You mean you had this kind of exchange with Apple Accessibility? My goodness. Maybe we need actual blind people working in that department: then, we’d get some actually accurate information. While I’m glad you showed him up on his ignorance, I’m not glad it took your effort to make it a reality. Seems to me we’ve got a fair bit of work ahead of us. Was he an American at least?
Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!!!!! > On Jul 17, 2016, at 2:29 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > That's kind of what I had suspected to hear. I just wanted to check. > > What's worse is, when I spoke to Apple Accessibility over the phone, they > swore to god it was stupidly ridiculously accessible with Voiceover. > > When I insisted to the guy, no it's not, he's like, all of our native Apple > apps are super accessible. > > Just to kind of play with his head a bit, being we all know, that's just a > roundhanded assumption with no prior research, it's obvious, I said to him, > "Oh! OK, so you're saying I can edit pictures, crop, remove red eye, adjust > brightness/tone, create and remove layers, remove shadowing, etc. with Apogy, > which is a photo editer." He's like, well, no. I never said that. I'm > like, but you did! You said all! Apple native apps work ridiculously well > with Voiceover. He's like, OK, fine, not all do, but most do. GB being one > of them. > > I clarified with him I didn't mean on OSX, I meant on iOS. He's like, yes. > I know that. Yes, it's totally usable. > > So, I grabbed my IPad and fired it up. I asked him then to show me how to > import a karaoke track, lay down my vocals, and then add some effects to my > vocal track. > > About 2 minutes into him trying to guide me through the screen, it was very > apparent to him that we were getting absolutely nowhere. > > He's like, ok, this is imbarrassing. I tell you all things we make are > accessible. This thing's a piece of crap! I'm like, Gee! Ya think? Now! > What're we gonna do about it? > > He's like I don't know. I'll sent a ticket up to the engineers, but that's > about all I can do here. In his defense, I'll grant him that. But, I just > wish some of these reps would do their freaking homework before just up and > out yammerring something they don't honestly know the answer to. I found > that extremely irritating! > --- > Christopher Gilland > JAWS Certified, 2016. > Training Instructor. > > clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com> > Phone: (704) 256-8010. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jessica Moss <mailto:junglebookfa...@gmail.com> >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 2:55 PM >> Subject: Re: A question I'd really like some serious thought to be given to >> regarding iOS. >> >> I find Garage band to be a real disappointment to work with as well, which >> is really upsetting to me. My dad does a lot with it on his ipad, and >> uplodes it to facebook, so I thought I could possibly create some of those >> same tracks, until I tried in vain and after accidentally taping on drums I >> didn’t want, and not being able to correct them, then after watching him >> create tracks with his ipad, seeing how he was able to take them in and out >> on the fly, something you apparently can’t do with voiceover, and how >> knowing your musical notes helps (something I’m not good with) I’ve for the >> most part given it up. >> >>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 7:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland >>> <clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> OK guys, >>> >>> First of all, no doubt, I get that this isn't gonna be the experience I'd >>> have on the mac OSX side of things with ProTools, or Logic, but I really >>> would like some serious thought on this. I've got an IPad, and really >>> would like to know to what extent the accessibility is with the iOS version >>> of Garageband. When I tried it last, I couldn't make any sense of its UI >>> at all. >>> >>> I've had a few people from this list, don't remember who, who told me flat >>> out that Garageband did work with Voiceover on iOS. They said I can bring >>> the on screen keyboard up, then can do little things like playing Mary had >>> a Little lamb, or hot cross buns. OK, that's all fine and kiddy kiddy, >>> here, kiddy kiddy, nice, kiddy, but I wanna get some real brutally honest >>> answers here from people who may be a little above the level of Twinkle. >>> OK, inevitably, it's an on screen keyboard, so I'm not gonna really be able >>> to do Moonlight Sonata, or Hendel Messiah's Hallelujah chorus, LOL! Not >>> that I'd do those anyway, but point is, I know I'd be somewhat limited, but >>> really how much power do we have with Voiceover either on or off? Keep in >>> mind, though I have some vision, if I turned off Voiceover, I really don't >>> have enough usable sight to do anything all that productive, not even with >>> Zoom. >>> >>> Ultimately, what I'd like to do is to look at getting an audio interface >>> that would let me connect my IPad via its lightning port, then record >>> directly into it with a professional grade microphone which would connect >>> to the interface via male to female XLR mike cable, then maybe also patch >>> in my keyboard with standard stareo quarter inch gold tip plugs. Basically >>> I want an interface like I already have only one that has IPad or IPhone >>> docking ability so I could let the IPad basically be the recording DAW >>> hardware. >>> >>> Ideally, I'd already have stem tracks of all the instruments. I'd simply >>> just want to be able to import those wave or mp3 stems into my GB project, >>> again, on iOS, not on OSX, on to seperet stereo audio tracks, then create a >>> mono audio track for my vocals, track them, and maybe some backings, then >>> add maybe a little delay, or maybe a little reverb to the vocals, maybe lay >>> down a backing part, then bounce to M4A, or mp3, and somehow then get it >>> back over to my mac for further distribution. >>> >>> I know in the sighted world, all of this is super super super doable. I >>> just don't know how much I could actually do with Voiceover. Again, I'm >>> perfectly happy/comfortable with doing all this from my mac. I'm just >>> trying to figure out specifically on iOS. >>> >>> Am I wishing way too much for GB at this point from an accessibility >>> standpoint? I probably am, but I can't help asking. Again, basic little >>> things, banging out If you're birdy and you know it chirp along, is one >>> thing, but can I really! actually use this for production work? I don't >>> need to edit things right now. I just need to record. If I goof up, then >>> just undo, and do another take. I'm not concerned with routing through AUX >>> tracks, or sends, I'm not interested in comping, I don't need to write >>> automation, none of that. I just need to bang out a basic recording of my >>> vocals on top of a few stem tracks, then bounce it out. >>> >>> Any thoughts? I know, again, you get the point, but I cannot stress >>> enough, I'm asking about GB on iOS, not! on OSX with the mac. 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