Yeah, but the thing is, we're such a tiny piece of the market that our money doesn't do anything here nor there. Just think for a while, how many are blind in the world, and i mean all of the world? How many of the blind are using an Apple product? How many of those Apple product users are on this list? How many lurkers do we have? How many are active? Let's just imagine that we are 10 active, and i mean that write to this list at least once a week, How much would that do for a program developer that has 150000 sighties? Not much i should say, so to demand that accessibility should be considered as criminal is ridiculous at least to my ears. I'm not saying we shouldn't make the developers aware of our needs, because we should, and often they listen and do good stuff, but maybe we shouldn't get our expectations up to high either.
/Krister 24 feb 2011 kl. 13.25 skrev Michael Thurman: > yes but when an ap WAS accessible and no longer is that should be criminal > and is disghusting let's hope that they give a damn and fix it if all > developers didn't care abot s we wouldn't have the mac at all and i think > apple does realise that alot of us are trning to the mac for accessibility > and I hope they understand that we will turn as quickly away and sell our > expensive pretty machies if they become inaccessible > On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Jim Barbour wrote: > >> Er, apologies for the reference to the iTunes store. I forgot which >> list I was writing to. >> >> My point stands though. It is not realistic to assume that every Mac >> application should be voiceover friendly before the developer can make >> money from it. >> >> Jim >> >> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:39:40PM -0800, Jim Barbour wrote: >>> Are you suggesting that every developer should make sure that every >>> app is VO accessible before the app store carries it? That wuld be >>> tantamount to saying that every app must be availble in, insert >>> obscure written language here, before it could be sold in the iTunes >>> store. >>> >>> So, I say to pick your battles and try to be nice to the folks you're >>> negotiating with. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:27:51PM -0800, louie wrote: >>>> Like I said they don't care and they don't have to. >>>> Every one that put me down for saying the above what do you have to say >>>> now. >>>> >>>> On Feb 23, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: >>>> >>>>> well honestly I don't think it matters what we do short of a class action >>>>> lawsuit because like most things noone cares unless you bust them over >>>>> the head with a 2x4 lol most buisness people I uspect are abotu as >>>>> stubborn as mules >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Scott Granados wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Sounds typically militant. >>>>>> >>>>>> You won't get any results with a message like this. It's the quickest >>>>>> way to get your requests sent to /dev/null. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 22, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Look, here's how I see it. They've been telling us for about two years >>>>>>> that they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box. Every >>>>>>> single time one of us writes them about it, all we hear back is, "We're >>>>>>> aware of the problem". I reckon it's high time one of us or maybe a >>>>>>> bunch of us wrote them and frankly said something like this: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> " >>>>>>> "Every single time any one of us has written you about the >>>>>>> accessibility problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear >>>>>>> from you is, ""We're aware of it and are working on it."". Really? >>>>>>> Where's the evidence of your work? You keep saying that you are aware, >>>>>>> yet, we see no results. To speak frankly, we are beginning to wonder >>>>>>> wheterh or not you really actually care; even if you are aware. What >>>>>>> do we have to do to make you understand that, if we're going to use >>>>>>> your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), we'd better be >>>>>>> able to use it? What will it take?". Yes, I think at least one of us; >>>>>>> or, as I said before, a number of us, ought to just put it out on the >>>>>>> table just like that. Just one of us isn't enough. We need to do this >>>>>>> on a daily basis until they realize that we WILL, NOT, BE, IGNORED!!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thoughts? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! >>>>>>> Skype name: >>>>>>> barefootedray >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Facebook: >>>>>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:43 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> O can set it up fine. But you have a point there. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 22/02/2011, at 0:31, Jes Smith <theeternal...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi all. >>>>>>>>> As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on >>>>>>>>> the Mac is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of >>>>>>>>> Apple, developers would either write their code based on Apple's >>>>>>>>> accessibility guidelines, or, there programs would just be rejected. >>>>>>>>> IT's a black and white issue as far as I'm concerned. >>>>>>>>> I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box >>>>>>>>> menu, but now that we can't even set the client up without sighted >>>>>>>>> help? And honestly, I don't think petitions would do a lot for our >>>>>>>>> cause. Individual complaints have been sent to drop box for over two >>>>>>>>> years, and they've done nothing to show us that they hear our cries >>>>>>>>> for accessibility. 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