Hi April, As others have mentioned, I believe that you're approaching this from a more difficult prospective than necessary. When you turn off VoiceOver (VO) before starting Safari, you're causing VO to behave different than most people on this list would experience. That is, if you start Safari while VO is already on, then VO usually will automatically be focused in the HTML area. When you turn VO on after the fact, VO focus is at the most upper level it can be. By the way, have you used the VoiceOver QuickStart guide r looked through the VoiceOver commands? While VO is on, press the VO keys (ctrl and option) along with the letter h and there's some very helpful material there for you.
But, I believe that some explaining would benefit you here as well, so, we'll start with some VO Safari basics: 1. When VoiceOver (VO) is turned on and you wish to navigate within Safari, you essentially have layers of items that you can deal with. As you use VO-right/left or VO-up/down around the Safari screen, VO will announce things like "Toolbar", Web-page name followed by HTML Content, various Sidebars and Close, Minimize, Zoom buttons. Things like Toolbars and Sidebars require you to dig a level down to know what's there. In VO language, that is "Interacting With" and item. So, pressing VO-shift-down arrow Interacts with the item and drills you down into that level of items. You can then navigate with VO-left/right/up/down to determine the available items at that level. Once you are at a lower level of items, for example within the Toolbar, you only here about that level unless you press VO-shift-up arrow to Stop Interacting with the Toolbar or that specific level of items. When you hear VO announce "Web-page name HTML Content", that is the area where all the web content resides. Interact with that area then use VO-left/right/up/down to navigate around and VO-space or your return key to activate a given link. You can also use the tabkey to move between links but remember that when using the tabkey, you will likely miss any textual or other content. Another thing that you may find beneficial is the cmd-l command. This command moves focus to the Address/Search field. So, pressing cmd-l, then typing "www.google.com" followed by the return key will send you to Google's home page. And, pressing cmd-l and entering "VoiceOver commands" followed by return will do a Google search for this phrase and give the results within the HTML Content area. This is a start for you, and remember that VO is designed to be able to use the same command structure no matter what application you're using. So, learning basic VoiceOver navigation is essential and will actually make your experience much less frustrating. HTH. Later... On Jan 12, 2014, at 12:52 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: > April, > > I can't even imagine what approach you're trying to take here, or why you're > taking it. > > In the nearly four years I've been using a Mac, I don't think I've *ever > turned Voiceover off. You don't need to "clear" anything. > Best, > Donna > On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:34 PM, April Brown <aprilbrownwr...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> The reason for turning VoiceOver off is to clear it, so when I open it back >> up, it will be back at the beginning, and maybe I can manage to figure out >> the steps to opening a web page from the bookmarks. I know it's incorrect. >> I haven't found directions anywhere. I just have multiple lists of >> commands, and no idea what order to put them in. It's a giant jigsaw >> puzzle. I try what you suggest. >> >> Thanks, >> >> April >> . >> >> On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:29:48 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote: >> April, >> >> First, you are needlessly making far too much work for yourself all for >> nothing. Why do you insist you must turn Voice OVer off every time you get >> out of Safari. This is quite frankly, unnecessary. Also, the procedure you >> are using to try to open bookmarks is completely incorrect. >> >> First, leave Voice OVer on. DO, NOT, turn it off. >> >> Here’s how to get in to book marks. >> >> 1. Open Safari. >> >> 2. Now, press VO+m to open the menu structure. >> >> 3. Now, press b for book marks. >> >> 4. Now, arrow down in to this menu, and, when ever you hear a book mark >> folder you want to get in to, press right arrow to expand it. >> >> Want to edit your book Marks? >> >> Do this. >> >> 1. Open safari. >> >> 2. Press Cmd+Option+b. That gets you in to the edit book marks window. >> >> You should know enough by now to take it from there. >> >> >> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >> built-in! >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >> >> On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:21 PM, April Brown <aprilbr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I opened Safari. >>> I turned VoiceOver on. >>> After a dozen tries, I managed to get it onto the Bookmarks. >>> Somehow, as I was transferring my notes to a Pages document, it crashed, >>> and a low, low, grumbling male voice started speaking. >>> >>> I turned off VoiceOver, closed Safari, and tried again. >>> >>> Another dozen tries, and I never did get it back on the Bookmarks bar to an >>> actual bookmark. The one time I did, it wouldn't click on it, it >>> highlighted and wanted to change it. Huh? >>> >>> So, I closed and turned it all off again. >>> >>> Then, I opened Safari back up. Opened up a web page, and turned VoiceOver >>> back on. Again it got stuck in the menu, and would not get to content. At >>> least, unlike in Firefox, I can click on the region I need read to me, and >>> it will then work. >>> >>> That's my 30 minutes of trying to open a webpage today. >>> >>> Back to writing. >>> >>> And you wonder why I need step by step directions, and not just a random >>> list. >>> >>> So far, to get it on Safari, I have: >>> Step 1: Open Safari >>> Step 2: Command, F5 to start VoiceOver >>> Step 1: Control, Option, Down arrow from the menu to the bookmarks. And >>> yet it doesn't quiet work, as it doesn't go the list of bookmarks. It did >>> once. >>> >>> And where did this creepy male voice come from that keeps interrupting? 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