that I would need a masters degree because I am 
>> blind. So, I looked at my skills and realised I have excellent understanding 
>> of business. So, I located a fully accredited (highest accreditation in US 
>> is regional which is the only one accepted overseas), and applied to and 
>> entered an online university which met the criteria. A year later, I 
>> graduated at the top of my class with a bachelors. Thanks to the appropriate 
>> accreditation, and my grades, I easily entered a masters program when I was 
>> 40.
>> 
>> The truth is, university was much easier for me when I returned at 38. I had 
>> developed the drive and focus which I lacked when I was 18. Put another way, 
>> now is as good a time as any to go back to university.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 16 Jul 2016, at 12:04, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow, I wish I was smart, I could never get the whole education school thing 
>>> down.  I tried college, dropped out and started a business, tried again, 
>>> lost focus, started another business and moved on.  I’ve always felt guilty 
>>> about it.  My poor mother wanted to see me graduate college with a degree 
>>> so badly.  Always felt like I let her down.
>>> 
>>> Oh well I went the long way but my positions more recently and career have 
>>> made up for a lot but I always wished I had the focus and stuff to get 
>>> through and do well in college.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 15, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
 
 I loved attending my community college. It was a great way to ease
 into a college life, meet new people.
 Vaughn
 
> On 7/15/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Hi Donna and Devin,
> 
> Devin, if your as sheltered as you make it sound, Donnas suggestion of a
> community college would be a great idea, you would also get to meet many
> other people from all walks of life.
> 
> I’ve met truckloads of people from my studies at University
> I would tell my family where to get off if my parents had tried to put me
> into a group living situation.
> 
> 
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Friday, 15 July 2016 12:56 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: To Devon, (was This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech
> world at only 22

Re: Time Machine

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Similar process.

1.  Up to the Extras menu and choose Time Machine.
2.  Select Enter Time Machine.

This will automatically bring you to the newest Time Machine backup.  To access 
older ones...

3.  Use the Window Chooser (VO-f2-f2) and choose Time Machine Controls.

There will be a Vertical Slider in this Controls window where you can go 
through the backups you have, or you can press the Previous button to go back 
through them.  When you have the date and time of the backup you wish to 
remove, or use in some other fashion, use the Window Chooser to get back to the 
other window once again.  If you wish to remove the entire backup for that 
timeline...

4.  Go to the Sidebar, under Devices and choose your computer.
5.  Interact with the Scroll area and select your HD.
6.  Up to the Toolbar, under the Actions menu and choose Delete this Backup.

Should do the trick.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 17, 2016, at 16:18, E.T.  wrote:

  Ok selecting Enter TM opens a Finder window. Makes sense now. But rather than 
choosing folders, how do you choose a time line to delete, say the oldest week 
or month's worth of backups?

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 7/17/2016 11:51 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> From the Time Machine area that you mention here, you can delete backups of 
> specific folders or files.  For example, from the Finder, press cmd-shift-h 
> to open your Home folder, then go up to the Time Machine extras menu and 
> activate the Enter Time Machine item.  As long as your Time Machine disk is 
> available, you'll hear a few swishes and ticks, then a new window will open 
> displaying the same list of folders in your Home folder, but this one is your 
> Time Machine versions of these items.  So, if you wished to delete all the 
> old backups of your iTunes folder, you'd open the Music folder, select the 
> iTunes folder, then navigate to the Toolbar and interact with it.  In the 
> Toolbar, there is an Action menu item, VO-space on that and choose Delete All 
> Backups of this item.  Therefore, all previous backups of your iTunes folder 
> will be deleted, freeing up space.  The iTunes folder should start backing up 
> again on your next Time Machine cycle.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 17, 2016, at 10:53, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Tim and others,
>  I do not think this was mentioned. If TM is on menu extras (enabled in Time 
> Machine preferences), there is a menu selection labeled Enter Time Machine. 
> In this window that displays are the time lines.
> 
>  I know one can delete TM backups here but how, I have not figured out. My TM 
> drive is not near full so have no need but this would be good information.
> 
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> Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 

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Re: HP's radical new computing design or Singularity here we come!

[Scott Granados]

We’re in for very interesting times.  I was reading about some applications 
today designed to run on “the machine”.  One was a linux instance that has no 
distinction between memory or hard disk, everything is just running in 
addressable memory.  Each instance is built with a minimum of a petabyte of 
assigned storage.

Each module in HP’s machine consists of a fabric memory module, a processing 
module and a fabric switch.  These modules all link together in to one big 
addressable compute space.  Their idea is everything will plug in to this 
eventually, security is implemented from the hardware up instead of added on 
top like the machines do today.  There will be huge blocks of free space for 
open source use, paid space for company data, shared space for global access, 
and since it’s built in light instead of electrons it’s just as fast no matter 
how large and complex the design gets so there’s no theoretical maximum.  Like 
I said, Sky Net.:)

You don’t think of HP as being that cutting edge any more but this is a huge 
deal.

It makes you wonder how much longer we’ll be dealing with laptops or phones or 
tablets or anything recognizable.  Sabahattin may be right, the Mac might be 
going away but to be replaced with something a whole bunch more interesting.

> On Jul 16, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Wow, Scot, I probably only understand half of that, but it's crazy.  Thanks 
> for sharing.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jul 15, 2016, at 10:40 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> Absolutely startling developments at HP that may impact us all.  It dwarfs 
>> what Apple is doing in the cloud or even the idea of the cloud.  It’s also 
>> probably one of your m ore frightening advertising videos.  It’s tied in 
>> with Star Trek believe it or not but basically they’re using the idea of the 
>> Singularity (AKA Ray Kurzweil and the Singularity).
>> 
>> The idea is that instead of processors and nodes in the cloud like we have 
>> now there will be a massive pile of addressable memory.  They have built 
>> this system, memory is stored on fabric made of photons meaning memory is 
>> stored on particles of light instead of electrons.  This means a base 
>> increase of performance over conventional circuits of 1000 times but it gets 
>> crazier than that.  Once data is stored in photons you can start applying 
>> principles of quantum mechanics using ideas like entanglement to instantly 
>> transfer data over any distance.  Think of a radio wave taking 8 minutes to 
>> get from our Sun to our planet in perfect conditions, now imagine modulating 
>> one out of two photons in a pair and seeing it’s results over that same 
>> distance instantly because information can exceed the speed of light.
>>  Imagine HP releasing this to open source developers so unix instances 
>> automatically boot with hooks in to this memory fabric, the internet of 
>> things starts dumping data in to this system.  By 2020 there will be over 30 
>> billion connected devices, that level of connectivity will crush the network 
>> as it stands today but ideas like this allow us to progress past Moore’s law 
>> right down to the photon level rather than primitive atoms.:)
>> 
>> Read a lot more here
>> http://www.labs.hpe.com/research/themachine/ 
>> 
>> 
>> I used to laugh at the idea of computing becoming self aware and intelligent 
>> especially by 2029 on the near end or 2045 on the far end.  IF possible I 
>> used to think it would take hundreds of years especially considering where 
>> we started.  I’m not laughing any more.  I’m wondering if 2029 isn’t to far 
>> out?  I’m not sure if I’m ready for my computing infrastructure to be alive 
>> rather than a thing.  Wait until the human machine interfaces become so good 
>> that you hard wire your brain right to the network and we’ve got 9 billion 
>> brains available for parallel processing.  I’m in!  For anyone who doubts 
>> it, go outside, look at the billion people staring at their phones wandering 
>> around the country side staring like zombies in their phones finding 
>> Pokemon.  This enhanced reality thing, it’s just the primitive start, the 
>> model A ford equivalent of it’s time, it’s about to get really really 
>> interesting!
>> 
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Re: This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[Scott Granados]

Aww come on, I’m going to need a Hillary / Trump escape plan!

Peter Jackson could hire me to make sure his render farms are networked 
properly.  I’d be happy to cut you in.:)  I was good enough for Dream Works so 
should be able to slide that.

> On Jul 16, 2016, at 4:02 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Scott, I'm not sure we want your kind down here in the southern hemisphere.
> 
> Specially around new Zealand we're a very clean country 
> 
> You might dirty the water!
> 
> Lol.
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Saturday, 16 July 2016 12:10 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 
> 22
> 
> David, when that business grows large enough you need an IT department, you 
> let me know.  Would be nice to have a post hillary escape strategy.:)
> 
> haha
> 
> Good luck, sounds like interesting and rewarding work.
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2016, at 12:34 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> It is an expansion of my current business. I am now contracted to do some 
>> government work with those who are disabled. However, it lines me up for 
>> something which will be coming up in a couple years around technology and 
>> accessibility.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 15 Jul 2016, at 00:59, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That's exciting, David.  What is your new business?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Jul 14, 2016, at 5:34 AM, David Chittenden  
 wrote:
 
 Well, I just signed a new contracting agreement, so I am about to start a 
 new business. If I am correct, I will preceed an upcoming trend and be 
 ready to capitalise on where things appear to be headed. Here we go with 
 the next business.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 14 Jul 2016, at 16:59, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> David, I like your history, not to point out a bad thing but I like your 
> comments on failed businesses.  I’m right there with you.
> I always hid my blindness when possible while doing business.  I had for 
> a while, especially during my first attempt, sited folks that I put out 
> front and I mainly dealt with people through telephones or email etc.  
> This worked for several years although there were reporters and other 
> people very interested in my business (an internet provider) at the time 
> who made it challenging to hide.  I would actually only allow these 
> people close if I was able to maintain control and final approval whether 
> something would be released and I had a marketing person for a while who 
> I made review everything to make sure no hints leaked out.  I remember 
> meeting a fellow business owner later in the history of that company who 
> convinced me to completely drop that policy and had his marketing droid 
> try to convince me to use my image in marketing campaigns which I never 
> went that far but I definitely loosened things up.  I’m glad though that 
> person got through to me.
> Oh and I still have a PDP 11.:) Complete with the 8 dip switches and 
> submit button so you can enter in the first few bytes by hand to boot the 
> box and start loading from tape.
> 
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:58 AM, David Chittenden  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I guess I will chime in here. I was congenitally (born) blind. My 
>> brother, who is two years older, is also blind.
>> 
>> We started school at a blindness school, and then attended a bording 
>> school for the blind. My parents decided to mainstream us when I entered 
>> 6th grade. The schools for the blind taught me certain skills such as 
>> braille, quite well. Fortunately, I was mainstreamed early enough to get 
>> a healthy dose of normal (sighted) culture.
>> 
>> I attended a private highschool (the best school in the state) which I 
>> was able to enter because I scored well enough on the entrance exam. 
>> Resource teachers were not allowed to work at private schools, so I was 
>> pretty much on my own, in an academically challenging environment, from 
>> 9th grade. Note: I was registered in the nearby public highschool, so 
>> was able to see a resource teacher there for 45 minutes per day, four 
>> days per week. That person did the important braille transcription for 
>> tests. At school, however, everything was my responsibility.
>> 
>> I took a basic programming course when I was a senior. I enjoyed it so 
>> much that I decided to become a computer systems engineer. That lasted 
>> one semester at university. I broke my wrist, so could not type for 8 
>> weeks. I then

Re: iOS 10 is a total mess

[Michael Marshall]

i wish i could have a play with it my self but i have an iPhone 4 S so that is 
out.
> On 18 Jul. 2016, at 12:33 pm, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Remember these are typically sited users making these comparisons.  Our VO 
> experiences may and probably will vary from theirs wildly so something we may 
> love they may n to do to appearance or video performance issues etc.
> 
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2016, at 6:46 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I can't really go into any specifics, but I'll just say in my opinion, the 
>> iOS 10 beta even from the first day I got it with WWDC paid devs, was 
>> probably the most rock solid most stable beta I think that I've ever seen!
>> 
>> If anyone is saying iOS is a mess, they really need to look at things more 
>> objectively.
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>> - Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 
>> To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
>> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 5:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: iOS 10 is a total mess
>> 
>> 
>> Hi. I haven't read the whole article mainly because I can't open a reader 
>> window, but from what I've read, it seems like it's a total whine fest. I 
>> mean, has the guy used beta software before? It's called "beta" for a 
>> reason. There will be bugs, but who's to say that these bugs will remain in 
>> the next beta or even this fall? If you can't stand the bugs, don't install 
>> the beta. Plain and simple.
>> 
>> Shawn
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>>> On Jul 15, 2016, at 11:33 AM, -  wrote:
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>>> http://www.zdnet.com/article/ios-10-is-a-total-mess/#ftag=RSSbaffb68
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RE: iOS 10 is a total mess

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Chris,

 Only problems I've had have been applications that aren't yet up to scratch 
with IOS10 
Otherwise yes I agree at this point.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Sunday, 17 July 2016 10:46 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 10 is a total mess

I can't really go into any specifics, but I'll just say in my opinion, the iOS 
10 beta even from the first day I got it with WWDC paid devs, was probably the 
most rock solid most stable beta I think that I've ever seen!

If anyone is saying iOS is a mess, they really need to look at things more 
objectively.
---
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Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message -
From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 
To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: iOS 10 is a total mess


Hi. I haven't read the whole article mainly because I can't open a reader 
window, but from what I've read, it seems like it's a total whine fest. I 
mean, has the guy used beta software before? It's called "beta" for a 
reason. There will be bugs, but who's to say that these bugs will remain in 
the next beta or even this fall? If you can't stand the bugs, don't install 
the beta. Plain and simple.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

> On Jul 15, 2016, at 11:33 AM, -  wrote:
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> http://www.zdnet.com/article/ios-10-is-a-total-mess/#ftag=RSSbaffb68
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RE: A question I'd really like some serious thought to be given to regarding iOS.

[Simon Fogarty]

Chris,

Did you by any chance ask him how much voiceover usage knowledge did he have?


I  know how to drive a car but I wouldn’t say I was great at it. Or that all 
blind people can do it.


I wonder if we have a apple accessibility contact team here in NZ.
Might be worth while giving them a call about one of their products
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ray Foret jr
Sent: Sunday, 17 July 2016 11:15 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A question I'd really like some serious thought to be given to 
regarding iOS.

You mean you had this kind of exchange with Apple Accessibility?  My goodness.  
Maybe we need actual blind people working in that department:  then, we’d get 
some actually accurate information.  While I’m glad you showed him up on his 
ignorance, I’m not glad it took your effort to make it a reality.  Seems to me 
we’ve got a fair bit of work ahead of us.  Was he an American at least?


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

On Jul 17, 2016, at 2:29 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:

That's kind of what I had suspected to hear.  I just wanted to check.

What's worse is, when I spoke to Apple Accessibility over the phone, they swore 
to god it was stupidly ridiculously accessible with Voiceover.

When I insisted to the guy, no it's not, he's like, all of our native Apple 
apps are super accessible.

Just to kind of play with his head a bit, being we all know, that's just a 
roundhanded assumption with no prior research, it's obvious, I said to him, 
"Oh!  OK, so you're saying I can edit pictures, crop, remove red eye, adjust 
brightness/tone, create and remove layers, remove shadowing, etc. with Apogy, 
which is a photo editer."  He's like, well, no.  I never said that.  I'm like, 
but you did!  You said all! Apple native apps work ridiculously well with 
Voiceover.  He's like, OK, fine, not all do, but most do.  GB being one of them.

I clarified with him I didn't mean on OSX, I meant on iOS.  He's like, yes.  I 
know that.  Yes, it's totally usable.

So, I grabbed my IPad and fired it up.  I asked him then to show me how to 
import a karaoke track, lay down my vocals, and then add some effects to my 
vocal track.

About 2 minutes into him trying to guide me through the screen, it was very 
apparent to him that we were getting absolutely nowhere.

He's like, ok, this is imbarrassing.  I tell you all things we make are 
accessible.  This thing's a piece of crap!  I'm like, Gee! Ya think?  Now!  
What're we gonna do about it?

He's like I don't know.  I'll sent a ticket up to the engineers, but that's 
about all I can do here.  In his defense, I'll grant him that.  But, I just 
wish some of these reps would do their freaking homework before just up and out 
yammerring something they don't honestly know the answer to.  I found that 
extremely irritating!
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- Original Message -
From: Jessica Moss
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: A question I'd really like some serious thought to be given to 
regarding iOS.

I find Garage band to be a real disappointment to work with as well, which is 
really upsetting to me.  My dad does a lot with it on his ipad, and uplodes it 
to facebook, so I thought I could possibly create some of those same tracks, 
until I tried in vain and after accidentally taping on drums I didn’t want, and 
not being able to correct them, then after watching him create tracks with his 
ipad, seeing how he was able to take them in and out on the fly, something you 
apparently can’t do with voiceover, and how knowing your musical notes helps 
(something I’m not good with) I’ve for the most part given it up.

On Jul 13, 2016, at 7:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:

OK guys,

First of all, no doubt, I get that this isn't gonna be the experience I'd have 
on the mac OSX side of things with ProTools, or Logic, but I really would like 
some serious thought on this.  I've got an IPad, and really would like to know 
to what extent the accessibility is with the iOS version of Garageband.  When I 
tried it last, I couldn't make any sense of its UI at all.

I've had a few people from this list, don't remember who, who told me flat out 
that Garageband did work with Voiceover on iOS.  They said I can bring the on 
screen keyboard up, then can do little things like playing Mary had a Little 
lamb, or hot cross buns.  OK, that's all fine and kiddy kiddy, here, kiddy 
kiddy, nice, kiddy, but I wanna get some real brutally hone

RE: Audible members: I just found a piece of gold!

[Simon Fogarty]

That app sounds very bad chris and I wont for one be looking in to it any 
further.

Cough cough!



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Monday, 18 July 2016 12:40 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Audible members: I just found a piece of gold!

Have you ever been like me, wishing that you could strip the DRM out of your... 
ahim, legally? LOL! purchased Audible books, and convert them to an mp3?

Well, for $35, now, you can.  And may I add, this app is totally 100% 
accessible.

Basically, what it does is, it goes through your ITunes library and finds all 
audio books, be it Audible, or purchased directly from ITunes.  It then gives 
you a table, which by the way, you can do a keyword search if you have a lot, 
you select your books, hit convert, and presto!

This thing supports Flac, Wave, mp3, M4A, and I think maybe 1 or two others for 
the output formats.

It's gorgeous!  I've been converting all my books to losless flac, so that I 
could then play them through my Sonos wireless speaker set, as those things 
support Flac.  Trust me.  It is beautiful!

So, the name of the app is Tunekit Audio Book Converter.

You can learn more about it from

http://www.tunekit.com

They also have an M4V converter, but I've not tried it.

The book converter does have a trial.  It lets you convert the first 3 minutes 
of any book of your hcoice.  After that, you have to register.  It's very very 
very worth it though.

Their download page is at:

http://www.tunekit.com/download

and the direct link to the Book Converter DMG is:

http://www.tuneskit.com/download/AudiobookConvertforMac.dmg

They have a Windows version, but I have no clue of its accessibility, so buyer, 
beware.

Chris.
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RE: iOS 10 is a total mess

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Stacey,

 No cost, and if you go to 
Beta.apple.com 
In your ios browser safari etc and then follow the links 

It's a public beta so it's open to anyone so long as  you have an itunes 
account 

Good luck.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Stacey Robinson
Sent: Monday, 18 July 2016 1:13 AM
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: iOS 10 is a total mess

How can I find out more about the public beta and can anyone download it?
Does it cost anything?
If this is offtopic please write me offlist.
Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

> On Jul 17, 2016, at 5:46 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> I can't really go into any specifics, but I'll just say in my opinion, the 
> iOS 10 beta even from the first day I got it with WWDC paid devs, was 
> probably the most rock solid most stable beta I think that I've ever seen!
> 
> If anyone is saying iOS is a mess, they really need to look at things more 
> objectively.
> ---
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> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
> clgillan...@gmail.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 
> To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 5:47 AM
> Subject: Re: iOS 10 is a total mess
> 
> 
> Hi. I haven't read the whole article mainly because I can't open a reader 
> window, but from what I've read, it seems like it's a total whine fest. I 
> mean, has the guy used beta software before? It's called "beta" for a reason. 
> There will be bugs, but who's to say that these bugs will remain in the next 
> beta or even this fall? If you can't stand the bugs, don't install the beta. 
> Plain and simple.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
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>> http://www.zdnet.com/article/ios-10-is-a-total-mess/#ftag=RSSbaffb68
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