Re: irc clients

[Teresa Cochran]

Ah, no, it doesn't do that. I always just read the messages manually, but I'd 
gotten used to that with mIRC in Windows years ago. I'm not sure whether 
there's a standalone IRC application that also speaks messages.

Sorry I couldn't be of more assistance.

Teresa
On May 25, 2013, at 11:17 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:

> I've tried it. I can't get it to automatically read incoming messages.
> sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud.
> Devin prater
> email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
> Skype:
> devinprater
> msn:
> devinpra...@live.com
> 
> 
> On May 25, 2013, at 12:38 PM, Teresa Cochran  
> wrote:
> 
>> There's colloquy:
>> http://colloquy.info/downloads.html
>> 
>> HtH,
>> Teeresa
>> On May 25, 2013, at 3:22 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>>> So in another OS, I had chatzilla and all sorts of wonderful chat clients 
>>> that worked well. Now, in the mac, is there anything? I've gotten adium to 
>>> half-work, but that's all. I can't display a list of channels, and I really 
>>> wish there was just a simple, stand-alone client I could use.
>>> sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud.
>>> Devin prater
>>> email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
>>> Skype:
>>> devinprater
>>> msn:
>>> devinpra...@live.com
>>> 
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Re: Need an iTunes command

[Ricardo Walker]

Hello,

In the latest version of iTunes, there isn't a "list view as such.  At least, 
not by name for the main Music category in the sources table.  To view in a 
list, select music from the sources table then VO right arrow over to songs and 
press that.  Now your music will be displayed in the classic list view.  In 
your other music playlists, there is a view button, in there you will find a 
option for list view.

hth

Ricardo Walker
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On May 25, 2013, at 8:44 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> I could never get this to work. How do I change to list view? I suspect that 
> was my problem...
> On May 25, 2013, at 8:19 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> You can sort by any of the columns within your Songs or Playlist table with 
>> the regular VO sort command of VO-shift-back slash.  Make sure that your 
>> songs are in List view, Interact with the Table, press VO-shift-back slash, 
>> navigate right or left to the column you wish things sorted by, then press 
>> VO-space.  Pressing it once will sort ascending and a second time will sort 
>> it descending.  Press VO-shift-back slas again to toggle out of the sort 
>> headers.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On 2013-05-25, at 10:30 AM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> Can someone tell me the command to change what the music is sorted by in 
>>> iTunes? For example, if one wishes to sort it by artist instead of year.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Kristeen
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> Have a great day,
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Re: iTunes Question Resuming Play from last position

[Ricardo Walker]

Hmm,

This is strange.  Would it be possible for you to give me a copy of the file so 
I could try to duplicate this?

Thanks.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
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On May 25, 2013, at 8:38 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> Hey Ricardo,
> 
> Just went to do this, but the option media kind is dim and I can't click on 
> the pop up button to change the file to an audio book. Any ideas? Thanks
> On May 25, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Try treating the movie as an audiobook.  In the get info dialog, select the 
>> option tab, and select media kind as audiobook.  It will move our movies to 
>> the books section of iTunes but, this should insure it remembers the place 
>> you left off. 
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On May 25, 2013, at 6:20 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> I am not sure what I am doing wrong here, as I have downloaded a bunch of 
>>> audio movies, and have gone into the Get Info section and options and 
>>> checked the box to play from last position, yet if I start watching a movie 
>>> and pause it to resume a day or two later, the movie always goes back to 
>>> the beginning. Am I misunderstanding the function? I would have assumed by 
>>> checking this box the track would resume from where you left off. Does 
>>> anyone know if there is a way to do that?Thanks
>>> 
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Re: What would you all like to see in scripts to speak system status?

[Alex Hall]

Thanks for all the ideas. Again, I don't know what will and won't be possible, 
but reminders and calendar is a good thought. I once tried to write a script to 
get the next calendar appointment, but Calendar doesn't support that natively 
and recurring appointments throw it way off, so I abandoned the project for 
now. Getting today's appointments and reminders may be easier, though.

As to battery, my script will probably do what the other one does, except that 
you can customize it using the template. Want the time left first? No problem. 
Percentage first? Go for it! AC adapter status last, or gone altogether? Just 
set your template that way. Same for date and time - if you want them separate, 
just copy the script and make the two templates different, then rename one to 
"say time" and one to "say date", or whatever names you want.

As to music, I do like the idea of integrating with iTunes. I see that Radium 
is scriptable, but there's no documentation - you must have to buy the program 
first. Unfortunately, since I'd never use it, I can't see myself buying it. If 
someone wants to send me the app's SDEF file, or even make the script to get 
the information themselves, contact me off-list. I know iTunes is scriptable, 
and I'll also look into VLC. Hopefully, the script will just use whichever 
supported media player is open so you'll only need one script for getting the 
current track.
On May 26, 2013, at 2:36 AM, Nicholas Parsons  
wrote:

> Hi Alex,
> 
> This is a fantastic project you're doing. Thanks for your time and effort as 
> it will benefit many.
> 
> RE time, would it be possible to separate the date and time, so we could have 
> one key for the time and another for date?
> 
> Wifi and RAM usage you've already mentioned, and I reckon they're great ideas.
> 
> There's already a freely available script for battery status. I have it on my 
> MacBook. It's fantastic.
> 
> One that I'd really like, is for the name and artist of the currently playing 
> song in iTunes.
> 
> Another idea might be for the sound output device. I usually just pop up to 
> Audio Switcher in the extras menu, but I guess a simple keystroke would be 
> easier.
> 
> Other ideas might be related to Calendar, Reminders or Notification Center. A 
> key press to see how many items/badges there are in Reminders, or to read out 
> today's reminders. Or one to read out today's Calendar events. Or To read out 
> Notification Center alerts. I'm not exactly sure what, if anything, related 
> to this kind of thing would be possible with Apple Scripts, so can't give too 
> much more information. But hopefully with that encouragement your innovative 
> spirit can run wild. Basically, I like Calendar and Reminders so something to 
> let me know what I need to do and when would be great.
> 
> Look forward to hearing more on your progress.
> 
> Nic
> 
> 
> On 26/05/2013, at 9:03 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Ah, got it. Well, that depends on whether or not Radium has an Applescript 
> dictionary. Is it a free app so I can test it, and/or can someone send me the 
> SDEF file for it, assuming it has one?
> On May 25, 2013, at 7:01 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> radium is a internet radio app.  like ootunes or tuneIn on IOS.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On May 25, 2013, at 5:11 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Sorry, what's Radium? Is it a media player, or does it integrate with 
>>> iTunes or some other player?
>>> On May 25, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Rod Skene  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Alex, I have radium in the extras menu. When I go to the menu bar, I 
 can check the song title and artist. Can you do a script so it will read 
 the information from radium that is in the extras menu? Thanks, Rod
 
 Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse any errors.
 
 On 25/05/2013, at 6:20 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
 
> Hi Alex,
> 
> This is great work.  Thanks for putting in the time and effort.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On May 25, 2013, at 12:11 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> I'm going to send out a link to a zip file when I'm all done with 
>> everything - right now, though the four I have are working properly, I'd 
>> consider this to still be in alpha testing. It shouldn't be too long, 
>> though.
>> 
>> Bluetooth is one thing I considered, but had not looked into. I'll do 
>> that and see if it is possible. Volume is really simple, though - I'll 
>> make a script that gives you everything, and you can use the template to 
>> choose what you want to hear.
>> On May 24, 2013, at 11:58 PM, Chris Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Alex, this is great!  Where would I obtain the scripts that you so far 
>>> have done?  I'd like a script that would tell me if bl

VO improvements in the next update

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi,

I'm very glad to forward this link to you. A little tiny line says, the next 
update is gonna bring improvements for VoiceOver for word processing and PDF.

http://macdailynews.com/2013/05/25/apples-os-x-10-8-4-to-deliver-wifi-compatibility-facetime-fix-802-11ac-and-more/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+wordpress/xhfA+(MacDailyNews)
 

Isn't that great? I Hope this will fix the pdf issues in Preview and - who 
knows - bring tables compatibility to VO. Let's dream big! :-)
That shows to me how important it is to send bug reports to
accessibil...@apple.com.

All the best
Jürgen

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Re: VO improvements in the next update

[Brandt]

The link seems to be useless. Even googled the link and no go.

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On 26 May 2013, at 2:02 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'm very glad to forward this link to you. A little tiny line says, the next 
> update is gonna bring improvements for VoiceOver for word processing and PDF.
> 
> http://macdailynews.com/2013/05/25/apples-os-x-10-8-4-to-deliver-wifi-compatibility-facetime-fix-802-11ac-and-more/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+wordpress/xhfA+(MacDailyNews)
>  
> 
> Isn't that great? I Hope this will fix the pdf issues in Preview and - who 
> knows - bring tables compatibility to VO. Let's dream big! :-)
> That shows to me how important it is to send bug reports to
> accessibil...@apple.com.
> 
> All the best
> Jürgen
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Re: Dragging and Dropping a mailbox to Favorites

[Tim Kilburn]

John,

I'm wondering 

• what your VO settings are, specifically navigation and web.
• what view you're Mail is in.
• Is your Preview pane active or not.

I have made this work on occasion but after seeing others frustration in this 
thread was attempting to play with things a little to determine why things 
might be not working for them.  In my testing, I was unable to make the Drag 
and Drop to Favourites work for me either.  Kind of interesting considering 
that I did make it work in the past and have sent responses assisting others.  
Anyway, I'll put some notes below on my experiences:

• You must Interact with the Mailbox to be able to mark it for Drag and Drop.
• Items that are expandable usually cannot be dragged around.  These are items 
such as Sent mail that is expandable due to the fact that you have multiple 
Mailboxes within the Mail app.
• When I mark something to drag, focus moves to the Messages Table of that 
Mailbox, so extra steps of uninteracting must be performed prior to moving over 
to the Favourites bar.  I tried changing VO cursor settings to affect this with 
no real success.
• VO marks the item, drags it but then says that it was unable to drop it on 
the Favourites bar.
• I already have eight items in my Favourite bar so thought that maybe that was 
a limit, so I pulled one item out.  No change in behaviour although I did have 
to ask my daughter to put the item back in because I couldn't get the Drag and 
Drop to work properly.
• No joy whether I use the old fashioned VO-cmd-space Drag and Drop method 
instead of the VO-comma/VO-period method.
• In fact, I had to restart my MBP at one point as my daughter said that the 
Trackpad button wasn't responding properly even when she was trying things, 
probably got messed up with all my on/off playing.

Any specifics that you have that could assist in this would be appreciated.

Have a good one.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2013-05-25, at 10:37 AM, John Panarese  wrote:

>There are VO commands to move windows around.  If you use VO-shift-accent 
> , you will access the menus for dong this.  You might want to experiment with 
> them to see if it helps.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
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> 
> 
> On May 25, 2013, at 6:39 AM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
>> Just for fun I tried again to move a mailbox to the favoritesbar in Mountain 
>> Lion OS X 10.8.3 by using VO + komma. I closed the preview pan, maximized 
>> the window and pressed VO + Shift + F2 to get the window even more to the 
>> foreground. It didn't help at all. The message: the window could be hidden 
>> by something.
>> So Brian, unfortunately you are not alone. And I agree that Apple could have 
>> and should have fixed a whole bunch of issues which occurred since Lion and 
>> went on in Mountain Lion.
>> The only way to bring Apple to see and fix these issues is to send e-mails 
>> to 
>> accessibil...@apple.com
>> as often as we can and describe the issues as detailed as we can. That's my 
>> opinion.
>> All the best
>> Jürgen
>> 
>> Am 25.05.2013 um 01:39 schrieb Ricardo Walker :
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Just curious,  do you have the preview pane open in Mail?  I don't, I'm 
>>> wondering if this might be why your having difficulty moving a mailbox to 
>>> favorites, an I'm not?
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>> 
>>> On May 24, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
 Hey John,
 
 Yes, I did exactly what you said to do, and yes, the favorites bar was 
 showing, spent hours on this trying everything VO comma, and the old way 
 VO shift space bar, and couldn't get anything to work. Finally, I gave up 
 and had a sighted person come over and do it in 2 seconds. These are the 
 frustrating things with VO, and would be nice if Apple would address. As 
 far as I believe, there hasn't been one single improvement to VO since 
 Mountain Lion rolled out, and I can only get the same answer from Apple 
 accessibility so many times on several issues. We are aware of the 
 problem, but can't say when it will be fixed. Something so simple as them 
 reversing the web spots so when you click VO command right bracket takes 
 you right instead of left, would have been nice. If they can't fix that 
 which to me seems something very basic to fix, and worked correctly in 
 Lion, I don't put a lot of stock in any VO improvements until the next 
 operating system comes out. I get that only a very small percentage of 
 people use VO, and that Apple cannot commit a great number of resources to 
 it, but just be hone

Re: Dragging and Dropping a mailbox to Favorites

[John Panarese]

Hi Tim,
   I have the standard view for Mail.  I have all my cursors tracking one 
another and I have nothing special changed in the Web category.  I use DOM 
order for navigation.  I suggested the move window menu because many people are 
not aware you can do this.  I completely forgot about it until I stumbled 
across those commands while training someone who asked me about VoiceOver's 
ability to move objects and windows around the screen.

Oddly enough, I spent some time messing with this and it's hit or miss.  I 
can consistently get it to work sometimes, but other times, I can't seem to 
drop the mailbox onto the favorites bar.  I need to try this with someone 
sighted here so I can find out what might be going on.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
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Mac for the Blind
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On May 26, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> John,
> 
> I'm wondering 
> 
> • what your VO settings are, specifically navigation and web.
> • what view you're Mail is in.
> • Is your Preview pane active or not.
> 
> I have made this work on occasion but after seeing others frustration in this 
> thread was attempting to play with things a little to determine why things 
> might be not working for them.  In my testing, I was unable to make the Drag 
> and Drop to Favourites work for me either.  Kind of interesting considering 
> that I did make it work in the past and have sent responses assisting others. 
>  Anyway, I'll put some notes below on my experiences:
> 
> • You must Interact with the Mailbox to be able to mark it for Drag and Drop.
> • Items that are expandable usually cannot be dragged around.  These are 
> items such as Sent mail that is expandable due to the fact that you have 
> multiple Mailboxes within the Mail app.
> • When I mark something to drag, focus moves to the Messages Table of that 
> Mailbox, so extra steps of uninteracting must be performed prior to moving 
> over to the Favourites bar.  I tried changing VO cursor settings to affect 
> this with no real success.
> • VO marks the item, drags it but then says that it was unable to drop it on 
> the Favourites bar.
> • I already have eight items in my Favourite bar so thought that maybe that 
> was a limit, so I pulled one item out.  No change in behaviour although I did 
> have to ask my daughter to put the item back in because I couldn't get the 
> Drag and Drop to work properly.
> • No joy whether I use the old fashioned VO-cmd-space Drag and Drop method 
> instead of the VO-comma/VO-period method.
> • In fact, I had to restart my MBP at one point as my daughter said that the 
> Trackpad button wasn't responding properly even when she was trying things, 
> probably got messed up with all my on/off playing.
> 
> Any specifics that you have that could assist in this would be appreciated.
> 
> Have a good one.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On 2013-05-25, at 10:37 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>>   There are VO commands to move windows around.  If you use VO-shift-accent 
>> , you will access the menus for dong this.  You might want to experiment 
>> with them to see if it helps.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 25, 2013, at 6:39 AM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>> 
>>> Just for fun I tried again to move a mailbox to the favoritesbar in 
>>> Mountain Lion OS X 10.8.3 by using VO + komma. I closed the preview pan, 
>>> maximized the window and pressed VO + Shift + F2 to get the window even 
>>> more to the foreground. It didn't help at all. The message: the window 
>>> could be hidden by something.
>>> So Brian, unfortunately you are not alone. And I agree that Apple could 
>>> have and should have fixed a whole bunch of issues which occurred since 
>>> Lion and went on in Mountain Lion.
>>> The only way to bring Apple to see and fix these issues is to send e-mails 
>>> to 
>>> accessibil...@apple.com
>>> as often as we can and describe the issues as detailed as we can. That's my 
>>> opinion.
>>> All the best
>>> Jürgen
>>> 
>>> Am 25.05.2013 um 01:39 schrieb Ricardo Walker :
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 Just curious,  do you have the preview pane open in Mail?  I don't, I'm 
 wondering if this might be why your having difficulty moving a mailbox to 
 favorites, an I'm not?
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On May 24, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Br

any tips for pinterest

[Maxwell Ivey]

Hello; it had been a while since i last used Pinterest.  i just spent an hour 
finding the link to add a new pin to my existing board.  I bookmarked the link 
and hope it will be there next time.  Any tips, tricks, or suggestions for how 
to use it better?  thanks, max 

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Re: What would you all like to see in scripts to speak system status?

[Daniela Rubio]

Hi!
Thank you for the work you are doing and the time you are devoting to it, I am 
sure these little helps will be very handy to all VO Users.
An other good idea is to have VO read the con ten of the LCD section in iTunes 
when playing music, so we can listen to the tittle and artist. Some times that 
is handy because we are listening to a streaming or radio and we want to keep 
note of what is playing at that moment.
Let us know how we can help you, and when you have the templates, we will be 
happy to look at them.
Best

Daniela Rubio T
iPhone: +34662328507






El 25/05/2013, a las 05:03, Alex Hall  escribió:

> Hi all,
> Now that I have four of them consistently working, I feel ready to share what 
> I've been working on for the last couple days. I am putting together a series 
> of Apple scripts that will speak information, using VO if it is on or the 
> default system speech if it is not. The ones I have so far are CPU, ram, 
> wifi, and date/time. The really cool bit, though, is that each starts out by 
> setting up a template. You can change this template, using keywords to define 
> what is spoken where.
> 
> Let's look at the time script as an example, since everyone likes to have the 
> date and time spoken differently. Right now, I have my template set to:
> $24hours:$minutes, $weekday, $month $dayOfMonth, $year
> which yields, right now:
> 22:55, Friday, May 24, 2013
> Don't like 24 hour time? All you need to do is change your template:
> $12hours:$minutes $ampm, $month $dayOfMonth, $year
> and you'd hear something like:
> 10:56 PM, Friday, May 24, 2013
> 
> My other scripts do the same thing - one keystroke, for instance, and I know 
> which wifi network I'm on and at what signal strength. Again, all of these 
> have templates with certain keywords, so you can change how the script's 
> information is spoken to exactly how you want it.
> 
> So, my question: what else would you all like to see? I plan one for the 
> space on the startup disk, and probably all other attached volumes, plus one 
> for battery, but what else would be handy? These scripts are really meant to 
> focus on quick bits of information that sighted people can use the status 
> menus or dashboard to quickly look at - they have immediate access, and now 
> we do too, plus we can fully customize the output. I make no promises that 
> all the ideas I receive will make it, but if enough people ask for a certain 
> feature, I'll try to add it in. I've thought about weather, but I really want 
> to just distribute the scripts and not have any additional libraries or 
> anything that you'd have to install. I'll look more into weather at some 
> point. So, any small pieces of information you'd like to have one-key access 
> to, let me know. thanks.
> 
> 
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
> mehg...@gmail.com
> 
> 
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Re: Dragging and Dropping a mailbox to Favorites

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi John,

I, too, have all cursors tracking each other, but use Grouping in web-pages.  I 
do not use the Trackpad commander for any of this as I'm just too used to doing 
things the keyboard way on my Mac.  I will change things to Dom navigation just 
for fun to see if that makes any difference.

Thanks for your response and insight.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2013-05-26, at 9:57 AM, John Panarese  wrote:

> Hi Tim,
>   I have the standard view for Mail.  I have all my cursors tracking one 
> another and I have nothing special changed in the Web category.  I use DOM 
> order for navigation.  I suggested the move window menu because many people 
> are not aware you can do this.  I completely forgot about it until I stumbled 
> across those commands while training someone who asked me about VoiceOver's 
> ability to move objects and windows around the screen.
> 
>Oddly enough, I spent some time messing with this and it's hit or miss.  I 
> can consistently get it to work sometimes, but other times, I can't seem to 
> drop the mailbox onto the favorites bar.  I need to try this with someone 
> sighted here so I can find out what might be going on.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 26, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> John,
>> 
>> I'm wondering 
>> 
>> • what your VO settings are, specifically navigation and web.
>> • what view you're Mail is in.
>> • Is your Preview pane active or not.
>> 
>> I have made this work on occasion but after seeing others frustration in 
>> this thread was attempting to play with things a little to determine why 
>> things might be not working for them.  In my testing, I was unable to make 
>> the Drag and Drop to Favourites work for me either.  Kind of interesting 
>> considering that I did make it work in the past and have sent responses 
>> assisting others.  Anyway, I'll put some notes below on my experiences:
>> 
>> • You must Interact with the Mailbox to be able to mark it for Drag and Drop.
>> • Items that are expandable usually cannot be dragged around.  These are 
>> items such as Sent mail that is expandable due to the fact that you have 
>> multiple Mailboxes within the Mail app.
>> • When I mark something to drag, focus moves to the Messages Table of that 
>> Mailbox, so extra steps of uninteracting must be performed prior to moving 
>> over to the Favourites bar.  I tried changing VO cursor settings to affect 
>> this with no real success.
>> • VO marks the item, drags it but then says that it was unable to drop it on 
>> the Favourites bar.
>> • I already have eight items in my Favourite bar so thought that maybe that 
>> was a limit, so I pulled one item out.  No change in behaviour although I 
>> did have to ask my daughter to put the item back in because I couldn't get 
>> the Drag and Drop to work properly.
>> • No joy whether I use the old fashioned VO-cmd-space Drag and Drop method 
>> instead of the VO-comma/VO-period method.
>> • In fact, I had to restart my MBP at one point as my daughter said that the 
>> Trackpad button wasn't responding properly even when she was trying things, 
>> probably got messed up with all my on/off playing.
>> 
>> Any specifics that you have that could assist in this would be appreciated.
>> 
>> Have a good one.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On 2013-05-25, at 10:37 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>>  There are VO commands to move windows around.  If you use VO-shift-accent 
>>> , you will access the menus for dong this.  You might want to experiment 
>>> with them to see if it helps.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>> 
>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION
>>> 
>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>> 
>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 25, 2013, at 6:39 AM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>>> 
 Just for fun I tried again to move a mailbox to the favoritesbar in 
 Mountain Lion OS X 10.8.3 by using VO + komma. I closed the preview pan, 
 maximized the window and pressed VO + Shift + F2 to get the window even 
 more to the foreground. It didn't help at all. The message: the window 
 could be hidden by something.
 So Brian, unfortunately you are not alone. And I agree that Apple could 
 have and should have fixed a whole bunch of issues which occurred since 
 Lion and went on in Mountain Lion.
 The only way to bring Apple to see and fix these issues is to send e-mails

Re: Dragging and Dropping a mailbox to Favorites

[John Panarese]

Hi Tim,
   I don't use Trackpad commander either.  I'd love to get to the bottom of 
this as it's baffling me as to the hit or miss nature of this process and how 
some folks just can't get it to work at all.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

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AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT




On May 26, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi John,
> 
> I, too, have all cursors tracking each other, but use Grouping in web-pages.  
> I do not use the Trackpad commander for any of this as I'm just too used to 
> doing things the keyboard way on my Mac.  I will change things to Dom 
> navigation just for fun to see if that makes any difference.
> 
> Thanks for your response and insight.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On 2013-05-26, at 9:57 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Tim,
>>   I have the standard view for Mail.  I have all my cursors tracking one 
>> another and I have nothing special changed in the Web category.  I use DOM 
>> order for navigation.  I suggested the move window menu because many people 
>> are not aware you can do this.  I completely forgot about it until I 
>> stumbled across those commands while training someone who asked me about 
>> VoiceOver's ability to move objects and windows around the screen.
>> 
>>Oddly enough, I spent some time messing with this and it's hit or miss.  
>> I can consistently get it to work sometimes, but other times, I can't seem 
>> to drop the mailbox onto the favorites bar.  I need to try this with someone 
>> sighted here so I can find out what might be going on.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 26, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> John,
>>> 
>>> I'm wondering 
>>> 
>>> • what your VO settings are, specifically navigation and web.
>>> • what view you're Mail is in.
>>> • Is your Preview pane active or not.
>>> 
>>> I have made this work on occasion but after seeing others frustration in 
>>> this thread was attempting to play with things a little to determine why 
>>> things might be not working for them.  In my testing, I was unable to make 
>>> the Drag and Drop to Favourites work for me either.  Kind of interesting 
>>> considering that I did make it work in the past and have sent responses 
>>> assisting others.  Anyway, I'll put some notes below on my experiences:
>>> 
>>> • You must Interact with the Mailbox to be able to mark it for Drag and 
>>> Drop.
>>> • Items that are expandable usually cannot be dragged around.  These are 
>>> items such as Sent mail that is expandable due to the fact that you have 
>>> multiple Mailboxes within the Mail app.
>>> • When I mark something to drag, focus moves to the Messages Table of that 
>>> Mailbox, so extra steps of uninteracting must be performed prior to moving 
>>> over to the Favourites bar.  I tried changing VO cursor settings to affect 
>>> this with no real success.
>>> • VO marks the item, drags it but then says that it was unable to drop it 
>>> on the Favourites bar.
>>> • I already have eight items in my Favourite bar so thought that maybe that 
>>> was a limit, so I pulled one item out.  No change in behaviour although I 
>>> did have to ask my daughter to put the item back in because I couldn't get 
>>> the Drag and Drop to work properly.
>>> • No joy whether I use the old fashioned VO-cmd-space Drag and Drop method 
>>> instead of the VO-comma/VO-period method.
>>> • In fact, I had to restart my MBP at one point as my daughter said that 
>>> the Trackpad button wasn't responding properly even when she was trying 
>>> things, probably got messed up with all my on/off playing.
>>> 
>>> Any specifics that you have that could assist in this would be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Have a good one.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On 2013-05-25, at 10:37 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
  There are VO commands to move windows around.  If you use VO-shift-accent 
 , you will access the menus for dong this.  You might want to experiment 
 with them to see if it helps.
 
 
 Take Care
 
 John D. Panarese
 Director
 Mac for the Blind
 Tel, (631) 724-4479
 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
 Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
 
 APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION
 
 AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
 
 MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND

Re: VO improvements in the next update

[Esther]

Hi Brandt,

Jürgen's link worked for me.  I'll paste in the section from the Mac
Daily News summary that references upcoming improvements to the way
that VoiceOver handles text in PDF documents:

>From Apple’s notes as per MacRumors:

The 10.8.4 update is recommended for all OS X Mountain Lion users and
has features and fixes that improve the stability, compatibility, and
security of your Mac, including the following:

• Compatibility improvements when connecting to certain enterprise Wi-
Fi networks
• Microsoft Exchange compatibility improvements in Calendar
• A fix for an issue that prevented FaceTime calls to non-U.S. phone
numbers
• A fix for an issue that may prevent scheduled sleep after using Boot
Camp
• Improved VoiceOver compatibility with text in PDF documents
• Includes Safari 6.0.5

“Known scuttlebutt also includes the existence of 802.11ac (a.k.a.
gigabit wifi) references in OS X 10.8.4,” FairerPlatform reports.


The original source of the information is a MacRumors forum post which
references the installer notes (bulleted points) in the latest seeded
version of 10.8.4.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther



Read more at
http://macdailynews.com/2013/05/25/apples-os-x-10-8-4-to-deliver-wifi-compatibility-facetime-fix-802-11ac-and-more/#dyL108swAdEscufL.99

On May 26, 4:36 am, Brandt  wrote:
> The link seems to be useless. Even googled the link and no go.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Brandt Steenkamp
>
> Sent from my macbook pro
>
> Contact me:
>
> Mobile/iMessage/WatsApp: +27781205013
>
> Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com
>
> My ring to Skype:
> California, United States
>   +(1)760-5140161
> Extension 512
> Cape Town, South Africa
>    +(27)213-002317
> Extension 161
> Johannesburg, South Africa
> +(27)105-002316
> Extension 170
>
> Skype: Brandt.steenkamp007
>
> SIP: 5500...@spokn.com
>
> Twitter: brandtsteenkamp
>
> On 26 May 2013, at 2:02 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi,
>
> > I'm very glad to forward this link to you. A little tiny line says, the 
> > next update is gonna bring improvements for VoiceOver for word processing 
> > and PDF.
>
> >http://macdailynews.com/2013/05/25/apples-os-x-10-8-4-to-deliver-wifi...)
>
> > Isn't that great? I Hope this will fix the pdf issues in Preview and - who 
> > knows - bring tables compatibility to VO. Let's dream big! :-)
> > That shows to me how important it is to send bug reports to
> > accessibil...@apple.com.
>
> > All the best
> > Jürgen
>

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Created keyboard shortcut in iTunes

[Traci]

Hello all,

I find myself using the menu command "Show in Finder" often.  I thought I'd try 
to make a keyboard shortcut to it, and success, works like a charm.

I went to system pref, keyboard, keyboard shortcuts, then found 
applications/iTunes.  When you add a new shortcut for a menu command, you need 
to make sure you write the menu command exactly how it is written.  Show in 
Finder, capitalize the S & F.  I chose control-s.  I tested it out with music & 
tones, worked great!  :)

If I can think of another free command, I might do the same for show in iTunes 
store.

Traci

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Re: Created keyboard shortcut in iTunes

[Red.Falcon]

Ok sorry about this but why do you not use command+shift+r to show in finder!
Or does that command show up in your menus!
I'm using the latest iTunes and it still show's up in mine!
No need to make a short cut!
Colin

On 26 May 2013, at 17:57, Traci  wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> I find myself using the menu command "Show in Finder" often.  I thought I'd 
> try to make a keyboard shortcut to it, and success, works like a charm.
> 
> I went to system pref, keyboard, keyboard shortcuts, then found 
> applications/iTunes.  When you add a new shortcut for a menu command, you 
> need to make sure you write the menu command exactly how it is written.  Show 
> in Finder, capitalise the S & F.  I chose control-s.  I tested it out with 
> music & tones, worked great!  :)
> 
> If I can think of another free command, I might do the same for show in 
> iTunes store.
> 
> Traci
> 
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Re: Created keyboard shortcut in iTunes

[Alex Hall]

Yes, I love that trick. I usually use ctrl-shift, since mac apps rarely use 
control for anything, and more rarely still do they use control and shift. I 
shy away from just control because it has a lot of uses in text documents 
(ctrl-t to transpose, ctrl-d, ctrl-a, and more). I know iTunes has no documents 
as such, but I like to organize my commands so that any custom ones will have 
the same modifiers if I can help it. Also, if you want to add a command in a 
submenu (as often happens in the Type2Phone app), separate the menu names with 
-> (dash greater than) and no spaces. I think it is just greater than in 10.6 
and earlier, if I remember the forum post I found correctly.

On May 26, 2013, at 12:57 PM, Traci  wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> I find myself using the menu command "Show in Finder" often.  I thought I'd 
> try to make a keyboard shortcut to it, and success, works like a charm.
> 
> I went to system pref, keyboard, keyboard shortcuts, then found 
> applications/iTunes.  When you add a new shortcut for a menu command, you 
> need to make sure you write the menu command exactly how it is written.  Show 
> in Finder, capitalize the S & F.  I chose control-s.  I tested it out with 
> music & tones, worked great!  :)
> 
> If I can think of another free command, I might do the same for show in 
> iTunes store.
> 
> Traci
> 
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Re: What would you all like to see in scripts to speak system status?

[Alex Hall]

I'm not sure if that kind of integration is possible, but I'll have a look. 
thanks.
On May 26, 2013, at 12:00 PM, Daniela Rubio  wrote:

> Hi!
> Thank you for the work you are doing and the time you are devoting to it, I 
> am sure these little helps will be very handy to all VO Users.
> An other good idea is to have VO read the con ten of the LCD section in 
> iTunes when playing music, so we can listen to the tittle and artist. Some 
> times that is handy because we are listening to a streaming or radio and we 
> want to keep note of what is playing at that moment.
> Let us know how we can help you, and when you have the templates, we will be 
> happy to look at them.
> Best
> 
> Daniela Rubio T
> iPhone: +34662328507
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> El 25/05/2013, a las 05:03, Alex Hall  escribió:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> Now that I have four of them consistently working, I feel ready to share 
>> what I've been working on for the last couple days. I am putting together a 
>> series of Apple scripts that will speak information, using VO if it is on or 
>> the default system speech if it is not. The ones I have so far are CPU, ram, 
>> wifi, and date/time. The really cool bit, though, is that each starts out by 
>> setting up a template. You can change this template, using keywords to 
>> define what is spoken where.
>> 
>> Let's look at the time script as an example, since everyone likes to have 
>> the date and time spoken differently. Right now, I have my template set to:
>> $24hours:$minutes, $weekday, $month $dayOfMonth, $year
>> which yields, right now:
>> 22:55, Friday, May 24, 2013
>> Don't like 24 hour time? All you need to do is change your template:
>> $12hours:$minutes $ampm, $month $dayOfMonth, $year
>> and you'd hear something like:
>> 10:56 PM, Friday, May 24, 2013
>> 
>> My other scripts do the same thing - one keystroke, for instance, and I know 
>> which wifi network I'm on and at what signal strength. Again, all of these 
>> have templates with certain keywords, so you can change how the script's 
>> information is spoken to exactly how you want it.
>> 
>> So, my question: what else would you all like to see? I plan one for the 
>> space on the startup disk, and probably all other attached volumes, plus one 
>> for battery, but what else would be handy? These scripts are really meant to 
>> focus on quick bits of information that sighted people can use the status 
>> menus or dashboard to quickly look at - they have immediate access, and now 
>> we do too, plus we can fully customize the output. I make no promises that 
>> all the ideas I receive will make it, but if enough people ask for a certain 
>> feature, I'll try to add it in. I've thought about weather, but I really 
>> want to just distribute the scripts and not have any additional libraries or 
>> anything that you'd have to install. I'll look more into weather at some 
>> point. So, any small pieces of information you'd like to have one-key access 
>> to, let me know. thanks.
>> 
>> 
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Re: Created keyboard shortcut in iTunes

[Traci]

Did you say command-shift-r?  That isn't doing anything for me.

I'm going to try the dash thing.  Right now I have a shortcut for the make 
rinsable script, but I need to hit go-m first.

Traci
On May 26, 2013, at 10:18 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Yes, I love that trick. I usually use ctrl-shift, since mac apps rarely use 
> control for anything, and more rarely still do they use control and shift. I 
> shy away from just control because it has a lot of uses in text documents 
> (ctrl-t to transpose, ctrl-d, ctrl-a, and more). I know iTunes has no 
> documents as such, but I like to organize my commands so that any custom ones 
> will have the same modifiers if I can help it. Also, if you want to add a 
> command in a submenu (as often happens in the Type2Phone app), separate the 
> menu names with -> (dash greater than) and no spaces. I think it is just 
> greater than in 10.6 and earlier, if I remember the forum post I found 
> correctly.
> 
> On May 26, 2013, at 12:57 PM, Traci  wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I find myself using the menu command "Show in Finder" often.  I thought I'd 
>> try to make a keyboard shortcut to it, and success, works like a charm.
>> 
>> I went to system pref, keyboard, keyboard shortcuts, then found 
>> applications/iTunes.  When you add a new shortcut for a menu command, you 
>> need to make sure you write the menu command exactly how it is written.  
>> Show in Finder, capitalize the S & F.  I chose control-s.  I tested it out 
>> with music & tones, worked great!  :)
>> 
>> If I can think of another free command, I might do the same for show in 
>> iTunes store.
>> 
>> Traci
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Re: Created keyboard shortcut in iTunes

[Red.Falcon]

Ok I'm only guessing but that might be because you've set up your own!
But in the file menu do you not have anything written!
Mine clearly says command+shift+r!
I'm in classic view so do not know if that makes a difference!
Colin

On 26 May 2013, at 18:52, Traci  wrote:

> Did you say command-shift-r?  That isn't doing anything for me.
> 
> I'm going to try the dash thing.  Right now I have a shortcut for the make 
> rinsable script, but I need to hit go-m first.
> 
> Traci
> On May 26, 2013, at 10:18 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Yes, I love that trick. I usually use ctrl-shift, since mac apps rarely use 
>> control for anything, and more rarely still do they use control and shift. I 
>> shy away from just control because it has a lot of uses in text documents 
>> (ctrl-t to transpose, ctrl-d, ctrl-a, and more). I know iTunes has no 
>> documents as such, but I like to organise my commands so that any custom 
>> ones will have the same modifiers if I can help it. Also, if you want to add 
>> a command in a submenu (as often happens in the Type2Phone app), separate 
>> the menu names with -> (dash greater than) and no spaces. I think it is just 
>> greater than in 10.6 and earlier, if I remember the forum post I found 
>> correctly.
>> 
>> On May 26, 2013, at 12:57 PM, Traci  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> I find myself using the menu command "Show in Finder" often.  I thought I'd 
>>> try to make a keyboard shortcut to it, and success, works like a charm.
>>> 
>>> I went to system pref, keyboard, keyboard shortcuts, then found 
>>> applications/iTunes.  When you add a new shortcut for a menu command, you 
>>> need to make sure you write the menu command exactly how it is written.  
>>> Show in Finder, capitalise the S & F.  I chose control-s.  I tested it out 
>>> with music & tones, worked great!  :)
>>> 
>>> If I can think of another free command, I might do the same for show in 
>>> iTunes store.
>>> 
>>> Traci
>>> 
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Re: What would you all like to see in scripts to speak system status?

[BBS]

Hi Nick. I'm very interested in that battery script. Could you send it to me? 
Where do I install it when I get it? Also, for iTunes, you all do realize that 
there are apps you can purchase from the app store that do what you want it to. 
For example, I have this app called SpeakMyTunes which speaks the name of the 
song, the artist, and the album. It also works for the radio stations inside 
iTunes. I can't remember though if it was free or if I had to pay for it. If I 
had to pay for it, I think it was around $0.99. I hope that helps.

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Re: Created keyboard shortcut in iTunes

[Traci]

Lookie there!  Thanks!

I took away the one I created and will use the natural shortcut.  :)

So is there one for show in iTunes store and I'm missing it?

Thanks,
Traci
On May 26, 2013, at 11:04 AM, "Red.Falcon"  
wrote:

> Ok I'm only guessing but that might be because you've set up your own!
> But in the file menu do you not have anything written!
> Mine clearly says command+shift+r!
> I'm in classic view so do not know if that makes a difference!
> Colin
> 
> On 26 May 2013, at 18:52, Traci  wrote:
> 
>> Did you say command-shift-r?  That isn't doing anything for me.
>> 
>> I'm going to try the dash thing.  Right now I have a shortcut for the make 
>> rinsable script, but I need to hit go-m first.
>> 
>> Traci
>> On May 26, 2013, at 10:18 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, I love that trick. I usually use ctrl-shift, since mac apps rarely use 
>>> control for anything, and more rarely still do they use control and shift. 
>>> I shy away from just control because it has a lot of uses in text documents 
>>> (ctrl-t to transpose, ctrl-d, ctrl-a, and more). I know iTunes has no 
>>> documents as such, but I like to organise my commands so that any custom 
>>> ones will have the same modifiers if I can help it. Also, if you want to 
>>> add a command in a submenu (as often happens in the Type2Phone app), 
>>> separate the menu names with -> (dash greater than) and no spaces. I think 
>>> it is just greater than in 10.6 and earlier, if I remember the forum post I 
>>> found correctly.
>>> 
>>> On May 26, 2013, at 12:57 PM, Traci  wrote:
>>> 
 Hello all,
 
 I find myself using the menu command "Show in Finder" often.  I thought 
 I'd try to make a keyboard shortcut to it, and success, works like a charm.
 
 I went to system pref, keyboard, keyboard shortcuts, then found 
 applications/iTunes.  When you add a new shortcut for a menu command, you 
 need to make sure you write the menu command exactly how it is written.  
 Show in Finder, capitalise the S & F.  I chose control-s.  I tested it out 
 with music & tones, worked great!  :)
 
 If I can think of another free command, I might do the same for show in 
 iTunes store.
 
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Running Linux software

[Brandt]

Hi there folks,

I would like to run xBoard, a linux based chess application on my mac. Is there 
any way to do this without having to use a Virtual machine?

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Re: What would you all like to see in scripts to speak system status?

[Gavin Grundlingh]

Is there any built-in command  to have VoiceOver read what is currently on the 
clipboard? If not, this may also be something to look at working into a script. 
Also, now that third party menu bar items are accessible, would it be possible 
to write one for the Dropbox icon?

Regards,

Gavin

On 26 May 2013, at 1:21 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

Thanks for all the ideas. Again, I don't know what will and won't be possible, 
but reminders and calendar is a good thought. I once tried to write a script to 
get the next calendar appointment, but Calendar doesn't support that natively 
and recurring appointments throw it way off, so I abandoned the project for 
now. Getting today's appointments and reminders may be easier, though.

As to battery, my script will probably do what the other one does, except that 
you can customize it using the template. Want the time left first? No problem. 
Percentage first? Go for it! AC adapter status last, or gone altogether? Just 
set your template that way. Same for date and time - if you want them separate, 
just copy the script and make the two templates different, then rename one to 
"say time" and one to "say date", or whatever names you want.

As to music, I do like the idea of integrating with iTunes. I see that Radium 
is scriptable, but there's no documentation - you must have to buy the program 
first. Unfortunately, since I'd never use it, I can't see myself buying it. If 
someone wants to send me the app's SDEF file, or even make the script to get 
the information themselves, contact me off-list. I know iTunes is scriptable, 
and I'll also look into VLC. Hopefully, the script will just use whichever 
supported media player is open so you'll only need one script for getting the 
current track.
On May 26, 2013, at 2:36 AM, Nicholas Parsons  
wrote:

> Hi Alex,
> 
> This is a fantastic project you're doing. Thanks for your time and effort as 
> it will benefit many.
> 
> RE time, would it be possible to separate the date and time, so we could have 
> one key for the time and another for date?
> 
> Wifi and RAM usage you've already mentioned, and I reckon they're great ideas.
> 
> There's already a freely available script for battery status. I have it on my 
> MacBook. It's fantastic.
> 
> One that I'd really like, is for the name and artist of the currently playing 
> song in iTunes.
> 
> Another idea might be for the sound output device. I usually just pop up to 
> Audio Switcher in the extras menu, but I guess a simple keystroke would be 
> easier.
> 
> Other ideas might be related to Calendar, Reminders or Notification Center. A 
> key press to see how many items/badges there are in Reminders, or to read out 
> today's reminders. Or one to read out today's Calendar events. Or To read out 
> Notification Center alerts. I'm not exactly sure what, if anything, related 
> to this kind of thing would be possible with Apple Scripts, so can't give too 
> much more information. But hopefully with that encouragement your innovative 
> spirit can run wild. Basically, I like Calendar and Reminders so something to 
> let me know what I need to do and when would be great.
> 
> Look forward to hearing more on your progress.
> 
> Nic
> 
> 
> On 26/05/2013, at 9:03 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Ah, got it. Well, that depends on whether or not Radium has an Applescript 
> dictionary. Is it a free app so I can test it, and/or can someone send me the 
> SDEF file for it, assuming it has one?
> On May 25, 2013, at 7:01 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> radium is a internet radio app.  like ootunes or tuneIn on IOS.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On May 25, 2013, at 5:11 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Sorry, what's Radium? Is it a media player, or does it integrate with 
>>> iTunes or some other player?
>>> On May 25, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Rod Skene  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Alex, I have radium in the extras menu. When I go to the menu bar, I 
 can check the song title and artist. Can you do a script so it will read 
 the information from radium that is in the extras menu? Thanks, Rod
 
 Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse any errors.
 
 On 25/05/2013, at 6:20 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
 
> Hi Alex,
> 
> This is great work.  Thanks for putting in the time and effort.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On May 25, 2013, at 12:11 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> I'm going to send out a link to a zip file when I'm all done with 
>> everything - right now, though the four I have are working properly, I'd 
>> consider this to still be in alpha testing. It shouldn't be too long, 
>> though.
>> 
>> Bluetooth is one thing I considered, but had not looked into. I'll do 
>> that and see if it is possible. Volume is really simple, though - 

Re: Running Linux software

[Chris H]

I suppose since Os X is Unix based, it may be possible to run Linux 
software via Terminal.



Chris

On 26/05/2013 20:00, Brandt wrote:

Hi there folks,

I would like to run xBoard, a linux based chess application on my mac. Is there 
any way to do this without having to use a Virtual machine?

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

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Re: Running Linux software

[Gavin Grundlingh]

You could see if MacPorts has an equivalent to what you're looking for. I 
downloaded Keka through MacPorts not so long ago, and it works flawlessly.

Regards,

Gavin

On 26 May 2013, at 9:37 PM, Chris H  wrote:

I suppose since Os X is Unix based, it may be possible to run Linux software 
via Terminal.


Chris

On 26/05/2013 20:00, Brandt wrote:
> Hi there folks,
> 
> I would like to run xBoard, a linux based chess application on my mac. Is 
> there any way to do this without having to use a Virtual machine?
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> Brandt Steenkamp
> 
> Sent from my macbook pro
> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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Can Apple TV Pull Content From a NAS

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Hi All,

Does anyone know, can an Apple TV pull content from a NAS on a local network? 
Either by providing the Apple TV in some manner the IP address, folder share 
and user credentials of the share so that it can scan the folder, or, by 
enabling iTunes Server which is a feature of my NAS.

iTunes Server is not the same as Home Sharing as found in iTunes the 
application.

Any thoughts much appriciated… Essentually what I want to do is use something 
like Apple TV to stream content from a share on my NAS rather than having to 
push to it from iTunes or an iOS device.

thanks.



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Re: Running Linux software

[rashantha de silva]

This is the scenario in which we decided to create projectQ.
Runs Any OS you choose.

http://quocomputer.com
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/quo/projectq-run-any-os-the-unique-motherboard

Hope you don't mind the plug. We are looking at developing turnkey systems for 
niche markets. If there are people that developers or even people that have 
suggestion/ideas to contribute please do so.


On May 26, 2013, at 12:40 PM, Gavin Grundlingh wrote:

> You could see if MacPorts has an equivalent to what you're looking for. I 
> downloaded Keka through MacPorts not so long ago, and it works flawlessly.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gavin
> 
> On 26 May 2013, at 9:37 PM, Chris H  wrote:
> 
> I suppose since Os X is Unix based, it may be possible to run Linux software 
> via Terminal.
> 
> 
> Chris
> 
> On 26/05/2013 20:00, Brandt wrote:
>> Hi there folks,
>> 
>> I would like to run xBoard, a linux based chess application on my mac. Is 
>> there any way to do this without having to use a Virtual machine?
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> 
>> Brandt Steenkamp
>> 
>> Sent from my macbook pro
>> 
>> Contact me:
>> 
>> Mobile/iMessage/WatsApp: +27781205013
>> 
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VoiceOver Compatible Download Manager

[Gavin Grundlingh]

Hi all,

Has anyone on this list found a download manager/accelerator that works well 
with VoiceOver? So far, I've tried iGetter and Progressive Download. I love 
Progressive Downloader, but am experiencing excessive lag with VoiceOver when 
adding a new download task. Also, I can't seem to get browser integration to 
work. Is this normal? Should I be using a different app?

Regards,

Gavin Grundlingh
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Re: What would you all like to see in scripts to speak system status?

[Alex Hall]

The clipboard is actually really simple, I just didn't think of it, or that 
anyone would want it. I'll play with that and see how it works with things like 
files or folders, not just text, and see if it is workable. I'll also look into 
Drobpox - that's a great idea.
On May 26, 2013, at 3:27 PM, Gavin Grundlingh  wrote:

> Is there any built-in command  to have VoiceOver read what is currently on 
> the clipboard? If not, this may also be something to look at working into a 
> script. Also, now that third party menu bar items are accessible, would it be 
> possible to write one for the Dropbox icon?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gavin
> 
> On 26 May 2013, at 1:21 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for all the ideas. Again, I don't know what will and won't be 
> possible, but reminders and calendar is a good thought. I once tried to write 
> a script to get the next calendar appointment, but Calendar doesn't support 
> that natively and recurring appointments throw it way off, so I abandoned the 
> project for now. Getting today's appointments and reminders may be easier, 
> though.
> 
> As to battery, my script will probably do what the other one does, except 
> that you can customize it using the template. Want the time left first? No 
> problem. Percentage first? Go for it! AC adapter status last, or gone 
> altogether? Just set your template that way. Same for date and time - if you 
> want them separate, just copy the script and make the two templates 
> different, then rename one to "say time" and one to "say date", or whatever 
> names you want.
> 
> As to music, I do like the idea of integrating with iTunes. I see that Radium 
> is scriptable, but there's no documentation - you must have to buy the 
> program first. Unfortunately, since I'd never use it, I can't see myself 
> buying it. If someone wants to send me the app's SDEF file, or even make the 
> script to get the information themselves, contact me off-list. I know iTunes 
> is scriptable, and I'll also look into VLC. Hopefully, the script will just 
> use whichever supported media player is open so you'll only need one script 
> for getting the current track.
> On May 26, 2013, at 2:36 AM, Nicholas Parsons  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Alex,
>> 
>> This is a fantastic project you're doing. Thanks for your time and effort as 
>> it will benefit many.
>> 
>> RE time, would it be possible to separate the date and time, so we could 
>> have one key for the time and another for date?
>> 
>> Wifi and RAM usage you've already mentioned, and I reckon they're great 
>> ideas.
>> 
>> There's already a freely available script for battery status. I have it on 
>> my MacBook. It's fantastic.
>> 
>> One that I'd really like, is for the name and artist of the currently 
>> playing song in iTunes.
>> 
>> Another idea might be for the sound output device. I usually just pop up to 
>> Audio Switcher in the extras menu, but I guess a simple keystroke would be 
>> easier.
>> 
>> Other ideas might be related to Calendar, Reminders or Notification Center. 
>> A key press to see how many items/badges there are in Reminders, or to read 
>> out today's reminders. Or one to read out today's Calendar events. Or To 
>> read out Notification Center alerts. I'm not exactly sure what, if anything, 
>> related to this kind of thing would be possible with Apple Scripts, so can't 
>> give too much more information. But hopefully with that encouragement your 
>> innovative spirit can run wild. Basically, I like Calendar and Reminders so 
>> something to let me know what I need to do and when would be great.
>> 
>> Look forward to hearing more on your progress.
>> 
>> Nic
>> 
>> 
>> On 26/05/2013, at 9:03 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> Ah, got it. Well, that depends on whether or not Radium has an Applescript 
>> dictionary. Is it a free app so I can test it, and/or can someone send me 
>> the SDEF file for it, assuming it has one?
>> On May 25, 2013, at 7:01 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> radium is a internet radio app.  like ootunes or tuneIn on IOS.
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>> 
>>> On May 25, 2013, at 5:11 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 Sorry, what's Radium? Is it a media player, or does it integrate with 
 iTunes or some other player?
 On May 25, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Rod Skene  wrote:
 
> Hi Alex, I have radium in the extras menu. When I go to the menu bar, I 
> can check the song title and artist. Can you do a script so it will read 
> the information from radium that is in the extras menu? Thanks, Rod
> 
> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse any errors.
> 
> On 25/05/2013, at 6:20 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Alex,
>> 
>> This is great work.  Thanks for putting in the time and effort.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.inf

Re: VO improvements in the next update

[Kerri]

The link does work but you red to pick the article you wish to rad.
On 2013-05-26, at 7:36 AM, Brandt  wrote:

> The link seems to be useless. Even googled the link and no go.
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> Brandt Steenkamp
> 
> Sent from my macbook pro
> 
> Contact me:
> 
> Mobile/iMessage/WatsApp: +27781205013
> 
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> 
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> Extension 512
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> Extension 170
> 
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> 
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> 
> On 26 May 2013, at 2:02 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm very glad to forward this link to you. A little tiny line says, the next 
>> update is gonna bring improvements for VoiceOver for word processing and PDF.
>> 
>> http://macdailynews.com/2013/05/25/apples-os-x-10-8-4-to-deliver-wifi-compatibility-facetime-fix-802-11ac-and-more/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+wordpress/xhfA+(MacDailyNews)
>>  
>> 
>> Isn't that great? I Hope this will fix the pdf issues in Preview and - who 
>> knows - bring tables compatibility to VO. Let's dream big! :-)
>> That shows to me how important it is to send bug reports to
>> accessibil...@apple.com.
>> 
>> All the best
>> Jürgen
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Need help finding an encoder.

[Chris Gilland]

I have a bit of a predicament.

I need to find an encoder that will allow me to encode, not keeping the 
original source files, that will take a standard AVI formatted movie file, and 
will reencode those files into a format which can be played by both iTunes and 
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I probably have in the neighborhood of a few hundred that I need to do, which 
spans over about 35.01 gigs of data.  I really don't want to have to browse 
for, and do this on an individual file per file basis.  It's gonna take long 
enough as is, just to do this all in one shebang, let alone doing them all 
individually.

The ultimate goal here is to be able to play these files both on my mac mini, 
as well as be able to watch them in my bedroom on my Apple TV.

Your help would be very gratefully accepted.

Thank you tremendously.

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Re: VO improvements in the next update

[Michael Marshall]

i would love in the next update if VO would stop giving that stupid 1 row added 
message really i would give anything.

Michael
On 27/05/2013, at 12:36 AM, Brandt  wrote:

> The link seems to be useless. Even googled the link and no go.
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> Brandt Steenkamp
> 
> Sent from my macbook pro
> 
> Contact me:
> 
> Mobile/iMessage/WatsApp: +27781205013
> 
> Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com
> 
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>  +(1)760-5140161  
> Extension 512
> Cape Town, South Africa
>   +(27)213-002317  
> Extension 161
> Johannesburg, South Africa
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> Extension 170
> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
> On 26 May 2013, at 2:02 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm very glad to forward this link to you. A little tiny line says, the next 
>> update is gonna bring improvements for VoiceOver for word processing and PDF.
>> 
>> http://macdailynews.com/2013/05/25/apples-os-x-10-8-4-to-deliver-wifi-compatibility-facetime-fix-802-11ac-and-more/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+wordpress/xhfA+(MacDailyNews)
>>  
>> 
>> Isn't that great? I Hope this will fix the pdf issues in Preview and - who 
>> knows - bring tables compatibility to VO. Let's dream big! :-)
>> That shows to me how important it is to send bug reports to
>> accessibil...@apple.com.
>> 
>> All the best
>> Jürgen
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Re: Need help finding an encoder.

[Alex Hall]

Why not use Handbrake? It's free, and a quick Google search suggests that is 
supports AVI as input. It can, to my knowledge, handle batch jobs, so you 
should be set there as well.
On May 26, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:

> I have a bit of a predicament.
> 
> I need to find an encoder that will allow me to encode, not keeping the 
> original source files, that will take a standard AVI formatted movie file, 
> and will reencode those files into a format which can be played by both 
> iTunes and by my Apple TV.  I need something that will convert these files in 
> a batch, as I probably have in the neighborhood of a few hundred that I need 
> to do, which spans over about 35.01 gigs of data.  I really don't want to 
> have to browse for, and do this on an individual file per file basis.  It's 
> gonna take long enough as is, just to do this all in one shebang, let alone 
> doing them all individually.
> 
> The ultimate goal here is to be able to play these files both on my mac mini, 
> as well as be able to watch them in my bedroom on my Apple TV.
> 
> Your help would be very gratefully accepted.
> 
> Thank you tremendously.
> 
> Chris.
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Re: VO improvements in the next update

[Harry Hogue]

Do we know what the word processing updates will be or when this update will 
come out?

Harry

On May 26, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Michael Marshall  wrote:

> i would love in the next update if VO would stop giving that stupid 1 row 
> added message really i would give anything.
> 
> Michael
> On 27/05/2013, at 12:36 AM, Brandt  wrote:
> 
>> The link seems to be useless. Even googled the link and no go.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> 
>> Brandt Steenkamp
>> 
>> Sent from my macbook pro
>> 
>> Contact me:
>> 
>> Mobile/iMessage/WatsApp: +27781205013
>> 
>> Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com
>> 
>> My ring to Skype:
>> California, United States
>> +(1)760-5140161  
>> Extension 512
>> Cape Town, South Africa
>>  +(27)213-002317  
>> Extension 161
>> Johannesburg, South Africa
>> +(27)105-002316
>> Extension 170
>> 
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>> 
>> SIP: 5500...@spokn.com
>> 
>> Twitter: brandtsteenkamp
>> 
>> On 26 May 2013, at 2:02 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I'm very glad to forward this link to you. A little tiny line says, the 
>>> next update is gonna bring improvements for VoiceOver for word processing 
>>> and PDF.
>>> 
>>> http://macdailynews.com/2013/05/25/apples-os-x-10-8-4-to-deliver-wifi-compatibility-facetime-fix-802-11ac-and-more/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+wordpress/xhfA+(MacDailyNews)
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Isn't that great? I Hope this will fix the pdf issues in Preview and - who 
>>> knows - bring tables compatibility to VO. Let's dream big! :-)
>>> That shows to me how important it is to send bug reports to
>>> accessibil...@apple.com.
>>> 
>>> All the best
>>> Jürgen
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Re: VO improvements in the next update

[Alex Hall]

We don't even know if the article is correct. It is possible that those notes 
were from some developer spilling the beans and posting the update list from a 
10.8.4 beta, but that's the point: it's a beta. As to when it will come out, it 
could be months yet, no one knows. The last update (10.8.3) went through 13 
betas before it was released, and this one has had four or six, I can't 
remember. Yes, it could be out tomorrow, but it could as easily be quite a 
while, that's just how Apple works.

That said, I can't wait, and I really hope the update includes the improvements 
they said. I think text works well, but PDF reading is horrible, so I hope they 
fix that. The only thing I can think of in terms of text is table support, 
which would be a very welcomed addition to VO.
On May 26, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Harry Hogue  wrote:

> Do we know what the word processing updates will be or when this update will 
> come out?
> 
> Harry
> 
> On May 26, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
>> i would love in the next update if VO would stop giving that stupid 1 row 
>> added message really i would give anything.
>> 
>> Michael
>> On 27/05/2013, at 12:36 AM, Brandt  wrote:
>> 
>>> The link seems to be useless. Even googled the link and no go.
>>> 
>>> Warm regards,
>>> 
>>> Brandt Steenkamp
>>> 
>>> Sent from my macbook pro
>>> 
>>> Contact me:
>>> 
>>> Mobile/iMessage/WatsApp: +27781205013
>>> 
>>> Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> My ring to Skype:
>>> California, United States
>>> +(1)760-5140161  
>>> Extension 512
>>> Cape Town, South Africa
>>> +(27)213-002317  
>>> Extension 161
>>> Johannesburg, South Africa
>>> +(27)105-002316
>>> Extension 170
>>> 
>>> Skype: Brandt.steenkamp007
>>> 
>>> SIP: 5500...@spokn.com
>>> 
>>> Twitter: brandtsteenkamp
>>> 
>>> On 26 May 2013, at 2:02 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 I'm very glad to forward this link to you. A little tiny line says, the 
 next update is gonna bring improvements for VoiceOver for word processing 
 and PDF.
 
 http://macdailynews.com/2013/05/25/apples-os-x-10-8-4-to-deliver-wifi-compatibility-facetime-fix-802-11ac-and-more/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+wordpress/xhfA+(MacDailyNews)
  
 
 Isn't that great? I Hope this will fix the pdf issues in Preview and - who 
 knows - bring tables compatibility to VO. Let's dream big! :-)
 That shows to me how important it is to send bug reports to
 accessibil...@apple.com.
 
 All the best
 Jürgen
 
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Re: VO improvements in the next update

[Kerri]

I would greatly appreciate the one row added be eliminated or chafed to how 
many messages are added instead of rows. The article did not state when the 
update was to arrive nor what it included.
On 2013-05-26, at 2:03 PM, Harry Hogue  wrote:

> Do we know what the word processing updates will be or when this update will 
> come out?
> 
> Harry
> 
> On May 26, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
>> i would love in the next update if VO would stop giving that stupid 1 row 
>> added message really i would give anything.
>> 
>> Michael
>> On 27/05/2013, at 12:36 AM, Brandt  wrote:
>> 
>>> The link seems to be useless. Even googled the link and no go.
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> On 26 May 2013, at 2:02 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 I'm very glad to forward this link to you. A little tiny line says, the 
 next update is gonna bring improvements for VoiceOver for word processing 
 and PDF.
 
 http://macdailynews.com/2013/05/25/apples-os-x-10-8-4-to-deliver-wifi-compatibility-facetime-fix-802-11ac-and-more/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+wordpress/xhfA+(MacDailyNews)
  
 
 Isn't that great? I Hope this will fix the pdf issues in Preview and - who 
 knows - bring tables compatibility to VO. Let's dream big! :-)
 That shows to me how important it is to send bug reports to
 accessibil...@apple.com.
 
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Re: VO improvements in the next update

[Harry Hogue]

Alex, those are good points.  i would also love to see support for track 
changes in Pages.

Harry

On May 26, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> We don't even know if the article is correct. It is possible that those notes 
> were from some developer spilling the beans and posting the update list from 
> a 10.8.4 beta, but that's the point: it's a beta. As to when it will come 
> out, it could be months yet, no one knows. The last update (10.8.3) went 
> through 13 betas before it was released, and this one has had four or six, I 
> can't remember. Yes, it could be out tomorrow, but it could as easily be 
> quite a while, that's just how Apple works.
> 
> That said, I can't wait, and I really hope the update includes the 
> improvements they said. I think text works well, but PDF reading is horrible, 
> so I hope they fix that. The only thing I can think of in terms of text is 
> table support, which would be a very welcomed addition to VO.
> On May 26, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Harry Hogue  wrote:
> 
>> Do we know what the word processing updates will be or when this update will 
>> come out?
>> 
>> Harry
>> 
>> On May 26, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Michael Marshall  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> i would love in the next update if VO would stop giving that stupid 1 row 
>>> added message really i would give anything.
>>> 
>>> Michael
>>> On 27/05/2013, at 12:36 AM, Brandt  wrote:
>>> 
 The link seems to be useless. Even googled the link and no go.
 
 Warm regards,
 
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 On 26 May 2013, at 2:02 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm very glad to forward this link to you. A little tiny line says, the 
> next update is gonna bring improvements for VoiceOver for word processing 
> and PDF.
> 
> http://macdailynews.com/2013/05/25/apples-os-x-10-8-4-to-deliver-wifi-compatibility-facetime-fix-802-11ac-and-more/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+wordpress/xhfA+(MacDailyNews)
>  
> 
> Isn't that great? I Hope this will fix the pdf issues in Preview and - 
> who knows - bring tables compatibility to VO. Let's dream big! :-)
> That shows to me how important it is to send bug reports to
> accessibil...@apple.com.
> 
> All the best
> Jürgen
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great newspaper app

[shane christenson]

Hi, listers. For those of you who enjoy reading newspapers, here's a great app 
for the Idevices, called EARL. It is available in the U S app store, but don't 
know about anywhere else. It gives you access to over 250 local and national 
newspapers, and speaks in 5 different male and female voices. The app itself is 
free, but you can subscribe to the earl service for $9.99 a month, or $99.00 a 
year, for unlimited access to newspaper articles. With the non-subscription 
version, you can only read 3 articles a day. This beats any other newspaper app 
I've ever seen for the Idevices. I think the subscription price is well worth 
the money. When searching for the app, at least in the U S app store, it is the 
first or second in the list of search results. Take care all, and have a happy 
and safe Memorial Day.

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Re: great newspaper app

[Kerri]

Hi, all. Does anon know of a good app that includes Canadian newspapers besides 
Earl which I already hav.
On 2013-05-26, at 2:49 PM, shane christenson  wrote:

> Hi, listers. For those of you who enjoy reading newspapers, here's a great 
> app for the Idevices, called EARL. It is available in the U S app store, but 
> don't know about anywhere else. It gives you access to over 250 local and 
> national newspapers, and speaks in 5 different male and female voices. The 
> app itself is free, but you can subscribe to the earl service for $9.99 a 
> month, or $99.00 a year, for unlimited access to newspaper articles. With the 
> non-subscription version, you can only read 3 articles a day. This beats any 
> other newspaper app I've ever seen for the Idevices. I think the subscription 
> price is well worth the money. When searching for the app, at least in the U 
> S app store, it is the first or second in the list of search results. Take 
> care all, and have a happy and safe Memorial Day.
> 
> Shane
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VoiceOver Preferences and Sharing Programs Between Accounts

[Harry Hogue]

hello all,

I have a couple of unrelated questions.

First, does anyone know if it is possible to set voiceover preferences and then 
send these preferences to someone else so they can then use them in their own 
VoiceOver settings?  I have a friend who uses VoiceOver, but lives half way 
around the world, so it would be better to e-mail a settings file to him.  
Although I could explain how to adjust settings for application menu short cuts 
and so forth, it would be much quicker if I could set these myself and then 
send him a file that he could simply put in a specific place.  Then he could 
use the preferences I have set, including application short uts, pronunciation 
preferences, etc.

My other question has to do with my own computer.  I have two accounts -- one 
for personal use and another for professional uses.  Is there a way to share my 
virtual machine Windows between these two accounts?  Right now when I go to the 
other account and VMWare Fusion, it welcomes me to VMWare and aks me to eitehr 
load a VM or install a VM, etc.  If possible, I would like Windows on the VM on 
the professional account to mirror the contents of my professional account, 
meaning any files on my Desktop, etc.  I can't imagine much I would need the VM 
on my professional account for expect for maybe Excel, MS Word, and the like, 
but I would like to have the option.  So is there anyway of doing this without 
completely reinstalling Windows?

Thanks,

Harry

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Re: Running Linux software

[Scott Berry]

Is there a Mac application for xboard.



On 5/26/13 13:37, Chris H wrote:
I suppose since Os X is Unix based, it may be possible to run Linux 
software via Terminal.



Chris

On 26/05/2013 20:00, Brandt wrote:

Hi there folks,

I would like to run xBoard, a linux based chess application on my 
mac. Is there any way to do this without having to use a Virtual 
machine?


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Re: Can Apple TV Pull Content From a NAS

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I believe that the Apple TV requires Home Sharing to be able to pull things 
from the local network.  Music and other media that is purchased through Apple 
and thus stored in iCloud can also be streamed to the Apple TV but I'm pretty 
sure that regular sharing is not compatible due to the method of sharing.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2013-05-26, at 1:43 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> Does anyone know, can an Apple TV pull content from a NAS on a local network? 
> Either by providing the Apple TV in some manner the IP address, folder share 
> and user credentials of the share so that it can scan the folder, or, by 
> enabling iTunes Server which is a feature of my NAS.
> 
> iTunes Server is not the same as Home Sharing as found in iTunes the 
> application.
> 
> Any thoughts much appriciated… Essentually what I want to do is use something 
> like Apple TV to stream content from a share on my NAS rather than having to 
> push to it from iTunes or an iOS device.
> 
> thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
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> 
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> 
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> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
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Re: VO improvements in the next update

[Chris Gilland]

That isn't stupid.  Frankly, I'm really glad it does that.  If it didn't how 
else would you know that a table of items was populating?


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Marshall" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: VO improvements in the next update


i would love in the next update if VO would stop giving that stupid 1 row 
added message really i would give anything.


Michael
On 27/05/2013, at 12:36 AM, Brandt  wrote:


The link seems to be useless. Even googled the link and no go.

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On 26 May 2013, at 2:02 PM, Jürgen Fleger  
wrote:



Hi,

I'm very glad to forward this link to you. A little tiny line says, the 
next update is gonna bring improvements for VoiceOver for word processing 
and PDF.


http://macdailynews.com/2013/05/25/apples-os-x-10-8-4-to-deliver-wifi-compatibility-facetime-fix-802-11ac-and-more/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+wordpress/xhfA+(MacDailyNews)

Isn't that great? I Hope this will fix the pdf issues in Preview and - 
who knows - bring tables compatibility to VO. Let's dream big! :-)

That shows to me how important it is to send bug reports to
accessibil...@apple.com.

All the best
Jürgen

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Re: Need help finding an encoder.

[Chris Gilland]

Wow, Very! bnice!

I didn't know handbreak would convert from one movie format to another.  I 
thought it only ripped DVD's.  If that is the case, that it'll even 
re-encode video files from one format to another, then I definitely! will 
give it a try, as I've been meaning to get a copy of it anyway for other 
reasons.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Alex Hall" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: Need help finding an encoder.


Why not use Handbrake? It's free, and a quick Google search suggests that is 
supports AVI as input. It can, to my knowledge, handle batch jobs, so you 
should be set there as well.

On May 26, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:


I have a bit of a predicament.

I need to find an encoder that will allow me to encode, not keeping the 
original source files, that will take a standard AVI formatted movie file, 
and will reencode those files into a format which can be played by both 
iTunes and by my Apple TV.  I need something that will convert these files 
in a batch, as I probably have in the neighborhood of a few hundred that I 
need to do, which spans over about 35.01 gigs of data.  I really don't 
want to have to browse for, and do this on an individual file per file 
basis.  It's gonna take long enough as is, just to do this all in one 
shebang, let alone doing them all individually.


The ultimate goal here is to be able to play these files both on my mac 
mini, as well as be able to watch them in my bedroom on my Apple TV.


Your help would be very gratefully accepted.

Thank you tremendously.

Chris.

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Re: VO improvements in the next update

[Chris Gilland]

Harry,

Usually, major Vo updates seem to get released with the new versions of OSX. 
those generally are every July.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Harry Hogue" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: VO improvements in the next update


Do we know what the word processing updates will be or when this update will 
come out?


Harry

On May 26, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Michael Marshall  
wrote:


i would love in the next update if VO would stop giving that stupid 1 row 
added message really i would give anything.


Michael
On 27/05/2013, at 12:36 AM, Brandt  wrote:


The link seems to be useless. Even googled the link and no go.

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

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On 26 May 2013, at 2:02 PM, Jürgen Fleger  
wrote:



Hi,

I'm very glad to forward this link to you. A little tiny line says, the 
next update is gonna bring improvements for VoiceOver for word 
processing and PDF.


http://macdailynews.com/2013/05/25/apples-os-x-10-8-4-to-deliver-wifi-compatibility-facetime-fix-802-11ac-and-more/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+wordpress/xhfA+(MacDailyNews)

Isn't that great? I Hope this will fix the pdf issues in Preview and - 
who knows - bring tables compatibility to VO. Let's dream big! :-)

That shows to me how important it is to send bug reports to
accessibil...@apple.com.

All the best
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Re: VO improvements in the next update

[Chris Gilland]

I've missed the initial message with the link to the article, my apologies, 
but would someone be so kind to send it to me?


Thanks in advance.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Alex Hall" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: VO improvements in the next update


We don't even know if the article is correct. It is possible that those 
notes were from some developer spilling the beans and posting the update 
list from a 10.8.4 beta, but that's the point: it's a beta. As to when it 
will come out, it could be months yet, no one knows. The last update 
(10.8.3) went through 13 betas before it was released, and this one has had 
four or six, I can't remember. Yes, it could be out tomorrow, but it could 
as easily be quite a while, that's just how Apple works.


That said, I can't wait, and I really hope the update includes the 
improvements they said. I think text works well, but PDF reading is 
horrible, so I hope they fix that. The only thing I can think of in terms of 
text is table support, which would be a very welcomed addition to VO.

On May 26, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Harry Hogue  wrote:

Do we know what the word processing updates will be or when this update 
will come out?


Harry

On May 26, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Michael Marshall  
wrote:


i would love in the next update if VO would stop giving that stupid 1 row 
added message really i would give anything.


Michael
On 27/05/2013, at 12:36 AM, Brandt  wrote:


The link seems to be useless. Even googled the link and no go.

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On 26 May 2013, at 2:02 PM, Jürgen Fleger  
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Hi,

I'm very glad to forward this link to you. A little tiny line says, the 
next update is gonna bring improvements for VoiceOver for word 
processing and PDF.


http://macdailynews.com/2013/05/25/apples-os-x-10-8-4-to-deliver-wifi-compatibility-facetime-fix-802-11ac-and-more/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+wordpress/xhfA+(MacDailyNews)

Isn't that great? I Hope this will fix the pdf issues in Preview and - 
who knows - bring tables compatibility to VO. Let's dream big! :-)

That shows to me how important it is to send bug reports to
accessibil...@apple.com.

All the best
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Re: great newspaper app

[Chris Gilland]

OK, is this for I O S, or is this literally for OSX?

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "shane christenson" 

To: ; 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 5:49 PM
Subject: great newspaper app


Hi, listers. For those of you who enjoy reading newspapers, here's a great 
app for the Idevices, called EARL. It is available in the U S app store, but 
don't know about anywhere else. It gives you access to over 250 local and 
national newspapers, and speaks in 5 different male and female voices. The 
app itself is free, but you can subscribe to the earl service for $9.99 a 
month, or $99.00 a year, for unlimited access to newspaper articles. With 
the non-subscription version, you can only read 3 articles a day. This beats 
any other newspaper app I've ever seen for the Idevices. I think the 
subscription price is well worth the money. When searching for the app, at 
least in the U S app store, it is the first or second in the list of search 
results. Take care all, and have a happy and safe Memorial Day.


Shane

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Re: Running Linux software

[Chris Gilland]

Yes, and no on the assumptions of running Linux software.

Yes, it can be done, but there are! some porting modifications on the back 
end that have to be done/met.


This said, a good place to start is:

http://www.macports.com

It's a little bit tricky getting all the dependencies to make it work, but 
once you get them, it works like a dream.  Granted, there are only certain 
apps which've been ported, but the number of available macports apps is 
quite large, and is growing quite quickly.


Chris.
- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Berry" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: Running Linux software



Is there a Mac application for xboard.



On 5/26/13 13:37, Chris H wrote:
I suppose since Os X is Unix based, it may be possible to run Linux 
software via Terminal.



Chris

On 26/05/2013 20:00, Brandt wrote:

Hi there folks,

I would like to run xBoard, a linux based chess application on my mac. 
Is there any way to do this without having to use a Virtual machine?


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Re: VoiceOver Preferences and Sharing Programs Between Accounts

[Chris Gilland]

Harry, I can't help with the second question, but your first question... 
absolutely!  Just do your vo+F8 like normal, then go to the file menu, and 
there should be an option in there to export your settings.  I can't recall 
if it makes a folder, or just one file, but if it wind up being a folder, 
then just zip it, and then put it up on Sendspece, or Dropbox, etc.


Once they get the file, they'll just do vo+F8, go to the file menu, but 
instead of going to export, obviously, they'll go to import.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Harry Hogue" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 7:09 PM
Subject: VoiceOver Preferences and Sharing Programs Between Accounts


hello all,

I have a couple of unrelated questions.

First, does anyone know if it is possible to set voiceover preferences and 
then send these preferences to someone else so they can then use them in 
their own VoiceOver settings?  I have a friend who uses VoiceOver, but lives 
half way around the world, so it would be better to e-mail a settings file 
to him.  Although I could explain how to adjust settings for application 
menu short cuts and so forth, it would be much quicker if I could set these 
myself and then send him a file that he could simply put in a specific 
place.  Then he could use the preferences I have set, including application 
short uts, pronunciation preferences, etc.


My other question has to do with my own computer.  I have two accounts --  
one for personal use and another for professional uses.  Is there a way to 
share my virtual machine Windows between these two accounts?  Right now when 
I go to the other account and VMWare Fusion, it welcomes me to VMWare and 
aks me to eitehr load a VM or install a VM, etc.  If possible, I would like 
Windows on the VM on the professional account to mirror the contents of my 
professional account, meaning any files on my Desktop, etc.  I can't imagine 
much I would need the VM on my professional account for expect for maybe 
Excel, MS Word, and the like, but I would like to have the option.  So is 
there anyway of doing this without completely reinstalling Windows?


Thanks,

Harry

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"x rows added" message (was VO improvements in the next update)

[Alex Hall]

It is handy. What is frustrating is that it interrupts speech. For instance, I 
use the preview feature of mail to hear a good chunk of a message without 
having to open it. Often, VO will read the sender, subject, and date of the 
message, then start to read that handy preview, then stop to say "1 row added" 
and have to start all over again. I like knowing a new message arrived, but 
Apple should make the feature more customizable, with options to delay speaking 
the message (not interrupt), play a sound, or do nothing. That way, everyone's 
happy: leave it how it is, or choose one of the new options. With activities, 
you could even set the behavior on an app-by-app basis.
On May 26, 2013, at 7:58 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:

> That isn't stupid.  Frankly, I'm really glad it does that.  If it didn't how 
> else would you know that a table of items was populating?
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Michael Marshall" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 4:43 PM
> Subject: Re: VO improvements in the next update
> 
> 
> i would love in the next update if VO would stop giving that stupid 1 row 
> added message really i would give anything.
> 
> Michael
> On 27/05/2013, at 12:36 AM, Brandt  wrote:
> 
>> The link seems to be useless. Even googled the link and no go.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> 
>> Brandt Steenkamp
>> 
>> Sent from my macbook pro
>> 
>> Contact me:
>> 
>> Mobile/iMessage/WatsApp: +27781205013
>> 
>> Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com
>> 
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>> California, United States
>> +(1)760-5140161
>> Extension 512
>> Cape Town, South Africa
>>  +(27)213-002317
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>> Johannesburg, South Africa
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>> Extension 170
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
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>> 
>> On 26 May 2013, at 2:02 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I'm very glad to forward this link to you. A little tiny line says, the 
>>> next update is gonna bring improvements for VoiceOver for word processing 
>>> and PDF.
>>> 
>>> http://macdailynews.com/2013/05/25/apples-os-x-10-8-4-to-deliver-wifi-compatibility-facetime-fix-802-11ac-and-more/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+wordpress/xhfA+(MacDailyNews)
>>> 
>>> Isn't that great? I Hope this will fix the pdf issues in Preview and - who 
>>> knows - bring tables compatibility to VO. Let's dream big! :-)
>>> That shows to me how important it is to send bug reports to
>>> accessibil...@apple.com.
>>> 
>>> All the best
>>> Jürgen
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Deleting audible books

[Christine Olivares]

Hello everyone,
I have a question about the audible app. I returned books over the phone, but 
they are still in my downloads since I have an iPhone. whenever I buy a book, I 
download it to my iPhone. However, when the book is returned to audible, the 
books are still on my phone in the "downloaded" section. any ideas how to 
delete them? When I double tap, it starts playing the book even when it is 
returned.

Thanks for your help and time. god bless.

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Re: VO improvements in the next update

[Brandon Olivares]

Same here. It's a useful feature.

My annoyance is with how Voiceover says words differently depending on its 
context. Sometimes in the midst of a sentence, it'll say the word one way, but 
when read alone, it says it a complete different way. Makes it quite annoying.

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On May 26, 2013, at 7:58 PM, "Chris Gilland"  wrote:

> That isn't stupid.  Frankly, I'm really glad it does that.  If it didn't how 
> else would you know that a table of items was populating?
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Michael Marshall" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 4:43 PM
> Subject: Re: VO improvements in the next update
> 
> 
> i would love in the next update if VO would stop giving that stupid 1 row 
> added message really i would give anything.
> 
> Michael
> On 27/05/2013, at 12:36 AM, Brandt  wrote:
> 
>> The link seems to be useless. Even googled the link and no go.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> 
>> Brandt Steenkamp
>> 
>> Sent from my macbook pro
>> 
>> Contact me:
>> 
>> Mobile/iMessage/WatsApp: +27781205013
>> 
>> Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com
>> 
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>> +(1)760-5140161
>> Extension 512
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>> Extension 170
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
>> On 26 May 2013, at 2:02 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I'm very glad to forward this link to you. A little tiny line says, the 
>>> next update is gonna bring improvements for VoiceOver for word processing 
>>> and PDF.
>>> 
>>> http://macdailynews.com/2013/05/25/apples-os-x-10-8-4-to-deliver-wifi-compatibility-facetime-fix-802-11ac-and-more/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+wordpress/xhfA+(MacDailyNews)
>>> 
>>> Isn't that great? I Hope this will fix the pdf issues in Preview and - who 
>>> knows - bring tables compatibility to VO. Let's dream big! :-)
>>> That shows to me how important it is to send bug reports to
>>> accessibil...@apple.com.
>>> 
>>> All the best
>>> Jürgen
>>> 
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Re: Deleting audible books

[Ray Foret Jr]

First, you don't return books to Audible.  You keep them as long as you want.

Next, in the audible app, there is a delete button just to the left of the 
listing of books.  This delete button is inactive:  but, you activate it by 
pressing it.  Now, you are in a delete mode.  Go through the list and, upon 
finding a book you wish to delete from your phone, press double tap on that 
book.  A confirmatory screen will pop up and ask whether or not you really wish 
to delete that book.  IF you double tap yes, the book will be erased from your 
phone, but, book marks for it will be kept.

HTH.


Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!
Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!

On May 26, 2013, at 7:24 PM, Christine Olivares  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> I have a question about the audible app. I returned books over the phone, but 
> they are still in my downloads since I have an iPhone. whenever I buy a book, 
> I download it to my iPhone. However, when the book is returned to audible, 
> the books are still on my phone in the "downloaded" section. any ideas how to 
> delete them? When I double tap, it starts playing the book even when it is 
> returned.
> 
> Thanks for your help and time. god bless.
> 
> Christine
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Re: "x rows added" message (was VO improvements in the next update)

[Michael Marshall]

hey,

that is what i would love just more options for that message.
On 27/05/2013, at 10:16 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> It is handy. What is frustrating is that it interrupts speech. For instance, 
> I use the preview feature of mail to hear a good chunk of a message without 
> having to open it. Often, VO will read the sender, subject, and date of the 
> message, then start to read that handy preview, then stop to say "1 row 
> added" and have to start all over again. I like knowing a new message 
> arrived, but Apple should make the feature more customizable, with options to 
> delay speaking the message (not interrupt), play a sound, or do nothing. That 
> way, everyone's happy: leave it how it is, or choose one of the new options. 
> With activities, you could even set the behavior on an app-by-app basis.
> On May 26, 2013, at 7:58 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
> 
>> That isn't stupid.  Frankly, I'm really glad it does that.  If it didn't how 
>> else would you know that a table of items was populating?
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Michael Marshall" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 4:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: VO improvements in the next update
>> 
>> 
>> i would love in the next update if VO would stop giving that stupid 1 row 
>> added message really i would give anything.
>> 
>> Michael
>> On 27/05/2013, at 12:36 AM, Brandt  wrote:
>> 
>>> The link seems to be useless. Even googled the link and no go.
>>> 
>>> Warm regards,
>>> 
>>> Brandt Steenkamp
>>> 
>>> Sent from my macbook pro
>>> 
>>> Contact me:
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
>>> On 26 May 2013, at 2:02 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 I'm very glad to forward this link to you. A little tiny line says, the 
 next update is gonna bring improvements for VoiceOver for word processing 
 and PDF.
 
 http://macdailynews.com/2013/05/25/apples-os-x-10-8-4-to-deliver-wifi-compatibility-facetime-fix-802-11ac-and-more/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+wordpress/xhfA+(MacDailyNews)
 
 Isn't that great? I Hope this will fix the pdf issues in Preview and - who 
 knows - bring tables compatibility to VO. Let's dream big! :-)
 That shows to me how important it is to send bug reports to
 accessibil...@apple.com.
 
 All the best
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Re: VO improvements in the next update

[Michael Marshall]

hey Brandon,
i aggree with you in regards to VO and word context it can be verry madening.

Michael
On 27/05/2013, at 10:27 AM, Brandon Olivares  wrote:

> Same here. It's a useful feature.
> 
> My annoyance is with how Voiceover says words differently depending on its 
> context. Sometimes in the midst of a sentence, it'll say the word one way, 
> but when read alone, it says it a complete different way. Makes it quite 
> annoying.
> 
> Regards,
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> On May 26, 2013, at 7:58 PM, "Chris Gilland"  wrote:
> 
>> That isn't stupid.  Frankly, I'm really glad it does that.  If it didn't how 
>> else would you know that a table of items was populating?
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Michael Marshall" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 4:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: VO improvements in the next update
>> 
>> 
>> i would love in the next update if VO would stop giving that stupid 1 row 
>> added message really i would give anything.
>> 
>> Michael
>> On 27/05/2013, at 12:36 AM, Brandt  wrote:
>> 
>>> The link seems to be useless. Even googled the link and no go.
>>> 
>>> Warm regards,
>>> 
>>> Brandt Steenkamp
>>> 
>>> Sent from my macbook pro
>>> 
>>> Contact me:
>>> 
>>> Mobile/iMessage/WatsApp: +27781205013
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> California, United States
>>> +(1)760-5140161
>>> Extension 512
>>> Cape Town, South Africa
>>>  +(27)213-002317
>>> Extension 161
>>> Johannesburg, South Africa
>>> +(27)105-002316
>>> Extension 170
>>> 
>>> Skype: Brandt.steenkamp007
>>> 
>>> SIP: 5500...@spokn.com
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> On 26 May 2013, at 2:02 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 I'm very glad to forward this link to you. A little tiny line says, the 
 next update is gonna bring improvements for VoiceOver for word processing 
 and PDF.
 
 http://macdailynews.com/2013/05/25/apples-os-x-10-8-4-to-deliver-wifi-compatibility-facetime-fix-802-11ac-and-more/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+wordpress/xhfA+(MacDailyNews)
 
 Isn't that great? I Hope this will fix the pdf issues in Preview and - who 
 knows - bring tables compatibility to VO. Let's dream big! :-)
 That shows to me how important it is to send bug reports to
 accessibil...@apple.com.
 
 All the best
 Jürgen
 
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Re: VO improvements in the next update

[Michael Marshall]

if you want to here something interesting with VO get allix to say the word 
will listen to the way he says the word, it's more like wule.

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Re: Deleting audible books

[Brandon Olivares]

You can actually now return books to Audible, if you've purchased that book 
within the last year. It's a new policy they began a few months ago.

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On May 26, 2013, at 8:42 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> First, you don't return books to Audible.  You keep them as long as you want.
> 
> Next, in the audible app, there is a delete button just to the left of the 
> listing of books.  This delete button is inactive:  but, you activate it by 
> pressing it.  Now, you are in a delete mode.  Go through the list and, upon 
> finding a book you wish to delete from your phone, press double tap on that 
> book.  A confirmatory screen will pop up and ask whether or not you really 
> wish to delete that book.  IF you double tap yes, the book will be erased 
> from your phone, but, book marks for it will be kept.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> 
> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
> 
> On May 26, 2013, at 7:24 PM, Christine Olivares  wrote:
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> I have a question about the audible app. I returned books over the phone, 
>> but they are still in my downloads since I have an iPhone. whenever I buy a 
>> book, I download it to my iPhone. However, when the book is returned to 
>> audible, the books are still on my phone in the "downloaded" section. any 
>> ideas how to delete them? When I double tap, it starts playing the book even 
>> when it is returned.
>> 
>> Thanks for your help and time. god bless.
>> 
>> Christine
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Re: Deleting audible books

[Ray Foret Jr]

Ah, didn't know that.  Oh  well.  Anyhow, I still hope my info was helpful.


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built-in!
Sincerely,
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> You can actually now return books to Audible, if you've purchased that book 
> within the last year. It's a new policy they began a few months ago.
> 
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> On May 26, 2013, at 8:42 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> First, you don't return books to Audible.  You keep them as long as you want.
>> 
>> Next, in the audible app, there is a delete button just to the left of the 
>> listing of books.  This delete button is inactive:  but, you activate it by 
>> pressing it.  Now, you are in a delete mode.  Go through the list and, upon 
>> finding a book you wish to delete from your phone, press double tap on that 
>> book.  A confirmatory screen will pop up and ask whether or not you really 
>> wish to delete that book.  IF you double tap yes, the book will be erased 
>> from your phone, but, book marks for it will be kept.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in!
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>> 
>> On May 26, 2013, at 7:24 PM, Christine Olivares  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> I have a question about the audible app. I returned books over the phone, 
>>> but they are still in my downloads since I have an iPhone. whenever I buy a 
>>> book, I download it to my iPhone. However, when the book is returned to 
>>> audible, the books are still on my phone in the "downloaded" section. any 
>>> ideas how to delete them? When I double tap, it starts playing the book 
>>> even when it is returned.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your help and time. god bless.
>>> 
>>> Christine
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Re: great newspaper app

[Phil Halton]

Its for IOS. I just downloaded it and it has alot of possibilities. Its like 
using a phone menu system to dial in on a given newspaper article. You can 
choose between three different newspapers in the free unsubscribed version , 
then individual news sections like world news, local, late breaking etc, 
then the various articles in the section. You use words like back, reread, 
etc to traverse the menu system. Then once you select an article, it is read 
aloud with a very good voice quality.

I like it.

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Re: VO improvements in the next update

[Michael Marshall]

hey,
playing a tone would be mutch better because even when you leve the window with 
the table rows VO still says it and your trying to read and it says 1 row added 
and stops the reading.
it's enough to make you rip your hair out and screem.
what i would love them to do is to make it tell you how many rows have been 
added on request only with a short cut.

Michael
On 27/05/2013, at 9:58 AM, Chris Gilland  wrote:

> That isn't stupid.  Frankly, I'm really glad it does that.  If it didn't how 
> else would you know that a table of items was populating?
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Michael Marshall" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 4:43 PM
> Subject: Re: VO improvements in the next update
> 
> 
> i would love in the next update if VO would stop giving that stupid 1 row 
> added message really i would give anything.
> 
> Michael
> On 27/05/2013, at 12:36 AM, Brandt  wrote:
> 
>> The link seems to be useless. Even googled the link and no go.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> 
>> Brandt Steenkamp
>> 
>> Sent from my macbook pro
>> 
>> Contact me:
>> 
>> Mobile/iMessage/WatsApp: +27781205013
>> 
>> Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com
>> 
>> My ring to Skype:
>> California, United States
>> +(1)760-5140161
>> Extension 512
>> Cape Town, South Africa
>>  +(27)213-002317
>> Extension 161
>> Johannesburg, South Africa
>> +(27)105-002316
>> Extension 170
>> 
>> Skype: Brandt.steenkamp007
>> 
>> SIP: 5500...@spokn.com
>> 
>> Twitter: brandtsteenkamp
>> 
>> On 26 May 2013, at 2:02 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I'm very glad to forward this link to you. A little tiny line says, the 
>>> next update is gonna bring improvements for VoiceOver for word processing 
>>> and PDF.
>>> 
>>> http://macdailynews.com/2013/05/25/apples-os-x-10-8-4-to-deliver-wifi-compatibility-facetime-fix-802-11ac-and-more/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+wordpress/xhfA+(MacDailyNews)
>>> 
>>> Isn't that great? I Hope this will fix the pdf issues in Preview and - who 
>>> knows - bring tables compatibility to VO. Let's dream big! :-)
>>> That shows to me how important it is to send bug reports to
>>> accessibil...@apple.com.
>>> 
>>> All the best
>>> Jürgen
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Re: Can Apple TV Pull Content From a NAS

[Kliphton A M]

This is possible.  I use a western digital 8TB NAS, and it has an iTunes server 
on it.  I store my iTunes library there, and point my iTunes from my Mac to 
this folder.  And I have no issues.  My appleTV pulls and streams the media 
content from there just fine.  I turn on home sharing, and use the same appleID 
that my iTunes library has, and I have no issues at all.  Let me know if you 
have anymore questions.

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On May 26, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> Does anyone know, can an Apple TV pull content from a NAS on a local network? 
> Either by providing the Apple TV in some manner the IP address, folder share 
> and user credentials of the share so that it can scan the folder, or, by 
> enabling iTunes Server which is a feature of my NAS.
> 
> iTunes Server is not the same as Home Sharing as found in iTunes the 
> application.
> 
> Any thoughts much appriciated… Essentually what I want to do is use something 
> like Apple TV to stream content from a share on my NAS rather than having to 
> push to it from iTunes or an iOS device.
> 
> thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
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Re: Can Apple TV Pull Content From a NAS

[Tim Kilburn]

Hmmm, I see what you're doing here.  The Mac is providing the HomeShare for the 
Apple Tv so it works.  I believe, though, that if the Mac was turned off or did 
not have iTunes running, this configuration may not work.  I'm not 100% 
positive on this one (probably only 98%), so I can be corrected if necessary 
but I seem to recall that the iTunes server is simply providing iTunes Sharing 
which is different than HomeSharing.  It is the HomeSharing that is required 
for the Apple TV to access an iTunes Library.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2013-05-26, at 7:40 PM, Kliphton A M  wrote:

> This is possible.  I use a western digital 8TB NAS, and it has an iTunes 
> server on it.  I store my iTunes library there, and point my iTunes from my 
> Mac to this folder.  And I have no issues.  My appleTV pulls and streams the 
> media content from there just fine.  I turn on home sharing, and use the same 
> appleID that my iTunes library has, and I have no issues at all.  Let me know 
> if you have anymore questions.
> 
> Kliphton Senior
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> 
> On May 26, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> Does anyone know, can an Apple TV pull content from a NAS on a local 
>> network? Either by providing the Apple TV in some manner the IP address, 
>> folder share and user credentials of the share so that it can scan the 
>> folder, or, by enabling iTunes Server which is a feature of my NAS.
>> 
>> iTunes Server is not the same as Home Sharing as found in iTunes the 
>> application.
>> 
>> Any thoughts much appriciated… Essentually what I want to do is use 
>> something like Apple TV to stream content from a share on my NAS rather than 
>> having to push to it from iTunes or an iOS device.
>> 
>> thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
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>> 
>> Talks List Administrator
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>> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
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Re: Dragging and Dropping a mailbox to Favorites

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi John,

Just for fun, I went downstairs and tried this on my iMac server.  The iMac is 
running the same fully updated version of MacOS, same fully updated version of 
Mail and has the Magic Trackpad instead of a mouse.  Low and behold, it worked 
like a charm on the iMac.  All my testing over the last while was on my 15" 
MacBook Pro where it wasn't working properly.  I'll try again at work tomorrow 
on my MacPro to see if the problems are more related to the MBP/laptop but not 
so present on the Desktop units.  Then comes trying to figure out why.

I'll let you know how things go.

Have a good one.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2013-05-26, at 10:10 AM, John Panarese  wrote:

> Hi Tim,
>I don't use Trackpad commander either.  I'd love to get to the bottom of 
> this as it's baffling me as to the hit or miss nature of this process and how 
> some folks just can't get it to work at all.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
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> 
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> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 26, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi John,
>> 
>> I, too, have all cursors tracking each other, but use Grouping in web-pages. 
>>  I do not use the Trackpad commander for any of this as I'm just too used to 
>> doing things the keyboard way on my Mac.  I will change things to Dom 
>> navigation just for fun to see if that makes any difference.
>> 
>> Thanks for your response and insight.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On 2013-05-26, at 9:57 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Tim,
>>>   I have the standard view for Mail.  I have all my cursors tracking one 
>>> another and I have nothing special changed in the Web category.  I use DOM 
>>> order for navigation.  I suggested the move window menu because many people 
>>> are not aware you can do this.  I completely forgot about it until I 
>>> stumbled across those commands while training someone who asked me about 
>>> VoiceOver's ability to move objects and windows around the screen.
>>> 
>>>Oddly enough, I spent some time messing with this and it's hit or miss.  
>>> I can consistently get it to work sometimes, but other times, I can't seem 
>>> to drop the mailbox onto the favorites bar.  I need to try this with 
>>> someone sighted here so I can find out what might be going on.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 26, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
 John,
 
 I'm wondering 
 
 • what your VO settings are, specifically navigation and web.
 • what view you're Mail is in.
 • Is your Preview pane active or not.
 
 I have made this work on occasion but after seeing others frustration in 
 this thread was attempting to play with things a little to determine why 
 things might be not working for them.  In my testing, I was unable to make 
 the Drag and Drop to Favourites work for me either.  Kind of interesting 
 considering that I did make it work in the past and have sent responses 
 assisting others.  Anyway, I'll put some notes below on my experiences:
 
 • You must Interact with the Mailbox to be able to mark it for Drag and 
 Drop.
 • Items that are expandable usually cannot be dragged around.  These are 
 items such as Sent mail that is expandable due to the fact that you have 
 multiple Mailboxes within the Mail app.
 • When I mark something to drag, focus moves to the Messages Table of that 
 Mailbox, so extra steps of uninteracting must be performed prior to moving 
 over to the Favourites bar.  I tried changing VO cursor settings to affect 
 this with no real success.
 • VO marks the item, drags it but then says that it was unable to drop it 
 on the Favourites bar.
 • I already have eight items in my Favourite bar so thought that maybe 
 that was a limit, so I pulled one item out.  No change in behaviour 
 although I did have to ask my daughter to put the item back in because I 
 couldn't get the Drag and Drop to work properly.
 • No joy whether I use the old fashioned VO-cmd-space Drag and Drop method 
 instead of the VO-comma/VO-period method.
 • In fact, I had to restart my MBP at one point as my daughter said that 
 the Trackpad button wasn't responding properly even when she was trying 
 things, probably got messed 

"sync music" unchecked in iTunes?

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
I had iTunes set to sync only one playlist, so everything I added to the 
playlist would get copied to the iPhone. A few days ago, I added four CDs to 
iTunes, and I just tried to put the new music (which got added to my syncing 
playlist) to my iPhone. Now, though, the "sync music" checkbox in the "music" 
radio button of the iPhone is unchecked, even though I never would have 
unchecked it. When I check it, though, I'm asked if I really want to erase all 
music, books, movies, and so on on the iPhone. I don't, since there is about 
5gb of songs to transfer - I'd very much prefer it to just update what is on 
the phone, not move it all again. What happened, and is there anything I can do 
to avoid having to sync all that music again? Thanks in advance.


Have a great day,
Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
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Re: Deleting audible books

[Christine Olivares]

I just looked, and there doesn't seem to be a delete button. I went to the "my 
library" category on the app. Here are the buttons: "categories, back button," 
a "my library" heading, "last played button," and you have a choice of ordering 
the books either by recent, title, and author. The final button is the refresh 
button. Where is the delete button?

Sorry to be a bother. :) God bless.
Christine
On May 26, 2013, at 9:16 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> Ah, didn't know that.  Oh  well.  Anyhow, I still hope my info was helpful.
> 
> 
> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
> 
> On May 26, 2013, at 8:10 PM, Brandon Olivares  
> wrote:
> 
>> You can actually now return books to Audible, if you've purchased that book 
>> within the last year. It's a new policy they began a few months ago.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Brandon
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>> On May 26, 2013, at 8:42 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>>> First, you don't return books to Audible.  You keep them as long as you 
>>> want.
>>> 
>>> Next, in the audible app, there is a delete button just to the left of the 
>>> listing of books.  This delete button is inactive:  but, you activate it by 
>>> pressing it.  Now, you are in a delete mode.  Go through the list and, upon 
>>> finding a book you wish to delete from your phone, press double tap on that 
>>> book.  A confirmatory screen will pop up and ask whether or not you really 
>>> wish to delete that book.  IF you double tap yes, the book will be erased 
>>> from your phone, but, book marks for it will be kept.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in!
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>>> 
>>> On May 26, 2013, at 7:24 PM, Christine Olivares  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hello everyone,
 I have a question about the audible app. I returned books over the phone, 
 but they are still in my downloads since I have an iPhone. whenever I buy 
 a book, I download it to my iPhone. However, when the book is returned to 
 audible, the books are still on my phone in the "downloaded" section. any 
 ideas how to delete them? When I double tap, it starts playing the book 
 even when it is returned.
 
 Thanks for your help and time. god bless.
 
 Christine
 
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RE: Can Apple TV Pull Content From a NAS

[Kliphton]

You would be correct.  I have to have my mac on and iTunes open for this to
work.  But my media is stored on the nas, and it works for me for now.

 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 8:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can Apple TV Pull Content From a NAS

 

Hmmm, I see what you're doing here.  The Mac is providing the HomeShare for
the Apple Tv so it works.  I believe, though, that if the Mac was turned off
or did not have iTunes running, this configuration may not work.  I'm not
100% positive on this one (probably only 98%), so I can be corrected if
necessary but I seem to recall that the iTunes server is simply providing
iTunes Sharing which is different than HomeSharing.  It is the HomeSharing
that is required for the Apple TV to access an iTunes Library.

 

Later...

 

Tim Kilburn

Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 

On 2013-05-26, at 7:40 PM, Kliphton A M  wrote:





This is possible.  I use a western digital 8TB NAS, and it has an iTunes
server on it.  I store my iTunes library there, and point my iTunes from my
Mac to this folder.  And I have no issues.  My appleTV pulls and streams the
media content from there just fine.  I turn on home sharing, and use the
same appleID that my iTunes library has, and I have no issues at all.  Let
me know if you have anymore questions.

 

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On May 26, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
wrote:





Hi All,

 

Does anyone know, can an Apple TV pull content from a NAS on a local
network? Either by providing the Apple TV in some manner the IP address,
folder share and user credentials of the share so that it can scan the
folder, or, by enabling iTunes Server which is a feature of my NAS.

 

iTunes Server is not the same as Home Sharing as found in iTunes the
application.

 

Any thoughts much appriciated. Essentually what I want to do is use
something like Apple TV to stream content from a share on my NAS rather than
having to push to it from iTunes or an iOS device.

 

thanks.

 

 

Regards,

 

Neil Barnfather

 

Talks List Administrator

Twitter @neilbarnfather

 

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Re: "x rows added" message (was VO improvements in the next update)

[Chris Gilland]

Enough said.  You make a very valid point.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Alex Hall" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 8:16 PM
Subject: "x rows added" message (was VO improvements in the next update)


It is handy. What is frustrating is that it interrupts speech. For instance, 
I use the preview feature of mail to hear a good chunk of a message without 
having to open it. Often, VO will read the sender, subject, and date of the 
message, then start to read that handy preview, then stop to say "1 row 
added" and have to start all over again. I like knowing a new message 
arrived, but Apple should make the feature more customizable, with options 
to delay speaking the message (not interrupt), play a sound, or do nothing. 
That way, everyone's happy: leave it how it is, or choose one of the new 
options. With activities, you could even set the behavior on an app-by-app 
basis.

On May 26, 2013, at 7:58 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:

That isn't stupid.  Frankly, I'm really glad it does that.  If it didn't 
how else would you know that a table of items was populating?


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Michael Marshall" 


To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: VO improvements in the next update


i would love in the next update if VO would stop giving that stupid 1 row 
added message really i would give anything.


Michael
On 27/05/2013, at 12:36 AM, Brandt  wrote:


The link seems to be useless. Even googled the link and no go.

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On 26 May 2013, at 2:02 PM, Jürgen Fleger  
wrote:



Hi,

I'm very glad to forward this link to you. A little tiny line says, the 
next update is gonna bring improvements for VoiceOver for word 
processing and PDF.


http://macdailynews.com/2013/05/25/apples-os-x-10-8-4-to-deliver-wifi-compatibility-facetime-fix-802-11ac-and-more/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+wordpress/xhfA+(MacDailyNews)

Isn't that great? I Hope this will fix the pdf issues in Preview and - 
who knows - bring tables compatibility to VO. Let's dream big! :-)

That shows to me how important it is to send bug reports to
accessibil...@apple.com.

All the best
Jürgen

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Re: great newspaper app

[Chris Gilland]

Dumb question, but what makes this any better than using the NFB Newsline 
app, aside from the obvious that if you're not in the US, you'd not have 
access to that app?


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Phil Halton" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: great newspaper app


Its for IOS. I just downloaded it and it has alot of possibilities. Its 
like using a phone menu system to dial in on a given newspaper article. 
You can choose between three different newspapers in the free unsubscribed 
version , then individual news sections like world news, local, late 
breaking etc, then the various articles in the section. You use words like 
back, reread, etc to traverse the menu system. Then once you select an 
article, it is read aloud with a very good voice quality.

I like it.

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Re: Can Apple TV Pull Content From a NAS

[Noel Romey]

If you want to jail break your Apple TV, one can install ATV Flash Black
from Firecord www.firecore.com on your Apple TV.  From there, you can use
shares with Samba (windoww) AFP (Apple) or Linux (NFS).  The media player
has a library which is searchable provided shares are set up.  Your other
alternate would be to use a itunes server (it may or may not be on your
NAS) but a computer running ITUNES must be on, and home sharing must be
active for this to work properly.  Jail breaking only currently works on
the Apple TV 1 and 2, but a break is in the works for teh ATV3.  I use this
option (I don't jail break my phones, but I definitely do with ATV, and
myself and my family love the access to the movies we own on the server. I
can even play DVS movie audio tracks, and if I've encoded the DVDS
correctly with Handbreak, I can access (accessibly with VO) the audio
tracks.  ATV flash black integrates with the Apple menus and is therefore
fully accessible.

Hope this helps.

Let me know if I can help anymore.

Noel


On May 26, 2013, at 7:33 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

I believe that the Apple TV requires Home Sharing to be able to pull things
from the local network.  Music and other media that is purchased through
Apple and thus stored in iCloud can also be streamed to the Apple TV but
I'm pretty sure that regular sharing is not compatible due to the method of
sharing.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2013-05-26, at 1:43 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
wrote:

Hi All,

Does anyone know, can an Apple TV pull content from a NAS on a local
network? Either by providing the Apple TV in some manner the IP address,
folder share and user credentials of the share so that it can scan the
folder, or, by enabling iTunes Server which is a feature of my NAS.

iTunes Server is not the same as Home Sharing as found in iTunes the
application.

Any thoughts much appriciated… Essentually what I want to do is use
something like Apple TV to stream content from a share on my NAS rather
than having to push to it from iTunes or an iOS device.

thanks.



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Re: Deleting audible books

[Ray Foret Jr]

You need to look furtther to the right.  It's just to the left of your book 
list.


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Sincerely,
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On May 26, 2013, at 9:11 PM, Christine Olivares  wrote:

> I just looked, and there doesn't seem to be a delete button. I went to the 
> "my library" category on the app. Here are the buttons: "categories, back 
> button," a "my library" heading, "last played button," and you have a choice 
> of ordering the books either by recent, title, and author. The final button 
> is the refresh button. Where is the delete button?
> 
> Sorry to be a bother. :) God bless.
> Christine
> On May 26, 2013, at 9:16 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> Ah, didn't know that.  Oh  well.  Anyhow, I still hope my info was helpful.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in!
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>> 
>> On May 26, 2013, at 8:10 PM, Brandon Olivares  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> You can actually now return books to Audible, if you've purchased that book 
>>> within the last year. It's a new policy they began a few months ago.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Brandon
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>>> On May 26, 2013, at 8:42 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
 First, you don't return books to Audible.  You keep them as long as you 
 want.
 
 Next, in the audible app, there is a delete button just to the left of the 
 listing of books.  This delete button is inactive:  but, you activate it 
 by pressing it.  Now, you are in a delete mode.  Go through the list and, 
 upon finding a book you wish to delete from your phone, press double tap 
 on that book.  A confirmatory screen will pop up and ask whether or not 
 you really wish to delete that book.  IF you double tap yes, the book will 
 be erased from your phone, but, book marks for it will be kept.
 
 HTH.
 
 
 Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
 
 On May 26, 2013, at 7:24 PM, Christine Olivares  
 wrote:
 
> Hello everyone,
> I have a question about the audible app. I returned books over the phone, 
> but they are still in my downloads since I have an iPhone. whenever I buy 
> a book, I download it to my iPhone. However, when the book is returned to 
> audible, the books are still on my phone in the "downloaded" section. any 
> ideas how to delete them? When I double tap, it starts playing the book 
> even when it is returned.
> 
> Thanks for your help and time. god bless.
> 
> Christine
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Re: Deleting audible books

[Danny Noonan]

I know that if you get a book by mistake or dislike it you can return it if you 
haven't finidhed it and got it recently but I've never herd about returning 
books when you've finished reading them. Perhaps book rental is offered by 
audible  in certain countries but I've personally never herd of it. 
As for returning titles it's intended to be for if you get a book and find 
you've read it, dislike it for some reason etc. Audible don't have to refund 
your money or credit and if you try to read books and then try to return it or 
try to return lots of items don't think you'll keep getting refunds. Ive 
returned a couple of titles as I hadn't realised I'd already read them but I'm 
not going to go silly with it because I like the feature to much to sabotage it 
for myself. Smile. 



There are 3 tabs in the app and this can cause confusion. If the app has cloud 
selected you will see all the items you've ever purchased but if you choose 
device  you will only see items downloaded on to your device. Make sure the 
device tab is selected and then follow rays instructions to delete specific 
titles. 

Sent from my iPhone

On 27/05/2013, at 11:10 AM, Brandon Olivares  wrote:

> You can actually now return books to Audible, if you've purchased that book 
> within the last year. It's a new policy they began a few months ago.
> 
> Regards,
> Brandon
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> On May 26, 2013, at 8:42 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> First, you don't return books to Audible.  You keep them as long as you want.
>> 
>> Next, in the audible app, there is a delete button just to the left of the 
>> listing of books.  This delete button is inactive:  but, you activate it by 
>> pressing it.  Now, you are in a delete mode.  Go through the list and, upon 
>> finding a book you wish to delete from your phone, press double tap on that 
>> book.  A confirmatory screen will pop up and ask whether or not you really 
>> wish to delete that book.  IF you double tap yes, the book will be erased 
>> from your phone, but, book marks for it will be kept.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in!
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>> 
>> On May 26, 2013, at 7:24 PM, Christine Olivares  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> I have a question about the audible app. I returned books over the phone, 
>>> but they are still in my downloads since I have an iPhone. whenever I buy a 
>>> book, I download it to my iPhone. However, when the book is returned to 
>>> audible, the books are still on my phone in the "downloaded" section. any 
>>> ideas how to delete them? When I double tap, it starts playing the book 
>>> even when it is returned.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your help and time. god bless.
>>> 
>>> Christine
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Re: Deleting audible books

[Danny Noonan]

You delete from the main screen. If there Is a back button that'd the wrong 
screen. Press back until you have cloud device iTunes etc. the button is there. 

Danny. 

Sent from my iPhone

On 27/05/2013, at 12:11 PM, Christine Olivares  wrote:

> I just looked, and there doesn't seem to be a delete button. I went to the 
> "my library" category on the app. Here are the buttons: "categories, back 
> button," a "my library" heading, "last played button," and you have a choice 
> of ordering the books either by recent, title, and author. The final button 
> is the refresh button. Where is the delete button?
> 
> Sorry to be a bother. :) God bless.
> Christine
> On May 26, 2013, at 9:16 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> Ah, didn't know that.  Oh  well.  Anyhow, I still hope my info was helpful.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in!
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>> 
>> On May 26, 2013, at 8:10 PM, Brandon Olivares  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> You can actually now return books to Audible, if you've purchased that book 
>>> within the last year. It's a new policy they began a few months ago.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Brandon
>>> 
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>>> On May 26, 2013, at 8:42 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
 First, you don't return books to Audible.  You keep them as long as you 
 want.
 
 Next, in the audible app, there is a delete button just to the left of the 
 listing of books.  This delete button is inactive:  but, you activate it 
 by pressing it.  Now, you are in a delete mode.  Go through the list and, 
 upon finding a book you wish to delete from your phone, press double tap 
 on that book.  A confirmatory screen will pop up and ask whether or not 
 you really wish to delete that book.  IF you double tap yes, the book will 
 be erased from your phone, but, book marks for it will be kept.
 
 HTH.
 
 
 Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
 
 On May 26, 2013, at 7:24 PM, Christine Olivares  
 wrote:
 
> Hello everyone,
> I have a question about the audible app. I returned books over the phone, 
> but they are still in my downloads since I have an iPhone. whenever I buy 
> a book, I download it to my iPhone. However, when the book is returned to 
> audible, the books are still on my phone in the "downloaded" section. any 
> ideas how to delete them? When I double tap, it starts playing the book 
> even when it is returned.
> 
> Thanks for your help and time. god bless.
> 
> Christine
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Re: Dragging and Dropping a mailbox to Favorites

[Brian Fischler]

Hey guys, Just wanted to chime in as I am having the problem of moving a 
mailbox on the iMac. Not sure why this would be related to a desktop or laptop, 
but stranger things have occurred with VO.
On May 26, 2013, at 10:05 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi John,
> 
> Just for fun, I went downstairs and tried this on my iMac server.  The iMac 
> is running the same fully updated version of MacOS, same fully updated 
> version of Mail and has the Magic Trackpad instead of a mouse.  Low and 
> behold, it worked like a charm on the iMac.  All my testing over the last 
> while was on my 15" MacBook Pro where it wasn't working properly.  I'll try 
> again at work tomorrow on my MacPro to see if the problems are more related 
> to the MBP/laptop but not so present on the Desktop units.  Then comes trying 
> to figure out why.
> 
> I'll let you know how things go.
> 
> Have a good one.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On 2013-05-26, at 10:10 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Tim,
>>I don't use Trackpad commander either.  I'd love to get to the bottom of 
>> this as it's baffling me as to the hit or miss nature of this process and 
>> how some folks just can't get it to work at all.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
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>> On May 26, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi John,
>>> 
>>> I, too, have all cursors tracking each other, but use Grouping in 
>>> web-pages.  I do not use the Trackpad commander for any of this as I'm just 
>>> too used to doing things the keyboard way on my Mac.  I will change things 
>>> to Dom navigation just for fun to see if that makes any difference.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your response and insight.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On 2013-05-26, at 9:57 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Tim,
   I have the standard view for Mail.  I have all my cursors tracking one 
 another and I have nothing special changed in the Web category.  I use DOM 
 order for navigation.  I suggested the move window menu because many 
 people are not aware you can do this.  I completely forgot about it until 
 I stumbled across those commands while training someone who asked me about 
 VoiceOver's ability to move objects and windows around the screen.
 
Oddly enough, I spent some time messing with this and it's hit or miss. 
  I can consistently get it to work sometimes, but other times, I can't 
 seem to drop the mailbox onto the favorites bar.  I need to try this with 
 someone sighted here so I can find out what might be going on.
 
 
 Take Care
 
 John D. Panarese
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 On May 26, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
> John,
> 
> I'm wondering 
> 
> • what your VO settings are, specifically navigation and web.
> • what view you're Mail is in.
> • Is your Preview pane active or not.
> 
> I have made this work on occasion but after seeing others frustration in 
> this thread was attempting to play with things a little to determine why 
> things might be not working for them.  In my testing, I was unable to 
> make the Drag and Drop to Favourites work for me either.  Kind of 
> interesting considering that I did make it work in the past and have sent 
> responses assisting others.  Anyway, I'll put some notes below on my 
> experiences:
> 
> • You must Interact with the Mailbox to be able to mark it for Drag and 
> Drop.
> • Items that are expandable usually cannot be dragged around.  These are 
> items such as Sent mail that is expandable due to the fact that you have 
> multiple Mailboxes within the Mail app.
> • When I mark something to drag, focus moves to the Messages Table of 
> that Mailbox, so extra steps of uninteracting must be performed prior to 
> moving over to the Favourites bar.  I tried changing VO cursor settings 
> to affect this with no real success.
> • VO marks the item, drags it but then says that it was unable to drop it 
> on the Favourites bar.
> • I already have eight items in my Favourite bar so thought that maybe 
> that was a limit, so I pulled one item out.  No change in behaviour 
> although I did have to ask my daughter t

Re: Deleting audible books

[Brandon Olivares]

She got it working. She had to update the app to the newest version. Thanks to 
everyone who replied.

Regards,
Brandon

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On May 26, 2013, at 10:58 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> You need to look furtther to the right.  It's just to the left of your book 
> list.
> 
> 
> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
> 
> On May 26, 2013, at 9:11 PM, Christine Olivares  wrote:
> 
>> I just looked, and there doesn't seem to be a delete button. I went to the 
>> "my library" category on the app. Here are the buttons: "categories, back 
>> button," a "my library" heading, "last played button," and you have a choice 
>> of ordering the books either by recent, title, and author. The final button 
>> is the refresh button. Where is the delete button?
>> 
>> Sorry to be a bother. :) God bless.
>> Christine
>> On May 26, 2013, at 9:16 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ah, didn't know that.  Oh  well.  Anyhow, I still hope my info was helpful.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in!
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>>> 
>>> On May 26, 2013, at 8:10 PM, Brandon Olivares  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 You can actually now return books to Audible, if you've purchased that 
 book within the last year. It's a new policy they began a few months ago.
 
 Regards,
 Brandon
 
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 On May 26, 2013, at 8:42 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
 
> First, you don't return books to Audible.  You keep them as long as you 
> want.
> 
> Next, in the audible app, there is a delete button just to the left of 
> the listing of books.  This delete button is inactive:  but, you activate 
> it by pressing it.  Now, you are in a delete mode.  Go through the list 
> and, upon finding a book you wish to delete from your phone, press double 
> tap on that book.  A confirmatory screen will pop up and ask whether or 
> not you really wish to delete that book.  IF you double tap yes, the book 
> will be erased from your phone, but, book marks for it will be kept.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> 
> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
> 
> On May 26, 2013, at 7:24 PM, Christine Olivares  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> I have a question about the audible app. I returned books over the 
>> phone, but they are still in my downloads since I have an iPhone. 
>> whenever I buy a book, I download it to my iPhone. However, when the 
>> book is returned to audible, the books are still on my phone in the 
>> "downloaded" section. any ideas how to delete them? When I double tap, 
>> it starts playing the book even when it is returned.
>> 
>> Thanks for your help and time. god bless.
>> 
>> Christine
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Re: Deleting audible books

[Brandon Olivares]

We've only tried to return books we've disliked. We're not trying to be 
dishonest or anything.

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On May 26, 2013, at 11:00 PM, Danny Noonan  wrote:

> I know that if you get a book by mistake or dislike it you can return it if 
> you haven't finidhed it and got it recently but I've never herd about 
> returning books when you've finished reading them. Perhaps book rental is 
> offered by audible  in certain countries but I've personally never herd of 
> it. 
> As for returning titles it's intended to be for if you get a book and find 
> you've read it, dislike it for some reason etc. Audible don't have to refund 
> your money or credit and if you try to read books and then try to return it 
> or try to return lots of items don't think you'll keep getting refunds. Ive 
> returned a couple of titles as I hadn't realised I'd already read them but 
> I'm not going to go silly with it because I like the feature to much to 
> sabotage it for myself. Smile. 
> 
> 
> 
> There are 3 tabs in the app and this can cause confusion. If the app has 
> cloud selected you will see all the items you've ever purchased but if you 
> choose device  you will only see items downloaded on to your device. Make 
> sure the device tab is selected and then follow rays instructions to delete 
> specific titles. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 27/05/2013, at 11:10 AM, Brandon Olivares  wrote:
> 
>> You can actually now return books to Audible, if you've purchased that book 
>> within the last year. It's a new policy they began a few months ago.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Brandon
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>> On May 26, 2013, at 8:42 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>>> First, you don't return books to Audible.  You keep them as long as you 
>>> want.
>>> 
>>> Next, in the audible app, there is a delete button just to the left of the 
>>> listing of books.  This delete button is inactive:  but, you activate it by 
>>> pressing it.  Now, you are in a delete mode.  Go through the list and, upon 
>>> finding a book you wish to delete from your phone, press double tap on that 
>>> book.  A confirmatory screen will pop up and ask whether or not you really 
>>> wish to delete that book.  IF you double tap yes, the book will be erased 
>>> from your phone, but, book marks for it will be kept.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in!
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>>> 
>>> On May 26, 2013, at 7:24 PM, Christine Olivares  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hello everyone,
 I have a question about the audible app. I returned books over the phone, 
 but they are still in my downloads since I have an iPhone. whenever I buy 
 a book, I download it to my iPhone. However, when the book is returned to 
 audible, the books are still on my phone in the "downloaded" section. any 
 ideas how to delete them? When I double tap, it starts playing the book 
 even when it is returned.
 
 Thanks for your help and time. god bless.
 
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Re: Deleting audible books

[Danny Noonan]

I wasn't trying to say you were. If you finish a book though they will likely 
take that as you liked the book or you would have stopped reading.   A friend 
found this. Grin. 

Sorry if it sounded like I was throwing accusations. I was trying to make an 
explanation quickly on a touch screen and dislike typing more than I hav too. 
Grin
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On 27/05/2013, at 1:17 PM, Brandon Olivares  wrote:

> We've only tried to return books we've disliked. We're not trying to be 
> dishonest or anything.
> 
> Regards,
> Brandon
> 
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> On May 26, 2013, at 11:00 PM, Danny Noonan  wrote:
> 
>> I know that if you get a book by mistake or dislike it you can return it if 
>> you haven't finidhed it and got it recently but I've never herd about 
>> returning books when you've finished reading them. Perhaps book rental is 
>> offered by audible  in certain countries but I've personally never herd of 
>> it. 
>> As for returning titles it's intended to be for if you get a book and find 
>> you've read it, dislike it for some reason etc. Audible don't have to refund 
>> your money or credit and if you try to read books and then try to return it 
>> or try to return lots of items don't think you'll keep getting refunds. Ive 
>> returned a couple of titles as I hadn't realised I'd already read them but 
>> I'm not going to go silly with it because I like the feature to much to 
>> sabotage it for myself. Smile. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> There are 3 tabs in the app and this can cause confusion. If the app has 
>> cloud selected you will see all the items you've ever purchased but if you 
>> choose device  you will only see items downloaded on to your device. Make 
>> sure the device tab is selected and then follow rays instructions to delete 
>> specific titles. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 27/05/2013, at 11:10 AM, Brandon Olivares  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> You can actually now return books to Audible, if you've purchased that book 
>>> within the last year. It's a new policy they began a few months ago.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Brandon
>>> 
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>>> On May 26, 2013, at 8:42 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
 First, you don't return books to Audible.  You keep them as long as you 
 want.
 
 Next, in the audible app, there is a delete button just to the left of the 
 listing of books.  This delete button is inactive:  but, you activate it 
 by pressing it.  Now, you are in a delete mode.  Go through the list and, 
 upon finding a book you wish to delete from your phone, press double tap 
 on that book.  A confirmatory screen will pop up and ask whether or not 
 you really wish to delete that book.  IF you double tap yes, the book will 
 be erased from your phone, but, book marks for it will be kept.
 
 HTH.
 
 
 Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
 
 On May 26, 2013, at 7:24 PM, Christine Olivares  
 wrote:
 
> Hello everyone,
> I have a question about the audible app. I returned books over the phone, 
> but they are still in my downloads since I have an iPhone. whenever I buy 
> a book, I download it to my iPhone. However, when the book is returned to 
> audible, the books are still on my phone in the "downloaded" section. any 
> ideas how to delete them? When I double tap, it starts playing the book 
> even when it is returned.
> 
> Thanks for your help and time. god bless.
> 
> Christine
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Question about either the Goodreads IPhone app, or the web site itself

[Chris Gilland]

Hey guys.

I confess, I'm kind a new to Goodreads, and only recently have started using 
it.  I've had the app for quite some time on my phone, but really just 
haven't dived into it really heavily until now.


I absolutely love! what I'm seeing so far, and man! has it given me some 
excellent options of books to try out reading, however, I do have a 
question.  I know a while back when I first got the app in November of last 
year, I tried searching for a book.  I'm 99.9 percent certain I did this 
from the app, and not the web site.  I remember that the book did not come 
up in the list of search results.  I'm just trying to remember what I had to 
do to manually add the book to the list of results so that I could manually 
put the book in my shelf.  I know it can be done, as I did it way back when. 
I just can't fcor the life of me remember how on earth I did it.  I don't 
see anything anywhere in the app that will let me do it.  I'll admit, I've 
not looked at the web site terribly terribly thoroughly but I didn't seem to 
see anything that would allow me to do this.  I'm just wonderring if anyone 
on here who either uses the app, or the web site, or both, knows how to go 
about doing this.  I have a few titles I've read which aren't showing up in 
the results.  I have their titles, authors, and easily enough can get their 
i s b n's, and publish dates.  I just need to know once I obtain all that 
info, where on goodreads to go in order to manually add the book.  Aside 
from that though, I think I'm getting the hang of it quite well.


Actually the other question is, I don't have an actual GR account.  I sign 
in through my Facebook account.  With that said, how would other people find 
me on Goodreads so they could follow me?


Chris. 


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Re: Dragging and Dropping a mailbox to Favorites

[Tim Kilburn]

Thanks for the info Brian.  I'll keep digging.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2013-05-26, at 9:09 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> Hey guys, Just wanted to chime in as I am having the problem of moving a 
> mailbox on the iMac. Not sure why this would be related to a desktop or 
> laptop, but stranger things have occurred with VO.
> On May 26, 2013, at 10:05 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi John,
>> 
>> Just for fun, I went downstairs and tried this on my iMac server.  The iMac 
>> is running the same fully updated version of MacOS, same fully updated 
>> version of Mail and has the Magic Trackpad instead of a mouse.  Low and 
>> behold, it worked like a charm on the iMac.  All my testing over the last 
>> while was on my 15" MacBook Pro where it wasn't working properly.  I'll try 
>> again at work tomorrow on my MacPro to see if the problems are more related 
>> to the MBP/laptop but not so present on the Desktop units.  Then comes 
>> trying to figure out why.
>> 
>> I'll let you know how things go.
>> 
>> Have a good one.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On 2013-05-26, at 10:10 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Tim,
>>>I don't use Trackpad commander either.  I'd love to get to the bottom of 
>>> this as it's baffling me as to the hit or miss nature of this process and 
>>> how some folks just can't get it to work at all.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
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>>> 
>>> On May 26, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi John,
 
 I, too, have all cursors tracking each other, but use Grouping in 
 web-pages.  I do not use the Trackpad commander for any of this as I'm 
 just too used to doing things the keyboard way on my Mac.  I will change 
 things to Dom navigation just for fun to see if that makes any difference.
 
 Thanks for your response and insight.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2013-05-26, at 9:57 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
 
> Hi Tim,
>   I have the standard view for Mail.  I have all my cursors tracking one 
> another and I have nothing special changed in the Web category.  I use 
> DOM order for navigation.  I suggested the move window menu because many 
> people are not aware you can do this.  I completely forgot about it until 
> I stumbled across those commands while training someone who asked me 
> about VoiceOver's ability to move objects and windows around the screen.
> 
>Oddly enough, I spent some time messing with this and it's hit or 
> miss.  I can consistently get it to work sometimes, but other times, I 
> can't seem to drop the mailbox onto the favorites bar.  I need to try 
> this with someone sighted here so I can find out what might be going on.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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> On May 26, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> John,
>> 
>> I'm wondering 
>> 
>> • what your VO settings are, specifically navigation and web.
>> • what view you're Mail is in.
>> • Is your Preview pane active or not.
>> 
>> I have made this work on occasion but after seeing others frustration in 
>> this thread was attempting to play with things a little to determine why 
>> things might be not working for them.  In my testing, I was unable to 
>> make the Drag and Drop to Favourites work for me either.  Kind of 
>> interesting considering that I did make it work in the past and have 
>> sent responses assisting others.  Anyway, I'll put some notes below on 
>> my experiences:
>> 
>> • You must Interact with the Mailbox to be able to mark it for Drag and 
>> Drop.
>> • Items that are expandable usually cannot be dragged around.  These are 
>> items such as Sent mail that is expandable due to the fact that you have 
>> multiple Mailboxes within the Mail app.
>> • When I mark something to drag, focus moves to the Messages Table of 
>> that Mailbox, so extra steps of uninteracting must be performed prior to 
>> moving over to the Favourites bar.  I tried changing VO cursor settings 
>> to affect this with no real success.
>> • VO marks the item, d

Re: What would you all like to see in scripts to speak system status?

[Nicholas Parsons]

Hi Shawn,

I can't now remember where I got the script. But if you Google VoiceOver script 
to speak MacBook batery status I reckon you'll find it. If you email me off 
list I'll be happy to email you the script. You just copy it into the VoiceOver 
folder in your scripts folder in Library I think. Then you can assign a 
keyboard commander to it.

Re those iTunes apps, do they speak the song title and artist on command, or 
automatically? I really dislike ones that speak it automatically (like Apple 
TV) as it's really disconcerting in a party when you have your music turned up 
loud for this extremely loud electronic voice to start booming out over your 
sound system. It's particularly annoying when the intro of the song is really 
cool and VoiceOver ruins it. So I want one that speaks it only on command.

Cheers,
Nic
  

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Re: VO improvements in the next update

[Nicholas Parsons]

Don't mean to crash the party, but the article, on my reading, did not say 
VoiceOver improvements to "text AND PDF" (and as in A N D), but "text IN PDF" 
(that is, I N). That means, improvements to the way VoiceOver reads text in 
PDFs, not  how it reads text in other text documents. So, unfortunately, tables 
and track changes in Pages probably won't be in OS 10.8.4. That said, 
improvements to VoiceOver in Preview would be very welcome. It's nice to know 
things are just getting better and better. (He says hoping 10.8.4 doesn't 
introduce any new bugs)

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Re: Dragging and Dropping a mailbox to Favorites

[Nicholas Parsons]

My 2 cents:

• I have all the same relevant settings as John.
• I can successfully drag and drop mailboxes to the favourites bar on both my 
iMac and MacBook Air. Just tested now on my MacBook Air and it worked first 
time.
• I interact with the mailbox list before dragging, but not with the mailbox 
itself.
• I can drag and drop collapsed mailboxes such as sent, archived etcetera. 
However, I think I may have had to interact with them first.
• I interact with the favourites bar before dropping and use VO-SHIFT-COMMA or 
VO-SHIFT-PERIOD to drop it before or after another mailbox in my favourites bar.

Cheers,
Nic

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