getting to invisible apps in the "system tray"?
ok. I seem to be having a problem. I can't seem to get to the growl applet running in the taskbar. its invisible. I can see the clock, the volume control, even the sample scripts but growl isn't there. the reason I ask this is that growl keeps announcing that newer version is averlable and that I should "click here to update" but I can't seem to find that dialog anywhere on my desktop. I also can't seem to find the "announce under mouse" function anywhere. this last would help me in finding said "invisible" applications. any suggestions? -Eric -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iTunes iCloud
What implications might this have on those of us who share an Apple ID with a spouse or other family member? If anybody has any info on this, I'd appreciate you sharing what you know. Thanks, Joshua On Jun 7, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Shen wrote: > OK, let me see if I can try to reduce some of the confusion. If not, > feel free to check out the WWDC coverage on Cnet. I get all my info > from them. > > When you buy music on Amazon.com, you can have it available as > download, or via streaming in your Amazon cloud player. Music you > purchase does not count towards your quota on the Amazon Cloud Player. > Why is that? That's because Amazon knows you purchased it, so it makes > the music available. It doesn't make a physical copy and put it in > your Cloud. > This is the same concept with iTunes. > The 5GB storage is for your documents, photos, bookmarks, contacts, > calendar, but not music. Music is downloaded to your device, not kept > in your 5GB storage and not for streaming. > iTunes keeps a record of your purchases so when you connect to a > registered device, it downloads all your content. > > hth > > > > > > > > > > On 6/7/11, Teresa Cochran wrote: >> Well, I truly am confused. Here's a quote from Apple: >> >> "When you sign up for iCloud, you automatically get 5GB of free storage. And >> that’s plenty of room, because of the way iCloud stores your content. Your >> purchased music, apps, and books, as well as your Photo Stream, don’t count >> against your free storage. That leaves your mail, documents, Camera Roll, >> account information, settings, and other app data. And since those things >> don’t use as much space, you’ll find that 5GB goes a long way." >> >> http://www.apple.com/icloud/what-is.html >> >> Teresa >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> > > > -- > Shen > goalb...@gmail.com > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: All the new features in Lion
I think there will be some apethy about this, as a lot of people who download large torrent files won't care. I can't help but wonder if this technology is coming before people are actually ready psychologicly for the change to this cloud computing stuff. Sometimes perfectly great stuff flops because although the concepts are great, they come before people are willing or able to except them. On 2011-06-07, at 2:00 PM, Shen wrote: > 4gb is such a relative term. Who knows exactly what the size of the > download will be. It could be 4.2 GB. > If you are not 1 of those people who has to have it the day it is > released, I'm almost willing to bet that there will be enough noise > made that Apple will have to put it on a DVD for people to purchase. > Just give it a little time. > I don't think people are ready for such a large download. Imagine, if > you have a standard T1 speed on your DSL connection. Assuming the > download speed is steady at the maximum throughput, it will take close > to 8 hours to download 4GB. > > > > > > On 6/7/11, Brandon Misch wrote: >> i read somewhere about it being 4gb. >> >> On Jun 7, 2011, at 9:59 AM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote: >> >>> Dude, are you serious? I would much rather buy it! >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 8:17 AM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: All the new features in Lion >>> >>> i think the size of the download will be 4gb. >>> >>> On Jun 7, 2011, at 7:10 AM, Nickus de Vos wrote: >>> Hi all, I think it's going to be a problem for a lot of people that the lion isn't availible on disc, one reason would be as you mentioned hard drive chrashes etc and the other is that you would have to download it and I saw something about a 4 GB download. Everybody doesn't have fast uncapped internet. Who knows if it comes out and people start complaining apple will maybe release it on disc. I'm glad that it's only $29 though... Donna Goodin wrote: > Yeah, there's a fair amount about VO in the list of new features that >>> Seren forwarded yesterday. > Donna > > On Jun 7, 2011, at 12:49 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi Ricardo, >> They do mention VO on both the Lion and iOS 5 sites, as a matter of >>> fact. >> Best, >> Zack. >> On Jun 6, 2011, at 7:44 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >> >>> I wish they would at least put out some notes about voiceover when >>> they >>> put out the features list for the new OS. I don't expect Apple to devote >>> time to Voiceover in the keynote of course but, I don't think it should be >>> much trouble to mention new VO features on the site. >>> >>> JMO. >>> >>> Ricardo Walker >>> rwalker...@gmail.com >>> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 >>> www.mobileaccess.org >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jun 6, 2011, at 10:13 PM, Brandon Misch wrote: >>> this all sounds great. good thing voiceover has some new features. On Jun 6, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: > Hi. > > You can already see the new features in Lion at the following link: > http://www.apple.com/macosx/whats-new/features.html > Best regards: > Søren Jensen > Mail & MSN: > s...@coolfortheblind.dk > Website: > http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to > macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to
Re: All the new features in Lion
probably! What I look at is does this benefit me? I just conservatively use, and toward the end of the month, procrastonating the decision, until some reviews come out, and snap it up before my gig limit which I never reach most months gets snapped up. That month I'll actually use what I pay for! On 2011-06-07, at 4:00 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: > Now just imagine you live in canada and you have a 20 gb softcap on your > adsl. Even if you have cable with a 60 gb cap are you really going to want > this juggernaut? > > Best, > > Erik Burggraaf > User support consultant, > Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf, > 1-888-255-5194 > http://www.erik-burggraaf.com > > On 2011-06-07, at 2:00 PM, Shen wrote: > >> 4gb is such a relative term. Who knows exactly what the size of the >> download will be. It could be 4.2 GB. >> If you are not 1 of those people who has to have it the day it is >> released, I'm almost willing to bet that there will be enough noise >> made that Apple will have to put it on a DVD for people to purchase. >> Just give it a little time. >> I don't think people are ready for such a large download. Imagine, if >> you have a standard T1 speed on your DSL connection. Assuming the >> download speed is steady at the maximum throughput, it will take close >> to 8 hours to download 4GB. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 6/7/11, Brandon Misch wrote: >>> i read somewhere about it being 4gb. >>> >>> On Jun 7, 2011, at 9:59 AM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote: >>> Dude, are you serious? I would much rather buy it! -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 8:17 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: All the new features in Lion i think the size of the download will be 4gb. On Jun 7, 2011, at 7:10 AM, Nickus de Vos wrote: > Hi all, I think it's going to be a problem for a lot of people that > the lion isn't availible on disc, one reason would be as you mentioned > hard drive chrashes etc and the other is that you would have to > download it and I saw something about a 4 GB download. Everybody > doesn't have fast uncapped internet. Who knows if it comes out and > people start complaining apple will maybe release it on disc. I'm glad > that it's only $29 though... > > Donna Goodin wrote: >> Yeah, there's a fair amount about VO in the list of new features that Seren forwarded yesterday. >> Donna >> >> On Jun 7, 2011, at 12:49 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: >> >>> Hi Ricardo, >>> They do mention VO on both the Lion and iOS 5 sites, as a matter of fact. >>> Best, >>> Zack. >>> On Jun 6, 2011, at 7:44 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>> I wish they would at least put out some notes about voiceover when they put out the features list for the new OS. I don't expect Apple to devote time to Voiceover in the keynote of course but, I don't think it should be much trouble to mention new VO features on the site. JMO. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jun 6, 2011, at 10:13 PM, Brandon Misch wrote: > this all sounds great. good thing voiceover has some new features. > > On Jun 6, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: > >> Hi. >> >> You can already see the new features in Lion at the following link: >> http://www.apple.com/macosx/whats-new/features.html >> Best regards: >> Søren Jensen >> Mail & MSN: >> s...@coolfortheblind.dk >> Website: >> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to >> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, se
Re: netflix on the mac???
Hi, have done this and got the t-shirt. There is a version of silverlight for the mac, and it works for netflix. I had the trial and used it for a couple of days. I didn't find any real accessibility show-stopers to excuse the bad pun. On 2011-06-07, at 8:49 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > Tried to to watch netflix on my new imac, it's asking me to install > microsoft silver light, I'm asumming there is no mac version, so how do I > watch netflix on the mac?? > > Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: few mac questions
COULD YOU SEND me that podcast you have on signitures? thanks. Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone On Jun 8, 2011, at 12:48 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Hi, > > Yes, > > Apple mail has a unified inbox. when on this inbox, in the mailbox table, > just press the right arrow to expand it so you can see your individual > mailboxes. > > hth > > Ricardo Walker > rwalker...@gmail.com > Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 > www.mobileaccess.org > > > > On Jun 8, 2011, at 1:29 AM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > >> Well, I wish the apple mail was as easy as on the Iphone. Since it's not, >> can some one give me a few tips on moving around the mail boxs quickly? One >> of the few things I'm having an issue with, is the apple mail is combining >> my in boxes from different accounts? Instead of having themnm all in the >> same place. The other thing is, where would I get a copy of VM fution, and >> is there a free trial period? Thanks. >> >> Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
multiple email accounts?
Hello, I have multiple email accounts, how do I choose witch one I want to send from? Do I have to be in that account, or is there a key combo I can hit? Thanks. Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: ABBYY Fine Reader question
Be warned there is a older version of Abby that is distributed in such a way that it shows up as a folder in your applications directory. It also for some strange reason has the word "Sprint" in its name. I had bad experience with this one. The buttons did not respond to VO, but there was a command shortcut to scan and OCR... But then when I clicked on that button the TWAIN driver that came up with a window that was fairly inaccessible. Most sighted scanner packages seem to bring up a preview of the scanned image before a complete scan, and this screen generally is not very blind friendly. Jon On Jun 6, 2011, at 12:14 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi, > > Just called ABBYY, nothing's changed. Thanks for pointing that out. > Cheers, > Donna > > On Jun 6, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Dan wrote: > >> Hello, >> Unless something has changed in the last few days or so, only the express >> version will run on OS X. >> >> Dan >> >> On Jun 6, 2011, at 8:47 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> One of the scanners I'm looking at purchasing comes with ABBYY Fine Reader. >>> I am assuming it comes with the full version. Does anyone know the >>> differences between the full and the express versions, and whether the full >>> version is as accessible as the express version is? >>> TIA, >>> Donna >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: multiple email accounts?
There is a preference item or two about picking the account. THere will also be a pop-up button that you can arrow through to change the From: field. If you have not checked the only use the specified SMTP server for this e-mail account check box in the account preferences then there will also be a pop-up just after the "From:" pop-up that lets you select the outgoing mail server to use. I have written a few messages to this list about the SMTP settings which are a bit hidden when accessing them from the preference pane. Jonathan On Jun 8, 2011, at 8:34 AM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > Hello, I have multiple email accounts, how do I choose witch one I want to > send from? Do I have to be in that account, or is there a key combo I can > hit? Thanks. > > Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
OCR software, was ABBYY Fine Reader question
Hi John, thanks for this and for your message yesterday about the software on MacUpdate. I did find the offer you referred to. I've ordered the Fujitsu ScanSnap. Once it gets here I plan to demo VueScan and DoccuScan Plus, but my current leaning is to go with DocuScan Plus. Not sure how I'll feel about having the OCR performed in the cloud, but I like that it offers the option of converting to BRF since there isn't currently another option for doing that on the Mac. BTW, if anyone else is thinking about this, there's a nice demo of DocuScan for Mac that you can find at http://www.docuscanplus.com. I was pretty much of a skeptic, but I have to say the demo looks pretty slick. Best, Donna On Jun 8, 2011, at 8:43 AM, Jon Cohn wrote: > Be warned there is a older version of Abby that is distributed in such a way > that it shows up as a folder in your applications directory. It also for > some strange reason has the word "Sprint" in its name. I had bad experience > with this one. The buttons did not respond to VO, but there was a command > shortcut to scan and OCR... But then when I clicked on that button the TWAIN > driver that came up with a window that was fairly inaccessible. Most > sighted scanner packages seem to bring up a preview of the scanned image > before a complete scan, and this screen generally is not very blind friendly. > > Jon > > On Jun 6, 2011, at 12:14 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Just called ABBYY, nothing's changed. Thanks for pointing that out. >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >> On Jun 6, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Dan wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> Unless something has changed in the last few days or so, only the express >>> version will run on OS X. >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> On Jun 6, 2011, at 8:47 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> Hi all, One of the scanners I'm looking at purchasing comes with ABBYY Fine Reader. I am assuming it comes with the full version. Does anyone know the differences between the full and the express versions, and whether the full version is as accessible as the express version is? TIA, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
transition from pc to mac
hi there, i'm Joanne, from Australia whom currently on total transit from PC to Mac. however, i found that the commands and learning the back takes me too long, and i'm not really sure where to start. it sounds stupid i know but, may i ask, is there any tips or ways for me to fast track my learning curves with using voice over? any suggestion is deeply appreciated. many thanks Joanne :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: transition from pc to mac
Hi Joanne, the best way to learn is to just roll up your sleeves and do it on a daily basis! don't put pressure on yourself by setting deadlines and obstacles. Just do it daily. when I wanted to learn MSDOS years ago, I just did it a little bit each day. Before long I was doing nicely. And you will have to do the same. Spend a little time with it each day. Learn the layout of programs. Learn what to do in certain situations. Study how you tot to one point. then try to figure out how to get back to the original point. Just a little at a time each day is the best way to go. All the best! Isaac - Original Message - From: "Joanne Chua" To: "macvisionaries" Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 8:58 AM Subject: transition from pc to mac hi there, i'm Joanne, from Australia whom currently on total transit from PC to Mac. however, i found that the commands and learning the back takes me too long, and i'm not really sure where to start. it sounds stupid i know but, may i ask, is there any tips or ways for me to fast track my learning curves with using voice over? any suggestion is deeply appreciated. many thanks Joanne :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: transition from pc to mac
I second that! Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone On Jun 8, 2011, at 7:58 AM, Joanne Chua wrote: > hi there, > > i'm Joanne, from Australia whom currently on total transit from PC to > Mac. however, i found that the commands and learning the back takes me > too long, and i'm not really sure where to start. > it sounds stupid i know but, may i ask, is there any tips or ways for > me to fast track my learning curves with using voice over? > > any suggestion is deeply appreciated. > > many thanks > > Joanne :) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
playing AVI files on the mac?
Hi, I have a library of movies on a external hard drive. I tried to play them on my Imac, and it said something about needing an editional file or extention for quick time player, does anyone know where to get it from? Or is it not possible to play these files on the mac? All help and suggestions are welcome, thanks! Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Chill mats?
Hi all, I hope everyone is doing well. My apologies for my absence as my Macbook has been sent for repair to Apple. It is now back, and I have a question. I don't know if any of you have ever experienced the heat factor. My MB was overheating and losing a charge, this is why it has was sent back to Apple. The tech person at Apple told me not to have the Macbook on anything soft like my lap as it would cause overheating and may have been the source of the problem all along. In doing research, I came across a post about chill mats. These are mats that are designed to go under your Mac with a USB cord and a fan. The one I just purchased contains a USB cord and a fan, the premise is you plug the USB cord in and when the fan senses the Mac getting hot it turns on and cools it down. It is supposed to keep your lap and the Mac cool. With the edition of this mat, you can have the Macbook on your lap again and not be relegated to a desk to table. Which I really don't understand why you must place them on a hard surface, if the whole premise of the Macbook is to be portable. Well, just my two cents. Has anyone ever heard of the overheating issue, or the chill mats? Thank you for reading this, sorry if it is a bit off topic. My apologies to the moderators if it is. Musically, Allison My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: transition from pc to mac
Joanne, You might want to check out some of the podcasts on the mac on blind cool tech. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joanne Chua Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 8:59 AM To: macvisionaries Subject: transition from pc to mac hi there, i'm Joanne, from Australia whom currently on total transit from PC to Mac. however, i found that the commands and learning the back takes me too long, and i'm not really sure where to start. it sounds stupid i know but, may i ask, is there any tips or ways for me to fast track my learning curves with using voice over? any suggestion is deeply appreciated. many thanks Joanne :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: transition from pc to mac
Hi, The best suggestion I can give new Mac users, which I suppose I still am myself, is to jump in with both feet. Use the machine as much as you can, for different tasks. I went in cold turkey, have only booted my Linux laptop a handful of times since getting this MBP about six months ago. Along with learning by usage, listen to Mike Arrigo's podcasts on BlindCoolTech. They're quite useful for tutorial information, as well as being the main reason I decided to finally switch. Overall, I think the combination of usage and tutorials along with help from people on this list is the fastest road to learning VO and the mac you could possibly find. Best and hope this helps, Zack. On Jun 8, 2011, at 6:14 AM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > I second that! > > Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone > > On Jun 8, 2011, at 7:58 AM, Joanne Chua wrote: > >> hi there, >> >> i'm Joanne, from Australia whom currently on total transit from PC to >> Mac. however, i found that the commands and learning the back takes me >> too long, and i'm not really sure where to start. >> it sounds stupid i know but, may i ask, is there any tips or ways for >> me to fast track my learning curves with using voice over? >> >> any suggestion is deeply appreciated. >> >> many thanks >> >> Joanne :) >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: transition from pc to mac
Joanne, for me the podcasts etc do help, but by far the biggest thing that very few people seem to throw up as the most obviously easy way into Mac usage is to use QuickNav. let me explain, there are a number of ways to use a Mac, unlike with a PC, where you can really only use the qwerty keyboard. A Mac has different commanders as they are referred to, these are ways of inputting commands or actions to Voice Over to make a desired thing happen, be it navigation or more. you can use your keyboard, with the Voice Over keys, control and options, with a range of additional keys to activate various commands. You can use the number pad if your keyboard has one to also do the same, if you have a track pad you can use that to gesture like you can on an iPHone, iPod Touch or iPad. but the big one for me that is often overlooked is Quick Nav, quick nav uses the four arrow keys to enable you to quickly navigate around everything from finder Windows, to apps, to text edit areas to the internet etc. firstly you need to know that in certain cases you have to turn quick nav off and indeed back on again. you enable / disable quick nav using the left and right arrow keys pressed once at the same time. quite literally left and right arrow keys press once together. you'll hear Voice Over say, Quick Nav on or off. once its on, you can use individual presses of the right / left arrow to move the Voice Over cursor from item to item on the screen... inserted little note here, you need to also understand that whilst PC's screen readers use up and down arrows to move you about, the Mac uses left / right, and thinking about this, it does make sense, as this is how sighted folk read. so the left / right keys will move item by item, be it a chunk of text on the internet, or icons on a desktop etc. the up / down arrow keys again individually pressed will cycle through the elements of the item that you are interacting with based on the rotor setting, the rotor is a dial or rotory styled switch which adjusts the method of moving through elements in a given thing. let me explain, a web-site is made up of headings, links, visited links, fields, form fields, tables etc. so when you're in Safari the rotor may have, and you can customise this, headings, tables, links, words and characters within the rotor. if you want to quickly move between the headings on a web page you should make sure that the rotor is set to headings, you cchange the roter setting by pressing together the up and left arrow keys, or the up and right arrow keys. once you're on heading, use the up / down arrow key indivually to jump between headings since this is what your roter is now set to. say you find the heading you are looking for, you can now right arrow through the content, imagine though you find a word that Voice Over doesn't quite read right, and you think, what did it say? change the roter to word, using the up and right or up and left arrows together, now down press until yu are one word ahead of the word you wish to have spelt, now change the roter to charicter, press down arrow and the cursor will move charicter by charicter. once done simply change the roter bakc to heading or whatever you wish. this is just one example of how the roter works. another amazing thing which gets little press is the Item Chooser, which by pressing control, options, I, will bring up a list of every single item on any page you are on, be it a finder window or safari window etc. this has to be one of my favourite features of Voice Over. with this snazy feature you now have a list of every componant on the screen, say you are on Amazon, and you've got an item up in front of you, you want to find the add to basket button, but can't. press control, options, I, and then type basket, or b, a, s and leave it at that... the list of items reduces based on the available options with your letter combination. this is fantastic for finding things you are having trouble with, or where for example you don't quite know if the item is, add to basket, put in basket, add to cart, etc as you can try a few words until you find what you want. you don't need to do it in any given order, so even if the link reads add this dam item to my cart, you could type dam, and the list will reduce to any option with dam in it. Quick Nav and the Item Chooser have to be my two main features of Voice Over and this is how I have successfully last October made the switch to Mac from being a JAWS PC user for 12 years before that. hope that this has helped. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 Jun 2011, at 13:58, Joanne Chua wrote: hi there, i'm Joanne, from Australia whom currently o
Re: playing AVI files on the mac?
vlc works fine. On 2011-06-08, at 9:19 AM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > Hi, I have a library of movies on a external hard drive. I tried to play > them on my Imac, and it said something about needing an editional file or > extention for quick time player, does anyone know where to get it from? Or > is it not possible to play these files on the mac? All help and suggestions > are welcome, thanks! > > Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Itunes error message
Yes I am set as a administrator. I also find it very waired it happens few times per day and not even when trying to save something, just happens while playing music. Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > Huh! That's? weired? > > Um? Hmm. Let's see here... > > OK, hmm. Have you got your user account on the mac set for you to be the > administrator? In other words, if your user account isn't set as an > administrator but instead as a standard account or a parentally controled > account, then you very likely could get this error very easily. > > Chris. > > - Original Message - > From: "Nickus de Vos" > To: "MacVisionaries" > Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 6:58 AM > Subject: Itunes error message > > > > Hi while listening to music I get a error message saying something > > about a file can't be save you don't have enough atministrative > > privilages. What's up with this, I'm getting it a few times per day, > > must I change a setting someware in itunes or something to let it know > > that I am the administrator of the computer? > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "MacVisionaries" group. > > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: multiple email accounts?
Hello Kliph, You know, you can have a mailbox for each account. For example: I have onne for Verizon, Gmail and Apple mail. So you won't need to worry about which one to answer first. Just go to the different mailboxes and answer all the mail there. You seem to be quite active in your imac. If you're near an Apple store perhaps you would benefit from the "one-to-One" program. I think you would have a ball and I think you'd learn quickly. You can pearn different programs as you go. You can have as many lessons as you can handle. but it's all dependent upon whether there's an Apple store near you. All the best! Isaac - Original Message - From: "Kliph&Sharrie" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 8:34 AM Subject: multiple email accounts? Hello, I have multiple email accounts, how do I choose witch one I want to send from? Do I have to be in that account, or is there a key combo I can hit? Thanks. Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Getting Rid Of A Password.
Hello! I happened to type a password when I went through the setup process on my iMAC, how do I get rid of it? I don't want it anymore, thanks. -- Georges Zeinoun Timmerv. 6A, SE54163 SKÖVDE Tel: +46500201623, +46500482929 Mobile: +46707567315 E-mail: humorlessg...@samobile.net Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: All the new features in Lion
Hi, Amazon's media locker is a big hit. And Google's seem to be doing ok. There cloud services have been around for a few years now. . Its only do to a lack of accessibility why the blind community probably doesn't know more about it. And a lot of us use services like dropbox. IDK. The cloud is not all that new. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jun 8, 2011, at 7:04 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: > I think there will be some apethy about this, as a lot of people who download > large torrent files won't care. > > I can't help but wonder if this technology is coming before people are > actually ready psychologicly for the change to this cloud computing stuff. > Sometimes perfectly great stuff flops because although the concepts are > great, they come before people are willing or able to except them. > On 2011-06-07, at 2:00 PM, Shen wrote: > >> 4gb is such a relative term. Who knows exactly what the size of the >> download will be. It could be 4.2 GB. >> If you are not 1 of those people who has to have it the day it is >> released, I'm almost willing to bet that there will be enough noise >> made that Apple will have to put it on a DVD for people to purchase. >> Just give it a little time. >> I don't think people are ready for such a large download. Imagine, if >> you have a standard T1 speed on your DSL connection. Assuming the >> download speed is steady at the maximum throughput, it will take close >> to 8 hours to download 4GB. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 6/7/11, Brandon Misch wrote: >>> i read somewhere about it being 4gb. >>> >>> On Jun 7, 2011, at 9:59 AM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote: >>> Dude, are you serious? I would much rather buy it! -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 8:17 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: All the new features in Lion i think the size of the download will be 4gb. On Jun 7, 2011, at 7:10 AM, Nickus de Vos wrote: > Hi all, I think it's going to be a problem for a lot of people that > the lion isn't availible on disc, one reason would be as you mentioned > hard drive chrashes etc and the other is that you would have to > download it and I saw something about a 4 GB download. Everybody > doesn't have fast uncapped internet. Who knows if it comes out and > people start complaining apple will maybe release it on disc. I'm glad > that it's only $29 though... > > Donna Goodin wrote: >> Yeah, there's a fair amount about VO in the list of new features that Seren forwarded yesterday. >> Donna >> >> On Jun 7, 2011, at 12:49 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: >> >>> Hi Ricardo, >>> They do mention VO on both the Lion and iOS 5 sites, as a matter of fact. >>> Best, >>> Zack. >>> On Jun 6, 2011, at 7:44 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>> I wish they would at least put out some notes about voiceover when they put out the features list for the new OS. I don't expect Apple to devote time to Voiceover in the keynote of course but, I don't think it should be much trouble to mention new VO features on the site. JMO. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jun 6, 2011, at 10:13 PM, Brandon Misch wrote: > this all sounds great. good thing voiceover has some new features. > > On Jun 6, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: > >> Hi. >> >> You can already see the new features in Lion at the following link: >> http://www.apple.com/macosx/whats-new/features.html >> Best regards: >> Søren Jensen >> Mail & MSN: >> s...@coolfortheblind.dk >> Website: >> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to >> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macv
Re: transition from pc to mac
Hi, I think you will be disappointed. There is no quick fix to learning a new operating system and screen reader. The only way to learn it is to use it. The more you use it the faster you learn. Sure, there are many tips, tricks, and work arounds but, they won't mean much without understanding how they can be usefully implemented. JMO. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jun 8, 2011, at 9:14 AM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > I second that! > > Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone > > On Jun 8, 2011, at 7:58 AM, Joanne Chua wrote: > >> hi there, >> >> i'm Joanne, from Australia whom currently on total transit from PC to >> Mac. however, i found that the commands and learning the back takes me >> too long, and i'm not really sure where to start. >> it sounds stupid i know but, may i ask, is there any tips or ways for >> me to fast track my learning curves with using voice over? >> >> any suggestion is deeply appreciated. >> >> many thanks >> >> Joanne :) >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: All the new features in Lion
I think for some reason Apple has all of this sourted out in some way. I am of the firm belief once we start using this new cloud stuff we will wonder how we lived without it. I for one am looking forward to all of this! Bring it on Apple. Cool stuff! Doug On 6/8/2011 8:34 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: I think there will be some apethy about this, as a lot of people who download large torrent files won't care. I can't help but wonder if this technology is coming before people are actually ready psychologicly for the change to this cloud computing stuff. Sometimes perfectly great stuff flops because although the concepts are great, they come before people are willing or able to except them. On 2011-06-07, at 2:00 PM, Shen wrote: 4gb is such a relative term. Who knows exactly what the size of the download will be. It could be 4.2 GB. If you are not 1 of those people who has to have it the day it is released, I'm almost willing to bet that there will be enough noise made that Apple will have to put it on a DVD for people to purchase. Just give it a little time. I don't think people are ready for such a large download. Imagine, if you have a standard T1 speed on your DSL connection. Assuming the download speed is steady at the maximum throughput, it will take close to 8 hours to download 4GB. On 6/7/11, Brandon Misch wrote: i read somewhere about it being 4gb. On Jun 7, 2011, at 9:59 AM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote: Dude, are you serious? I would much rather buy it! -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 8:17 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: All the new features in Lion i think the size of the download will be 4gb. On Jun 7, 2011, at 7:10 AM, Nickus de Vos wrote: Hi all, I think it's going to be a problem for a lot of people that the lion isn't availible on disc, one reason would be as you mentioned hard drive chrashes etc and the other is that you would have to download it and I saw something about a 4 GB download. Everybody doesn't have fast uncapped internet. Who knows if it comes out and people start complaining apple will maybe release it on disc. I'm glad that it's only $29 though... Donna Goodin wrote: Yeah, there's a fair amount about VO in the list of new features that Seren forwarded yesterday. Donna On Jun 7, 2011, at 12:49 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Ricardo, They do mention VO on both the Lion and iOS 5 sites, as a matter of fact. Best, Zack. On Jun 6, 2011, at 7:44 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: I wish they would at least put out some notes about voiceover when they put out the features list for the new OS. I don't expect Apple to devote time to Voiceover in the keynote of course but, I don't think it should be much trouble to mention new VO features on the site. JMO. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jun 6, 2011, at 10:13 PM, Brandon Misch wrote: this all sounds great. good thing voiceover has some new features. On Jun 6, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: Hi. You can already see the new features in Lion at the following link: http://www.apple.com/macosx/whats-new/features.html Best regards: Søren Jensen Mail& MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.co
Re: Chill mats?
Hello Allison, I personally like to have a flat surface between my laptop and my lap, and I think products such as chill mats are a decent solution, though I usually settle for a large book, serving tray or something similar. I'm not sure about your particular situation, but I can tell you hot laptop computers, and hot desktop computers for that matter, are an age-old problem. Some are worse than others. I worked for IBM when their first Thinkpad laptops were introduced and one of the most common questions I heard back then was how to keep your lap from getting singed. Some of the heat level is dependent on which model macbook and CPU you have and what programs you are running. Applications that require a lot of processing power tend to make the laptop run hotter. Adobe Flash is a great example of such an application, but is not the only offender of course. Also, make sure your macbook's vents are not blocked. A few years ago Apple shipped some macbooks with a thin film of plastic covering the rear vent, thus causing overheating of those macbooks. The solution was to simply peel off the thin film from the outside of the rear vent, but this example does illustrate how important it is for the macbook's internals to be free to breathe. I'm interested to hear how you like your chill mat after you've had it for a while. Cheers, Bryan On Jun 8, 2011, at 9:33 AM, Allison Manzino wrote: > Has anyone ever heard of the overheating issue, or the chill mats? Thank you > for reading this, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: First time trying to use a flash drive with my Mac
Hi, Esther and others: thanks so much for your responses. I am now able to find the drive, and what I want to do is copy music files to it. However, I cannot figure out how to do this. I selected several files, copied them, then interacted with the empty table for the centon drive. I hit command v -- and got the error sound. This is how I went about things with my PC -- is there some step or nuance I'm missing? Even if someone must contact me off-list, could you walk me through the process, or point me to a podcast or web site that does so? I thought this was going to be one of the simpler things I would be doing . . . (grin). Christine On Jun 8, 2011, at 12:32 AM, Esther wrote: > Hi Christine, > > If this is a USB flash drive or memory stick you should not have to format or > otherwise activate it. If this is a new hard drive, depending on the format, > you may or may not want, or have to format (or reformat) the drive with Disk > Utility. What you decide to do depends on how you plan to use the drive, and > whether you need to both read and write to it from different operating > systems, or just plan to use it with your Mac, and the issue here is that, > without additional software, Windows file systems can't read the default Mac > file system file formats. > > Since, from your subject line, you are using a USB flash drive, I'll add a > suggestion to the good recommendations you've had from Zack and Ricardo. If > you can't find the drive on your Desktop, and Carolyn's suggestion of looking > in Finder on your computer (Command+Shift+C) doesn't work, try the keyboard > shortcut in Finder of Command+Shift+G (for "Go to Folder"). In the text box > of the dialog window that appears when you issue this command, type or paste > in: > "/Volumes" > without the surrounding quotation marks, but with the slash mark at the > beginning, and using a capital "V" for "Volumes", then press Return. > > This should show you all mounted volumes that are attached to your computer > in your Finder window. One of them will be "Macintosh HD", which is your > main hard drive. Another should be the name of your USB flash drive (e.g., > "Lexar", "Crucial", or "Untitled"), which you can then select. This method > (pressing Command+Shift+G and then going to the "/Volumes" folder in Finder) > works for me in the very few instances where an attached drive is mounted on > the system, but for some reason the graphical user interface (GUI) doesn't > update the information. The Finder view is a little simpler with this > command than what is displayed with Command+Shift+C (which, as Carolyn > explained, shows the top level of your Computer), because it doesn't include > network connections. > > Remember that you have to exit the files on the attached USB drive before > ejecting it. That means that you cannot have any of the files open in > another application (e.g., be viewing one of the files on the drive in > TextEdit), and you should navigate to the top level of the device in the > Finder window (use Command+Up arrow to move up levels). Then you can use > Command+E to eject the attached USB flash drive and remove it safely from the > USB port on your computer. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On Jun 7, 2011, at 16:27, Christine Grassman wrote: > >> I did check that external disks were checked in Finder preferences to show >> on the desktop, but the only untitled folder there is not the disk. I can't >> find anything to activate the disk. Is there something else I can try -- is >> it possible I have to format it or something? It's brand-new. >> On Jun 7, 2011, at 10:08 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >> >>> Hi Christine, >>> When you insert the drive an icon will appear on the desktop, which you can >>> then open. It might be labeled as Untitled or similar, depending on >>> whether the drive has a volume label or not. You open this with command-o, >>> and then can copy files to it by, for instance, opening a new Finder window >>> with command-n and navigating to where ever you want to copy from. To >>> remove the drive, first eject it with command-e on its icon. >>> Hope this helps, >>> Zack. >>> On Jun 7, 2011, at 7:05 PM, Christine Grassman wrote: >>> Hi, everyone, I'm really confused right now. I placed a new drive into the USB port and expected some sort of dialog box or alert telling me it was available; I want to copy music files onto it. Nothing, and I can't figure out how to locate it, the way I used to on a PC using "my computer". What must I do? (I did try removing it, and I got the alert that it was not removed safely, but it doesn't seem to notice when I insert it.) Christine > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email
Re: [Bulk] transition from pc to mac
I'd go here: www.blindcooltech.com and while there, I'd look for all the files called "Mac Demo". That's how I got my head around it. Thanks Mike. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Jun 8, 2011, at 7:58 AM, Joanne Chua wrote: > hi there, > > i'm Joanne, from Australia whom currently on total transit from PC to > Mac. however, i found that the commands and learning the back takes me > too long, and i'm not really sure where to start. > it sounds stupid i know but, may i ask, is there any tips or ways for > me to fast track my learning curves with using voice over? > > any suggestion is deeply appreciated. > > many thanks > > Joanne :) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: First time trying to use a flash drive with my Mac
Hi Christine: I don't believe you can copy more than one at a t ime, unless they're in a folder. The other thing to keep in mind is you may need to interact in order to paste. VO should be telling you both when it copies, and when it is pasting, it should say, "paste, copying from ..." Sometimes it's ust a bit of trial and error tinkering. Carolyn On Jun 8, 2011, at 10:01 AM, Christine Grassman wrote: > Hi, Esther and others: thanks so much for your responses. I am now able to > find the drive, and what I want to do is copy music files to it. However, I > cannot figure out how to do this. I selected several files, copied them, > then interacted with the empty table for the centon drive. I hit command v -- > and got the error sound. This is how I went about things with my PC -- is > there some step or nuance I'm missing? Even if someone must contact me > off-list, could you walk me through the process, or point me to a podcast or > web site that does so? I thought this was going to be one of the simpler > things I would be doing . . . (grin). > Christine > On Jun 8, 2011, at 12:32 AM, Esther wrote: > >> Hi Christine, >> >> If this is a USB flash drive or memory stick you should not have to format >> or otherwise activate it. If this is a new hard drive, depending on the >> format, you may or may not want, or have to format (or reformat) the drive >> with Disk Utility. What you decide to do depends on how you plan to use the >> drive, and whether you need to both read and write to it from different >> operating systems, or just plan to use it with your Mac, and the issue here >> is that, without additional software, Windows file systems can't read the >> default Mac file system file formats. >> >> Since, from your subject line, you are using a USB flash drive, I'll add a >> suggestion to the good recommendations you've had from Zack and Ricardo. If >> you can't find the drive on your Desktop, and Carolyn's suggestion of >> looking in Finder on your computer (Command+Shift+C) doesn't work, try the >> keyboard shortcut in Finder of Command+Shift+G (for "Go to Folder"). In the >> text box of the dialog window that appears when you issue this command, type >> or paste in: >> "/Volumes" >> without the surrounding quotation marks, but with the slash mark at the >> beginning, and using a capital "V" for "Volumes", then press Return. >> >> This should show you all mounted volumes that are attached to your computer >> in your Finder window. One of them will be "Macintosh HD", which is your >> main hard drive. Another should be the name of your USB flash drive (e.g., >> "Lexar", "Crucial", or "Untitled"), which you can then select. This method >> (pressing Command+Shift+G and then going to the "/Volumes" folder in Finder) >> works for me in the very few instances where an attached drive is mounted on >> the system, but for some reason the graphical user interface (GUI) doesn't >> update the information. The Finder view is a little simpler with this >> command than what is displayed with Command+Shift+C (which, as Carolyn >> explained, shows the top level of your Computer), because it doesn't include >> network connections. >> >> Remember that you have to exit the files on the attached USB drive before >> ejecting it. That means that you cannot have any of the files open in >> another application (e.g., be viewing one of the files on the drive in >> TextEdit), and you should navigate to the top level of the device in the >> Finder window (use Command+Up arrow to move up levels). Then you can use >> Command+E to eject the attached USB flash drive and remove it safely from >> the USB port on your computer. >> >> HTH. Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >> On Jun 7, 2011, at 16:27, Christine Grassman wrote: >> >>> I did check that external disks were checked in Finder preferences to show >>> on the desktop, but the only untitled folder there is not the disk. I >>> can't find anything to activate the disk. Is there something else I can try >>> -- is it possible I have to format it or something? It's brand-new. >>> On Jun 7, 2011, at 10:08 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>> Hi Christine, When you insert the drive an icon will appear on the desktop, which you can then open. It might be labeled as Untitled or similar, depending on whether the drive has a volume label or not. You open this with command-o, and then can copy files to it by, for instance, opening a new Finder window with command-n and navigating to where ever you want to copy from. To remove the drive, first eject it with command-e on its icon. Hope this helps, Zack. On Jun 7, 2011, at 7:05 PM, Christine Grassman wrote: > Hi, everyone, I'm really confused right now. I placed a new drive into > the USB port and expected some sort of dialog box or alert telling me it > was available; I want to copy music files onto it. Nothin
Re: [Bulk] transition from pc to mac
Hi Joanne: There are a few different ways you can go when tackling the mac switch. One thing I found really helpful was to look at the "switching 101" articles on the Mac. While they don't specifically address voiceover, they clarify some of the similarities and differences between PC and Mac. Secondly, there is the "getting started with Voiceover and Snowleopard" manual. This is available on line, (But, please excuse me, the exact site escapes me.:) It's a handy tool. On your mac itself, there are several good resources: 1 being the voiceover getting started interactive tutorial, A second is the VO-K combination where you can find out what different keys do with the VO modifier key. A third resource is the VO-H, and VO-HH keystrokes that take you to different levels of commands and how they work. Finally, the Mac has on it both a Mac users guide and a getting started with snowleopard built in. Also, , Handytech USA has a training manual written by Earl Harrison. It goes with a workshop the company offers here in the US. You may find it helpful. HTH Carolyn On Jun 8, 2011, at 10:20 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > I'd go here: > > www.blindcooltech.com > and while there, I'd look for all the files called "Mac Demo". That's how I > got my head around it. Thanks Mike. > > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! > > Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! > > Skype name: > barefootedray > > Facebook: > facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 > > > > On Jun 8, 2011, at 7:58 AM, Joanne Chua wrote: > >> hi there, >> >> i'm Joanne, from Australia whom currently on total transit from PC to >> Mac. however, i found that the commands and learning the back takes me >> too long, and i'm not really sure where to start. >> it sounds stupid i know but, may i ask, is there any tips or ways for >> me to fast track my learning curves with using voice over? >> >> any suggestion is deeply appreciated. >> >> many thanks >> >> Joanne :) >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: transition from pc to mac
Joanne, I'm in the absolute same boat. I was a windows user forever, and my machine is now in the process of dying. So, I bought a Mac. I'm finding it quite overwhelming. I keep tweeting all these questions to Mac users that I know, and I do feel quite stupid at times. So, I, too, shall be grateful for any tips people have to offer. Shannon Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me each Thursday from noon until three for the Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women In Music. Point your media player to: http://mojoradio.us/listen or www.mintfm.net On Jun 8, 2011, at 8:58 AM, Joanne Chua wrote: > hi there, > > i'm Joanne, from Australia whom currently on total transit from PC to > Mac. however, i found that the commands and learning the back takes me > too long, and i'm not really sure where to start. > it sounds stupid i know but, may i ask, is there any tips or ways for > me to fast track my learning curves with using voice over? > > any suggestion is deeply appreciated. > > many thanks > > Joanne :) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Getting Rid Of A Password.
Hi George, actually. IT's a good idea to have it. If you left it blank, don't know how you could authenticate, for anyhting that mayprompt for an admin password. On Jun 8, 2011, at 10:47 AM, Georges Zaynoun wrote: > Hello! > > I happened to type a password when I went through the setup process on my > iMAC, how do I get rid of it? I don't want it anymore, thanks. > > -- > Georges Zeinoun > Timmerv. 6A, SE54163 SKÖVDE > Tel: +46500201623, +46500482929 > Mobile: +46707567315 > E-mail: humorlessg...@samobile.net > > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: transition from pc to mac
I think I have got the navigation thing down, but transitioing from outlook, to apple mail is my biggest issue. So if anyone has the tricks and tips on how to get around apple mail on the mac, please let me know. You can email me off list since I know people here want us to search archives and not clutter the list. My email is skhleirpehctcoens7...@gmail.com Thanks. On Jun 8, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Shannon Dyer wrote: > Joanne, > > I'm in the absolute same boat. I was a windows user forever, and my machine > is now in the process of dying. So, I bought a Mac. I'm finding it quite > overwhelming. I keep tweeting all these questions to Mac users that I know, > and I do feel quite stupid at times. So, I, too, shall be grateful for any > tips people have to offer. > > Shannon > Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me each Thursday from noon until > three for the Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women In Music. Point > your media player to: > http://mojoradio.us/listen > or > www.mintfm.net > > On Jun 8, 2011, at 8:58 AM, Joanne Chua wrote: > >> hi there, >> >> i'm Joanne, from Australia whom currently on total transit from PC to >> Mac. however, i found that the commands and learning the back takes me >> too long, and i'm not really sure where to start. >> it sounds stupid i know but, may i ask, is there any tips or ways for >> me to fast track my learning curves with using voice over? >> >> any suggestion is deeply appreciated. >> >> many thanks >> >> Joanne :) >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > Kliph&Sharrie skhleirpehctcoens7...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: transition from pc to mac
This was a marvelously helpful message. I read nothing about either of these features in the voiceover quickstart, and no one has suggested them. Thank you so, so much for making me aware of them. I think this will make the Mac and I better friends in a much more timely manner. (Smile) Shannon Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me each Thursday from noon until three for the Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women In Music. Point your media player to: http://mojoradio.us/listen or www.mintfm.net On Jun 8, 2011, at 10:11 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > Joanne, > > for me the podcasts etc do help, but by far the biggest thing that very few > people seem to throw up as the most obviously easy way into Mac usage is to > use QuickNav. > > let me explain, there are a number of ways to use a Mac, unlike with a PC, > where you can really only use the qwerty keyboard. > > A Mac has different commanders as they are referred to, these are ways of > inputting commands or actions to Voice Over to make a desired thing happen, > be it navigation or more. > > you can use your keyboard, with the Voice Over keys, control and options, > with a range of additional keys to activate various commands. You can use the > number pad if your keyboard has one to also do the same, if you have a track > pad you can use that to gesture like you can on an iPHone, iPod Touch or iPad. > > but the big one for me that is often overlooked is Quick Nav, quick nav uses > the four arrow keys to enable you to quickly navigate around everything from > finder Windows, to apps, to text edit areas to the internet etc. > > firstly you need to know that in certain cases you have to turn quick nav off > and indeed back on again. you enable / disable quick nav using the left and > right arrow keys pressed once at the same time. quite literally left and > right arrow keys press once together. > > you'll hear Voice Over say, Quick Nav on or off. > > once its on, you can use individual presses of the right / left arrow to move > the Voice Over cursor from item to item on the screen... > > inserted little note here, you need to also understand that whilst PC's > screen readers use up and down arrows to move you about, the Mac uses left / > right, and thinking about this, it does make sense, as this is how sighted > folk read. > > so the left / right keys will move item by item, be it a chunk of text on the > internet, or icons on a desktop etc. > > the up / down arrow keys again individually pressed will cycle through the > elements of the item that you are interacting with based on the rotor > setting, the rotor is a dial or rotory styled switch which adjusts the method > of moving through elements in a given thing. > > let me explain, a web-site is made up of headings, links, visited links, > fields, form fields, tables etc. so when you're in Safari the rotor may have, > and you can customise this, headings, tables, links, words and characters > within the rotor. if you want to quickly move between the headings on a web > page you should make sure that the rotor is set to headings, you cchange the > roter setting by pressing together the up and left arrow keys, or the up and > right arrow keys. > > once you're on heading, use the up / down arrow key indivually to jump > between headings since this is what your roter is now set to. > > say you find the heading you are looking for, you can now right arrow through > the content, imagine though you find a word that Voice Over doesn't quite > read right, and you think, what did it say? change the roter to word, using > the up and right or up and left arrows together, now down press until yu are > one word ahead of the word you wish to have spelt, now change the roter to > charicter, press down arrow and the cursor will move charicter by charicter. > > once done simply change the roter bakc to heading or whatever you wish. > > this is just one example of how the roter works. > > another amazing thing which gets little press is the Item Chooser, which by > pressing control, options, I, will bring up a list of every single item on > any page you are on, be it a finder window or safari window etc. > > this has to be one of my favourite features of Voice Over. > > with this snazy feature you now have a list of every componant on the screen, > say you are on Amazon, and you've got an item up in front of you, you want to > find the add to basket button, but can't. > > press control, options, I, and then type basket, or b, a, s and leave it at > that... the list of items reduces based on the available options with your > letter combination. this is fantastic for finding things you are having > trouble with, or where for example you don't quite know if the item is, add > to basket, put in basket, add to cart, etc as you can try a few words > until you find what you want. you don't need to do it in any given order, so > even if
Re: transition from pc to mac
Hi there! You can also open the quick nav menu with vo+u then arrow through headers links and the others! And then like the item chooser you can narrow down the options by typing the first few letters! Handy if there is 1380 links! Or the header or others, when you found the item you want just vo+space and if it is a link vo+space should open it! hth Colin On 8 Jun 2011, at 18:16, Shannon Dyer wrote: > This was a marvelously helpful message. I read nothing about either of these > features in the voiceover quickstart, and no one has suggested them. Thank > you so, so much for making me aware of them. I think this will make the Mac > and I better friends in a much more timely manner. (Smile) > > Shannon > Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me each Thursday from noon until > three for the Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women In Music. Point > your media player to: > http://mojoradio.us/listen > or > www.mintfm.net > > On Jun 8, 2011, at 10:11 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > >> Joanne, >> >> for me the podcasts etc do help, but by far the biggest thing that very few >> people seem to throw up as the most obviously easy way into Mac usage is to >> use QuickNav. >> >> let me explain, there are a number of ways to use a Mac, unlike with a PC, >> where you can really only use the qwerty keyboard. >> >> A Mac has different commanders as they are referred to, these are ways of >> inputting commands or actions to Voice Over to make a desired thing happen, >> be it navigation or more. >> >> you can use your keyboard, with the Voice Over keys, control and options, >> with a range of additional keys to activate various commands. You can use >> the number pad if your keyboard has one to also do the same, if you have a >> track pad you can use that to gesture like you can on an iPHone, iPod Touch >> or iPad. >> >> but the big one for me that is often overlooked is Quick Nav, quick nav uses >> the four arrow keys to enable you to quickly navigate around everything from >> finder Windows, to apps, to text edit areas to the internet etc. >> >> firstly you need to know that in certain cases you have to turn quick nav >> off and indeed back on again. you enable / disable quick nav using the left >> and right arrow keys pressed once at the same time. quite literally left and >> right arrow keys press once together. >> >> you'll hear Voice Over say, Quick Nav on or off. >> >> once its on, you can use individual presses of the right / left arrow to >> move the Voice Over cursor from item to item on the screen... >> >> inserted little note here, you need to also understand that whilst PC's >> screen readers use up and down arrows to move you about, the Mac uses left / >> right, and thinking about this, it does make sense, as this is how sighted >> folk read. >> >> so the left / right keys will move item by item, be it a chunk of text on >> the internet, or icons on a desktop etc. >> >> the up / down arrow keys again individually pressed will cycle through the >> elements of the item that you are interacting with based on the rotor >> setting, the rotor is a dial or rotory styled switch which adjusts the >> method of moving through elements in a given thing. >> >> let me explain, a web-site is made up of headings, links, visited links, >> fields, form fields, tables etc. so when you're in Safari the rotor may >> have, and you can customise this, headings, tables, links, words and >> characters within the rotor. if you want to quickly move between the >> headings on a web page you should make sure that the rotor is set to >> headings, you cchange the roter setting by pressing together the up and left >> arrow keys, or the up and right arrow keys. >> >> once you're on heading, use the up / down arrow key individually to jump >> between headings since this is what your roter is now set to. >> >> say you find the heading you are looking for, you can now right arrow >> through the content, imagine though you find a word that Voice Over doesn't >> quite read right, and you think, what did it say? change the roter to word, >> using the up and right or up and left arrows together, now down press until >> you are one word ahead of the word you wish to have spelt, now change the >> roter to character, press down arrow and the cursor will move character by >> character. >> >> once done simply change the roter back to heading or whatever you wish. >> >> this is just one example of how the roter works. >> >> another amazing thing which gets little press is the Item Chooser, which by >> pressing control, options, I, will bring up a list of every single item on >> any page you are on, be it a finder window or safari window etc. >> >> this has to be one of my favourite features of Voice Over. >> >> with this snazy feature you now have a list of every component on the >> screen, say you are on Amazon, and you've got an item up in front of you, >> you want t
Toggling Preview Payne in Mail: a how-to Tutorial
OK, I myself and a few of my other friends have wondered how to toggle on and off the mail preview in mail that is below the messages table using Snow Leopard. It certainly was easier to do this in both Tiger and in Leopard, but, here's how to do it in 10.6. A sighted friend and I have confirmed at least five times that this consistently works regardless how your view is set in Mail. 1. Open up Mail. 2. Be sure that you're not interacting with anything whatsoever by pressing vo+shift+sup arrow until you hear a ding. 3. Move to the top of the screen with vo+home, or fn+vo+left arrow, depending on your setup. 4. Vo+right arrow past your mailboxes table, then one more time to the messages table list, and finally one more time to a horizontal splitter. This is where the hiding magic is gonna be at. 5. Even if your mouse follows your voiceover cursor, trust me with this as this doesn't appear consistent route your mouse pointer with vo+command+F5. remember that you may have to also use the fn key if your F keys are set to hardware. 6. Now, here's the trick. instead of doing like before, and double clicking with a double vo+shift+space, you need to literally speaking click the physical mouse. I don't mean click with a literal click through voiceover. Even vo+shift+space... that isn't good enough. You literally for some odd reason have to click the actual mouse or track pad. Remember if you are on a macbook using a track pad, the track pad is set up in such a way that different parts of it do different things. I wasn't aware of this, until my friend told me. So, what you want to do after routing your mouse to that horizontal splitter, is to left double click. So on a track pad, that will need to be done by double clicking at the very bottom left corner of the track pad. Otherwise, just reach up to the mouse and double click the left mouse button, or the only mouse button there if you have an external apple mouse. Now the area should be gone. Voiceover won't tell you this right away, but trust me, if you do it right it'll work consistently. To turn the preview payne back on...: 1. Make sure in mail that you're again, not interacting with anything at all. 2. Now navigate to the top left of the window with your vo+home or fn+vo+left arrow, again depending on your setup. 3. Next, vo+right arrow until you reach the message list table. Trust me with this. 4. Press vo+shift+down arrow to interact with the messages table scroll area. 5. Highlight with vo+down arrow, any message in the list. It doesn't matter which one, just so that one is selected. 6. Press vo+shift+up arrow to stop interacting with the message list table. 7. If you now vo+right arrow, you're gonna see two horizontal splitters. you want the second one you'll come to. A short way to get there is to do vo+end, or fn+vo+right arrow. Basically, it's at the very bottom right corner of the screen. Now remember from above, you ***have!*** No ifs ands or buts to it, you have! to have a message highlighted in the message list table. Otherwise this second horizontal splitter won't even be there. Once you find that second horizontal splitter, do like we did a second ago to hide the preview. So, route your mouse, vo+command+F5, plus your fn key if needed, then again, left double click your mouse. Again, bottom left corner, if you're on a track pad like on a macbook. Again, Voiceover won't necessarily tell you it worked. But again, it's very consistent. Trust me I did it about 5 times. It does work, if you do it correctly exactly as I've told you to do it. A very warm thanks to my friend Norma Watts for this tip. One more thing is, by the way, when you go to unhide the preview, make sure you have a message highlited in the message list. I can't stress that enough. If you don't have anything in the message list as it's empty, then a sollution would be either to find a mailbox that has some messages populated, or if worst last resort, just e-mail yourself to make a message pop up in the table. The other thing is, I don't thing you have to have a message highlighted when you're hiding the preview. Only when you're unhiding, however, just to be on the safe side, until I figure out otherwise, it may be good practice anyway to highlight a message first, even when hiding. I hope this helps some of you out. YOu all're definitely welcome to post this on any web site or blog. I have no problem with that. Take care. Chris. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: transition from pc to mac
This is truly an incredibly helpful post. I've had my Mac for several months but haven't made the switch from Jaws and the pc because I find the command structure and especially web navigation totally not intuitive. But these two suggestions have made me want to give it another try. Kim -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Shannon Dyer Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 1:16 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: transition from pc to mac This was a marvelously helpful message. I read nothing about either of these features in the voiceover quickstart, and no one has suggested them. Thank you so, so much for making me aware of them. I think this will make the Mac and I better friends in a much more timely manner. (Smile) Shannon Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me each Thursday from noon until three for the Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women In Music. Point your media player to: http://mojoradio.us/listen or www.mintfm.net On Jun 8, 2011, at 10:11 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > Joanne, > > for me the podcasts etc do help, but by far the biggest thing that very few people seem to throw up as the most obviously easy way into Mac usage is to use QuickNav. > > let me explain, there are a number of ways to use a Mac, unlike with a PC, where you can really only use the qwerty keyboard. > > A Mac has different commanders as they are referred to, these are ways of inputting commands or actions to Voice Over to make a desired thing happen, be it navigation or more. > > you can use your keyboard, with the Voice Over keys, control and options, with a range of additional keys to activate various commands. You can use the number pad if your keyboard has one to also do the same, if you have a track pad you can use that to gesture like you can on an iPHone, iPod Touch or iPad. > > but the big one for me that is often overlooked is Quick Nav, quick nav uses the four arrow keys to enable you to quickly navigate around everything from finder Windows, to apps, to text edit areas to the internet etc. > > firstly you need to know that in certain cases you have to turn quick nav off and indeed back on again. you enable / disable quick nav using the left and right arrow keys pressed once at the same time. quite literally left and right arrow keys press once together. > > you'll hear Voice Over say, Quick Nav on or off. > > once its on, you can use individual presses of the right / left arrow to move the Voice Over cursor from item to item on the screen... > > inserted little note here, you need to also understand that whilst PC's screen readers use up and down arrows to move you about, the Mac uses left / right, and thinking about this, it does make sense, as this is how sighted folk read. > > so the left / right keys will move item by item, be it a chunk of text on the internet, or icons on a desktop etc. > > the up / down arrow keys again individually pressed will cycle through the elements of the item that you are interacting with based on the rotor setting, the rotor is a dial or rotory styled switch which adjusts the method of moving through elements in a given thing. > > let me explain, a web-site is made up of headings, links, visited links, fields, form fields, tables etc. so when you're in Safari the rotor may have, and you can customise this, headings, tables, links, words and characters within the rotor. if you want to quickly move between the headings on a web page you should make sure that the rotor is set to headings, you cchange the roter setting by pressing together the up and left arrow keys, or the up and right arrow keys. > > once you're on heading, use the up / down arrow key indivually to jump between headings since this is what your roter is now set to. > > say you find the heading you are looking for, you can now right arrow through the content, imagine though you find a word that Voice Over doesn't quite read right, and you think, what did it say? change the roter to word, using the up and right or up and left arrows together, now down press until yu are one word ahead of the word you wish to have spelt, now change the roter to charicter, press down arrow and the cursor will move charicter by charicter. > > once done simply change the roter bakc to heading or whatever you wish. > > this is just one example of how the roter works. > > another amazing thing which gets little press is the Item Chooser, which by pressing control, options, I, will bring up a list of every single item on any page you are on, be it a finder window or safari window etc. > > this has to be one of my favourite features of Voice Over. > > with this snazy feature you now have a list of every componant on the screen, say you are on Amazon, and you've got an item up in front of you, you want to find the add to basket button, but can't. > > press control, options, I, and then type basket, or b, a, s and leave it a
Re: First time trying to use a flash drive with my Mac
I can't select a bunch of files from my music folder at a time and copy them to the drive? What a pain! I will try one at a time and sww if that works. I could copy over the whole file, but then I'll have to go through and delete; I'm putting together some music files for my husband's iTunes library, since I was told this is the easiest way to share music files. (We have different iTunes accounts.) Christine On Jun 8, 2011, at 12:22 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: > Hi Christine: > I don't believe you can copy more than one at a t ime, unless they're in a > folder. The other thing to keep in mind is you may need to interact in order > to paste. VO should be telling you both when it copies, and when it is > pasting, it should say, "paste, copying from ..." > > Sometimes it's ust a bit of trial and error tinkering. > > Carolyn > > On Jun 8, 2011, at 10:01 AM, Christine Grassman wrote: > >> Hi, Esther and others: thanks so much for your responses. I am now able to >> find the drive, and what I want to do is copy music files to it. However, I >> cannot figure out how to do this. I selected several files, copied them, >> then interacted with the empty table for the centon drive. I hit command v >> -- and got the error sound. This is how I went about things with my PC -- >> is there some step or nuance I'm missing? Even if someone must contact me >> off-list, could you walk me through the process, or point me to a podcast or >> web site that does so? I thought this was going to be one of the simpler >> things I would be doing . . . (grin). >> Christine >> On Jun 8, 2011, at 12:32 AM, Esther wrote: >> >>> Hi Christine, >>> >>> If this is a USB flash drive or memory stick you should not have to format >>> or otherwise activate it. If this is a new hard drive, depending on the >>> format, you may or may not want, or have to format (or reformat) the drive >>> with Disk Utility. What you decide to do depends on how you plan to use >>> the drive, and whether you need to both read and write to it from different >>> operating systems, or just plan to use it with your Mac, and the issue here >>> is that, without additional software, Windows file systems can't read the >>> default Mac file system file formats. >>> >>> Since, from your subject line, you are using a USB flash drive, I'll add a >>> suggestion to the good recommendations you've had from Zack and Ricardo. >>> If you can't find the drive on your Desktop, and Carolyn's suggestion of >>> looking in Finder on your computer (Command+Shift+C) doesn't work, try the >>> keyboard shortcut in Finder of Command+Shift+G (for "Go to Folder"). In >>> the text box of the dialog window that appears when you issue this command, >>> type or paste in: >>> "/Volumes" >>> without the surrounding quotation marks, but with the slash mark at the >>> beginning, and using a capital "V" for "Volumes", then press Return. >>> >>> This should show you all mounted volumes that are attached to your computer >>> in your Finder window. One of them will be "Macintosh HD", which is your >>> main hard drive. Another should be the name of your USB flash drive (e.g., >>> "Lexar", "Crucial", or "Untitled"), which you can then select. This method >>> (pressing Command+Shift+G and then going to the "/Volumes" folder in >>> Finder) works for me in the very few instances where an attached drive is >>> mounted on the system, but for some reason the graphical user interface >>> (GUI) doesn't update the information. The Finder view is a little simpler >>> with this command than what is displayed with Command+Shift+C (which, as >>> Carolyn explained, shows the top level of your Computer), because it >>> doesn't include network connections. >>> >>> Remember that you have to exit the files on the attached USB drive before >>> ejecting it. That means that you cannot have any of the files open in >>> another application (e.g., be viewing one of the files on the drive in >>> TextEdit), and you should navigate to the top level of the device in the >>> Finder window (use Command+Up arrow to move up levels). Then you can use >>> Command+E to eject the attached USB flash drive and remove it safely from >>> the USB port on your computer. >>> >>> HTH. Cheers, >>> >>> Esther >>> >>> On Jun 7, 2011, at 16:27, Christine Grassman wrote: >>> I did check that external disks were checked in Finder preferences to show on the desktop, but the only untitled folder there is not the disk. I can't find anything to activate the disk. Is there something else I can try -- is it possible I have to format it or something? It's brand-new. On Jun 7, 2011, at 10:08 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi Christine, > When you insert the drive an icon will appear on the desktop, which you > can then open. It might be labeled as Untitled or similar, depending on > whether the drive has a volume label or not. You open this w
Re: Toggling Preview Payne in Mail: a how-to Tutorial
Very nice but one question. Why would you want to either hide or unhide the preview pane? In the Journey, Ron On Jun 8, 2011, at 11:32 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > OK, I myself and a few of my other friends have wondered how to toggle on and > off the mail preview in mail that is below the messages table using Snow > Leopard. It certainly was easier to do this in both Tiger and in Leopard, > but, here's how to do it in 10.6. A sighted friend and I have confirmed at > least five times that this consistently works regardless how your view is set > in Mail. > > 1. Open up Mail. > 2. Be sure that you're not interacting with anything whatsoever by pressing > vo+shift+sup arrow until you hear a ding. > > 3. Move to the top of the screen with vo+home, or fn+vo+left arrow, > depending on your setup. > > 4. Vo+right arrow past your mailboxes table, then one more time to the > messages table list, and finally one more time to a horizontal splitter. > This is where the hiding magic is gonna be at. > > 5. Even if your mouse follows your voiceover cursor, trust me with this as > this doesn't appear consistent route your mouse pointer with vo+command+F5. > remember that you may have to also use the fn key if your F keys are set to > hardware. > > 6. Now, here's the trick. instead of doing like before, and double clicking > with a double vo+shift+space, you need to literally speaking click the > physical mouse. I don't mean click with a literal click through voiceover. > Even vo+shift+space... that isn't good enough. You literally for some odd > reason have to click the actual mouse or track pad. Remember if you are on a > macbook using a track pad, the track pad is set up in such a way that > different parts of it do different things. I wasn't aware of this, until my > friend told me. So, what you want to do after routing your mouse to that > horizontal splitter, is to left double click. So on a track pad, that will > need to be done by double clicking at the very bottom left corner of the > track pad. Otherwise, just reach up to the mouse and double click the left > mouse button, or the only mouse button there if you have an external apple > mouse. Now the area should be gone. Voiceover won't tell you this right > away, but trust me, if you do it right it'll work consistently. > > > To turn the preview payne back on...: > > 1. Make sure in mail that you're again, not interacting with anything at all. > > 2. Now navigate to the top left of the window with your vo+home or > fn+vo+left arrow, again depending on your setup. > > 3. Next, vo+right arrow until you reach the message list table. Trust me > with this. > > 4. Press vo+shift+down arrow to interact with the messages table scroll area. > > 5. Highlight with vo+down arrow, any message in the list. It doesn't matter > which one, just so that one is selected. > > 6. Press vo+shift+up arrow to stop interacting with the message list table. > > 7. If you now vo+right arrow, you're gonna see two horizontal splitters. > you want the second one you'll come to. A short way to get there is to do > vo+end, or fn+vo+right arrow. Basically, it's at the very bottom right > corner of the screen. Now remember from above, you ***have!*** No ifs ands > or buts to it, you have! to have a message highlighted in the message list > table. Otherwise this second horizontal splitter won't even be there. Once > you find that second horizontal splitter, do like we did a second ago to hide > the preview. So, route your mouse, vo+command+F5, plus your fn key if > needed, then again, left double click your mouse. Again, bottom left corner, > if you're on a track pad like on a macbook. Again, Voiceover won't > necessarily tell you it worked. But again, it's very consistent. Trust me I > did it about 5 times. It does work, if you do it correctly exactly as I've > told you to do it. > > A very warm thanks to my friend Norma Watts for this tip. > > One more thing is, by the way, when you go to unhide the preview, make sure > you have a message highlited in the message list. I can't stress that > enough. If you don't have anything in the message list as it's empty, then a > sollution would be either to find a mailbox that has some messages populated, > or if worst last resort, just e-mail yourself to make a message pop up in the > table. > > The other thing is, I don't thing you have to have a message highlighted when > you're hiding the preview. Only when you're unhiding, however, just to be on > the safe side, until I figure out otherwise, it may be good practice anyway > to highlight a message first, even when hiding. > > I hope this helps some of you out. YOu all're definitely welcome to post > this on any web site or blog. I have no problem with that. > > Take care. > > Chris. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >
Re: First time trying to use a flash drive with my Mac
Hi there! Well I can copy tracks from my hd to a card in my phone! What I found is I open the card and open the place I want to put the music! Then I open a new finder window and open the hd go to the tracks I want and copy as normal! Then change the window with command+` on my keyboard is next to z on the left! Vo tells me when I'm on the card window and then just paste as normal command+v and like Carolyn said it will tell you what your copying ! hth Colin On 8 Jun 2011, at 18:52, Christine Grassman wrote: > I can't select a bunch of files from my music folder at a time and copy them > to the drive? What a pain! I will try one at a time and sww if that works. I > could copy over the whole file, but then I'll have to go through and delete; > I'm putting together some music files for my husband's iTunes library, since > I was told this is the easiest way to share music files. (We have different > iTunes accounts.) > Christine > On Jun 8, 2011, at 12:22 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: > >> Hi Christine: >> I don't believe you can copy more than one at a t ime, unless they're in a >> folder. The other thing to keep in mind is you may need to interact in >> order to paste. VO should be telling you both when it copies, and when it >> is pasting, it should say, "paste, copying from ..." >> >> Sometimes it's ust a bit of trial and error tinkering. >> >> Carolyn >> >> On Jun 8, 2011, at 10:01 AM, Christine Grassman wrote: >> >>> Hi, Esther and others: thanks so much for your responses. I am now able to >>> find the drive, and what I want to do is copy music files to it. However, >>> I cannot figure out how to do this. I selected several files, copied them, >>> then interacted with the empty table for the centon drive. I hit command v >>> -- and got the error sound. This is how I went about things with my PC -- >>> is there some step or nuance I'm missing? Even if someone must contact me >>> off-list, could you walk me through the process, or point me to a podcast >>> or web site that does so? I thought this was going to be one of the >>> simpler things I would be doing . . . (grin). >>> Christine >>> On Jun 8, 2011, at 12:32 AM, Esther wrote: >>> Hi Christine, If this is a USB flash drive or memory stick you should not have to format or otherwise activate it. If this is a new hard drive, depending on the format, you may or may not want, or have to format (or reformat) the drive with Disk Utility. What you decide to do depends on how you plan to use the drive, and whether you need to both read and write to it from different operating systems, or just plan to use it with your Mac, and the issue here is that, without additional software, Windows file systems can't read the default Mac file system file formats. Since, from your subject line, you are using a USB flash drive, I'll add a suggestion to the good recommendations you've had from Zack and Ricardo. If you can't find the drive on your Desktop, and Carolyn's suggestion of looking in Finder on your computer (Command+Shift+C) doesn't work, try the keyboard shortcut in Finder of Command+Shift+G (for "Go to Folder"). In the text box of the dialog window that appears when you issue this command, type or paste in: "/Volumes" without the surrounding quotation marks, but with the slash mark at the beginning, and using a capital "V" for "Volumes", then press Return. This should show you all mounted volumes that are attached to your computer in your Finder window. One of them will be "Macintosh HD", which is your main hard drive. Another should be the name of your USB flash drive (e.g., "Lexar", "Crucial", or "Untitled"), which you can then select. This method (pressing Command+Shift+G and then going to the "/Volumes" folder in Finder) works for me in the very few instances where an attached drive is mounted on the system, but for some reason the graphical user interface (GUI) doesn't update the information. The Finder view is a little simpler with this command than what is displayed with Command+Shift+C (which, as Carolyn explained, shows the top level of your Computer), because it doesn't include network connections. Remember that you have to exit the files on the attached USB drive before ejecting it. That means that you cannot have any of the files open in another application (e.g., be viewing one of the files on the drive in TextEdit), and you should navigate to the top level of the device in the Finder window (use Command+Up arrow to move up levels). Then you can use Command+E to eject the attached USB flash drive and remove it safely from the USB port on your computer. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Jun 7, 2011, at 16:27, Christine Grassman wrote: > I did ch
Vuescan question
Hello: When I installed Vuescan yesterday, it put a volume on my desktop. I would now like to remove it, but am unable to do so. Does anyone know how I can remove this? TIA, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Vuescan question
Donna, VO/shift/M, down to eject and there you go. hth On Jun 8, 2011, at 2:09 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hello: > > When I installed Vuescan yesterday, it put a volume on my desktop. I would > now like to remove it, but am unable to do so. Does anyone know how I can > remove this? > TIA, > Donna > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Toggling Preview Payne in Mail: a how-to Tutorial
I like hiding it, for two reasons. 1. Most importantly, it gives you less screen clutter. 2. If you're coming from a windows background as I am, and on Windows, disabled the preview payne, then you might find having it enabled on the Mac to be a bit awquard. Each is to his/her own. If you don't want to disable it, don't. I just thought some may could benefit from it. There is no real particular reason you'd want to, it's just a preference. I personally like it hidden. You, on the other hand may not. I prefer it being like in the old days more menu style. You highlight the message and hit return to open it, then command w to close it. I know you can do that without hiding the payne, but again, I dono... maybe I gave pointless info... I thought I was helping. Sorry. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Ronald McEwan" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 2:03 PM Subject: Re: Toggling Preview Payne in Mail: a how-to Tutorial Very nice but one question. Why would you want to either hide or unhide the preview pane? In the Journey, Ron On Jun 8, 2011, at 11:32 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK, I myself and a few of my other friends have wondered how to toggle on and off the mail preview in mail that is below the messages table using Snow Leopard. It certainly was easier to do this in both Tiger and in Leopard, but, here's how to do it in 10.6. A sighted friend and I have confirmed at least five times that this consistently works regardless how your view is set in Mail. 1. Open up Mail. 2. Be sure that you're not interacting with anything whatsoever by pressing vo+shift+sup arrow until you hear a ding. 3. Move to the top of the screen with vo+home, or fn+vo+left arrow, depending on your setup. 4. Vo+right arrow past your mailboxes table, then one more time to the messages table list, and finally one more time to a horizontal splitter. This is where the hiding magic is gonna be at. 5. Even if your mouse follows your voiceover cursor, trust me with this as this doesn't appear consistent route your mouse pointer with vo+command+F5. remember that you may have to also use the fn key if your F keys are set to hardware. 6. Now, here's the trick. instead of doing like before, and double clicking with a double vo+shift+space, you need to literally speaking click the physical mouse. I don't mean click with a literal click through voiceover. Even vo+shift+space... that isn't good enough. You literally for some odd reason have to click the actual mouse or track pad. Remember if you are on a macbook using a track pad, the track pad is set up in such a way that different parts of it do different things. I wasn't aware of this, until my friend told me. So, what you want to do after routing your mouse to that horizontal splitter, is to left double click. So on a track pad, that will need to be done by double clicking at the very bottom left corner of the track pad. Otherwise, just reach up to the mouse and double click the left mouse button, or the only mouse button there if you have an external apple mouse. Now the area should be gone. Voiceover won't tell you this right away, but trust me, if you do it right it'll work consistently. To turn the preview payne back on...: 1. Make sure in mail that you're again, not interacting with anything at all. 2. Now navigate to the top left of the window with your vo+home or fn+vo+left arrow, again depending on your setup. 3. Next, vo+right arrow until you reach the message list table. Trust me with this. 4. Press vo+shift+down arrow to interact with the messages table scroll area. 5. Highlight with vo+down arrow, any message in the list. It doesn't matter which one, just so that one is selected. 6. Press vo+shift+up arrow to stop interacting with the message list table. 7. If you now vo+right arrow, you're gonna see two horizontal splitters. you want the second one you'll come to. A short way to get there is to do vo+end, or fn+vo+right arrow. Basically, it's at the very bottom right corner of the screen. Now remember from above, you ***have!*** No ifs ands or buts to it, you have! to have a message highlighted in the message list table. Otherwise this second horizontal splitter won't even be there. Once you find that second horizontal splitter, do like we did a second ago to hide the preview. So, route your mouse, vo+command+F5, plus your fn key if needed, then again, left double click your mouse. Again, bottom left corner, if you're on a track pad like on a macbook. Again, Voiceover won't necessarily tell you it worked. But again, it's very consistent. Trust me I did it about 5 times. It does work, if you do it correctly exactly as I've told you to do it. A very warm thanks to my friend Norma Watts for this tip. One more thing is, by the way, when you go to unhide the preview, make sure you have a message highlited in the mes
Re: Vuescan question
Can't you just highlight it, then hit command e to eject it? Remember, make sure you keyboard follows your voiceover cursor, otherwise voiceover may say you're focussed on it, when it all actualness, you're really not, which would explain why it wouldn't be working. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 2:09 PM Subject: Vuescan question Hello: When I installed Vuescan yesterday, it put a volume on my desktop. I would now like to remove it, but am unable to do so. Does anyone know how I can remove this? TIA, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: transition from pc to mac
Okay, I have a few questions that I haven't seen in the last few months. How do you put things on your desc top? And how do you move a folder from one place to the next? Like what command is like the applications key in windows, or alt key, these keys gave us the options to copy move or send things to certain areas. Lastly, what's the tricks to creating a signature in apple mail? Thanks from a new user. On Jun 8, 2011, at 12:50 PM, Kimberly wrote: > This is truly an incredibly helpful post. > > I've had my Mac for several months but haven't made the switch from Jaws and > the pc because I find the command structure and especially web navigation > totally not intuitive. But these two suggestions have made me want to give > it another try. > > Kim > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Shannon Dyer > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 1:16 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: transition from pc to mac > > > This was a marvelously helpful message. I read nothing about either of these > features in the voiceover quickstart, and no one has suggested them. Thank > you so, so much for making me aware of them. I think this will make the Mac > and I better friends in a much more timely manner. (Smile) > > Shannon > Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me each Thursday from noon until > three for the Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women In Music. Point > your media player to: > http://mojoradio.us/listen > or > www.mintfm.net > > On Jun 8, 2011, at 10:11 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > >> Joanne, >> >> for me the podcasts etc do help, but by far the biggest thing that very > few people seem to throw up as the most obviously easy way into Mac usage is > to use QuickNav. >> >> let me explain, there are a number of ways to use a Mac, unlike with a PC, > where you can really only use the qwerty keyboard. >> >> A Mac has different commanders as they are referred to, these are ways of > inputting commands or actions to Voice Over to make a desired thing happen, > be it navigation or more. >> >> you can use your keyboard, with the Voice Over keys, control and options, > with a range of additional keys to activate various commands. You can use > the number pad if your keyboard has one to also do the same, if you have a > track pad you can use that to gesture like you can on an iPHone, iPod Touch > or iPad. >> >> but the big one for me that is often overlooked is Quick Nav, quick nav > uses the four arrow keys to enable you to quickly navigate around everything > from finder Windows, to apps, to text edit areas to the internet etc. >> >> firstly you need to know that in certain cases you have to turn quick nav > off and indeed back on again. you enable / disable quick nav using the left > and right arrow keys pressed once at the same time. quite literally left and > right arrow keys press once together. >> >> you'll hear Voice Over say, Quick Nav on or off. >> >> once its on, you can use individual presses of the right / left arrow to > move the Voice Over cursor from item to item on the screen... >> >> inserted little note here, you need to also understand that whilst PC's > screen readers use up and down arrows to move you about, the Mac uses left / > right, and thinking about this, it does make sense, as this is how sighted > folk read. >> >> so the left / right keys will move item by item, be it a chunk of text on > the internet, or icons on a desktop etc. >> >> the up / down arrow keys again individually pressed will cycle through the > elements of the item that you are interacting with based on the rotor > setting, the rotor is a dial or rotory styled switch which adjusts the > method of moving through elements in a given thing. >> >> let me explain, a web-site is made up of headings, links, visited links, > fields, form fields, tables etc. so when you're in Safari the rotor may > have, and you can customise this, headings, tables, links, words and > characters within the rotor. if you want to quickly move between the > headings on a web page you should make sure that the rotor is set to > headings, you cchange the roter setting by pressing together the up and left > arrow keys, or the up and right arrow keys. >> >> once you're on heading, use the up / down arrow key indivually to jump > between headings since this is what your roter is now set to. >> >> say you find the heading you are looking for, you can now right arrow > through the content, imagine though you find a word that Voice Over doesn't > quite read right, and you think, what did it say? change the roter to word, > using the up and right or up and left arrows together, now down press until > yu are one word ahead of the word you wish to have spelt, now change the > roter to charicter, press down arrow and the cursor will move charicter by > charicter. >> >> once done simply change the roter bakc to hea
Re: Vuescan question
Oh, this is funny! Ejecting never occurred to me. And interestingly, there wasn't an option to eject in the context menu, but CommandE did the trick. thanks! Donna On Jun 8, 2011, at 2:18 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote: > Donna, VO/shift/M, down to eject and there you go. hth > On Jun 8, 2011, at 2:09 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > >> Hello: >> >> When I installed Vuescan yesterday, it put a volume on my desktop. I would >> now like to remove it, but am unable to do so. Does anyone know how I can >> remove this? >> TIA, >> Donna >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Toggling Preview Payne in Mail: a how-to Tutorial
Your info was not pointless! I'm coming from outlook 2010, and have been using outlook since 2005, and I always hid the preview pain. Your info was right on time, thanks a bunch! If you have any more tips please let me know. My email is skhleirpehctcoens7...@gmail.com thanks. On Jun 8, 2011, at 1:18 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > I like hiding it, for two reasons. > > 1. Most importantly, it gives you less screen clutter. > > 2. If you're coming from a windows background as I am, and on Windows, > disabled the preview payne, then you might find having it enabled on the Mac > to be a bit awquard. Each is to his/her own. If you don't want to disable > it, don't. I just thought some may could benefit from it. There is no real > particular reason you'd want to, it's just a preference. > > I personally like it hidden. You, on the other hand may not. > > I prefer it being like in the old days more menu style. You highlight the > message and hit return to open it, then command w to close it. > > I know you can do that without hiding the payne, but again, > > I dono... maybe I gave pointless info... I thought I was helping. > > Sorry. > > Chris. > > - Original Message - From: "Ronald McEwan" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 2:03 PM > Subject: Re: Toggling Preview Payne in Mail: a how-to Tutorial > > > Very nice but one question. Why would you want to either hide or unhide the > preview pane? > > > > In the Journey, > > Ron > > On Jun 8, 2011, at 11:32 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > >> OK, I myself and a few of my other friends have wondered how to toggle on >> and off the mail preview in mail that is below the messages table using Snow >> Leopard. It certainly was easier to do this in both Tiger and in Leopard, >> but, here's how to do it in 10.6. A sighted friend and I have confirmed at >> least five times that this consistently works regardless how your view is >> set in Mail. >> >> 1. Open up Mail. >> 2. Be sure that you're not interacting with anything whatsoever by pressing >> vo+shift+sup arrow until you hear a ding. >> >> 3. Move to the top of the screen with vo+home, or fn+vo+left arrow, >> depending on your setup. >> >> 4. Vo+right arrow past your mailboxes table, then one more time to the >> messages table list, and finally one more time to a horizontal splitter. >> This is where the hiding magic is gonna be at. >> >> 5. Even if your mouse follows your voiceover cursor, trust me with this as >> this doesn't appear consistent route your mouse pointer with vo+command+F5. >> remember that you may have to also use the fn key if your F keys are set to >> hardware. >> >> 6. Now, here's the trick. instead of doing like before, and double >> clicking with a double vo+shift+space, you need to literally speaking click >> the physical mouse. I don't mean click with a literal click through >> voiceover. Even vo+shift+space... that isn't good enough. You literally >> for some odd reason have to click the actual mouse or track pad. Remember >> if you are on a macbook using a track pad, the track pad is set up in such a >> way that different parts of it do different things. I wasn't aware of this, >> until my friend told me. So, what you want to do after routing your mouse >> to that horizontal splitter, is to left double click. So on a track pad, >> that will need to be done by double clicking at the very bottom left corner >> of the track pad. Otherwise, just reach up to the mouse and double click >> the left mouse button, or the only mouse button there if you have an >> external apple mouse. Now the area should be gone. Voiceover won't tell >> you this right away, but trust me, if you do it right it'll work >> consistently. >> >> >> To turn the preview payne back on...: >> >> 1. Make sure in mail that you're again, not interacting with anything at >> all. >> >> 2. Now navigate to the top left of the window with your vo+home or >> fn+vo+left arrow, again depending on your setup. >> >> 3. Next, vo+right arrow until you reach the message list table. Trust me >> with this. >> >> 4. Press vo+shift+down arrow to interact with the messages table scroll >> area. >> >> 5. Highlight with vo+down arrow, any message in the list. It doesn't >> matter which one, just so that one is selected. >> >> 6. Press vo+shift+up arrow to stop interacting with the message list table. >> >> 7. If you now vo+right arrow, you're gonna see two horizontal splitters. >> you want the second one you'll come to. A short way to get there is to do >> vo+end, or fn+vo+right arrow. Basically, it's at the very bottom right >> corner of the screen. Now remember from above, you ***have!*** No ifs ands >> or buts to it, you have! to have a message highlighted in the message list >> table. Otherwise this second horizontal splitter won't even be there. Once >> you find that second horizontal splitter, do lik
Re: Toggling Preview Payne in Mail: a how-to Tutorial
No worries. I was just curious. In the Journey, Ron On Jun 8, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > I like hiding it, for two reasons. > > 1. Most importantly, it gives you less screen clutter. > > 2. If you're coming from a windows background as I am, and on Windows, > disabled the preview payne, then you might find having it enabled on the Mac > to be a bit awquard. Each is to his/her own. If you don't want to disable > it, don't. I just thought some may could benefit from it. There is no real > particular reason you'd want to, it's just a preference. > > I personally like it hidden. You, on the other hand may not. > > I prefer it being like in the old days more menu style. You highlight the > message and hit return to open it, then command w to close it. > > I know you can do that without hiding the payne, but again, > > I dono... maybe I gave pointless info... I thought I was helping. > > Sorry. > > Chris. > > - Original Message - From: "Ronald McEwan" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 2:03 PM > Subject: Re: Toggling Preview Payne in Mail: a how-to Tutorial > > > Very nice but one question. Why would you want to either hide or unhide the > preview pane? > > > > In the Journey, > > Ron > > On Jun 8, 2011, at 11:32 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > >> OK, I myself and a few of my other friends have wondered how to toggle on >> and off the mail preview in mail that is below the messages table using Snow >> Leopard. It certainly was easier to do this in both Tiger and in Leopard, >> but, here's how to do it in 10.6. A sighted friend and I have confirmed at >> least five times that this consistently works regardless how your view is >> set in Mail. >> >> 1. Open up Mail. >> 2. Be sure that you're not interacting with anything whatsoever by pressing >> vo+shift+sup arrow until you hear a ding. >> >> 3. Move to the top of the screen with vo+home, or fn+vo+left arrow, >> depending on your setup. >> >> 4. Vo+right arrow past your mailboxes table, then one more time to the >> messages table list, and finally one more time to a horizontal splitter. >> This is where the hiding magic is gonna be at. >> >> 5. Even if your mouse follows your voiceover cursor, trust me with this as >> this doesn't appear consistent route your mouse pointer with vo+command+F5. >> remember that you may have to also use the fn key if your F keys are set to >> hardware. >> >> 6. Now, here's the trick. instead of doing like before, and double >> clicking with a double vo+shift+space, you need to literally speaking click >> the physical mouse. I don't mean click with a literal click through >> voiceover. Even vo+shift+space... that isn't good enough. You literally >> for some odd reason have to click the actual mouse or track pad. Remember >> if you are on a macbook using a track pad, the track pad is set up in such a >> way that different parts of it do different things. I wasn't aware of this, >> until my friend told me. So, what you want to do after routing your mouse >> to that horizontal splitter, is to left double click. So on a track pad, >> that will need to be done by double clicking at the very bottom left corner >> of the track pad. Otherwise, just reach up to the mouse and double click >> the left mouse button, or the only mouse button there if you have an >> external apple mouse. Now the area should be gone. Voiceover won't tell >> you this right away, but trust me, if you do it right it'll work >> consistently. >> >> >> To turn the preview payne back on...: >> >> 1. Make sure in mail that you're again, not interacting with anything at >> all. >> >> 2. Now navigate to the top left of the window with your vo+home or >> fn+vo+left arrow, again depending on your setup. >> >> 3. Next, vo+right arrow until you reach the message list table. Trust me >> with this. >> >> 4. Press vo+shift+down arrow to interact with the messages table scroll >> area. >> >> 5. Highlight with vo+down arrow, any message in the list. It doesn't >> matter which one, just so that one is selected. >> >> 6. Press vo+shift+up arrow to stop interacting with the message list table. >> >> 7. If you now vo+right arrow, you're gonna see two horizontal splitters. >> you want the second one you'll come to. A short way to get there is to do >> vo+end, or fn+vo+right arrow. Basically, it's at the very bottom right >> corner of the screen. Now remember from above, you ***have!*** No ifs ands >> or buts to it, you have! to have a message highlighted in the message list >> table. Otherwise this second horizontal splitter won't even be there. Once >> you find that second horizontal splitter, do like we did a second ago to >> hide the preview. So, route your mouse, vo+command+F5, plus your fn key if >> needed, then again, left double click your mouse. Again, bottom left >> corner, if you're on a track pad like on
Re: multiple email accounts?
That's fine for repplying, but I run a couple of mailing groups, and sometimes I send info to all of them, but want to send from a different account where I'm getting the information, and switching back and forth between accounts is pretty time consuming. So I was hoping there was a keystroke to bring up the combo box to choose from. On Jun 8, 2011, at 9:30 AM, Isaac Obie wrote: > Hello Kliph, > You know, you can have a mailbox for each account. For example: I have onne > for Verizon, Gmail and Apple mail. > So you won't need to worry about which one to answer first. Just go to the > different mailboxes and answer all the mail there. You seem to be quite > active in your imac. If you're near an Apple store perhaps you would benefit > from the "one-to-One" program. I think you would have a ball and I think > you'd learn quickly. You can pearn different programs as you go. You can have > as many lessons as you can handle. but it's all dependent upon whether > there's an Apple store near you. > All the best! > Isaac > - Original Message - From: "Kliph&Sharrie" > > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 8:34 AM > Subject: multiple email accounts? > > >> Hello, I have multiple email accounts, how do I choose witch one I want to >> send from? Do I have to be in that account, or is there a key combo I can >> hit? Thanks. >> >> Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: First time trying to use a flash drive with my Mac
HI christine: There is the option of selecting noncontiguous files, , I've just never understood it well enough to have it work for me. But it involves turning off cursor tracking while selecting Here is the how-to from an earlier post. On May 15, 2011, at 9:56 PM, Esther wrote: Hi Rose, ... Incidentally, I came across this because I was checking my Preview Bookmarks menu and, in an old version of the VoiceOver Getting Started Guide for Leopard, had bookmarked the section on "Non-Contiguous Selection". ... I'll paste in what the section on non-contiguous selection said, since it also references the escape key to deselect: Hello. 1. interact with the list with vo shift m. 2. arrow down to the item you want to start the selection. 3. turn vo curser tracking off with vo f3 and lock your vo keys with vo semi colon. both of these are toggles by the way. 4. Now just arrow down and press cmd space on the items you want to select. when you are done unlock your vo keys with vo semi colon, complete your action and then reenable curser tracking and you should be set to go. to select non-contiguous items: 1. Navigate to the first item. If VO cursors are not following each other, then use VO-cmd-f5 (add FN on a laptop) to bring focus to where VO is. 2. Now turn off cursor tracking by pressing VO-shift-f3 (add the FN on a laptop). 3. Navigate to the next item you wish to select. 4. Press VO-cmd-space. 5. Repeat #3 and #4 until you have all items selected. 6. Press cmd-c to copy or begin dragging or do whatever you wish to do. 7. Turn cursor tracking back on using VO-shift-f3 (add FN on a laptop). don't forget to do #7 as it will frustrate you to no end when cursor tracking is off and you're trying to do things you're used to doing. HTH Carolyn . On Jun 8, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Christine Grassman wrote: > I can't select a bunch of files from my music folder at a time and copy them > to the drive? What a pain! I will try one at a time and sww if that works. I > could copy over the whole file, but then I'll have to go through and delete; > I'm putting together some music files for my husband's iTunes library, since > I was told this is the easiest way to share music files. (We have different > iTunes accounts.) > Christine > On Jun 8, 2011, at 12:22 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: > >> Hi Christine: >> I don't believe you can copy more than one at a t ime, unless they're in a >> folder. The other thing to keep in mind is you may need to interact in >> order to paste. VO should be telling you both when it copies, and when it >> is pasting, it should say, "paste, copying from ..." >> >> Sometimes it's ust a bit of trial and error tinkering. >> >> Carolyn >> >> On Jun 8, 2011, at 10:01 AM, Christine Grassman wrote: >> >>> Hi, Esther and others: thanks so much for your responses. I am now able to >>> find the drive, and what I want to do is copy music files to it. However, >>> I cannot figure out how to do this. I selected several files, copied them, >>> then interacted with the empty table for the centon drive. I hit command v >>> -- and got the error sound. This is how I went about things with my PC -- >>> is there some step or nuance I'm missing? Even if someone must contact me >>> off-list, could you walk me through the process, or point me to a podcast >>> or web site that does so? I thought this was going to be one of the >>> simpler things I would be doing . . . (grin). >>> Christine >>> On Jun 8, 2011, at 12:32 AM, Esther wrote: >>> Hi Christine, If this is a USB flash drive or memory stick you should not have to format or otherwise activate it. If this is a new hard drive, depending on the format, you may or may not want, or have to format (or reformat) the drive with Disk Utility. What you decide to do depends on how you plan to use the drive, and whether you need to both read and write to it from different operating systems, or just plan to use it with your Mac, and the issue here is that, without additional software, Windows file systems can't read the default Mac file system file formats. Since, from your subject line, you are using a USB flash drive, I'll add a suggestion to the good recommendations you've had from Zack and Ricardo. If you can't find the drive on your Desktop, and Carolyn's suggestion of looking in Finder on your computer (Command+Shift+C) doesn't work, try the keyboard shortcut in Finder of Command+Shift+G (for "Go to Folder"). In the text box of the dialog window that appears when you issue this command, type or paste in: "/Volumes" without the surrounding quotation marks, but with the slash mark at the beginning, and using a capital "V" for "Volumes", then press Return. This should show you all mounted volumes that are attached to your computer in your Finder window. One of them will be "Macintosh H
Re: transition from pc to mac
Shannon, I tried to make the switch to Mac three times over, and failed, always resulting in me sending back my Mac within the 14 days. When I discovered QuickNav and the Item Chooser it finally made the cross over to the Mac world so much more easier and intuitive. Why these aspects of the Mac and Voice Over are not covered int the quick start is beyond me, but they aught to be. In October last year I bought, for the fourth time in my life, a Mac, this being the 27in iMac fully loaded with all the treats, I've kept this machine and am writing to you now on it, and since October also have bought a MacBook Air to replace my laptop and a MacMini for use in my TV room. what does this mean, I've made the switch, and if you check the list achieves you'll discover that I was a pretty hardened, this is impossible type chap. its not impossible, its just that many of us forget just how hard it was in the first place, and forget the specifics of the mechanics we used to over come the experience... so you tend to get a lot of, its hard, just stick with it, its a learning curve, OSx is just different, type messages. these are all true, and indeed, practice makes perfect, I would now say that 7 months or so into my switch, I am as fluent a MAc user if not more than my Windows experience... What is the key here is to identify the tools one uses on a day to day bases with the Mac, for me QuickNav and the Item Chooser are solid and functional ways of using my Mac, they keep me quick and can save the use of multiple key press commands. The Item Chooser is the one thing that I would argue really sets Voice Over apart from the Windows screen readers, yet again, as per my earlier message, it gets very little press. The other thing you'll find is of course the stability of Voice Over, which is far greater than that of any of the PC screen readers. People will preach that the Mac and OSx is different to a PC, I don't buy this line, a PC and a Mac are far more similar than people would have you believe. PC users say Control Panel, Mac users say System Preferences, PC users have a Start Button at the bottom left, Mac users have an Apple button at the top left. PC users have in dependant menu bars per application, Mac users have a unified single menu bar, which alters its content as you alt-tab key between applications. PC users have an explore window, or windows, Mac users have finders, or finder windows. PC users have search in the start menu, Mac users have spot light at the top right of the screen. PC Users have a desktop, surprise, surprise, so does the Mac, PC users alt-tab key between running apps, Mac users do the same, PC users have an applications folder, so do Mac users. some useful tips: command key followed by , will bring up the preferences of an app you are in, almost any or every app. the tab key pretty much works just like back in windows, alt-tab will switch between running apps. if you enable keyboard commander in the commanders section of Voice Over config, enable the right hand options key in the radio buttons, and this will mean you can do things like right options key t, this will announce the time and date. you can if you wish, in date / time in the system preferences have the time auto announced every hour, every3 30 minutes, or on the quarter hour. the system preferences found in the apple menu, got to by pressing control, options m, which is the Mac version of the control panel, has many of the things you are likely looking for in relation to configuring your Mac, like when it sleeps / hibernates, etc. you can of course press control, options, space bar to activate anything, but if you use QuickNav, as previously outlined, you can just arrow right / left with individual key presses to the icon or item you want, say a link in Safari, then pressing the up and down arrow keys together will result in a press of that button / link etc. hope that this helps a little further. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 Jun 2011, at 18:16, Shannon Dyer wrote: This was a marvelously helpful message. I read nothing about either of these features in the voiceover quickstart, and no one has suggested them. Thank you so, so much for making me aware of them. I think this will make the Mac and I better friends in a much more timely manner. (Smile) Shannon Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me each Thursday from noon until three for the Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women In Music. Point your media player to: http://mojoradio.us/listen or www.mintfm.net On Jun 8, 2011, at 10:11 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > Joanne, > > for me the podcasts etc do help, but by far the
Re: transition from pc to mac
Colin, don't forget if you are using quicknav, up and down arrow keys together is the same as control, options space. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 Jun 2011, at 18:26, Colin M wrote: Hi there! You can also open the quick nav menu with vo+u then arrow through headers links and the others! And then like the item chooser you can narrow down the options by typing the first few letters! Handy if there is 1380 links! Or the header or others, when you found the item you want just vo+space and if it is a link vo+space should open it! hth Colin On 8 Jun 2011, at 18:16, Shannon Dyer wrote: > This was a marvelously helpful message. I read nothing about either of these > features in the voiceover quickstart, and no one has suggested them. Thank > you so, so much for making me aware of them. I think this will make the Mac > and I better friends in a much more timely manner. (Smile) > > Shannon > Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me each Thursday from noon until > three for the Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women In Music. Point > your media player to: > http://mojoradio.us/listen > or > www.mintfm.net > > On Jun 8, 2011, at 10:11 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > >> Joanne, >> >> for me the podcasts etc do help, but by far the biggest thing that very few >> people seem to throw up as the most obviously easy way into Mac usage is to >> use QuickNav. >> >> let me explain, there are a number of ways to use a Mac, unlike with a PC, >> where you can really only use the qwerty keyboard. >> >> A Mac has different commanders as they are referred to, these are ways of >> inputting commands or actions to Voice Over to make a desired thing happen, >> be it navigation or more. >> >> you can use your keyboard, with the Voice Over keys, control and options, >> with a range of additional keys to activate various commands. You can use >> the number pad if your keyboard has one to also do the same, if you have a >> track pad you can use that to gesture like you can on an iPHone, iPod Touch >> or iPad. >> >> but the big one for me that is often overlooked is Quick Nav, quick nav uses >> the four arrow keys to enable you to quickly navigate around everything from >> finder Windows, to apps, to text edit areas to the internet etc. >> >> firstly you need to know that in certain cases you have to turn quick nav >> off and indeed back on again. you enable / disable quick nav using the left >> and right arrow keys pressed once at the same time. quite literally left and >> right arrow keys press once together. >> >> you'll hear Voice Over say, Quick Nav on or off. >> >> once its on, you can use individual presses of the right / left arrow to >> move the Voice Over cursor from item to item on the screen... >> >> inserted little note here, you need to also understand that whilst PC's >> screen readers use up and down arrows to move you about, the Mac uses left / >> right, and thinking about this, it does make sense, as this is how sighted >> folk read. >> >> so the left / right keys will move item by item, be it a chunk of text on >> the internet, or icons on a desktop etc. >> >> the up / down arrow keys again individually pressed will cycle through the >> elements of the item that you are interacting with based on the rotor >> setting, the rotor is a dial or rotory styled switch which adjusts the >> method of moving through elements in a given thing. >> >> let me explain, a web-site is made up of headings, links, visited links, >> fields, form fields, tables etc. so when you're in Safari the rotor may >> have, and you can customise this, headings, tables, links, words and >> characters within the rotor. if you want to quickly move between the >> headings on a web page you should make sure that the rotor is set to >> headings, you cchange the roter setting by pressing together the up and left >> arrow keys, or the up and right arrow keys. >> >> once you're on heading, use the up / down arrow key individually to jump >> between headings since this is what your roter is now set to. >> >> say you find the heading you are looking for, you can now right arrow >> through the content, imagine though you find a word that Voice Over doesn't >> quite read right, and you think, what did it say? change the roter to word, >> using the up and right or up and left arrows together, now down press until >> you are one word ahead of the word you wish to have spelt, now change the >> roter to character, press down arrow and the cursor will move character by >> character. >> >> once done simply change the roter back to heading or whatever you wish. >> >> this is just one example of how the roter works. >> >
Re: EPub Reader, was: Re: new imac user needing apple mail help
There are about 5 of them in the app store for mac os. Best, Erik Burggraaf User support consultant, Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf, 1-888-255-5194 http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-06-07, at 6:28 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > Dan, > > You're confused on my question. I understand that about IBooks, but that > wasn't what I asked. What I was asking was is there an e pub reader that is > non! I O S based. In other words, one I can use just on the mac itself > without an I O S device. > > Chris. > - Original Message - From: "Dan" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 6:04 PM > Subject: Re: EPub Reader, was: Re: new imac user needing apple mail help > > > Hello, > It's iBook and it's already on the iOS devices. > > Dan > > On Jun 7, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > >> I can't help but ask, I don't know how this as unrelated got down in the >> original message headers, but reading down this mail far enough, I see >> something about e pub books on non I O S devices. this always has been a >> major cooleness to me. Can someone enlighten me? Do we have access to a >> good EPub reader? If so, that's gonna be sweet! >> >> Chris. >> >> - Original Message - From: "Kliph&Sharrie" >> >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 5:03 PM >> Subject: new imac user needing apple mail help >> >> >> Okay, I have been using outlook for the last 5 years. Could someone please >> give me some simple tips on how to move around apple mail smoothly? I just >> want to view the subjectlines, read and reply, nothing to fancy right now. >> Just got my imac early this morning, and coming from windows cold turkey, so >> please be kind. >> >> >> Sent from Minister Miller' iphonvelocity.focu...@virginmedia.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi there! >>> I've just had a email from Itunes talking about Ibooks in Itunes for your >>> computer! >>> hth Colin >>> On 7 Jun 2011, at 19:43, Jon Cohn wrote: >>> Tidbits.com who also publish the take control books, talked a little about ePub books on the Macintosh yesterday. Apparently the iTunes store now allows purchases of books, and I believe they had two suggestions about reading those books on your non-IOS Apple device. Best regards, Jonathan On Jun 6, 2011, at 9:23 PM, Howard Dupuis wrote: > Am I understanding correctly that we'll soon be able to read iBooks on > the Mac? If iCloud is going to be synching all devices, then a book I > purchase on my iPod Touch would be available on my Mac, too, no? I'm > hoping so. > Thanks. > -- Howard > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://gr
Re: Chill mats?
Hi, The conventional laptop design has 3 vents. One is usually on a side or back face and vents the power supply. The other two are usually on the bottom and are intended to disipate the heat from the processor and hard drive. The problem with these is that they usually aren't fanned. Therefore, if you use a conventional laptop on your lap the heat from the processor will be dumped right onto your thighs. It's very disconcerting especially if you dwell on it. Apple's design has one fan at the rear which does for the whole laptop. They get away with this by using aluminum materials so that the entire laptop dissipates heat. For normal use, your laptop should feel like it's running at room temperature. Even if you fire up your windows virtual machine, the heat should be tolerable unless you try to do something really high end under windows. Fan noise all the time and constant heat speaks to me of something inside your laptop. You don't for example, have a guide dog by chance? Dogs shed, and no matter what a good dog owner does, they will invariably be covered in dog hair. It sticks to clothes, fernaturem bedding (even if you don't allow your dog on the bed)... No matter how well you keep things up, dog hair can get into your laptop. That happened to a client of mine who refuses to use a desk, storing her laptop on the floor and using it laying down on the bed. And of course, dog hair from clothes, bedding, and especially floor was pouring into her laptop all unbeknownsed to her. I believe in laptop coolers myself because of my experiences with turion notebooks, but you shouldn't necessarily need one for your mac. Best, Erik Burggraaf User support consultant, Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf, 1-888-255-5194 http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-06-08, at 9:33 AM, Allison Manzino wrote: > Hi all, > > I hope everyone is doing well. My apologies for my absence as my Macbook has > been sent for repair to Apple. It is now back, and I have a question. I don't > know if any of you have ever experienced the heat factor. My MB was > overheating and losing a charge, this is why it has was sent back to Apple. > The tech person at Apple told me not to have the Macbook on anything soft > like my lap as it would cause overheating and may have been the source of the > problem all along. In doing research, I came across a post about chill mats. > These are mats that are designed to go under your Mac with a USB cord and a > fan. The one I just purchased contains a USB cord and a fan, the premise is > you plug the USB cord in and when the fan senses the Mac getting hot it turns > on and cools it down. It is supposed to keep your lap and the Mac cool. With > the edition of this mat, you can have the Macbook on your lap again and not > be relegated to a desk to table. Which I really don't understand why you must > place them on a hard surface, if the whole premise of the Macbook is to be > portable. Well, just my two cents. Has anyone ever heard of the overheating > issue, or the chill mats? Thank you for reading this, sorry if it is a bit > off topic. My apologies to the moderators if it is. > > Musically, > Allison > > My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar! > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Clearing Up Some Confusion Re: ICloud
Hi, folks, There are some aspects of ICloud that are available in beta now, as was announced in the keynote address. One is the ITunes IBook store, which lets you purchase books on your computer and have books automatically downloaded on your IOS4.3.3 device. You can set this up in settings/store on the device, and you can choose what you want automatically downloaded: music, books, and apps. This works with ITunes 10.3 and IOS4.3.3. There are other things that won't be available till IOS5 comes out in the fall. Here's the page that spells it out: http://www.apple.com/icloud/features/ I know I did a good deal toward contributing to the confusion, and just wanted to do what I could to clear it up. :) Teresa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: transition from pc to mac
Kim, especially on the internet with Safari quicknav I found to be a blessing... launch Safari, enable quicknav, left / right keys together, if it says quicknav off, do it again so it says its on. now simply go to your favourite web-site, something you know the layout of well. press command l to bring up the URL box and type in the url and press enter. the page will load and if you've not changed the defaults of voice Over it will auto move your focus to the new page. now simply using single key presses, press the right arrow key and you'll be amazed to hear your site now being read to you nice and simply and understandably. if you wish to get cleaver and jump about a bit, move through the rotor by pressing up and right / up and left together at the same time, until you hear the type of jump you wish to make, say headers etc. now simply individually single press the up or down keys, you're now jumping through the site. want to read that headings content, no problem, just start using the right arrow. want to read word by word, fine, change the rotor to word, and then use the down arrow. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 Jun 2011, at 18:50, Kimberly wrote: This is truly an incredibly helpful post. I've had my Mac for several months but haven't made the switch from Jaws and the pc because I find the command structure and especially web navigation totally not intuitive. But these two suggestions have made me want to give it another try. Kim -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Shannon Dyer Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 1:16 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: transition from pc to mac This was a marvelously helpful message. I read nothing about either of these features in the voiceover quickstart, and no one has suggested them. Thank you so, so much for making me aware of them. I think this will make the Mac and I better friends in a much more timely manner. (Smile) Shannon Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me each Thursday from noon until three for the Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women In Music. Point your media player to: http://mojoradio.us/listen or www.mintfm.net On Jun 8, 2011, at 10:11 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > Joanne, > > for me the podcasts etc do help, but by far the biggest thing that very few people seem to throw up as the most obviously easy way into Mac usage is to use QuickNav. > > let me explain, there are a number of ways to use a Mac, unlike with a PC, where you can really only use the qwerty keyboard. > > A Mac has different commanders as they are referred to, these are ways of inputting commands or actions to Voice Over to make a desired thing happen, be it navigation or more. > > you can use your keyboard, with the Voice Over keys, control and options, with a range of additional keys to activate various commands. You can use the number pad if your keyboard has one to also do the same, if you have a track pad you can use that to gesture like you can on an iPHone, iPod Touch or iPad. > > but the big one for me that is often overlooked is Quick Nav, quick nav uses the four arrow keys to enable you to quickly navigate around everything from finder Windows, to apps, to text edit areas to the internet etc. > > firstly you need to know that in certain cases you have to turn quick nav off and indeed back on again. you enable / disable quick nav using the left and right arrow keys pressed once at the same time. quite literally left and right arrow keys press once together. > > you'll hear Voice Over say, Quick Nav on or off. > > once its on, you can use individual presses of the right / left arrow to move the Voice Over cursor from item to item on the screen... > > inserted little note here, you need to also understand that whilst PC's screen readers use up and down arrows to move you about, the Mac uses left / right, and thinking about this, it does make sense, as this is how sighted folk read. > > so the left / right keys will move item by item, be it a chunk of text on the internet, or icons on a desktop etc. > > the up / down arrow keys again individually pressed will cycle through the elements of the item that you are interacting with based on the rotor setting, the rotor is a dial or rotory styled switch which adjusts the method of moving through elements in a given thing. > > let me explain, a web-site is made up of headings, links, visited links, fields, form fields, tables etc. so when you're in Safari the rotor may have, and you can customise this, headings, tables, links, words and characters within the rotor. if you want to quickly move between the he
RE: getting to an attached network drive?
Yes, this method works assuming that you have each new finder window automatically opening "[user's] [mac model]" directory, in which all hardware items, disk drives, and networks are visible. I believe the default window for new Finder windows is the User's Home folder, although I changed this a while back and thus don't recall. Anyway, the network folder can be found under the previously-mentioned directory, for example: "John Smith's MacBook Pro". You will find your local hard drive, its partitions (if anyway), removable storage, and a folder called network. In this folder, you will find all available network resources, such as drives, shared folders, etc. Robert Hooper hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu The Ohio State University 553 Morrill Tower 1900 Cannon Drive Columbus, Ohio 43210 (740) 856-8195 -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Harrington Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 9:02 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: getting to an attached network drive? Hi. If you open a new finder window by pressing command N, you should see an item in it called network. HTH, Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: transition from pc to mac
hello, firstly you need to remember that MAc's have only in the last few years got the right mouse click, so most things can be achieved without that alt key press. using most MAc's to the left of the space bar there are four keys. FN, control, options and command. the control options keys are referred to as the Voice Over keys in voice over manuals and documentation. the FN key by default makes the function keys at the top of your keyboard do their function, such as F1 etc, where as if you do not hold down the FN key before pressing the F1 key, your screen will dim in brightness. you can change this behaviour in keyboard in system preferences. the easiest way of copying / pasting is to use command c and command v, to copy and paste. note I've never managed to get cut to work in a Finder window, and I'd be interested to hear any more experienced Mac users views on how on earth to get the cut feature to work. the copy and paste though works fine like this, you just have to go back and delete the item once the copy is done. you can also right click which is no doubt a key command with Voice Over, but I do not know this one, and I simply locate the item with Voice Over, then press control, options, command F5, no need to use the FN key for this one, which moves the physical mouse pointer on the screen to the item that Voice Over is on. now you can hold down the control key on your keyboard and gently, being careful not to move your physical mouse, press the mouse button, this will result in a right mouse button press. hope this helps. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 Jun 2011, at 19:25, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: Okay, I have a few questions that I haven't seen in the last few months. How do you put things on your desc top? And how do you move a folder from one place to the next? Like what command is like the applications key in windows, or alt key, these keys gave us the options to copy move or send things to certain areas. Lastly, what's the tricks to creating a signature in apple mail? Thanks from a new user. On Jun 8, 2011, at 12:50 PM, Kimberly wrote: > This is truly an incredibly helpful post. > > I've had my Mac for several months but haven't made the switch from Jaws and > the pc because I find the command structure and especially web navigation > totally not intuitive. But these two suggestions have made me want to give > it another try. > > Kim > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Shannon Dyer > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 1:16 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: transition from pc to mac > > > This was a marvelously helpful message. I read nothing about either of these > features in the voiceover quickstart, and no one has suggested them. Thank > you so, so much for making me aware of them. I think this will make the Mac > and I better friends in a much more timely manner. (Smile) > > Shannon > Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me each Thursday from noon until > three for the Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women In Music. Point > your media player to: > http://mojoradio.us/listen > or > www.mintfm.net > > On Jun 8, 2011, at 10:11 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > >> Joanne, >> >> for me the podcasts etc do help, but by far the biggest thing that very > few people seem to throw up as the most obviously easy way into Mac usage is > to use QuickNav. >> >> let me explain, there are a number of ways to use a Mac, unlike with a PC, > where you can really only use the qwerty keyboard. >> >> A Mac has different commanders as they are referred to, these are ways of > inputting commands or actions to Voice Over to make a desired thing happen, > be it navigation or more. >> >> you can use your keyboard, with the Voice Over keys, control and options, > with a range of additional keys to activate various commands. You can use > the number pad if your keyboard has one to also do the same, if you have a > track pad you can use that to gesture like you can on an iPHone, iPod Touch > or iPad. >> >> but the big one for me that is often overlooked is Quick Nav, quick nav > uses the four arrow keys to enable you to quickly navigate around everything > from finder Windows, to apps, to text edit areas to the internet etc. >> >> firstly you need to know that in certain cases you have to turn quick nav > off and indeed back on again. you enable / disable quick nav using the left > and right arrow keys pressed once at the same time. quite literally left and > right arrow keys press once together. >> >> you'll hear Voice Over say, Quick Nav on or off. >> >> once its on, you can
Re: transition from pc to mac
I fought the signature battle yesterday. Finally, I won. So, open mail. Then, go to the menu bar and find preferences. You'll see a series of buttons, one of which is labeled signatures. Enable that one. Here's where it got tricky for me. You'll see a table. You have to control option shift down-arrow to interact with it. When I did this, I saw something that said GMail, and, since that's what I use, I left the table alone, now that it was highlighted. Then, I tabbed over to a box that said signature 1. At first, I thought that was where the signature went, but no. That seems to just be the name of the signature. I tabbed again, and was in an edit box. I wrote the signature. The next part, I couldn't get voiceover to do, so a friend clicked on the plus sign for me. Apparently, this says that this is the signature I wanted to use. Then, I checked the box that said "include signature above quoted text". After that, I was done. Hopefully, this helps a bit. Shannon Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me each Thursday from noon until three for the Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women In Music. Point your media player to: http://mojoradio.us/listen or www.mintfm.net On Jun 8, 2011, at 2:25 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > Okay, I have a few questions that I haven't seen in the last few months. How > do you put things on your desc top? And how do you move a folder from one > place to the next? Like what command is like the applications key in > windows, or alt key, these keys gave us the options to copy move or send > things to certain areas. Lastly, what's the tricks to creating a signature > in apple mail? Thanks from a new user. On Jun 8, 2011, at 12:50 PM, Kimberly > wrote: > >> This is truly an incredibly helpful post. >> >> I've had my Mac for several months but haven't made the switch from Jaws and >> the pc because I find the command structure and especially web navigation >> totally not intuitive. But these two suggestions have made me want to give >> it another try. >> >> Kim >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Shannon Dyer >> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 1:16 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: transition from pc to mac >> >> >> This was a marvelously helpful message. I read nothing about either of these >> features in the voiceover quickstart, and no one has suggested them. Thank >> you so, so much for making me aware of them. I think this will make the Mac >> and I better friends in a much more timely manner. (Smile) >> >> Shannon >> Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me each Thursday from noon until >> three for the Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women In Music. Point >> your media player to: >> http://mojoradio.us/listen >> or >> www.mintfm.net >> >> On Jun 8, 2011, at 10:11 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: >> >>> Joanne, >>> >>> for me the podcasts etc do help, but by far the biggest thing that very >> few people seem to throw up as the most obviously easy way into Mac usage is >> to use QuickNav. >>> >>> let me explain, there are a number of ways to use a Mac, unlike with a PC, >> where you can really only use the qwerty keyboard. >>> >>> A Mac has different commanders as they are referred to, these are ways of >> inputting commands or actions to Voice Over to make a desired thing happen, >> be it navigation or more. >>> >>> you can use your keyboard, with the Voice Over keys, control and options, >> with a range of additional keys to activate various commands. You can use >> the number pad if your keyboard has one to also do the same, if you have a >> track pad you can use that to gesture like you can on an iPHone, iPod Touch >> or iPad. >>> >>> but the big one for me that is often overlooked is Quick Nav, quick nav >> uses the four arrow keys to enable you to quickly navigate around everything >> from finder Windows, to apps, to text edit areas to the internet etc. >>> >>> firstly you need to know that in certain cases you have to turn quick nav >> off and indeed back on again. you enable / disable quick nav using the left >> and right arrow keys pressed once at the same time. quite literally left and >> right arrow keys press once together. >>> >>> you'll hear Voice Over say, Quick Nav on or off. >>> >>> once its on, you can use individual presses of the right / left arrow to >> move the Voice Over cursor from item to item on the screen... >>> >>> inserted little note here, you need to also understand that whilst PC's >> screen readers use up and down arrows to move you about, the Mac uses left / >> right, and thinking about this, it does make sense, as this is how sighted >> folk read. >>> >>> so the left / right keys will move item by item, be it a chunk of text on >> the internet, or icons on a desktop etc. >>> >>> the up / down arrow keys again individually pressed will cycle through the >> elemen
Re: transition from pc to mac
you can add a signature in Mail by launching Mail, then progressing to the preferences, which you press command comma to bring up. now provided quick nav is enabled, left arrow key to the tool bar, interact with the tool bar, which is down and right arrows at the same time, now right arrow through the tool bar items until you find signature, stop interacting by pressing left arrow and down arrow at the same time. now right arrow to the signatures area. you can have individual sigs per account etc, or multiple sigs per account, customise until your hearts content. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 Jun 2011, at 19:25, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: Okay, I have a few questions that I haven't seen in the last few months. How do you put things on your desc top? And how do you move a folder from one place to the next? Like what command is like the applications key in windows, or alt key, these keys gave us the options to copy move or send things to certain areas. Lastly, what's the tricks to creating a signature in apple mail? Thanks from a new user. On Jun 8, 2011, at 12:50 PM, Kimberly wrote: > This is truly an incredibly helpful post. > > I've had my Mac for several months but haven't made the switch from Jaws and > the pc because I find the command structure and especially web navigation > totally not intuitive. But these two suggestions have made me want to give > it another try. > > Kim > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Shannon Dyer > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 1:16 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: transition from pc to mac > > > This was a marvelously helpful message. I read nothing about either of these > features in the voiceover quickstart, and no one has suggested them. Thank > you so, so much for making me aware of them. I think this will make the Mac > and I better friends in a much more timely manner. (Smile) > > Shannon > Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me each Thursday from noon until > three for the Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women In Music. Point > your media player to: > http://mojoradio.us/listen > or > www.mintfm.net > > On Jun 8, 2011, at 10:11 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > >> Joanne, >> >> for me the podcasts etc do help, but by far the biggest thing that very > few people seem to throw up as the most obviously easy way into Mac usage is > to use QuickNav. >> >> let me explain, there are a number of ways to use a Mac, unlike with a PC, > where you can really only use the qwerty keyboard. >> >> A Mac has different commanders as they are referred to, these are ways of > inputting commands or actions to Voice Over to make a desired thing happen, > be it navigation or more. >> >> you can use your keyboard, with the Voice Over keys, control and options, > with a range of additional keys to activate various commands. You can use > the number pad if your keyboard has one to also do the same, if you have a > track pad you can use that to gesture like you can on an iPHone, iPod Touch > or iPad. >> >> but the big one for me that is often overlooked is Quick Nav, quick nav > uses the four arrow keys to enable you to quickly navigate around everything > from finder Windows, to apps, to text edit areas to the internet etc. >> >> firstly you need to know that in certain cases you have to turn quick nav > off and indeed back on again. you enable / disable quick nav using the left > and right arrow keys pressed once at the same time. quite literally left and > right arrow keys press once together. >> >> you'll hear Voice Over say, Quick Nav on or off. >> >> once its on, you can use individual presses of the right / left arrow to > move the Voice Over cursor from item to item on the screen... >> >> inserted little note here, you need to also understand that whilst PC's > screen readers use up and down arrows to move you about, the Mac uses left / > right, and thinking about this, it does make sense, as this is how sighted > folk read. >> >> so the left / right keys will move item by item, be it a chunk of text on > the internet, or icons on a desktop etc. >> >> the up / down arrow keys again individually pressed will cycle through the > elements of the item that you are interacting with based on the rotor > setting, the rotor is a dial or rotory styled switch which adjusts the > method of moving through elements in a given thing. >> >> let me explain, a web-site is made up of headings, links, visited links, > fields, form fields, tables etc. so when you're in Safari the rotor may > have, and you can customise this, headings, tables, links, words and > characters
Re: transition from pc to mac
interacting is another Voice Over qwerk, it initially irritated the hell out of me, but now it saves me time, a lot of time, and makes things easier to understand. two ways of interacting, the documented way, control, options, shift, down arrow, and the reverse to stop interacting, control, options, shift, up arrow. or if you're using quicknav, simply using one hand, which is the supreme benefit of quicknav, press the right and down arrow together to interact, and left and down to stop. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 Jun 2011, at 20:18, Shannon Dyer wrote: I fought the signature battle yesterday. Finally, I won. So, open mail. Then, go to the menu bar and find preferences. You'll see a series of buttons, one of which is labeled signatures. Enable that one. Here's where it got tricky for me. You'll see a table. You have to control option shift down-arrow to interact with it. When I did this, I saw something that said GMail, and, since that's what I use, I left the table alone, now that it was highlighted. Then, I tabbed over to a box that said signature 1. At first, I thought that was where the signature went, but no. That seems to just be the name of the signature. I tabbed again, and was in an edit box. I wrote the signature. The next part, I couldn't get voiceover to do, so a friend clicked on the plus sign for me. Apparently, this says that this is the signature I wanted to use. Then, I checked the box that said "include signature above quoted text". After that, I was done. Hopefully, this helps a bit. Shannon Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me each Thursday from noon until three for the Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women In Music. Point your media player to: http://mojoradio.us/listen or www.mintfm.net On Jun 8, 2011, at 2:25 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > Okay, I have a few questions that I haven't seen in the last few months. How > do you put things on your desc top? And how do you move a folder from one > place to the next? Like what command is like the applications key in > windows, or alt key, these keys gave us the options to copy move or send > things to certain areas. Lastly, what's the tricks to creating a signature > in apple mail? Thanks from a new user. On Jun 8, 2011, at 12:50 PM, Kimberly > wrote: > >> This is truly an incredibly helpful post. >> >> I've had my Mac for several months but haven't made the switch from Jaws and >> the pc because I find the command structure and especially web navigation >> totally not intuitive. But these two suggestions have made me want to give >> it another try. >> >> Kim >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Shannon Dyer >> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 1:16 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: transition from pc to mac >> >> >> This was a marvelously helpful message. I read nothing about either of these >> features in the voiceover quickstart, and no one has suggested them. Thank >> you so, so much for making me aware of them. I think this will make the Mac >> and I better friends in a much more timely manner. (Smile) >> >> Shannon >> Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me each Thursday from noon until >> three for the Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women In Music. Point >> your media player to: >> http://mojoradio.us/listen >> or >> www.mintfm.net >> >> On Jun 8, 2011, at 10:11 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: >> >>> Joanne, >>> >>> for me the podcasts etc do help, but by far the biggest thing that very >> few people seem to throw up as the most obviously easy way into Mac usage is >> to use QuickNav. >>> >>> let me explain, there are a number of ways to use a Mac, unlike with a PC, >> where you can really only use the qwerty keyboard. >>> >>> A Mac has different commanders as they are referred to, these are ways of >> inputting commands or actions to Voice Over to make a desired thing happen, >> be it navigation or more. >>> >>> you can use your keyboard, with the Voice Over keys, control and options, >> with a range of additional keys to activate various commands. You can use >> the number pad if your keyboard has one to also do the same, if you have a >> track pad you can use that to gesture like you can on an iPHone, iPod Touch >> or iPad. >>> >>> but the big one for me that is often overlooked is Quick Nav, quick nav >> uses the four arrow keys to enable you to quickly navigate around everything >> from finder Windows, to apps, to text edit areas to the internet etc. >>> >>> firstly you need to know that in certain cases you have to turn quick nav >> off and indeed back on again.
editing?
So, like I said before, I send email to multiple resipients. And sometimes I need to get rid of previous senders and headers. So how would I select to the end and beginning of a document or email? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Mac will not stop trying to connect to server
I seem to have done a bad thing. I tried to connect to the network in our house, but I typed it in wrong. Now, finder is trying and trying to connect to the server. I try to cancel, close, quit, and anything else I can think of, but none of it works. It just keeps telling me that it's busy, and keeps trying to connect. How can I make it stop? Shannon Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me each Thursday from noon until three for the Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women In Music. Point your media player to: http://mojoradio.us/listen or www.mintfm.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: editing?
command-shift-up and command-shift-down Teresa On Jun 8, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > So, like I said before, I send email to multiple resipients. And sometimes I > need to get rid of previous senders and headers. So how would I select to > the end and beginning of a document or email? Thanks. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
clidking links in email and connecting blu tooths?
So, I get daily emails with links in them. I've tried vo space bar, and that doesn't click the link. How do I do this? Also, I tried connecting my blu tooth headset to my Imac, and it won't find it. Is there a certain kind I need, or is there a limit on the number of devices allowed at a time? Just trying to not have to use wired headphones. Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: editing?
Hi, To move from your current position in a mail message or document to the beginning of the document, use Command+Up Arrow. To move to the end of the message or document, use Command+Down Arrow. If you want to select from your current position to the beginning or end of the document, just add a press of the Shift key to turn these movement shortcuts into selection shortcuts: Command+Up Arrow moves to the beginning a document Shift+Command+Up Arrow selects to the beginning of a document Command+Down Arrow moves to the end of a document Shift+Command+Down Arrow selects to the end of a document To select all, use Command+A These keyboard shortcuts are just a few of the ways you can move and select in messages and documents on the Mac, and you can read more in the archived list post on "Moving and Selecting in Cocoa Apps": http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg02038.html By the way, quite a lot of that post also applies to using mail an text on your iPhone with an Apple Wireless Keyboard, although you don't have all those shortcuts available to you. You can also bring up a new mail window which contains your selected text by using the "Services" menu option: In whatever app you're in (e.g., TextEdit or Mail), navigate to the Application menu bar (with either VO-M or Control+F2), right Arrow (or flick right if using Trackpad Commander) to the Application menu, then arrow down to the options menu. You can either move down to "Services" or just press "s" to go there once you are in the menu. Right arrow to the Services submenu, and then again either arrow down to "New Email with Selection" or just press "n" to go there. I press the "Return" key to choose this option, which will create a new email window with your selected text in the message body. If you use this Services Menu option a lot, you can assign it a custom keyboard shortcut. It's also possible to navigate the menus with TrackPad Commander gestures, where you run your finger down the menus and double tap the Trackpad to select options, and it's also possible to navigate these menus with QuickNav and the arrow keys. Just make sure that you have text selected before you access the "Services" menu, or you won't see options. Those options operate on selected text and/or images, so they won't appear if nothing has been selected. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Jun 8, 2011, at 09:35, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > So, like I said before, I send email to multiple resipients. And sometimes I > need to get rid of previous senders and headers. So how would I select to > the end and beginning of a document or email? Thanks. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: editing?
To select from the insertion point to the beginning of the document, is control+shift+home and to the end is control+shift+end. If you don't have home and end keys, try doing fn+shift+left arrow, and fn+shift+right arrow. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Kliph&Sharrie" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 3:35 PM Subject: editing? So, like I said before, I send email to multiple resipients. And sometimes I need to get rid of previous senders and headers. So how would I select to the end and beginning of a document or email? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: editing?
OK, Teresa's correct, don't even listen to my previous post response. I do this so regularly I don't even think about it. frankly, I don't know what I was thinking a second ago. Teresa's exactly right. Shows what I know. LOL! Here's for a senior moment! Chris. - Original Message - From: "Teresa Cochran" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 4:19 PM Subject: Re: editing? command-shift-up and command-shift-down Teresa On Jun 8, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: So, like I said before, I send email to multiple resipients. And sometimes I need to get rid of previous senders and headers. So how would I select to the end and beginning of a document or email? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
last jquestions for now
Okay, what is I Chat? And what is another command for opening the applications folder, when I vo space bar on it, it doesn't open. finally, will the address-book except an import of a csv file from Microsoft outlook, or do I have to find another way to import? Heres another one, when I plug in my iphone, will it take all the contacts i have there and put them in my addressbook automatically? Thanks, that's all for today, I'm going to play a little more and see what I can figure out -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: [Bulk] Re: editing?
Well, actually, Chris, you are not as far off the mark as you think. FN+shift+left and FN+shift+right do in fact select to beginning and to end respectively. So, of course, do command+shift+up to slect to begining and command+shift+down to select to end. Both work equally well. That business about the control key...we won't go there. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Jun 8, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > OK, Teresa's correct, don't even listen to my previous post response. I do > this so regularly I don't even think about it. frankly, I don't know what I > was thinking a second ago. Teresa's exactly right. Shows what I know. LOL! > Here's for a senior moment! > > Chris. > > - Original Message - From: "Teresa Cochran" > > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 4:19 PM > Subject: Re: editing? > > >> command-shift-up and command-shift-down >> >> Teresa >> On Jun 8, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: >> >>> So, like I said before, I send email to multiple resipients. And sometimes >>> I need to get rid of previous senders and headers. So how would I select >>> to the end and beginning of a document or email? Thanks. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: [Bulk] Re: editing?
Hi there! You can also use command+return/enter this is useful for picking text from within a lot of text! Just go to the first word you wish to copy and press that command then scroll down to the last word of the text [there should be a sound] then press that command again! All the text between will be selected for you to copy or delete! hth Colin On 8 Jun 2011, at 21:56, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > Well, actually, Chris, you are not as far off the mark as you think. > FN+shift+left and FN+shift+right do in fact select to beginning and to end > respectively. So, of course, do command+shift+up to select to beginning and > command+shift+down to select to end. Both work equally well. > > That business about the control key...we won't go there. > > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! > > Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! > > Skype name: > barefootedray > > Facebook: > facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 > > > > On Jun 8, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > >> OK, Teresa's correct, don't even listen to my previous post response. I do >> this so regularly I don't even think about it. frankly, I don't know what I >> was thinking a second ago. Teresa's exactly right. Shows what I know. LOL! >> Here's for a senior moment! >> >> Chris. >> >> - Original Message - From: "Teresa Cochran" >> >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 4:19 PM >> Subject: Re: editing? >> >> >>> command-shift-up and command-shift-down >>> >>> Teresa >>> On Jun 8, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: >>> So, like I said before, I send email to multiple recipients. And sometimes I need to get rid of previous senders and headers. So how would I select to the end and beginning of a document or email? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: [Bulk] Re: editing?
Hi Ray, I wasn't going to comment on the answer Chris gave, but as far as using the Control key instead of the Command key in movement combinations, Apple started supporting that for text navigation in iOS documents with Bluetooth keyboards. I suppose that was because some Bluetooth keyboards have Control keys, but no Command keys (or Windows keys). So if you are using selecting text on an iPhone with a Bluetooth keyboard, Control+Shift+Up arrow will work as well as Command+Shift+Up arrow to select all text from your current position to the beginning of the document. And Control+Shift+Down Arrow will work as well as Command+Shift+Down Arrow to select to the end. This actually changed in different iOS 4 releases with Bluetooth keyboard support. And at one point Control+Shift+Up arrow would make the selection, but VoiceOver wouldn't announce it. Most of the keyboard shortcuts with Option key combinations that work on the Mac also work on the iOS devices, but a few of the combinations still don't get announced. And at the very beginning, some of the familiar combinations, like Option+Shift+K for the "Apple" icon didn't even work. This is the reason that I haven't posted an official list of the Option command keyboard shortcuts for the iPhone -- some of them are still changing. The most recent set got posted to the mac-access list, with lots of annotations about which combinations worked, but VoiceOver didn't announce (mostly math symbols), and which few worked only for OS X and not iOS devices. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Jun 8, 2011, at 10:56, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > Well, actually, Chris, you are not as far off the mark as you think. > FN+shift+left and FN+shift+right do in fact select to beginning and to end > respectively. So, of course, do command+shift+up to slect to begining and > command+shift+down to select to end. Both work equally well. > > That business about the control key...we won't go there. > > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! > > Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! > > Skype name: > barefootedray > > Facebook: > facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 > > > > On Jun 8, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > >> OK, Teresa's correct, don't even listen to my previous post response. I do >> this so regularly I don't even think about it. frankly, I don't know what I >> was thinking a second ago. Teresa's exactly right. Shows what I know. LOL! >> Here's for a senior moment! >> >> Chris. >> >> - Original Message - From: "Teresa Cochran" >> >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 4:19 PM >> Subject: Re: editing? >> >> >>> command-shift-up and command-shift-down >>> >>> Teresa >>> On Jun 8, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: >>> So, like I said before, I send email to multiple resipients. And sometimes I need to get rid of previous senders and headers. So how would I select to the end and beginning of a document or email? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: clidking links in email and connecting blu tooths?
Hi There! Sorry I cannot answer the bluetooth question! As for the links! Make sure your cursor is on the first part of the link! If the link is [say] the 5th item on a line right arrow until your on the beginning of the link! Then you can open vo+shift+m and you'll have different options to open the link! Like open link behind email window! And vo+space should work and as Niel reminded me using quick nav the up and down arrows together should do this as well! hth Colin On 8 Jun 2011, at 21:21, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > So, I get daily emails with links in them. I've tried vo space bar, and that > doesn't click the link. How do I do this? Also, I tried connecting my blu > tooth headset to my Imac, and it won't find it. Is there a certain kind I > need, or is there a limit on the number of devices allowed at a time? Just > trying to not have to use wired headphones. Thanks. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: clidking links in email and connecting blu tooths?
Hi, My guess is that Kliph's Bluetooth headset is still paired to his iPhone or other device. Depending on the model, even if his iPhone Bluetooth is not turned on and in the vicinity, he still may not be able to freely pair it with his Mac computer while that setting is in effect. But I don't know what the situation is. In the spirit of Neil's discussion about using Trackpad Commander, if you have navigated to a link in a mail message with gestures and using Trackpad Commander, you can double tap the link to open it, just as on an iPhone, where pressing the Up and Down Arrow keys together on a Bluetooth keyboard (with QuickNav turned on) will also activate a link. Cheers, Esther On Jun 8, 2011, at 11:16, Colin M wrote: > Hi There! > Sorry I cannot answer the bluetooth question! > As for the links! > Make sure your cursor is on the first part of the link! > If the link is [say] the 5th item on a line right arrow until your on the > beginning of the link! > Then you can open vo+shift+m and you'll have different options to open the > link! > Like open link behind email window! > And vo+space should work and as Niel reminded me using quick nav the up and > down arrows together should do this as well! > hth Colin > On 8 Jun 2011, at 21:21, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > >> So, I get daily emails with links in them. I've tried vo space bar, and >> that doesn't click the link. How do I do this? Also, I tried connecting my >> blu tooth headset to my Imac, and it won't find it. Is there a certain kind >> I need, or is there a limit on the number of devices allowed at a time? >> Just trying to not have to use wired headphones. Thanks. >> >> - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: last jquestions for now
Hi, I can answer a couple of your questions. There is a Mac shortcut to open the applications folder, which is cmd-shift-a from either the desktop or a Finder window. Similarly, cmd-shift-h will open the home folder and cmd-shift-o opens Documents. iChat is Apple's built-in instant messaging program. It includes support for AIM, Google Talk, Jabber, and as of Lion Yahoo Instant Messenger. Most people on this list seem to prefer Adium, which supports more protocols and is able to work with Growl to speak incoming messages. Sorry I can't help with any of your other questions. Best, Zack. On Jun 8, 2011, at 1:53 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > Okay, what is I Chat? And what is another command for opening the > applications folder, when I vo space bar on it, it doesn't open. finally, > will the address-book except an import of a csv file from Microsoft outlook, > or do I have to find another way to import? Heres another one, when I plug > in my iphone, will it take all the contacts i have there and put them in my > addressbook automatically? Thanks, that's all for today, I'm going to play a > little more and see what I can figure out > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: [Bulk] Re: editing?
what is the address to the mac access list? I could use all the pointers and help I can get! Thanks. Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone On Jun 8, 2011, at 4:12 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Ray, > > I wasn't going to comment on the answer Chris gave, but as far as using the > Control key instead of the Command key in movement combinations, Apple > started supporting that for text navigation in iOS documents with Bluetooth > keyboards. I suppose that was because some Bluetooth keyboards have Control > keys, but no Command keys (or Windows keys). So if you are using selecting > text on an iPhone with a Bluetooth keyboard, Control+Shift+Up arrow will work > as well as Command+Shift+Up arrow to select all text from your current > position to the beginning of the document. And Control+Shift+Down Arrow will > work as well as Command+Shift+Down Arrow to select to the end. This actually > changed in different iOS 4 releases with Bluetooth keyboard support. And at > one point Control+Shift+Up arrow would make the selection, but VoiceOver > wouldn't announce it. > > Most of the keyboard shortcuts with Option key combinations that work on the > Mac also work on the iOS devices, but a few of the combinations still don't > get announced. And at the very beginning, some of the familiar combinations, > like Option+Shift+K for the "Apple" icon didn't even work. This is the > reason that I haven't posted an official list of the Option command keyboard > shortcuts for the iPhone -- some of them are still changing. The most > recent set got posted to the mac-access list, with lots of annotations about > which combinations worked, but VoiceOver didn't announce (mostly math > symbols), and which few worked only for OS X and not iOS devices. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On Jun 8, 2011, at 10:56, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > >> Well, actually, Chris, you are not as far off the mark as you think. >> FN+shift+left and FN+shift+right do in fact select to beginning and to end >> respectively. So, of course, do command+shift+up to slect to begining and >> command+shift+down to select to end. Both work equally well. >> >> That business about the control key...we won't go there. >> >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! >> >> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! >> >> Skype name: >> barefootedray >> >> Facebook: >> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 >> >> >> >> On Jun 8, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >> >>> OK, Teresa's correct, don't even listen to my previous post response. I do >>> this so regularly I don't even think about it. frankly, I don't know what >>> I was thinking a second ago. Teresa's exactly right. Shows what I know. >>> LOL! Here's for a senior moment! >>> >>> Chris. >>> >>> - Original Message - From: "Teresa Cochran" >>> >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 4:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: editing? >>> >>> command-shift-up and command-shift-down Teresa On Jun 8, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > So, like I said before, I send email to multiple resipients. And > sometimes I need to get rid of previous senders and headers. So how > would I select to the end and beginning of a document or email? Thanks. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: transition from pc to mac
Hi Neil, You can also interact with the Trackpad Commander, if you have it enabled, by using a two finger swipe to the right, and you can stop interacting by using a two finger swipe to the left. I think you'll find this more convenient to use if you're navigating your home iTunes library and have just flicked right or left to the "sources" list or the "songs" list, and want to interact. Desktop Mac users (or anyone using a full-size keyboard) who have Numpad Commander activated, and are using the default definitions, can press the "9" key of the numeric keypad to start interacting and the "7" key of the keypad to stop interacting. I know that Geoff also said that he found using Trackpad Commander a lot more intuitive way to navigate when he made the transition to the Mac, especially coming from the iPhone background. There are some posts that I've written near the beginning of the year where I actually outline how to navigate both ways: with Trackpad Commander and with keyboard shortcuts. The reason that most list post answers tell people how to navigate with the standard VoiceOver keyboard shortcuts if a specific context is not requested is that these answers work for everybody. Trackpad Commander only works for people who are both running Snow Leopard and have late enough model laptops that support it, or else have bought a Magic TrackPad (if they are Desktop Mac users or have earlier model Mac laptops). Even with older Mac laptops and a Magic TrackPad, the use and gestures are not as intuitive as when you have a new model laptop that innately supports it. We have some people on list who get started with older Macs, and who also may not be running Snow Leopard, so we try to make the replies useful for them, too. I used to try to remember to state what worked for Leopard only for Tiger users, and what had changed for Snow Leopard for Leopard users. This is like trying to mention what combinations are specific to English language input keyboards. Another useful VoiceOver command is VO-Shift-C, which copies the last phrase to the clipboard, and lets you paste it in with Command+V. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Jun 8, 2011, at 09:26, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > interacting is another Voice Over qwerk, it initially irritated the hell out > of me, but now it saves me time, a lot of time, and makes things easier to > understand. > > two ways of interacting, the documented way, control, options, shift, down > arrow, and the reverse to stop interacting, control, options, shift, up arrow. > > or if you're using quicknav, simply using one hand, which is the supreme > benefit of quicknav, press the right and down arrow together to interact, and > left and down to stop. > > > Regards, > > Neil Barnfather > > Talks List Administrator > Twitter @neilbarnfather > > TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your > accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com > > URL: - www.talknav.com > e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com > Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 > > > > On 8 Jun 2011, at 20:18, Shannon Dyer wrote: > > I fought the signature battle yesterday. Finally, I won. > > So, open mail. Then, go to the menu bar and find preferences. You'll see a > series of buttons, one of which is labeled signatures. Enable that one. > > Here's where it got tricky for me. You'll see a table. You have to control > option shift down-arrow to interact with it. When I did this, I saw something > that said GMail, and, since that's what I use, I left the table alone, now > that it was highlighted. Then, I tabbed over to a box that said signature 1. > At first, I thought that was where the signature went, but no. That seems to > just be the name of the signature. I tabbed again, and was in an edit box. I > wrote the signature. The next part, I couldn't get voiceover to do, so a > friend clicked on the plus sign for me. Apparently, this says that this is > the signature I wanted to use. Then, I checked the box that said "include > signature above quoted text". After that, I was done. > > Hopefully, this helps a bit. > > Shannon > Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me each Thursday from noon until > three for the Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women In Music. Point > your media player to: > http://mojoradio.us/listen > or > www.mintfm.net > > On Jun 8, 2011, at 2:25 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > >> Okay, I have a few questions that I haven't seen in the last few months. >> How do you put things on your desc top? And how do you move a folder from >> one place to the next? Like what command is like the applications key in >> windows, or alt key, these keys gave us the options to copy move or send >> things to certain areas. Lastly, what's the tricks to creating a signature >> in apple mail? Thanks from a new user. On Jun 8, 2011, at 12:50 PM, >> Kimberly wrote: >> >>> This is truly an incredibly helpful post. >>>
Opening folders and Apps on the IPhone with the bluetooth keyboard
Hello everyone. Does anyone know how to open applications or folders on IPhones with a Bluetooth keyboard? Is there a VO help key for Bluetooth keyboards on IPhones? Thanks so much. On Jun 8, 2011, at 4:47 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > what is the address to the mac access list? I could use all the pointers and > help I can get! Thanks. > > Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone > > On Jun 8, 2011, at 4:12 PM, Esther wrote: > >> Hi Ray, >> >> I wasn't going to comment on the answer Chris gave, but as far as using the >> Control key instead of the Command key in movement combinations, Apple >> started supporting that for text navigation in iOS documents with Bluetooth >> keyboards. I suppose that was because some Bluetooth keyboards have Control >> keys, but no Command keys (or Windows keys). So if you are using selecting >> text on an iPhone with a Bluetooth keyboard, Control+Shift+Up arrow will >> work as well as Command+Shift+Up arrow to select all text from your current >> position to the beginning of the document. And Control+Shift+Down Arrow >> will work as well as Command+Shift+Down Arrow to select to the end. This >> actually changed in different iOS 4 releases with Bluetooth keyboard >> support. And at one point Control+Shift+Up arrow would make the selection, >> but VoiceOver wouldn't announce it. >> >> Most of the keyboard shortcuts with Option key combinations that work on the >> Mac also work on the iOS devices, but a few of the combinations still don't >> get announced. And at the very beginning, some of the familiar >> combinations, like Option+Shift+K for the "Apple" icon didn't even work. >> This is the reason that I haven't posted an official list of the Option >> command keyboard shortcuts for the iPhone -- some of them are still >> changing. The most recent set got posted to the mac-access list, with lots >> of annotations about which combinations worked, but VoiceOver didn't >> announce (mostly math symbols), and which few worked only for OS X and not >> iOS devices. >> >> HTH. Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >> On Jun 8, 2011, at 10:56, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >> >>> Well, actually, Chris, you are not as far off the mark as you think. >>> FN+shift+left and FN+shift+right do in fact select to beginning and to end >>> respectively. So, of course, do command+shift+up to slect to begining and >>> command+shift+down to select to end. Both work equally well. >>> >>> That business about the control key...we won't go there. >>> >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! >>> >>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! >>> >>> Skype name: >>> barefootedray >>> >>> Facebook: >>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jun 8, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >>> OK, Teresa's correct, don't even listen to my previous post response. I do this so regularly I don't even think about it. frankly, I don't know what I was thinking a second ago. Teresa's exactly right. Shows what I know. LOL! Here's for a senior moment! Chris. - Original Message - From: "Teresa Cochran" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 4:19 PM Subject: Re: editing? > command-shift-up and command-shift-down > > Teresa > On Jun 8, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > >> So, like I said before, I send email to multiple resipients. And >> sometimes I need to get rid of previous senders and headers. So how >> would I select to the end and beginning of a document or email? Thanks. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Clearing Up Some Confusion Re: ICloud
Hi, folks, There are some aspects of ICloud that are available in beta now, as was announced in the keynote address. One is the ITunes IBook store, which lets you purchase books on your computer and have books automatically downloaded on your IOS4.3.3 device. You can set this up in settings/store on the device, and you can choose what you want automatically downloaded: music, books, and apps. This works with ITunes 10.3 and IOS4.3.3. There are other things that won't be available till IOS5 comes out in the fall. Here's the page that spells it out: http://www.apple.com/icloud/features/ I know I did a good deal toward contributing to the confusion, and just wanted to do what I could to clear it up. :) Teresa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: EPub Reader, was: Re: new imac user needing apple mail help
Hello, I looked at iText Pro and iText , Express, and they only reads public domain and not protected EPUB material, don't know about the others. Dan On Jun 8, 2011, at 4:15 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: > There are about 5 of them in the app store for mac os. > > Best, > > Erik Burggraaf > User support consultant, > Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf, > 1-888-255-5194 > http://www.erik-burggraaf.com > > On 2011-06-07, at 6:28 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > >> Dan, >> >> You're confused on my question. I understand that about IBooks, but that >> wasn't what I asked. What I was asking was is there an e pub reader that is >> non! I O S based. In other words, one I can use just on the mac itself >> without an I O S device. >> >> Chris. >> - Original Message - From: "Dan" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 6:04 PM >> Subject: Re: EPub Reader, was: Re: new imac user needing apple mail help >> >> >> Hello, >> It's iBook and it's already on the iOS devices. >> >> Dan >> >> On Jun 7, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >> >>> I can't help but ask, I don't know how this as unrelated got down in the >>> original message headers, but reading down this mail far enough, I see >>> something about e pub books on non I O S devices. this always has been a >>> major cooleness to me. Can someone enlighten me? Do we have access to a >>> good EPub reader? If so, that's gonna be sweet! >>> >>> Chris. >>> >>> - Original Message - From: "Kliph&Sharrie" >>> >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 5:03 PM >>> Subject: new imac user needing apple mail help >>> >>> >>> Okay, I have been using outlook for the last 5 years. Could someone please >>> give me some simple tips on how to move around apple mail smoothly? I just >>> want to view the subjectlines, read and reply, nothing to fancy right now. >>> Just got my imac early this morning, and coming from windows cold turkey, >>> so please be kind. >>> >>> >>> Sent from Minister Miller' iphonvelocity.focu...@virginmedia.com> wrote: >>> Hi there! I've just had a email from Itunes talking about Ibooks in Itunes for your computer! hth Colin On 7 Jun 2011, at 19:43, Jon Cohn wrote: > Tidbits.com who also publish the take control books, talked a little > about ePub books on the Macintosh yesterday. Apparently the iTunes store > now allows purchases of books, and I believe they had two suggestions > about reading those books on your non-IOS Apple device. > > Best regards, > > Jonathan > > On Jun 6, 2011, at 9:23 PM, Howard Dupuis wrote: > >> Am I understanding correctly that we'll soon be able to read iBooks on >> the Mac? If iCloud is going to be synching all devices, then a book I >> purchase on my iPod Touch would be available on my Mac, too, no? I'm >> hoping so. >> Thanks. >> -- Howard >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries
Re: Vuescan question
Hello, Either reboot, or highlight the volume and press command E to eject the volume. When you open dmg files, they are opened in a volume and after you either install or place the application in your apps folder, you can then remove the volume. However, on another note, don't run the app from the volume that was created when you opened the dmg file, always remember to either run the installer, or copy the application to where you want it before running. HTH! Dan On Jun 8, 2011, at 11:09 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hello: > > When I installed Vuescan yesterday, it put a volume on my desktop. I would > now like to remove it, but am unable to do so. Does anyone know how I can > remove this? > TIA, > Donna > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Opening folders and Apps on the IPhone with the bluetooth keyboard
To open items, the equivalent of double tapping on them, is up arrow with down arrow, I believe. That may require quick nav to be on. Keyboard help is vo-k, and vo-b should exit it. On 6/8/11, Paul Hunt wrote: > Hello everyone. Does anyone know how to open applications or folders on > IPhones with a Bluetooth keyboard? Is there a VO help key for Bluetooth > keyboards on IPhones? > > Thanks so much. > > On Jun 8, 2011, at 4:47 PM, Kliph&Sharrie > wrote: > >> what is the address to the mac access list? I could use all the pointers >> and help I can get! Thanks. >> >> Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone >> >> On Jun 8, 2011, at 4:12 PM, Esther wrote: >> >>> Hi Ray, >>> >>> I wasn't going to comment on the answer Chris gave, but as far as using >>> the Control key instead of the Command key in movement combinations, >>> Apple started supporting that for text navigation in iOS documents with >>> Bluetooth keyboards. I suppose that was because some Bluetooth keyboards >>> have Control keys, but no Command keys (or Windows keys). So if you are >>> using selecting text on an iPhone with a Bluetooth keyboard, >>> Control+Shift+Up arrow will work as well as Command+Shift+Up arrow to >>> select all text from your current position to the beginning of the >>> document. And Control+Shift+Down Arrow will work as well as >>> Command+Shift+Down Arrow to select to the end. This actually changed in >>> different iOS 4 releases with Bluetooth keyboard support. And at one >>> point Control+Shift+Up arrow would make the selection, but VoiceOver >>> wouldn't announce it. >>> >>> Most of the keyboard shortcuts with Option key combinations that work on >>> the Mac also work on the iOS devices, but a few of the combinations still >>> don't get announced. And at the very beginning, some of the familiar >>> combinations, like Option+Shift+K for the "Apple" icon didn't even work. >>> This is the reason that I haven't posted an official list of the Option >>> command keyboard shortcuts for the iPhone -- some of them are still >>> changing. The most recent set got posted to the mac-access list, with >>> lots of annotations about which combinations worked, but VoiceOver didn't >>> announce (mostly math symbols), and which few worked only for OS X and >>> not iOS devices. >>> >>> HTH. Cheers, >>> >>> Esther >>> >>> On Jun 8, 2011, at 10:56, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >>> Well, actually, Chris, you are not as far off the mark as you think. FN+shift+left and FN+shift+right do in fact select to beginning and to end respectively. So, of course, do command+shift+up to slect to begining and command+shift+down to select to end. Both work equally well. That business about the control key...we won't go there. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Jun 8, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > OK, Teresa's correct, don't even listen to my previous post response. > I do this so regularly I don't even think about it. frankly, I don't > know what I was thinking a second ago. Teresa's exactly right. Shows > what I know. LOL! Here's for a senior moment! > > Chris. > > - Original Message - From: "Teresa Cochran" > > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 4:19 PM > Subject: Re: editing? > > >> command-shift-up and command-shift-down >> >> Teresa >> On Jun 8, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: >> >>> So, like I said before, I send email to multiple resipients. And >>> sometimes I need to get rid of previous senders and headers. So how >>> would I select to the end and beginning of a document or email? >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://gr
Re: Opening folders and Apps on the IPhone with the bluetooth keyboard
Hello, Also, VO Space opens files and when using the keyboard. Dan On Jun 8, 2011, at 3:38 PM, Alex Hall wrote: > To open items, the equivalent of double tapping on them, is up arrow > with down arrow, I believe. That may require quick nav to be on. > Keyboard help is vo-k, and vo-b should exit it. > > On 6/8/11, Paul Hunt wrote: >> Hello everyone. Does anyone know how to open applications or folders on >> IPhones with a Bluetooth keyboard? Is there a VO help key for Bluetooth >> keyboards on IPhones? >> >> Thanks so much. >> >> On Jun 8, 2011, at 4:47 PM, Kliph&Sharrie >> wrote: >> >>> what is the address to the mac access list? I could use all the pointers >>> and help I can get! Thanks. >>> >>> Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone >>> >>> On Jun 8, 2011, at 4:12 PM, Esther wrote: >>> Hi Ray, I wasn't going to comment on the answer Chris gave, but as far as using the Control key instead of the Command key in movement combinations, Apple started supporting that for text navigation in iOS documents with Bluetooth keyboards. I suppose that was because some Bluetooth keyboards have Control keys, but no Command keys (or Windows keys). So if you are using selecting text on an iPhone with a Bluetooth keyboard, Control+Shift+Up arrow will work as well as Command+Shift+Up arrow to select all text from your current position to the beginning of the document. And Control+Shift+Down Arrow will work as well as Command+Shift+Down Arrow to select to the end. This actually changed in different iOS 4 releases with Bluetooth keyboard support. And at one point Control+Shift+Up arrow would make the selection, but VoiceOver wouldn't announce it. Most of the keyboard shortcuts with Option key combinations that work on the Mac also work on the iOS devices, but a few of the combinations still don't get announced. And at the very beginning, some of the familiar combinations, like Option+Shift+K for the "Apple" icon didn't even work. This is the reason that I haven't posted an official list of the Option command keyboard shortcuts for the iPhone -- some of them are still changing. The most recent set got posted to the mac-access list, with lots of annotations about which combinations worked, but VoiceOver didn't announce (mostly math symbols), and which few worked only for OS X and not iOS devices. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Jun 8, 2011, at 10:56, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > Well, actually, Chris, you are not as far off the mark as you think. > FN+shift+left and FN+shift+right do in fact select to beginning and to > end respectively. So, of course, do command+shift+up to slect to > begining and command+shift+down to select to end. Both work equally > well. > > That business about the control key...we won't go there. > > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! > > Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! > > Skype name: > barefootedray > > Facebook: > facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 > > > > On Jun 8, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > >> OK, Teresa's correct, don't even listen to my previous post response. >> I do this so regularly I don't even think about it. frankly, I don't >> know what I was thinking a second ago. Teresa's exactly right. Shows >> what I know. LOL! Here's for a senior moment! >> >> Chris. >> >> - Original Message - From: "Teresa Cochran" >> >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 4:19 PM >> Subject: Re: editing? >> >> >>> command-shift-up and command-shift-down >>> >>> Teresa >>> On Jun 8, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: >>> So, like I said before, I send email to multiple resipients. And sometimes I need to get rid of previous senders and headers. So how would I select to the end and beginning of a document or email? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subs
Re: clidking links in email and connecting blu tooths?
I am using a plantronics voyager pro plus, and your suppose to be able to connect 2 devices to it. After reading your suggestions, I told my phone to forget the device. This still didn't work, so maybe there is a setting I'm missing. And I made sure both my phones with blue tooth capability were turned off. Don't know at this point, anyone who knows chime in please. On Jun 8, 2011, at 4:24 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi, > My guess is that Kliph's Bluetooth headset is still paired to his iPhone or > other device. Depending on the model, even if his iPhone Bluetooth is not > turned on and in the vicinity, he still may not be able to freely pair it > with his Mac computer while that setting is in effect. But I don't know what > the situation is. > > In the spirit of Neil's discussion about using Trackpad Commander, if you > have navigated to a link in a mail message with gestures and using Trackpad > Commander, you can double tap the link to open it, just as on an iPhone, > where pressing the Up and Down Arrow keys together on a Bluetooth keyboard > (with QuickNav turned on) will also activate a link. > > Cheers, > > Esther > > On Jun 8, 2011, at 11:16, Colin M wrote: > >> Hi There! >> Sorry I cannot answer the bluetooth question! >> As for the links! >> Make sure your cursor is on the first part of the link! >> If the link is [say] the 5th item on a line right arrow until your on the >> beginning of the link! >> Then you can open vo+shift+m and you'll have different options to open the >> link! >> Like open link behind email window! >> And vo+space should work and as Niel reminded me using quick nav the up and >> down arrows together should do this as well! >> hth Colin >> On 8 Jun 2011, at 21:21, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: >> >>> So, I get daily emails with links in them. I've tried vo space bar, and >>> that doesn't click the link. How do I do this? Also, I tried connecting >>> my blu tooth headset to my Imac, and it won't find it. Is there a certain >>> kind I need, or is there a limit on the number of devices allowed at a >>> time? Just trying to not have to use wired headphones. Thanks. >>> >>> - > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: transition from pc to mac
hi all, thanks alot for all the comments. its very helpful, and i welcome it all. i'll download the podcasts on blind cool tech today and go from there. and Niel your idea of quicknav is definitely what i'm going to try. i suppose i have the similar problem, i got a loan macbook pro sitting on my table and find the transmition period is rather frustrating, as i'm not exactly familiar with the voiceover concept. so far, i manage to set up my mail accounts, itunes, and yeah, thats about it really. is rather frustrating, as i can call myself a nerd, but got frustrated with learning the mac. i suppose, not so much of the mac itself, is learning the interface of the os and voiceover. i hope i can get myself train, before order my own mac. if not, i know the same thing will happen, it will sit there, and like Niel said, returning it in x days. :) so, thanks very much for all the encouragement, and please do post more. cheers Joanne On 09/06/2011, Esther wrote: > Hi Neil, > > You can also interact with the Trackpad Commander, if you have it enabled, > by using a two finger swipe to the right, and you can stop interacting by > using a two finger swipe to the left. I think you'll find this more > convenient to use if you're navigating your home iTunes library and have > just flicked right or left to the "sources" list or the "songs" list, and > want to interact. Desktop Mac users (or anyone using a full-size keyboard) > who have Numpad Commander activated, and are using the default definitions, > can press the "9" key of the numeric keypad to start interacting and the "7" > key of the keypad to stop interacting. > > I know that Geoff also said that he found using Trackpad Commander a lot > more intuitive way to navigate when he made the transition to the Mac, > especially coming from the iPhone background. There are some posts that > I've written near the beginning of the year where I actually outline how to > navigate both ways: with Trackpad Commander and with keyboard shortcuts. > The reason that most list post answers tell people how to navigate with the > standard VoiceOver keyboard shortcuts if a specific context is not requested > is that these answers work for everybody. Trackpad Commander only works for > people who are both running Snow Leopard and have late enough model laptops > that support it, or else have bought a Magic TrackPad (if they are Desktop > Mac users or have earlier model Mac laptops). Even with older Mac laptops > and a Magic TrackPad, the use and gestures are not as intuitive as when you > have a new model laptop that innately supports it. We have some people on > list who get started with older Macs, and who also may not be running Snow > Leopard, so we try to make the replies useful for them, too. I used to try > to remember to state what worked for Leopard only for Tiger users, and what > had changed for Snow Leopard for Leopard users. This is like trying to > mention what combinations are specific to English language input keyboards. > > Another useful VoiceOver command is VO-Shift-C, which copies the last phrase > to the clipboard, and lets you paste it in with Command+V. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On Jun 8, 2011, at 09:26, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > >> interacting is another Voice Over qwerk, it initially irritated the hell >> out of me, but now it saves me time, a lot of time, and makes things >> easier to understand. >> >> two ways of interacting, the documented way, control, options, shift, down >> arrow, and the reverse to stop interacting, control, options, shift, up >> arrow. >> >> or if you're using quicknav, simply using one hand, which is the supreme >> benefit of quicknav, press the right and down arrow together to interact, >> and left and down to stop. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Neil Barnfather >> >> Talks List Administrator >> Twitter @neilbarnfather >> >> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your >> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >> >> URL: - www.talknav.com >> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com >> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >> >> >> >> On 8 Jun 2011, at 20:18, Shannon Dyer wrote: >> >> I fought the signature battle yesterday. Finally, I won. >> >> So, open mail. Then, go to the menu bar and find preferences. You'll see a >> series of buttons, one of which is labeled signatures. Enable that one. >> >> Here's where it got tricky for me. You'll see a table. You have to control >> option shift down-arrow to interact with it. When I did this, I saw >> something that said GMail, and, since that's what I use, I left the table >> alone, now that it was highlighted. Then, I tabbed over to a box that said >> signature 1. At first, I thought that was where the signature went, but >> no. That seems to just be the name of the signature. I tabbed again, and >> was in an edit box. I wrote the signature. The next part, I couldn't get >> voiceover to do, so a friend clicked on the plus sign for me.
Re: Opening folders and Apps on the IPhone with the bluetooth keyboard
You can turn quick nav on and off by pushing the left and right arrows together at the same time, then hit the up and down arrows at the same time, this is the same as hiting vo space bar, either will work. On Jun 8, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Paul Hunt wrote: > Hello everyone. Does anyone know how to open applications or folders on > IPhones with a Bluetooth keyboard? Is there a VO help key for Bluetooth > keyboards on IPhones? > > Thanks so much. > > On Jun 8, 2011, at 4:47 PM, Kliph&Sharrie > wrote: > >> what is the address to the mac access list? I could use all the pointers >> and help I can get! Thanks. >> >> Sent from Minister Miller's IPhone >> >> On Jun 8, 2011, at 4:12 PM, Esther wrote: >> >>> Hi Ray, >>> >>> I wasn't going to comment on the answer Chris gave, but as far as using the >>> Control key instead of the Command key in movement combinations, Apple >>> started supporting that for text navigation in iOS documents with Bluetooth >>> keyboards. I suppose that was because some Bluetooth keyboards have >>> Control keys, but no Command keys (or Windows keys). So if you are using >>> selecting text on an iPhone with a Bluetooth keyboard, Control+Shift+Up >>> arrow will work as well as Command+Shift+Up arrow to select all text from >>> your current position to the beginning of the document. And >>> Control+Shift+Down Arrow will work as well as Command+Shift+Down Arrow to >>> select to the end. This actually changed in different iOS 4 releases with >>> Bluetooth keyboard support. And at one point Control+Shift+Up arrow would >>> make the selection, but VoiceOver wouldn't announce it. >>> >>> Most of the keyboard shortcuts with Option key combinations that work on >>> the Mac also work on the iOS devices, but a few of the combinations still >>> don't get announced. And at the very beginning, some of the familiar >>> combinations, like Option+Shift+K for the "Apple" icon didn't even work. >>> This is the reason that I haven't posted an official list of the Option >>> command keyboard shortcuts for the iPhone -- some of them are still >>> changing. The most recent set got posted to the mac-access list, with lots >>> of annotations about which combinations worked, but VoiceOver didn't >>> announce (mostly math symbols), and which few worked only for OS X and not >>> iOS devices. >>> >>> HTH. Cheers, >>> >>> Esther >>> >>> On Jun 8, 2011, at 10:56, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >>> Well, actually, Chris, you are not as far off the mark as you think. FN+shift+left and FN+shift+right do in fact select to beginning and to end respectively. So, of course, do command+shift+up to slect to begining and command+shift+down to select to end. Both work equally well. That business about the control key...we won't go there. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Jun 8, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > OK, Teresa's correct, don't even listen to my previous post response. I > do this so regularly I don't even think about it. frankly, I don't know > what I was thinking a second ago. Teresa's exactly right. Shows what I > know. LOL! Here's for a senior moment! > > Chris. > > - Original Message - From: "Teresa Cochran" > > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 4:19 PM > Subject: Re: editing? > > >> command-shift-up and command-shift-down >> >> Teresa >> On Jun 8, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: >> >>> So, like I said before, I send email to multiple resipients. And >>> sometimes I need to get rid of previous senders and headers. So how >>> would I select to the end and beginning of a document or email? Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this g
Re: Toggling Preview Payne in Mail: a how-to Tutorial
Chris, I do not have a mouse. am I to understand that if I do not have a mouse that this will not work at all or is there a work around for this. I do not want to have to buy a mouse just to do this. Thanks. Mathew On Jun 8, 2011, at 1:32 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > OK, I myself and a few of my other friends have wondered how to toggle on and > off the mail preview in mail that is below the messages table using Snow > Leopard. It certainly was easier to do this in both Tiger and in Leopard, > but, here's how to do it in 10.6. A sighted friend and I have confirmed at > least five times that this consistently works regardless how your view is set > in Mail. > > 1. Open up Mail. > 2. Be sure that you're not interacting with anything whatsoever by pressing > vo+shift+sup arrow until you hear a ding. > > 3. Move to the top of the screen with vo+home, or fn+vo+left arrow, > depending on your setup. > > 4. Vo+right arrow past your mailboxes table, then one more time to the > messages table list, and finally one more time to a horizontal splitter. > This is where the hiding magic is gonna be at. > > 5. Even if your mouse follows your voiceover cursor, trust me with this as > this doesn't appear consistent route your mouse pointer with vo+command+F5. > remember that you may have to also use the fn key if your F keys are set to > hardware. > > 6. Now, here's the trick. instead of doing like before, and double clicking > with a double vo+shift+space, you need to literally speaking click the > physical mouse. I don't mean click with a literal click through voiceover. > Even vo+shift+space... that isn't good enough. You literally for some odd > reason have to click the actual mouse or track pad. Remember if you are on a > macbook using a track pad, the track pad is set up in such a way that > different parts of it do different things. I wasn't aware of this, until my > friend told me. So, what you want to do after routing your mouse to that > horizontal splitter, is to left double click. So on a track pad, that will > need to be done by double clicking at the very bottom left corner of the > track pad. Otherwise, just reach up to the mouse and double click the left > mouse button, or the only mouse button there if you have an external apple > mouse. Now the area should be gone. Voiceover won't tell you this right > away, but trust me, if you do it right it'll work consistently. > > > To turn the preview payne back on...: > > 1. Make sure in mail that you're again, not interacting with anything at all. > > 2. Now navigate to the top left of the window with your vo+home or > fn+vo+left arrow, again depending on your setup. > > 3. Next, vo+right arrow until you reach the message list table. Trust me > with this. > > 4. Press vo+shift+down arrow to interact with the messages table scroll area. > > 5. Highlight with vo+down arrow, any message in the list. It doesn't matter > which one, just so that one is selected. > > 6. Press vo+shift+up arrow to stop interacting with the message list table. > > 7. If you now vo+right arrow, you're gonna see two horizontal splitters. > you want the second one you'll come to. A short way to get there is to do > vo+end, or fn+vo+right arrow. Basically, it's at the very bottom right > corner of the screen. Now remember from above, you ***have!*** No ifs ands > or buts to it, you have! to have a message highlighted in the message list > table. Otherwise this second horizontal splitter won't even be there. Once > you find that second horizontal splitter, do like we did a second ago to hide > the preview. So, route your mouse, vo+command+F5, plus your fn key if > needed, then again, left double click your mouse. Again, bottom left corner, > if you're on a track pad like on a macbook. Again, Voiceover won't > necessarily tell you it worked. But again, it's very consistent. Trust me I > did it about 5 times. It does work, if you do it correctly exactly as I've > told you to do it. > > A very warm thanks to my friend Norma Watts for this tip. > > One more thing is, by the way, when you go to unhide the preview, make sure > you have a message highlited in the message list. I can't stress that > enough. If you don't have anything in the message list as it's empty, then a > sollution would be either to find a mailbox that has some messages populated, > or if worst last resort, just e-mail yourself to make a message pop up in the > table. > > The other thing is, I don't thing you have to have a message highlighted when > you're hiding the preview. Only when you're unhiding, however, just to be on > the safe side, until I figure out otherwise, it may be good practice anyway > to highlight a message first, even when hiding. > > I hope this helps some of you out. YOu all're definitely welcome to post > this on any web site or blog. I have no problem with that. > > Take c
Re: transition from pc to mac
I really agree about quicknav, except with web rotor on my Mac, I don't get the choice of words or characters, and I double checked in the web rotor setting in the vo utility. those choices are not in the menu of items for the rotor. How do you get words or characters included in the rotor? Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: last jquestions for now
You can open a file in Finder by pressing command-down-arrow. Yes, you can import a .csv file into Address Book. HTH, Teresa On Jun 8, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi, > I can answer a couple of your questions. There is a Mac shortcut to open the > applications folder, which is cmd-shift-a from either the desktop or a Finder > window. Similarly, cmd-shift-h will open the home folder and cmd-shift-o > opens Documents. > iChat is Apple's built-in instant messaging program. It includes support for > AIM, Google Talk, Jabber, and as of Lion Yahoo Instant Messenger. Most > people on this list seem to prefer Adium, which supports more protocols and > is able to work with Growl to speak incoming messages. > Sorry I can't help with any of your other questions. > Best, > Zack. > On Jun 8, 2011, at 1:53 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > >> Okay, what is I Chat? And what is another command for opening the >> applications folder, when I vo space bar on it, it doesn't open. finally, >> will the address-book except an import of a csv file from Microsoft outlook, >> or do I have to find another way to import? Heres another one, when I plug >> in my iphone, will it take all the contacts i have there and put them in my >> addressbook automatically? Thanks, that's all for today, I'm going to play >> a little more and see what I can figure out >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Toggling Preview Payne in Mail: a how-to Tutorial
Do you not have a track pad? If not, I'm unaware of any other way. Sorry. Chris. - Original Message - From: "matthew Dyer on Mac Mini" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Toggling Preview Payne in Mail: a how-to Tutorial Chris, I do not have a mouse. am I to understand that if I do not have a mouse that this will not work at all or is there a work around for this. I do not want to have to buy a mouse just to do this. Thanks. Mathew On Jun 8, 2011, at 1:32 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK, I myself and a few of my other friends have wondered how to toggle on and off the mail preview in mail that is below the messages table using Snow Leopard. It certainly was easier to do this in both Tiger and in Leopard, but, here's how to do it in 10.6. A sighted friend and I have confirmed at least five times that this consistently works regardless how your view is set in Mail. 1. Open up Mail. 2. Be sure that you're not interacting with anything whatsoever by pressing vo+shift+sup arrow until you hear a ding. 3. Move to the top of the screen with vo+home, or fn+vo+left arrow, depending on your setup. 4. Vo+right arrow past your mailboxes table, then one more time to the messages table list, and finally one more time to a horizontal splitter. This is where the hiding magic is gonna be at. 5. Even if your mouse follows your voiceover cursor, trust me with this as this doesn't appear consistent route your mouse pointer with vo+command+F5. remember that you may have to also use the fn key if your F keys are set to hardware. 6. Now, here's the trick. instead of doing like before, and double clicking with a double vo+shift+space, you need to literally speaking click the physical mouse. I don't mean click with a literal click through voiceover. Even vo+shift+space... that isn't good enough. You literally for some odd reason have to click the actual mouse or track pad. Remember if you are on a macbook using a track pad, the track pad is set up in such a way that different parts of it do different things. I wasn't aware of this, until my friend told me. So, what you want to do after routing your mouse to that horizontal splitter, is to left double click. So on a track pad, that will need to be done by double clicking at the very bottom left corner of the track pad. Otherwise, just reach up to the mouse and double click the left mouse button, or the only mouse button there if you have an external apple mouse. Now the area should be gone. Voiceover won't tell you this right away, but trust me, if you do it right it'll work consistently. To turn the preview payne back on...: 1. Make sure in mail that you're again, not interacting with anything at all. 2. Now navigate to the top left of the window with your vo+home or fn+vo+left arrow, again depending on your setup. 3. Next, vo+right arrow until you reach the message list table. Trust me with this. 4. Press vo+shift+down arrow to interact with the messages table scroll area. 5. Highlight with vo+down arrow, any message in the list. It doesn't matter which one, just so that one is selected. 6. Press vo+shift+up arrow to stop interacting with the message list table. 7. If you now vo+right arrow, you're gonna see two horizontal splitters. you want the second one you'll come to. A short way to get there is to do vo+end, or fn+vo+right arrow. Basically, it's at the very bottom right corner of the screen. Now remember from above, you ***have!*** No ifs ands or buts to it, you have! to have a message highlighted in the message list table. Otherwise this second horizontal splitter won't even be there. Once you find that second horizontal splitter, do like we did a second ago to hide the preview. So, route your mouse, vo+command+F5, plus your fn key if needed, then again, left double click your mouse. Again, bottom left corner, if you're on a track pad like on a macbook. Again, Voiceover won't necessarily tell you it worked. But again, it's very consistent. Trust me I did it about 5 times. It does work, if you do it correctly exactly as I've told you to do it. A very warm thanks to my friend Norma Watts for this tip. One more thing is, by the way, when you go to unhide the preview, make sure you have a message highlited in the message list. I can't stress that enough. If you don't have anything in the message list as it's empty, then a sollution would be either to find a mailbox that has some messages populated, or if worst last resort, just e-mail yourself to make a message pop up in the table. The other thing is, I don't thing you have to have a message highlighted when you're hiding the preview. Only when you're unhiding, however, just to be on the safe side, until I figure out otherwise, it may be good practice anyway to highlight a message first, even when hiding. I hope this helps some of you out. YOu
Re: transition from pc to mac
Hi Mary, In this case you want to interact with the text itself. This will let you read by characters or words, while restricting your attention to the specific element you're focused on. Hope this helps, Zack. On Jun 8, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > I really agree about quicknav, except with web rotor on my Mac, I don't get > the choice of words or characters, and I double checked in the web rotor > setting in the vo utility. those choices are not in the menu of items for the > rotor. How do you get words or characters included in the rotor? > > Mary > > Mary Otten > motte...@gmail.com > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
mail checking spelling
Hi all, Is there a way to have mail only check my spelling when I reply to a message? louie louiem...@wavecable.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: transition from pc to mac
Hi Zach, Yes, I can interact with text and get word by word, but I can't get character by character Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: transition from pc to mac
Hi Mary, In that case you can use the normal VO character-by-character movement commands, vo-shift-left and right arrows, I believe. I suppose the rotor should sense you're not interested in the whole webpage but only a specific area of it, but it doesn't always seem to. I tend to use group mode a lot which makes the control as a whole a bit less useful. Best, Zack. On Jun 8, 2011, at 5:17 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > Hi Zach, > Yes, I can interact with text and get word by word, but I can't get character > by character > Mary Otten > motte...@gmail.com > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: mail checking spelling
Yep, sure is. just click on your prefs window and from there, choose the "compose" tab. Within the choises presented, you can choose to have mail check your spelling when ever you send a message. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Jun 8, 2011, at 7:08 PM, louie wrote: > Hi all, > Is there a way to have mail only check my spelling when I reply to a message? > > louie > louiem...@wavecable.com > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: transition from pc to mac
Hi Mary! The confusion is in a email you use the left and up arrows or right and up to change from nav to words or characters, and when you first move to a web page the rota might still [with the arrows only] give you those options! But I found as soon as you move to another part of the page, the rota only gives you the options that you've set in the rota! IE, headings, links,visited links and say tables! Or which ever way you've set it! So as far as I can tell you cannot use the rota for the words etc, on a web page and just one more thing if you have changed it in email make sure you set it to nav before you leave mail! hth Colin On 9 Jun 2011, at 00:37, Mary Otten wrote: > I really agree about quicknav, except with web rotor on my Mac, I don't get > the choice of words or characters, and I double checked in the web rotor > setting in the vo utility. those choices are not in the menu of items for the > rotor. How do you get words or characters included in the rotor? > > Mary > > Mary Otten > motte...@gmail.com > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
iCloud observation, and a comparative question.
Evening everyone, i've managed to gather updates across all devices, Mac and iDevides as far as additional apps go, but am not seeing the same behavior when/if an app has an update. In other words, updating is still a manual process. Anyone else seeing this? Other than that, I'm loving this service so far, and cannot wait until it truly earns its legs a few months from now. Thanks in advance -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Visual input concerning screen brightness.
Hi again all, For those of you who choose to dial your brightness down on your Mac, but who choose to have it bright enough to be able to be adequately viewed, should you need it via sighted assistance, I'm told it's still perfectly fine at 10 to 15% brightness. Just thought I'd share that observation with the list. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iCloud observation, and a comparative question.
Yes, I've only seen updates with books and music. I got a book using ITunes on my Mac Mini and instantaneously received it on my IPod, which was not connected to the computer. Pretty cool. :) Teresa On Jun 8, 2011, at 6:18 PM, Shameless FanGirl wrote: > Evening everyone, > > i've managed to gather updates across all devices, Mac and iDevides as far as > additional apps go, but am not seeing the same behavior when/if an app has an > update. In other words, updating is still a manual process. Anyone else > seeing this? Other than that, I'm loving this service so far, and cannot wait > until it truly earns its legs a few months from now. > > Thanks in advance > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iCloud observation, and a comparative question.
Oh, I misspoke. I got a game, too. I haven't tried an app yet. Teresa On Jun 8, 2011, at 6:34 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > Yes, I've only seen updates with books and music. I got a book using ITunes > on my Mac Mini and instantaneously received it on my IPod, which was not > connected to the computer. Pretty cool. :) > > Teresa > On Jun 8, 2011, at 6:18 PM, Shameless FanGirl wrote: > >> Evening everyone, >> >> i've managed to gather updates across all devices, Mac and iDevides as far >> as additional apps go, but am not seeing the same behavior when/if an app >> has an update. In other words, updating is still a manual process. Anyone >> else seeing this? Other than that, I'm loving this service so far, and >> cannot wait until it truly earns its legs a few months from now. >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
