Chris, Did you by any chance ask him how much voiceover usage knowledge did he have?
I know how to drive a car but I wouldn’t say I was great at it. Or that all blind people can do it. I wonder if we have a apple accessibility contact team here in NZ. Might be worth while giving them a call about one of their products From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret jr Sent: Sunday, 17 July 2016 11:15 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: A question I'd really like some serious thought to be given to regarding iOS. You mean you had this kind of exchange with Apple Accessibility? My goodness. Maybe we need actual blind people working in that department: then, we’d get some actually accurate information. While I’m glad you showed him up on his ignorance, I’m not glad it took your effort to make it a reality. Seems to me we’ve got a fair bit of work ahead of us. Was he an American at least? Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!!!!! On Jul 17, 2016, at 2:29 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com<mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote: That's kind of what I had suspected to hear. I just wanted to check. What's worse is, when I spoke to Apple Accessibility over the phone, they swore to god it was stupidly ridiculously accessible with Voiceover. When I insisted to the guy, no it's not, he's like, all of our native Apple apps are super accessible. Just to kind of play with his head a bit, being we all know, that's just a roundhanded assumption with no prior research, it's obvious, I said to him, "Oh! OK, so you're saying I can edit pictures, crop, remove red eye, adjust brightness/tone, create and remove layers, remove shadowing, etc. with Apogy, which is a photo editer." He's like, well, no. I never said that. I'm like, but you did! You said all! Apple native apps work ridiculously well with Voiceover. He's like, OK, fine, not all do, but most do. GB being one of them. I clarified with him I didn't mean on OSX, I meant on iOS. He's like, yes. I know that. Yes, it's totally usable. So, I grabbed my IPad and fired it up. I asked him then to show me how to import a karaoke track, lay down my vocals, and then add some effects to my vocal track. About 2 minutes into him trying to guide me through the screen, it was very apparent to him that we were getting absolutely nowhere. He's like, ok, this is imbarrassing. I tell you all things we make are accessible. This thing's a piece of crap! I'm like, Gee! Ya think? Now! What're we gonna do about it? He's like I don't know. I'll sent a ticket up to the engineers, but that's about all I can do here. In his defense, I'll grant him that. But, I just wish some of these reps would do their freaking homework before just up and out yammerring something they don't honestly know the answer to. I found that extremely irritating! --- Christopher Gilland JAWS Certified, 2016. Training Instructor. clgillan...@gmail.com<mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com> Phone: (704) 256-8010. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jessica Moss<mailto:junglebookfa...@gmail.com> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 2:55 PM Subject: Re: A question I'd really like some serious thought to be given to regarding iOS. I find Garage band to be a real disappointment to work with as well, which is really upsetting to me. My dad does a lot with it on his ipad, and uplodes it to facebook, so I thought I could possibly create some of those same tracks, until I tried in vain and after accidentally taping on drums I didn’t want, and not being able to correct them, then after watching him create tracks with his ipad, seeing how he was able to take them in and out on the fly, something you apparently can’t do with voiceover, and how knowing your musical notes helps (something I’m not good with) I’ve for the most part given it up. On Jul 13, 2016, at 7:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com<mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote: OK guys, First of all, no doubt, I get that this isn't gonna be the experience I'd have on the mac OSX side of things with ProTools, or Logic, but I really would like some serious thought on this. I've got an IPad, and really would like to know to what extent the accessibility is with the iOS version of Garageband. When I tried it last, I couldn't make any sense of its UI at all. I've had a few people from this list, don't remember who, who told me flat out that Garageband did work with Voiceover on iOS. They said I can bring the on screen keyboard up, then can do little things like playing Mary had a Little lamb, or hot cross buns. OK, that's all fine and kiddy kiddy, here, kiddy kiddy, nice, kiddy, but I wanna get some real brutally honest answers here from people who may be a little above the level of Twinkle. OK, inevitably, it's an on screen keyboard, so I'm not gonna really be able to do Moonlight Sonata, or Hendel Messiah's Hallelujah chorus, LOL! Not that I'd do those anyway, but point is, I know I'd be somewhat limited, but really how much power do we have with Voiceover either on or off? Keep in mind, though I have some vision, if I turned off Voiceover, I really don't have enough usable sight to do anything all that productive, not even with Zoom. Ultimately, what I'd like to do is to look at getting an audio interface that would let me connect my IPad via its lightning port, then record directly into it with a professional grade microphone which would connect to the interface via male to female XLR mike cable, then maybe also patch in my keyboard with standard stareo quarter inch gold tip plugs. Basically I want an interface like I already have only one that has IPad or IPhone docking ability so I could let the IPad basically be the recording DAW hardware. Ideally, I'd already have stem tracks of all the instruments. I'd simply just want to be able to import those wave or mp3 stems into my GB project, again, on iOS, not on OSX, on to seperet stereo audio tracks, then create a mono audio track for my vocals, track them, and maybe some backings, then add maybe a little delay, or maybe a little reverb to the vocals, maybe lay down a backing part, then bounce to M4A, or mp3, and somehow then get it back over to my mac for further distribution. I know in the sighted world, all of this is super super super doable. I just don't know how much I could actually do with Voiceover. Again, I'm perfectly happy/comfortable with doing all this from my mac. I'm just trying to figure out specifically on iOS. Am I wishing way too much for GB at this point from an accessibility standpoint? I probably am, but I can't help asking. Again, basic little things, banging out If you're birdy and you know it chirp along, is one thing, but can I really! actually use this for production work? I don't need to edit things right now. I just need to record. If I goof up, then just undo, and do another take. I'm not concerned with routing through AUX tracks, or sends, I'm not interested in comping, I don't need to write automation, none of that. I just need to bang out a basic recording of my vocals on top of a few stem tracks, then bounce it out. Any thoughts? I know, again, you get the point, but I cannot stress enough, I'm asking about GB on iOS, not! on OSX with the mac. Make that entirely clear. Chris. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. 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