Has anyone tried WriteToGo Pocket on their iDevice?
Hello everyone, After listening to David Woodbridge's podcast on bluetooth keyboards with the iPhone, I went out and bought a bluetooth keyboard from the Apple Store. I love it and only wish that I had purchased one earlier on. Now, I am trying to determine which text editor might be a good fit for the iPhone 4S and the keyboard. I ran across a text editor called WriteToGo Pocket, which is supposed to work with iDevices running iOS7 and higher. I was wondering whether or not anyone had tried out this editor and how well it worked with VoiceOver. If anyone could recommend another text editor as an alternative that works well with the aforementioned equipment and VO, I'd be grateful. Thanks in advance, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Hard time converting a mp3
Yes, You should be able to rename it as an m4r or put it in iTunes and save it as a tone. It's been a while since I've created a ringtone. Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net On Jan 11, 2014, at 11:00 PM, Traci wrote: > My ultimate goal is to get into a ring tone. Will this method work? > > >> On Jan 11, 2014, at 5:00 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote: >> >> Tracey, >> If you are using a mac, rename the extension to aiff and then convert to mp3. >> >> Stacey Robinson >> stacey...@bellsouth.net >> >> >> >>> On Jan 11, 2014, at 4:55 PM, Traci Duncan wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I have this alert sound I like that is a mp3. I’m having a heck of a time >>> converting it in to a m4A or a m4r. >>> >>> I think it has something to do with the bit rate of the sound. I’ve tried >>> iTunes and audacity. I’m not too familiar with Garage Band, but I did give >>> it a whirl with no success. :) >>> >>> Any suggestions? >>> >>> Traci >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: How to use emacs on mac
the last time i needed VI was when i installed boom on the mac mini and had too manually delete all of its files, i found out at that time that vi was not too be had from my recovery disk, so rm too the rescue ;d That, is a another story intirely though:) Sandi On 1/11/14, Teresa Cochran wrote: > Oh, my, I had a horrible time with VI, because I didn’t RTFM, of course, and > I couldn’t get out of it. More and more control characters kept appearing > from my attempts to press escape and control-q, and then when I found that > exiting was an obscure command like ZZ or something really disjointed, I > complained to a programmer friend of mine. He said it was all completely > logical. Now I know how some people feel when they learn Braille! :) anyway, > Emacs is only slightly less intuitive to my way of thinking, but I took the > time to RTFM before I used it. :) > > Ok, I’ll bite, RTFM is Read the Frigging Manual. :) > > Teresa > > Slow down; you'll get there faster. > > On Jan 11, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse > wrote: > >> hi Teresa, no problem, usually when i need that kinda editor, i would >> use a proper one, "vi" but that is just me , hides under a very solid >> table, that is all religion though. >> Best >> >> >> Sandi >> >> >> On 1/11/14, Devin Prater wrote: >>> Going to the terminal and typing "emacs" should be sufficient. >>> Sent from my braille plus 18 >>> >>> Teresa Cochran wrote: >>> hi, Sandi, There might be some confusion here. Emacs is a desktop that you start from Terminal. Do you have this? i haven’t found it natively or on Macports or Homebrew, which you have to install. Can you tell me the steps you use to run it? Thanks, Teresa "Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. Feynman On Jan 11, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote: > am not sure how one would install emacsspeak, but emacs seems too be > installed on my version of ml, > > On 1/11/14, Teresa Cochran wrote: >> I may google this today. I so don’t want to install from source, as I >> don’t >> have enough knowledge of command line to do this yet. I also don’t >> want >> to >> use VO with emacs, because VO is a bit unpredictable when you get >> outside of >> the shell. >> >> Teresa >> >> "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, >> it's >> too >> dark to read."--Groucho Marx >> >> On Jan 11, 2014, at 6:59 AM, Devin Prater wrote: >> >>> Yes, I've also wanted to use emacs with emacspeak for a while now. >>> Sent from my braille plus 18 >>> >>> Kjsc Radio wrote: >>> Hi all, just a simple question, do you know how I could compile emacs to work in the terminal? And how would i get it working? Thanks all. Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>> send >>> an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send >> an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.
Re: Access Note
Be sure that your accessnote has been linked to dropbox. You can find the folder in dropbox apps and afb_accessnote. Upload your files and press sync in the accessnote app, and it should work. Best regards Annie. Den 11 Jan 2014 kl. 03:46 skrev Eugenia Firth : > Hi there > I am doing something wrong that is preventing Drop Box from sending files to > AccessNote. Where on the Mac do you put the files so that Drop Box will then > find them? This is a file that I have on my Mac that I would like to put on > this old iPhone 4 with Drop Box. It started out to be an experiment, but now > it's getting more important. My PacMate is giving me trouble, and it's about > 7 years old anyway. I don't want to spend a bunch more money on it. > > The instructions in Access Note say that you can also attach a file to an > email message and it's supposed to be able to get the file that way. Brf > files are not supposed to be edited in Access Note according to the > directions. But you're supposed to be able to red them. It sounds like Access > Note is the program I need to read brf files, but I can't get files into it, > and I know for sure based based on what you said that I am doing something > wrong here. > > Regards, > Gigi > > On Jan 10, 2014, at 7:41 PM, John Sanfilippo wrote: > >> I may be missing the import of your question, but I use Access note now >> regularly. But, I do not use it for braille or with braille. All I know is >> that i have it "hooked up" with DropBox and I press the sync button rather >> conscienciously and my stuff is usually properly sinced. >> >> John S >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: Eugenia Firth >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 7:28 PM >> Subject: Access Note >> >> Hi Guys >> It's a long story, but I am in the process of testing an iPhone 4 so that I >> can consider reading brf files with it, until I decide to get my much-wanted >> iPad. I've got it under my Apple ID and everything. I have copied both >> Access Note and Drop Box to my iPhone. I have Drop Box on my Mac. >> >> It says you can do this either with Drop Box or sending an email file with >> the brf file attached. Any suggestions? >> >> Regards, >> Gigi >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Has anyone tried WriteToGo Pocket on their iDevice?
You can use Apple’s Pages. It is $9.99 and it is fully accessible and can sync with the Pages on your Mac. Also a free one that is accessible is QuickOffice, it is a MS Office editor and can sync with Google Drive. I heard Access Note is a must have for VO users and also try Evernote too. Enjoy! Daniel Hawkins - Posted from my Macbook Pro 2012 15in. Macbook Pro 2.3 Quad-core i7 4GB DDR3 500GB HDD Dual Boot: Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit On Jan 12, 2014, at 3:04 AM, Mike Busboom wrote: > Hello everyone, > > After listening to David Woodbridge's podcast on bluetooth keyboards with the > iPhone, I went out and bought a bluetooth keyboard from the Apple Store. I > love it and only wish that I had purchased one earlier on. > > Now, I am trying to determine which text editor might be a good fit for the > iPhone 4S and the keyboard. I ran across a text editor called WriteToGo > Pocket, which is supposed to work with iDevices running iOS7 and higher. I > was wondering whether or not anyone had tried out this editor and how well it > worked with VoiceOver. If anyone could recommend another text editor as an > alternative that works well with the aforementioned equipment and VO, I'd be > grateful. > > Thanks in advance, > > Mike > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Has anyone tried WriteToGo Pocket on their iDevice?
Hello Daniel, I now have Access Note and will try it out. Since I have a DropBox account, this should work out. I note that there seems to be good documentation that comes along with the App, and that is never bad. Thanks for the tips. Mike On 12,Jan,2014, at 3:08 PM, Daniel Hawkins wrote: > You can use Apple’s Pages. It is $9.99 and it is fully accessible and can > sync with the Pages on your Mac. > > Also a free one that is accessible is QuickOffice, it is a MS Office editor > and can sync with Google Drive. > > I heard Access Note is a must have for VO users and also try Evernote too. > > Enjoy! > Daniel Hawkins > - Posted from my Macbook Pro > > 2012 15in. Macbook Pro > 2.3 Quad-core i7 > 4GB DDR3 > 500GB HDD > > Dual Boot: > Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit > > On Jan 12, 2014, at 3:04 AM, Mike Busboom wrote: > >> Hello everyone, >> >> After listening to David Woodbridge's podcast on bluetooth keyboards with >> the iPhone, I went out and bought a bluetooth keyboard from the Apple Store. >> I love it and only wish that I had purchased one earlier on. >> >> Now, I am trying to determine which text editor might be a good fit for the >> iPhone 4S and the keyboard. I ran across a text editor called WriteToGo >> Pocket, which is supposed to work with iDevices running iOS7 and higher. I >> was wondering whether or not anyone had tried out this editor and how well >> it worked with VoiceOver. If anyone could recommend another text editor as >> an alternative that works well with the aforementioned equipment and VO, I'd >> be grateful. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Mike >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Today's 30 minutes with VoiceOver
I opened Safari. I turned VoiceOver on. After a dozen tries, I managed to get it onto the Bookmarks. Somehow, as I was transferring my notes to a Pages document, it crashed, and a low, low, grumbling male voice started speaking. I turned off VoiceOver, closed Safari, and tried again. Another dozen tries, and I never did get it back on the Bookmarks bar to an actual bookmark. The one time I did, it wouldn't click on it, it highlighted and wanted to change it. Huh? So, I closed and turned it all off again. Then, I opened Safari back up. Opened up a web page, and turned VoiceOver back on. Again it got stuck in the menu, and would not get to content. At least, unlike in Firefox, I can click on the region I need read to me, and it will then work. That's my 30 minutes of trying to open a webpage today. Back to writing. And you wonder why I need step by step directions, and not just a random list. So far, to get it on Safari, I have: Step 1: Open Safari Step 2: Command, F5 to start VoiceOver Step 1: Control, Option, Down arrow from the menu to the bookmarks. And yet it doesn't quiet work, as it doesn't go the list of bookmarks. It did once. And where did this creepy male voice come from that keeps interrupting? I can't comprehend low tones. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Today's 30 minutes with VoiceOver
April, First, you are needlessly making far too much work for yourself all for nothing. Why do you insist you must turn Voice OVer off every time you get out of Safari. This is quite frankly, unnecessary. Also, the procedure you are using to try to open bookmarks is completely incorrect. First, leave Voice OVer on. DO, NOT, turn it off. Here’s how to get in to book marks. 1. Open Safari. 2. Now, press VO+m to open the menu structure. 3. Now, press b for book marks. 4. Now, arrow down in to this menu, and, when ever you hear a book mark folder you want to get in to, press right arrow to expand it. Want to edit your book Marks? Do this. 1. Open safari. 2. Press Cmd+Option+b. That gets you in to the edit book marks window. You should know enough by now to take it from there. Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in! Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:21 PM, April Brown wrote: > I opened Safari. > I turned VoiceOver on. > After a dozen tries, I managed to get it onto the Bookmarks. > Somehow, as I was transferring my notes to a Pages document, it crashed, and > a low, low, grumbling male voice started speaking. > > I turned off VoiceOver, closed Safari, and tried again. > > Another dozen tries, and I never did get it back on the Bookmarks bar to an > actual bookmark. The one time I did, it wouldn't click on it, it > highlighted and wanted to change it. Huh? > > So, I closed and turned it all off again. > > Then, I opened Safari back up. Opened up a web page, and turned VoiceOver > back on. Again it got stuck in the menu, and would not get to content. At > least, unlike in Firefox, I can click on the region I need read to me, and it > will then work. > > That's my 30 minutes of trying to open a webpage today. > > Back to writing. > > And you wonder why I need step by step directions, and not just a random list. > > So far, to get it on Safari, I have: > Step 1: Open Safari > Step 2: Command, F5 to start VoiceOver > Step 1: Control, Option, Down arrow from the menu to the bookmarks. And yet > it doesn't quiet work, as it doesn't go the list of bookmarks. It did once. > > And where did this creepy male voice come from that keeps interrupting? I > can't comprehend low tones. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Has anyone tried WriteToGo Pocket on their iDevice?
Mike, I'm pretty sure Pages on the iphone with iOS 7 is now free. Check it in the app store. I purchased it a long time ago so not sure exactly how to see if it still has a cost. Eric Caron On Jan 12, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Mike Busboom wrote: > Hello Daniel, > > I now have Access Note and will try it out. Since I have a DropBox account, > this should work out. I note that there seems to be good documentation that > comes along with the App, and that is never bad. > > Thanks for the tips. > > Mike > > On 12,Jan,2014, at 3:08 PM, Daniel Hawkins > wrote: > >> You can use Apple’s Pages. It is $9.99 and it is fully accessible and can >> sync with the Pages on your Mac. >> >> Also a free one that is accessible is QuickOffice, it is a MS Office editor >> and can sync with Google Drive. >> >> I heard Access Note is a must have for VO users and also try Evernote too. >> >> Enjoy! >> Daniel Hawkins >> - Posted from my Macbook Pro >> >> 2012 15in. Macbook Pro >> 2.3 Quad-core i7 >> 4GB DDR3 >> 500GB HDD >> >> Dual Boot: >> Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit >> >> On Jan 12, 2014, at 3:04 AM, Mike Busboom wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> After listening to David Woodbridge's podcast on bluetooth keyboards with >>> the iPhone, I went out and bought a bluetooth keyboard from the Apple >>> Store. I love it and only wish that I had purchased one earlier on. >>> >>> Now, I am trying to determine which text editor might be a good fit for the >>> iPhone 4S and the keyboard. I ran across a text editor called WriteToGo >>> Pocket, which is supposed to work with iDevices running iOS7 and higher. I >>> was wondering whether or not anyone had tried out this editor and how well >>> it worked with VoiceOver. If anyone could recommend another text editor as >>> an alternative that works well with the aforementioned equipment and VO, >>> I'd be grateful. >>> >>> Thanks in advance, >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Today's 30 minutes with VoiceOver
The reason for turning VoiceOver off is to clear it, so when I open it back up, it will be back at the beginning, and maybe I can manage to figure out the steps to opening a web page from the bookmarks. I know it's incorrect. I haven't found directions anywhere. I just have multiple lists of commands, and no idea what order to put them in. It's a giant jigsaw puzzle. I try what you suggest. Thanks, April . On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:29:48 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: > > April, > > First, you are needlessly making far too much work for yourself all for > nothing. Why do you insist you must turn Voice OVer off every time you get > out of Safari. This is quite frankly, unnecessary. Also, the procedure > you are using to try to open bookmarks is completely incorrect. > > First, leave Voice OVer on. DO, NOT, turn it off. > > Here’s how to get in to book marks. > > 1. Open Safari. > > 2. Now, press VO+m to open the menu structure. > > 3. Now, press b for book marks. > > 4. Now, arrow down in to this menu, and, when ever you hear a book mark > folder you want to get in to, press right arrow to expand it. > > Want to edit your book Marks? > > Do this. > > 1. Open safari. > > 2. Press Cmd+Option+b. That gets you in to the edit book marks window. > > You should know enough by now to take it from there. > > > Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind > built-in! > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! > > On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:21 PM, April Brown > > wrote: > > I opened Safari. > I turned VoiceOver on. > After a dozen tries, I managed to get it onto the Bookmarks. > Somehow, as I was transferring my notes to a Pages document, it crashed, > and a low, low, grumbling male voice started speaking. > > I turned off VoiceOver, closed Safari, and tried again. > > Another dozen tries, and I never did get it back on the Bookmarks bar to > an actual bookmark. The one time I did, it wouldn't click on it, it > highlighted and wanted to change it. Huh? > > So, I closed and turned it all off again. > > Then, I opened Safari back up. Opened up a web page, and turned VoiceOver > back on. Again it got stuck in the menu, and would not get to content. At > least, unlike in Firefox, I can click on the region I need read to me, and > it will then work. > > That's my 30 minutes of trying to open a webpage today. > > Back to writing. > > And you wonder why I need step by step directions, and not just a random > list. > > So far, to get it on Safari, I have: > Step 1: Open Safari > Step 2: Command, F5 to start VoiceOver > Step 1: Control, Option, Down arrow from the menu to the bookmarks. And > yet it doesn't quiet work, as it doesn't go the list of bookmarks. It did > once. > > And where did this creepy male voice come from that keeps interrupting? I > can't comprehend low tones. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionarie...@googlegroups.com . > To post to this group, send email to macvisi...@googlegroups.com > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Hard time converting a mp3
There really must be some issue with this particular mp3. Lol, I’m giving up for now. If I only new the name of the alert I could find it elsewhere. Thanks for the assistance. On Jan 12, 2014, at 5:15 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote: > Yes, > You should be able to rename it as an m4r or put it in iTunes and save it as > a tone. > It's been a while since I've created a ringtone. > > Stacey Robinson > stacey...@bellsouth.net > > > > On Jan 11, 2014, at 11:00 PM, Traci wrote: > >> My ultimate goal is to get into a ring tone. Will this method work? >> >> >>> On Jan 11, 2014, at 5:00 PM, Stacey Robinson >>> wrote: >>> >>> Tracey, >>> If you are using a mac, rename the extension to aiff and then convert to >>> mp3. >>> >>> Stacey Robinson >>> stacey...@bellsouth.net >>> >>> >>> On Jan 11, 2014, at 4:55 PM, Traci Duncan wrote: Hi all, I have this alert sound I like that is a mp3. I’m having a heck of a time converting it in to a m4A or a m4r. I think it has something to do with the bit rate of the sound. I’ve tried iTunes and audacity. I’m not too familiar with Garage Band, but I did give it a whirl with no success. :) Any suggestions? Traci -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Recovery particion
I restarted my Mac in order to repair permissions. I could not do this, as the button was dimmed. I then tried to repair the disk. I was informed that “lion file system repair was not supported.” Is there a remedy for this? You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding Sent from my Mac Book Pro richr...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Today's 30 minutes with VoiceOver
April, I can't even imagine what approach you're trying to take here, or why you're taking it. In the nearly four years I've been using a Mac, I don't think I've *ever turned Voiceover off. You don't need to "clear" anything. Best, Donna On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:34 PM, April Brown wrote: > The reason for turning VoiceOver off is to clear it, so when I open it back > up, it will be back at the beginning, and maybe I can manage to figure out > the steps to opening a web page from the bookmarks. I know it's incorrect. > I haven't found directions anywhere. I just have multiple lists of commands, > and no idea what order to put them in. It's a giant jigsaw puzzle. I try > what you suggest. > > Thanks, > > April > . > > On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:29:48 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: > April, > > First, you are needlessly making far too much work for yourself all for > nothing. Why do you insist you must turn Voice OVer off every time you get > out of Safari. This is quite frankly, unnecessary. Also, the procedure you > are using to try to open bookmarks is completely incorrect. > > First, leave Voice OVer on. DO, NOT, turn it off. > > Here’s how to get in to book marks. > > 1. Open Safari. > > 2. Now, press VO+m to open the menu structure. > > 3. Now, press b for book marks. > > 4. Now, arrow down in to this menu, and, when ever you hear a book mark > folder you want to get in to, press right arrow to expand it. > > Want to edit your book Marks? > > Do this. > > 1. Open safari. > > 2. Press Cmd+Option+b. That gets you in to the edit book marks window. > > You should know enough by now to take it from there. > > > Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind > built-in! > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! > > On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:21 PM, April Brown wrote: > >> I opened Safari. >> I turned VoiceOver on. >> After a dozen tries, I managed to get it onto the Bookmarks. >> Somehow, as I was transferring my notes to a Pages document, it crashed, and >> a low, low, grumbling male voice started speaking. >> >> I turned off VoiceOver, closed Safari, and tried again. >> >> Another dozen tries, and I never did get it back on the Bookmarks bar to an >> actual bookmark. The one time I did, it wouldn't click on it, it >> highlighted and wanted to change it. Huh? >> >> So, I closed and turned it all off again. >> >> Then, I opened Safari back up. Opened up a web page, and turned VoiceOver >> back on. Again it got stuck in the menu, and would not get to content. At >> least, unlike in Firefox, I can click on the region I need read to me, and >> it will then work. >> >> That's my 30 minutes of trying to open a webpage today. >> >> Back to writing. >> >> And you wonder why I need step by step directions, and not just a random >> list. >> >> So far, to get it on Safari, I have: >> Step 1: Open Safari >> Step 2: Command, F5 to start VoiceOver >> Step 1: Control, Option, Down arrow from the menu to the bookmarks. And yet >> it doesn't quiet work, as it doesn't go the list of bookmarks. It did once. >> >> And where did this creepy male voice come from that keeps interrupting? I >> can't comprehend low tones. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionarie...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisi...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Today's 30 minutes with VoiceOver
Hi, April, It sounds like you very possibly could very much benefit from individual instruction. If you have an Apple Store in your area, you might find out if the folks there can refer you to someone. Or you can call Apple’s accessibility number for referrals. I am not saying this because we don’t want to help you. I’m thinking that it’s sort of like the person who constantly gets lost and never remembers how the route is corrected, because each error is different. Not to mention that it’s a fairly steep learning curve, and it’s always beneficial to have a consistent method of doing things, especially as a beginner. I don’t know where you’re located, but here’s the Apple accessibility number: 1-877-204-3930 US only. Also, I’m sure there are folks on this list who can give one-on-one instruction for using the Mac. this is just a suggestion. HtH, Teresa Slow down; you'll get there faster. On Jan 12, 2014, at 11:34 AM, April Brown wrote: > The reason for turning VoiceOver off is to clear it, so when I open it back > up, it will be back at the beginning, and maybe I can manage to figure out > the steps to opening a web page from the bookmarks. I know it's incorrect. > I haven't found directions anywhere. I just have multiple lists of commands, > and no idea what order to put them in. It's a giant jigsaw puzzle. I try > what you suggest. > > Thanks, > > April > . > > On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:29:48 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: > April, > > First, you are needlessly making far too much work for yourself all for > nothing. Why do you insist you must turn Voice OVer off every time you get > out of Safari. This is quite frankly, unnecessary. Also, the procedure you > are using to try to open bookmarks is completely incorrect. > > First, leave Voice OVer on. DO, NOT, turn it off. > > Here’s how to get in to book marks. > > 1. Open Safari. > > 2. Now, press VO+m to open the menu structure. > > 3. Now, press b for book marks. > > 4. Now, arrow down in to this menu, and, when ever you hear a book mark > folder you want to get in to, press right arrow to expand it. > > Want to edit your book Marks? > > Do this. > > 1. Open safari. > > 2. Press Cmd+Option+b. That gets you in to the edit book marks window. > > You should know enough by now to take it from there. > > > Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind > built-in! > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! > > On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:21 PM, April Brown wrote: > >> I opened Safari. >> I turned VoiceOver on. >> After a dozen tries, I managed to get it onto the Bookmarks. >> Somehow, as I was transferring my notes to a Pages document, it crashed, and >> a low, low, grumbling male voice started speaking. >> >> I turned off VoiceOver, closed Safari, and tried again. >> >> Another dozen tries, and I never did get it back on the Bookmarks bar to an >> actual bookmark. The one time I did, it wouldn't click on it, it >> highlighted and wanted to change it. Huh? >> >> So, I closed and turned it all off again. >> >> Then, I opened Safari back up. Opened up a web page, and turned VoiceOver >> back on. Again it got stuck in the menu, and would not get to content. At >> least, unlike in Firefox, I can click on the region I need read to me, and >> it will then work. >> >> That's my 30 minutes of trying to open a webpage today. >> >> Back to writing. >> >> And you wonder why I need step by step directions, and not just a random >> list. >> >> So far, to get it on Safari, I have: >> Step 1: Open Safari >> Step 2: Command, F5 to start VoiceOver >> Step 1: Control, Option, Down arrow from the menu to the bookmarks. And yet >> it doesn't quiet work, as it doesn't go the list of bookmarks. It did once. >> >> And where did this creepy male voice come from that keeps interrupting? I >> can't comprehend low tones. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionarie...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisi...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To u
Re: Today's 30 minutes with VoiceOver
Hi Donna, I am trying to learn VoiceOver. Not successfully. I still have some vision, some days. I now have a headache. Thanks to Ray Foret, I can now open a web page, I just still can't figure out how to get it to read it without clicking where I need it to go. I have to learn to learn this before I am completely blind. Or perhaps, it would be better for me to not, and use a Braille display instead. However, I will likely retain some hearing at least another five to ten years. I still don't under stand half the words on these manuals. It's Greek and Chinese mixed. I'm, glad there are people out there who have someone to show them how, and the order to do things in. I can't figure it out. And with poor memory, I'll need it written to ever duplicate it. On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:52:42 PM UTC-5, Donna wrote: > > April, > > I can't even imagine what approach you're trying to take here, or why > you're taking it. > > In the nearly four years I've been using a Mac, I don't think I've *ever > turned Voiceover off. You don't need to "clear" anything. > Best, > Donna > On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:34 PM, April Brown > > wrote: > > The reason for turning VoiceOver off is to clear it, so when I open it > back up, it will be back at the beginning, and maybe I can manage to figure > out the steps to opening a web page from the bookmarks. I know it's > incorrect. I haven't found directions anywhere. I just have multiple > lists of commands, and no idea what order to put them in. It's a giant > jigsaw puzzle. I try what you suggest. > > Thanks, > > April > . > > On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:29:48 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: >> >> April, >> >> First, you are needlessly making far too much work for yourself all for >> nothing. Why do you insist you must turn Voice OVer off every time you get >> out of Safari. This is quite frankly, unnecessary. Also, the procedure >> you are using to try to open bookmarks is completely incorrect. >> >> First, leave Voice OVer on. DO, NOT, turn it off. >> >> Here’s how to get in to book marks. >> >> 1. Open Safari. >> >> 2. Now, press VO+m to open the menu structure. >> >> 3. Now, press b for book marks. >> >> 4. Now, arrow down in to this menu, and, when ever you hear a book mark >> folder you want to get in to, press right arrow to expand it. >> >> Want to edit your book Marks? >> >> Do this. >> >> 1. Open safari. >> >> 2. Press Cmd+Option+b. That gets you in to the edit book marks window. >> >> You should know enough by now to take it from there. >> >> >> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >> built-in! >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >> >> On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:21 PM, April Brown wrote: >> >> I opened Safari. >> I turned VoiceOver on. >> After a dozen tries, I managed to get it onto the Bookmarks. >> Somehow, as I was transferring my notes to a Pages document, it crashed, >> and a low, low, grumbling male voice started speaking. >> >> I turned off VoiceOver, closed Safari, and tried again. >> >> Another dozen tries, and I never did get it back on the Bookmarks bar to >> an actual bookmark. The one time I did, it wouldn't click on it, it >> highlighted and wanted to change it. Huh? >> >> So, I closed and turned it all off again. >> >> Then, I opened Safari back up. Opened up a web page, and turned >> VoiceOver back on. Again it got stuck in the menu, and would not get to >> content. At least, unlike in Firefox, I can click on the region I need >> read to me, and it will then work. >> >> That's my 30 minutes of trying to open a webpage today. >> >> Back to writing. >> >> And you wonder why I need step by step directions, and not just a random >> list. >> >> So far, to get it on Safari, I have: >> Step 1: Open Safari >> Step 2: Command, F5 to start VoiceOver >> Step 1: Control, Option, Down arrow from the menu to the bookmarks. And >> yet it doesn't quiet work, as it doesn't go the list of bookmarks. It did >> once. >> >> And where did this creepy male voice come from that keeps interrupting? >> I can't comprehend low tones. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionarie...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisi...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionarie...@googlegroups.com . > To post to this group, send email to macvisi...@googlegroups.com > . > Visit this group at http://groups.goog
Re: Today's 30 minutes with VoiceOver
Hi Teresa, I really need on on one training. However, the techs have no training in VoiceOver. I did call the number once, and never reached a person, just high pitched screaming music. I did the online chat, and even that tech didn't know anything about VoiceOver. On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:54:32 PM UTC-5, Teresa Cochran wrote: > > Hi, April, > > It sounds like you very possibly could very much benefit from individual > instruction. If you have an Apple Store in your area, you might find out if > the folks there can refer you to someone. Or you can call Apple’s > accessibility number for referrals. I am not saying this because we don’t > want to help you. I’m thinking that it’s sort of like the person who > constantly gets lost and never remembers how the route is corrected, > because each error is different. Not to mention that it’s a fairly steep > learning curve, and it’s always beneficial to have a consistent method of > doing things, especially as a beginner. > > I don’t know where you’re located, but here’s the Apple accessibility > number: > 1-877-204-3930 US only. > > Also, I’m sure there are folks on this list who can give one-on-one > instruction for using the Mac. > > this is just a suggestion. > > HtH, > Teresa > > Slow down; you'll get there faster. > > On Jan 12, 2014, at 11:34 AM, April Brown > > wrote: > > > The reason for turning VoiceOver off is to clear it, so when I open it > back up, it will be back at the beginning, and maybe I can manage to figure > out the steps to opening a web page from the bookmarks. I know it's > incorrect. I haven't found directions anywhere. I just have multiple > lists of commands, and no idea what order to put them in. It's a giant > jigsaw puzzle. I try what you suggest. > > > > Thanks, > > > > April > > . > > > > On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:29:48 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: > > April, > > > > First, you are needlessly making far too much work for yourself all for > nothing. Why do you insist you must turn Voice OVer off every time you get > out of Safari. This is quite frankly, unnecessary. Also, the procedure > you are using to try to open bookmarks is completely incorrect. > > > > First, leave Voice OVer on. DO, NOT, turn it off. > > > > Here’s how to get in to book marks. > > > > 1. Open Safari. > > > > 2. Now, press VO+m to open the menu structure. > > > > 3. Now, press b for book marks. > > > > 4. Now, arrow down in to this menu, and, when ever you hear a book mark > folder you want to get in to, press right arrow to expand it. > > > > Want to edit your book Marks? > > > > Do this. > > > > 1. Open safari. > > > > 2. Press Cmd+Option+b. That gets you in to the edit book marks window. > > > > You should know enough by now to take it from there. > > > > > > Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the > blind built-in! > > > > Sincerely, > > The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! > > > > On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:21 PM, April Brown wrote: > > > >> I opened Safari. > >> I turned VoiceOver on. > >> After a dozen tries, I managed to get it onto the Bookmarks. > >> Somehow, as I was transferring my notes to a Pages document, it > crashed, and a low, low, grumbling male voice started speaking. > >> > >> I turned off VoiceOver, closed Safari, and tried again. > >> > >> Another dozen tries, and I never did get it back on the Bookmarks bar > to an actual bookmark. The one time I did, it wouldn't click on it, it > highlighted and wanted to change it. Huh? > >> > >> So, I closed and turned it all off again. > >> > >> Then, I opened Safari back up. Opened up a web page, and turned > VoiceOver back on. Again it got stuck in the menu, and would not get to > content. At least, unlike in Firefox, I can click on the region I need > read to me, and it will then work. > >> > >> That's my 30 minutes of trying to open a webpage today. > >> > >> Back to writing. > >> > >> And you wonder why I need step by step directions, and not just a > random list. > >> > >> So far, to get it on Safari, I have: > >> Step 1: Open Safari > >> Step 2: Command, F5 to start VoiceOver > >> Step 1: Control, Option, Down arrow from the menu to the bookmarks. > And yet it doesn't quiet work, as it doesn't go the list of bookmarks. It > did once. > >> > >> And where did this creepy male voice come from that keeps interrupting? > I can't comprehend low tones. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to macvisionarie...@googlegroups.com. > >> To post to this group, send email to macvisi...@googlegroups.com. > >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > >> For more options, visit https://
Re: Today's 30 minutes with VoiceOver
Hi April, I think that Teresa is right. I didn't follow this thread from the beginning, but it seems pretty clear that there's a big piece that you're missing. Perhaps if you were able to work one on one with someone, You could more easily get the support you need so that you could avoid experiences like the one you had today Also, and like Teresa I don't mean to be discouraging, but there's nothing that says you have to use a Mac. If it's proving too much for you to learn the Mac, and you're comfortable with Windows, maybe the best thing is for you to stay on a PC. Choosing a computing environment is a highly subjective thing, and if you like Windows better, I can't imagine any reason in the world why you would have to switch to a Mac. Best, Donna On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:57 PM, April Brown wrote: > Hi Donna, I am trying to learn VoiceOver. Not successfully. I still have > some vision, some days. I now have a headache. Thanks to Ray Foret, I can > now open a web page, I just still can't figure out how to get it to read it > without clicking where I need it to go. I have to learn to learn this before > I am completely blind. Or perhaps, it would be better for me to not, and use > a Braille display instead. However, I will likely retain some hearing at > least another five to ten years. I still don't under stand half the words on > these manuals. It's Greek and Chinese mixed. I'm, glad there are people > out there who have someone to show them how, and the order to do things in. > I can't figure it out. And with poor memory, I'll need it written to ever > duplicate it. > > On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:52:42 PM UTC-5, Donna wrote: > April, > > I can't even imagine what approach you're trying to take here, or why you're > taking it. > > In the nearly four years I've been using a Mac, I don't think I've *ever > turned Voiceover off. You don't need to "clear" anything. > Best, > Donna > On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:34 PM, April Brown wrote: > >> The reason for turning VoiceOver off is to clear it, so when I open it back >> up, it will be back at the beginning, and maybe I can manage to figure out >> the steps to opening a web page from the bookmarks. I know it's incorrect. >> I haven't found directions anywhere. I just have multiple lists of >> commands, and no idea what order to put them in. It's a giant jigsaw >> puzzle. I try what you suggest. >> >> Thanks, >> >> April >> . >> >> On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:29:48 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: >> April, >> >> First, you are needlessly making far too much work for yourself all for >> nothing. Why do you insist you must turn Voice OVer off every time you get >> out of Safari. This is quite frankly, unnecessary. Also, the procedure you >> are using to try to open bookmarks is completely incorrect. >> >> First, leave Voice OVer on. DO, NOT, turn it off. >> >> Here’s how to get in to book marks. >> >> 1. Open Safari. >> >> 2. Now, press VO+m to open the menu structure. >> >> 3. Now, press b for book marks. >> >> 4. Now, arrow down in to this menu, and, when ever you hear a book mark >> folder you want to get in to, press right arrow to expand it. >> >> Want to edit your book Marks? >> >> Do this. >> >> 1. Open safari. >> >> 2. Press Cmd+Option+b. That gets you in to the edit book marks window. >> >> You should know enough by now to take it from there. >> >> >> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >> built-in! >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >> >> On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:21 PM, April Brown wrote: >> >>> I opened Safari. >>> I turned VoiceOver on. >>> After a dozen tries, I managed to get it onto the Bookmarks. >>> Somehow, as I was transferring my notes to a Pages document, it crashed, >>> and a low, low, grumbling male voice started speaking. >>> >>> I turned off VoiceOver, closed Safari, and tried again. >>> >>> Another dozen tries, and I never did get it back on the Bookmarks bar to an >>> actual bookmark. The one time I did, it wouldn't click on it, it >>> highlighted and wanted to change it. Huh? >>> >>> So, I closed and turned it all off again. >>> >>> Then, I opened Safari back up. Opened up a web page, and turned VoiceOver >>> back on. Again it got stuck in the menu, and would not get to content. At >>> least, unlike in Firefox, I can click on the region I need read to me, and >>> it will then work. >>> >>> That's my 30 minutes of trying to open a webpage today. >>> >>> Back to writing. >>> >>> And you wonder why I need step by step directions, and not just a random >>> list. >>> >>> So far, to get it on Safari, I have: >>> Step 1: Open Safari >>> Step 2: Command, F5 to start VoiceOver >>> Step 1: Control, Option, Down arrow from the menu to the bookmarks. And >>> yet it doesn't quiet work, as it doesn't go the list of bookmarks. It did >>> once. >
Re: Today's 30 minutes with VoiceOver
Hi Donna, I definitely need someone who can help me, and give a list. I do like the Mac much better, except for the tinier fonts thing. I never could figure out how to use even NVDA on Windows either. I had to increase fonts again today on Firefox and Pages. Almost too big to read in the 32 inch tv screen, so I don't have much time left to learn it. Maybe a few months. If I ever figure it out, I will have a user friendly training manual for me, and others, to refer to. On Sunday, January 12, 2014 3:03:23 PM UTC-5, Donna wrote: > > Hi April, > > I think that Teresa is right. I didn't follow this thread from the > beginning, but it seems pretty clear that there's a big piece that you're > missing. Perhaps if you were able to work one on one with someone, You > could more easily get the support you need so that you could avoid > experiences like the one you had today > > Also, and like Teresa I don't mean to be discouraging, but there's nothing > that says you have to use a Mac. If it's proving too much for you to learn > the Mac, and you're comfortable with Windows, maybe the best thing is for > you to stay on a PC. Choosing a computing environment is a highly > subjective thing, and if you like Windows better, I can't imagine any > reason in the world why you would have to switch to a Mac. > Best, > Donna > On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:57 PM, April Brown > > wrote: > > Hi Donna, I am trying to learn VoiceOver. Not successfully. I still have > some vision, some days. I now have a headache. Thanks to Ray Foret, I can > now open a web page, I just still can't figure out how to get it to read it > without clicking where I need it to go. I have to learn to learn this > before I am completely blind. Or perhaps, it would be better for me to > not, and use a Braille display instead. However, I will likely retain some > hearing at least another five to ten years. I still don't under stand half > the words on these manuals. It's Greek and Chinese mixed. I'm, glad > there are people out there who have someone to show them how, and the order > to do things in. I can't figure it out. And with poor memory, I'll need > it written to ever duplicate it. > > On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:52:42 PM UTC-5, Donna wrote: >> >> April, >> >> I can't even imagine what approach you're trying to take here, or why >> you're taking it. >> >> In the nearly four years I've been using a Mac, I don't think I've *ever >> turned Voiceover off. You don't need to "clear" anything. >> Best, >> Donna >> On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:34 PM, April Brown wrote: >> >> The reason for turning VoiceOver off is to clear it, so when I open it >> back up, it will be back at the beginning, and maybe I can manage to figure >> out the steps to opening a web page from the bookmarks. I know it's >> incorrect. I haven't found directions anywhere. I just have multiple >> lists of commands, and no idea what order to put them in. It's a giant >> jigsaw puzzle. I try what you suggest. >> >> Thanks, >> >> April >> . >> >> On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:29:48 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: >>> >>> April, >>> >>> First, you are needlessly making far too much work for yourself all for >>> nothing. Why do you insist you must turn Voice OVer off every time you get >>> out of Safari. This is quite frankly, unnecessary. Also, the procedure >>> you are using to try to open bookmarks is completely incorrect. >>> >>> First, leave Voice OVer on. DO, NOT, turn it off. >>> >>> Here’s how to get in to book marks. >>> >>> 1. Open Safari. >>> >>> 2. Now, press VO+m to open the menu structure. >>> >>> 3. Now, press b for book marks. >>> >>> 4. Now, arrow down in to this menu, and, when ever you hear a book mark >>> folder you want to get in to, press right arrow to expand it. >>> >>> Want to edit your book Marks? >>> >>> Do this. >>> >>> 1. Open safari. >>> >>> 2. Press Cmd+Option+b. That gets you in to the edit book marks window. >>> >>> You should know enough by now to take it from there. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the >>> blind built-in! >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >>> >>> On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:21 PM, April Brown wrote: >>> >>> I opened Safari. >>> I turned VoiceOver on. >>> After a dozen tries, I managed to get it onto the Bookmarks. >>> Somehow, as I was transferring my notes to a Pages document, it crashed, >>> and a low, low, grumbling male voice started speaking. >>> >>> I turned off VoiceOver, closed Safari, and tried again. >>> >>> Another dozen tries, and I never did get it back on the Bookmarks bar to >>> an actual bookmark. The one time I did, it wouldn't click on it, it >>> highlighted and wanted to change it. Huh? >>> >>> So, I closed and turned it all off again. >>> >>> Then, I opened Safari back up. Opened up a web page, and turned >>> VoiceOver back on. Again it got
Re: Today's 30 minutes with VoiceOver
But April, by turning Voice OVer on and off, you are not doing what you think you are doing. There is no starting at the beginning with Voice Over. Just leave it on. How else do you expect to learn it? For more, I’d go to: www.applevis.com and also, www.icanworkthisthing.com YOu simply must learn to develope confidence with the system: and, framkly, beeing spoonfed everything all the time is a lousey way to do that. Don’t try to learn everything at once because it ain’t gonna happen. Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in! Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:34 PM, April Brown wrote: > The reason for turning VoiceOver off is to clear it, so when I open it back > up, it will be back at the beginning, and maybe I can manage to figure out > the steps to opening a web page from the bookmarks. I know it's incorrect. > I haven't found directions anywhere. I just have multiple lists of commands, > and no idea what order to put them in. It's a giant jigsaw puzzle. I try > what you suggest. > > Thanks, > > April > . > > On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:29:48 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: > April, > > First, you are needlessly making far too much work for yourself all for > nothing. Why do you insist you must turn Voice OVer off every time you get > out of Safari. This is quite frankly, unnecessary. Also, the procedure you > are using to try to open bookmarks is completely incorrect. > > First, leave Voice OVer on. DO, NOT, turn it off. > > Here’s how to get in to book marks. > > 1. Open Safari. > > 2. Now, press VO+m to open the menu structure. > > 3. Now, press b for book marks. > > 4. Now, arrow down in to this menu, and, when ever you hear a book mark > folder you want to get in to, press right arrow to expand it. > > Want to edit your book Marks? > > Do this. > > 1. Open safari. > > 2. Press Cmd+Option+b. That gets you in to the edit book marks window. > > You should know enough by now to take it from there. > > > Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind > built-in! > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! > > On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:21 PM, April Brown wrote: > >> I opened Safari. >> I turned VoiceOver on. >> After a dozen tries, I managed to get it onto the Bookmarks. >> Somehow, as I was transferring my notes to a Pages document, it crashed, and >> a low, low, grumbling male voice started speaking. >> >> I turned off VoiceOver, closed Safari, and tried again. >> >> Another dozen tries, and I never did get it back on the Bookmarks bar to an >> actual bookmark. The one time I did, it wouldn't click on it, it >> highlighted and wanted to change it. Huh? >> >> So, I closed and turned it all off again. >> >> Then, I opened Safari back up. Opened up a web page, and turned VoiceOver >> back on. Again it got stuck in the menu, and would not get to content. At >> least, unlike in Firefox, I can click on the region I need read to me, and >> it will then work. >> >> That's my 30 minutes of trying to open a webpage today. >> >> Back to writing. >> >> And you wonder why I need step by step directions, and not just a random >> list. >> >> So far, to get it on Safari, I have: >> Step 1: Open Safari >> Step 2: Command, F5 to start VoiceOver >> Step 1: Control, Option, Down arrow from the menu to the bookmarks. And yet >> it doesn't quiet work, as it doesn't go the list of bookmarks. It did once. >> >> And where did this creepy male voice come from that keeps interrupting? I >> can't comprehend low tones. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionarie...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisi...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group
Re: Today's 30 minutes with VoiceOver
By turning it off, and then re-opening everything, I restart at the beginning, instead of stuck in a toolbar that I don't how to get out of. I have to know where it will start each time, so I can make notes, and be able to use it the next time. Perhaps tomorrow, my husband can listen to the hard rock music if I call the Apple number, and maybe they'll have someone who at least knows how to get out of the menu bar. The last couple of people I spoke to, didn't know how to turn it on, much less use it. I don't want to leave it on all the time, it beeps constantly, especially if typing in a Pages document. That day may come. For now, 30 minutes of "training" a day is plenty. On Sunday, January 12, 2014 3:16:59 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: > > But April, by turning Voice OVer on and off, you are not doing what you > think you are doing. There is no starting at the beginning with Voice > Over. Just leave it on. How else do you expect to learn it? > > For more, I’d go to: > www.applevis.com > and also, > www.icanworkthisthing.com > > YOu simply must learn to develope confidence with the system: and, > framkly, beeing spoonfed everything all the time is a lousey way to do > that. Don’t try to learn everything at once because it ain’t gonna happen. > > Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind > built-in! > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! > > On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:34 PM, April Brown > > wrote: > > The reason for turning VoiceOver off is to clear it, so when I open it > back up, it will be back at the beginning, and maybe I can manage to figure > out the steps to opening a web page from the bookmarks. I know it's > incorrect. I haven't found directions anywhere. I just have multiple > lists of commands, and no idea what order to put them in. It's a giant > jigsaw puzzle. I try what you suggest. > > Thanks, > > April > . > > On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:29:48 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: >> >> April, >> >> First, you are needlessly making far too much work for yourself all for >> nothing. Why do you insist you must turn Voice OVer off every time you get >> out of Safari. This is quite frankly, unnecessary. Also, the procedure >> you are using to try to open bookmarks is completely incorrect. >> >> First, leave Voice OVer on. DO, NOT, turn it off. >> >> Here’s how to get in to book marks. >> >> 1. Open Safari. >> >> 2. Now, press VO+m to open the menu structure. >> >> 3. Now, press b for book marks. >> >> 4. Now, arrow down in to this menu, and, when ever you hear a book mark >> folder you want to get in to, press right arrow to expand it. >> >> Want to edit your book Marks? >> >> Do this. >> >> 1. Open safari. >> >> 2. Press Cmd+Option+b. That gets you in to the edit book marks window. >> >> You should know enough by now to take it from there. >> >> >> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >> built-in! >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >> >> On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:21 PM, April Brown wrote: >> >> I opened Safari. >> I turned VoiceOver on. >> After a dozen tries, I managed to get it onto the Bookmarks. >> Somehow, as I was transferring my notes to a Pages document, it crashed, >> and a low, low, grumbling male voice started speaking. >> >> I turned off VoiceOver, closed Safari, and tried again. >> >> Another dozen tries, and I never did get it back on the Bookmarks bar to >> an actual bookmark. The one time I did, it wouldn't click on it, it >> highlighted and wanted to change it. Huh? >> >> So, I closed and turned it all off again. >> >> Then, I opened Safari back up. Opened up a web page, and turned >> VoiceOver back on. Again it got stuck in the menu, and would not get to >> content. At least, unlike in Firefox, I can click on the region I need >> read to me, and it will then work. >> >> That's my 30 minutes of trying to open a webpage today. >> >> Back to writing. >> >> And you wonder why I need step by step directions, and not just a random >> list. >> >> So far, to get it on Safari, I have: >> Step 1: Open Safari >> Step 2: Command, F5 to start VoiceOver >> Step 1: Control, Option, Down arrow from the menu to the bookmarks. And >> yet it doesn't quiet work, as it doesn't go the list of bookmarks. It did >> once. >> >> And where did this creepy male voice come from that keeps interrupting? >> I can't comprehend low tones. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionarie...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisi...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/gro
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Hey Richard. Sounds like you may have to reformat your computer. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 12, 2014, at 14:44, Richard Ring wrote: > > I restarted my Mac in order to repair permissions. I could not do this, as > the button was dimmed. I then tried to repair the disk. I was informed that > “lion file system repair was not supported.” Is there a remedy for this? > > > You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding > Sent from my Mac Book Pro > richr...@gmail.com > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Today's 30 minutes with VoiceOver
What do you mean it beeps. I leave my Mac on with Voiceover running all the time, and it never beeps. The only sound I can think of that you might be hearing is the ding signifying that you got a new email. If that bothers you, then just close the email program, or disable the new mail sound. Donna On Jan 12, 2014, at 2:22 PM, April Brown wrote: > By turning it off, and then re-opening everything, I restart at the > beginning, instead of stuck in a toolbar that I don't how to get out of. I > have to know where it will start each time, so I can make notes, and be able > to use it the next time. > > Perhaps tomorrow, my husband can listen to the hard rock music if I call the > Apple number, and maybe they'll have someone who at least knows how to get > out of the menu bar. The last couple of people I spoke to, didn't know how > to turn it on, much less use it. > > I don't want to leave it on all the time, it beeps constantly, especially if > typing in a Pages document. That day may come. For now, 30 minutes of > "training" a day is plenty. > > On Sunday, January 12, 2014 3:16:59 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: > But April, by turning Voice OVer on and off, you are not doing what you think > you are doing. There is no starting at the beginning with Voice Over. Just > leave it on. How else do you expect to learn it? > > For more, I’d go to: > www.applevis.com > and also, > www.icanworkthisthing.com > > YOu simply must learn to develope confidence with the system: and, framkly, > beeing spoonfed everything all the time is a lousey way to do that. Don’t > try to learn everything at once because it ain’t gonna happen. > Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind > built-in! > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! > > On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:34 PM, April Brown wrote: > >> The reason for turning VoiceOver off is to clear it, so when I open it back >> up, it will be back at the beginning, and maybe I can manage to figure out >> the steps to opening a web page from the bookmarks. I know it's incorrect. >> I haven't found directions anywhere. I just have multiple lists of >> commands, and no idea what order to put them in. It's a giant jigsaw >> puzzle. I try what you suggest. >> >> Thanks, >> >> April >> . >> >> On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:29:48 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: >> April, >> >> First, you are needlessly making far too much work for yourself all for >> nothing. Why do you insist you must turn Voice OVer off every time you get >> out of Safari. This is quite frankly, unnecessary. Also, the procedure you >> are using to try to open bookmarks is completely incorrect. >> >> First, leave Voice OVer on. DO, NOT, turn it off. >> >> Here’s how to get in to book marks. >> >> 1. Open Safari. >> >> 2. Now, press VO+m to open the menu structure. >> >> 3. Now, press b for book marks. >> >> 4. Now, arrow down in to this menu, and, when ever you hear a book mark >> folder you want to get in to, press right arrow to expand it. >> >> Want to edit your book Marks? >> >> Do this. >> >> 1. Open safari. >> >> 2. Press Cmd+Option+b. That gets you in to the edit book marks window. >> >> You should know enough by now to take it from there. >> >> >> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >> built-in! >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >> >> On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:21 PM, April Brown wrote: >> >>> I opened Safari. >>> I turned VoiceOver on. >>> After a dozen tries, I managed to get it onto the Bookmarks. >>> Somehow, as I was transferring my notes to a Pages document, it crashed, >>> and a low, low, grumbling male voice started speaking. >>> >>> I turned off VoiceOver, closed Safari, and tried again. >>> >>> Another dozen tries, and I never did get it back on the Bookmarks bar to an >>> actual bookmark. The one time I did, it wouldn't click on it, it >>> highlighted and wanted to change it. Huh? >>> >>> So, I closed and turned it all off again. >>> >>> Then, I opened Safari back up. Opened up a web page, and turned VoiceOver >>> back on. Again it got stuck in the menu, and would not get to content. At >>> least, unlike in Firefox, I can click on the region I need read to me, and >>> it will then work. >>> >>> That's my 30 minutes of trying to open a webpage today. >>> >>> Back to writing. >>> >>> And you wonder why I need step by step directions, and not just a random >>> list. >>> >>> So far, to get it on Safari, I have: >>> Step 1: Open Safari >>> Step 2: Command, F5 to start VoiceOver >>> Step 1: Control, Option, Down arrow from the menu to the bookmarks. And >>> yet it doesn't quiet work, as it doesn't go the list of bookmarks. It did >>> once. >>> >>> And where did this creepy male voice come from that keeps interrupting? I >>> can't compre
Re: Today's 30 minutes with VoiceOver
April, best command I have learned myself at this point is command Q to close everything and command W to close windows. A few days ago I believe Sarai sent an article from Mac World. If it did anything for me, it made the layout of the screen much more understandable. I even learned what Time Machine was, though still don't know how to use. I could resend if you like. I think perhaps you are trying to do too much all at once. Maybe you should focus on mail and get used to getting into it and reading and writing email until you are comfortable. You may even want to tackle only starting the machine and getting on the desktop which has another name I forgot. Don't try to learn all commands at once. Pick something and become really reliable with it. What I am learning is that a lot of times the commands will be the same in different places and apps. By the way, I wear hearing aids and have had to tweak my voices to find something I can understand. I also don't have a very good memory so little chunks of info is all I can handle until cemented into long term memory. I thought the Mac was very different from iPhone, but I am finding there is a lot of similarity too. I know you can do this. I just will not let it defeat me. Took me a long time to learn Windows so it will take a while to change operating systems. However, we can do this! reggie and Allegra On Jan 12, 2014, at 2:57 PM, April Brown wrote: Hi Donna, I am trying to learn VoiceOver. Not successfully. I still have some vision, some days. I now have a headache. Thanks to Ray Foret, I can now open a web page, I just still can't figure out how to get it to read it without clicking where I need it to go. I have to learn to learn this before I am completely blind. Or perhaps, it would be better for me to not, and use a Braille display instead. However, I will likely retain some hearing at least another five to ten years. I still don't under stand half the words on these manuals. It's Greek and Chinese mixed. I'm, glad there are people out there who have someone to show them how, and the order to do things in. I can't figure it out. And with poor memory, I'll need it written to ever duplicate it. > On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:52:42 PM UTC-5, Donna wrote: > April, > > I can't even imagine what approach you're trying to take here, or why you're > taking it. > > In the nearly four years I've been using a Mac, I don't think I've *ever > turned Voiceover off. You don't need to "clear" anything. > Best, > Donna >> On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:34 PM, April Brown wrote: >> >> The reason for turning VoiceOver off is to clear it, so when I open it back >> up, it will be back at the beginning, and maybe I can manage to figure out >> the steps to opening a web page from the bookmarks. I know it's incorrect. >> I haven't found directions anywhere. I just have multiple lists of >> commands, and no idea what order to put them in. It's a giant jigsaw >> puzzle. I try what you suggest. >> >> Thanks, >> >> April >> . >> >>> On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:29:48 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: >>> April, >>> >>> First, you are needlessly making far too much work for yourself all for >>> nothing. Why do you insist you must turn Voice OVer off every time you get >>> out of Safari. This is quite frankly, unnecessary. Also, the procedure >>> you are using to try to open bookmarks is completely incorrect. >>> >>> First, leave Voice OVer on. DO, NOT, turn it off. >>> >>> Here’s how to get in to book marks. >>> >>> 1. Open Safari. >>> >>> 2. Now, press VO+m to open the menu structure. >>> >>> 3. Now, press b for book marks. >>> >>> 4. Now, arrow down in to this menu, and, when ever you hear a book mark >>> folder you want to get in to, press right arrow to expand it. >>> >>> Want to edit your book Marks? >>> >>> Do this. >>> >>> 1. Open safari. >>> >>> 2. Press Cmd+Option+b. That gets you in to the edit book marks window. >>> >>> You should know enough by now to take it from there. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >>> built-in! >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >>> On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:21 PM, April Brown wrote: I opened Safari. I turned VoiceOver on. After a dozen tries, I managed to get it onto the Bookmarks. Somehow, as I was transferring my notes to a Pages document, it crashed, and a low, low, grumbling male voice started speaking. I turned off VoiceOver, closed Safari, and tried again. Another dozen tries, and I never did get it back on the Bookmarks bar to an actual bookmark. The one time I did, it wouldn't click on it, it highlighted and wanted to change it. Huh? So, I closed and turned it all off again. Then, I opened Safari back up. Opened up a web page, and turned VoiceOver
Re: Today's 30 minutes with VoiceOver
Hi Donna, It beeps if I hit an invalid command. Which appears to be about every combination I try on that list of common commands. It beeps and does nothing because it won't use that command there. On Sunday, January 12, 2014 3:26:10 PM UTC-5, Donna wrote: > > What do you mean it beeps. I leave my Mac on with Voiceover running all > the time, and it never beeps. The only sound I can think of that you might > be hearing is the ding signifying that you got a new email. If that > bothers you, then just close the email program, or disable the new mail > sound. > Donna > On Jan 12, 2014, at 2:22 PM, April Brown > > wrote: > > By turning it off, and then re-opening everything, I restart at the > beginning, instead of stuck in a toolbar that I don't how to get out of. I > have to know where it will start each time, so I can make notes, and be > able to use it the next time. > > Perhaps tomorrow, my husband can listen to the hard rock music if I call > the Apple number, and maybe they'll have someone who at least knows how to > get out of the menu bar. The last couple of people I spoke to, didn't > know how to turn it on, much less use it. > > I don't want to leave it on all the time, it beeps constantly, especially > if typing in a Pages document. That day may come. For now, 30 minutes of > "training" a day is plenty. > > On Sunday, January 12, 2014 3:16:59 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: >> >> But April, by turning Voice OVer on and off, you are not doing what you >> think you are doing. There is no starting at the beginning with Voice >> Over. Just leave it on. How else do you expect to learn it? >> >> For more, I’d go to: >> www.applevis.com >> and also, >> www.icanworkthisthing.com >> >> YOu simply must learn to develope confidence with the system: and, >> framkly, beeing spoonfed everything all the time is a lousey way to do >> that. Don’t try to learn everything at once because it ain’t gonna happen. >> >> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >> built-in! >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >> >> On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:34 PM, April Brown wrote: >> >> The reason for turning VoiceOver off is to clear it, so when I open it >> back up, it will be back at the beginning, and maybe I can manage to figure >> out the steps to opening a web page from the bookmarks. I know it's >> incorrect. I haven't found directions anywhere. I just have multiple >> lists of commands, and no idea what order to put them in. It's a giant >> jigsaw puzzle. I try what you suggest. >> >> Thanks, >> >> April >> . >> >> On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:29:48 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: >>> >>> April, >>> >>> First, you are needlessly making far too much work for yourself all for >>> nothing. Why do you insist you must turn Voice OVer off every time you get >>> out of Safari. This is quite frankly, unnecessary. Also, the procedure >>> you are using to try to open bookmarks is completely incorrect. >>> >>> First, leave Voice OVer on. DO, NOT, turn it off. >>> >>> Here’s how to get in to book marks. >>> >>> 1. Open Safari. >>> >>> 2. Now, press VO+m to open the menu structure. >>> >>> 3. Now, press b for book marks. >>> >>> 4. Now, arrow down in to this menu, and, when ever you hear a book mark >>> folder you want to get in to, press right arrow to expand it. >>> >>> Want to edit your book Marks? >>> >>> Do this. >>> >>> 1. Open safari. >>> >>> 2. Press Cmd+Option+b. That gets you in to the edit book marks window. >>> >>> You should know enough by now to take it from there. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the >>> blind built-in! >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >>> >>> On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:21 PM, April Brown wrote: >>> >>> I opened Safari. >>> I turned VoiceOver on. >>> After a dozen tries, I managed to get it onto the Bookmarks. >>> Somehow, as I was transferring my notes to a Pages document, it crashed, >>> and a low, low, grumbling male voice started speaking. >>> >>> I turned off VoiceOver, closed Safari, and tried again. >>> >>> Another dozen tries, and I never did get it back on the Bookmarks bar to >>> an actual bookmark. The one time I did, it wouldn't click on it, it >>> highlighted and wanted to change it. Huh? >>> >>> So, I closed and turned it all off again. >>> >>> Then, I opened Safari back up. Opened up a web page, and turned >>> VoiceOver back on. Again it got stuck in the menu, and would not get to >>> content. At least, unlike in Firefox, I can click on the region I need >>> read to me, and it will then work. >>> >>> That's my 30 minutes of trying to open a webpage today. >>> >>> Back to writing. >>> >>> And you wonder why I need step by step directions, and not just a random >>> list. >>> >>> So far, to get it on Safari, I have: >>> Step 1:
Re: Today's 30 minutes with VoiceOver
Hi Regina, I thought about just trying to learn to use it in Mail. However, when I need it most right now, is the late afternoon, When I want to relax, the screen is too blurry to see, and some nice Internet surfing would be a good way to relax for twenty minutes. While learning something new I will need full time before long. I feel like someone took a 2,000 piece jigsaw puzzle, took out all the corners,edges, and half the remaining pieces, and handed it to me to guess how the rest goes together I've even tried to find a list that just focuses on web commands. And they are so full of terms I have no clue what they are, that it's probably useless to me without a definition sheet. How can I guess what the command is for if it's name, and description is something unintelligible to me? I'm off to eat dinner and close my eye. Good night, and I'll try again tomorrow. Another way, perhaps. On Sunday, January 12, 2014 3:39:38 PM UTC-5, regina alvarado wrote: > > April, best command I have learned myself at this point is command Q to > close everything and command W to close windows. A few days ago I believe > Sarai sent an article from Mac World. If it did anything for me, it made > the layout of the screen much more understandable. I even learned what Time > Machine was, though still don't know how to use. I could resend if you > like. I think perhaps you are trying to do too much all at once. Maybe you > should focus on mail and get used to getting into it and reading and > writing email until you are comfortable. You may even want to tackle only > starting the machine and getting on the desktop which has another name I > forgot. Don't try to learn all commands at once. Pick something and become > really reliable with it. What I am learning is that a lot of times the > commands will be the same in different places and apps. By the way, I wear > hearing aids and have had to tweak my voices to find something I can > understand. I also don't have a very good memory so little chunks of info > is all I can handle until cemented into long term memory. I thought the Mac > was very different from iPhone, but I am finding there is a lot of > similarity too. I know you can do this. I just will not let it defeat me. > Took me a long time to learn Windows so it will take a while to change > operating systems. However, we can do this! > > > reggie and Allegra > > On Jan 12, 2014, at 2:57 PM, April Brown > > wrote: > > Hi Donna, I am trying to learn VoiceOver. Not successfully. I still have > some vision, some days. I now have a headache. Thanks to Ray Foret, I can > now open a web page, I just still can't figure out how to get it to read it > without clicking where I need it to go. I have to learn to learn this > before I am completely blind. Or perhaps, it would be better for me to > not, and use a Braille display instead. However, I will likely retain some > hearing at least another five to ten years. I still don't under stand half > the words on these manuals. It's Greek and Chinese mixed. I'm, glad > there are people out there who have someone to show them how, and the order > to do things in. I can't figure it out. And with poor memory, I'll need > it written to ever duplicate it. > > On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:52:42 PM UTC-5, Donna wrote: >> >> April, >> >> I can't even imagine what approach you're trying to take here, or why >> you're taking it. >> >> In the nearly four years I've been using a Mac, I don't think I've *ever >> turned Voiceover off. You don't need to "clear" anything. >> Best, >> Donna >> On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:34 PM, April Brown wrote: >> >> The reason for turning VoiceOver off is to clear it, so when I open it >> back up, it will be back at the beginning, and maybe I can manage to figure >> out the steps to opening a web page from the bookmarks. I know it's >> incorrect. I haven't found directions anywhere. I just have multiple >> lists of commands, and no idea what order to put them in. It's a giant >> jigsaw puzzle. I try what you suggest. >> >> Thanks, >> >> April >> . >> >> On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:29:48 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: >>> >>> April, >>> >>> First, you are needlessly making far too much work for yourself all for >>> nothing. Why do you insist you must turn Voice OVer off every time you get >>> out of Safari. This is quite frankly, unnecessary. Also, the procedure >>> you are using to try to open bookmarks is completely incorrect. >>> >>> First, leave Voice OVer on. DO, NOT, turn it off. >>> >>> Here’s how to get in to book marks. >>> >>> 1. Open Safari. >>> >>> 2. Now, press VO+m to open the menu structure. >>> >>> 3. Now, press b for book marks. >>> >>> 4. Now, arrow down in to this menu, and, when ever you hear a book mark >>> folder you want to get in to, press right arrow to expand it. >>> >>> Want to edit your book Marks? >>> >>> Do this. >>> >>> 1. Open safari. >>> >>
Re: Today's 30 minutes with VoiceOver
Hello. I have sent you an email off list regarding your mac. Thanks. Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.com On Jan 12, 2014, at 3:58 PM, April Brown wrote: > Hi Regina, > > I thought about just trying to learn to use it in Mail. However, when > I need it most right now, is the late afternoon, When I want to relax, the > screen is too blurry to see, and some nice Internet surfing would be a good > way to relax for twenty minutes. While learning something new I will need > full time before long. > > I feel like someone took a 2,000 piece jigsaw puzzle, took out all the > corners,edges, and half the remaining pieces, and handed it to me to guess > how the rest goes together > > I've even tried to find a list that just focuses on web commands. And they > are so full of terms I have no clue what they are, that it's probably useless > to me without a definition sheet. How can I guess what the command is for > if it's name, and description is something unintelligible to me? > > I'm off to eat dinner and close my eye. > > Good night, and I'll try again tomorrow. Another way, perhaps. > > On Sunday, January 12, 2014 3:39:38 PM UTC-5, regina alvarado wrote: > April, best command I have learned myself at this point is command Q to close > everything and command W to close windows. A few days ago I believe Sarai > sent an article from Mac World. If it did anything for me, it made the layout > of the screen much more understandable. I even learned what Time Machine was, > though still don't know how to use. I could resend if you like. I think > perhaps you are trying to do too much all at once. Maybe you should focus on > mail and get used to getting into it and reading and writing email until you > are comfortable. You may even want to tackle only starting the machine and > getting on the desktop which has another name I forgot. Don't try to learn > all commands at once. Pick something and become really reliable with it. What > I am learning is that a lot of times the commands will be the same in > different places and apps. By the way, I wear hearing aids and have had to > tweak my voices to find something I can understand. I also don't have a very > good memory so little chunks of info is all I can handle until cemented into > long term memory. I thought the Mac was very different from iPhone, but I am > finding there is a lot of similarity too. I know you can do this. I just will > not let it defeat me. Took me a long time to learn Windows so it will take a > while to change operating systems. However, we can do this! > > > reggie and Allegra > > On Jan 12, 2014, at 2:57 PM, April Brown wrote: > > Hi Donna, I am trying to learn VoiceOver. Not successfully. I still have > some vision, some days. I now have a headache. Thanks to Ray Foret, I can > now open a web page, I just still can't figure out how to get it to read it > without clicking where I need it to go. I have to learn to learn this before > I am completely blind. Or perhaps, it would be better for me to not, and use > a Braille display instead. However, I will likely retain some hearing at > least another five to ten years. I still don't under stand half the words on > these manuals. It's Greek and Chinese mixed. I'm, glad there are people > out there who have someone to show them how, and the order to do things in. > I can't figure it out. And with poor memory, I'll need it written to ever > duplicate it. > > On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:52:42 PM UTC-5, Donna wrote: > April, > > I can't even imagine what approach you're trying to take here, or why you're > taking it. > > In the nearly four years I've been using a Mac, I don't think I've *ever > turned Voiceover off. You don't need to "clear" anything. > Best, > Donna > On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:34 PM, April Brown wrote: > >> The reason for turning VoiceOver off is to clear it, so when I open it back >> up, it will be back at the beginning, and maybe I can manage to figure out >> the steps to opening a web page from the bookmarks. I know it's incorrect. >> I haven't found directions anywhere. I just have multiple lists of >> commands, and no idea what order to put them in. It's a giant jigsaw >> puzzle. I try what you suggest. >> >> Thanks, >> >> April >> . >> >> On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:29:48 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: >> April, >> >> First, you are needlessly making far too much work for yourself all for >> nothing. Why do you insist you must turn Voice OVer off every time you get >> out of Safari. This is quite frankly, unnecessary. Also, the procedure you >> are using to try to open bookmarks is completely incorrect. >> >> First, leave Voice OVer on. DO, NOT, turn it off. >> >> Here’s how to get in to book marks. >> >> 1. Open Safari. >> >> 2. Now, press VO+m to open the menu structure. >> >> 3. Now, press b for book marks. >> >> 4. Now, arrow down in to this menu, and, when
webpage question and a Mini question
My question of the day. Last night I was able to get on Netflix. I ask for it by command L. I was even able to find a program to watch. I did something with my remote, however, and the TV stopped talking again. This morning I played around and found my earphones from iPhone will work so I can hear VO. My question is, once in a webpage, how can I get back to the top of the page to start going through the links again? Also, where is the volume for the whole Mini, see all the voice settings for different voices but not a central volume. Thanks much in advance for the help. A grateful new Mini user reggie and Allegra -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: webpage question and a Mini question
Hi.\Do you want a volume control for the whole mini itself? If so, you can hit f11 or f12 to turn the volume up or down respectively. Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.com On Jan 12, 2014, at 4:01 PM, Regina Alvarado wrote: > My question of the day. Last night I was able to get on Netflix. I ask for it > by command L. I was even able to find a program to watch. I did something > with my remote, however, and the TV stopped talking again. This morning I > played around and found my earphones from iPhone will work so I can hear VO. > My question is, once in a webpage, how can I get back to the top of the page > to start going through the links again? Also, where is the volume for the > whole Mini, see all the voice settings for different voices but not a central > volume. Thanks much in advance for the help. > A grateful new Mini user > > > > reggie and Allegra > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Installing Google Chrome on Mavericks
Hi, Chrome is an app copy, not an installer package. Use cmd-c to copy and cmd-option-v to Move the .dmg file that you put into your Applications folder onto your Desktop. Once it is on your Desktop, use cmd-o to open the disk image. From within the disk image window, navigate to the Google Chrome application and copy it with cmd-c Press cmd-shift-a to open your Applications folder and cmd-v to Paste it into there. You cannot use the cmd-option-v command here as the disk image is read only thus you're unable to move it out of the disk image. Once the copy is complete, close any windows, eject the disk image, Trash the .dmg file and you should be able to use Chrome from your Applications folder and/or use cmd-ctrl-shift-t to move it to the Dock so it can be opened from there. HTH. Later... On Jan 11, 2014, at 2:05 PM, Lee Jones wrote: > Dear David I did command O which seemed to open the disc image but then > tried command O again to see if it was an installer it asked me if I wanted > to open it and I said yes but then nothing happened it said chrome has no > windows and it wouldn’t react to any keystrokes. When you say open the > installer and run it, is opening it running it,or is there a separate > keystroke to run the software? Then I tried opening the disk image and > copying a thing called google chrome and it wouldn’t let me it just made a > noise. I found something called google application and tried copying that > but it wouldn’t let me do that either, it seemed to be a text element. How > do you know whether it is an installer or an application? > > Many Thanks Lee > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Taylor > Sent: 11 January 2014 19:55 > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Installing Google Chrome on Mavericks > > Hi, press command-o to open the disk image. I can’t remember if it’s an > installer or an app inside, if an app, copy that to your apps folder, if an > installer, hit command-o again and run it. Then close the disk image, eject > it and delete it. Many apps are packaged inside disk images rather than sent > just as .app files. > > Cheers > Dave > > On 11 Jan 2014, at 07:19 pm, Lee Jones wrote: > > > Dear List I downloaded chrome for mac and copied the disk image into the > applications folder as previously advised. It is there in the applications > folder with all the other aps but it is identified as a disk image, while all > the others around it are identified as applications. It is not available in > Launchpad , and pressing enter on it in the applications list doesn’t work. > Any Advice would be gratefully received. > > Kind Regards, Lee > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: webpage question and a Mini question
To adjust voices or volume or pitch on the fly. Hold down three keys at the left of your keyboard.It is cmd, options, ctrl, once all three are held down, then use the left or right arrow to choose you want. Once you get what you want, use the up or down arrow to adjust. Daniel Hawkins - Posted from my Macbook Pro 2012 15in. Macbook Pro 2.3 Quad-core i7 4GB DDR3 500GB HDD Dual Boot: Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit On Jan 12, 2014, at 3:01 PM, Regina Alvarado wrote: > My question of the day. Last night I was able to get on Netflix. I ask for it > by command L. I was even able to find a program to watch. I did something > with my remote, however, and the TV stopped talking again. This morning I > played around and found my earphones from iPhone will work so I can hear VO. > My question is, once in a webpage, how can I get back to the top of the page > to start going through the links again? Also, where is the volume for the > whole Mini, see all the voice settings for different voices but not a central > volume. Thanks much in advance for the help. > A grateful new Mini user > > > > reggie and Allegra > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Has anyone tried WriteToGo Pocket on their iDevice?
The free Pages, Numbers, and Keynote only applies to those that bought a new iDevice after August. Daniel Hawkins - Posted from my Macbook Pro 2012 15in. Macbook Pro 2.3 Quad-core i7 4GB DDR3 500GB HDD Dual Boot: Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:32 PM, Eric Caron wrote: > Mike, > > I'm pretty sure Pages on the iphone with iOS 7 is now free. Check it > in the app store. I purchased it a long time ago so not sure exactly how to > see if it still has a cost. > > Eric Caron > > > On Jan 12, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Mike Busboom wrote: > >> Hello Daniel, >> >> I now have Access Note and will try it out. Since I have a DropBox account, >> this should work out. I note that there seems to be good documentation that >> comes along with the App, and that is never bad. >> >> Thanks for the tips. >> >> Mike >> >> On 12,Jan,2014, at 3:08 PM, Daniel Hawkins >> wrote: >> >>> You can use Apple’s Pages. It is $9.99 and it is fully accessible and can >>> sync with the Pages on your Mac. >>> >>> Also a free one that is accessible is QuickOffice, it is a MS Office editor >>> and can sync with Google Drive. >>> >>> I heard Access Note is a must have for VO users and also try Evernote too. >>> >>> Enjoy! >>> Daniel Hawkins >>> - Posted from my Macbook Pro >>> >>> 2012 15in. Macbook Pro >>> 2.3 Quad-core i7 >>> 4GB DDR3 >>> 500GB HDD >>> >>> Dual Boot: >>> Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit >>> >>> On Jan 12, 2014, at 3:04 AM, Mike Busboom wrote: >>> Hello everyone, After listening to David Woodbridge's podcast on bluetooth keyboards with the iPhone, I went out and bought a bluetooth keyboard from the Apple Store. I love it and only wish that I had purchased one earlier on. Now, I am trying to determine which text editor might be a good fit for the iPhone 4S and the keyboard. I ran across a text editor called WriteToGo Pocket, which is supposed to work with iDevices running iOS7 and higher. I was wondering whether or not anyone had tried out this editor and how well it worked with VoiceOver. If anyone could recommend another text editor as an alternative that works well with the aforementioned equipment and VO, I'd be grateful. Thanks in advance, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Today's 30 minutes with VoiceOver
Hi April, As others have mentioned, I believe that you're approaching this from a more difficult prospective than necessary. When you turn off VoiceOver (VO) before starting Safari, you're causing VO to behave different than most people on this list would experience. That is, if you start Safari while VO is already on, then VO usually will automatically be focused in the HTML area. When you turn VO on after the fact, VO focus is at the most upper level it can be. By the way, have you used the VoiceOver QuickStart guide r looked through the VoiceOver commands? While VO is on, press the VO keys (ctrl and option) along with the letter h and there's some very helpful material there for you. But, I believe that some explaining would benefit you here as well, so, we'll start with some VO Safari basics: 1. When VoiceOver (VO) is turned on and you wish to navigate within Safari, you essentially have layers of items that you can deal with. As you use VO-right/left or VO-up/down around the Safari screen, VO will announce things like "Toolbar", Web-page name followed by HTML Content, various Sidebars and Close, Minimize, Zoom buttons. Things like Toolbars and Sidebars require you to dig a level down to know what's there. In VO language, that is "Interacting With" and item. So, pressing VO-shift-down arrow Interacts with the item and drills you down into that level of items. You can then navigate with VO-left/right/up/down to determine the available items at that level. Once you are at a lower level of items, for example within the Toolbar, you only here about that level unless you press VO-shift-up arrow to Stop Interacting with the Toolbar or that specific level of items. When you hear VO announce "Web-page name HTML Content", that is the area where all the web content resides. Interact with that area then use VO-left/right/up/down to navigate around and VO-space or your return key to activate a given link. You can also use the tabkey to move between links but remember that when using the tabkey, you will likely miss any textual or other content. Another thing that you may find beneficial is the cmd-l command. This command moves focus to the Address/Search field. So, pressing cmd-l, then typing "www.google.com" followed by the return key will send you to Google's home page. And, pressing cmd-l and entering "VoiceOver commands" followed by return will do a Google search for this phrase and give the results within the HTML Content area. This is a start for you, and remember that VO is designed to be able to use the same command structure no matter what application you're using. So, learning basic VoiceOver navigation is essential and will actually make your experience much less frustrating. HTH. Later... On Jan 12, 2014, at 12:52 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > April, > > I can't even imagine what approach you're trying to take here, or why you're > taking it. > > In the nearly four years I've been using a Mac, I don't think I've *ever > turned Voiceover off. You don't need to "clear" anything. > Best, > Donna > On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:34 PM, April Brown wrote: > >> The reason for turning VoiceOver off is to clear it, so when I open it back >> up, it will be back at the beginning, and maybe I can manage to figure out >> the steps to opening a web page from the bookmarks. I know it's incorrect. >> I haven't found directions anywhere. I just have multiple lists of >> commands, and no idea what order to put them in. It's a giant jigsaw >> puzzle. I try what you suggest. >> >> Thanks, >> >> April >> . >> >> On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:29:48 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: >> April, >> >> First, you are needlessly making far too much work for yourself all for >> nothing. Why do you insist you must turn Voice OVer off every time you get >> out of Safari. This is quite frankly, unnecessary. Also, the procedure you >> are using to try to open bookmarks is completely incorrect. >> >> First, leave Voice OVer on. DO, NOT, turn it off. >> >> Here’s how to get in to book marks. >> >> 1. Open Safari. >> >> 2. Now, press VO+m to open the menu structure. >> >> 3. Now, press b for book marks. >> >> 4. Now, arrow down in to this menu, and, when ever you hear a book mark >> folder you want to get in to, press right arrow to expand it. >> >> Want to edit your book Marks? >> >> Do this. >> >> 1. Open safari. >> >> 2. Press Cmd+Option+b. That gets you in to the edit book marks window. >> >> You should know enough by now to take it from there. >> >> >> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >> built-in! >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >> >> On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:21 PM, April Brown wrote: >> >>> I opened Safari. >>> I turned VoiceOver on. >>> After a dozen tries, I managed to get it onto the Bookmarks. >>> Somehow, as I was transferring m
Re: Today's 30 minutes with VoiceOver
I have no idea what this even means. voiceover doesn’t clear or *start over* am extremely confused here. Alia On Jan 12, 2014, at 2:52 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > April, > > I can't even imagine what approach you're trying to take here, or why you're > taking it. > > In the nearly four years I've been using a Mac, I don't think I've *ever > turned Voiceover off. You don't need to "clear" anything. > Best, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Today's 30 minutes with VoiceOver
Hi Tim, Tomorrow I can try turning VoiceOver on before I open Safari. My head hurts too much tonight. Yes, I tried the training thin g three times, and couldn't even get it to work in the training module. I've printed a ten page list of commands, a 30 page list of commands, and a whole bunch of other stuff to no avail. I'm old. Very old. Even as a former web designer, I have no idea what a web rotor, web spot, or half of those other terms are. I used to write CSS and HTML. I don't recognize the visible page as HTML, rather as text, so some terms are likely flipping. I need a step by step guide. I'll create one myself, if I have to. Somehow, no matter what key combination I try, and the VO arrow, or VO shift arrow mostly beeps at me. There must be a setting wrong somewhere. It shouldn't be that hard to figure out. How did anyone ever figure it out with a rocket science degree? Your notes should help me a lot. On Sunday, January 12, 2014 4:43:39 PM UTC-5, Tim Kilburn wrote: > > Hi April, > > As others have mentioned, I believe that you're approaching this from a > more difficult prospective than necessary. When you turn off VoiceOver > (VO) before starting Safari, you're causing VO to behave different than > most people on this list would experience. That is, if you start Safari > while VO is already on, then VO usually will automatically be focused in > the HTML area. When you turn VO on after the fact, VO focus is at the most > upper level it can be. By the way, have you used the VoiceOver QuickStart > guide r looked through the VoiceOver commands? While VO is on, press the > VO keys (ctrl and option) along with the letter h and there's some very > helpful material there for you. > > But, I believe that some explaining would benefit you here as well, so, > we'll start with some VO Safari basics: > > 1. When VoiceOver (VO) is turned on and you wish to navigate within > Safari, you essentially have layers of items that you can deal with. As > you use VO-right/left or VO-up/down around the Safari screen, VO will > announce things like "Toolbar", Web-page name followed by HTML Content, > various Sidebars and Close, Minimize, Zoom buttons. Things like Toolbars > and Sidebars require you to dig a level down to know what's there. In VO > language, that is "Interacting With" and item. So, pressing VO-shift-down > arrow Interacts with the item and drills you down into that level of items. > You can then navigate with VO-left/right/up/down to determine the > available items at that level. Once you are at a lower level of items, for > example within the Toolbar, you only here about that level unless you press > VO-shift-up arrow to Stop Interacting with the Toolbar or that specific > level of items. > > When you hear VO announce "Web-page name HTML Content", that is the area > where all the web content resides. Interact with that area then use > VO-left/right/up/down to navigate around and VO-space or your return key to > activate a given link. You can also use the tabkey to move between links > but remember that when using the tabkey, you will likely miss any textual > or other content. > > Another thing that you may find beneficial is the cmd-l command. This > command moves focus to the Address/Search field. So, pressing cmd-l, then > typing "www.google.com" followed by the return key will send you to > Google's home page. And, pressing cmd-l and entering "VoiceOver commands" > followed by return will do a Google search for this phrase and give the > results within the HTML Content area. > > This is a start for you, and remember that VO is designed to be able to > use the same command structure no matter what application you're using. > So, learning basic VoiceOver navigation is essential and will actually > make your experience much less frustrating. > > HTH. > > Later... > > On Jan 12, 2014, at 12:52 PM, Donna Goodin > > wrote: > > April, > > I can't even imagine what approach you're trying to take here, or why > you're taking it. > > In the nearly four years I've been using a Mac, I don't think I've *ever > turned Voiceover off. You don't need to "clear" anything. > Best, > Donna > On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:34 PM, April Brown > > wrote: > > The reason for turning VoiceOver off is to clear it, so when I open it > back up, it will be back at the beginning, and maybe I can manage to figure > out the steps to opening a web page from the bookmarks. I know it's > incorrect. I haven't found directions anywhere. I just have multiple > lists of commands, and no idea what order to put them in. It's a giant > jigsaw puzzle. I try what you suggest. > > Thanks, > > April > . > > On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:29:48 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: >> >> April, >> >> First, you are needlessly making far too much work for yourself all for >> nothing. Why do you insist you must turn Voice OVer off every time you get >> out of S
Re: Today's 30 minutes with VoiceOver
No more than I am, I'm sure. When something gets stuck on a computer, the common knowledge is to shut it down, and restart. Exactly what I was trying to do, every time VoiceOver would get stuck and every command I tried would just make it beep and do nothing. On Sunday, January 12, 2014 4:55:38 PM UTC-5, alia robinson wrote: > > I have no idea what this even means. voiceover doesn’t clear or *start > over* am extremely confused here. > > Alia > On Jan 12, 2014, at 2:52 PM, Donna Goodin > > wrote: > > > April, > > > > I can't even imagine what approach you're trying to take here, or why > you're taking it. > > > > In the nearly four years I've been using a Mac, I don't think I've *ever > turned Voiceover off. You don't need to "clear" anything. > > Best, > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Today's 30 minutes with VoiceOver
Where are you located? On Sunday, January 12, 2014 11:21:13 AM UTC-8, April Brown wrote: > > I opened Safari. > I turned VoiceOver on. > After a dozen tries, I managed to get it onto the Bookmarks. > Somehow, as I was transferring my notes to a Pages document, it crashed, > and a low, low, grumbling male voice started speaking. > > I turned off VoiceOver, closed Safari, and tried again. > > Another dozen tries, and I never did get it back on the Bookmarks bar to > an actual bookmark. The one time I did, it wouldn't click on it, it > highlighted and wanted to change it. Huh? > > So, I closed and turned it all off again. > > Then, I opened Safari back up. Opened up a web page, and turned VoiceOver > back on. Again it got stuck in the menu, and would not get to content. At > least, unlike in Firefox, I can click on the region I need read to me, and > it will then work. > > That's my 30 minutes of trying to open a webpage today. > > Back to writing. > > And you wonder why I need step by step directions, and not just a random > list. > > So far, to get it on Safari, I have: > Step 1: Open Safari > Step 2: Command, F5 to start VoiceOver > Step 1: Control, Option, Down arrow from the menu to the bookmarks. And > yet it doesn't quiet work, as it doesn't go the list of bookmarks. It did > once. > > And where did this creepy male voice come from that keeps interrupting? I > can't comprehend low tones. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Repairing Macbook AIr or recovering its data
Hello all. One of the most ordinary situations but the one I need your help with (especially if you live in California). My wife spilled some coffee on her Macbook Air and, naturally, the machine stopped working. At first, the machine wouldn't boot up, but after a day or so it eventually did. However, now we are getting three long (repetitive) beeps, blank screen and no further activity. In reading various forums (those on ifix.com as well), we discovered that the hardware problem could be anything from a thermal paste that needs to be reapplied to possible problems with RAM module. In any case, it's a hardware issue, most likely. unfortunately, her machine was not hooked to a Time Capsule, a mistake we now realized, but it's too late to worry about it now. We went to a local Apple store but they told us that the national repair store will be replacing the whole board, most likely, and will not be taking care of our data. So, questions: - does anybody know a place where I could send the machine to be inspected first? Perhaps there is an easy fix and no need for the board replacement. - If we do have to go the data recovery route, has anyone done that and how reliable such a process is? Will they actually recover your whole OS or just certain files? Thanks for any ideas, pointers and suggestions. Best, Vic -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Repairing Macbook AIr or recovering its data
Hello, The biggest question is, what year is it? I think pre 2012 models you can remove the SSD and plug it to another computer. But I think the newer models everything is sodired on. Daniel Hawkins - Posted from my Macbook Pro 2012 15in. Macbook Pro 2.3 Quad-core i7 4GB DDR3 500GB HDD Dual Boot: Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit On Jan 12, 2014, at 4:45 PM, Vic wrote: > Hello all. > One of the most ordinary situations but the one I need your help with > (especially if you live in California). > My wife spilled some coffee on her Macbook Air and, naturally, the machine > stopped working. > At first, the machine wouldn't boot up, but after a day or so it eventually > did. However, now we are getting three long (repetitive) beeps, blank screen > and no further activity. In reading various forums (those on ifix.com as > well), we discovered that the hardware problem could be anything from a > thermal paste that needs to be reapplied to possible problems with RAM > module. In any case, it's a hardware issue, most likely. > unfortunately, her machine was not hooked to a Time Capsule, a mistake we now > realized, but it's too late to worry about it now. > We went to a local Apple store but they told us that the national repair > store will be replacing the whole board, most likely, and will not be taking > care of our data. > > So, questions: > - does anybody know a place where I could send the machine to be inspected > first? Perhaps there is an easy fix and no need for the board replacement. > - If we do have to go the data recovery route, has anyone done that and how > reliable such a process is? Will they actually recover your whole OS or just > certain files? > > Thanks for any ideas, pointers and suggestions. > Best, > Vic > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Searching in Mabericks Mail
Dear List using Outlook and jaws I can search for specific text and it will bring up all the mail that contains the search string in the to field subject or message body. I have tried command f in mavericks mail but it seems to bring up messages that are unrelated to my terms. I have also tried using item chooser in my in box but this does not work either. Can this be done in mavericks? Many Thanks, Lee -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Recovery particion
Did you do a disk verification first? Do you have a back up system drive you can boot form to try running disk utility from it? Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Jan 12, 2014, at 2:44 PM, Richard Ring wrote: > I restarted my Mac in order to repair permissions. I could not do this, as > the button was dimmed. I then tried to repair the disk. I was informed that > “lion file system repair was not supported.” Is there a remedy for this? > > > You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding > Sent from my Mac Book Pro > richr...@gmail.com > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Moving through tabs and Closing them in Mavericks Safari
Dear List, how do you cycle through tabs in mavericks safari and close them. In the menus it says command w same as closing a window, but how does it know whether you want the windows closing or the tab within the window closing? Command W always brings up mission control for me. Many Thanks, Lee -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Moving through tabs and Closing them in Mavericks Safari
I am not sure what is the best method. But here is what I do. Assuming you are in the HTML area. Now deinteract that, which I use Quicknav, by pressing left and down arrow at the same time. Now hit left arrow untill you get to the disired tab. Select it. now cmd w to close. or if you select it just go right and reinteract the HTML area Daniel Hawkins - Posted from my Macbook Pro 2012 15in. Macbook Pro 2.3 Quad-core i7 4GB DDR3 500GB HDD Dual Boot: Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit On Jan 12, 2014, at 7:47 PM, Lee Jones wrote: > Dear List, how do you cycle through tabs in mavericks safari and close them. > In the menus it says command w same as closing a window, but how does it know > whether you want the windows closing or the tab within the window closing? > Command W always brings up mission control for me. > > Many Thanks, Lee > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Today's 30 minutes with VoiceOver
have you tried to learn VoiceOver basics by opening the VoiceOver help menu and selecting the quick start tutorial? Once you've worked through that tutorial you can read through the getting started guide? Me thinks you're making it far more complicated than it is. Honestly, start at the beginning, learn VO basics by taking the quick start tutorial, then move on to reading systematically through the getting started guide which is essentially a webpage in Safari that covers every aspect of VoiceOver - it's really quite thorough and easy to read. The best advice I ever got when I first started learning to use a mac was to forget everything I thought I knew and just start at the beginning. Also, take a deep breathe and keep things simple - it's not so hard if people like me and others here can master it, then so can you. On Jan 12, 2014, at 3:58 PM, April Brown wrote: > Hi Regina, > > I thought about just trying to learn to use it in Mail. However, when > I need it most right now, is the late afternoon, When I want to relax, the > screen is too blurry to see, and some nice Internet surfing would be a good > way to relax for twenty minutes. While learning something new I will need > full time before long. > > I feel like someone took a 2,000 piece jigsaw puzzle, took out all the > corners,edges, and half the remaining pieces, and handed it to me to guess > how the rest goes together > > I've even tried to find a list that just focuses on web commands. And they > are so full of terms I have no clue what they are, that it's probably useless > to me without a definition sheet. How can I guess what the command is for > if it's name, and description is something unintelligible to me? > > I'm off to eat dinner and close my eye. > > Good night, and I'll try again tomorrow. Another way, perhaps. > > On Sunday, January 12, 2014 3:39:38 PM UTC-5, regina alvarado wrote: > April, best command I have learned myself at this point is command Q to close > everything and command W to close windows. A few days ago I believe Sarai > sent an article from Mac World. If it did anything for me, it made the layout > of the screen much more understandable. I even learned what Time Machine was, > though still don't know how to use. I could resend if you like. I think > perhaps you are trying to do too much all at once. Maybe you should focus on > mail and get used to getting into it and reading and writing email until you > are comfortable. You may even want to tackle only starting the machine and > getting on the desktop which has another name I forgot. Don't try to learn > all commands at once. Pick something and become really reliable with it. What > I am learning is that a lot of times the commands will be the same in > different places and apps. By the way, I wear hearing aids and have had to > tweak my voices to find something I can understand. I also don't have a very > good memory so little chunks of info is all I can handle until cemented into > long term memory. I thought the Mac was very different from iPhone, but I am > finding there is a lot of similarity too. I know you can do this. I just will > not let it defeat me. Took me a long time to learn Windows so it will take a > while to change operating systems. However, we can do this! > > > reggie and Allegra > > On Jan 12, 2014, at 2:57 PM, April Brown wrote: > > Hi Donna, I am trying to learn VoiceOver. Not successfully. I still have > some vision, some days. I now have a headache. Thanks to Ray Foret, I can > now open a web page, I just still can't figure out how to get it to read it > without clicking where I need it to go. I have to learn to learn this before > I am completely blind. Or perhaps, it would be better for me to not, and use > a Braille display instead. However, I will likely retain some hearing at > least another five to ten years. I still don't under stand half the words on > these manuals. It's Greek and Chinese mixed. I'm, glad there are people > out there who have someone to show them how, and the order to do things in. > I can't figure it out. And with poor memory, I'll need it written to ever > duplicate it. > > On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:52:42 PM UTC-5, Donna wrote: > April, > > I can't even imagine what approach you're trying to take here, or why you're > taking it. > > In the nearly four years I've been using a Mac, I don't think I've *ever > turned Voiceover off. You don't need to "clear" anything. > Best, > Donna > On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:34 PM, April Brown wrote: > >> The reason for turning VoiceOver off is to clear it, so when I open it back >> up, it will be back at the beginning, and maybe I can manage to figure out >> the steps to opening a web page from the bookmarks. I know it's incorrect. >> I haven't found directions anywhere. I just have multiple lists of >> commands, and no idea what order to put them in. It's a giant jigsaw
Clamshell, or no sleep when closeing the Mac.
Hello all, The past few days I have been trying to figure out a way to keep my Mac from going into sleep mode when I close the lid. There are times when I’m downloading, or recording, or recoding files and it may take hours, so I want to close my Macbook Pro lid so my cat don’t jump on. So far I have tried Isomniax and it don’t work with Maverick. I have tried No Sleep, but I can’t seem to get it to work. Do you guys know any accessable way to turn off sleep when I’m plugged in the power? Thanks! Daniel Hawkins - Posted from my Macbook Pro 2012 15in. Macbook Pro 2.3 Quad-core i7 4GB DDR3 500GB HDD Dual Boot: Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Recovery particion
I do have a back up drive, I decided to do a smart update using super duper just a few hours ago. I actually just did a restore from that drive which is a passport for Mac. Now, I can’t even turn VO on when attempt to access the recovery partition using command r at start up. You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding Sent from my Mac Book Pro richr...@gmail.com On Jan 12, 2014, at 7:42 PM, John Panarese wrote: >Did you do a disk verification first? Do you have a back up system drive > you can boot form to try running disk utility from it? > > > Take Care > > John D. Panarese > Director > Mac for the Blind > Tel, (631) 724-4479 > Email, j...@macfortheblind.com > Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com > > APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION > > AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE > > MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > > > > > On Jan 12, 2014, at 2:44 PM, Richard Ring wrote: > >> I restarted my Mac in order to repair permissions. I could not do this, as >> the button was dimmed. I then tried to repair the disk. I was informed that >> “lion file system repair was not supported.” Is there a remedy for this? >> >> >> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding >> Sent from my Mac Book Pro >> richr...@gmail.com >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Today's 30 minutes with VoiceOver
Hi April. I may be of some help. I have two options for you because you say you want one-on-one training. If you have Skype, you can add me to Skype and I'll be happy to teach you the basics to Voiceover. I have a friend on here that I've taught how to use the Mac and it helped her greatly. The other option is a website but it's not the cheapest option. You can go to www.blindaccesstraining.com and request for one-on-one training there. I hope you'll take into consideration all the options I've told you. -- Shawn Sent From My White MacBook -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Recovery particion
The problem is when you do a clone, the recovery partition is not cloned. Try holding the option key down at startup and hit the right arrow key and then enter. Make sure the external drive is not connected when you do this. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Jan 12, 2014, at 9:44 PM, Richard Ring wrote: > I do have a back up drive, I decided to do a smart update using super duper > just a few hours ago. I actually just did a restore from that drive which is > a passport for Mac. > Now, I can’t even turn VO on when attempt to access the recovery partition > using command r at start up. > > > You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding > Sent from my Mac Book Pro > richr...@gmail.com > > On Jan 12, 2014, at 7:42 PM, John Panarese wrote: > >>Did you do a disk verification first? Do you have a back up system drive >> you can boot form to try running disk utility from it? >> >> >> Take Care >> >> John D. Panarese >> Director >> Mac for the Blind >> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com >> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com >> >> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION >> >> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >> >> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >> >> >> >> >> On Jan 12, 2014, at 2:44 PM, Richard Ring wrote: >> >>> I restarted my Mac in order to repair permissions. I could not do this, as >>> the button was dimmed. I then tried to repair the disk. I was informed that >>> “lion file system repair was not supported.” Is there a remedy for this? >>> >>> >>> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of >>> Fielding >>> Sent from my Mac Book Pro >>> richr...@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Searching in Mabericks Mail
Type command-option-F, I believe. Type in your search terms, then arrow down. You’ll find options for your search term, message, sender, subject, etc. I then begin tabbing until I get to the message area to see the results. If there is a faster way, I don’t know it at this time. ;) HTH, Traci On Jan 12, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Lee Jones wrote: > Dear List using Outlook and jaws I can search for specific text and it will > bring up all the mail that contains the search string in the to field > subject or message body. I have tried command f in mavericks mail but it > seems to bring up messages that are unrelated to my terms. I have also tried > using item chooser in my in box but this does not work either. Can this be > done in mavericks? > > Many Thanks, Lee > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: webpage question and a Mini question
Regarding your question on how to get to the top of your web page: method 1: VO+SHIFT+Function Key+Left Arrow, this will work as long as your not inside a table, group, or content list. If you are, it will take you to the top of the table, group, or content list. You must first stop interacting with any of these for it to work. Method 2: VO+U, this will open a list of all your links and tell you how many there are. If you don’t hear the word Links, then right arrow until you hear Links, then arrow down once and press enter, and you will land on your first link of the web page. Method 3 is a bit more complicated 1. Press VO+F8 to open your VoiceOver Utility, and VO will tell you that you are on the Utility categories table. 2. Press VO+SHIFT+Down to interact with the table. 3. Press VO+Down three times to get to the Navigation options. 4. Press VO+SHIFT+Up to stop interacting with the table. 5. VO+Press Right until you get to the allow cursor wrapping check box and check it. Now, when you get to the bottom of a web page, you VO+Right or VO+Down and the cursor will wrap to the top of the page. 6. Press Cmd+Q to close the VoiceOver Utility. Gary On Jan 12, 2014, at 3:01 PM, Regina Alvarado wrote: > My question of the day. Last night I was able to get on Netflix. I ask for it > by command L. I was even able to find a program to watch. I did something > with my remote, however, and the TV stopped talking again. This morning I > played around and found my earphones from iPhone will work so I can hear VO. > My question is, once in a webpage, how can I get back to the top of the page > to start going through the links again? Also, where is the volume for the > whole Mini, see all the voice settings for different voices but not a central > volume. Thanks much in advance for the help. > A grateful new Mini user > > > > reggie and Allegra > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Searching in Mabericks Mail
While in your mail application, move to your tool bar and interact with it. Go to the search edit box and enter your term. A list of categories will be listed and you can move your arrow down or back up the list to select what you want, and press enter. Go to your messages table and the found messages will be listed there. There is also a favorites toolbar that you can interact with to select a specific mailbox if you want. Gary On Jan 12, 2014, at 8:59 PM, Traci Duncan wrote: > Type command-option-F, I believe. Type in your search terms, then arrow > down. You’ll find options for your search term, message, sender, subject, > etc. > > I then begin tabbing until I get to the message area to see the results. If > there is a faster way, I don’t know it at this time. ;) > > HTH, > Traci > > On Jan 12, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Lee Jones wrote: > >> Dear List using Outlook and jaws I can search for specific text and it >> will bring up all the mail that contains the search string in the to field >> subject or message body. I have tried command f in mavericks mail but it >> seems to bring up messages that are unrelated to my terms. I have also >> tried using item chooser in my in box but this does not work either. Can >> this be done in mavericks? >> >> Many Thanks, Lee >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Creating an alios mail account in iCloud
Hi, recently I created an iCloud mail account. At the time I seam to remember that you can create an alias . Firstly I can’t find how I originally created the iCloud mail account. Please could somebody give me some pointers how to create an alias? Times like this I realise how old I really am. Grin. Max -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
MacGourmet on sale for $9.99 at the Mac App Store today (January 12, 2014)
Hi All, I recall during the discussion of cooking apps that some of you were interested in Mac Gourmet. I just noticed it is on sale at the Mac App store for $9.99, reduced from it's usual list price of $24.99. The announcement says "Polar Vortex Promo! Embrace the cold and save money! Promotion ends January 13th!" -- which could mean in a few hours. Here's the App Store URL: • MacGourmet ($9.99 on sale, lists for $24.99) by Mariner Software https://itunes.apple.com/app/macgourmet/id403560571?mt=12 The deluxe version of MacGourmet with meal-planning, nutritional information, and generating shopping lists is also on sale, but at less of a discount: • MacGourmet Deluxe ($34.99 on sale, lists for $39.99) https://itunes.apple.com/app/macgourmet-deluxe/id412646750?mt=12 There is also an iOS app: • Gourmet (for iOS) ($1.99 on sale, lists for $3.99) https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/gourmet-for-ios/id711561842?mt=8 Please read the reviews. While I have used the previous version of MacGourmet on the Mac quite successfully, there have been multiple problems reported with the cloud syncing with iOS. (One of the reasons I recommended Paprika Recipe Manager.) HTH. Cheers, Esther -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
