Re: [Bulk] controlling the cpu fan

[Ray Foret Jr]

The one I used to use was called "Fan Control".  Not sure if it will work under 
Lion since it's got to open up under 32bit.


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On Oct 3, 2011, at 11:49 PM, Shen wrote:

> Hello,
> Awhile ago, someone mentioned that there is a good application that
> lets you adjust the temperature thresholds when the fan for a MacBook
> kicks in.
> For the life of me, I can't remember what it is. Can someone please remind me.
> I've noticed that streaming NetFlix is making my MacBook much warmer
> than it has ever been.
> Thanks.
> 
> 
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Re: Dragon! :)

[musiclady]

So how does it work? Do you just go to the body of an email and 
speak?

Steph


- Original Message -
From: "Red.Falcon" Well I just installed it authorised it to use my facebook and 
just started using it!
I've managed to send sms and put a status on facebook and the 
first part of this thread!

It just worked!
So where did you have a problem!
Colin

On 3 Oct 2011, at 19:54, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

I could never get Dragon to work.  How to do it Colin?
On 3 Oct 2011, at 17:50, Red.Falcon wrote:

Hi Traci!
The only part of the email was done by dragon is the main body 
of text!

You have to do everything else your self!
Colin
On 3 Oct 2011, at 17:01, Traci wrote:

You sent the below email with your voice?  Pretty cool!

Just wait until ios5, if what is being reported is true.  :)

Traci

- Original Message - From: "Red.Falcon" 
To: "mobileaccess" ; "macvisionaries 
group" 
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 12:19 AM
Subject: Dragon! :)


Well people I'm trying this speech software so far so good and 
I'm liking it on the iPhone



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Re: Dragon! :)

[Paul Erkens]

Hi Esther,
I experienced a problem with dictate, and I know there's no such equal thing as 
in Android, but maybe you know if there is a work around.

When I speak into Dragon dictate, of course there is the voiceover issue, where 
it talks while the recording is already happening. This can be overcome by ear 
phones. In Android, after speaking part of a sentence, you can let go of the 
record button, and Android gives a few choices, so you can pick the correct 
recognition from that list and then you go on with the next bit. On my iPhone, 
I cannot seem to do just that. After it recognizes something wrong, I need to 
do my own text editing to get it right again. I would like to just speak again 
though, because I want to avoid swiping and typing as much as possible. What do 
I do, when Dragon Dictate did not understand me correctly? Is there a simple 
way to just redo it, instead of editing out the errors? Editing takes a lot of 
time for me, so once you have an error in the text, the speed gain is lost. 
Interested to know about this.

Paul.
On Oct 3, 2011, at 11:13 PM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Kawal,
> 
> The Dragon Dictation accessibility problems started with the release of the 
> first version that was made available for UK users, but was fixed afterwards. 
>  I've tested it in a number of languages, and they've added several countries 
> in recent months.  The app now works for English (U.S., U.K., Australian), 
> German, French (Europe, Canada), Spanish (Europe, the Americas), Italian, 
> Japanese, Chinese (Mandarin for China and Taiwan, and Cantonese), Korean, 
> Dutch, Portuguese, Norwegian, Swedish, and Russian.  No Danish yet.  It's 
> been lots of fun trying out the different languages.
> 
> You should give it a try.  Here's the App Store link:
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/dragon-dictation/id341446764?mt=8
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 3, 2011, at 10:02, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> I did download Draggon Dictate probably when it first came out and I could 
>> do nothing with it.  It would say e-mail message but no record button.  But 
>> then Draggon was not too accessible.  Haven't tried since.
>> On 3 Oct 2011, at 20:25, Red.Falcon wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Kawal!
>>> Well I just installed it authorised it to use my facebook and just started 
>>> using it!
>>> I've managed to send sms and put a status on facebook and the first part of 
>>> this thread!
>>> It just worked!
>>> So where did you have a problem!
>>> Colin
>>> 
>>> On 3 Oct 2011, at 19:54, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>>> 
 I could never get Dragon to work.  How to do it Colin?
 On 3 Oct 2011, at 17:50, Red.Falcon wrote:
 
> Hi Traci!
> The only part of the email was done by dragon is the main body of text!
> You have to do everything else your self!
> Colin 
> On 3 Oct 2011, at 17:01, Traci wrote:
> 
>> You sent the below email with your voice?  Pretty cool!
>> 
>> Just wait until ios5, if what is being reported is true.  :)
>> 
>> Traci
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Red.Falcon" 
>> 
>> To: "mobileaccess" ; "macvisionaries group" 
>> 
>> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 12:19 AM
>> Subject: Dragon! :)
>> 
>> 
>>> Well people I'm trying this speech software so far so good and I'm 
>>> liking it on the iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
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Re: [Bulk] controlling the cpu fan

[Scott Howell]

Personally I would just leave the fan alone. I see little value in trying to 
change what engineers have spent time determining is optimal for the machine. 
Of course if under warranty, such changes could void that warranty.
On Oct 4, 2011, at 3:40 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> The one I used to use was called "Fan Control".  Not sure if it will work 
> under Lion since it's got to open up under 32bit.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 3, 2011, at 11:49 PM, Shen wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> Awhile ago, someone mentioned that there is a good application that
>> lets you adjust the temperature thresholds when the fan for a MacBook
>> kicks in.
>> For the life of me, I can't remember what it is. Can someone please remind 
>> me.
>> I've noticed that streaming NetFlix is making my MacBook much warmer
>> than it has ever been.
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Dragon! :)

[Red.Falcon]

Hi Musiclady!
When you open the app!
You have a dictate button and when you've pressed it speak the message you want!
So its decide first if your going to send sms or email or post a facebook 
status or a tweet!
After you've spoke you can then choose the keyboard button to check how well 
the app transcribed your text!
And tidy up anything that needs editing!
When your happy you press the menu and select the option you wish to use!
If you pick email your text will be put into the body of a new message and you 
have to fill in the rest like subject and so on!
I hope they can improve this so you can pick something like add to email or add 
to comments in facebook!
If they would be able to do such things within the softwares capabilities!
hth Colin

On 4 Oct 2011, at 10:24, musiclady wrote:

> So how does it work? Do you just go to the body of an email and speak?
> Steph
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Red.Falcon"  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Date sent: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 20:25:53 +0100
> Subject: Re: Dragon! :)
> 
> Hi Kawal!
> Well I just installed it authorised it to use my facebook and just started 
> using it!
> I've managed to send sms and put a status on facebook and the first part of 
> this thread!
> It just worked!
> So where did you have a problem!
> Colin
> 
> On 3 Oct 2011, at 19:54, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
> I could never get Dragon to work.  How to do it Colin?
> On 3 Oct 2011, at 17:50, Red.Falcon wrote:
> 
> Hi Traci!
> The only part of the email was done by dragon is the main body of text!
> You have to do everything else your self!
> Colin
> On 3 Oct 2011, at 17:01, Traci wrote:
> 
> You sent the below email with your voice?  Pretty cool!
> 
> Just wait until ios5, if what is being reported is true.  :)
> 
> Traci
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Red.Falcon" 
>  To: "mobileaccess" ; "macvisionaries group" 
>  Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 12:19 AM
> Subject: Dragon! :)
> 
> 
> Well people I'm trying this speech software so far so good and I'm liking it 
> on the iPhone
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Introduction and a few questions

[Alex Hall]

Welcome to the list. I, too, have LCA, by the way.

First, I can't answer the eBook or captcha questions; I use my iPod or
BrailleNote for books and I have no idea about captchas.

Browsers: only Safari works with VoiceOver. However, you can install
Chrome and then install ChromeVox (see Kevin's post on it from
yesterday) and use that in place of Safari. Firefox, Opera, or any
other browser besides those two will not work.

Apps: before answering, we (the list) need to know what sorts of
things you want to do. Youtube? Twitter? Wordprocessing? Music player?
Music creator? Sound editing?

On 10/4/11, Rahul Bajaj  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I joined this group just a couple of days ago, so I thought I should
> introduce myself.
> I'm Rahul Bajaj, from Nagpur, India.
> I'm 17.
> I have Leber's congenital amaurosis (LCA).
> So, I  use  my MacBook with VoiceOver.
>
> I have a few questions for all VoiceOver users.
>  Can you suggest some good apps that I should use with VoiceOver?
> Which app do you use on your Mac for reading e-books?
> Which browser should I use with VoiceOver?
> Is there an app that reads CAPTCHAs?
>
>  Please respond to these questions.
> Your feedback would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
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Re: Introduction and a few questions

[Chris Blouch]

There was a discussion a while back and I don't recall anyone coming up 
with a good solution to captchas unless the site has already implemented 
audio captcha.


CB

On 10/4/11 2:31 AM, Rahul Bajaj wrote:

Hi all,

I joined this group just a couple of days ago, so I thought I should
introduce myself.
I'm Rahul Bajaj, from Nagpur, India.
I'm 17.
I have Leber's congenital amaurosis (LCA).
So, I  use  my MacBook with VoiceOver.

I have a few questions for all VoiceOver users.
  Can you suggest some good apps that I should use with VoiceOver?
Which app do you use on your Mac for reading e-books?
Which browser should I use with VoiceOver?
Is there an app that reads CAPTCHAs?

  Please respond to these questions.
Your feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers,
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Re: installing and uninstalling apps general qution

[Paul Erkens]

Hi Iona,
To add to this, when you download an app from the app store and you hit install 
in the store, it will automatically be download, and be put into your 
applications folder. When you install other, single file apps yourself, you do 
the same thing manually. In other words, you can either download an app from a 
website, if the developer makes it available that way, and you will then 
manually need to install the app, usually by taking it from a downloaded dmg 
file and putting it into your applications folder yourself, or, you download it 
from the app store, instead of the developers website, in which case everything 
happens automatically, i.e. it installs into your applications folder and the 
licensing then has been taken care of by the app store.

To uninstall an app, it depends on the app how to uninstall it. There are 2 
main procedures. 1: Delete the app from your applications folder, or 2: run an 
uninstaller if available. The simplest, and this is allowed for most apps, is 
that you just delete it from your applications folder and it is gone. If the 
app is a background service though, like dropbox and others, you may need to 
terminate the app first, then remove it from your login items in system 
preferences, and finally you can then delete it from the applications folder. 
Another thing to remember is that most programs leave data elsewhere, for 
example in your own home folder under library. Safari does it, Skype does it as 
well, like many other apps. So, just deleting skype.app from your applications 
folder, will not get rid of the data thet Skype leaves behind in your home 
folder. The second procedure, as opposed to just deleting the app from your 
applications folder, is to run an uninstaller that came with the app, or you 
can sometimes download one separately. You don't need launchpad to uninstall 
something.

I don't exactly know what you mean by rearranging icons in iTunes on your 
iPhone.
Hth,
Paul.
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> Hi all,
> 
> Are most apps available in the app store or from the internet? Is there an 
> advantage to look for them in one way or an other?
> If installed from app store I read in the help centre that you uninstall them 
> in launchpad similarly with the iOS. Is there an other way to uninstall apps 
> from the ap store?
> 
> finally, in itunes can one rearrange icons on iphone via itunes  or only 
> directly on device?
> 
> Thanks again for humoring my avalanche of questions!
> 
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Re: technical: making vo speak text from script

[Chris Blouch]

If you can call regular shell commands they you can use the "say" command:

say some string of text

will speak "some string of text" using the default voiceover voice.

CB

On 10/3/11 7:31 AM, Alex Hall wrote:

Hi all,
I use Python for programming, and I would like to make a program I
wrote work on the mac. The only reason it does not currently work is a
package used on Windows to speak text through the available screen
reader. Basically, I want to check if the program is running on a mac
and, if it is, speak using vo. However, I can't find how to do this.
In a python or apple script, what do I do to get vo to speak a string
of text? Python can access apple script and other system libraries, so
there must be a way, but how? Is this burried in an objectiveC library
somewhere? Any help would be great. Thanks.



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Re: Is there a work-around for accessing this site with Safari or Omniweb?

[Chris Blouch]

Just one little nit here. There is no correlation between the use of 
javascript and bad accessibility. Actually you must use javascript in 
many cases to make pages accessible such as updating ARIA roles and 
states when interacting with a widget or moving focus to a reasonable 
place when a user actions an item. Of course there are lots of sites 
that use javascript to add interactivity to a site and fail to do it in 
an accessible way, but that's not a problem with javascript. Now if we 
could just get Safari up to speed on ARIA we could really get some sites 
accessible. As it is today I test web accessibility on Firefox on Jaws 
or NVDA and hope it will work on Safari sometime in the future.


CB

On 10/2/11 3:30 PM, Esther wrote:

Hi Christine,

I wasn't able to get anywhere with the main web site in Safari with VoiceOver 
on.  Not only does the site use flash for its contents, but the source page 
view indicates that they are using a lot of javascript.  I couldn't even click 
in the web page and select all to send the contents to TextEdit for viewing via 
the services menu option.

What did work was doing a Google search for a separate page for Red Mango gift 
cards.  I found this URL for their online card sales:
https://redmango.myguestaccount.com/login/web_card_sale/selectcards.srv

I think this is the page you can eventually get to if you manage to get past all 
the flash and javascript.  Navigate to the Quantity field of the denomination gift 
card you want ($25, $50, $75, etc.), route your mouse cursor to your VoiceOver 
cursor with VO-Command-F5 and click with VO-Shift-Space in the text field.  Then 
type the number of cards you want and press return.  You'll be taken to the 
Billing&  Shipping page, and can continue.  I didn't try to go through the 
whole order placement, but this seemed to work with Safari and VoiceOver once you 
get past that main web page.  I'd normally try to find a search field or sitemap 
link on the main page to do a search, but it didn't work in this case, so I tried 
Google.  So the workaround in this case was to search for the specific web page on 
the redmango.com site that dealt with gift cards, and hope that if I found this 
that it wouldn't have the same flash problems of the main page of the site.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Oct 2, 2011, at 08:30, Christine Grassman wrote:


Hello, folks.  I have tried, on my own and with sighted assistance without 
VoiceOver on, to purchase a gift card from
http://www.redmangousa.com

The site seems to be in flash, yet I can read the address bar, and the links to Twitter 
and Facebook. When I search in Google, I see the information in perfectly readable text 
in the search window, but when I click on it, I'm back to the inaccessible site.  My 
husband tried without VoiceOver, and is getting "missing plug-in" -- but I 
thought Flash worked without VoiceOver.
I tried Omniweb, and I'm getting nothing except the title of the site, and a 
TAbs button, which is doing nothing. Any workaround for such sites is 
appreciated.
Christine



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Re: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store!

[Søren Jensen]

Sorry, what is Chromevox?
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Den 04/10/2011 kl. 04.54 skrev Kevin Chao:

> This is wonderful, fantastic, and awesome! It will resolve 99.99% of
> installation/initial setup issues.
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
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> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:23:53 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store!
> To: axs-chrome-disc...@googlegroups.com
> 
> Hi everybody,
> 
> I've mentioned this on a couple threads already, but I thought I would make
> an announcement to the group...
> 
> We just added ChromeVox to the Chrome Web Store! Hooray!
> 
> Here are some of the advantages to installing ChromeVox from the Web Store:
> - You'll get automatic updates
> - Version numbers mean something
> - We have a fancy new icon :)
> 
> I updated the Installation Instructions here:
> http://code.google.com/p/google-axs-chrome/wiki/InstallingChromeVox and they
> describe how to download it from the Web Store.
> 
> Here is the quick version:
> 1) Make sure you're running Chrome 14 or higher
> 2) Uninstall any previous version of ChromeVox
> 3) Go to the ChromeVox page in the Chrome Web Store:
> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
> 4) Click on the "Add to Chrome" button
> 5) A dialog should pop up titled "Confirm Installation" that lists the
> permissions that ChromeVox needs. We have a wiki page now about why we need
> these permissions if you're interested:
> http://code.google.com/p/google-axs-chrome/wiki/PermissionsGuide . Click on
> the "Install" button to complete the installation process.
> 6) Yay, ChromeVox is now installed!
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Re: Introduction and a few questions

[Eugenia Firth]

Hello Rahul. 
the only one of your questions to which I can respond is to say that I am using 
Safari which comes with your Mac Book for web access. I hope I understood what 
you were asking there. 

Regards, 
Gigi 

On Oct 4, 2011, at 1:31 AM, Rahul Bajaj wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I joined this group just a couple of days ago, so I thought I should
> introduce myself.
> I'm Rahul Bajaj, from Nagpur, India.
> I'm 17.
> I have Leber's congenital amaurosis (LCA).
> So, I  use  my MacBook with VoiceOver.
> 
> I have a few questions for all VoiceOver users.
> Can you suggest some good apps that I should use with VoiceOver?
> Which app do you use on your Mac for reading e-books?
> Which browser should I use with VoiceOver?
> Is there an app that reads CAPTCHAs?
> 
> Please respond to these questions.
> Your feedback would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Cheers,
> Rahul
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Re: technical: making vo speak text from script

[Alex Hall]

Thanks, I think Python can do that. Will that use all the user's
default settings? Is there an interrupt parameter or other switches?

On 10/4/11, Chris Blouch  wrote:
> If you can call regular shell commands they you can use the "say" command:
>
> say some string of text
>
> will speak "some string of text" using the default voiceover voice.
>
> CB
>
> On 10/3/11 7:31 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I use Python for programming, and I would like to make a program I
>> wrote work on the mac. The only reason it does not currently work is a
>> package used on Windows to speak text through the available screen
>> reader. Basically, I want to check if the program is running on a mac
>> and, if it is, speak using vo. However, I can't find how to do this.
>> In a python or apple script, what do I do to get vo to speak a string
>> of text? Python can access apple script and other system libraries, so
>> there must be a way, but how? Is this burried in an objectiveC library
>> somewhere? Any help would be great. Thanks.
>>
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Re: Is the blindmicemart site no longer mac accessible?

[Christine Grassman]

As indicated on the Web site, this is the old movie ault, and a brand-new, 
user-friendly one is on its way. I would hold off on inundating them with 
e-mails until that time. This is a time of transition; they are upgrading their 
entire site. I'm sure they've got it covered.  They always have before.
Christine
On Oct 4, 2011, at 12:46 AM, Shen wrote:

> Hi,
> Just tried opening the movie vault page with Firefox 6.0, it does not like it.
> But, I was able to display the page using Internet Explorer version 8.
> 
> I suspect that if enough people found the page inaccessible due to
> html code issues, Blind Mice Mart will most likely start getting
> emails.
> I also suspect that the html code for the movie vault page is
> hand-written. I tried looking at the codes myself and it was a mess.
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/3/11, Shen  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> No, you don't need to be a member to use the movie vault page. The movie
>> vault page is not part of the main site under construction.
>> The movie vault page is up and running. I just downloaded a movie a couple
>> of weeks ago.
>> The reason Safari and Chrome are not displaying the page is because the page
>> contains incorrect html codes.
>> If you have Windows, try using Internet Explorer. It will display the page
>> regardless of the code problems.
>> hth
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 1, 2011, at 8:01 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:
>> 
>>> I believe when I signed up, there was a member log-in button, and when you
>>> went into that, there was the ability to register if you were not yet a
>>> member.  However, I suspect you won't be able to join until the new site
>>> is up. You could e-mail for info to:
>>> blindmicem...@att.net
>>> 
>>> On Oct 1, 2011, at 9:36 AM, johns.kary wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Christine,
 Thanks for this info.
 How do you become a member of blindmicemart?
 I've never seen anything about  signing   up with them.
 Thanks,
 Kari.
 
 On 01/10/2011, at 10:55 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:
 
> I've had no luck with the movie vault for a few months now -- whenever I
> enter it, it says "empty html". However, according to an e-mail received
> from Blind Mice Mart about a week ago, the new site
> http://www.blindmicemegamall.com
> should be up and running any day.  Oct. 1 was the approximate date noted
> in the e-mail . . . so just a little more waiting . . .
> Christine
> On Oct 1, 2011, at 2:47 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
> 
>> Hi, Kari,
>> 
>> I went to blindmicemart.com and there's a message that indicates it's
>> under massive construction. It's not a Mac issue; just major overhaul,
>> as far as I can tell. It looks like a fun site, by the way; I hadn't
>> known about it. In any case, it says that the movie vault will be open
>> during construction with some broken links, but afterward, it will only
>> be open to members.
>> 
>> HTh,
>> Teresa
>> On Sep 30, 2011, at 11:16 PM, johns.kary wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi guys,
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know what's going on with the blindmicemart movie volt
>>> site?
>>> I can't access it at all on my mac.
>>> I don't have access to a window's computer at the moment to try that.
>>> Anyone know what's going on?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Kari.
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item chooser again

[Eugenia Firth]

I am running Lion. I know we discussed the item chooser, but I had trouble with 
it this morning. I was trying to call up old versions because 1@ wanted to see 
if the current one was missing text I might have deleted. I did the VO-f2 and 
got finally the list of dates (there was only three versions, two for today and 
one you yesterday. I couldn't get the choice for yesterday, which was the one I 
wanted, to come up. I tried I %d think of. I may have missed something here, 
but what was I supposed to have pressed to get yesterday's choice to come up? 

Gigi 

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Re: technical: making vo speak text from script

[Chris Blouch]

As with all shell commands doing

man say

will give you a lot more info. Also look up the previous threads on this 
mailing list where we piped voiceover specific parameters into the text 
stream to do even more tweaks.


CB

On 10/4/11 12:53 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

Thanks, I think Python can do that. Will that use all the user's
default settings? Is there an interrupt parameter or other switches?

On 10/4/11, Chris Blouch  wrote:

If you can call regular shell commands they you can use the "say" command:

say some string of text

will speak "some string of text" using the default voiceover voice.

CB

On 10/3/11 7:31 AM, Alex Hall wrote:

Hi all,
I use Python for programming, and I would like to make a program I
wrote work on the mac. The only reason it does not currently work is a
package used on Windows to speak text through the available screen
reader. Basically, I want to check if the program is running on a mac
and, if it is, speak using vo. However, I can't find how to do this.
In a python or apple script, what do I do to get vo to speak a string
of text? Python can access apple script and other system libraries, so
there must be a way, but how? Is this burried in an objectiveC library
somewhere? Any help would be great. Thanks.


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Re: technical: making vo speak text from script

[Chris Blouch]

Oh, and to answer your other question, there are several python methods 
to launch a shell command. Some discussion and summary can be found here:


http://stackoverflow.com/questions/89228/how-to-call-external-command-in-python

CB
On 10/4/11 2:00 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

As with all shell commands doing

man say

will give you a lot more info. Also look up the previous threads on 
this mailing list where we piped voiceover specific parameters into 
the text stream to do even more tweaks.


CB

On 10/4/11 12:53 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

Thanks, I think Python can do that. Will that use all the user's
default settings? Is there an interrupt parameter or other switches?

On 10/4/11, Chris Blouch  wrote:
If you can call regular shell commands they you can use the "say" 
command:


say some string of text

will speak "some string of text" using the default voiceover voice.

CB

On 10/3/11 7:31 AM, Alex Hall wrote:

Hi all,
I use Python for programming, and I would like to make a program I
wrote work on the mac. The only reason it does not currently work is a
package used on Windows to speak text through the available screen
reader. Basically, I want to check if the program is running on a mac
and, if it is, speak using vo. However, I can't find how to do this.
In a python or apple script, what do I do to get vo to speak a string
of text? Python can access apple script and other system libraries, so
there must be a way, but how? Is this burried in an objectiveC library
somewhere? Any help would be great. Thanks.


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Re: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store!

[David Hole]

This is awwwsome!
I've just installed it, and it was easy as H!
Søren, ChromeVox is a javascript based screen reader for Chrome and 
Chrome OS.
Try it out, and see how good it works in for example gMail! Just 
remember to turn off VO since it disturbs you when using.

-David
Den 04.10.2011 18:32, skrev �:

Sorry, what is Chromevox?
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This is wonderful, fantastic, and awesome! It will resolve 99.99% of
installation/initial setup issues.

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Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:23:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store!
To: axs-chrome-disc...@googlegroups.com

Hi everybody,

I've mentioned this on a couple threads already, but I thought I would make
an announcement to the group...

We just added ChromeVox to the Chrome Web Store! Hooray!

Here are some of the advantages to installing ChromeVox from the Web Store:
- You'll get automatic updates
- Version numbers mean something
- We have a fancy new icon :)

I updated the Installation Instructions here:
http://code.google.com/p/google-axs-chrome/wiki/InstallingChromeVox and they
describe how to download it from the Web Store.

Here is the quick version:
1) Make sure you're running Chrome 14 or higher
2) Uninstall any previous version of ChromeVox
3) Go to the ChromeVox page in the Chrome Web Store:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
4) Click on the "Add to Chrome" button
5) A dialog should pop up titled "Confirm Installation" that lists the
permissions that ChromeVox needs. We have a wiki page now about why we need
these permissions if you're interested:
http://code.google.com/p/google-axs-chrome/wiki/PermissionsGuide . Click on
the "Install" button to complete the installation process.
6) Yay, ChromeVox is now installed!

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Navigating messages in mail classic layout

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Hi all,

I am frustrated with the new lion mail layout since it keeps marking messages 
as read as I scroll through them. Has anyone found a way around it? I have for 
the moment enabled classic layout and disabled the preview pain. Now I am 
running into a different problem.
Is there a way to navigate the messages without having to hear only the from or 
subject column as I change lines? I know I can press vo r to hear all the info 
but then it talks too much saying the headers unnecessarily.

Any help in customizing this would be very appreciated!

Thanks,

Ioana

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Re: Navigating messages in mail classic layout

[Matthew Campbell]

Hi.
This is an easy one.
First stop interacting with the messages table if you are interacted with it. 
You can do this with VO shift up arrow.
Next and finally, use just the arrow keys by them selves with no VO keys.
This should work well for you. However, it will not stop messages from being 
marked unread.
HTH.

On 2011-10-04, at 4:16 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I am frustrated with the new lion mail layout since it keeps marking messages 
> as read as I scroll through them. Has anyone found a way around it? I have 
> for the moment enabled classic layout and disabled the preview pain. Now I am 
> running into a different problem.
> Is there a way to navigate the messages without having to hear only the from 
> or subject column as I change lines? I know I can press vo r to hear all the 
> info but then it talks too much saying the headers unnecessarily.
> 
> Any help in customizing this would be very appreciated!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ioana
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The continuing adventures of David eagle and his Apple Mac computer. this time it's about Sendspace.

[David Eagle]

Hi, here we go again. Every time I switch on my Mac I take a deep
breath. I think about all the amazing reviews I’ve read about these
computers and assume that perhaps, this time, I will finally have a
really positive experience. Today’s task was uploading something to
sendspace. Things started off so well. Sendspace.com loaded no
problem; I found the select file button no problem/ when I clicked on
it, I got a window opening for me to choose my file. I’m not saying
this is the fault of the Mac; it’s probably me and my stubbornness
after years of using windows, but it took me ages to find the file I
wanted. Did I have to interact with the sidebar or the thing that was
called list. There was also a popup menu with a folder selected.
Choices choices. After a few minutes of pressing buttons I found the
file. The process seemed to have some level of cohesion to it, but I’m
not sure what exactly it was. I’m sure it’s very clever and much
simpler than the windows way of doing things. In windows I could have
found my file in three seconds, rather than four minutes.

Anyway, I accept that this is probably just something I need to learn
and practise. Fine. I found my file and went to upload. I pressed the
upload button and I got: “Safari busy. Busy. Busy. Busy”. After a half
a minute I eventually heard “safari, ready”. Hurrah, I can finally
check to see if my file is uploading. I pressed VO right arrow and
heard to my dismay “Safari busy. Busy. Busy”. I quit safari and tried
again. But I got the same problem. Yet again I shut down my Mac and
booted up my windows machine. Within two minutes my file was happily
uploading to send space. While it uploaded I checked my emails using
another instance of Internet explorer. The file has now finished
uploading and I am going to email it to my friends. Windows hasn’t
said “busy” at me once. And what really gets me about this is that the
netbook cost £150 and I’m using the free screen reader NVDA.

How is it possible? I really want to know. I’ve got way more am than
my windows machine, and my Mac cost fifteen times more than my
netbook. How come I have to keep turning off my Mac and turning on my
windows machine? The mac looks great; it’s fast; it’s really quiet –
very little fan noise. But it can’t do things. It’s ten times faster
than my windows computer, but that only means it can do much more to
annoy me in a far shorter period of time than my windows computer.

I want to join the Mac party. You all seem so elated by your Macs. Is
there a magic button to press that starts making it behave. I know I’m
ranting again but surely you can see my point. Is my experience so
anomalous? I read about all these people who say they bought a Mac and
now never use windows. But if I didn’t have a windows computer then
I’d achieve nothing.

I know this isn’t’ VO specific. I know it may even annoy some of you.
I know it’s not a particularly productive email. But if you do find
this email to be annoying and unproductive, think of it as a metaphor
for my general experience with the Mac. I feel as if I am the odd one
out, and I am waiting for the day that I am castigated from this list
for being “too PC”. O what irony. I hope you all enjoyed my hilarious
ending joke. I’m so sorry for ranting. I feel like an idiot. Please,
treat me like one. Tell me how I get the Mac to do the fundamental
element of a computer. That is: to compute! Because I am going to end
up not bothering to turn this machine on, which is such a shame
because it should be a great computer? Apparently.

I’m sure I’ll get there, and I promise, if I do, I’ll be singing the
Mac’s praises.
Thanks to everyone for being so patient and understanding.



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Re: Navigating messages in mail classic layout

[Matt Dierckens]

Hey,
Is there a way to make mail not say blank before the message? I find it kind of 
slow when going down my messages list withouth interacting with the table.

Matt
Sent from my macbook pro

On 2011-10-04, at 4:26 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote:

> Hi.
> This is an easy one.
> First stop interacting with the messages table if you are interacted with it. 
> You can do this with VO shift up arrow.
> Next and finally, use just the arrow keys by them selves with no VO keys.
> This should work well for you. However, it will not stop messages from being 
> marked unread.
> HTH.
> 
> On 2011-10-04, at 4:16 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I am frustrated with the new lion mail layout since it keeps marking 
>> messages as read as I scroll through them. Has anyone found a way around it? 
>> I have for the moment enabled classic layout and disabled the preview pain. 
>> Now I am running into a different problem.
>> Is there a way to navigate the messages without having to hear only the from 
>> or subject column as I change lines? I know I can press vo r to hear all the 
>> info but then it talks too much saying the headers unnecessarily.
>> 
>> Any help in customizing this would be very appreciated!
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Ioana
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Re: Navigating messages in mail classic layout

[Vítor Oliveira]

I'm working very fine with standard layout, full screen and quick nav off. No 
problems at all!


Vítor Oliveira
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A 04/10/2011, às 21:16, Ioana Gandrabur escreveu:

> Hi all,
> 
> I am frustrated with the new lion mail layout since it keeps marking messages 
> as read as I scroll through them. Has anyone found a way around it? I have 
> for the moment enabled classic layout and disabled the preview pain. Now I am 
> running into a different problem.
> Is there a way to navigate the messages without having to hear only the from 
> or subject column as I change lines? I know I can press vo r to hear all the 
> info but then it talks too much saying the headers unnecessarily.
> 
> Any help in customizing this would be very appreciated!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ioana
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setting up a printer for the first time

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi Guys. 
I have not yet had a printer on my Mac. My husband and I have a network printer 
since I don't use it very much. He had tried to set up a printer on the iPhone 
and get Air Print to work. He couldn't get it to work. 
I just had a situation where I wanted to print a file from TextEdit. However, I 
couldn't figure out how to do printer setup. I went to help, and couldn't find 
it. I finally had to make a copy of the file, and go to the Vista desk top 
computer running Jaws. The file has to be postmarked by tomorrow, so I had to 
get it done. I guess I should have figured this out before I needed it. 
Thanks ahead of time guys.  

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Show Notes for Podcasts

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, all,

This is just a general question. I notice on several podcasts that show notes 
are mentioned. What is the conventional way to find these? Are they usually on 
a web site, or does ITunes have them?

Thanks,
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Re: I can't download anything all of a sudden

[David Eagle]

Thank a lot for that tip.

On 04/10/2011, Shen  wrote:
> Hi,
> I've had the same problems too. I never had this issue with Snow Leopard, so
> this is definitely a VoiceOver and Lion thing.
> Here is my workaround. You can try this too.
> If you don't get the correct menu when pressing VO-Shift-M, then first put
> the mouse on the link by pressing VO-CMD-F5.
> Next, hold down the Control key and click the mouse.
> This performs a control click on the item where the mouse is. This is
> equivalent to opening the shortcut menu.
> Whenever I do this, I always get the menu I need.
> hth
>
> On Oct 3, 2011, at 3:12 PM, David Eagle wrote:
>
>> Hi Esther. Thank you so much for that very thorough reply. I am always
>> humbled by the generosity of people on the list, especially after my
>> massive rants. Your option return trick worked a treat. Very strange;
>> I don't know why it didn't recognise the link as a download link, -
>> weirdly the first download link on the page does work, it's just the
>> rest that don't - but at least I have a way round it.
>>
>> Regarding Safari Busy: I don't think I should be low on System
>> resources since I have loads of ram and there shouldn't be anything
>> else running in the background; however Safari hasn't been busy today
>> so that's good.
>>
>> Thanks again for taking the time to respond. It is much appreciated. I
>> am also very Impressed by your knowledge. It's amazing how used to
>> windows I am, since I have used it all my life and still use it at
>> work and a bit at home. I will get there eventually.
>>
>> On 03/10/2011, Esther  wrote:
>>> Hello David,
>>>
>>> First of all, I'm not sure from your description what is going on, but
>>> one
>>> way to force the download of linked content such as mp3 files or PDF
>>> files
>>> when you are focused on the link is to press Option+Enter.  (A Mac purist
>>> would call this key combination Option+"Return", which is how VoiceOver
>>> identifies the key that most Windows users call the  "Enter" key when you
>>> press it while you are in Keyboard Help mode (turned on with VO+K and
>>> terminated by pressing the Escape key; VoiceOver announces the pressed
>>> key
>>> combinations and their actions but doesn't  act on the keys in this
>>> mode);
>>> on the older Mac keyboards there was both an "Enter" key which could be
>>> assigned different functions and a "Return" key).  For a few oddly coded
>>> sites like the main Blind Cool Tech web site you have to first interact
>>> with
>>> the link for a podcast before you can use either VO-Shift-M to bring up
>>> the
>>> contextual menu to select your option (copy link, download linked file,
>>> etc.) or press Option+Enter to force a download of the linked file.
>>>
>>> If your linked MP3 file has started playing in the browser after you
>>> activated the link (e.g. by pressing VO-Space or pressing the up and down
>>> arrow keys together with QuickNav turned on), then you can get the file
>>> to
>>> download by pressing Command+L to highlight the URL in the address bar
>>> followed by Option+Enter to force the download of your selection.  These
>>> keyboard shortcuts work generally under Mac OS X and do not depend on
>>> VoiceOver. Also, it does not matter if you keep the toolbar of your web
>>> browser hidden.  Command+L will momentarily open the toolbar and
>>> highlight
>>> your current address. Then, after you press your Option+Enter, it will
>>> close
>>> the toolbar. This also works if you want to copy your current URL or go
>>> directly to the Google search field with Command+Option+F to type in
>>> search
>>> terms and press "Return" to execute the search, but still generally keep
>>> your toolbar hidden.  The toolbar will open for your Command+L, Command+C
>>> or
>>> your Command+Option+F and entry of typed search terms, and then close
>>> again
>>> after you press Return or perform your next action.
>>>
>>> The switch between Safari busy and Safari ready happens when you're
>>> running
>>> low on system resources.  In some cases this can be due to insufficient
>>> memory, but if you see this behavior associated with certain web pages
>>> it's
>>> more likely that the coding for that page is putting extra stress on your
>>> Safari browser -- either by the use of dynamically updating javascript or
>>> Flash content.  Since VoiceOver uses the system memory resources, too,
>>> it's
>>> sensitive to high usage and inefficiencies. The bigger consumers are
>>> Safari
>>> and iTunes, which is why you're more likely to hear the "busy" message
>>> associated with Safari.  This is not specific to Voiceover -- sighted
>>> users
>>> will refer to a visual cue for "busy" as the "spinning pinwheel of death
>>> (or
>>> SPOD)" associated with system lockups in the same circumstances.  In
>>> general, good system maintenance helps minimize these busy messages.  You
>>> can try clearing out your Safari caches periodically to free up more
>>> memory.
>>> The "Reset Safari" menu option accessed fro

Facebook Suggestions

[Traci]

Hi all,

What FB apps might you use on your Mac?  I've downloaded FaceTab, and so far, 
I'm finding it ok.

I've also seen apps and such for notifications.  Does anyone use some of these? 
 Anything to make the FB experience better.  Lol!

Thanks,
Traci

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Can you call me to install lion?

[Jennifer Perdue]

Hi all,

I am new at the Mac and would like to install lion on my Mac mini.  

If someone could call me I will give my phone number to whom ever responds to 
this e-mail privately.

Thank you for your help in advance.

Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks
On Oct 4, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

> I am running Lion. I know we discussed the item chooser, but I had trouble 
> with it this morning. I was trying to call up old versions because 1@ wanted 
> to see if the current one was missing text I might have deleted. I did the 
> VO-f2 and got finally the list of dates (there was only three versions, two 
> for today and one you yesterday. I couldn't get the choice for yesterday, 
> which was the one I wanted, to come up. I tried I %d think of. I may have 
> missed something here, but what was I supposed to have pressed to get 
> yesterday's choice to come up? 
> 
> Gigi 
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Re: Navigating messages in mail classic layout

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Hi all,

I made the switch ok to the classic layout. I beg to differ about the messages 
being marked as read as you arrow through them. My husband turned off the 
preview pain, not sure how but it involved dragging it out of existence  and 
now unless I press return on the message it remains unread. Much better for 
optimizing the data downloaded to the mac.

Take care,

Ioana
On Oct 4, 2011, at 4:26 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote:

> Hi.
> This is an easy one.
> First stop interacting with the messages table if you are interacted with it. 
> You can do this with VO shift up arrow.
> Next and finally, use just the arrow keys by them selves with no VO keys.
> This should work well for you. However, it will not stop messages from being 
> marked unread.
> HTH.
> 
> On 2011-10-04, at 4:16 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I am frustrated with the new lion mail layout since it keeps marking 
>> messages as read as I scroll through them. Has anyone found a way around it? 
>> I have for the moment enabled classic layout and disabled the preview pain. 
>> Now I am running into a different problem.
>> Is there a way to navigate the messages without having to hear only the from 
>> or subject column as I change lines? I know I can press vo r to hear all the 
>> info but then it talks too much saying the headers unnecessarily.
>> 
>> Any help in customizing this would be very appreciated!
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Ioana
>> 
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Re: Show Notes for Podcasts

[Aser Tolentino]

Show notes are typically embedded in a podcast file. Tapping on a playing 
podcast's album art in the iPod app will display them. Most podcast apps have 
some similar feature, often part of a contextual menu. You can also usually 
find the notes at the podcast's feed page.


HTH
Aser
Sent from my iPad

On Oct 4, 2011, at 2:50 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Hi, all,
> 
> This is just a general question. I notice on several podcasts that show notes 
> are mentioned. What is the conventional way to find these? Are they usually 
> on a web site, or does ITunes have them?
> 
> Thanks,
> Teresa
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Question about Conversation View in YoruFukurou

[Marc Workman]

Hi,

If I press command 3 on a tweet that is part of a conversation, it takes me to 
the conversation view.  The problem I have is that, when arrowing up and down 
through the conversation, only part of each tweet is read by voiceover.  It 
might say the first three or four words, but that's it.  I can see the entire 
tweet by going into the drawer, but I'm wondering if there is an easier way to 
read the tweets in a conversation.

Thanks in advance for any assistance.

Cheers,

Marc

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update on searching mailbox for specific messages in lion

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Hi all,

I just checked with apple and discovered that the search mailbox is too smart 
for its own good. If you type let's say >june> in the search field it assumes 
you are looking for a date and will not let you look in other fields easily. 
One of these instances  where it thinks it knows what you want and is wrong.

I found an interesting workaround for the time.
If in the message table and not interacting with it you can type the text you 
are looking for and it will find the first occurrence of the text in what ever 
field it is. If you want the next occurrence you type the text again and it 
finds it. Not ideal but works.

HOpe they fix this.

Best,

Ioana

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Re: Show Notes for Podcasts

[Teresa Cochran]

Thank you very much. I will check this out.

Teresa
On Oct 4, 2011, at 5:17 PM, Aser Tolentino wrote:

> Show notes are typically embedded in a podcast file. Tapping on a playing 
> podcast's album art in the iPod app will display them. Most podcast apps have 
> some similar feature, often part of a contextual menu. You can also usually 
> find the notes at the podcast's feed page.
> 
> 
> HTH
> Aser
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Oct 4, 2011, at 2:50 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> 
>> Hi, all,
>> 
>> This is just a general question. I notice on several podcasts that show 
>> notes are mentioned. What is the conventional way to find these? Are they 
>> usually on a web site, or does ITunes have them?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Teresa
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editing html code

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Hi all,
In windows I would sometimes use notepad to make simple additions to my news 
section of my web page.
I have downloaded the html file and was wondering what best to use to add more 
entries. I basically need to see the code exactly to replicate it for the new 
entries. Hope this explanation makes sense.

Thanks for your help,

Ioana

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Re: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store!

[Jim Fettgather]

I had downloaded and installed Chrome, have gone to the Chrome store, 
and installed Chromebox, but when starting Chrome, and turning off 
Voiceover, still no speech.


I just get the typical bong sound when using Control option  right arrow 
or down arrow, so not sure how to ensure that everything is installed 
properly.

Thanks for any tips.



On 10/4/2011 1:17 PM, David Hole wrote:

This is awwwsome!
I've just installed it, and it was easy as H!
Søren, ChromeVox is a javascript based screen reader for Chrome and 
Chrome OS.
Try it out, and see how good it works in for example gMail! Just 
remember to turn off VO since it disturbs you when using.

-David
Den 04.10.2011 18:32, skrev �:

Sorry, what is Chromevox?
Best regards:
S�ren Jensen
Mail&  MSN:
s...@coolfortheblind.dk
Website:
http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/

Den 04/10/2011 kl. 04.54 skrev Kevin Chao:


This is wonderful, fantastic, and awesome! It will resolve 99.99% of
installation/initial setup issues.

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Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:23:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store!
To: axs-chrome-disc...@googlegroups.com

Hi everybody,

I've mentioned this on a couple threads already, but I thought I 
would make

an announcement to the group...

We just added ChromeVox to the Chrome Web Store! Hooray!

Here are some of the advantages to installing ChromeVox from the Web 
Store:

- You'll get automatic updates
- Version numbers mean something
- We have a fancy new icon :)

I updated the Installation Instructions here:
http://code.google.com/p/google-axs-chrome/wiki/InstallingChromeVox 
and they

describe how to download it from the Web Store.

Here is the quick version:
1) Make sure you're running Chrome 14 or higher
2) Uninstall any previous version of ChromeVox
3) Go to the ChromeVox page in the Chrome Web Store:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn 


4) Click on the "Add to Chrome" button
5) A dialog should pop up titled "Confirm Installation" that lists the
permissions that ChromeVox needs. We have a wiki page now about why 
we need

these permissions if you're interested:
http://code.google.com/p/google-axs-chrome/wiki/PermissionsGuide . 
Click on

the "Install" button to complete the installation process.
6) Yay, ChromeVox is now installed!

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Re: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store!

[Kevin Chao]

Which version of Chrome are you running> GO to Chrome Menu>About and
copy that info and paste it into an email message. Before installing
ChromeVox from Chrome Web Store, did you uninstall the previous
version?
Omnibar: Chrome://extensions/
TAB to uninstall, RETURN, and OK.
now, you can install ChromeVox from Chrome Web Store.

Kevin

On 10/4/11, Jim Fettgather  wrote:
> I had downloaded and installed Chrome, have gone to the Chrome store,
> and installed Chromebox, but when starting Chrome, and turning off
> Voiceover, still no speech.
>
> I just get the typical bong sound when using Control option  right arrow
> or down arrow, so not sure how to ensure that everything is installed
> properly.
> Thanks for any tips.
>
>
>
> On 10/4/2011 1:17 PM, David Hole wrote:
>> This is awwwsome!
>> I've just installed it, and it was easy as H!
>> Søren, ChromeVox is a javascript based screen reader for Chrome and
>> Chrome OS.
>> Try it out, and see how good it works in for example gMail! Just
>> remember to turn off VO since it disturbs you when using.
>> -David
>> Den 04.10.2011 18:32, skrev �:
>>> Sorry, what is Chromevox?
>>> Best regards:
>>> S�ren Jensen
>>> Mail&  MSN:
>>> s...@coolfortheblind.dk
>>> Website:
>>> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
>>>
>>> Den 04/10/2011 kl. 04.54 skrev Kevin Chao:
>>>
 This is wonderful, fantastic, and awesome! It will resolve 99.99% of
 installation/initial setup issues.

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 From: rshearer
 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:23:53 -0700 (PDT)
 Subject: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store!
 To: axs-chrome-disc...@googlegroups.com

 Hi everybody,

 I've mentioned this on a couple threads already, but I thought I
 would make
 an announcement to the group...

 We just added ChromeVox to the Chrome Web Store! Hooray!

 Here are some of the advantages to installing ChromeVox from the Web
 Store:
 - You'll get automatic updates
 - Version numbers mean something
 - We have a fancy new icon :)

 I updated the Installation Instructions here:
 http://code.google.com/p/google-axs-chrome/wiki/InstallingChromeVox
 and they
 describe how to download it from the Web Store.

 Here is the quick version:
 1) Make sure you're running Chrome 14 or higher
 2) Uninstall any previous version of ChromeVox
 3) Go to the ChromeVox page in the Chrome Web Store:
 https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn


 4) Click on the "Add to Chrome" button
 5) A dialog should pop up titled "Confirm Installation" that lists the
 permissions that ChromeVox needs. We have a wiki page now about why
 we need
 these permissions if you're interested:
 http://code.google.com/p/google-axs-chrome/wiki/PermissionsGuide .
 Click on
 the "Install" button to complete the installation process.
 6) Yay, ChromeVox is now installed!

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Re: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store!

[Ryan Mann]

Try hitting Command+l. Type in a web site and press Enter. After I do that, I 
get speech. I am wondering why we don't get speech from the beginning though.

On Oct 4, 2011, at 9:36 PM, Jim Fettgather wrote:

> I had downloaded and installed Chrome, have gone to the Chrome store, and 
> installed Chromebox, but when starting Chrome, and turning off Voiceover, 
> still no speech.
> 
> I just get the typical bong sound when using Control option  right arrow or 
> down arrow, so not sure how to ensure that everything is installed properly.
> Thanks for any tips.
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/4/2011 1:17 PM, David Hole wrote:
>> This is awwwsome!
>> I've just installed it, and it was easy as H!
>> Søren, ChromeVox is a javascript based screen reader for Chrome and Chrome 
>> OS.
>> Try it out, and see how good it works in for example gMail! Just remember to 
>> turn off VO since it disturbs you when using.
>> -David
>> Den 04.10.2011 18:32, skrev �:
>>> Sorry, what is Chromevox?
>>> Best regards:
>>> S�ren Jensen
>>> Mail&  MSN:
>>> s...@coolfortheblind.dk
>>> Website:
>>> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
>>> 
>>> Den 04/10/2011 kl. 04.54 skrev Kevin Chao:
>>> 
 This is wonderful, fantastic, and awesome! It will resolve 99.99% of
 installation/initial setup issues.
 
 -- Forwarded message --
 From: rshearer
 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:23:53 -0700 (PDT)
 Subject: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store!
 To: axs-chrome-disc...@googlegroups.com
 
 Hi everybody,
 
 I've mentioned this on a couple threads already, but I thought I would make
 an announcement to the group...
 
 We just added ChromeVox to the Chrome Web Store! Hooray!
 
 Here are some of the advantages to installing ChromeVox from the Web Store:
 - You'll get automatic updates
 - Version numbers mean something
 - We have a fancy new icon :)
 
 I updated the Installation Instructions here:
 http://code.google.com/p/google-axs-chrome/wiki/InstallingChromeVox and 
 they
 describe how to download it from the Web Store.
 
 Here is the quick version:
 1) Make sure you're running Chrome 14 or higher
 2) Uninstall any previous version of ChromeVox
 3) Go to the ChromeVox page in the Chrome Web Store:
 https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn 
 4) Click on the "Add to Chrome" button
 5) A dialog should pop up titled "Confirm Installation" that lists the
 permissions that ChromeVox needs. We have a wiki page now about why we need
 these permissions if you're interested:
 http://code.google.com/p/google-axs-chrome/wiki/PermissionsGuide . Click on
 the "Install" button to complete the installation process.
 6) Yay, ChromeVox is now installed!
 
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Re: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store!

[Jim Fettgather]

I'm not sure why this might be, but on the opening Chrome page, I
could not to get speech to work at all. The moment I pressed Control T
to open a new tab, after typing in a web address, everything worked as
expected, in fact, better than expected.  Thank you for the tip.



On 10/4/11, Kevin Chao  wrote:
> Which version of Chrome are you running> GO to Chrome Menu>About and
> copy that info and paste it into an email message. Before installing
> ChromeVox from Chrome Web Store, did you uninstall the previous
> version?
> Omnibar: Chrome://extensions/
> TAB to uninstall, RETURN, and OK.
> now, you can install ChromeVox from Chrome Web Store.
>
> Kevin
>
> On 10/4/11, Jim Fettgather  wrote:
>> I had downloaded and installed Chrome, have gone to the Chrome store,
>> and installed Chromebox, but when starting Chrome, and turning off
>> Voiceover, still no speech.
>>
>> I just get the typical bong sound when using Control option  right arrow
>> or down arrow, so not sure how to ensure that everything is installed
>> properly.
>> Thanks for any tips.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/4/2011 1:17 PM, David Hole wrote:
>>> This is awwwsome!
>>> I've just installed it, and it was easy as H!
>>> Søren, ChromeVox is a javascript based screen reader for Chrome and
>>> Chrome OS.
>>> Try it out, and see how good it works in for example gMail! Just
>>> remember to turn off VO since it disturbs you when using.
>>> -David
>>> Den 04.10.2011 18:32, skrev �:
 Sorry, what is Chromevox?
 Best regards:
 S�ren Jensen
 Mail&  MSN:
 s...@coolfortheblind.dk
 Website:
 http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/

 Den 04/10/2011 kl. 04.54 skrev Kevin Chao:

> This is wonderful, fantastic, and awesome! It will resolve 99.99% of
> installation/initial setup issues.
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: rshearer
> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:23:53 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store!
> To: axs-chrome-disc...@googlegroups.com
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> I've mentioned this on a couple threads already, but I thought I
> would make
> an announcement to the group...
>
> We just added ChromeVox to the Chrome Web Store! Hooray!
>
> Here are some of the advantages to installing ChromeVox from the Web
> Store:
> - You'll get automatic updates
> - Version numbers mean something
> - We have a fancy new icon :)
>
> I updated the Installation Instructions here:
> http://code.google.com/p/google-axs-chrome/wiki/InstallingChromeVox
> and they
> describe how to download it from the Web Store.
>
> Here is the quick version:
> 1) Make sure you're running Chrome 14 or higher
> 2) Uninstall any previous version of ChromeVox
> 3) Go to the ChromeVox page in the Chrome Web Store:
> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
>
>
> 4) Click on the "Add to Chrome" button
> 5) A dialog should pop up titled "Confirm Installation" that lists the
> permissions that ChromeVox needs. We have a wiki page now about why
> we need
> these permissions if you're interested:
> http://code.google.com/p/google-axs-chrome/wiki/PermissionsGuide .
> Click on
> the "Install" button to complete the installation process.
> 6) Yay, ChromeVox is now installed!
>
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Re: Is listening to drm protected windows media files on mac possible?

[Brian Albriton]

I used to get this question from people using books from overdrive. An
old mac user said they used something called soundtaxi. soundtaxi.com
I believe is the website but I know nothing other than this fellow
said he had success with it.

On 9/24/11, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
> Hi all,
> Subject says it all.
> Can I use mac software to listen to netlibrary books encoded with drm in wma
> format on the mac?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ioana
>
> (Sent from my phone)
>
> Please check out my new CD at www.ioanagandrabur.com or on itunes.
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RE: The continuing adventures of David eagle and his Apple Mac computer. this time it's about Sendspace.

[Marcia Yale]

I can definitely relate--Finder is one of the most confusing aps and I agree
it takes much longer to find files for me than it does on my Windows
machine. I find both Finder and ITunes confusing in the way they are laid
out and would welcome any tutorials on either one of these aps. I have
already read the Apple 101 tutorial for ITunes but found it sadly lacking as
it didn't have any information relating to VoiceOver.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Eagle
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 4:32 PM
To: macvisionaries
Subject: The continuing adventures of David eagle and his Apple Mac
computer. this time it's about Sendspace.

Hi, here we go again. Every time I switch on my Mac I take a deep breath. I
think about all the amazing reviews I’ve read about these computers and
assume that perhaps, this time, I will finally have a really positive
experience. Today’s task was uploading something to sendspace. Things
started off so well. Sendspace.com loaded no problem; I found the select
file button no problem/ when I clicked on it, I got a window opening for me
to choose my file. I’m not saying this is the fault of the Mac; it’s
probably me and my stubbornness after years of using windows, but it took me
ages to find the file I wanted. Did I have to interact with the sidebar or
the thing that was called list. There was also a popup menu with a folder
selected.
Choices choices. After a few minutes of pressing buttons I found the file.
The process seemed to have some level of cohesion to it, but I’m not sure
what exactly it was. I’m sure it’s very clever and much simpler than the
windows way of doing things. In windows I could have found my file in three
seconds, rather than four minutes.

Anyway, I accept that this is probably just something I need to learn and
practise. Fine. I found my file and went to upload. I pressed the upload
button and I got: “Safari busy. Busy. Busy. Busy”. After a half a minute I
eventually heard “safari, ready”. Hurrah, I can finally check to see if my
file is uploading. I pressed VO right arrow and heard to my dismay “Safari
busy. Busy. Busy”. I quit safari and tried again. But I got the same
problem. Yet again I shut down my Mac and booted up my windows machine.
Within two minutes my file was happily uploading to send space. While it
uploaded I checked my emails using another instance of Internet explorer.
The file has now finished uploading and I am going to email it to my
friends. Windows hasn’t said “busy” at me once. And what really gets me
about this is that the netbook cost £150 and I’m using the free screen
reader NVDA.

How is it possible? I really want to know. I’ve got way more am than my
windows machine, and my Mac cost fifteen times more than my netbook. How
come I have to keep turning off my Mac and turning on my windows machine?
The mac looks great; it’s fast; it’s really quiet – very little fan noise.
But it can’t do things. It’s ten times faster than my windows computer, but
that only means it can do much more to annoy me in a far shorter period of
time than my windows computer.

I want to join the Mac party. You all seem so elated by your Macs. Is there
a magic button to press that starts making it behave. I know I’m ranting
again but surely you can see my point. Is my experience so anomalous? I read
about all these people who say they bought a Mac and now never use windows.
But if I didn’t have a windows computer then I’d achieve nothing.

I know this isn’t’ VO specific. I know it may even annoy some of you.
I know it’s not a particularly productive email. But if you do find this
email to be annoying and unproductive, think of it as a metaphor for my
general experience with the Mac. I feel as if I am the odd one out, and I am
waiting for the day that I am castigated from this list for being “too PC”.
O what irony. I hope you all enjoyed my hilarious ending joke. I’m so sorry
for ranting. I feel like an idiot. Please, treat me like one. Tell me how I
get the Mac to do the fundamental element of a computer. That is: to
compute! Because I am going to end up not bothering to turn this machine on,
which is such a shame because it should be a great computer? Apparently.

I’m sure I’ll get there, and I promise, if I do, I’ll be singing the Mac’s
praises.
Thanks to everyone for being so patient and understanding.



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Re: The continuing adventures of David eagle and his Apple Mac computer. this time it's about Sendspace.

[Alex Hall]

Here's what I have found by just experimenting...

1. The list and sidebar are both important. The sidebar is where you
select your location, and the list (after the vertical splitter) shows
the contents of what you have selected.
2. Cmd up closes a folder in a tree, and cmd down opens one.
3. It is easiest to hit cmd-3 when in the finder. In this mode, right
arrow opens folders and left arrow closes them, just like trees in
windows.

Again, this is what I have found while playing around so I could be
wrong. By the way, has anyone found a way to just type a path? In
windows, I nearly always just open up the run box and type the path to
where I want to go, but I'm not sure if finder has a way to do that.
Sometimes I just want to fire up bash and forget the rest of the
interface exists!

On 10/4/11, Marcia Yale  wrote:
> I can definitely relate--Finder is one of the most confusing aps and I agree
> it takes much longer to find files for me than it does on my Windows
> machine. I find both Finder and ITunes confusing in the way they are laid
> out and would welcome any tutorials on either one of these aps. I have
> already read the Apple 101 tutorial for ITunes but found it sadly lacking as
> it didn't have any information relating to VoiceOver.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Eagle
> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 4:32 PM
> To: macvisionaries
> Subject: The continuing adventures of David eagle and his Apple Mac
> computer. this time it's about Sendspace.
>
> Hi, here we go again. Every time I switch on my Mac I take a deep breath. I
> think about all the amazing reviews I’ve read about these computers and
> assume that perhaps, this time, I will finally have a really positive
> experience. Today’s task was uploading something to sendspace. Things
> started off so well. Sendspace.com loaded no problem; I found the select
> file button no problem/ when I clicked on it, I got a window opening for me
> to choose my file. I’m not saying this is the fault of the Mac; it’s
> probably me and my stubbornness after years of using windows, but it took me
> ages to find the file I wanted. Did I have to interact with the sidebar or
> the thing that was called list. There was also a popup menu with a folder
> selected.
> Choices choices. After a few minutes of pressing buttons I found the file.
> The process seemed to have some level of cohesion to it, but I’m not sure
> what exactly it was. I’m sure it’s very clever and much simpler than the
> windows way of doing things. In windows I could have found my file in three
> seconds, rather than four minutes.
>
> Anyway, I accept that this is probably just something I need to learn and
> practise. Fine. I found my file and went to upload. I pressed the upload
> button and I got: “Safari busy. Busy. Busy. Busy”. After a half a minute I
> eventually heard “safari, ready”. Hurrah, I can finally check to see if my
> file is uploading. I pressed VO right arrow and heard to my dismay “Safari
> busy. Busy. Busy”. I quit safari and tried again. But I got the same
> problem. Yet again I shut down my Mac and booted up my windows machine.
> Within two minutes my file was happily uploading to send space. While it
> uploaded I checked my emails using another instance of Internet explorer.
> The file has now finished uploading and I am going to email it to my
> friends. Windows hasn’t said “busy” at me once. And what really gets me
> about this is that the netbook cost £150 and I’m using the free screen
> reader NVDA.
>
> How is it possible? I really want to know. I’ve got way more am than my
> windows machine, and my Mac cost fifteen times more than my netbook. How
> come I have to keep turning off my Mac and turning on my windows machine?
> The mac looks great; it’s fast; it’s really quiet – very little fan noise.
> But it can’t do things. It’s ten times faster than my windows computer, but
> that only means it can do much more to annoy me in a far shorter period of
> time than my windows computer.
>
> I want to join the Mac party. You all seem so elated by your Macs. Is there
> a magic button to press that starts making it behave. I know I’m ranting
> again but surely you can see my point. Is my experience so anomalous? I read
> about all these people who say they bought a Mac and now never use windows.
> But if I didn’t have a windows computer then I’d achieve nothing.
>
> I know this isn’t’ VO specific. I know it may even annoy some of you.
> I know it’s not a particularly productive email. But if you do find this
> email to be annoying and unproductive, think of it as a metaphor for my
> general experience with the Mac. I feel as if I am the odd one out, and I am
> waiting for the day that I am castigated from this list for being “too PC”.
> O what irony. I hope you all enjoyed my hilarious ending joke. I’m so sorry
> for ranting. I feel like an idiot. Please, treat me like one. Tell

Re: editing html code

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, Ioana,

I'd think TextEdit would work well for this. I used to use Notepad for this 
very same thing. I haven't tried this with TextEdit, but I'm sure it would 
work. Just be sure you save it as a text file and don't have any formatting in 
it. Then you could save another version as html and view it in Safari to check 
the results.

HTH,
Teresa
On Oct 4, 2011, at 6:05 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:

> Hi all,
> In windows I would sometimes use notepad to make simple additions to my news 
> section of my web page.
> I have downloaded the html file and was wondering what best to use to add 
> more entries. I basically need to see the code exactly to replicate it for 
> the new entries. Hope this explanation makes sense.
> 
> Thanks for your help,
> 
> Ioana
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Option-click

[Austin Seraphin]

I searched and found someone asked this before. How do you option-click a 
button? Ricardo mentioned turning the Trackpad commander off and clicking while 
holding down the option. I tried that and just got the desktop, or more likely 
whatever random object over which my finger sat. So does anyone know how to 
option-click a button? Thanks.

 - Austin

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Re: The continuing adventures of David eagle and his Apple Mac computer. this time it's about Sendspace.

[Esther]

Hello Alex, 

To answer your question, yes, you can simply type a path to the folder for any 
file in Finder.  Use the shortcut key sequence Command-Shift-G for "Go to 
folder" when you're in Finder or in any dialog window that asks you for a file. 
 In the text box type or paste in the path you want to use and press return.  
This path can be to a folder on a mounted external disk, a system library, 
another user's account, etc.  For example, if I have a file named 
"my_paper.doc" in a sub-folder of "Documents" named "Papers" on a Crucial USB 
memory stick that in plugged into the USB port on my computer, I can navigate 
to that folder with Command-Shift-G and type in a path like:
/Volumes/Crucial/Documents/Papers
and press "Return".  This will point Finder to this folder, and I can then 
navigate to the file I want, for example, by typing the first few letters of 
the file name.  If I press Command-Down Arrow when I am on that file I will 
open it with the default application (e.g., TextEdit for a text file, Preview 
for a PDF file, etc.). If I navigated to an application, then pressing 
Command-Down Arrow launches the application.

However, most applications will be in either the Applications folder or the 
Utilities subfolder of the Applications folder, and there are separate 
shortcuts to move to those folders (Command-Shift-A for "Applications"; and 
Command-Shift-U for "Utilities").

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Oct 4, 2011, at 17:12, Alex Hall wrote:

> Here's what I have found by just experimenting...
> 
> 1. The list and sidebar are both important. The sidebar is where you
> select your location, and the list (after the vertical splitter) shows
> the contents of what you have selected.
> 2. Cmd up closes a folder in a tree, and cmd down opens one.
> 3. It is easiest to hit cmd-3 when in the finder. In this mode, right
> arrow opens folders and left arrow closes them, just like trees in
> windows.
> 
> Again, this is what I have found while playing around so I could be
> wrong. By the way, has anyone found a way to just type a path? In
> windows, I nearly always just open up the run box and type the path to
> where I want to go, but I'm not sure if finder has a way to do that.
> Sometimes I just want to fire up bash and forget the rest of the
> interface exists!
> 
> On 10/4/11, Marcia Yale  wrote:
>> I can definitely relate--Finder is one of the most confusing aps and I agree
>> it takes much longer to find files for me than it does on my Windows
>> machine. I find both Finder and ITunes confusing in the way they are laid
>> out and would welcome any tutorials on either one of these aps. I have
>> already read the Apple 101 tutorial for ITunes but found it sadly lacking as
>> it didn't have any information relating to VoiceOver.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Eagle
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 4:32 PM
>> To: macvisionaries
>> Subject: The continuing adventures of David eagle and his Apple Mac
>> computer. this time it's about Sendspace.
>> 
>> Hi, here we go again. Every time I switch on my Mac I take a deep breath. I
>> think about all the amazing reviews I’ve read about these computers and
>> assume that perhaps, this time, I will finally have a really positive
>> experience. Today’s task was uploading something to sendspace. Things
>> started off so well. Sendspace.com loaded no problem; I found the select
>> file button no problem/ when I clicked on it, I got a window opening for me
>> to choose my file. I’m not saying this is the fault of the Mac; it’s
>> probably me and my stubbornness after years of using windows, but it took me
>> ages to find the file I wanted. Did I have to interact with the sidebar or
>> the thing that was called list. There was also a popup menu with a folder
>> selected.
>> Choices choices. After a few minutes of pressing buttons I found the file.
>> The process seemed to have some level of cohesion to it, but I’m not sure
>> what exactly it was. I’m sure it’s very clever and much simpler than the
>> windows way of doing things. In windows I could have found my file in three
>> seconds, rather than four minutes.
>> 
>> Anyway, I accept that this is probably just something I need to learn and
>> practise. Fine. I found my file and went to upload. I pressed the upload
>> button and I got: “Safari busy. Busy. Busy. Busy”. After a half a minute I
>> eventually heard “safari, ready”. Hurrah, I can finally check to see if my
>> file is uploading. I pressed VO right arrow and heard to my dismay “Safari
>> busy. Busy. Busy”. I quit safari and tried again. But I got the same
>> problem. Yet again I shut down my Mac and booted up my windows machine.
>> Within two minutes my file was happily uploading to send space. While it
>> uploaded I checked my emails using another instance of Internet explorer.
>> The file has now finished uploading and I am going to email it to m

Re: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store!

[David Hole]

Hi.
According to the documentation, there's a few pages that haven't speech.
This is due to Chrome doesn't allow extensions to access some pages for 
security reasons.
The settings, the webstore, and it seems like also the start page isn't 
accessible

-David

Den 05.10.2011 04:24, skrev Ryan Mann:

Try hitting Command+l. Type in a web site and press Enter. After I do that, I 
get speech. I am wondering why we don't get speech from the beginning though.

On Oct 4, 2011, at 9:36 PM, Jim Fettgather wrote:


I had downloaded and installed Chrome, have gone to the Chrome store, and 
installed Chromebox, but when starting Chrome, and turning off Voiceover, still 
no speech.

I just get the typical bong sound when using Control option  right arrow or 
down arrow, so not sure how to ensure that everything is installed properly.
Thanks for any tips.



On 10/4/2011 1:17 PM, David Hole wrote:

This is awwwsome!
I've just installed it, and it was easy as H!
Søren, ChromeVox is a javascript based screen reader for Chrome and Chrome OS.
Try it out, and see how good it works in for example gMail! Just remember to 
turn off VO since it disturbs you when using.
-David
Den 04.10.2011 18:32, skrev �:

Sorry, what is Chromevox?
Best regards:
S�ren Jensen
Mail&   MSN:
s...@coolfortheblind.dk
Website:
http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/

Den 04/10/2011 kl. 04.54 skrev Kevin Chao:


This is wonderful, fantastic, and awesome! It will resolve 99.99% of
installation/initial setup issues.

-- Forwarded message --
From: rshearer
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:23:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: ChromeVox is now on the Chrome Web Store!
To: axs-chrome-disc...@googlegroups.com

Hi everybody,

I've mentioned this on a couple threads already, but I thought I would make
an announcement to the group...

We just added ChromeVox to the Chrome Web Store! Hooray!

Here are some of the advantages to installing ChromeVox from the Web Store:
- You'll get automatic updates
- Version numbers mean something
- We have a fancy new icon :)

I updated the Installation Instructions here:
http://code.google.com/p/google-axs-chrome/wiki/InstallingChromeVox and they
describe how to download it from the Web Store.

Here is the quick version:
1) Make sure you're running Chrome 14 or higher
2) Uninstall any previous version of ChromeVox
3) Go to the ChromeVox page in the Chrome Web Store:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
4) Click on the "Add to Chrome" button
5) A dialog should pop up titled "Confirm Installation" that lists the
permissions that ChromeVox needs. We have a wiki page now about why we need
these permissions if you're interested:
http://code.google.com/p/google-axs-chrome/wiki/PermissionsGuide . Click on
the "Install" button to complete the installation process.
6) Yay, ChromeVox is now installed!

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