Re: VO Drag and Drop
You will then need ot make the playlists manually on the iphone if you want to do it that way. I'm really tired so can't write clearly but perhaps someone who's more awake then I can help at the moment. Sorry for beeing brisk. Take care. S Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Feb 23, 2011, at 6:23 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote: > Hi: > Okay, I know what to do, it's just not cooperating. LOL. Here is what I have. > When I hook up my iPhone 4, or Nano 6th gen, I have the following settings: > Under iTunes preferences, under devices, I have, prevent ipad, iPhone, ipod > from syncing audomatically. > On the phone, or iPod section of iTunes, under summery, I have: Sync only > select songs and videos checked, manually manage music and videos checked. > Under the music tab I have Sync selected playlists, albums, goneras, etc. > checked. Include memos and videos is checked. Remember, I can paste entire > albums of music by selecting all album tracks by interacting w/ table, > pressing command a, command c, stop interacting w/ table, vo left arrow back > to source list, interact, vo down arrow to iphone, command v, and everything > pastes. > As for playlists, find the playlist, copy it to clip board, go to phone, or > iPod, paste, and nothing happens. > > According to all documentation I've read, I'm suppost to be able to copy and > paste playlists to and from my iOS device, I.E. iPod, or iPhone. > I get nothing in regards to playlists. > On Feb 23, 2011, at 8:52 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> Right, >> >> After you have those checked, navigate to the table with your playlists and >> interact. Now check the the playlists you want synced. I can make a quick >> audio of me doing it if you'd like. >> >> hth >> >> Ricardo Walker >> rwalker...@gmail.com >> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 >> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 >> >> >> >> On Feb 23, 2011, at 9:37 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote: >> >>> Hi: >>> I don't want to use thismethod, however my playlists will not copy over >>> using copy and paste to my Nano, or my iPhone. I can copy over albums of >>> music without a problem, but not playlists. I have manually manage music >>> checked, and I have sync specific files checked, or what ever that second >>> choice in preferences is called. >>> On Feb 22, 2011, at 11:48 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: >>> Hi, I'm confused as to why you are going about things in this method. If you wish to sync specific playlists to your iPod, you can do this without drag and drop. You simply choose the playlists from within the Music pane of the iPod's device settings through iTunes. Dragging and dropping is cumbersome at best with VO and often doesn't do exactly what you want anyway. The only way I've got Drag and Drop to work well for moving files is by using VO gestures but I still wouldn't use this method for transferring music within iTunes. Later... On 2011-02-21, at 6:19 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote: > All: > I'm trying to manually drag and drop my iTunes playlists to my > iPod/iPhone b/c copying and pasting won't work. Here is what I'm doing, > and I'll outline where the problem is occurring. > > Duplication Steps: > 1.Using VO navigation commands, I move to the iTem I want to drag. > 2. I press VO Command F5 to move the mouse cursor to the VO location. > When I press VO F5 to varify what is under the mouse, It says nothing is > under the mouse, even though when I moved the mouse, it said I was on my > playlist. > 3. I press VO command shift space to start the drag. I hear the > appropriate mouse click sound. > 4. VO Shift F3 turns off curser tracking. > 5. Move to my ipod. > 6. Press VO command F5 to move the mouse cursor to vo curser. When I > press vo F5 to hear what is under curser, it says nothing is under cursor. > 7. Pressing vo command shift space releases the mouse. I hear the > appropriate mouse click sound. > > 8. Turn off cursor tracking by pressing vo shift f3. > So basically I'm being told nothing is under my mouse. > Please help. > Thanks, > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada -- You received
Re: Response from Dropbox Support regarding my inquiry
Yeah ou actually did. actually what they told me was we're working on the issue and we know about it. thanks. that was it. and I emailed b...@getdropbox.com btw. Take care all. i'ts off to bed with me maybe. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Feb 23, 2011, at 6:54 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > You got a smigen more than the rest of us got. Thanks for sharing this. > > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! > > Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! > Skype name: > barefootedray > > Facebook: > facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 > > On Feb 23, 2011, at 6:19 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: > >> I submitted a ticket to Dropbox Support using the simple form at this URL: >> https://www.dropbox.com/ticket#step:2 >> >> Pasted below is the initial response I've received. Is this the same >> response other folks are getting? I'd be interested to know exactly what >> your response was, what further communication occurred between you and >> Dropbox, and where your ticket stands at this point. >> Please Note: I've read enough flames and am just interested in hearing the >> dialog you've had with Dropbox. >> >> Begin Forwarded Message: >>> >>> Marshall, Feb-22 05:32 pm (PST): >>> Bryan- >>> >>> Thank you for writing to us. >>> >>> Our development team recently discovered that changes in the most recent >>> version of the Dropbox client may have inadvertently caused VoiceOver to >>> work improperly for some users. We're working to resolve those issues, but >>> we'd appreciate any specific feedback you may have about specific parts of >>> the client that are not accessible using this technology so that we can >>> address those areas. If you could provide us with that feedback, that would >>> be much appreciated. >>> >>> If you have any additional questions or feedback, please let us know. >>> >>> Best, >>> Marshall >>> >>> >>> opensesame, Feb-22 02:33 pm (PST): >>> Blind Mac User considering Dropbox, but I am told it has become inaccessible >>> Dear Dropbox Team, >>> >>> I am a blind Mac User and am considering using Dropbox. Unfortunately, I've >>> been informed by a number of my fellow blind Mac Users that your product >>> has recently become almost unusable for blind Mac folks due to its lack of >>> access with Apple's built-in VoiceOver screen reader. Before I make the >>> decision to go with a Dropbox competitor I wanted to ask if you have plans >>> to add VoiceOver accessibility back into your Mac OSX application. My >>> research has shown Dropbox to be highly regarded and I'd prefer to use it >>> instead of another product, but full accessibility is a requirement for me. >>> >>> Thank you very much for your consideration, >>> Bryan Jones >>> openses...@me.com >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: itunes and podcasts question
hi thank you for this great information. you're right, i did post to the viphone list, but since i'm in digest mode, may have missed your answer. again, thanks. i will try all of these. this started because i did not find main menu, but i did not do it the way you suggested below. On Feb 23, 2011, at 5:06 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Denise, > > ACB Main Menu is in the iTunes Store; just go to "Search" in the File menu on > the menu bar to do an iTunes Power Search, navigate to what is normally the > HTML area of the Store and change the pop up button (VO-Space) from "All > Results" to "Podcasts", then VO-Right arrow and type in your search in the > text box. This method of using the power search is also the fastest way to > find something within the iTunes Store, and has a much lower overhead if you > want to avoid the "VoiceOver, busy" messages -- it's much more efficient than > simply pointing to the iTunes Store in your sources table and typing > something in the general search text box for iTunes, since it keeps the HTML > pages with images from loading, it automatically sets you to the iTunes store > in a text-based search page, and it focuses your search to the specific > category you want (Podcasts, Music, Movies, Apps, etc.) with additional > textbox search criteria (e.g., name keywords, artist, author, etc.). Here's > the iTunes Store link to the entry for ACB Radios's Main Menu (which you > could get to by typing "main menu" using the above procedure): > http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/main-menu/id359065719 > > Blind Cool Tech used to be in the iTunes Store, but I think it's unusual feed > structure of having links to all the episodes since it started on a single > web page produced problems, and back around July 2009 the feed started > behaving very oddly in the iTunes Store. I also avoid visiting the main web > site so that VoiceOver does not have to deal with several years worth of > program links on a single page, but instead just visit the RSS feed address: > > http://www.blindcooltech.com/bct.xml > > To add this feed to your iTunes podcast subscriptions, navigate to the > "Advanced" menu on your iTunes Menu Bar (VO-M, then press "a") and arrow down > to "Subscribe to Podcast…". Paste the feed address into the dialog window > and press return. The feed will be added to your subscriptions. > > I think you asked a very similar question a month ago on the viphone list. > I'll paste in the part of my response that gave the feed addresses for the > other Podcasts you asked about (including Main Menu and Accessible World Tek > Talk). Note that the feeds only go back for a certain time, and that you may > have to manually select and download older episodes from within your iTunes > directory: > > > Hi Denise, > > Here are the podcast feeds you asked about, listed on the line following the > name of each program. Type or paste them into the Podcaster iPhone app by > double tapping the "Directory" button (4th of 5 from the left, on the bottom > of the main Podcaster screen), then flick to "Import", which is the last of > the listed "Podcast Directory" options, and double tap. On the resulting > page, these feed entries should be entered into the text field where VO > prompts you to "Enter feed URL or OPML URL". Note that all the feed entries > should be typed as a continuous string with no spaces, on a single line. If > mail wraps these to a second line and introduces a break or space between > characters on the long entries (e.g. for Mac-cessibility or Accessible World > Tek Talk), make sure that you copy the entire feed entry URL and remove any > spaces or line breaks. > > • Main Menu: > feed://www.mainmenu.acbradio.org/rss.php > • Mac-cessibility: > http://www.lioncourt.com/podcast/mac-cessibility.xml > • Accessible World Tek Talk: > feed://www.accessibleworld.org/category/site-categories/tek-talk-archives/feed > > Here are another few feed URLs for podcast subscriptions that I added by > hand. I'll add these because some of these feeds were hard to find: > > • All with my iPhone: > feed://allwithmyiphone.com/feed/podcast/ > • Serotalk: > http://serotalk.com/feed/ > • Tech Doctor Blog and Podcast: > http://www.dr-carter.com/?feed=podcast > • App Store Pundit: > http://www.appstorepundit.com/feed/podcast/ > > In general, the easiest way I've found to add podcast subscriptions to > Podcaster is to search for the podcasts and subscribe to them in iTunes by > using the power search menu of the iTunes Store. Navigate (VO-M, then press > "s" or "s t") to the "Store" menu on your iTunes menu bar, arrow down and > press "s" again to go to the "Search…" menu option. This will simultaneously > select the "iTunes Store" in your source list, and take you to the Power > Search page in the store. Navigate to the Power Search area and press > (VO-Space) the "All Results" pop up button and change this to "Podcasts". > Then type in you
Re: [Bulk] Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box
yes but when an ap WAS accessible and no longer is that should be criminal and is disghusting let's hope that they give a damn and fix it if all developers didn't care abot s we wouldn't have the mac at all and i think apple does realise that alot of us are trning to the mac for accessibility and I hope they understand that we will turn as quickly away and sell our expensive pretty machies if they become inaccessible On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Jim Barbour wrote: > Er, apologies for the reference to the iTunes store. I forgot which > list I was writing to. > > My point stands though. It is not realistic to assume that every Mac > application should be voiceover friendly before the developer can make > money from it. > > Jim > > On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:39:40PM -0800, Jim Barbour wrote: >> Are you suggesting that every developer should make sure that every >> app is VO accessible before the app store carries it? That wuld be >> tantamount to saying that every app must be availble in, insert >> obscure written language here, before it could be sold in the iTunes >> store. >> >> So, I say to pick your battles and try to be nice to the folks you're >> negotiating with. >> >> Jim >> >> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:27:51PM -0800, louie wrote: >>> Like I said they don't care and they don't have to. >>> Every one that put me down for saying the above what do you have to say now. >>> >>> On Feb 23, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: >>> well honestly I don't think it matters what we do short of a class action lawsuit because like most things noone cares unless you bust them over the head with a 2x4 lol most buisness people I uspect are abotu as stubborn as mules On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Scott Granados wrote: > Sounds typically militant. > > You won't get any results with a message like this. It's the quickest > way to get your requests sent to /dev/null. > > > > On Feb 22, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > >> Look, here's how I see it. They've been telling us for about two years >> that they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box. Every >> single time one of us writes them about it, all we hear back is, "We're >> aware of the problem". I reckon it's high time one of us or maybe a >> bunch of us wrote them and frankly said something like this: >> >> " >> "Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility >> problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, >> ""We're aware of it and are working on it."". Really? Where's the >> evidence of your work? You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see >> no results. To speak frankly, we are beginning to wonder wheterh or >> not you really actually care; even if you are aware. What do we have to >> do to make you understand that, if we're going to use your service, >> (especially if we're going to pay for it), we'd better be able to use >> it? What will it take?". Yes, I think at least one of us; or, as I >> said before, a number of us, ought to just put it out on the table just >> like that. Just one of us isn't enough. We need to do this on a daily >> basis until they realize that we WILL, NOT, BE, IGNORED!!! >> >> Thoughts? >> >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! >> >> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! >> Skype name: >> barefootedray >> >> Facebook: >> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 >> >> On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:43 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> O can set it up fine. But you have a point there. >>> >>> On 22/02/2011, at 0:31, Jes Smith wrote: >>> Hi all. As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the Mac is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, developers would either write their code based on Apple's accessibility guidelines, or, there programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and white issue as far as I'm concerned. I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box menu, but now that we can't even set the client up without sighted help? And honestly, I don't think petitions would do a lot for our cause. Individual complaints have been sent to drop box for over two years, and they've done nothing to show us that they hear our cries for accessibility. I'd sign the petition, but don't think it will help much. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionar
Re: [Bulk] Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box
Hi all! As someone else said it is not Apples place to make dev's add accessibility! But [ and I do not know how this would work] could the apps star rating be made, so it would only get 5 stars if it is accessible! Somehow only people who use accessibility could put a rating that no one else can put! And without it an app would never reach 5 stars! Oh well its just a thought! And back to the protest a lot of us have Skype and some of you are good at podcast's and can record Skype! So if a lot of us could put our issue via Skype and someone could put it together and chuck it out on U tube or facebook might that help! I would not mind speaking for this purpose! We do not have to be nasty just show our problem! All the best! Colin! Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak On 24 Feb 2011, at 12:25, Michael Thurman wrote: > yes but when an ap WAS accessible and no longer is that should be criminal > and is disgusting let's hope that they give a damn and fix it if all > developers didn't care about s we wouldn't have the mac at all and i think > apple does realise that a lot of us are turning to the mac for accessibility > and I hope they understand that we will turn as quickly away and sell our > expensive pretty machies if they become inaccessible > On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Jim Barbour wrote: > >> Er, apologies for the reference to the iTunes store. I forgot which >> list I was writing to. >> >> My point stands though. It is not realistic to assume that every Mac >> application should be voiceover friendly before the developer can make >> money from it. >> >> Jim >> >> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:39:40PM -0800, Jim Barbour wrote: >>> Are you suggesting that every developer should make sure that every >>> app is VO accessible before the app store carries it? That wuld be >>> tantamount to saying that every app must be available in, insert >>> obscure written language here, before it could be sold in the iTunes >>> store. >>> >>> So, I say to pick your battles and try to be nice to the folks you're >>> negotiating with. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:27:51PM -0800, louie wrote: Like I said they don't care and they don't have to. Every one that put me down for saying the above what do you have to say now. On Feb 23, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: > well honestly I don't think it matters what we do short of a class action > lawsuit because like most things noone cares unless you bust them over > the head with a 2x4 lol most business people I uspect are abotu as > stubborn as mules > > On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Scott Granados wrote: > >> Sounds typically militant. >> >> You won't get any results with a message like this. It's the quickest >> way to get your requests sent to /dev/null. >> >> >> >> On Feb 22, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >> >>> Look, here's how I see it. They've been telling us for about two years >>> that they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box. Every >>> single time one of us writes them about it, all we hear back is, "We're >>> aware of the problem". I reckon it's high time one of us or maybe a >>> bunch of us wrote them and frankly said something like this: >>> >>> " >>> "Every single time any one of us has written you about the >>> accessibility problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear >>> from you is, ""We're aware of it and are working on it."". Really? >>> Where's the evidence of your work? You keep saying that you are aware, >>> yet, we see no results. To speak frankly, we are beginning to wonder >>> wheterh or not you really actually care; even if you are aware. What >>> do we have to do to make you understand that, if we're going to use >>> your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), we'd better be >>> able to use it? What will it take?". Yes, I think at least one of us; >>> or, as I said before, a number of us, ought to just put it out on the >>> table just like that. Just one of us isn't enough. We need to do this >>> on a daily basis until they realize that we WILL, NOT, BE, IGNORED!!! >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! >>> >>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! >>> Skype name: >>> barefootedray >>> >>> Facebook: >>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 >>> >>> On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:43 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>> O can set it up fine. But you have a point there. On 22/02/2011, at 0:31, Jes Smith wrote: > Hi all. > As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on > the Mac is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of > Apple, developers would either write their code
Re: Mac and PC accessibility: more similar or more different?
Hum, I'm not really sure this is a relevant question. When it comes to features, mac is solid. Not every need is met at this point and there is still loads of room for improvement, but day to day I venture to say most computer users would never miss jaws. Let's take your case in point for example. Jaws doesn't support UIA yet. That means it doesn't work with IE9. Window-eyes and nvda both do. So, if you are running the latest mac OS which has nothing what-so-ever to do with UIA, then you might see a webpage beautifully. But it might be designed in html 5 geared towards the very latest browsing capabilities. So if you try it in IE8 it may not work as nicely, but if you are a jaws user and you upgrade to IE9, then no pages will work at all. But if you are an NVDA or window-eyes user then you may have no trouble. OR, the page may only have been tested in firefox. Maybe it's wonderful in firefox, but not nice at all in Safari or flavours of internet explorer. This is why no one is really doing what you're asking here. It just doesn't make sense to split hairs this way. You could second-guess yourself in circles all day at that rate. As far as web browsing goes, Voiceover and safari has features such as web element navigation, place markers and text search, but it also has features that no other system has, such as the item chooser, or the article reader which is part of safari, not voiceover. Then again, I really can't think of a single feature that window-eyes, jaws, or NVDA offers that voiceover doesn't. Not on the web at least. I'm sure there must be some, but I simply can't think of one, except for multi-browser support. With voiceover you get safari and webkit and that's about it. It comes down to what you want to do with a screen reader and a computer and only you can make those decisions. Best, Erik Burggraaf User support consultant, Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf, 1-888-255-5194 http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-02-24, at 2:29 AM, Pommette wrote: > Has anyone been systematically comparing how well access works between > VO and Windows-based programs like JAWS? Do the same accessibility > tests apply to both platforms, or will one be better for some things > than the other? I'm not raising this question as a contest - I'm > simply trying to understand how things work, and what assumptions I > can make. For example, if someone says that a site or program works > well with JAWS, can I be pretty sure that VO will also be happy? And > if something doesn't play well with VO, can I be indignant on behalf > of all who use screen readers? I know there are some huge contrasts as > with MS Word. But is this an exception? Thanks! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: [Bulk] Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box
Hi Colin: Excellent idea! Anyone can wine and complain about a product or write a nasty-gram. A well-put together constructive criticism might actually do some good. Carolyn H On Feb 24, 2011, at 6:24 AM, Colin M wrote: > Hi all! > As someone else said it is not Apples place to make dev's add accessibility! > But [ and I do not know how this would work] could the apps star rating be > made, so it would only get 5 stars if it is accessible! > Somehow only people who use accessibility could put a rating that no one else > can put! > And without it an app would never reach 5 stars! > Oh well its just a thought! > And back to the protest a lot of us have Skype and some of you are good at > podcast's and can record Skype! > So if a lot of us could put our issue via Skype and someone could put it > together and chuck it out on U tube or facebook might that help! > I would not mind speaking for this purpose! > We do not have to be nasty just show our problem! > All the best! > Colin! > Qapla! > > Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak > > On 24 Feb 2011, at 12:25, Michael Thurman wrote: > >> yes but when an ap WAS accessible and no longer is that should be criminal >> and is disgusting let's hope that they give a damn and fix it if all >> developers didn't care about s we wouldn't have the mac at all and i think >> apple does realise that a lot of us are turning to the mac for accessibility >> and I hope they understand that we will turn as quickly away and sell our >> expensive pretty machies if they become inaccessible >> On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Jim Barbour wrote: >> >>> Er, apologies for the reference to the iTunes store. I forgot which >>> list I was writing to. >>> >>> My point stands though. It is not realistic to assume that every Mac >>> application should be voiceover friendly before the developer can make >>> money from it. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:39:40PM -0800, Jim Barbour wrote: Are you suggesting that every developer should make sure that every app is VO accessible before the app store carries it? That wuld be tantamount to saying that every app must be available in, insert obscure written language here, before it could be sold in the iTunes store. So, I say to pick your battles and try to be nice to the folks you're negotiating with. Jim On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:27:51PM -0800, louie wrote: > Like I said they don't care and they don't have to. > Every one that put me down for saying the above what do you have to say > now. > > On Feb 23, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: > >> well honestly I don't think it matters what we do short of a class >> action lawsuit because like most things noone cares unless you bust >> them over the head with a 2x4 lol most business people I uspect are >> abotu as stubborn as mules >> >> On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Scott Granados wrote: >> >>> Sounds typically militant. >>> >>> You won't get any results with a message like this. It's the quickest >>> way to get your requests sent to /dev/null. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Feb 22, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >>> Look, here's how I see it. They've been telling us for about two years that they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box. Every single time one of us writes them about it, all we hear back is, "We're aware of the problem". I reckon it's high time one of us or maybe a bunch of us wrote them and frankly said something like this: " "Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, ""We're aware of it and are working on it."". Really? Where's the evidence of your work? You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see no results. To speak frankly, we are beginning to wonder wheterh or not you really actually care; even if you are aware. What do we have to do to make you understand that, if we're going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), we'd better be able to use it? What will it take?". Yes, I think at least one of us; or, as I said before, a number of us, ought to just put it out on the table just like that. Just one of us isn't enough. We need to do this on a daily basis until they realize that we WILL, NOT, BE, IGNORED!!! Thoughts? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:43 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >
Re: demand for yet another podcast?
Lol, You got a new Mac when they are being updated today? Thats pretty bad timing. I would send it back. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 On Feb 23, 2011, at 5:45 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: > Hi guys, > > Sometime in the next few days a new macbook is arriving here. It's a custom > built with 8 gb ram and solid state drive... the works. > > Is there demand for yet another podcast series? Another person taking a new > mac out of the box and demonstrating mac basics, mail, safari, other mac > applications, and consepts, third party software and so on? > > I'd be willing to do this in my own unique stammering style, but I'd like to > see some demand. It will be duplicating much of other people's work in some > areas. Plus it will be a great sacrifice on my part since I'll have to slow > down and take it easy on my new macbook, adding things one at a time and > recording and documenting, smiles. I won't be able to marathon the setup and > run away with my new macbook. I'd be more than happy to do it though if it > really will be useful. > > Best, > > Erik Burggraaf > User support consultant, > Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf, > 1-888-255-5194 > http://www.erik-burggraaf.com > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
speech recognition with Voiceover
Hi All, I'm a completely blind voiceover user in search of the most accessible speech recognition software out there. Is there a clear cut favorite on the market? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: demand for yet another podcast?
I know, but it's on funding so I'm stuck. I'm not complaining though. This is going to be a pretty sweet mac. Best, Erik Burggraaf User support consultant, Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf, 1-888-255-5194 http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-02-24, at 9:51 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Lol, > > You got a new Mac when they are being updated today? Thats pretty bad > timing. I would send it back. > > Ricardo Walker > rwalker...@gmail.com > Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 > > > > > On Feb 23, 2011, at 5:45 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: > >> Hi guys, >> >> Sometime in the next few days a new macbook is arriving here. It's a custom >> built with 8 gb ram and solid state drive... the works. >> >> Is there demand for yet another podcast series? Another person taking a new >> mac out of the box and demonstrating mac basics, mail, safari, other mac >> applications, and consepts, third party software and so on? >> >> I'd be willing to do this in my own unique stammering style, but I'd like to >> see some demand. It will be duplicating much of other people's work in some >> areas. Plus it will be a great sacrifice on my part since I'll have to slow >> down and take it easy on my new macbook, adding things one at a time and >> recording and documenting, smiles. I won't be able to marathon the setup >> and run away with my new macbook. I'd be more than happy to do it though if >> it really will be useful. >> >> Best, >> >> Erik Burggraaf >> User support consultant, >> Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf, >> 1-888-255-5194 >> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: [Bulk] Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box
We've had several discussions on the viphone list about this. People's opinions vary on this subject, mine is below. There is currently no "bar" that is well defined about what it means to be accessible using VO. We've talked about just allowing users to rate a product based on accessibility or something like "VO friendliness" I think it would be very hard to regulate in a reliable way. Jim On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 01:24:14PM +, Colin M wrote: > Hi all! > As someone else said it is not Apples place to make dev's add accessibility! > But [ and I do not know how this would work] could the apps star rating be > made, so it would only get 5 stars if it is accessible! > Somehow only people who use accessibility could put a rating that no one else > can put! > And without it an app would never reach 5 stars! > Oh well its just a thought! > And back to the protest a lot of us have Skype and some of you are good at > podcast's and can record Skype! > So if a lot of us could put our issue via Skype and someone could put it > together and chuck it out on U tube or facebook might that help! > I would not mind speaking for this purpose! > We do not have to be nasty just show our problem! > All the best! > Colin! > Qapla! > > Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak > > On 24 Feb 2011, at 12:25, Michael Thurman wrote: > > > yes but when an ap WAS accessible and no longer is that should be criminal > > and is disgusting let's hope that they give a damn and fix it if all > > developers didn't care about s we wouldn't have the mac at all and i think > > apple does realise that a lot of us are turning to the mac for > > accessibility and I hope they understand that we will turn as quickly away > > and sell our expensive pretty machies if they become inaccessible > > On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Jim Barbour wrote: > > > >> Er, apologies for the reference to the iTunes store. I forgot which > >> list I was writing to. > >> > >> My point stands though. It is not realistic to assume that every Mac > >> application should be voiceover friendly before the developer can make > >> money from it. > >> > >> Jim > >> > >> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:39:40PM -0800, Jim Barbour wrote: > >>> Are you suggesting that every developer should make sure that every > >>> app is VO accessible before the app store carries it? That wuld be > >>> tantamount to saying that every app must be available in, insert > >>> obscure written language here, before it could be sold in the iTunes > >>> store. > >>> > >>> So, I say to pick your battles and try to be nice to the folks you're > >>> negotiating with. > >>> > >>> Jim > >>> > >>> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:27:51PM -0800, louie wrote: > Like I said they don't care and they don't have to. > Every one that put me down for saying the above what do you have to say > now. > > On Feb 23, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: > > > well honestly I don't think it matters what we do short of a class > > action lawsuit because like most things noone cares unless you bust > > them over the head with a 2x4 lol most business people I uspect are > > abotu as stubborn as mules > > > > On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Scott Granados wrote: > > > >> Sounds typically militant. > >> > >> You won't get any results with a message like this. It's the quickest > >> way to get your requests sent to /dev/null. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Feb 22, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > >> > >>> Look, here's how I see it. They've been telling us for about two > >>> years that they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box. > >>> Every single time one of us writes them about it, all we hear back > >>> is, "We're aware of the problem". I reckon it's high time one of us > >>> or maybe a bunch of us wrote them and frankly said something like > >>> this: > >>> > >>> " > >>> "Every single time any one of us has written you about the > >>> accessibility problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear > >>> from you is, ""We're aware of it and are working on it."". Really? > >>> Where's the evidence of your work? You keep saying that you are > >>> aware, yet, we see no results. To speak frankly, we are beginning > >>> to wonder wheterh or not you really actually care; even if you are > >>> aware. What do we have to do to make you understand that, if we're > >>> going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), > >>> we'd better be able to use it? What will it take?". Yes, I think at > >>> least one of us; or, as I said before, a number of us, ought to just > >>> put it out on the table just like that. Just one of us isn't enough. > >>> We need to do this on a daily basis until they realize that we WILL, > >>> NOT, BE, IGNORED!!! > >>> > >>> Thoughts? > >>>
Re: [Bulk] Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box
Yeah, but the thing is, we're such a tiny piece of the market that our money doesn't do anything here nor there. Just think for a while, how many are blind in the world, and i mean all of the world? How many of the blind are using an Apple product? How many of those Apple product users are on this list? How many lurkers do we have? How many are active? Let's just imagine that we are 10 active, and i mean that write to this list at least once a week, How much would that do for a program developer that has 15 sighties? Not much i should say, so to demand that accessibility should be considered as criminal is ridiculous at least to my ears. I'm not saying we shouldn't make the developers aware of our needs, because we should, and often they listen and do good stuff, but maybe we shouldn't get our expectations up to high either. /Krister 24 feb 2011 kl. 13.25 skrev Michael Thurman: > yes but when an ap WAS accessible and no longer is that should be criminal > and is disghusting let's hope that they give a damn and fix it if all > developers didn't care abot s we wouldn't have the mac at all and i think > apple does realise that alot of us are trning to the mac for accessibility > and I hope they understand that we will turn as quickly away and sell our > expensive pretty machies if they become inaccessible > On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Jim Barbour wrote: > >> Er, apologies for the reference to the iTunes store. I forgot which >> list I was writing to. >> >> My point stands though. It is not realistic to assume that every Mac >> application should be voiceover friendly before the developer can make >> money from it. >> >> Jim >> >> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:39:40PM -0800, Jim Barbour wrote: >>> Are you suggesting that every developer should make sure that every >>> app is VO accessible before the app store carries it? That wuld be >>> tantamount to saying that every app must be availble in, insert >>> obscure written language here, before it could be sold in the iTunes >>> store. >>> >>> So, I say to pick your battles and try to be nice to the folks you're >>> negotiating with. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:27:51PM -0800, louie wrote: Like I said they don't care and they don't have to. Every one that put me down for saying the above what do you have to say now. On Feb 23, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: > well honestly I don't think it matters what we do short of a class action > lawsuit because like most things noone cares unless you bust them over > the head with a 2x4 lol most buisness people I uspect are abotu as > stubborn as mules > > On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Scott Granados wrote: > >> Sounds typically militant. >> >> You won't get any results with a message like this. It's the quickest >> way to get your requests sent to /dev/null. >> >> >> >> On Feb 22, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >> >>> Look, here's how I see it. They've been telling us for about two years >>> that they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box. Every >>> single time one of us writes them about it, all we hear back is, "We're >>> aware of the problem". I reckon it's high time one of us or maybe a >>> bunch of us wrote them and frankly said something like this: >>> >>> " >>> "Every single time any one of us has written you about the >>> accessibility problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear >>> from you is, ""We're aware of it and are working on it."". Really? >>> Where's the evidence of your work? You keep saying that you are aware, >>> yet, we see no results. To speak frankly, we are beginning to wonder >>> wheterh or not you really actually care; even if you are aware. What >>> do we have to do to make you understand that, if we're going to use >>> your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), we'd better be >>> able to use it? What will it take?". Yes, I think at least one of us; >>> or, as I said before, a number of us, ought to just put it out on the >>> table just like that. Just one of us isn't enough. We need to do this >>> on a daily basis until they realize that we WILL, NOT, BE, IGNORED!!! >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! >>> >>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! >>> Skype name: >>> barefootedray >>> >>> Facebook: >>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 >>> >>> On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:43 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>> O can set it up fine. But you have a point there. On 22/02/2011, at 0:31, Jes Smith wrote: > Hi all. > As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on > the Mac is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I
New to the list and have a few questions
Hey everyone, My name is Tyler. Picked myself a macbook pro 15" core i7 about 6 months ago. Have had nothing but good luck with it, and now that I finally have gotten used to the thing I have a few questions. 1. How do you use dropbox? Or actually, how can't we use it? I thought there was a way around that with the window chooser, but am I wrong now? I have it set up on my virtual machine as of right now, though it keeps telling me it cannot access dropbox folder even though things are being uploaded and downloaded. 2. This is more my main question because I'm really not happy. I bought audio highjack pro, and was able to highjack system audio, which was really my goal all along - so I could broadcast said audio to skype. I installed soundflower, which is required to go along with it. I eventually bought it, and soon after that things went a bit haywire... I updated it, (probably a bad mistake) and it told me to instal the extra "instant on". Well ok, I figured this must be some new king of thing. Suddenly, highjack doesn't work. If I highjack system audio I get nothing, and the person I'm trying to demonstrate on skype isn't hearing a thing iether. Ok, fine. I tried highjacking just one application - vlc, to be exact - and I also got nothing. So ok. I downgraded to my previous version, and from then on have had nothing but problems with the thing. If I try and highjack system audio now, I lose all sounds including voiceover. If I navigate out of the window to see if it worked (I did this multiple times, ugh) and I couldn't get back to the highjack checkbox, all sounds were lost and when I hard booted the thing, I got nothing until I went to system preferences, interacted with the preferenace pain and hit so quick. Then hoped like heck I could find internal speakers/headphones. All of this done with no speech. I tried uninstalling audio highjack pro and soundflower completely, going as far as removing them from .com.apple etc. So now I'm lost...what do I do from here? Can I access soundflower somehow, did I do something wrong? I just want this to be able to work, but I can't highjack anything, including other programs. 3. Ok, I saw some chat about this in the archives but I'm still unclear. How exactly do you use caffeine? I heard there were multiple ways to go about it, but I'm still unclear on how exactly this is accomplished. I got told I could use insomnia x by hitting vo m three times, using the trackpad to find the menu bar for it. That, however, failed. I couldn't find anything and still can't to this day when I open it. So this is getting rather annoying - all I want to do is close the lid of this thing when I'm chatting on skype so I don't bash it into something one of these days and scratch it's beautiful finish... I would also like to take the time here to thank Rick Harmon and Mike Arrigo. They were the main reason I made the purchas and I don't regret it in the slightest, $2150 or not. Probably the most stable peace of technology I've ever owned, and my windows laptop and windows netbook have a lot of dust on them. Also, the battery life, for being a core i7, is finominal. I have a few other questions, but I think I've rambled on enough. thanks in advance - by the way, am always up for a chat - my contact info is below. skype: the_conman283 msn is the same - just with @hotmail.com at the end. twitter: http://www.twitter.com/wolfman1360 - Tyler -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: testing brailledisplays for mac and iphone4
I can pair my Focus 40 Blue with my IPod Touch, but the pairing becomes disabled from time to time. In that case, I go into the Voiceover Braille settings and it comes up with the pin dialog successfully. Teresa On Feb 23, 2011, at 9:48 PM, David Tanner wrote: > You are not going to the right place to setup a Braille display. After > turning on bluetooth you go back to the general settings menu then go to the > choice for accessability, go in there and then go to the VoiceOver button and > click in there, then go to the Braille button and click in there. Under the > BBraille settings you will find the area for choosing a Braille display. Once > the phone discovers the display you click on the display and you will be > prompted for the pin code. Put in the pin and click the pear button to get > the display peared with the phone. > > > > - Original Message - From: "William Windels" > > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 7:55 AM > Subject: testing brailledisplays for mac and iphone4 > > >> Hello all, >> >> I have tested some brailledisplays with iphone4 and macbook (last versions >> of the os). >> I am interested in one of the following displays: >> Eurobraille ESYS40 >> Papenmeier Trio >> focus 40 blue >> >> >> I was able to connect the esys40 with my macbook with bluetooth and usb. >> The bluetooth was only working when I put out the sd-card. >> With the iphone4 , I had no success at all. >> The iPhone was searching for a display but it wasn't possible for the >> iphone4 to see that display. >> The strange thing is that it has worked after some trial and errors with the >> iphone4 of another person. >> >> The only thing you can do for searching bluetooth devices with the iphone is >> in settings/global/bluetooth? >> >> The focus40 was working with the macbook but we haven't tested it with the >> iphone4. >> >> The Papenmeier Trio wasn't in the company to test this morning but any >> comments about this device for the iphone4 and the macbook are also very >> welcome. >> >> Also, is there an option on the iphone4 to set some options for the code >> that you need to use for pairing? >> On the macbook, there are some options to specify but, it seems , not on the >> iphone4. >> >> Thanx alot for your answers, >> >> best regards, >> William Windels >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: speech recognition with Voiceover
Native to the Mac is Speakable Items. Speakable Items is accessible to Voice Over. There are some work arounds required if you want to define a new speech command, but other than that, there is no problem with it. Basically any command that can be executed through a keyboard shortcut can be made into a verbal command. You cannot use it to type text in a word processing document for that you have to purchase third party software. I have no experience with these products so I do not know how they work with Voice Over.. I hope this helps. sincerely Yours, robert Nelson On Feb 24, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Adam wrote: > Hi All, > I'm a completely blind voiceover user in search of the most accessible > speech recognition software out there. Is there a clear cut favorite > on the market? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mac and PC accessibility: more similar or more different?
As far as web browsing is concerned, flash doesn't work well at all with VO, whereas some Windows screen-readers have support to flash pages with built-in accessibility elements. Other than saying this, though, I kind of shy away from comparisons. If I really wanted to use Windows because I'm used to it, I'd probably go the Bootcamp or Fusion route. I've left Windows behind for a year now, so it's kind of a moot topic for me personally. Tee On Feb 24, 2011, at 6:12 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: > Hum, I'm not really sure this is a relevant question. When it comes to > features, mac is solid. Not every need is met at this point and there is > still loads of room for improvement, but day to day I venture to say most > computer users would never miss jaws. > > Let's take your case in point for example. Jaws doesn't support UIA yet. > That means it doesn't work with IE9. Window-eyes and nvda both do. So, if > you are running the latest mac OS which has nothing what-so-ever to do with > UIA, then you might see a webpage beautifully. But it might be designed in > html 5 geared towards the very latest browsing capabilities. So if you try > it in IE8 it may not work as nicely, but if you are a jaws user and you > upgrade to IE9, then no pages will work at all. But if you are an NVDA or > window-eyes user then you may have no trouble. OR, the page may only have > been tested in firefox. Maybe it's wonderful in firefox, but not nice at all > in Safari or flavours of internet explorer. This is why no one is really > doing what you're asking here. It just doesn't make sense to split hairs > this way. You could second-guess yourself in circles all day at that rate. > > As far as web browsing goes, Voiceover and safari has features such as web > element navigation, place markers and text search, but it also has features > that no other system has, such as the item chooser, or the article reader > which is part of safari, not voiceover. Then again, I really can't think of > a single feature that window-eyes, jaws, or NVDA offers that voiceover > doesn't. Not on the web at least. I'm sure there must be some, but I simply > can't think of one, except for multi-browser support. With voiceover you get > safari and webkit and that's about it. > > It comes down to what you want to do with a screen reader and a computer and > only you can make those decisions. > > Best, > > Erik Burggraaf > User support consultant, > Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf, > 1-888-255-5194 > http://www.erik-burggraaf.com > > On 2011-02-24, at 2:29 AM, Pommette wrote: > >> Has anyone been systematically comparing how well access works between >> VO and Windows-based programs like JAWS? Do the same accessibility >> tests apply to both platforms, or will one be better for some things >> than the other? I'm not raising this question as a contest - I'm >> simply trying to understand how things work, and what assumptions I >> can make. For example, if someone says that a site or program works >> well with JAWS, can I be pretty sure that VO will also be happy? And >> if something doesn't play well with VO, can I be indignant on behalf >> of all who use screen readers? I know there are some huge contrasts as >> with MS Word. But is this an exception? Thanks! >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: speech recognition with Voiceover
You would need to purchase Nuance Dragon Dictate which is now accessible with VoiceOver. On 24 Feb 2011, at 17:31, Robert Nelson wrote: > Native to the Mac is Speakable Items. Speakable Items is accessible to Voice > Over. There are some work arounds required if you want to define a new > speech command, but other than that, there is no problem with it. > > Basically any command that can be executed through a keyboard shortcut can > be made into a verbal command. > > You cannot use it to type text in a word processing document for that you > have to purchase third party software. > > I have no experience with these products so I do not know how they work with > Voice Over.. I hope this helps. > sincerely Yours, > robert Nelson > > On Feb 24, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Adam wrote: > >> Hi All, >> I'm a completely blind voiceover user in search of the most accessible >> speech recognition software out there. Is there a clear cut favorite >> on the market? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: speech recognition with Voiceover
How much does it cost? How well will it run on a Mac mini? On Feb 24, 2011, at 10:03 AM, Chris Moore wrote: > You would need to purchase Nuance Dragon Dictate which is now accessible with > VoiceOver. > On 24 Feb 2011, at 17:31, Robert Nelson wrote: > >> Native to the Mac is Speakable Items. Speakable Items is accessible to >> Voice Over. There are some work arounds required if you want to define a >> new speech command, but other than that, there is no problem with it. >> >> Basically any command that can be executed through a keyboard shortcut can >> be made into a verbal command. >> >> You cannot use it to type text in a word processing document for that you >> have to purchase third party software. >> >> I have no experience with these products so I do not know how they work >> with Voice Over.. I hope this helps. >> sincerely Yours, >> robert Nelson >> >> On Feb 24, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Adam wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> I'm a completely blind voiceover user in search of the most accessible >>> speech recognition software out there. Is there a clear cut favorite >>> on the market? >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > louie louiem...@wavecable.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Looking for keyboard commands for file, edit, view etc.
Guys, I'm still learning to move from JAWS to VO, and from Windows to Mac. What I'm looking for is the equivalent of Alt F for file menu, Alt E for edit menu and so on. I don't want to always type VO M and then right arrow tot he menu I want. I should be able to type something like Command F for file, Command E for edit and so on. What's the answer? Thanks, Kevin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: demand for yet another podcast?
regardless of who got it fo ryou you can take it to the apple store and say look the new ones came out today either you can be nice and just swap it out for me, or I'll return it it should still be in your name if it is not then good luck ever getting service that's one thing apple is strict about is it YOUR mac if not they will assume it's stolen and either refuse service or call the police On Feb 24, 2011, at 10:11 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: > I know, but it's on funding so I'm stuck. I'm not complaining though. This > is going to be a pretty sweet mac. > > Best, > > Erik Burggraaf > User support consultant, > Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf, > 1-888-255-5194 > http://www.erik-burggraaf.com > > On 2011-02-24, at 9:51 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> Lol, >> >> You got a new Mac when they are being updated today? Thats pretty bad >> timing. I would send it back. >> >> Ricardo Walker >> rwalker...@gmail.com >> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 23, 2011, at 5:45 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: >> >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> Sometime in the next few days a new macbook is arriving here. It's a >>> custom built with 8 gb ram and solid state drive... the works. >>> >>> Is there demand for yet another podcast series? Another person taking a >>> new mac out of the box and demonstrating mac basics, mail, safari, other >>> mac applications, and consepts, third party software and so on? >>> >>> I'd be willing to do this in my own unique stammering style, but I'd like >>> to see some demand. It will be duplicating much of other people's work in >>> some areas. Plus it will be a great sacrifice on my part since I'll have >>> to slow down and take it easy on my new macbook, adding things one at a >>> time and recording and documenting, smiles. I won't be able to marathon >>> the setup and run away with my new macbook. I'd be more than happy to do >>> it though if it really will be useful. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Erik Burggraaf >>> User support consultant, >>> Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf, >>> 1-888-255-5194 >>> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Looking for keyboard commands for file, edit, view etc.
When you say "I should be able to", you really mean "windows allows me to" I'm afraid the mac doesn't have menu keys like windows does. It does have short cut keys for individual menu items. If you want to navigate around the menus, you need to type VO+M and then use the arrow keys and VO+space to find and select an item. Take Care, Jim On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:27:16AM -0800, Kevin Gibbs wrote: > Guys, > I'm still learning to move from JAWS to VO, and from Windows to Mac. > What I'm looking for is the equivalent of Alt F for file menu, Alt E > for edit menu and so on. I don't want to always type VO M and then > right arrow tot he menu I want. I should be able to type something > like Command F for file, Command E for edit and so on. What's the > answer? > Thanks, > Kevin > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: [Bulk] Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box
I already did a youtube vid. just go to my youtube link in my sig and click the dropbox ink. itis short but it should prove a point. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Feb 24, 2011, at 5:24 AM, Colin M wrote: > Hi all! > As someone else said it is not Apples place to make dev's add accessibility! > But [ and I do not know how this would work] could the apps star rating be > made, so it would only get 5 stars if it is accessible! > Somehow only people who use accessibility could put a rating that no one else > can put! > And without it an app would never reach 5 stars! > Oh well its just a thought! > And back to the protest a lot of us have Skype and some of you are good at > podcast's and can record Skype! > So if a lot of us could put our issue via Skype and someone could put it > together and chuck it out on U tube or facebook might that help! > I would not mind speaking for this purpose! > We do not have to be nasty just show our problem! > All the best! > Colin! > Qapla! > > Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak > > On 24 Feb 2011, at 12:25, Michael Thurman wrote: > >> yes but when an ap WAS accessible and no longer is that should be criminal >> and is disgusting let's hope that they give a damn and fix it if all >> developers didn't care about s we wouldn't have the mac at all and i think >> apple does realise that a lot of us are turning to the mac for accessibility >> and I hope they understand that we will turn as quickly away and sell our >> expensive pretty machies if they become inaccessible >> On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Jim Barbour wrote: >> >>> Er, apologies for the reference to the iTunes store. I forgot which >>> list I was writing to. >>> >>> My point stands though. It is not realistic to assume that every Mac >>> application should be voiceover friendly before the developer can make >>> money from it. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:39:40PM -0800, Jim Barbour wrote: Are you suggesting that every developer should make sure that every app is VO accessible before the app store carries it? That wuld be tantamount to saying that every app must be available in, insert obscure written language here, before it could be sold in the iTunes store. So, I say to pick your battles and try to be nice to the folks you're negotiating with. Jim On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:27:51PM -0800, louie wrote: > Like I said they don't care and they don't have to. > Every one that put me down for saying the above what do you have to say > now. > > On Feb 23, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: > >> well honestly I don't think it matters what we do short of a class >> action lawsuit because like most things noone cares unless you bust >> them over the head with a 2x4 lol most business people I uspect are >> abotu as stubborn as mules >> >> On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Scott Granados wrote: >> >>> Sounds typically militant. >>> >>> You won't get any results with a message like this. It's the quickest >>> way to get your requests sent to /dev/null. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Feb 22, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >>> Look, here's how I see it. They've been telling us for about two years that they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box. Every single time one of us writes them about it, all we hear back is, "We're aware of the problem". I reckon it's high time one of us or maybe a bunch of us wrote them and frankly said something like this: " "Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, ""We're aware of it and are working on it."". Really? Where's the evidence of your work? You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see no results. To speak frankly, we are beginning to wonder wheterh or not you really actually care; even if you are aware. What do we have to do to make you understand that, if we're going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), we'd better be able to use it? What will it take?". Yes, I think at least one of us; or, as I said before, a number of us, ought to just put it out on the table just like that. Just one of us isn't enough. We need to do this on a daily basis until they realize that we WILL, NOT, BE, IGNORED!!! Thoughts? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefo
Re: [Bulk] Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box
I pointed the dropbox devs to my youtube vid but they didn't even seem to look at it. at least I don't think so based on there response. so maybe the one who got the more detailed response can point them to what I did to demonstrate and see if that helps them at all as it is a screenshot vid. Take care all. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Feb 24, 2011, at 6:15 AM, carolyn Haas wrote: > Hi Colin: > Excellent idea! Anyone can wine and complain about a product or write a > nasty-gram. A well-put together constructive criticism might actually do > some good. > Carolyn H > On Feb 24, 2011, at 6:24 AM, Colin M wrote: > >> Hi all! >> As someone else said it is not Apples place to make dev's add accessibility! >> But [ and I do not know how this would work] could the apps star rating be >> made, so it would only get 5 stars if it is accessible! >> Somehow only people who use accessibility could put a rating that no one >> else can put! >> And without it an app would never reach 5 stars! >> Oh well its just a thought! >> And back to the protest a lot of us have Skype and some of you are good at >> podcast's and can record Skype! >> So if a lot of us could put our issue via Skype and someone could put it >> together and chuck it out on U tube or facebook might that help! >> I would not mind speaking for this purpose! >> We do not have to be nasty just show our problem! >> All the best! >> Colin! >> Qapla! >> >> Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak >> >> On 24 Feb 2011, at 12:25, Michael Thurman wrote: >> >>> yes but when an ap WAS accessible and no longer is that should be criminal >>> and is disgusting let's hope that they give a damn and fix it if all >>> developers didn't care about s we wouldn't have the mac at all and i think >>> apple does realise that a lot of us are turning to the mac for >>> accessibility and I hope they understand that we will turn as quickly away >>> and sell our expensive pretty machies if they become inaccessible >>> On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Jim Barbour wrote: >>> Er, apologies for the reference to the iTunes store. I forgot which list I was writing to. My point stands though. It is not realistic to assume that every Mac application should be voiceover friendly before the developer can make money from it. Jim On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:39:40PM -0800, Jim Barbour wrote: > Are you suggesting that every developer should make sure that every > app is VO accessible before the app store carries it? That wuld be > tantamount to saying that every app must be available in, insert > obscure written language here, before it could be sold in the iTunes > store. > > So, I say to pick your battles and try to be nice to the folks you're > negotiating with. > > Jim > > On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:27:51PM -0800, louie wrote: >> Like I said they don't care and they don't have to. >> Every one that put me down for saying the above what do you have to say >> now. >> >> On Feb 23, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: >> >>> well honestly I don't think it matters what we do short of a class >>> action lawsuit because like most things noone cares unless you bust >>> them over the head with a 2x4 lol most business people I uspect are >>> abotu as stubborn as mules >>> >>> On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Scott Granados wrote: >>> Sounds typically militant. You won't get any results with a message like this. It's the quickest way to get your requests sent to /dev/null. On Feb 22, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > Look, here's how I see it. They've been telling us for about two > years that they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box. > Every single time one of us writes them about it, all we hear back > is, "We're aware of the problem". I reckon it's high time one of us > or maybe a bunch of us wrote them and frankly said something like > this: > > " > "Every single time any one of us has written you about the > accessibility problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear > from you is, ""We're aware of it and are working on it."". Really? > Where's the evidence of your work? You keep saying that you are > aware, yet, we see no results. To speak frankly, we are beginning > to wonder wheterh or not you really actually care; even if you are > aware. What do we have to do to make you understand that, if we're
Re: Looking for keyboard commands for file, edit, view etc.
or down arrow or enter to open a menu. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Feb 24, 2011, at 10:37 AM, Jim Barbour wrote: > When you say "I should be able to", you really mean "windows allows me to" > > I'm afraid the mac doesn't have menu keys like windows does. It does > have short cut keys for individual menu items. > > If you want to navigate around the menus, you need to type VO+M and > then use the arrow keys and VO+space to find and select an item. > > Take Care, > > Jim > > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:27:16AM -0800, Kevin Gibbs wrote: >> Guys, >> I'm still learning to move from JAWS to VO, and from Windows to Mac. >> What I'm looking for is the equivalent of Alt F for file menu, Alt E >> for edit menu and so on. I don't want to always type VO M and then >> right arrow tot he menu I want. I should be able to type something >> like Command F for file, Command E for edit and so on. What's the >> answer? >> Thanks, >> Kevin >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Looking for keyboard commands for file, edit, view etc.
Or after hitting VO+M to get to the menu, hit f for file, e for edit, etc. and hit down arrow to open the menu. Just start typing the one you want and it should move you there quickly. Not quite as streamline as alt+f at first, but its not a major inconvenience. Greg On Feb 24, 2011, at 1:09 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > or down arrow or enter to open a menu. > > Take care. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to > http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my > info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On Feb 24, 2011, at 10:37 AM, Jim Barbour wrote: > >> When you say "I should be able to", you really mean "windows allows me to" >> >> I'm afraid the mac doesn't have menu keys like windows does. It does >> have short cut keys for individual menu items. >> >> If you want to navigate around the menus, you need to type VO+M and >> then use the arrow keys and VO+space to find and select an item. >> >> Take Care, >> >> Jim >> >> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:27:16AM -0800, Kevin Gibbs wrote: >>> Guys, >>> I'm still learning to move from JAWS to VO, and from Windows to Mac. >>> What I'm looking for is the equivalent of Alt F for file menu, Alt E >>> for edit menu and so on. I don't want to always type VO M and then >>> right arrow tot he menu I want. I should be able to type something >>> like Command F for file, Command E for edit and so on. What's the >>> answer? >>> Thanks, >>> Kevin >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Looking for keyboard commands for file, edit, view etc.
You could probably set those keyboard shortcuts up under keyboard but that would be a major pain! lol! Take care all. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Feb 24, 2011, at 11:34 AM, Greg Aikens wrote: > Or after hitting VO+M to get to the menu, hit f for file, e for edit, etc. > and hit down arrow to open the menu. Just start typing the one you want and > it should move you there quickly. Not quite as streamline as alt+f at first, > but its not a major inconvenience. > > Greg > On Feb 24, 2011, at 1:09 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> or down arrow or enter to open a menu. >> >> Take care. >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to >> http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my >> info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> On Feb 24, 2011, at 10:37 AM, Jim Barbour wrote: >> >>> When you say "I should be able to", you really mean "windows allows me to" >>> >>> I'm afraid the mac doesn't have menu keys like windows does. It does >>> have short cut keys for individual menu items. >>> >>> If you want to navigate around the menus, you need to type VO+M and >>> then use the arrow keys and VO+space to find and select an item. >>> >>> Take Care, >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:27:16AM -0800, Kevin Gibbs wrote: Guys, I'm still learning to move from JAWS to VO, and from Windows to Mac. What I'm looking for is the equivalent of Alt F for file menu, Alt E for edit menu and so on. I don't want to always type VO M and then right arrow tot he menu I want. I should be able to type something like Command F for file, Command E for edit and so on. What's the answer? Thanks, Kevin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Looking for keyboard commands for file, edit, view etc.
Hi Kevin, If you want to move to the "File" menu or the "Edit" menu on your menu bar, after you use VO-M to move to the menu bar, just type the first letter of the menu item (e.g., VO-M, and then press "f" and you will be at the "File" menu). This works quite generally in Mac OS X, and is independent of VoiceOver use. Actually, I generally use the OS X default shortcuts in place of the VoiceOver specific shortcuts where they are available, and instead of using VO-M to move to the menu bar, I use Control-F2. To move to the status menu bar I use Control-F8 instead of VO-M twice. And to move to the Dock, I use Control-F3, instead of VO-D. In each of these areas (menu bar, status menu bar, dock, and the individual menu and submenu items), and also in Finder, tables in iTunes and other apps, playlists. etc., you can move to items either by using your arrow keys or by quickly pressing keys for the first few letters of the item name. You can also combine moving by using arrow keys and moving by pressing the first few letters of an item name. For example, let's say that I'm in TextEdit and want to open a recently used file. I can press Control-F2 (or VO-M, if you like) to move to the menu bar, press "f" to move to the "File" menu, press down arrow to move into the "File menu", press "o" to move to "Open Recent" (which will be announced as "sub-menu"), press right arrow to move into the submenu, and then arrow down to find the recent file I want to use. I then press either "Return" (or the "Enter" key from Windows parlance), or VO-Space to select that item, and I'm moved to the that file in TextEdit. Incidentally, VO-Space is a general command for "perform the default action". This can be selecting an item, checking a check box, pressing a button, etc. Also, the rule for pressing the first few letters of an item moves you to the first item that matches what you type, so on the "Mail" menu bar, where arrowing through gives you multiple menu items beginning with "m", such as "Mail", "Mailbox", and "Message", pressing "m" takes you to the first match (e.g. "Mail"), and to move directly to "Message" I would have had to press "m e". Hope this makes sense. It actually takes longer to type the explanations than it does to navigate. Also, in using item chooser menu (say on a web page), if I want to go to a link with a particular name, after using VO-I, I might press "l i n" in quick succession to get a list of links, and then press the first few letters for the name of the link on the filtered list of results that I want to go to, in order to filter the matches even further. I can also use my arrow keys to more through these entries. In other words, if you think you're doing too much work to navigate in VoiceOver, you probably are, but the equivalent way of shortening this won't necessarily be the same as what you're used to using with JAWS and Windows. We also use shortcut key sequences for frequently used menu items. Cheers, Esther On Feb 24, 2011, at 08:37, Jim Barbour wrote: > When you say "I should be able to", you really mean "windows allows me to" > > I'm afraid the mac doesn't have menu keys like windows does. It does > have short cut keys for individual menu items. > > If you want to navigate around the menus, you need to type VO+M and > then use the arrow keys and VO+space to find and select an item. > > Take Care, > > Jim > > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:27:16AM -0800, Kevin Gibbs wrote: >> Guys, >> I'm still learning to move from JAWS to VO, and from Windows to Mac. >> What I'm looking for is the equivalent of Alt F for file menu, Alt E >> for edit menu and so on. I don't want to always type VO M and then >> right arrow tot he menu I want. I should be able to type something >> like Command F for file, Command E for edit and so on. What's the >> answer? >> Thanks, >> Kevin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Looking for keyboard commands for file, edit, view etc.
Dear kevin, I am sorry . There are no standard keyboard commands to open these menus. Sincerely Yours, robert Nelson On Feb 24, 2011, at 1:27 PM, Kevin Gibbs wrote: > Guys, > I'm still learning to move from JAWS to VO, and from Windows to Mac. > What I'm looking for is the equivalent of Alt F for file menu, Alt E > for edit menu and so on. I don't want to always type VO M and then > right arrow tot he menu I want. I should be able to type something > like Command F for file, Command E for edit and so on. What's the > answer? > Thanks, > Kevin > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: accessible radio apps
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Re: [Bulk] Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box
What a strange post. I have to say the same thing I did then. So what? Just because they choose to ignore you, doesn't mean you should just give up. I will draw a parallel but off course this was a much bigger deal. When African Americans marched and petitioned for civil rights, I'm sure many people ignored them. But they kept on. And many people are better off because they did. You feel it is a hopeless cause and thats fine. But that doesn't mean people who don't are out of touch with reality or something. I really have know idea what your statement was suppose to mean. It's not like you said the Earth was round and everyone else was saying it was flat and you just proved us wrong so know you need a pat on the back or something. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:27 PM, louie wrote: > Like I said they don't care and they don't have to. > Every one that put me down for saying the above what do you have to say now. > > On Feb 23, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: > >> well honestly I don't think it matters what we do short of a class action >> lawsuit because like most things noone cares unless you bust them over the >> head with a 2x4 lol most buisness people I uspect are abotu as stubborn as >> mules >> >> On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Scott Granados wrote: >> >>> Sounds typically militant. >>> >>> You won't get any results with a message like this. It's the quickest way >>> to get your requests sent to /dev/null. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Feb 22, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >>> Look, here's how I see it. They've been telling us for about two years that they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box. Every single time one of us writes them about it, all we hear back is, "We're aware of the problem". I reckon it's high time one of us or maybe a bunch of us wrote them and frankly said something like this: " "Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, ""We're aware of it and are working on it."". Really? Where's the evidence of your work? You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see no results. To speak frankly, we are beginning to wonder wheterh or not you really actually care; even if you are aware. What do we have to do to make you understand that, if we're going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), we'd better be able to use it? What will it take?". Yes, I think at least one of us; or, as I said before, a number of us, ought to just put it out on the table just like that. Just one of us isn't enough. We need to do this on a daily basis until they realize that we WILL, NOT, BE, IGNORED!!! Thoughts? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:43 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > O can set it up fine. But you have a point there. > > On 22/02/2011, at 0:31, Jes Smith wrote: > >> Hi all. >> As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the >> Mac is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, >> developers would either write their code based on Apple's accessibility >> guidelines, or, there programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and >> white issue as far as I'm concerned. >> I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box >> menu, but now that we can't even set the client up without sighted help? >> And honestly, I don't think petitions would do a lot for our cause. >> Individual complaints have been sent to drop box for over two years, and >> they've done nothing to show us that they hear our cries for >> accessibility. I'd sign the petition, but don't think it will help much. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>
Re: [Bulk] Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box
I agree with this 100 %. On 2011-02-24, at 4:11 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > What a strange post. > > I have to say the same thing I did then. So what? Just because they choose > to ignore you, doesn't mean you should just give up. I will draw a parallel > but off course this was a much bigger deal. When African Americans marched > and petitioned for civil rights, I'm sure many people ignored them. But they > kept on. And many people are better off because they did. You feel it is a > hopeless cause and thats fine. But that doesn't mean people who don't are > out of touch with reality or something. I really have know idea what your > statement was suppose to mean. It's not like you said the Earth was round > and everyone else was saying it was flat and you just proved us wrong so know > you need a pat on the back or something. > > Ricardo Walker > rwalker...@gmail.com > Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 > > > > > On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:27 PM, louie wrote: > >> Like I said they don't care and they don't have to. >> Every one that put me down for saying the above what do you have to say now. >> >> On Feb 23, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: >> >>> well honestly I don't think it matters what we do short of a class action >>> lawsuit because like most things noone cares unless you bust them over the >>> head with a 2x4 lol most buisness people I uspect are abotu as stubborn as >>> mules >>> >>> On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Scott Granados wrote: >>> Sounds typically militant. You won't get any results with a message like this. It's the quickest way to get your requests sent to /dev/null. On Feb 22, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > Look, here's how I see it. They've been telling us for about two years > that they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box. Every > single time one of us writes them about it, all we hear back is, "We're > aware of the problem". I reckon it's high time one of us or maybe a > bunch of us wrote them and frankly said something like this: > > " > "Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility > problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, > ""We're aware of it and are working on it."". Really? Where's the > evidence of your work? You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see > no results. To speak frankly, we are beginning to wonder wheterh or not > you really actually care; even if you are aware. What do we have to do > to make you understand that, if we're going to use your service, > (especially if we're going to pay for it), we'd better be able to use it? > What will it take?". Yes, I think at least one of us; or, as I said > before, a number of us, ought to just put it out on the table just like > that. Just one of us isn't enough. We need to do this on a daily basis > until they realize that we WILL, NOT, BE, IGNORED!!! > > Thoughts? > > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! > > Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! > Skype name: > barefootedray > > Facebook: > facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 > > On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:43 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> O can set it up fine. But you have a point there. >> >> On 22/02/2011, at 0:31, Jes Smith wrote: >> >>> Hi all. >>> As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on >>> the Mac is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of >>> Apple, developers would either write their code based on Apple's >>> accessibility guidelines, or, there programs would just be rejected. >>> IT's a black and white issue as far as I'm concerned. >>> I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box >>> menu, but now that we can't even set the client up without sighted >>> help? And honestly, I don't think petitions would do a lot for our >>> cause. Individual complaints have been sent to drop box for over two >>> years, and they've done nothing to show us that they hear our cries for >>> accessibility. I'd sign the petition, but don't think it will help much. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com.
Re: Mac and PC accessibility: more similar or more different?
This is why I snicker. Diehard windows fans say how good jaws works. Works? Yeah, for the $1300 Canadian we pay here, it should! Imho, instead of adding useless features, fs needs to get with the program and get rid of bugs that have been evident since, oh, 7.0. I use fusion and NVDA. Jaws has seen the last bit of money from me and apple will see plenty more - and a year ago, I would have been saying it the other way around! Just my thoughts, though... On 2011-02-24, at 11:33 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > As far as web browsing is concerned, flash doesn't work well at all with VO, > whereas some Windows screen-readers have support to flash pages with built-in > accessibility elements. Other than saying this, though, I kind of shy away > from comparisons. If I really wanted to use Windows because I'm used to it, > I'd probably go the Bootcamp or Fusion route. I've left Windows behind for a > year now, so it's kind of a moot topic for me personally. > > Tee > On Feb 24, 2011, at 6:12 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: > >> Hum, I'm not really sure this is a relevant question. When it comes to >> features, mac is solid. Not every need is met at this point and there is >> still loads of room for improvement, but day to day I venture to say most >> computer users would never miss jaws. >> >> Let's take your case in point for example. Jaws doesn't support UIA yet. >> That means it doesn't work with IE9. Window-eyes and nvda both do. So, if >> you are running the latest mac OS which has nothing what-so-ever to do with >> UIA, then you might see a webpage beautifully. But it might be designed in >> html 5 geared towards the very latest browsing capabilities. So if you try >> it in IE8 it may not work as nicely, but if you are a jaws user and you >> upgrade to IE9, then no pages will work at all. But if you are an NVDA or >> window-eyes user then you may have no trouble. OR, the page may only have >> been tested in firefox. Maybe it's wonderful in firefox, but not nice at >> all in Safari or flavours of internet explorer. This is why no one is >> really doing what you're asking here. It just doesn't make sense to split >> hairs this way. You could second-guess yourself in circles all day at that >> rate. >> >> As far as web browsing goes, Voiceover and safari has features such as web >> element navigation, place markers and text search, but it also has features >> that no other system has, such as the item chooser, or the article reader >> which is part of safari, not voiceover. Then again, I really can't think of >> a single feature that window-eyes, jaws, or NVDA offers that voiceover >> doesn't. Not on the web at least. I'm sure there must be some, but I >> simply can't think of one, except for multi-browser support. With voiceover >> you get safari and webkit and that's about it. >> >> It comes down to what you want to do with a screen reader and a computer and >> only you can make those decisions. >> >> Best, >> >> Erik Burggraaf >> User support consultant, >> Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf, >> 1-888-255-5194 >> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com >> >> On 2011-02-24, at 2:29 AM, Pommette wrote: >> >>> Has anyone been systematically comparing how well access works between >>> VO and Windows-based programs like JAWS? Do the same accessibility >>> tests apply to both platforms, or will one be better for some things >>> than the other? I'm not raising this question as a contest - I'm >>> simply trying to understand how things work, and what assumptions I >>> can make. For example, if someone says that a site or program works >>> well with JAWS, can I be pretty sure that VO will also be happy? And >>> if something doesn't play well with VO, can I be indignant on behalf >>> of all who use screen readers? I know there are some huge contrasts as >>> with MS Word. But is this an exception? Thanks! >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > F
Re: Looking for keyboard commands for file, edit, view etc.
Hi Kevin, There is not such a thing. There is though the ability to type the first few letters of menus and menu options. That is, VO-m to bring focus to the menubar, "-e-s" to go to the Messages menu, down arrow to open the menu, then either arrow or type the first few letters of the menu option you wish to access. Alternatively, you have keyboard shortcuts like in Windows such as cmd-o to open, cmd-w to close etc. Many of the keyboard shortcuts are more or less the same as in Windows, just use the Command key instead of Control. Later... On 2011-02-24, at 11:27 AM, Kevin Gibbs wrote: > Guys, > I'm still learning to move from JAWS to VO, and from Windows to Mac. > What I'm looking for is the equivalent of Alt F for file menu, Alt E > for edit menu and so on. I don't want to always type VO M and then > right arrow tot he menu I want. I should be able to type something > like Command F for file, Command E for edit and so on. What's the > answer? > Thanks, > Kevin > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Mac OS X Lion
Wonders if there are any blind VoiceOver developers or beta testers? This is very important, considering this is a major Mac OS X update. It needs to be tested thoroughly. Based on polling Twitter, specific followers etc, I'm not sure if there are any blind VoiceOver beta testers of Lion. Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: i works
For a detailed and comprehensive look at Mac OS X iWork with VOiceOver, please see VoiceOver On podcast: http://VoiceOverOn.podbean.com. Kevin On Feb 23, 2011, at 4:26 AM, Stephanie Mitchell wrote: > Is i works accessi? > If not, what alternatives are there? > Steph > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iWork Numbers Detailed Look
Hi Jon, Aside from TIm Kilburn, who VOiceOver On Team had do demo; you are only one who has a knowledge of how spreadsheets work and provided anything useful. I wonder if you have experience with iWOrk Pages and/or KeyNote. VoiceOver On Team had ANne RObertson on to show those two applications. http://VoiceOverOn.podbean.com It would be great to have your thoughts on other aspects of iWork. I'll provide my comments inline. > I believe this was a more complete look. I had wished to see that changes > made would stick. > - THanks for listening, glad you found it to be complete, and you find iWOrk > Numbers accessibility to be lacking. > Some thoughts ffrom somebody that has used Numbers for about one hour... - It doesn't take that much time to figure out, knowledge of spreadsheets certainly helps. > > 1. Mouse clicking on cells is important. - Yes, it is, especially for selecting adjacent and non-adjacent cells, and other functions. VoiceOver does not have proper support here. > 2. It appears that Numbers likes most of the page style to be outside the > spreadsheet area. If one brings up one of the templates provided by Apple, > There are usually text and graphic boxes around the table / tables within the > layout area. - Other templates may result in VOiceOver accessibility issues when working with spreadsheet. > 4. Kevin appeared to be trying to do several things with styles. Header 1, > Header 2, Header 3. are inherited from HTML Where there are several header > levels. Since Tables (and actually Excel 2007 orgreater) want the user to > actually select rows as headers of a table this functionality is probably > better done that way. The other styles that were mentioned appered to be at > the format style of the numbers which Numbers calls something quite different > than Style. - styles attempted include: title, total, heading 1, heading 2, accent 20% etc. These are functional styles, not astetic ones, such as ones found in Numbers. These are not HTML styles. > I would be curious if a blind person could create a text box centered over > the top of a table . - VoiceOver isn't able to see or work with objects of any kind in Numbers. > > One other point... Numbers seems to not be fixed with the idea that the > fifth column is "E" This was something I first saw on the NeXT Operating > System under a Lotus product. Can anybody explain how this works when > starting a new sheet or table? - There are many things Numbers and VOiceOver does not understand about spreadsheets. > > Jon > > Jonathan C. Cohn > jonc...@cox.net > > > > On Feb 20, 2011, at 3:50 PM, Kevin Chao wrote: > >> Apple iWork Numbers detailed look: selection, formulas, fills, styles >> and more. http://VoiceOverOn.podbean.com >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: testing brailledisplays for mac and iphone4
Ahmed: can you input from the keyboard on the focus in to your iPhone and Macbook? I have an old pacmate 40 display that only works with USB. I can get it to display braille fine, but, I can't get any of the routing buttons to work on the display, they do absolutely nothing. The Focus 40 blue is much more advanced and has a braille keyboard. If that all works, it might be worth me looking in to it. On Feb 23, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Ahmed Alomran wrote: > hi all > i use my braille focus 40 blue connected to my mac book, iphone 3 G S, Ipod > touch and Ipad. I haven't experienced any problems in connecting the focus 40 > blue with all these devices. > kind regards. > Ahmed. > > On 23 Feb 2011, at 14:45, Søren Jensen wrote: > >> Hi. >> >> The reason for it won't work might be because you don't search for the >> Bluetooth displays from Settings, general, accessibility, VOiceover and >> Braille. >> Best regards: >> Søren Jensen >> mail & MSN: >> s...@coolfortheblind.dk >> Website: >> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ >> >> Den 23/02/2011 kl. 14.55 skrev William Windels: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I have tested some brailledisplays with iphone4 and macbook (last versions >>> of the os). >>> I am interested in one of the following displays: >>> Eurobraille ESYS40 >>> Papenmeier Trio >>> focus 40 blue >>> >>> >>> I was able to connect the esys40 with my macbook with bluetooth and usb. >>> The bluetooth was only working when I put out the sd-card. >>> With the iphone4 , I had no success at all. >>> The iPhone was searching for a display but it wasn't possible for the >>> iphone4 to see that display. >>> The strange thing is that it has worked after some trial and errors with >>> the iphone4 of another person. >>> >>> The only thing you can do for searching bluetooth devices with the iphone >>> is in settings/global/bluetooth? >>> >>> The focus40 was working with the macbook but we haven't tested it with the >>> iphone4. >>> >>> The Papenmeier Trio wasn't in the company to test this morning but any >>> comments about this device for the iphone4 and the macbook are also very >>> welcome. >>> >>> Also, is there an option on the iphone4 to set some options for the code >>> that you need to use for pairing? >>> On the macbook, there are some options to specify but, it seems , not on >>> the iphone4. >>> >>> Thanx alot for your answers, >>> >>> best regards, >>> William Windels >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mac OS X Lion
If there are, you very likely will never hear about them. NDA's and all that. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY On Feb 24, 2011, at 6:23 PM, Kevin Chao wrote: > Wonders if there are any blind VoiceOver developers or beta testers? This is > very important, considering this is a major Mac OS X update. It needs to be > tested thoroughly. Based on polling Twitter, specific followers etc, I'm not > sure if there are any blind VoiceOver beta testers of Lion. > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: 27 inch iMac Firewire chipset question
Very well put Esther, and thanks so much for the info. Very handy stuff. In addition to the points you made, I use Boot Camp to run a number of audio recording programs, and when running under Windows 7, I've encountered issues with the non Texas Instruments Firewire port with a number of audio interfaces. Texas Instruments chipsets just tend not to have any of these issues. Justin On Feb 23, 2011, at 6:30 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Michael, > > With the newer chipset for the Firewire port, there is more latency in the > recording process. This was a big factor in the decision by professional > musicians of which computer to get, going all the way back to the initial > MacBook Pro releases (pre-Unibody design). Justin, or someone who is using > their Mac for professional music recording could doubtless give you a better > answer. Also, when there is only one Firewire port, you need to think very > carefully about the order of your devices in the chain. > > Cheers, > > Esther > > On Feb 23, 2011, at 13:18, Michael Thurman wrote: > >> why does the chipset matter? just curious as i have never used firewire >> >> On Feb 22, 2011, at 6:59 PM, Justin Kauflin wrote: >> >>> I'm thinking about purchasing the 27 inch iMac but had one question before >>> making the leap. Does anyone have any idea whether the newest models have >>> a Texas Instruments chipset for the Firewire port? >>> >>> I called Apple, and they wouldn't say. This was a real bummer, as the >>> chipset on this thing is going to be a deal breaker for me. >>> >>> If anyone has one of these models and isn't sure how to find out what the >>> chipset is, as far as I know, you can find it out if you have boot camp >>> running. The device manager in Windows tells you the manufacturer of the >>> chipset.. >>> >>> Thanks to anyone who might be able to hook me up with this info. >>> >>> Justin >>> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mac OS X Lion
Kevin: What are you talking about? Who wonders? How did Lion come up? I'd beta test if they need people. But, I haven't heard word one about any of this. Carolyn H On Feb 24, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Kevin Chao wrote: > Wonders if there are any blind VoiceOver developers or beta testers? This is > very important, considering this is a major Mac OS X update. It needs to be > tested thoroughly. Based on polling Twitter, specific followers etc, I'm not > sure if there are any blind VoiceOver beta testers of Lion. > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mac OS X Lion
I'd like to be one. I just don't have the hardware to dedicate to the task. :( -Eric On Feb 24, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Kevin Chao wrote: > Wonders if there are any blind VoiceOver developers or beta testers? This is > very important, considering this is a major Mac OS X update. It needs to be > tested thoroughly. Based on polling Twitter, specific followers etc, I'm not > sure if there are any blind VoiceOver beta testers of Lion. > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mac OS X Lion
i just hope the ram requirements aren't higher this time. On Feb 24, 2011, at 8:39 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: > I'd like to be one. I just don't have the hardware to dedicate to the task. :( > > -Eric > > On Feb 24, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Kevin Chao wrote: > >> Wonders if there are any blind VoiceOver developers or beta testers? This is >> very important, considering this is a major Mac OS X update. It needs to be >> tested thoroughly. Based on polling Twitter, specific followers etc, I'm not >> sure if there are any blind VoiceOver beta testers of Lion. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mac OS X Lion
Hi Carolyn, lol, um, I think he wonders? Let me try to clear it up a little. Today Apple released a OSX 10.7 Lion developer preview. So Kevin was just wondering if we are being represented among the testers. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 On Feb 24, 2011, at 8:07 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: > Kevin: > What are you talking about? Who wonders? How did Lion come up? I'd beta > test if they need people. But, I haven't heard word one about any of this. > > Carolyn H > On Feb 24, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Kevin Chao wrote: > >> Wonders if there are any blind VoiceOver developers or beta testers? This is >> very important, considering this is a major Mac OS X update. It needs to be >> tested thoroughly. Based on polling Twitter, specific followers etc, I'm not >> sure if there are any blind VoiceOver beta testers of Lion. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mac OS X Lion
Well it does not take a whole lot to be able to test... You need to have a machine that you can live with if it does not work, and you need to register as an Apple developer. I believe indivduals can become developers for $100. Check the Apple developers web site for more details. Also of interest, Tidbits says that the Lion Preview is installed via the Appstore. Jonathan Jonathan C. Cohn jonc...@cox.net On Feb 24, 2011, at 6:23 PM, Kevin Chao wrote: > Wonders if there are any blind VoiceOver developers or beta testers? This is > very important, considering this is a major Mac OS X update. It needs to be > tested thoroughly. Based on polling Twitter, specific followers etc, I'm not > sure if there are any blind VoiceOver beta testers of Lion. > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mac OS X Lion
how can you become one? I've got a MBP15 with 4M RAM and lots of space left on my internal. Whose finger do I pull? :) • Mark BurningHawk Baxter • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com • My home page: • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mac OS X Lion
I am unwilling to take my one working mac and install a beta OS on it. I don't want to lose what I have now. I seriously need to find a used mac mini to do this with. my old core 2 duo imac is getting a little long in the tooth for this. -Eric On Feb 24, 2011, at 6:51 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: > Well it does not take a whole lot to be able to test... You need to have a > machine that you can live with if it does not work, and you need to register > as an Apple developer. I believe indivduals can become developers for $100. > Check the Apple developers web site for more details. > > Also of interest, Tidbits says that the Lion Preview is installed via the > Appstore. > > Jonathan > Jonathan C. Cohn > jonc...@cox.net > > > > On Feb 24, 2011, at 6:23 PM, Kevin Chao wrote: > >> Wonders if there are any blind VoiceOver developers or beta testers? This is >> very important, considering this is a major Mac OS X update. It needs to be >> tested thoroughly. Based on polling Twitter, specific followers etc, I'm not >> sure if there are any blind VoiceOver beta testers of Lion. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mac OS X Lion
Go to http://developer.apple.com/devcenter/mac/index.action and click on the "lion" link. I am not currently registered so I could not get past the sign on page. Jonathan C. Cohn jonc...@cox.net On Feb 24, 2011, at 8:52 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: > how can you become one? I've got a MBP15 with 4M RAM and lots of space left > on my internal. Whose finger do I pull? :) > > > • Mark BurningHawk Baxter > • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > • MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com > • My home page: > • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
when i launch mac scan "voice over has no windows"
hey all i red on this list that mac scan was accsessable but every time i launch it voice over sais "voice over has no windows" and just dings at me!! does any one know how to solv this problem? your help with problem would be most welcom!! kind regards trahern. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Mac OS X Lion
Do you think my mac will run it? I have a regular mac book with two gigs of ram. Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87 Skype: leogirl48 Facebook: jawsgir...@gmail.com -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:46 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mac OS X Lion i just hope the ram requirements aren't higher this time. On Feb 24, 2011, at 8:39 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: > I'd like to be one. I just don't have the hardware to dedicate to the task. :( > > -Eric > > On Feb 24, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Kevin Chao wrote: > >> Wonders if there are any blind VoiceOver developers or beta testers? This is very important, considering this is a major Mac OS X update. It needs to be tested thoroughly. Based on polling Twitter, specific followers etc, I'm not sure if there are any blind VoiceOver beta testers of Lion. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
music notation and the mac?
Hi, Let me ask this with care so you follow what I mean. Is there a voiceover friendly mac program for creating music notation, say for sheet music and arrangements? For example, in Linux there is a program called Lilypond, which is totally command line so speech friendly. I am not so much thinking about composing, although that answer is fine too. Instead I am thinking of creating printed music for other musicians to read. site for Lilypond is: www.lilypond.org In case you want a peek. thanks, Kare -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: music notation and the mac?
Nope not that I'm aware of if you want something like sibaelius or how ever you spell it there is nothing that I"m aware of that is accessibil for the mac as far as I'm aware. I also arange and write music so I too am interested in this Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Feb 24, 2011, at 9:37 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Hi, > Let me ask this with care so you follow what I mean. > Is there a voiceover friendly mac program for creating music notation, say > for sheet music and arrangements? > For example, in Linux there is a program called Lilypond, which is totally > command line so speech friendly. > I am not so much thinking about composing, although that answer is fine too. > Instead I am thinking of creating printed music for other musicians to read. > site for Lilypond is: > www.lilypond.org > In case you want a peek. > thanks, Kare > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
