OS X beta.

[sadam . lists]

Hi all, 

I would like to install the current beta and am wondering how stable the 
current release is? 

If you would like to make contact off the list regarding this feel free to 
reach out. 

Thanks in advance, 

Sadam Ahmed 

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Re: Fwd: I Tunes Match.

[Chris]

Hi yes it does, with an Apple Music subscription you can access your 
matched content from the "My Music" section.


On 06/08/2015 07:44, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:





Begin forwarded message:


From: Kawal Gucukoglu 
Date: 6 August 2015 7:42:11 am BST
To: "macvisionaries@googlegroups.com" 
Subject: Re: I Tunes Match.

So if you import a CD to  your library, and you have the match subscription, 
does the music go to the cloud?




On 6 Aug 2015, at 12:15 am, Daniel Miller  wrote:

Hi,

iTunes Match is now iCloud Music Library. All references to iTunes Match have 
been removed. The only way a reference to that will show up is if you sign out 
of your account, and then it’ll show up in the Account menu.


On Aug 5, 2015, at 5:43 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

Please could someone tell me where iTunes Match is as I can't find it in the 
latest iTunes and have looked through all the menus.

Thanks.

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Re: Menu extras keystroke

[Chris]

VO-m-m or control-f8.

On 06/08/2015 06:33, Pamela Francis wrote:

Folks, forgive my ignorance. I am drawing a blank on the keystroke to get me 
into menu extras.
Thanks much

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clean my mac helper does not work.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I don’t know if someone has a sollution but i was running clean my mac helper 
but there seems to be no windows opened.
I can’t drag the voiceover pointer there either.
Not even the mouse pointer.
I have tried the windows choocer and also the programs choocer with no luck.
Any thoughts?
Thanks.
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Re: OS X beta.

[Ray Foret Jr]

Let me gentally remind you that we cannot discuss beta findings here.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in

> On Aug 6, 2015, at 2:40 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> I would like to install the current beta and am wondering how stable the 
> current release is? 
> 
> If you would like to make contact off the list regarding this feel free to 
> reach out. 
> 
> Thanks in advance, 
> 
> Sadam Ahmed 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
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Re: OS X beta.

[sadam . lists]

Ray, 

I'm not asking for specifics. 

Only gauging the suitability of putting this on my Mac. 

The question was quite broad. 

Don't think it breaks NDA. 

Sent from my iPhone 

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> On 6 Aug 2015, at 7:23 pm, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
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> Let me gentally remind you that we cannot discuss beta findings here.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> 
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> 
> Sent from my Mac,
> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 2:40 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, 
>> 
>> I would like to install the current beta and am wondering how stable the 
>> current release is? 
>> 
>> If you would like to make contact off the list regarding this feel free to 
>> reach out. 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance, 
>> 
>> Sadam Ahmed 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 
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Re: [Virus Error] Mac software to "freeze" the system

[Chris]

Hi I have noticed this too, I am using iCloud Mail so am wondering if 
their junk filtr is flagging certain messages as viruses yet they are 
coming to my inbox? I will do a full scan of my PC to make sure I am not 
really infected though.


On 05/08/2015 22:36, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:

Hey Chris. This isn't an answer to your question but I wonder if you noticed 
that it has the words Virus Error before your subject? Is your computer somehow 
infected or something?

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com


On Aug 5, 2015, at 2:10 PM, Chris  wrote:

Hi all
Not sure if this is a good enough subject, does anybody know of a mac program 
that freezes your system at its current state so that any changes you make will 
be discarded upon a reboot? Programs on the Windows platform like Toolwiz Time 
Freeze does such a thing.
Thank you, any suggestions greatly appreciated.

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Re: Menu extras keystroke

[Pamela Francis]

I certainly appreciate that folks.  I feel like an idiot. For whatever reason, 
I drew a complete blank. No, not having a stroke. Just a senior moment. :-)

Pam Francis

On Aug 6, 2015, at 3:13 AM, Chris  wrote:

VO-m-m or control-f8.

> On 06/08/2015 06:33, Pamela Francis wrote:
> Folks, forgive my ignorance. I am drawing a blank on the keystroke to get me 
> into menu extras.
> Thanks much
> 
> Pam Francis
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Re: OS X beta.

[Ray Foret Jr]

With respect, I disagree.  You did ask for something to specific to discuss 
with you either privately or otherwise.  To ask how stable a beta OS is 
something that touches on a degree of specifity which is not something I for 
one am willing to go in to.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in

> On Aug 6, 2015, at 4:39 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Ray, 
> 
> I'm not asking for specifics. 
> 
> Only gauging the suitability of putting this on my Mac. 
> 
> The question was quite broad. 
> 
> Don't think it breaks NDA. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
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> 
> 
> On 6 Aug 2015, at 7:23 pm, Ray Foret Jr  > wrote:
> 
>> Let me gentally remind you that we cannot discuss beta findings here.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> 
>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac,
>> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 2:40 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all, 
>>> 
>>> I would like to install the current beta and am wondering how stable the 
>>> current release is? 
>>> 
>>> If you would like to make contact off the list regarding this feel free to 
>>> reach out. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance, 
>>> 
>>> Sadam Ahmed 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>> 
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Re: Menu extras keystroke

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Pam,

there are a few ways this can be done.

Vo+M, followed by a second vo+M will do it.  If you'd like to get their more 
directly though, then just simply press ctrl+F8.


Here are two more you may find useful...  Ctrl+F2 is the same as pressing 
vo+M one time to get to the menu bar.


And ctrl+F3 is the same as pressing vo+D to get to your dock.

Those can be changed though... I mean the ctrl+F8, F2, and F3.  So if you 
don't like them...


Let me know if you'd like me to give you step by step directions on how to 
remap those.


Chris.

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To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 1:33 AM
Subject: Menu extras keystroke


Folks, forgive my ignorance. I am drawing a blank on the keystroke to get 
me into menu extras.

Thanks much

Pam Francis

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Re: I Tunes Match.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Actually, I was wonderring identically the same thing, only if you didn't! have 
match, what would happen, if anything?  would I have to then rip the CD on each 
one of my macs?  Not that this is an issue at all, if so, but just am curious.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Kawal Gucukoglu 
  To: Macvisionaries ; apple4beginn...@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 2:44 AM
  Subject: Fwd: I Tunes Match.







  Begin forwarded message:


From: Kawal Gucukoglu 
Date: 6 August 2015 7:42:11 am BST
To: "macvisionaries@googlegroups.com" 
Subject: Re: I Tunes Match.


So if you import a CD to  your library, and you have the match 
subscription, does the music go to the cloud?




  On 6 Aug 2015, at 12:15 am, Daniel Miller  wrote:



  Hi,



  iTunes Match is now iCloud Music Library. All references to iTunes Match 
have been removed. The only way a reference to that will show up is if you sign 
out of your account, and then it’ll show up in the Account menu.



On Aug 5, 2015, at 5:43 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:



Please could someone tell me where iTunes Match is as I can't find it 
in the latest iTunes and have looked through all the menus.



Thanks.



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Re: Fwd: I Tunes Match.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Chris,

I do have Apple Music, obviously, but not Match.  So, do you know how that 
would then work?


Chris.

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To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 4:11 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd: I Tunes Match.


Hi yes it does, with an Apple Music subscription you can access your
matched content from the "My Music" section.

On 06/08/2015 07:44, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:





Begin forwarded message:


From: Kawal Gucukoglu 
Date: 6 August 2015 7:42:11 am BST
To: "macvisionaries@googlegroups.com" 
Subject: Re: I Tunes Match.

So if you import a CD to  your library, and you have the match 
subscription, does the music go to the cloud?





On 6 Aug 2015, at 12:15 am, Daniel Miller  wrote:

Hi,

iTunes Match is now iCloud Music Library. All references to iTunes Match 
have been removed. The only way a reference to that will show up is if 
you sign out of your account, and then it’ll show up in the Account 
menu.



On Aug 5, 2015, at 5:43 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

Please could someone tell me where iTunes Match is as I can't find it 
in the latest iTunes and have looked through all the menus.


Thanks.

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Re: Menu extras keystroke

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I just want to clarify something Chris said here which has confused a lot of 
my students.  When we say Vo+M M, we don't mean hold the voiceover keys 
down:  ctrl+option, while hitting the letter M, release all 3 keys, then hit 
the letter m all by itself.  That won't do it.


This is why I never say vo+M M.  That's very confusing.

I always say vo+M, so hold down your voiceover keys, ctrl+option.  While 
they are both down, hit the letter M.  Now, keep your voiceover keys held 
down, and hit the letter M again, a second time.


This should focus you on menu extras, and now you can vo+left and right 
arrow horizontally across the extras bar.  When you find the icon you need, 
simply press vo+space on it, and then you should be able to navigate the 
menu.


Chris.

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To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 4:13 AM
Subject: Re: Menu extras keystroke



VO-m-m or control-f8.

On 06/08/2015 06:33, Pamela Francis wrote:
Folks, forgive my ignorance. I am drawing a blank on the keystroke to get 
me into menu extras.

Thanks much

Pam Francis



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Re: OS X beta.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Ray, I highly doubt the others care.  I've tried beating this in their head for 
months now.  Frankly, I'm through with trying.  LOL!

I agree totally with you though.

Chris.

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  To: Mac Visionaries List 
  Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 5:23 AM
  Subject: Re: OS X beta.


  Let me gentally remind you that we cannot discuss beta findings here.




  Sincerely,
  The Constantly Barefooted Ray


  Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

  Sent from my Mac,
  the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in


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Hi all, 

I would like to install the current beta and am wondering how stable the 
current release is? 

If you would like to make contact off the list regarding this feel free to 
reach out. 

Thanks in advance, 

Sadam Ahmed 

Sent from my iPhone 

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Re: OS X beta.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, yes, it's stable.

There.  I won't say more though.

Chris.

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  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 5:39 AM
  Subject: Re: OS X beta.


  Ray, 


  I'm not asking for specifics. 


  Only gauging the suitability of putting this on my Mac. 


  The question was quite broad. 


  Don't think it breaks NDA. 

  Sent from my iPhone 


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  On 6 Aug 2015, at 7:23 pm, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:


Let me gentally remind you that we cannot discuss beta findings here.




Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray


Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in


  On Aug 6, 2015, at 2:40 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:


  Hi all, 

  I would like to install the current beta and am wondering how stable the 
current release is? 

  If you would like to make contact off the list regarding this feel free 
to reach out. 

  Thanks in advance, 

  Sadam Ahmed 

  Sent from my iPhone 

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Re: Menu extras keystroke

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Don't feel stupid!  It's quite OK.  It happens to the best of us!

I'm glad that we all could assist.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Pamela Francis" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: Menu extras keystroke


I certainly appreciate that folks.  I feel like an idiot. For whatever 
reason, I drew a complete blank. No, not having a stroke. Just a senior 
moment. :-)


Pam Francis

On Aug 6, 2015, at 3:13 AM, Chris  wrote:

VO-m-m or control-f8.


On 06/08/2015 06:33, Pamela Francis wrote:
Folks, forgive my ignorance. I am drawing a blank on the keystroke to get 
me into menu extras.

Thanks much

Pam Francis



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Re: OS X beta.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I'm willing to say that yes, it's stable enough to run, but really, that's all 
I can say.  I agree with Ray.  That's kind of a grey area.

I can see both sides.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ray Foret Jr 
  To: Mac Visionaries List 
  Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 7:30 AM
  Subject: Re: OS X beta.


  With respect, I disagree.  You did ask for something to specific to discuss 
with you either privately or otherwise.  To ask how stable a beta OS is 
something that touches on a degree of specifity which is not something I for 
one am willing to go in to.




  Sincerely,
  The Constantly Barefooted Ray


  Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

  Sent from my Mac,
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On Aug 6, 2015, at 4:39 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:


Ray, 


I'm not asking for specifics. 


Only gauging the suitability of putting this on my Mac. 


The question was quite broad. 


Don't think it breaks NDA. 

Sent from my iPhone 


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  Let me gentally remind you that we cannot discuss beta findings here.




  Sincerely,
  The Constantly Barefooted Ray


  Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

  Sent from my Mac,
  the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in


On Aug 6, 2015, at 2:40 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi all, 

I would like to install the current beta and am wondering how stable 
the current release is? 

If you would like to make contact off the list regarding this feel free 
to reach out. 

Thanks in advance, 

Sadam Ahmed 

Sent from my iPhone 

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Re: OS X beta.

[Sadam Ahmed]

So, where in my message am I going into specifics? 

Yes it’s stable at this time. Or no hold off there are a couple of issues. That 
would suffice. 

With Best regards, 

Sadam Ahmed 

Diploma of International Business candidate 

RMIT University 

Blog: 

Http://www.SadamAhmed.com 

Sent using OS X Mail 







> On 6 Aug 2015, at 9:30 pm, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> With respect, I disagree.  You did ask for something to specific to discuss 
> with you either privately or otherwise.  To ask how stable a beta OS is 
> something that touches on a degree of specifity which is not something I for 
> one am willing to go in to.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> 
> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
> Sent from my Mac,
> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 4:39 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Ray, 
>> 
>> I'm not asking for specifics. 
>> 
>> Only gauging the suitability of putting this on my Mac. 
>> 
>> The question was quite broad. 
>> 
>> Don't think it breaks NDA. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 6 Aug 2015, at 7:23 pm, Ray Foret Jr > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Let me gentally remind you that we cannot discuss beta findings here.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> 
>>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac,
>>> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>>> 
 On Aug 6, 2015, at 2:40 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com 
  wrote:
 
 Hi all, 
 
 I would like to install the current beta and am wondering how stable the 
 current release is? 
 
 If you would like to make contact off the list regarding this feel free to 
 reach out. 
 
 Thanks in advance, 
 
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Re: OS X beta.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I have to say in this particular case, I agree with Sadam.  It's not like he's 
asking for specifics.  He just wanted a general yes, or no.

I guess the only agreement with Ray I would have is, admittedly, this is kind 
of a grey area, as what one may think is unstable, someone else may not really 
be as concerned about.

Over all though, yes, Sadam, I think it's safe to install, for what it's worth.

Yeah, there are some issues, but I don't think they're to the point of being 
debilitating.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Sadam Ahmed 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 9:21 AM
  Subject: Re: OS X beta.


  So, where in my message am I going into specifics? 


  Yes it’s stable at this time. Or no hold off there are a couple of issues. 
That would suffice. 


  With Best regards, 


  Sadam Ahmed 


  Diploma of International Business candidate 


  RMIT University 


  Blog: 


  Http://www.SadamAhmed.com 


  Sent using OS X Mail 













On 6 Aug 2015, at 9:30 pm, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:


With respect, I disagree.  You did ask for something to specific to discuss 
with you either privately or otherwise.  To ask how stable a beta OS is 
something that touches on a degree of specifity which is not something I for 
one am willing to go in to.




Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray


Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in


  On Aug 6, 2015, at 4:39 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:


  Ray, 


  I'm not asking for specifics. 


  Only gauging the suitability of putting this on my Mac. 


  The question was quite broad. 


  Don't think it breaks NDA. 

  Sent from my iPhone 


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  On 6 Aug 2015, at 7:23 pm, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:


Let me gentally remind you that we cannot discuss beta findings here.




Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray


Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in


  On Aug 6, 2015, at 2:40 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:


  Hi all, 

  I would like to install the current beta and am wondering how stable 
the current release is? 

  If you would like to make contact off the list regarding this feel 
free to reach out. 

  Thanks in advance, 

  Sadam Ahmed 

  Sent from my iPhone 

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Re: OS X beta.

[E.T.]

   In the first place, asking if beta software is stable is an 
oxymoron. If stability is a concern, I would wait for the final release.


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   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 8/6/2015 6:21 AM, Sadam Ahmed wrote:

So, where in my message am I going into specifics?

Yes it’s stable at this time. Or no hold off there are a couple of
issues. That would suffice.

With Best regards,

Sadam Ahmed

Diploma of International Business candidate

RMIT University

Blog:

Http://www.SadamAhmed.com

Sent using OS X Mail








On 6 Aug 2015, at 9:30 pm, Ray Foret Jr mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:

With respect, I disagree.  You did ask for something to specific to
discuss with you either privately or otherwise.  To ask how stable a
beta OS is something that touches on a degree of specifity which is
not something I for one am willing to go in to.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
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On Aug 6, 2015, at 4:39 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com
 wrote:

Ray,

I'm not asking for specifics.

Only gauging the suitability of putting this on my Mac.

The question was quite broad.

Don't think it breaks NDA.

Sent from my iPhone

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Let me gentally remind you that we cannot discuss beta findings here.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in


On Aug 6, 2015, at 2:40 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com
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Hi all,

I would like to install the current beta and am wondering how
stable the current release is?

If you would like to make contact off the list regarding this feel
free to reach out.

Thanks in advance,

Sadam Ahmed

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Re: OS X beta.

[Les Kriegler]

Okay, a question here.  If this is a public beta, then why can’t questions be 
asked?  If it’s as it was before and it wasn’t public, then I could understand. 
 But if Apple is now going public with their betas, then I would think this is 
open for discussion.  Now, if Im confusing the public beta with OS 9, then I 
apologize for the question.  Thanks.

Les
> On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> I have to say in this particular case, I agree with Sadam.  It's not like 
> he's asking for specifics.  He just wanted a general yes, or no.
>  
> I guess the only agreement with Ray I would have is, admittedly, this is kind 
> of a grey area, as what one may think is unstable, someone else may not 
> really be as concerned about.
>  
> Over all though, yes, Sadam, I think it's safe to install, for what it's 
> worth.
>  
> Yeah, there are some issues, but I don't think they're to the point of being 
> debilitating.
>  
> Chris.
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Sadam Ahmed 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 9:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: OS X beta.
>> 
>> So, where in my message am I going into specifics? 
>> 
>> Yes it’s stable at this time. Or no hold off there are a couple of issues. 
>> That would suffice. 
>> 
>> With Best regards, 
>> 
>> Sadam Ahmed 
>> 
>> Diploma of International Business candidate 
>> 
>> RMIT University 
>> 
>> Blog: 
>> 
>> Http://www.SadamAhmed.com  
>> 
>> Sent using OS X Mail 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6 Aug 2015, at 9:30 pm, Ray Foret Jr >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> With respect, I disagree.  You did ask for something to specific to discuss 
>>> with you either privately or otherwise.  To ask how stable a beta OS is 
>>> something that touches on a degree of specifity which is not something I 
>>> for one am willing to go in to.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> 
>>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac,
>>> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>>> 
 On Aug 6, 2015, at 4:39 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com 
  wrote:
 
 Ray, 
 
 I'm not asking for specifics. 
 
 Only gauging the suitability of putting this on my Mac. 
 
 The question was quite broad. 
 
 Don't think it breaks NDA. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone 
 
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> Let me gentally remind you that we cannot discuss beta findings here.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> 
> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
> Sent from my Mac,
> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 2:40 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, 
>> 
>> I would like to install the current beta and am wondering how stable the 
>> current release is? 
>> 
>> If you would like to make contact off the list regarding this feel free 
>> to reach out. 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance, 
>> 
>> Sadam Ahmed 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 
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Re: OS X beta.

[Joe Quinn]

The only thing that has changed in the betas is that you no longer "need" to 
have a developer account.  Thus making it a "public" beta. NDA still applies.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 6, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Okay, a question here.  If this is a public beta, then why can’t questions be 
> asked?  If it’s as it was before and it wasn’t public, then I could 
> understand.  But if Apple is now going public with their betas, then I would 
> think this is open for discussion.  Now, if Im confusing the public beta with 
> OS 9, then I apologize for the question.  Thanks.
> 
> Les
>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have to say in this particular case, I agree with Sadam.  It's not like 
>> he's asking for specifics.  He just wanted a general yes, or no.
>>  
>> I guess the only agreement with Ray I would have is, admittedly, this is 
>> kind of a grey area, as what one may think is unstable, someone else may not 
>> really be as concerned about.
>>  
>> Over all though, yes, Sadam, I think it's safe to install, for what it's 
>> worth.
>>  
>> Yeah, there are some issues, but I don't think they're to the point of being 
>> debilitating.
>>  
>> Chris.
>>  
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: Sadam Ahmed
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 9:21 AM
>>> Subject: Re: OS X beta.
>>> 
>>> So, where in my message am I going into specifics? 
>>> 
>>> Yes it’s stable at this time. Or no hold off there are a couple of issues. 
>>> That would suffice. 
>>> 
>>> With Best regards, 
>>> 
>>> Sadam Ahmed 
>>> 
>>> Diploma of International Business candidate 
>>> 
>>> RMIT University 
>>> 
>>> Blog: 
>>> 
>>> Http://www.SadamAhmed.com 
>>> 
>>> Sent using OS X Mail 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 6 Aug 2015, at 9:30 pm, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
 
 With respect, I disagree.  You did ask for something to specific to 
 discuss with you either privately or otherwise.  To ask how stable a beta 
 OS is something that touches on a degree of specifity which is not 
 something I for one am willing to go in to.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 
 Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
 
 Sent from my Mac,
 the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
 
> On Aug 6, 2015, at 4:39 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Ray, 
> 
> I'm not asking for specifics. 
> 
> Only gauging the suitability of putting this on my Mac. 
> 
> The question was quite broad. 
> 
> Don't think it breaks NDA. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 6 Aug 2015, at 7:23 pm, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>> Let me gentally remind you that we cannot discuss beta findings here.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> 
>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac,
>> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 2:40 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all, 
>>> 
>>> I would like to install the current beta and am wondering how stable 
>>> the current release is? 
>>> 
>>> If you would like to make contact off the list regarding this feel free 
>>> to reach out. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance, 
>>> 
>>> Sadam Ahmed 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>> 
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RE: OS X beta.

[Debbie April Yuille]

Hi Sadam

 

Personally, I would recommend making a full iTunes back of your phone and then 
you have the option to restore if you find the beta to be too unstable for your 
general use. Or, if you have more than one iDevice, I’d use the secondary 
device for the betas.

 

HTH

Debbie

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Sadam Ahmed
Sent: Thursday, 6 August 2015 11:21 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: OS X beta.

 

So, where in my message am I going into specifics? 

 

Yes it’s stable at this time. Or no hold off there are a couple of issues. That 
would suffice. 

 

With Best regards, 

 

Sadam Ahmed 

 

Diploma of International Business candidate 

 

RMIT University 

 

Blog: 

 

Http://www.SadamAhmed.com 

 

Sent using OS X Mail 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 6 Aug 2015, at 9:30 pm, Ray Foret Jr mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net> > wrote:

 

With respect, I disagree.  You did ask for something to specific to discuss 
with you either privately or otherwise.  To ask how stable a beta OS is 
something that touches on a degree of specifity which is not something I for 
one am willing to go in to.

 

 

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,

the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in

 

On Aug 6, 2015, at 4:39 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

 

Ray, 

 

I'm not asking for specifics. 

 

Only gauging the suitability of putting this on my Mac. 

 

The question was quite broad. 

 

Don't think it breaks NDA. 

Sent from my iPhone 

 

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On 6 Aug 2015, at 7:23 pm, Ray Foret Jr mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net> > wrote:

Let me gentally remind you that we cannot discuss beta findings here.

 

 

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,

the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in

 

On Aug 6, 2015, at 2:40 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

 

Hi all, 

I would like to install the current beta and am wondering how stable the 
current release is? 

If you would like to make contact off the list regarding this feel free to 
reach out. 

Thanks in advance, 

Sadam Ahmed 

Sent from my iPhone 

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Re: OS X beta.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yup, sure does.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Joe Quinn 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 10:22 AM
  Subject: Re: OS X beta.


  The only thing that has changed in the betas is that you no longer "need" to 
have a developer account.  Thus making it a "public" beta. NDA still applies.

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Aug 6, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:


Okay, a question here.  If this is a public beta, then why can’t questions 
be asked?  If it’s as it was before and it wasn’t public, then I could 
understand.  But if Apple is now going public with their betas, then I would 
think this is open for discussion.  Now, if Im confusing the public beta with 
OS 9, then I apologize for the question.  Thanks.


Les

  On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


  I have to say in this particular case, I agree with Sadam.  It's not like 
he's asking for specifics.  He just wanted a general yes, or no.

  I guess the only agreement with Ray I would have is, admittedly, this is 
kind of a grey area, as what one may think is unstable, someone else may not 
really be as concerned about.

  Over all though, yes, Sadam, I think it's safe to install, for what it's 
worth.

  Yeah, there are some issues, but I don't think they're to the point of 
being debilitating.

  Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Sadam Ahmed
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: OS X beta.


So, where in my message am I going into specifics? 


Yes it’s stable at this time. Or no hold off there are a couple of 
issues. That would suffice. 


With Best regards, 


Sadam Ahmed 


Diploma of International Business candidate 


RMIT University 


Blog: 


Http://www.SadamAhmed.com 


Sent using OS X Mail 













  On 6 Aug 2015, at 9:30 pm, Ray Foret Jr  
wrote:


  With respect, I disagree.  You did ask for something to specific to 
discuss with you either privately or otherwise.  To ask how stable a beta OS is 
something that touches on a degree of specifity which is not something I for 
one am willing to go in to.




  Sincerely,
  The Constantly Barefooted Ray


  Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

  Sent from my Mac,
  the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in


On Aug 6, 2015, at 4:39 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:


Ray, 


I'm not asking for specifics. 


Only gauging the suitability of putting this on my Mac. 


The question was quite broad. 


Don't think it breaks NDA. 

Sent from my iPhone 


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On 6 Aug 2015, at 7:23 pm, Ray Foret Jr  
wrote:


  Let me gentally remind you that we cannot discuss beta findings 
here.




  Sincerely,
  The Constantly Barefooted Ray


  Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

  Sent from my Mac,
  the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in


On Aug 6, 2015, at 2:40 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi all, 

I would like to install the current beta and am wondering how 
stable the current release is? 

If you would like to make contact off the list regarding this 
feel free to reach out. 

Thanks in advance, 

Sadam Ahmed 

Sent from my iPhone 

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Re: [Virus Error] Mac software to "freeze" the system

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

There is DeepFreeze for the Mac that will do what you're asking.  Not sure of 
it's accessibility as we no longer use it in our facilities.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 5, 2015, at 13:10, Chris  wrote:

Hi all
Not sure if this is a good enough subject, does anybody know of a mac program 
that freezes your system at its current state so that any changes you make will 
be discarded upon a reboot? Programs on the Windows platform like Toolwiz Time 
Freeze does such a thing.
Thank you, any suggestions greatly appreciated.

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Re: OS X beta.

[Les Kriegler]

Well, then that really doesn't make sense to me. How can you make something 
available to everybody and then swear everybody to secrecy.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Joe Quinn  wrote:
> 
> The only thing that has changed in the betas is that you no longer "need" to 
> have a developer account.  Thus making it a "public" beta. NDA still applies.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>> Okay, a question here.  If this is a public beta, then why can’t questions 
>> be asked?  If it’s as it was before and it wasn’t public, then I could 
>> understand.  But if Apple is now going public with their betas, then I would 
>> think this is open for discussion.  Now, if Im confusing the public beta 
>> with OS 9, then I apologize for the question.  Thanks.
>> 
>> Les
>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have to say in this particular case, I agree with Sadam.  It's not like 
>>> he's asking for specifics.  He just wanted a general yes, or no.
>>>  
>>> I guess the only agreement with Ray I would have is, admittedly, this is 
>>> kind of a grey area, as what one may think is unstable, someone else may 
>>> not really be as concerned about.
>>>  
>>> Over all though, yes, Sadam, I think it's safe to install, for what it's 
>>> worth.
>>>  
>>> Yeah, there are some issues, but I don't think they're to the point of 
>>> being debilitating.
>>>  
>>> Chris.
>>>  
 - Original Message - 
 From: Sadam Ahmed
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 9:21 AM
 Subject: Re: OS X beta.
 
 So, where in my message am I going into specifics? 
 
 Yes it’s stable at this time. Or no hold off there are a couple of issues. 
 That would suffice. 
 
 With Best regards, 
 
 Sadam Ahmed 
 
 Diploma of International Business candidate 
 
 RMIT University 
 
 Blog: 
 
 Http://www.SadamAhmed.com 
 
 Sent using OS X Mail 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
> On 6 Aug 2015, at 9:30 pm, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> With respect, I disagree.  You did ask for something to specific to 
> discuss with you either privately or otherwise.  To ask how stable a beta 
> OS is something that touches on a degree of specifity which is not 
> something I for one am willing to go in to.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> 
> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
> Sent from my Mac,
> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 4:39 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Ray, 
>> 
>> I'm not asking for specifics. 
>> 
>> Only gauging the suitability of putting this on my Mac. 
>> 
>> The question was quite broad. 
>> 
>> Don't think it breaks NDA. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6 Aug 2015, at 7:23 pm, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Let me gentally remind you that we cannot discuss beta findings here.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> 
>>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac,
>>> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>>> 
 On Aug 6, 2015, at 2:40 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all, 
 
 I would like to install the current beta and am wondering how stable 
 the current release is? 
 
 If you would like to make contact off the list regarding this feel 
 free to reach out. 
 
 Thanks in advance, 
 
 Sadam Ahmed 
 
 Sent from my iPhone 
 
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iCloud Drive

[Traci Duncan]

Ok, it is becoming more & more clear to me, that I need to switch over to 
iCloud drive.  If I do this, I need to update my Macbook Air Mid 2011 to 
Yosemity.  I have been reluctant, because I thought I have read on here there 
was some VoiceOver sluggishness.
  Before, I take the very late plunge…  Any tips or advice?

Thank you,
Traci

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Re: OS X beta.

[Joe Quinn]

as I've said, and I remember responding to this exact question, so, rather than 
reply again, I'll just put my original reply below. It still stands. The only 
thing I'll say different is that if ya don't like, or have questions about,e 
Apple or their policies in reguards to beta software, contact them about it. :( 
it may not make sense, but that's the way it is. NDA, and all that. in spite of 
it being public, ya still can't talk about it publically. now if something's 
released about IOS 9 from apple, then it can be discussed. I think that's the 
same for things that're released elsewhere. for instance cool blind tech did an 
overview of what is going to be in iOS 9. maybe they shouldn't've done that, 
NDA again, but they did.


> On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Well, then that really doesn't make sense to me. How can you make something 
> available to everybody and then swear everybody to secrecy.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Joe Quinn  wrote:
>> 
>> The only thing that has changed in the betas is that you no longer "need" to 
>> have a developer account.  Thus making it a "public" beta. NDA still applies.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Okay, a question here.  If this is a public beta, then why can’t questions 
>>> be asked?  If it’s as it was before and it wasn’t public, then I could 
>>> understand.  But if Apple is now going public with their betas, then I 
>>> would think this is open for discussion.  Now, if Im confusing the public 
>>> beta with OS 9, then I apologize for the question.  Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Les
 On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:
 
 I have to say in this particular case, I agree with Sadam.  It's not like 
 he's asking for specifics.  He just wanted a general yes, or no.
  
 I guess the only agreement with Ray I would have is, admittedly, this is 
 kind of a grey area, as what one may think is unstable, someone else may 
 not really be as concerned about.
  
 Over all though, yes, Sadam, I think it's safe to install, for what it's 
 worth.
  
 Yeah, there are some issues, but I don't think they're to the point of 
 being debilitating.
  
 Chris.
  
> - Original Message - 
> From: Sadam Ahmed
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 9:21 AM
> Subject: Re: OS X beta.
> 
> So, where in my message am I going into specifics? 
> 
> Yes it’s stable at this time. Or no hold off there are a couple of 
> issues. That would suffice. 
> 
> With Best regards, 
> 
> Sadam Ahmed 
> 
> Diploma of International Business candidate 
> 
> RMIT University 
> 
> Blog: 
> 
> Http://www.SadamAhmed.com 
> 
> Sent using OS X Mail 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 6 Aug 2015, at 9:30 pm, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>> With respect, I disagree.  You did ask for something to specific to 
>> discuss with you either privately or otherwise.  To ask how stable a 
>> beta OS is something that touches on a degree of specifity which is not 
>> something I for one am willing to go in to.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> 
>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac,
>> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 4:39 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ray, 
>>> 
>>> I'm not asking for specifics. 
>>> 
>>> Only gauging the suitability of putting this on my Mac. 
>>> 
>>> The question was quite broad. 
>>> 
>>> Don't think it breaks NDA. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 6 Aug 2015, at 7:23 pm, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
 
 Let me gentally remind you that we cannot discuss beta findings here.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 
 Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
 
 Sent from my Mac,
 the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
 
> On Aug 6, 2015, at 2:40 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> I would like to install the current beta and am wondering how stable 
> the current release is? 
> 
> If you would like to make contact off the list regarding this feel 
> free to reach out. 
> 
> Thanks in advance, 
> 
> Sadam Ahmed 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
> -- 
> 
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Re: iCloud Drive

[Daniel Miller]

Hi Tracy,

No, Voiceover works perfectly fine in Yosemite. In fact, starting in 10.10.2, 
they made improvements to responsiveness as opposed to earlier operating 
systems.
You should be fine to upgrade.

> On Aug 6, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Ok, it is becoming more & more clear to me, that I need to switch over to 
> iCloud drive.  If I do this, I need to update my Macbook Air Mid 2011 to 
> Yosemity.  I have been reluctant, because I thought I have read on here there 
> was some VoiceOver sluggishness.
>  Before, I take the very late plunge…  Any tips or advice?
> 
> Thank you,
> Traci
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Re: OS X beta.

[Les Kriegler]

Well, it really doesn't matter to me. I really could care less what Apple does. 
But the fact that they will allow iOS nine to be discussed and not OS X, that 
actually reinforces my opinion. Just my two cents worth.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 6, 2015, at 12:24 PM, Joe Quinn  wrote:
> 
> as I've said, and I remember responding to this exact question, so, rather 
> than reply again, I'll just put my original reply below. It still stands. The 
> only thing I'll say different is that if ya don't like, or have questions 
> about,e Apple or their policies in reguards to beta software, contact them 
> about it. :( 
> it may not make sense, but that's the way it is. NDA, and all that. in spite 
> of it being public, ya still can't talk about it publically. now if 
> something's released about IOS 9 from apple, then it can be discussed. I 
> think that's the same for things that're released elsewhere. for instance 
> cool blind tech did an overview of what is going to be in iOS 9. maybe they 
> shouldn't've done that, NDA again, but they did.
> 
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, then that really doesn't make sense to me. How can you make something 
>> available to everybody and then swear everybody to secrecy.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Joe Quinn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The only thing that has changed in the betas is that you no longer "need" 
>>> to have a developer account.  Thus making it a "public" beta. NDA still 
>>> applies.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 6, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
 
 Okay, a question here.  If this is a public beta, then why can’t questions 
 be asked?  If it’s as it was before and it wasn’t public, then I could 
 understand.  But if Apple is now going public with their betas, then I 
 would think this is open for discussion.  Now, if Im confusing the public 
 beta with OS 9, then I apologize for the question.  Thanks.
 
 Les
> On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have to say in this particular case, I agree with Sadam.  It's not like 
> he's asking for specifics.  He just wanted a general yes, or no.
>  
> I guess the only agreement with Ray I would have is, admittedly, this is 
> kind of a grey area, as what one may think is unstable, someone else may 
> not really be as concerned about.
>  
> Over all though, yes, Sadam, I think it's safe to install, for what it's 
> worth.
>  
> Yeah, there are some issues, but I don't think they're to the point of 
> being debilitating.
>  
> Chris.
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Sadam Ahmed
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 9:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: OS X beta.
>> 
>> So, where in my message am I going into specifics? 
>> 
>> Yes it’s stable at this time. Or no hold off there are a couple of 
>> issues. That would suffice. 
>> 
>> With Best regards, 
>> 
>> Sadam Ahmed 
>> 
>> Diploma of International Business candidate 
>> 
>> RMIT University 
>> 
>> Blog: 
>> 
>> Http://www.SadamAhmed.com 
>> 
>> Sent using OS X Mail 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6 Aug 2015, at 9:30 pm, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> With respect, I disagree.  You did ask for something to specific to 
>>> discuss with you either privately or otherwise.  To ask how stable a 
>>> beta OS is something that touches on a degree of specifity which is not 
>>> something I for one am willing to go in to.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> 
>>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac,
>>> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>>> 
 On Aug 6, 2015, at 4:39 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Ray, 
 
 I'm not asking for specifics. 
 
 Only gauging the suitability of putting this on my Mac. 
 
 The question was quite broad. 
 
 Don't think it breaks NDA. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone 
 
 -- 
 
 
 
> On 6 Aug 2015, at 7:23 pm, Ray Foret Jr  
> wrote:
> 
> Let me gentally remind you that we cannot discuss beta findings here.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> 
> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
> Sent from my Mac,
> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 2:40 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, 
>> 
>> I would like t

Re: OS X beta.

[Joe Quinn]

really, that I didn't know. That's bad then. :(

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 6, 2015, at 11:47 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Well, it really doesn't matter to me. I really could care less what Apple 
> does. But the fact that they will allow iOS nine to be discussed and not OS 
> X, that actually reinforces my opinion. Just my two cents worth.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 12:24 PM, Joe Quinn  wrote:
>> 
>> as I've said, and I remember responding to this exact question, so, rather 
>> than reply again, I'll just put my original reply below. It still stands. 
>> The only thing I'll say different is that if ya don't like, or have 
>> questions about,e Apple or their policies in reguards to beta software, 
>> contact them about it. :( 
>> it may not make sense, but that's the way it is. NDA, and all that. in spite 
>> of it being public, ya still can't talk about it publically. now if 
>> something's released about IOS 9 from apple, then it can be discussed. I 
>> think that's the same for things that're released elsewhere. for instance 
>> cool blind tech did an overview of what is going to be in iOS 9. maybe they 
>> shouldn't've done that, NDA again, but they did.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, then that really doesn't make sense to me. How can you make something 
>>> available to everybody and then swear everybody to secrecy.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Joe Quinn  wrote:
 
 The only thing that has changed in the betas is that you no longer "need" 
 to have a developer account.  Thus making it a "public" beta. NDA still 
 applies.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Aug 6, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Okay, a question here.  If this is a public beta, then why can’t 
> questions be asked?  If it’s as it was before and it wasn’t public, then 
> I could understand.  But if Apple is now going public with their betas, 
> then I would think this is open for discussion.  Now, if Im confusing the 
> public beta with OS 9, then I apologize for the question.  Thanks.
> 
> Les
>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have to say in this particular case, I agree with Sadam.  It's not 
>> like he's asking for specifics.  He just wanted a general yes, or no.
>>  
>> I guess the only agreement with Ray I would have is, admittedly, this is 
>> kind of a grey area, as what one may think is unstable, someone else may 
>> not really be as concerned about.
>>  
>> Over all though, yes, Sadam, I think it's safe to install, for what it's 
>> worth.
>>  
>> Yeah, there are some issues, but I don't think they're to the point of 
>> being debilitating.
>>  
>> Chris.
>>  
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: Sadam Ahmed
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 9:21 AM
>>> Subject: Re: OS X beta.
>>> 
>>> So, where in my message am I going into specifics? 
>>> 
>>> Yes it’s stable at this time. Or no hold off there are a couple of 
>>> issues. That would suffice. 
>>> 
>>> With Best regards, 
>>> 
>>> Sadam Ahmed 
>>> 
>>> Diploma of International Business candidate 
>>> 
>>> RMIT University 
>>> 
>>> Blog: 
>>> 
>>> Http://www.SadamAhmed.com 
>>> 
>>> Sent using OS X Mail 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 6 Aug 2015, at 9:30 pm, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
 
 With respect, I disagree.  You did ask for something to specific to 
 discuss with you either privately or otherwise.  To ask how stable a 
 beta OS is something that touches on a degree of specifity which is 
 not something I for one am willing to go in to.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 
 Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
 
 Sent from my Mac,
 the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
 
> On Aug 6, 2015, at 4:39 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Ray, 
> 
> I'm not asking for specifics. 
> 
> Only gauging the suitability of putting this on my Mac. 
> 
> The question was quite broad. 
> 
> Don't think it breaks NDA. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 6 Aug 2015, at 7:23 pm, Ray Foret Jr  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Let me gentally remind you that we cannot discuss beta findings here.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> 
>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV

Re: OS X beta.

[Daniel Miller]

What are you talking about? They don’t allow anything that hasn’t been publicly 
divulged to be discussed. *sighs* here we go, again.
> On Aug 6, 2015, at 12:03 PM, Joe Quinn  wrote:
> 
> really, that I didn't know. That's bad then. :(
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 6, 2015, at 11:47 AM, Les Kriegler  > wrote:
> 
>> Well, it really doesn't matter to me. I really could care less what Apple 
>> does. But the fact that they will allow iOS nine to be discussed and not OS 
>> X, that actually reinforces my opinion. Just my two cents worth.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 12:24 PM, Joe Quinn > > wrote:
>> 
>>> as I've said, and I remember responding to this exact question, so, rather 
>>> than reply again, I'll just put my original reply below. It still stands. 
>>> The only thing I'll say different is that if ya don't like, or have 
>>> questions about,e Apple or their policies in reguards to beta software, 
>>> contact them about it. :( 
>>> it may not make sense, but that's the way it is. NDA, and all that. in 
>>> spite of it being public, ya still can't talk about it publically. now if 
>>> something's released about IOS 9 from apple, then it can be discussed. I 
>>> think that's the same for things that're released elsewhere. for instance 
>>> cool blind tech did an overview of what is going to be in iOS 9. maybe they 
>>> shouldn't've done that, NDA again, but they did.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Les Kriegler >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Well, then that really doesn't make sense to me. How can you make 
 something available to everybody and then swear everybody to secrecy.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Joe Quinn >>> > wrote:
 
> The only thing that has changed in the betas is that you no longer "need" 
> to have a developer account.  Thus making it a "public" beta. NDA still 
> applies.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 6, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Les Kriegler  > wrote:
> 
>> Okay, a question here.  If this is a public beta, then why can’t 
>> questions be asked?  If it’s as it was before and it wasn’t public, then 
>> I could understand.  But if Apple is now going public with their betas, 
>> then I would think this is open for discussion.  Now, if Im confusing 
>> the public beta with OS 9, then I apologize for the question.  Thanks.
>> 
>> Les
>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have to say in this particular case, I agree with Sadam.  It's not 
>>> like he's asking for specifics.  He just wanted a general yes, or no.
>>>  
>>> I guess the only agreement with Ray I would have is, admittedly, this 
>>> is kind of a grey area, as what one may think is unstable, someone else 
>>> may not really be as concerned about.
>>>  
>>> Over all though, yes, Sadam, I think it's safe to install, for what 
>>> it's worth.
>>>  
>>> Yeah, there are some issues, but I don't think they're to the point of 
>>> being debilitating.
>>>  
>>> Chris.
>>>  
 - Original Message - 
 From: Sadam Ahmed 
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 9:21 AM
 Subject: Re: OS X beta.
 
 So, where in my message am I going into specifics? 
 
 Yes it’s stable at this time. Or no hold off there are a couple of 
 issues. That would suffice. 
 
 With Best regards, 
 
 Sadam Ahmed 
 
 Diploma of International Business candidate 
 
 RMIT University 
 
 Blog: 
 
 Http://www.SadamAhmed.com  
 
 Sent using OS X Mail 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
> On 6 Aug 2015, at 9:30 pm, Ray Foret Jr  > wrote:
> 
> With respect, I disagree.  You did ask for something to specific to 
> discuss with you either privately or otherwise.  To ask how stable a 
> beta OS is something that touches on a degree of specifity which is 
> not something I for one am willing to go in to.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> 
> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
> Sent from my Mac,
> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 4:39 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com 
>>  wrote:
>

Keyboard on new 12" MacBook

[Garry Turkington]

Hi,

Has anyone spent  time with the new 12" MacBook? If so how are you
finding the keyboard?

Playing with one in the Apple Store I found it really difficult to use
-- the keys are a good size but there is very little space between
them and I was finding it actually a little hard to always  detect the
key edges when typing and in particularly when sliding across the
keyboard. I think the keys are also quite flat so even the transition
between bottom row of keys/space bar/top of trackpad tripped me up a
few times.

I am quite tall so standing at the  table in the store was a really
odd typing angle so maybe that was it but curious if anyone else who
relies on touch typing -- more than sighted users has had similar or
different experiences?

It's a  shame because I love the form factor of that thing. :)

Garry

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Re: Keyboard on new 12" MacBook

[Matthew Dierckens]

Hi Gary,
I've seen the new 12 inch macbook, I've typed on it for a long period of time, 
and I didn't like the experience too much. I too had trouble locating th
God bless.e keys, and found that I still had to stop and count keys as they 
were too close together.

Matthew Dierckens
Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
Macintosh, Windows and IOS  Trainer
U.S. number: 573-401-1018
Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com

On Aug 6, 2015, at 13:57, Garry Turkington  wrote:

Hi,

Has anyone spent  time with the new 12" MacBook? If so how are you
finding the keyboard?

Playing with one in the Apple Store I found it really difficult to use
-- the keys are a good size but there is very little space between
them and I was finding it actually a little hard to always  detect the
key edges when typing and in particularly when sliding across the
keyboard. I think the keys are also quite flat so even the transition
between bottom row of keys/space bar/top of trackpad tripped me up a
few times.

I am quite tall so standing at the  table in the store was a really
odd typing angle so maybe that was it but curious if anyone else who
relies on touch typing -- more than sighted users has had similar or
different experiences?

It's a  shame because I love the form factor of that thing. :)

Garry

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Re: Keyboard on new 12" MacBook

[Alex Hall]

That was my initial impression as well; the keys are nice and big, but you 
can't feel the edges. Perhaps with some reference dots it'd be doable, but I'm 
not sure. My first thought was something like, "I could love this keyboard if 
only I could feel the keys better." I'm sure it looks visually wonderful, and 
the new key design lets users press anywhere on the key so that it made less 
sense to markedly separate them. It just kills touch typing, at least in my 
quick tests. I can't give a fair statement, of course, without having used it 
for a week or two, and unless someone wants to donate $1200 to me, that won't 
happen anytime soon. 
> On Aug 6, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Matthew Dierckens  wrote:
> 
> Hi Gary,
> I've seen the new 12 inch macbook, I've typed on it for a long period of 
> time, and I didn't like the experience too much. I too had trouble locating th
> God bless.e keys, and found that I still had to stop and count keys as they 
> were too close together.
> 
> Matthew Dierckens
> Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
> Macintosh, Windows and IOS  Trainer
> U.S. number: 573-401-1018
> Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com
> 
> On Aug 6, 2015, at 13:57, Garry Turkington  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Has anyone spent  time with the new 12" MacBook? If so how are you
> finding the keyboard?
> 
> Playing with one in the Apple Store I found it really difficult to use
> -- the keys are a good size but there is very little space between
> them and I was finding it actually a little hard to always  detect the
> key edges when typing and in particularly when sliding across the
> keyboard. I think the keys are also quite flat so even the transition
> between bottom row of keys/space bar/top of trackpad tripped me up a
> few times.
> 
> I am quite tall so standing at the  table in the store was a really
> odd typing angle so maybe that was it but curious if anyone else who
> relies on touch typing -- more than sighted users has had similar or
> different experiences?
> 
> It's a  shame because I love the form factor of that thing. :)
> 
> Garry
> 
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Deleting email messages twice?

[Matthew Dierckens]

Hi guys,
Ever since my computer's logic board was replaced last week, I notice that a 
bunch of settings have been screwed with for some reason.
When I delete messages on my iPhone or iPad and then go over to the mac side, 
the messages appear again so I have to delete them. Isn't there a setting I can 
change for this not to happen?
Thanks.
God bless.
Matthew Dierckens
Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
Macintosh, Windows and IOS  Trainer
U.S. number: 573-401-1018
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Re: OS X beta.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Diddo.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Joe Quinn 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 12:24 PM
  Subject: Re: OS X beta.


  as I've said, and I remember responding to this exact question, so, rather 
than reply again, I'll just put my original reply below. It still stands. The 
only thing I'll say different is that if ya don't like, or have questions 
about,e Apple or their policies in reguards to beta software, contact them 
about it. :( 
  it may not make sense, but that's the way it is. NDA, and all that. in spite 
of it being public, ya still can't talk about it publically. now if something's 
released about IOS 9 from apple, then it can be discussed. I think that's the 
same for things that're released elsewhere. for instance cool blind tech did an 
overview of what is going to be in iOS 9. maybe they shouldn't've done that, 
NDA again, but they did.



  On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:


Well, then that really doesn't make sense to me. How can you make something 
available to everybody and then swear everybody to secrecy.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Joe Quinn  wrote:


  The only thing that has changed in the betas is that you no longer "need" 
to have a developer account.  Thus making it a "public" beta. NDA still applies.

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Aug 6, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:


Okay, a question here.  If this is a public beta, then why can’t 
questions be asked?  If it’s as it was before and it wasn’t public, then I 
could understand.  But if Apple is now going public with their betas, then I 
would think this is open for discussion.  Now, if Im confusing the public beta 
with OS 9, then I apologize for the question.  Thanks.


Les

  On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


  I have to say in this particular case, I agree with Sadam.  It's not 
like he's asking for specifics.  He just wanted a general yes, or no.

  I guess the only agreement with Ray I would have is, admittedly, this 
is kind of a grey area, as what one may think is unstable, someone else may not 
really be as concerned about.

  Over all though, yes, Sadam, I think it's safe to install, for what 
it's worth.

  Yeah, there are some issues, but I don't think they're to the point 
of being debilitating.

  Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Sadam Ahmed
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: OS X beta.


So, where in my message am I going into specifics? 


Yes it’s stable at this time. Or no hold off there are a couple of 
issues. That would suffice. 


With Best regards, 


Sadam Ahmed 


Diploma of International Business candidate 


RMIT University 


Blog: 


Http://www.SadamAhmed.com 


Sent using OS X Mail 













  On 6 Aug 2015, at 9:30 pm, Ray Foret Jr  
wrote:


  With respect, I disagree.  You did ask for something to specific 
to discuss with you either privately or otherwise.  To ask how stable a beta OS 
is something that touches on a degree of specifity which is not something I for 
one am willing to go in to.




  Sincerely,
  The Constantly Barefooted Ray


  Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

  Sent from my Mac,
  the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in


On Aug 6, 2015, at 4:39 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:


Ray, 


I'm not asking for specifics. 


Only gauging the suitability of putting this on my Mac. 


The question was quite broad. 


Don't think it breaks NDA. 

Sent from my iPhone 


-- 





On 6 Aug 2015, at 7:23 pm, Ray Foret Jr 
 wrote:


  Let me gentally remind you that we cannot discuss beta 
findings here.




  Sincerely,
  The Constantly Barefooted Ray


  Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV 
user!

  Sent from my Mac,
  the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in


On Aug 6, 2015, at 2:40 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi all, 

I would like to install the current beta and am wondering 
how stable the current release is? 

If you would like to make contact off the list regarding 
this feel free to reach out. 

Thanks in advance, 

Sadam Ahmed 

Sent from my iPhone 

   

Re: OS X beta.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I've not seen anything stating one could be discussed but not the other.

I'm not sure where you're getting that impression.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Joe Quinn 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 1:03 PM
  Subject: Re: OS X beta.


  really, that I didn't know. That's bad then. :(

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Aug 6, 2015, at 11:47 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:


Well, it really doesn't matter to me. I really could care less what Apple 
does. But the fact that they will allow iOS nine to be discussed and not OS X, 
that actually reinforces my opinion. Just my two cents worth.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 6, 2015, at 12:24 PM, Joe Quinn  wrote:


  as I've said, and I remember responding to this exact question, so, 
rather than reply again, I'll just put my original reply below. It still 
stands. The only thing I'll say different is that if ya don't like, or have 
questions about,e Apple or their policies in reguards to beta software, contact 
them about it. :( 
  it may not make sense, but that's the way it is. NDA, and all that. in 
spite of it being public, ya still can't talk about it publically. now if 
something's released about IOS 9 from apple, then it can be discussed. I think 
that's the same for things that're released elsewhere. for instance cool blind 
tech did an overview of what is going to be in iOS 9. maybe they shouldn't've 
done that, NDA again, but they did.



  On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:


Well, then that really doesn't make sense to me. How can you make 
something available to everybody and then swear everybody to secrecy.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Joe Quinn  wrote:


  The only thing that has changed in the betas is that you no longer 
"need" to have a developer account.  Thus making it a "public" beta. NDA still 
applies.

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Aug 6, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:


Okay, a question here.  If this is a public beta, then why can’t 
questions be asked?  If it’s as it was before and it wasn’t public, then I 
could understand.  But if Apple is now going public with their betas, then I 
would think this is open for discussion.  Now, if Im confusing the public beta 
with OS 9, then I apologize for the question.  Thanks.


Les

  On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


  I have to say in this particular case, I agree with Sadam.  It's 
not like he's asking for specifics.  He just wanted a general yes, or no.

  I guess the only agreement with Ray I would have is, admittedly, 
this is kind of a grey area, as what one may think is unstable, someone else 
may not really be as concerned about.

  Over all though, yes, Sadam, I think it's safe to install, for 
what it's worth.

  Yeah, there are some issues, but I don't think they're to the 
point of being debilitating.

  Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Sadam Ahmed
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: OS X beta.


So, where in my message am I going into specifics? 


Yes it’s stable at this time. Or no hold off there are a couple 
of issues. That would suffice. 


With Best regards, 


Sadam Ahmed 


Diploma of International Business candidate 


RMIT University 


Blog: 


Http://www.SadamAhmed.com 


Sent using OS X Mail 













  On 6 Aug 2015, at 9:30 pm, Ray Foret Jr 
 wrote:


  With respect, I disagree.  You did ask for something to 
specific to discuss with you either privately or otherwise.  To ask how stable 
a beta OS is something that touches on a degree of specifity which is not 
something I for one am willing to go in to.




  Sincerely,
  The Constantly Barefooted Ray


  Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV 
user!

  Sent from my Mac,
  the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in


On Aug 6, 2015, at 4:39 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:


Ray, 


I'm not asking for specifics. 


Only gauging the suitability of putting this on my Mac. 


The question was quite broad. 


Don't think it breaks NDA. 

Sent from my iPhone 


-- 





On 6 Aug 2015, at 7:23 pm, Ray Foret Jr 
 wrote:


  Let me gentally remind you that we cannot discuss beta 
findings here.

Re: OS X beta.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yeah...

I kind a wondered that same thing.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Daniel Miller 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 1:14 PM
  Subject: Re: OS X beta.


  What are you talking about? They don’t allow anything that hasn’t been 
publicly divulged to be discussed. *sighs* here we go, again.

On Aug 6, 2015, at 12:03 PM, Joe Quinn  wrote:


really, that I didn't know. That's bad then. :(

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 6, 2015, at 11:47 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:


  Well, it really doesn't matter to me. I really could care less what Apple 
does. But the fact that they will allow iOS nine to be discussed and not OS X, 
that actually reinforces my opinion. Just my two cents worth.

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Aug 6, 2015, at 12:24 PM, Joe Quinn  wrote:


as I've said, and I remember responding to this exact question, so, 
rather than reply again, I'll just put my original reply below. It still 
stands. The only thing I'll say different is that if ya don't like, or have 
questions about,e Apple or their policies in reguards to beta software, contact 
them about it. :( 
it may not make sense, but that's the way it is. NDA, and all that. in 
spite of it being public, ya still can't talk about it publically. now if 
something's released about IOS 9 from apple, then it can be discussed. I think 
that's the same for things that're released elsewhere. for instance cool blind 
tech did an overview of what is going to be in iOS 9. maybe they shouldn't've 
done that, NDA again, but they did.



On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:


  Well, then that really doesn't make sense to me. How can you make 
something available to everybody and then swear everybody to secrecy.

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Joe Quinn  wrote:


The only thing that has changed in the betas is that you no longer 
"need" to have a developer account.  Thus making it a "public" beta. NDA still 
applies.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 6, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Les Kriegler  
wrote:


  Okay, a question here.  If this is a public beta, then why can’t 
questions be asked?  If it’s as it was before and it wasn’t public, then I 
could understand.  But if Apple is now going public with their betas, then I 
would think this is open for discussion.  Now, if Im confusing the public beta 
with OS 9, then I apologize for the question.  Thanks.


  Les

On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


I have to say in this particular case, I agree with Sadam.  
It's not like he's asking for specifics.  He just wanted a general yes, or no.

I guess the only agreement with Ray I would have is, 
admittedly, this is kind of a grey area, as what one may think is unstable, 
someone else may not really be as concerned about.

Over all though, yes, Sadam, I think it's safe to install, for 
what it's worth.

Yeah, there are some issues, but I don't think they're to the 
point of being debilitating.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Sadam Ahmed
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 9:21 AM
  Subject: Re: OS X beta.


  So, where in my message am I going into specifics? 


  Yes it’s stable at this time. Or no hold off there are a 
couple of issues. That would suffice. 


  With Best regards, 


  Sadam Ahmed 


  Diploma of International Business candidate 


  RMIT University 


  Blog: 


  Http://www.SadamAhmed.com 


  Sent using OS X Mail 













On 6 Aug 2015, at 9:30 pm, Ray Foret Jr 
 wrote:


With respect, I disagree.  You did ask for something to 
specific to discuss with you either privately or otherwise.  To ask how stable 
a beta OS is something that touches on a degree of specifity which is not 
something I for one am willing to go in to.




Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray


Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV 
user!

Sent from my Mac,
the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in


  On Aug 6, 2015, at 4:39 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:


  Ray, 


  I'm not asking for specifics. 


  Only gauging the suitability of putting this on my Mac. 


  The question was quite broad. 


  Don't think it breaks NDA. 

  Sent from my

Re: OS X beta.

[Sunshine]

I agree with the person that  stated a public beta is a public beta, so 
that a person should be able to discuss the public beta of osx and the 
like why make it a public beta if they want nda as well, public beta 
means that public beta you should be able to discuss it with out havint 
to worry about things so public beta means no nda.


On 8/6/2015 1:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Diddo.
Chris.

- Original Message -
*From:* Joe Quinn 
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

*Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 12:24 PM
*Subject:* Re: OS X beta.

as I've said, and I remember responding to this exact question,
so, rather than reply again, I'll just put my original reply
below. It still stands. The only thing I'll say different is that
if ya don't like, or have questions about,e Apple or their
policies in reguards to beta software, contact them about it. :(
it may not make sense, but that's the way it is. NDA, and all
that. in spite of it being public, ya still can't talk about it
publically. now if something's released about IOS 9 from apple,
then it can be discussed. I think that's the same for things
that're released elsewhere. for instance cool blind tech did an
overview of what is going to be in iOS 9. maybe they shouldn't've
done that, NDA again, but they did.


On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Well, then that really doesn't make sense to me. How can you make
something available to everybody and then swear everybody to secrecy.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Joe Quinn mailto:jdawg1...@gmail.com>> wrote:


The only thing that has changed in the betas is that you no
longer "need" to have a developer account.  Thus making it a
"public" beta. NDA still applies.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 6, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Okay, a question here.  If this is a public beta, then why
can’t questions be asked?  If it’s as it was before and it
wasn’t public, then I could understand.  But if Apple is now
going public with their betas, then I would think this is open
for discussion.  Now, if Im confusing the public beta with OS
9, then I apologize for the question.  Thanks.

Les

On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I have to say in this particular case, I agree with Sadam. 
It's not like he's asking for specifics.  He just wanted a

general yes, or no.
I guess the only agreement with Ray I would have is,
admittedly, this is kind of a grey area, as what one may think
is unstable, someone else may not really be as concerned about.
Over all though, yes, Sadam, I think it's safe to install, for
what it's worth.
Yeah, there are some issues, but I don't think they're to the
point of being debilitating.
Chris.

- Original Message -
*From:*Sadam Ahmed 
*To:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

*Sent:*Thursday, August 06, 2015 9:21 AM
*Subject:*Re: OS X beta.

So, where in my message am I going into specifics?

Yes it’s stable at this time. Or no hold off there are a
couple of issues. That would suffice.

With Best regards,

Sadam Ahmed

Diploma of International Business candidate

RMIT University

Blog:

Http://www.SadamAhmed.com 

Sent using OS X Mail








On 6 Aug 2015, at 9:30 pm, Ray Foret Jr
mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:

With respect, I disagree.  You did ask for something to
specific to discuss with you either privately or otherwise.
 To ask how stable a beta OS is something that touches on a
degree of specifity which is not something I for one am
willing to go in to.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in


On Aug 6, 2015, at 4:39 AM,sadam.li...@gmail.com
wrote:

Ray,

I'm not asking for specifics.

Only gauging the suitability of putting this on my Mac.

The question was quite broad.

Don't think it breaks NDA.

Sent from my iPhone

-- 




On 6 Aug 2015, at 7:23 pm, Ray Foret Jr
mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:


Let me gentally remind you that we cannot discuss beta
findings here.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV
user!

Sent from my Mac,
the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
built-in


On Aug 6, 2015, at 

RE: OS X beta.

[george b]

Chris are you some kind of loney person

They ask on this list not to answer with one liners, but I gess you think one 
words are ok to fill up peoples in boxes

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 11:58
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: OS X beta.

 

Yeah...

 

I kind a wondered that same thing.

 

Chris.

 

- Original Message - 

From: Daniel Miller   

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 1:14 PM

Subject: Re: OS X beta.

 

What are you talking about? They don’t allow anything that hasn’t been publicly 
divulged to be discussed. *sighs* here we go, again.

On Aug 6, 2015, at 12:03 PM, Joe Quinn mailto:jdawg1...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

really, that I didn't know. That's bad then. :(

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 6, 2015, at 11:47 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Well, it really doesn't matter to me. I really could care less what Apple does. 
But the fact that they will allow iOS nine to be discussed and not OS X, that 
actually reinforces my opinion. Just my two cents worth.

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 6, 2015, at 12:24 PM, Joe Quinn mailto:jdawg1...@gmail.com> > wrote:

as I've said, and I remember responding to this exact question, so, rather than 
reply again, I'll just put my original reply below. It still stands. The only 
thing I'll say different is that if ya don't like, or have questions about,e 
Apple or their policies in reguards to beta software, contact them about it. :( 

it may not make sense, but that's the way it is. NDA, and all that. in spite of 
it being public, ya still can't talk about it publically. now if something's 
released about IOS 9 from apple, then it can be discussed. I think that's the 
same for things that're released elsewhere. for instance cool blind tech did an 
overview of what is going to be in iOS 9. maybe they shouldn't've done that, 
NDA again, but they did.

 


On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Well, then that really doesn't make sense to me. How can you make something 
available to everybody and then swear everybody to secrecy.

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Joe Quinn mailto:jdawg1...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The only thing that has changed in the betas is that you no longer "need" to 
have a developer account.  Thus making it a "public" beta. NDA still applies.

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 6, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Okay, a question here.  If this is a public beta, then why can’t questions be 
asked?  If it’s as it was before and it wasn’t public, then I could understand. 
 But if Apple is now going public with their betas, then I would think this is 
open for discussion.  Now, if Im confusing the public beta with OS 9, then I 
apologize for the question.  Thanks. 

 

Les

On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I have to say in this particular case, I agree with Sadam.  It's not like he's 
asking for specifics.  He just wanted a general yes, or no.

 

I guess the only agreement with Ray I would have is, admittedly, this is kind 
of a grey area, as what one may think is unstable, someone else may not really 
be as concerned about.

 

Over all though, yes, Sadam, I think it's safe to install, for what it's worth.

 

Yeah, there are some issues, but I don't think they're to the point of being 
debilitating.

 

Chris.

 

- Original Message - 

From: Sadam Ahmed  

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  

Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 9:21 AM

Subject: Re: OS X beta.

 

So, where in my message am I going into specifics?  

 

Yes it’s stable at this time. Or no hold off there are a couple of issues. That 
would suffice. 

 

With Best regards, 

 

Sadam Ahmed 

 

Diploma of International Business candidate 

 

RMIT University 

 

Blog: 

 

Http://www.SadamAhmed.com   

 

Sent using OS X Mail 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 6 Aug 2015, at 9:30 pm, Ray Foret Jr mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net> > wrote:

 

With respect, I disagree.  You did ask for something to specific to discuss 
with you either privately or otherwise.  To ask how stable a beta OS is 
something that touches on a degree of specifity which is not something I for 
one am willing to go in to. 

 

 

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,

the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in

 

On Aug 6, 2015, at 4:39 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

 

Ray, 

 

I'm not asking for specifics. 

 

Only gauging the suitability

Re: Menu extras keystroke

[Chris]

Ok, so you press and hold the VO keys down, then press m twice, keeping 
the VO keys held down.


On 06/08/2015 14:07, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

I just want to clarify something Chris said here which has confused a
lot of my students.  When we say Vo+M M, we don't mean hold the
voiceover keys down:  ctrl+option, while hitting the letter M, release
all 3 keys, then hit the letter m all by itself.  That won't do it.

This is why I never say vo+M M.  That's very confusing.

I always say vo+M, so hold down your voiceover keys, ctrl+option.  While
they are both down, hit the letter M.  Now, keep your voiceover keys
held down, and hit the letter M again, a second time.

This should focus you on menu extras, and now you can vo+left and right
arrow horizontally across the extras bar.  When you find the icon you
need, simply press vo+space on it, and then you should be able to
navigate the menu.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Chris" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 4:13 AM
Subject: Re: Menu extras keystroke



VO-m-m or control-f8.

On 06/08/2015 06:33, Pamela Francis wrote:

Folks, forgive my ignorance. I am drawing a blank on the keystroke to
get me into menu extras.
Thanks much

Pam Francis



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Re: Fwd: I Tunes Match.

[Chris]

You would probably have to subscribe to Match as well then. I don't know 
because I already have a subscription.


On 06/08/2015 14:04, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Chris,

I do have Apple Music, obviously, but not Match.  So, do you know how
that would then work?

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Chris" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 4:11 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd: I Tunes Match.


Hi yes it does, with an Apple Music subscription you can access your
matched content from the "My Music" section.

On 06/08/2015 07:44, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:





Begin forwarded message:


From: Kawal Gucukoglu 
Date: 6 August 2015 7:42:11 am BST
To: "macvisionaries@googlegroups.com" 
Subject: Re: I Tunes Match.

So if you import a CD to  your library, and you have the match
subscription, does the music go to the cloud?




On 6 Aug 2015, at 12:15 am, Daniel Miller  wrote:

Hi,

iTunes Match is now iCloud Music Library. All references to iTunes
Match have been removed. The only way a reference to that will show
up is if you sign out of your account, and then it’ll show up in the
Account menu.


On Aug 5, 2015, at 5:43 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu 
wrote:

Please could someone tell me where iTunes Match is as I can't find
it in the latest iTunes and have looked through all the menus.

Thanks.

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Re: OS X beta.

[Littlefield, Tyler]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Look,
If you agree to a NDA in any form before getting a beta, whether or
not you understand it or agree with it, you are legally bound by the
NDA. So we can discuss what should happen until we're blue in the
face, but what should and what is are two totally different things. So
if the NDA says no discussion, guess what that means? No discussion!

On 8/6/2015 3:09 PM, Sunshine wrote:
> I agree with the person that  stated a public beta is a public
> beta, so that a person should be able to discuss the public beta of
> osx and the like why make it a public beta if they want nda as
> well, public beta means that public beta you should be able to
> discuss it with out havint to worry about things so public beta
> means no nda.
> 
> On 8/6/2015 1:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> Diddo.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - *From:* Joe Quinn
>>  *To:* 
>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>> 
*Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 12:24 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: OS X beta.
>> 
>> as I've said, and I remember responding to this exact question, 
>> so, rather than reply again, I'll just put my original reply 
>> below. It still stands. The only thing I'll say different is
>> that if ya don't like, or have questions about,e Apple or their 
>> policies in reguards to beta software, contact them about it. :(
>>  it may not make sense, but that's the way it is. NDA, and all 
>> that. in spite of it being public, ya still can't talk about it 
>> publically. now if something's released about IOS 9 from apple, 
>> then it can be discussed. I think that's the same for things 
>> that're released elsewhere. for instance cool blind tech did an 
>> overview of what is going to be in iOS 9. maybe they
>> shouldn't've done that, NDA again, but they did.
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Les Kriegler 
>> <kriegle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, then that really doesn't make sense to me. How can you
>>> make something available to everybody and then swear everybody
>>> to secrecy.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Joe Quinn 
>>> <jdawg1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
 The only thing that has changed in the betas is that you no 
 longer "need" to have a developer account.  Thus making it a 
 "public" beta. NDA still applies.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 6, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Les Kriegler 
 <kriegle...@gmail.com> wrote:
 
> Okay, a question here.  If this is a public beta, then why 
> can’t questions be asked?  If it’s as it was before and it 
> wasn’t public, then I could understand.  But if Apple is
> now going public with their betas, then I would think this
> is open for discussion.  Now, if Im confusing the public
> beta with OS 9, then I apologize for the question.
> Thanks.
> 
> Les
>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>> <clgillan...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have to say in this particular case, I agree with
>> Sadam. It's not like he's asking for specifics.  He just
>> wanted a general yes, or no.
>> 
>> I guess the only agreement with Ray I would have is, 
>> admittedly, this is kind of a grey area, as what one may
>> think is unstable, someone else may not really be as
>> concerned about.
>> 
>> Over all though, yes, Sadam, I think it's safe to
>> install, for what it's worth.
>> 
>> Yeah, there are some issues, but I don't think they're to
>> the point of being debilitating.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>>> - Original Message - *From:* Sadam Ahmed
>>>  *To:*
>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>
>>> 
*Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 9:21 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: OS X beta.
>>> 
>>> So, where in my message am I going into specifics?
>>> 
>>> Yes it’s stable at this time. Or no hold off there are
>>> a couple of issues. That would suffice.
>>> 
>>> With Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Sadam Ahmed
>>> 
>>> Diploma of International Business candidate
>>> 
>>> RMIT University
>>> 
>>> Blog:
>>> 
>>> Http://www.SadamAhmed.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent using OS X Mail
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 6 Aug 2015, at 9:30 pm, Ray Foret Jr 
 <rforet7...@comcast.net>
 wrote:
 
 With respect, I disagree.  You did ask for something
 to specific to discuss with you either privately or
 otherwise. To ask how stable a beta OS is something
 that touches on a degree o

Re: OS X beta.

[Les Kriegler]

I've worked under NDA agreements. Any Indiana ever doubt with I had to sign. 
Are you saying the people participate in the Public Beta sign an agreement. If 
they do, then I understand what you were talking about if they don't, then an 
NDA doesn't apply.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 6, 2015, at 3:20 PM, Littlefield, Tyler  wrote:
> 
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Look,
> If you agree to a NDA in any form before getting a beta, whether or
> not you understand it or agree with it, you are legally bound by the
> NDA. So we can discuss what should happen until we're blue in the
> face, but what should and what is are two totally different things. So
> if the NDA says no discussion, guess what that means? No discussion!
> 
>> On 8/6/2015 3:09 PM, Sunshine wrote:
>> I agree with the person that  stated a public beta is a public
>> beta, so that a person should be able to discuss the public beta of
>> osx and the like why make it a public beta if they want nda as
>> well, public beta means that public beta you should be able to
>> discuss it with out havint to worry about things so public beta
>> means no nda.
>> 
>>> On 8/6/2015 1:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> Diddo.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - *From:* Joe Quinn
>>>  *To:* 
>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 12:24 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: OS X beta.
>>> 
>>> as I've said, and I remember responding to this exact question, 
>>> so, rather than reply again, I'll just put my original reply 
>>> below. It still stands. The only thing I'll say different is
>>> that if ya don't like, or have questions about,e Apple or their 
>>> policies in reguards to beta software, contact them about it. :(
>>> it may not make sense, but that's the way it is. NDA, and all 
>>> that. in spite of it being public, ya still can't talk about it 
>>> publically. now if something's released about IOS 9 from apple, 
>>> then it can be discussed. I think that's the same for things 
>>> that're released elsewhere. for instance cool blind tech did an 
>>> overview of what is going to be in iOS 9. maybe they
>>> shouldn't've done that, NDA again, but they did.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Les Kriegler 
>>> <kriegle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Well, then that really doesn't make sense to me. How can you
 make something available to everybody and then swear everybody
 to secrecy.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Joe Quinn 
 <jdawg1...@gmail.com> wrote:
 
> The only thing that has changed in the betas is that you no 
> longer "need" to have a developer account.  Thus making it a 
> "public" beta. NDA still applies.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 6, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Les Kriegler 
> <kriegle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Okay, a question here.  If this is a public beta, then why 
>> can’t questions be asked?  If it’s as it was before and it 
>> wasn’t public, then I could understand.  But if Apple is
>> now going public with their betas, then I would think this
>> is open for discussion.  Now, if Im confusing the public
>> beta with OS 9, then I apologize for the question.
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Les
>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have to say in this particular case, I agree with
>>> Sadam. It's not like he's asking for specifics.  He just
>>> wanted a general yes, or no.
>>> 
>>> I guess the only agreement with Ray I would have is, 
>>> admittedly, this is kind of a grey area, as what one may
>>> think is unstable, someone else may not really be as
>>> concerned about.
>>> 
>>> Over all though, yes, Sadam, I think it's safe to
>>> install, for what it's worth.
>>> 
>>> Yeah, there are some issues, but I don't think they're to
>>> the point of being debilitating.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
 - Original Message - *From:* Sadam Ahmed
  *To:*
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 9:21 AM
 *Subject:* Re: OS X beta.
 
 So, where in my message am I going into specifics?
 
 Yes it’s stable at this time. Or no hold off there are
 a couple of issues. That would suffice.
 
 With Best regards,
 
 Sadam Ahmed
 
 Diploma of International Business candidate
 
 RMIT University
 
 Blog:
 
 Http://www.SadamAhmed.com 
 
 

Re: OS X beta.

[Shaf]

Who cares about a NDA? Especially if the internet's already talking
about it.


On 8/6/2015 8:20 PM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
> Look, If you agree to a NDA in any form before getting a beta, 
> whether or not you understand it or agree with it, you are legally 
> bound by the NDA. So we can discuss what should happen until we're 
> blue in the face, but what should and what is are two totally 
> different things. So if the NDA says no discussion, guess what
> that means? No discussion!
> 
> On 8/6/2015 3:09 PM, Sunshine wrote:
>> I agree with the person that  stated a public beta is a public 
>> beta, so that a person should be able to discuss the public beta 
>> of osx and the like why make it a public beta if they want nda as
>> well, public beta means that public beta you should be able to
>> discuss it with out havint to worry about things so public beta
>> means no nda.
> 
>> On 8/6/2015 1:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> Diddo.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - *From:* Joe Quinn 
>>>  *To:* 
>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.
com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>>>
>>> 
*Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 12:24 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: OS X beta.
>>> 
>>> as I've said, and I remember responding to this exact
>>> question, so, rather than reply again, I'll just put my
>>> original reply below. It still stands. The only thing I'll say
>>> different is that if ya don't like, or have questions about,e
>>> Apple or their policies in reguards to beta software, contact
>>> them about it. :( it may not make sense, but that's the way it
>>> is. NDA, and all that. in spite of it being public, ya still
>>> can't talk about it publically. now if something's released
>>> about IOS 9 from apple, then it can be discussed. I think
>>> that's the same for things that're released elsewhere. for
>>> instance cool blind tech did an overview of what is going to be
>>> in iOS 9. maybe they shouldn't've done that, NDA again, but
>>> they did.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Les Kriegler 
>>> <kriegle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Well, then that really doesn't make sense to me. How can you
  make something available to everybody and then swear 
 everybody to secrecy.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Joe Quinn 
 <jdawg1...@gmail.com> wrote:
 
> The only thing that has changed in the betas is that you
> no longer "need" to have a developer account.  Thus making
> it a "public" beta. NDA still applies.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 6, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Les Kriegler 
> <kriegle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Okay, a question here.  If this is a public beta, then 
>> why can’t questions be asked?  If it’s as it was before 
>> and it wasn’t public, then I could understand.  But if 
>> Apple is now going public with their betas, then I would 
>> think this is open for discussion.  Now, if Im confusing 
>> the public beta with OS 9, then I apologize for the 
>> question. Thanks.
>> 
>> Les
>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have to say in this particular case, I agree with 
>>> Sadam. It's not like he's asking for specifics.  He 
>>> just wanted a general yes, or no.
>>> 
>>> I guess the only agreement with Ray I would have is, 
>>> admittedly, this is kind of a grey area, as what one 
>>> may think is unstable, someone else may not really be 
>>> as concerned about.
>>> 
>>> Over all though, yes, Sadam, I think it's safe to 
>>> install, for what it's worth.
>>> 
>>> Yeah, there are some issues, but I don't think they're 
>>> to the point of being debilitating.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
 - Original Message - *From:* Sadam Ahmed 
  *To:* 
 macvisionaries@googlegr
oups.com


>

 
*Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 9:21 AM
 *Subject:* Re: OS X beta.
 
 So, where in my message am I going into specifics?
 
 Yes it’s stable at this time. Or no hold off there 
 are a couple of issues. That would suffice.
 
 With Best regards,
 
 Sadam Ahmed
 
 Diploma of International Business candidate
 
 RMIT University
 
 Blog:
 
 Http://www.SadamAhmed.com 
 
 
 
 Sent using OS X Mail
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
> On 6 Aug 2015, at 9:30 pm, Ray Foret Jr 
> <

RE: OS X beta.

[george b]

Can't we stop this conversation please my deleate finger is getting sore for 
non sense
Please

thanks

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Shaf
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 12:40
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: OS X beta.

Who cares about a NDA? Especially if the internet's already talking
about it.


On 8/6/2015 8:20 PM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
> Look, If you agree to a NDA in any form before getting a beta, 
> whether or not you understand it or agree with it, you are legally 
> bound by the NDA. So we can discuss what should happen until we're 
> blue in the face, but what should and what is are two totally 
> different things. So if the NDA says no discussion, guess what
> that means? No discussion!
> 
> On 8/6/2015 3:09 PM, Sunshine wrote:
>> I agree with the person that  stated a public beta is a public 
>> beta, so that a person should be able to discuss the public beta 
>> of osx and the like why make it a public beta if they want nda as
>> well, public beta means that public beta you should be able to
>> discuss it with out havint to worry about things so public beta
>> means no nda.
> 
>> On 8/6/2015 1:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> Diddo.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - *From:* Joe Quinn 
>>>  *To:* 
>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.
com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>>>
>>> 
*Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 12:24 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: OS X beta.
>>> 
>>> as I've said, and I remember responding to this exact
>>> question, so, rather than reply again, I'll just put my
>>> original reply below. It still stands. The only thing I'll say
>>> different is that if ya don't like, or have questions about,e
>>> Apple or their policies in reguards to beta software, contact
>>> them about it. :( it may not make sense, but that's the way it
>>> is. NDA, and all that. in spite of it being public, ya still
>>> can't talk about it publically. now if something's released
>>> about IOS 9 from apple, then it can be discussed. I think
>>> that's the same for things that're released elsewhere. for
>>> instance cool blind tech did an overview of what is going to be
>>> in iOS 9. maybe they shouldn't've done that, NDA again, but
>>> they did.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Les Kriegler 
>>> <kriegle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Well, then that really doesn't make sense to me. How can you
  make something available to everybody and then swear 
 everybody to secrecy.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Joe Quinn 
 <jdawg1...@gmail.com> wrote:
 
> The only thing that has changed in the betas is that you
> no longer "need" to have a developer account.  Thus making
> it a "public" beta. NDA still applies.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 6, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Les Kriegler 
> <kriegle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Okay, a question here.  If this is a public beta, then 
>> why can’t questions be asked?  If it’s as it was before 
>> and it wasn’t public, then I could understand.  But if 
>> Apple is now going public with their betas, then I would 
>> think this is open for discussion.  Now, if Im confusing 
>> the public beta with OS 9, then I apologize for the 
>> question. Thanks.
>> 
>> Les
>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have to say in this particular case, I agree with 
>>> Sadam. It's not like he's asking for specifics.  He 
>>> just wanted a general yes, or no.
>>> 
>>> I guess the only agreement with Ray I would have is, 
>>> admittedly, this is kind of a grey area, as what one 
>>> may think is unstable, someone else may not really be 
>>> as concerned about.
>>> 
>>> Over all though, yes, Sadam, I think it's safe to 
>>> install, for what it's worth.
>>> 
>>> Yeah, there are some issues, but I don't think they're 
>>> to the point of being debilitating.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
 - Original Message - *From:* Sadam Ahmed 
  *To:* 
 macvisionaries@googlegr
oups.com


>

 
*Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 9:21 AM
 *Subject:* Re: OS X beta.
 
 So, where in my message am I going into specifics?
 
 Yes it’s stable at this time. Or no hold off there 
 are a couple of issues. That would suffice.
 
 With Best regards,
 
 Sadam Ahmed
 
 Diploma of International Business candidate
 
 RMIT 

Re: OS X beta.

[sadam . lists]

Exactly. 

If I was asking about features like VO etc I might be possibly breaking this so 
called NDA. 

Sent from my iPhone 

-- 



> On 6 Aug 2015, at 11:49 pm, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> I have to say in this particular case, I agree with Sadam.  It's not like 
> he's asking for specifics.  He just wanted a general yes, or no.
>  
> I guess the only agreement with Ray I would have is, admittedly, this is kind 
> of a grey area, as what one may think is unstable, someone else may not 
> really be as concerned about.
>  
> Over all though, yes, Sadam, I think it's safe to install, for what it's 
> worth.
>  
> Yeah, there are some issues, but I don't think they're to the point of being 
> debilitating.
>  
> Chris.
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Sadam Ahmed
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 9:21 AM
> Subject: Re: OS X beta.
> 
> So, where in my message am I going into specifics? 
> 
> Yes it’s stable at this time. Or no hold off there are a couple of issues. 
> That would suffice. 
> 
> With Best regards, 
> 
> Sadam Ahmed 
> 
> Diploma of International Business candidate 
> 
> RMIT University 
> 
> Blog: 
> 
> Http://www.SadamAhmed.com 
> 
> Sent using OS X Mail 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 6 Aug 2015, at 9:30 pm, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>> With respect, I disagree.  You did ask for something to specific to discuss 
>> with you either privately or otherwise.  To ask how stable a beta OS is 
>> something that touches on a degree of specifity which is not something I for 
>> one am willing to go in to.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> 
>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac,
>> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 4:39 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ray, 
>>> 
>>> I'm not asking for specifics. 
>>> 
>>> Only gauging the suitability of putting this on my Mac. 
>>> 
>>> The question was quite broad. 
>>> 
>>> Don't think it breaks NDA. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 6 Aug 2015, at 7:23 pm, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
 
 Let me gentally remind you that we cannot discuss beta findings here.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 
 Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
 
 Sent from my Mac,
 the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
 
> On Aug 6, 2015, at 2:40 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> I would like to install the current beta and am wondering how stable the 
> current release is? 
> 
> If you would like to make contact off the list regarding this feel free 
> to reach out. 
> 
> Thanks in advance, 
> 
> Sadam Ahmed 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
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Re: Menu extras keystroke

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Wasn't trying to step on your toes, Chris.  I was only clarifying.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Chris" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: Menu extras keystroke


Ok, so you press and hold the VO keys down, then press m twice, keeping 
the VO keys held down.


On 06/08/2015 14:07, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

I just want to clarify something Chris said here which has confused a
lot of my students.  When we say Vo+M M, we don't mean hold the
voiceover keys down:  ctrl+option, while hitting the letter M, release
all 3 keys, then hit the letter m all by itself.  That won't do it.

This is why I never say vo+M M.  That's very confusing.

I always say vo+M, so hold down your voiceover keys, ctrl+option.  While
they are both down, hit the letter M.  Now, keep your voiceover keys
held down, and hit the letter M again, a second time.

This should focus you on menu extras, and now you can vo+left and right
arrow horizontally across the extras bar.  When you find the icon you
need, simply press vo+space on it, and then you should be able to
navigate the menu.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Chris" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 4:13 AM
Subject: Re: Menu extras keystroke



VO-m-m or control-f8.

On 06/08/2015 06:33, Pamela Francis wrote:

Folks, forgive my ignorance. I am drawing a blank on the keystroke to
get me into menu extras.
Thanks much

Pam Francis



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Re: OS X beta.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

You don't sign it with handwriting, but yes, you do check a box saying I 
agree to the terms, and to be bound by them.  It may be electronic, but, who 
cares! You still have binded yourself into the agreement.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Les Kriegler" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: OS X beta.


I've worked under NDA agreements. Any Indiana ever doubt with I had to sign. 
Are you saying the people participate in the Public Beta sign an agreement. 
If they do, then I understand what you were talking about if they don't, 
then an NDA doesn't apply.


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 6, 2015, at 3:20 PM, Littlefield, Tyler  
wrote:


-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Look,
If you agree to a NDA in any form before getting a beta, whether or
not you understand it or agree with it, you are legally bound by the
NDA. So we can discuss what should happen until we're blue in the
face, but what should and what is are two totally different things. So
if the NDA says no discussion, guess what that means? No discussion!


On 8/6/2015 3:09 PM, Sunshine wrote:
I agree with the person that  stated a public beta is a public
beta, so that a person should be able to discuss the public beta of
osx and the like why make it a public beta if they want nda as
well, public beta means that public beta you should be able to
discuss it with out havint to worry about things so public beta
means no nda.


On 8/6/2015 1:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Diddo.

Chris.


- Original Message - *From:* Joe Quinn
 *To:*
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

*Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 12:24 PM

*Subject:* Re: OS X beta.

as I've said, and I remember responding to this exact question,
so, rather than reply again, I'll just put my original reply
below. It still stands. The only thing I'll say different is
that if ya don't like, or have questions about,e Apple or their
policies in reguards to beta software, contact them about it. :(
it may not make sense, but that's the way it is. NDA, and all
that. in spite of it being public, ya still can't talk about it
publically. now if something's released about IOS 9 from apple,
then it can be discussed. I think that's the same for things
that're released elsewhere. for instance cool blind tech did an
overview of what is going to be in iOS 9. maybe they
shouldn't've done that, NDA again, but they did.


On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Les Kriegler
<kriegle...@gmail.com> wrote:


Well, then that really doesn't make sense to me. How can you
make something available to everybody and then swear everybody
to secrecy.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Joe Quinn
<jdawg1...@gmail.com> wrote:


The only thing that has changed in the betas is that you no
longer "need" to have a developer account.  Thus making it a
"public" beta. NDA still applies.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 6, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Les Kriegler
<kriegle...@gmail.com> wrote:


Okay, a question here.  If this is a public beta, then why
can’t questions be asked?  If it’s as it was before and it
wasn’t public, then I could understand.  But if Apple is
now going public with their betas, then I would think this
is open for discussion.  Now, if Im confusing the public
beta with OS 9, then I apologize for the question.
Thanks.

Les

On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
<clgillan...@gmail.com>
wrote:

I have to say in this particular case, I agree with
Sadam. It's not like he's asking for specifics.  He just
wanted a general yes, or no.

I guess the only agreement with Ray I would have is,
admittedly, this is kind of a grey area, as what one may
think is unstable, someone else may not really be as
concerned about.

Over all though, yes, Sadam, I think it's safe to
install, for what it's worth.

Yeah, there are some issues, but I don't think they're to
the point of being debilitating.

Chris.


- Original Message - *From:* Sadam Ahmed
 *To:*
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

*Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 9:21 AM

*Subject:* Re: OS X beta.

So, where in my message am I going into specifics?

Yes it’s stable at this time. Or no hold off there are
a couple of issues. That would suffice.

With Best regards,

Sadam Ahmed

Diploma of International Business candidate

RMIT University

Blog:

Http://www.SadamAhmed.com 


Sent using OS X Mail








On 6 Aug 2015, at 9:30 pm, Ray Foret Jr
<rforet7...@comcast.net>
wrote:

With respect, I disagree.  You did ask for something
to specific to discuss with you either privately or
otherwise. To ask how stable a beta OS is something
that touches on a degree of specifity which is not
something I for one am willi

Capturing Back GB After Deleting Files From An External Hard Drive

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello Folks, 

Please forgive me if this was recently discussed, but I can’t find the emails 
in the subject line in my inbox on the computer. I just deleted some files that 
were on an external disk of about 90 GB. When I go to the disk utility, it 
still states that the drive is minused the 90 GB. How do I go about fixing 
this, so the disk utility is showing the correct amount of disk storage on this 
drive? 

Thanks in advance and sorry if this is a repeat. 

Best, 
eileen 

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Re: Capturing Back GB After Deleting Files From An External Hard Drive

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Did you empty the trash after deleting the files?  If not, then the space is 
not freed up.  If you deleted the items while using a different machine, you 
must empty the trash or recycler on that machine first as you can't empty the 
trash that was created from a different machine or user.

Hope this makes sense.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 6, 2015, at 14:05, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:

Hello Folks, 

Please forgive me if this was recently discussed, but I can’t find the emails 
in the subject line in my inbox on the computer. I just deleted some files that 
were on an external disk of about 90 GB. When I go to the disk utility, it 
still states that the drive is minused the 90 GB. How do I go about fixing 
this, so the disk utility is showing the correct amount of disk storage on this 
drive? 

Thanks in advance and sorry if this is a repeat. 

Best, 
eileen 

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Re: OS X beta.

[Les Kriegler]

OK, but how many people that are now in the public program really understand 
that. No wonder it's talked about so much on the Internet. Listen, Apple made 
the bed on this one, and they can deal with the consequences. I'm not going to 
make any further comments on this one.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 6, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> You don't sign it with handwriting, but yes, you do check a box saying I 
> agree to the terms, and to be bound by them.  It may be electronic, but, who 
> cares! You still have binded yourself into the agreement.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Les Kriegler" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 3:30 PM
> Subject: Re: OS X beta.
> 
> 
> I've worked under NDA agreements. Any Indiana ever doubt with I had to sign. 
> Are you saying the people participate in the Public Beta sign an agreement. 
> If they do, then I understand what you were talking about if they don't, then 
> an NDA doesn't apply.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 3:20 PM, Littlefield, Tyler  wrote:
>> 
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> Hash: SHA1
>> 
>> Look,
>> If you agree to a NDA in any form before getting a beta, whether or
>> not you understand it or agree with it, you are legally bound by the
>> NDA. So we can discuss what should happen until we're blue in the
>> face, but what should and what is are two totally different things. So
>> if the NDA says no discussion, guess what that means? No discussion!
>> 
>>> On 8/6/2015 3:09 PM, Sunshine wrote:
>>> I agree with the person that  stated a public beta is a public
>>> beta, so that a person should be able to discuss the public beta of
>>> osx and the like why make it a public beta if they want nda as
>>> well, public beta means that public beta you should be able to
>>> discuss it with out havint to worry about things so public beta
>>> means no nda.
>>> 
 On 8/6/2015 1:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
 Diddo.
 
 Chris.
 
 
 - Original Message - *From:* Joe Quinn
  *To:*
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 12:24 PM
 *Subject:* Re: OS X beta.
 
 as I've said, and I remember responding to this exact question,
 so, rather than reply again, I'll just put my original reply
 below. It still stands. The only thing I'll say different is
 that if ya don't like, or have questions about,e Apple or their
 policies in reguards to beta software, contact them about it. :(
 it may not make sense, but that's the way it is. NDA, and all
 that. in spite of it being public, ya still can't talk about it
 publically. now if something's released about IOS 9 from apple,
 then it can be discussed. I think that's the same for things
 that're released elsewhere. for instance cool blind tech did an
 overview of what is going to be in iOS 9. maybe they
 shouldn't've done that, NDA again, but they did.
 
 
 On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Les Kriegler
 <kriegle...@gmail.com> wrote:
 
> Well, then that really doesn't make sense to me. How can you
> make something available to everybody and then swear everybody
> to secrecy.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Joe Quinn
> <jdawg1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> The only thing that has changed in the betas is that you no
>> longer "need" to have a developer account.  Thus making it a
>> "public" beta. NDA still applies.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Les Kriegler
>> <kriegle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Okay, a question here.  If this is a public beta, then why
>>> can’t questions be asked?  If it’s as it was before and it
>>> wasn’t public, then I could understand.  But if Apple is
>>> now going public with their betas, then I would think this
>>> is open for discussion.  Now, if Im confusing the public
>>> beta with OS 9, then I apologize for the question.
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Les
 On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
 <clgillan...@gmail.com>
 wrote:
 
 I have to say in this particular case, I agree with
 Sadam. It's not like he's asking for specifics.  He just
 wanted a general yes, or no.
 
 I guess the only agreement with Ray I would have is,
 admittedly, this is kind of a grey area, as what one may
 think is unstable, someone else may not really be as
 concerned about.
 
 Over all though, yes, Sadam, I think it's safe to
 install, for what it's worth.
 
 Yeah, there are some issues, but I don't think they're to

Re: Capturing Back GB After Deleting Files From An External Hard Drive

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Tim, 

Thanks for the missing link. I didn’t do that at first, but completed emptying 
the trash and now I have recovered all of the missing GBs. Thanks again. I’ll 
have to remember the last step when I need to recover lost space in the future. 

Best, 
Eileen  
> On Aug 6, 2015, at 1:13 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Did you empty the trash after deleting the files?  If not, then the space is 
> not freed up.  If you deleted the items while using a different machine, you 
> must empty the trash or recycler on that machine first as you can't empty the 
> trash that was created from a different machine or user.
> 
> Hope this makes sense.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Aug 6, 2015, at 14:05, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
> 
> Hello Folks, 
> 
> Please forgive me if this was recently discussed, but I can’t find the emails 
> in the subject line in my inbox on the computer. I just deleted some files 
> that were on an external disk of about 90 GB. When I go to the disk utility, 
> it still states that the drive is minused the 90 GB. How do I go about fixing 
> this, so the disk utility is showing the correct amount of disk storage on 
> this drive? 
> 
> Thanks in advance and sorry if this is a repeat. 
> 
> Best, 
> eileen 
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Re: Deleting email messages twice?

[jeff `greene]

Hi, going to mail settings preferences and under accounts to say account and 
then hit mailbox activities cab. Under there that should be a checkbox that 
says something about keep deleted messages on the server uncheck that and then 
hit OK you should be all set. Hope this helps Jeffx 

Sent from Outlook




On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 11:42 AM -0700, "Matthew Dierckens" 
 wrote:










Hi guys,
Ever since my computer's logic board was replaced last week, I notice that a 
bunch of settings have been screwed with for some reason.
When I delete messages on my iPhone or iPad and then go over to the mac side, 
the messages appear again so I have to delete them. Isn't there a setting I can 
change for this not to happen?
Thanks.
God bless.
Matthew Dierckens
Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
Macintosh, Windows and IOS  Trainer
U.S. number: 573-401-1018
Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com

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Re: OS X beta.

[Devin Prater]

Simple. Because not everyone has it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Well, then that really doesn't make sense to me. How can you make something 
> available to everybody and then swear everybody to secrecy.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Joe Quinn  wrote:
>> 
>> The only thing that has changed in the betas is that you no longer "need" to 
>> have a developer account.  Thus making it a "public" beta. NDA still applies.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Okay, a question here.  If this is a public beta, then why can’t questions 
>>> be asked?  If it’s as it was before and it wasn’t public, then I could 
>>> understand.  But if Apple is now going public with their betas, then I 
>>> would think this is open for discussion.  Now, if Im confusing the public 
>>> beta with OS 9, then I apologize for the question.  Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Les
 On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:
 
 I have to say in this particular case, I agree with Sadam.  It's not like 
 he's asking for specifics.  He just wanted a general yes, or no.
  
 I guess the only agreement with Ray I would have is, admittedly, this is 
 kind of a grey area, as what one may think is unstable, someone else may 
 not really be as concerned about.
  
 Over all though, yes, Sadam, I think it's safe to install, for what it's 
 worth.
  
 Yeah, there are some issues, but I don't think they're to the point of 
 being debilitating.
  
 Chris.
  
> - Original Message - 
> From: Sadam Ahmed
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 9:21 AM
> Subject: Re: OS X beta.
> 
> So, where in my message am I going into specifics? 
> 
> Yes it’s stable at this time. Or no hold off there are a couple of 
> issues. That would suffice. 
> 
> With Best regards, 
> 
> Sadam Ahmed 
> 
> Diploma of International Business candidate 
> 
> RMIT University 
> 
> Blog: 
> 
> Http://www.SadamAhmed.com 
> 
> Sent using OS X Mail 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 6 Aug 2015, at 9:30 pm, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>> With respect, I disagree.  You did ask for something to specific to 
>> discuss with you either privately or otherwise.  To ask how stable a 
>> beta OS is something that touches on a degree of specifity which is not 
>> something I for one am willing to go in to.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> 
>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac,
>> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 4:39 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ray, 
>>> 
>>> I'm not asking for specifics. 
>>> 
>>> Only gauging the suitability of putting this on my Mac. 
>>> 
>>> The question was quite broad. 
>>> 
>>> Don't think it breaks NDA. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 6 Aug 2015, at 7:23 pm, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
 
 Let me gentally remind you that we cannot discuss beta findings here.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 
 Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
 
 Sent from my Mac,
 the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
 
> On Aug 6, 2015, at 2:40 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> I would like to install the current beta and am wondering how stable 
> the current release is? 
> 
> If you would like to make contact off the list regarding this feel 
> free to reach out. 
> 
> Thanks in advance, 
> 
> Sadam Ahmed 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
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Re: Deleting email messages twice?

[Matthew Dierckens]

Thanks Jeff.
I wasn't sure where it was.

God bless.
Matthew Dierckens
Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
Macintosh, Windows and IOS  Trainer
U.S. number: 573-401-1018
Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com

On Aug 6, 2015, at 17:23, jeff `greene  wrote:

Hi, going to mail settings preferences and under accounts to say account and 
then hit mailbox activities cab. Under there that should be a checkbox that 
says something about keep deleted messages on the server uncheck that and then 
hit OK you should be all set. Hope this helps Jeffx 

Sent from Outlook 



On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 11:42 AM -0700, "Matthew Dierckens" 
mailto:matt.dierck...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi guys,
Ever since my computer's logic board was replaced last week, I notice that a 
bunch of settings have been screwed with for some reason.
When I delete messages on my iPhone or iPad and then go over to the mac side, 
the messages appear again so I have to delete them. Isn't there a setting I can 
change for this not to happen?
Thanks.
God bless.
Matthew Dierckens
Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
Macintosh, Windows and IOS  Trainer
U.S. number: 573-401-1018
Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com

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Re: Deleting email messages twice?

[Sean Murphy]

Hi,

I have all the necessary settings for the deleting option set and I find the 
messages delete from Mac Mail. But still appear on the iPhone. If you do it the 
other way, it seems to work. This is Gmail of course. Also sending Gmail 
messages take for ever to be send. When I look at the sent folder, there is 
multiple copies.

Mac Mail has some very strange behaviours with Gmail.

Sean 
> On 7 Aug 2015, at 7:23 am, jeff `greene  wrote:
> 
> Hi, going to mail settings preferences and under accounts to say account and 
> then hit mailbox activities cab. Under there that should be a checkbox that 
> says something about keep deleted messages on the server uncheck that and 
> then hit OK you should be all set. Hope this helps Jeffx 
> 
> Sent from Outlook 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 11:42 AM -0700, "Matthew Dierckens" 
> mailto:matt.dierck...@me.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
> Ever since my computer's logic board was replaced last week, I notice that a 
> bunch of settings have been screwed with for some reason.
> When I delete messages on my iPhone or iPad and then go over to the mac side, 
> the messages appear again so I have to delete them. Isn't there a setting I 
> can change for this not to happen?
> Thanks.
> God bless.
> Matthew Dierckens
> Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
> Macintosh, Windows and IOS  Trainer
> U.S. number: 573-401-1018
> Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com
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Re: OS X beta.

[Ray Foret Jr]

Got news for y'all.  public beta or not, it cannot be discussed.  That's 
Apple's policy.  Just deal with it.  IF you really want to know, sign up for 
their public beta program and find out.  Y'all are really something else.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in

> On Aug 6, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Sunshine  wrote:
> 
> I agree with the person that  stated a public beta is a public beta, so that 
> a person should be able to discuss the public beta of osx and the like why 
> make it a public beta if they want nda as well, public beta means that public 
> beta you should be able to discuss it with out havint to worry about things 
> so public beta means no nda.
> 
> On 8/6/2015 1:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> Diddo.
>>  
>> Chris.
>>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Joe Quinn 
>> To:  macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> 
>> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 12:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: OS X beta.
>> 
>> as I've said, and I remember responding to this exact question, so, rather 
>> than reply again, I'll just put my original reply below. It still stands. 
>> The only thing I'll say different is that if ya don't like, or have 
>> questions about,e Apple or their policies in reguards to beta software, 
>> contact them about it. :( 
>> it may not make sense, but that's the way it is. NDA, and all that. in spite 
>> of it being public, ya still can't talk about it publically. now if 
>> something's released about IOS 9 from apple, then it can be discussed. I 
>> think that's the same for things that're released elsewhere. for instance 
>> cool blind tech did an overview of what is going to be in iOS 9. maybe   
>> they shouldn't've done that, NDA again, but they did.
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Les Kriegler < 
>> kriegle...@gmail.com 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, then that really doesn't make sense to me. How can you make something 
>>> available to everybody and then swear everybody to secrecy.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Joe Quinn < 
>>> jdawg1...@gmail.com 
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
 The only thing that has changed in the betas is that you no longer "need" 
 to have a developer account.  Thus making it a "public" beta. NDA still 
 applies.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 6, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Les Kriegler < 
 kriegle...@gmail.com 
 > wrote:
 
> Okay, a question here.  If this is a public beta, then why can’t 
> questions be asked?  If it’s as it was before and it wasn’t public, then 
> I could understand.  But if Apple is now going public with their betas, 
> then I would think this is open for discussion.  Now, if Im confusing the 
> public beta with OS 9, then I apologize for the question.  Thanks.
> 
> Les
>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland < 
>> clgillan...@gmail.com 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> I have to say in this particular case, I agree with  
>>  Sadam.  It's not like he's asking for specifics.  He just 
>> wanted a general yes, or no.
>>  
>> I guess the only agreement with Ray I would have is, admittedly, this is 
>> kind of a grey area, as what one may think is unstable, someone else may 
>> not really be as concerned about.
>>  
>> Over all though, yes, Sadam, I think it's safe to install, for what it's 
>> worth.
>>  
>> Yeah, there are some issues, but I don't think they're to the point of 
>> being debilitating.
>>  
>> Chris.
>>  
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: Sadam Ahmed 
>>> To:  
>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> 
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 9:21 AM
>>> Subject: Re: OS X beta.
>>> 
>>> So, where in my message am I going into specifics? 
>>> 
>>> Yes it’s stable at this time. Or no hold off there are a couple of 
>>> issues. That would suffice. 
>>> 
>>> With Best regards, 
>>> 
>>> Sadam Ahmed 
>>> 
>>> Diploma of International Business candidate 
>>> 
>>> RMIT University 
>>> 
>>> Blog: 
>>> 
>>> Http://www.SadamAhmed.com  
>>> 
>>> Sent using OS X Mail 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 6 Aug 2015, at 9:30 pm, Ray Foret Jr < 
 

Re: OS X beta.

[Ray Foret Jr]

I totally agree.  Tell me, what part of "no discussion" do y'all not understand?


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in

> On Aug 6, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Littlefield, Tyler  wrote:
> 
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Look,
> If you agree to a NDA in any form before getting a beta, whether or
> not you understand it or agree with it, you are legally bound by the
> NDA. So we can discuss what should happen until we're blue in the
> face, but what should and what is are two totally different things. So
> if the NDA says no discussion, guess what that means? No discussion!
> 
> On 8/6/2015 3:09 PM, Sunshine wrote:
>> I agree with the person that  stated a public beta is a public
>> beta, so that a person should be able to discuss the public beta of
>> osx and the like why make it a public beta if they want nda as
>> well, public beta means that public beta you should be able to
>> discuss it with out havint to worry about things so public beta
>> means no nda.
>> 
>> On 8/6/2015 1:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> Diddo.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - *From:* Joe Quinn
>>>  *To:* 
>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 12:24 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: OS X beta.
>>> 
>>> as I've said, and I remember responding to this exact question, 
>>> so, rather than reply again, I'll just put my original reply 
>>> below. It still stands. The only thing I'll say different is
>>> that if ya don't like, or have questions about,e Apple or their 
>>> policies in reguards to beta software, contact them about it. :(
>>> it may not make sense, but that's the way it is. NDA, and all 
>>> that. in spite of it being public, ya still can't talk about it 
>>> publically. now if something's released about IOS 9 from apple, 
>>> then it can be discussed. I think that's the same for things 
>>> that're released elsewhere. for instance cool blind tech did an 
>>> overview of what is going to be in iOS 9. maybe they
>>> shouldn't've done that, NDA again, but they did.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Les Kriegler 
>>> <kriegle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Well, then that really doesn't make sense to me. How can you
 make something available to everybody and then swear everybody
 to secrecy.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Joe Quinn 
 <jdawg1...@gmail.com> wrote:
 
> The only thing that has changed in the betas is that you no 
> longer "need" to have a developer account.  Thus making it a 
> "public" beta. NDA still applies.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 6, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Les Kriegler 
> <kriegle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Okay, a question here.  If this is a public beta, then why 
>> can’t questions be asked?  If it’s as it was before and it 
>> wasn’t public, then I could understand.  But if Apple is
>> now going public with their betas, then I would think this
>> is open for discussion.  Now, if Im confusing the public
>> beta with OS 9, then I apologize for the question.
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Les
>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have to say in this particular case, I agree with
>>> Sadam. It's not like he's asking for specifics.  He just
>>> wanted a general yes, or no.
>>> 
>>> I guess the only agreement with Ray I would have is, 
>>> admittedly, this is kind of a grey area, as what one may
>>> think is unstable, someone else may not really be as
>>> concerned about.
>>> 
>>> Over all though, yes, Sadam, I think it's safe to
>>> install, for what it's worth.
>>> 
>>> Yeah, there are some issues, but I don't think they're to
>>> the point of being debilitating.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
 - Original Message - *From:* Sadam Ahmed
  *To:*
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 
 
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 9:21 AM
 *Subject:* Re: OS X beta.
 
 So, where in my message am I going into specifics?
 
 Yes it’s stable at this time. Or no hold off there are
 a couple of issues. That would suffice.
 
 With Best regards,
 
 Sadam Ahmed
 
 Diploma of International Business candidate
 
 RMIT University
 
 Blog:
 
 Http://www.SadamAhmed.com 

Re: OS X beta.

[Littlefield, Tyler]

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Did you have to check a "constantly barefooted" box on the NDA
agreement as well?
On 8/6/2015 6:04 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> Got news for y'all.  public beta or not, it cannot be discussed.
> That's Apple's policy.  Just deal with it.  IF you really want to
> know, sign up for their public beta program and find out.  Y'all
> are really something else.
> 
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> 
> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the
> blind built-in
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Sunshine > > wrote:
>> 
>> I agree with the person that  stated a public beta is a public
>> beta, so that a person should be able to discuss the public beta
>> of osx and the like why make it a public beta if they want nda as
>> well, public beta means that public beta you should be able to
>> discuss it with out havint to worry about things so public beta
>> means no nda.
>> 
>> On 8/6/2015 1:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> Diddo.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - *From:* Joe Quinn
>>>  *To:* 
>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>
>>>
>>> 
*Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 12:24 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: OS X beta.
>>> 
>>> as I've said, and I remember responding to this exact
>>> question, so, rather than reply again, I'll just put my
>>> original reply below. It still stands. The only thing I'll say
>>> different is that if ya don't like, or have questions about,e
>>> Apple or their policies in reguards to beta software, contact
>>> them about it. :( it may not make sense, but that's the way it
>>> is. NDA, and all that. in spite of it being public, ya still
>>> can't talk about it publically. now if something's released
>>> about IOS 9 from apple, then it can be discussed. I think
>>> that's the same for things that're released elsewhere. for
>>> instance cool blind tech did an overview of what is going to be
>>> in iOS 9. maybe they shouldn't've done that, NDA again, but
>>> they did.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Les Kriegler 
>>> <kriegle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Well, then that really doesn't make sense to me. How can you 
 make something available to everybody and then swear
 everybody to secrecy.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Joe Quinn 
 <jdawg1...@gmail.com> wrote:
 
> The only thing that has changed in the betas is that you
> no longer "need" to have a developer account.  Thus making
> it a "public" beta. NDA still applies.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 6, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Les Kriegler 
> <kriegle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Okay, a question here.  If this is a public beta, then
>> why can’t questions be asked?  If it’s as it was before
>> and it wasn’t public, then I could understand.  But if
>> Apple is now going public with their betas, then I would
>> think this is open for discussion.  Now, if Im confusing
>> the public beta with OS 9, then I apologize for the
>> question.  Thanks.
>> 
>> Les
>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have to say in this particular case, I agree with
>>> Sadam. It's not like he's asking for specifics.  He
>>> just wanted a general yes, or no.
>>> 
>>> I guess the only agreement with Ray I would have is, 
>>> admittedly, this is kind of a grey area, as what one
>>> may think is unstable, someone else may not really be
>>> as concerned about.
>>> 
>>> Over all though, yes, Sadam, I think it's safe to
>>> install, for what it's worth.
>>> 
>>> Yeah, there are some issues, but I don't think they're
>>> to the point of being debilitating.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
 - Original Message - *From:* Sadam Ahmed
  *To:*
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

 
*Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 9:21 AM
 *Subject:* Re: OS X beta.
 
 So, where in my message am I going into specifics?
 
 Yes it’s stable at this time. Or no hold off there
 are a couple of issues. That would suffice.
 
 With Best regards,
 
 Sadam Ahmed
 
 Diploma of International Business candidate
 
 RMIT University
 
 Blog:
 
 Http://www.SadamAhmed.com
 
 
 Sent using OS X Mail
 
 
 
 
 

Re: OS X beta.

[CJ Daniel]

Careful George,

You’ll set him off again…for the umteenth time.  I mean after all, when I 
posted this msg this thread was up to a count of 38.  Oh, and about a dozen of 
those were from He whom shall not be mentioned.  

Sort of ridiculous,

CJ


> On Aug 6, 2015, at 12:11 PM, george b  wrote:
> 
> Chris are you some kind of loney person
> They ask on this list not to answer with one liners, but I gess you think one 
> words are ok to fill up peoples in boxes
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
> Gilland
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 11:58
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: OS X beta.
>  
> Yeah...
>  
> I kind a wondered that same thing.
>  
> Chris.
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Daniel Miller 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 1:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: OS X beta.
>>  
>> What are you talking about? They don’t allow anything that hasn’t been 
>> publicly divulged to be discussed. *sighs* here we go, again.
>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 12:03 PM, Joe Quinn >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> really, that I didn't know. That's bad then. :(
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 11:47 AM, Les Kriegler >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Well, it really doesn't matter to me. I really could care less what Apple 
 does. But the fact that they will allow iOS nine to be discussed and not 
 OS X, that actually reinforces my opinion. Just my two cents worth.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 6, 2015, at 12:24 PM, Joe Quinn >>> > wrote:
 
> as I've said, and I remember responding to this exact question, so, 
> rather than reply again, I'll just put my original reply below. It still 
> stands. The only thing I'll say different is that if ya don't like, or 
> have questions about,e Apple or their policies in reguards to beta 
> software, contact them about it. :( 
> it may not make sense, but that's the way it is. NDA, and all that. in 
> spite of it being public, ya still can't talk about it publically. now if 
> something's released about IOS 9 from apple, then it can be discussed. I 
> think that's the same for things that're released elsewhere. for instance 
> cool blind tech did an overview of what is going to be in iOS 9. maybe 
> they shouldn't've done that, NDA again, but they did.
>  
> 
> On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Les Kriegler  > wrote:
> 
>> Well, then that really doesn't make sense to me. How can you make 
>> something available to everybody and then swear everybody to secrecy.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Joe Quinn > > wrote:
>> 
>>> The only thing that has changed in the betas is that you no longer 
>>> "need" to have a developer account.  Thus making it a "public" beta. 
>>> NDA still applies.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Les Kriegler >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Okay, a question here.  If this is a public beta, then why can’t 
 questions be asked?  If it’s as it was before and it wasn’t public, 
 then I could understand.  But if Apple is now going public with their 
 betas, then I would think this is open for discussion.  Now, if Im 
 confusing the public beta with OS 9, then I apologize for the 
 question.  Thanks. 
  
 Les
> On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
> mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> I have to say in this particular case, I agree with Sadam.  It's not 
> like he's asking for specifics.  He just wanted a general yes, or no.
>  
> I guess the only agreement with Ray I would have is, admittedly, this 
> is kind of a grey area, as what one may think is unstable, someone 
> else may not really be as concerned about.
>  
> Over all though, yes, Sadam, I think it's safe to install, for what 
> it's worth.
>  
> Yeah, there are some issues, but I don't think they're to the point 
> of being debilitating.
>  
> Chris.
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Sadam Ahmed 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> 
>> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 9:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: OS X beta.
>>  
>> So, where in m

Re: Text boxes in Pages?

[Nicholas Parsons]

Hi all,

Alex, I don’t think the issue you were having is a beta thing. I’ve noticed it 
as well and I’m not running any beta. It might, however, have something to do 
with the VoiceOver setting to play tones instead of announcing links. When I’m 
navigating through a Pages document using the down arrow key, with QuickNav 
turned off, if a line contains placeholder text only the placeholder text is 
spoken by VoiceOver, together with the link tone. However, navigating character 
by character or word by word works fine.

I think your problem with replacing placeholder text is that you’re not 
selecting the placeholder text. As you’re navigating down, VoiceOver announces 
the placeholder text but the keyboard cursor is at the beginning of the line or 
in any case not selecting the placeholder text. So you need to then navigate by 
word until you get to the placeholder text and then by character to select the 
placeholder text. You need to hear VoiceOver announce, “placeholder text 
selected”, and not just hear the tone, because the tone is played both when the 
placeholder text is selected and unselected.

You also might like to consider using AppleScript to complete your template. 
I’ve just created AppleScripts to complete forms at work, and it works really 
well. Templates and placeholder text are all part of the iWork scripting 
edition. So your script can prompt you for the client’s name and number of 
hours, and can then open a template in Pages, replace the placeholder text, 
export the document as PDF and email to the client.

Best of luck!
Nic

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Re: productive calender app on mac or ios?

[Nicholas Parsons]

I use the Calendar on Mac. I launch Calendar with the keyboard commander, press 
command-n to create a new event, and then type in the event details in natural 
language and press return. Fantastical is another option I’ve played with which 
is even faster – it sits in the menu bar and can be triggered with a hot key 
trigger, and the event details typed straight in – but for now I still prefere 
Apple’s native Calendar app on Mac.

> On 27 Jul 2015, at 7:01 pm, Paul Erkens  wrote:
> 
> Hi list,
> 
> When I need to make an appointment at work, I don’t have much time. Probably 
> 5 seconds to say yes or no to someone’s request if they can come back then or 
> then, and another few seconds to plan the appointment before life goes on. I 
> used to have a note taker that did the job, but its life time is over now and 
> I’m doing the job in notepad or text edit.
> 
> Obviously, the iphone app is way too slow. It involves finding the day in a 
> grid, double tapping it, checking the available time slots by hand while you 
> hear nah teh ele twelve wah to thre foh five as you flick as quickly as you 
> can. Then when planning the appointment, you find your add button, find the 
> text entry field, type or dictate, check or set the exact date and time, 
> click add.
> For those of you in tight time circumstances: what do you use to maintain 
> your calendar? A dedicated mac app, or something very efficient on ios?
> Curious.
> Siri could be an option, but it is way too verbose and its speed is way too 
> slow in order for it to do the job in just a few seconds. If siri had the 
> speed of voiceover, that would help, but you may have better options.
> 
> Paul.
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Re: Text boxes in Pages?

[Alex Hall]

That makes sense, thanks. Yes, I use tones, and that may well be throwing me 
off. I understand, too, what Anne was saying; you don't have to *select* the 
text, you just move to it and it is selected for you. AppleScript is certainly 
an interesting idea I'll have to look into further--I never thought of using 
that with Pages.
> On Aug 6, 2015, at 8:52 PM, Nicholas Parsons  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Alex, I don’t think the issue you were having is a beta thing. I’ve noticed 
> it as well and I’m not running any beta. It might, however, have something to 
> do with the VoiceOver setting to play tones instead of announcing links. When 
> I’m navigating through a Pages document using the down arrow key, with 
> QuickNav turned off, if a line contains placeholder text only the placeholder 
> text is spoken by VoiceOver, together with the link tone. However, navigating 
> character by character or word by word works fine.
> 
> I think your problem with replacing placeholder text is that you’re not 
> selecting the placeholder text. As you’re navigating down, VoiceOver 
> announces the placeholder text but the keyboard cursor is at the beginning of 
> the line or in any case not selecting the placeholder text. So you need to 
> then navigate by word until you get to the placeholder text and then by 
> character to select the placeholder text. You need to hear VoiceOver 
> announce, “placeholder text selected”, and not just hear the tone, because 
> the tone is played both when the placeholder text is selected and unselected.
> 
> You also might like to consider using AppleScript to complete your template. 
> I’ve just created AppleScripts to complete forms at work, and it works really 
> well. Templates and placeholder text are all part of the iWork scripting 
> edition. So your script can prompt you for the client’s name and number of 
> hours, and can then open a template in Pages, replace the placeholder text, 
> export the document as PDF and email to the client.
> 
> Best of luck!
> Nic
> 
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help with wordpress

[Laura Bratton]

Hi all,
Does anyone have helpful resources for learning how to use wordpress with vo? I 
have administrative access to a wordpress website where I will need to update 
the content. So if anyone could give helpful resources or tips that would be 
great.
Thank you,
Laura


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Re: I Tunes Match.

[Terje Strømberg]

Do you know if the quality of ripped cd’s alac apple lossles audio codec is 
downgraded to 256kbs aac ? I have read this somewhere, but not confirmed by 
apple. If there is a way to not upload ripped cd’s alac quality and still use 
it on mac within apple music playlists on that mac within the same playlist 
that has aac songs matched. i.e. mixed ripped with streamed and matched in the 
same playlist - alac and aac, but only the aac 256kbs is sendt to the other IOS 
devices.

Take care 


6. aug. 2015 kl. 10:11 skrev Chris :

Hi yes it does, with an Apple Music subscription you can access your matched 
content from the "My Music" section.

On 06/08/2015 07:44, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Kawal Gucukoglu 
>> Date: 6 August 2015 7:42:11 am BST
>> To: "macvisionaries@googlegroups.com" 
>> Subject: Re: I Tunes Match.
>> 
>> So if you import a CD to  your library, and you have the match subscription, 
>> does the music go to the cloud?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6 Aug 2015, at 12:15 am, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> iTunes Match is now iCloud Music Library. All references to iTunes Match 
>>> have been removed. The only way a reference to that will show up is if you 
>>> sign out of your account, and then it’ll show up in the Account menu.
>>> 
 On Aug 5, 2015, at 5:43 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 Please could someone tell me where iTunes Match is as I can't find it in 
 the latest iTunes and have looked through all the menus.
 
 Thanks.
 
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