Re: The Resetting of Prams

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Les,

On 2 Dec 2010, at 04:00, Les Kriegler wrote:
> 
> 
> A couple of comments/questions here.  First, this is a very difficult 
> keystroke to execute.  You're talking about typing five keystrokes at once, I 
> cannot do this.  I can hit Command-Option P with my right hand, hit the 
> button to power on the machine with my left hand, and then while holding down 
> the 3 keys, race over before hearing the music and hit the R key.
You must be using a desktop machine. On all the laptops I've had, I've been 
able to hold down the Command and Option keys with my left thumb, the R key 
with my left middle finger, the P key with my right thumb and the Power button 
with my right middle finger.

On a desktop machine, you would have to move the keyboard close to the Power 
button to be able to do this alone.

> I don't hear 4 chimes, I hear a buzzing sound 4 times, then the normal 
> startup sound again.  Am I executing the reset procedure properly?
I don't think so. I always hear the chimes.

>  How does one know that it actually worked?
Hearing the chimes tells you that it's working and if problems go away that 
didn't go away with just a restart, then that's more evidence that it's worked.

Cheers,

Anne

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can't wait to don the tron shoes

[Yuma Decaux]

Hi list,

This might, to some point have accessibility and apple mixed in it, but i just 
wanted to express my mad wait for the adidas tron shoes. Orion elastomeric 
light fabric stitched to some probably awesome looking sport shoes.

So where does accessiblity come into this? Well, light and glow means i can 
walk in the dark and look like a mobile AFP server or something.

And what about the inclusion or relation with apple? Tron is disney, disney is 
steve jobs, steve jobs is apple :)


Ps: does anyone know when tron is coming out?




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Re: The Resetting of Prams

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Ann,

I have a laptop.  I tried the combination of fingers you suggested.  I held 
down all 5 keys.  What I heard as I was holding down the keys was the buzzing 
sound and the startup sound over and over.  I finally let go of the keys and 
the system booted.  I never hear what I would consider to be a chime, just the 
normal startup sound.  So I'm guessing this has not worked yet for me?

Les

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Re: Is there an accessible Usenet client

[Massimo Vettoretti]

Il giorno 02/dic/2010, alle ore 06.34, Jude DaShiell ha scritto:
> Pine can do nntp if configured properly.  So can alpine.
Maybe I have to be more specific. What I need and I am looking for is an 
accessible Usenet client with accessible graphical user Interface. The woman I 
am helping is making her switch from Windows to MacOsX; under windows she was 
used to manage e-mails, RSS Feeds and usenet with mozilla Thunderbird. Playing 
with terminal windows may not be very advisable, right now! :-)

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Re: The Resetting of Prams

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Les,

You hold down the Command, Option, R and P keys but just press the Power button 
once. Sorry I didn't make that clear in the first place.

Cheers,

Anne


On 2 Dec 2010, at 09:34, Les Kriegler wrote:

> Hi Ann,
> 
> I have a laptop.  I tried the combination of fingers you suggested.  I held 
> down all 5 keys.  What I heard as I was holding down the keys was the buzzing 
> sound and the startup sound over and over.  I finally let go of the keys and 
> the system booted.  I never hear what I would consider to be a chime, just 
> the normal startup sound.  So I'm guessing this has not worked yet for me?
> 
> Les
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Re: The Resetting of Prams

[Eric Oyen]

I use both hands on the keyboard and stick my big toe on the power button. 
works for me. 

-Eric

On Dec 2, 2010, at 1:01 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Les,
> 
> On 2 Dec 2010, at 04:00, Les Kriegler wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> A couple of comments/questions here.  First, this is a very difficult 
>> keystroke to execute.  You're talking about typing five keystrokes at once, 
>> I cannot do this.  I can hit Command-Option P with my right hand, hit the 
>> button to power on the machine with my left hand, and then while holding 
>> down the 3 keys, race over before hearing the music and hit the R key.
> You must be using a desktop machine. On all the laptops I've had, I've been 
> able to hold down the Command and Option keys with my left thumb, the R key 
> with my left middle finger, the P key with my right thumb and the Power 
> button with my right middle finger.
> 
> On a desktop machine, you would have to move the keyboard close to the Power 
> button to be able to do this alone.
> 
>> I don't hear 4 chimes, I hear a buzzing sound 4 times, then the normal 
>> startup sound again.  Am I executing the reset procedure properly?
> I don't think so. I always hear the chimes.
> 
>> How does one know that it actually worked?
> Hearing the chimes tells you that it's working and if problems go away that 
> didn't go away with just a restart, then that's more evidence that it's 
> worked.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
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Re: can't wait to don the tron shoes

[Oriol Gómez]

heh

On 12/2/10, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
> Hi list,
>
> This might, to some point have accessibility and apple mixed in it, but i
> just wanted to express my mad wait for the adidas tron shoes. Orion
> elastomeric light fabric stitched to some probably awesome looking sport
> shoes.
>
> So where does accessiblity come into this? Well, light and glow means i can
> walk in the dark and look like a mobile AFP server or something.
>
> And what about the inclusion or relation with apple? Tron is disney, disney
> is steve jobs, steve jobs is apple :)
>
>
> Ps: does anyone know when tron is coming out?
>
>
>
>
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>
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Re: The Resetting of Prams

[Courtney Curran]

Hi,
What exactly are prams, and why and how often do you need to reset them?
Courtney

On Dec 2, 2010, at 4:28 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Les,
> 
> You hold down the Command, Option, R and P keys but just press the Power 
> button once. Sorry I didn't make that clear in the first place.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 2 Dec 2010, at 09:34, Les Kriegler wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ann,
>> 
>> I have a laptop.  I tried the combination of fingers you suggested.  I held 
>> down all 5 keys.  What I heard as I was holding down the keys was the 
>> buzzing sound and the startup sound over and over.  I finally let go of the 
>> keys and the system booted.  I never hear what I would consider to be a 
>> chime, just the normal startup sound.  So I'm guessing this has not worked 
>> yet for me?
>> 
>> Les
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Re: OK, Apple TV is Here and a handy Remote

[Kevin Mattingly]

The $99 apple Tv, I think it is model 2, has voice over. It didn't come out of 
the box with it though. When I hooked it up, it had to run an update before 
VoiceOver was there.

Kev
On Dec 1, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:

> Ok, so what part does voiceover play and if I get the one without a hard 
> drive, that is the model with vo?  Sorry if these are stupid questions, but I 
> have gigs and gigs of music which I can't play on our Bose, and this looks 
> like it might solve my problem.  Before I go to the Apple store, I want to at 
> least look like I know what I'm talking about.  Does vo speak menus?  Could I 
> get them to show me that in the store?  Again, sorry for so many questions.  
> I don't know how you people keep all this stuff straight, LOL!
> 
> Marlaina
> On Dec 1, 2010, at 4:11 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
> 
> Both apple tv's are just boxes; you provide the tv and apple provides
> the device you connect to it.
> 
> On 02/12/2010, Marlaina Lieberg <1guide...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Scott,
>> 
>> Is this the little box or is it an actual tv?  I know they do have a real tv
>> with a picture and such.
>> 
>> Marlaina
>> On Dec 1, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>> Jeff,
>> 
>> The new Apple TV is the only one that will have VOiceOver. You do not want
>> the version with an internal hard drive.
>> Scott
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 1, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Jeff Berwick wrote:
>> 
>>> I notice that there is an Apple TV and an Apple TV with 160 GB harddrive.
>>> The specs don't talk about a harddrive.  Does the Apple TV come with a
>>> harddrive and, if so, what size is it?
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> On 2010-12-01, at 1:09 PM, Hai Nguyen wrote:
>>> 
 Kevin,
 The requested information is attached.
 On Dec 1, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
 
> So the apple tv arrives via fedex today. I take it out of the box and
> yep, it looks cool, kind of space age like. I unwrapped it and then the
> remote. I decide oh well, what do these buttons on the remote do
> (curiosity killed the cat). Whala, press the button and my Mac mini
> fires up ITunes and starts playing the first song in the list. Does
> anyone have a list of how to functions for the remote? I haven't hooked
> up the TV yet because I don't have the handy dandy HDMI cable. Once I
> hook it up, get it running and play with it some, I'll pass along any
> learnings.
> 
> Kev
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Re: OK, Apple TV is Here and a handy Remote

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi kevin,

That may not be the same on all of them. They probably didn't all have 4.1 at 
the time, though I suspect future shipments probably will.

Over here, not all devices of the same generation have the latest update 
applied in the shops, or even when delivered. In most cases they do where I a, 
though.

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On Dec 2, 2010, at 1:56 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:

> The $99 apple Tv, I think it is model 2, has voice over. It didn't come out 
> of the box with it though. When I hooked it up, it had to run an update 
> before VoiceOver was there.
> 
> Kev
> On Dec 1, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
> 
>> Ok, so what part does voiceover play and if I get the one without a hard 
>> drive, that is the model with vo?  Sorry if these are stupid questions, but 
>> I have gigs and gigs of music which I can't play on our Bose, and this looks 
>> like it might solve my problem.  Before I go to the Apple store, I want to 
>> at least look like I know what I'm talking about.  Does vo speak menus?  
>> Could I get them to show me that in the store?  Again, sorry for so many 
>> questions.  I don't know how you people keep all this stuff straight, LOL!
>> 
>> Marlaina
>> On Dec 1, 2010, at 4:11 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>> 
>> Both apple tv's are just boxes; you provide the tv and apple provides
>> the device you connect to it.
>> 
>> On 02/12/2010, Marlaina Lieberg <1guide...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Scott,
>>> 
>>> Is this the little box or is it an actual tv?  I know they do have a real tv
>>> with a picture and such.
>>> 
>>> Marlaina
>>> On Dec 1, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jeff,
>>> 
>>> The new Apple TV is the only one that will have VOiceOver. You do not want
>>> the version with an internal hard drive.
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Jeff Berwick wrote:
>>> 
 I notice that there is an Apple TV and an Apple TV with 160 GB harddrive.
 The specs don't talk about a harddrive.  Does the Apple TV come with a
 harddrive and, if so, what size is it?
 
 Thx,
 Jeff
 
 On 2010-12-01, at 1:09 PM, Hai Nguyen wrote:
 
> Kevin,
> The requested information is attached.
> On Dec 1, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
> 
>> So the apple tv arrives via fedex today. I take it out of the box and
>> yep, it looks cool, kind of space age like. I unwrapped it and then the
>> remote. I decide oh well, what do these buttons on the remote do
>> (curiosity killed the cat). Whala, press the button and my Mac mini
>> fires up ITunes and starts playing the first song in the list. Does
>> anyone have a list of how to functions for the remote? I haven't hooked
>> up the TV yet because I don't have the handy dandy HDMI cable. Once I
>> hook it up, get it running and play with it some, I'll pass along any
>> learnings.
>> 
>> Kev
>> 
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Handy Tech Braille Support for Apple Portible Devices

[Isaac Obie]

This might be of interest to those of you who have handytech braille 
displays. Now you can have iphone support for a price.

Isaac
- Original Message - 
From: "Earle Harrison" 

Cc: "Handy tech north america" 
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 6:29 AM
Subject: Handy Tech Braille Support for Apple Portible Devices



Hello Folks,

with the release of Apple's iOS 4.21 the Handy Tech Braille displays are 
supported via Bluetooth. Now you have access to your iPod Touch, iPad and 
iPhone (3 GS and 4).


all models of Braille Wave and Braille Star 40 equipped with Bluetooth are 
supported. With Easy Braille and Braillino you need to update the 
Bluetooth chip if your product was manufactured prior to   the following 
serial numbers:


Braillinos from serial number 09308
Easy Brailles from serial number 09124.

Previously, the BraillIno and EasyBraille used a bluetooth chip that was 
and still is well supported by several Windows screen readers and devices; 
however, for reasons too complicated to go into here, Apple has elected 
not to support this module at this time.


United States and Canadian Customers who have a BraillIno or EasyBraille 
with the older module may now have these devices updated to the newer 
Bluetooth module for $300.  If you are not interested in using your 
BraillIno or EasyBraille with one of the Apple portable devices, the 
update is not necessary.


As always, please feel free to contact Handy Tech North America at:

651-636-5184

or by e-mail at:

i...@handytech.us

should you have any questions about the Bluetooth update or any of the 
adaptive technology solutions we offer.


Sincerely,

Earle Harrison
President
Handy Tech North America




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Re: OK, Apple TV is Here and a handy Remote

[Kevin Mattingly]

Thats true. This one was shipped from China or just outside of Hong Kong. Once 
the update was applied, it worked like gang busters. Now I just have to figure 
out how to switch between the different inputs on the TV.

Kev
On Dec 2, 2010, at 7:59 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi kevin,
> 
> That may not be the same on all of them. They probably didn't all have 4.1 at 
> the time, though I suspect future shipments probably will.
> 
> Over here, not all devices of the same generation have the latest update 
> applied in the shops, or even when delivered. In most cases they do where I 
> a, though.
> 
> Regards,
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> On Dec 2, 2010, at 1:56 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
> 
>> The $99 apple Tv, I think it is model 2, has voice over. It didn't come out 
>> of the box with it though. When I hooked it up, it had to run an update 
>> before VoiceOver was there.
>> 
>> Kev
>> On Dec 1, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, so what part does voiceover play and if I get the one without a hard 
>>> drive, that is the model with vo?  Sorry if these are stupid questions, but 
>>> I have gigs and gigs of music which I can't play on our Bose, and this 
>>> looks like it might solve my problem.  Before I go to the Apple store, I 
>>> want to at least look like I know what I'm talking about.  Does vo speak 
>>> menus?  Could I get them to show me that in the store?  Again, sorry for so 
>>> many questions.  I don't know how you people keep all this stuff straight, 
>>> LOL!
>>> 
>>> Marlaina
>>> On Dec 1, 2010, at 4:11 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>>> 
>>> Both apple tv's are just boxes; you provide the tv and apple provides
>>> the device you connect to it.
>>> 
>>> On 02/12/2010, Marlaina Lieberg <1guide...@gmail.com> wrote:
 Scott,
 
 Is this the little box or is it an actual tv?  I know they do have a real 
 tv
 with a picture and such.
 
 Marlaina
 On Dec 1, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
 
 Jeff,
 
 The new Apple TV is the only one that will have VOiceOver. You do not want
 the version with an internal hard drive.
 Scott
 
 
 
 
 
 On Dec 1, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Jeff Berwick wrote:
 
> I notice that there is an Apple TV and an Apple TV with 160 GB harddrive.
> The specs don't talk about a harddrive.  Does the Apple TV come with a
> harddrive and, if so, what size is it?
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
> On 2010-12-01, at 1:09 PM, Hai Nguyen wrote:
> 
>> Kevin,
>> The requested information is attached.
>> On Dec 1, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
>> 
>>> So the apple tv arrives via fedex today. I take it out of the box and
>>> yep, it looks cool, kind of space age like. I unwrapped it and then the
>>> remote. I decide oh well, what do these buttons on the remote do
>>> (curiosity killed the cat). Whala, press the button and my Mac mini
>>> fires up ITunes and starts playing the first song in the list. Does
>>> anyone have a list of how to functions for the remote? I haven't hooked
>>> up the TV yet because I don't have the handy dandy HDMI cable. Once I
>>> hook it up, get it running and play with it some, I'll pass along any
>>> learnings.
>>> 
>>> Kev
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Re: OK, Apple TV is Here and a handy Remote

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hello Kevin,

I've always been curious as to what the TV is really for. I want one just to 
have one, but since Denmark doesn't even have movies anymore much less rentals, 
I'm not sure it'd even be useful.

I'm tempted to buy one just to have one, but not sure if it'd even be worth it 
for me. I guess by the time we finally get an accessible TV that talks, I'd be 
happy. I like channels more than renting my movies. I don't mind renting at 
all, but sometimes, I just like to flick through channels and attempt to find 
something that isn't garbage.

Regards,
Nic
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On Dec 2, 2010, at 2:37 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:

> Thats true. This one was shipped from China or just outside of Hong Kong. 
> Once the update was applied, it worked like gang busters. Now I just have to 
> figure out how to switch between the different inputs on the TV.
> 
> Kev
> On Dec 2, 2010, at 7:59 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi kevin,
>> 
>> That may not be the same on all of them. They probably didn't all have 4.1 
>> at the time, though I suspect future shipments probably will.
>> 
>> Over here, not all devices of the same generation have the latest update 
>> applied in the shops, or even when delivered. In most cases they do where I 
>> a, though.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
>> GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com
>> Facebook
>> Twitter
>> Skype: Kvalme
>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>> Yahoo! Messenger: cin368
>> AIM: cincinster
>> 
>> On Dec 2, 2010, at 1:56 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
>> 
>>> The $99 apple Tv, I think it is model 2, has voice over. It didn't come out 
>>> of the box with it though. When I hooked it up, it had to run an update 
>>> before VoiceOver was there.
>>> 
>>> Kev
>>> On Dec 1, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>>> 
 Ok, so what part does voiceover play and if I get the one without a hard 
 drive, that is the model with vo?  Sorry if these are stupid questions, 
 but I have gigs and gigs of music which I can't play on our Bose, and this 
 looks like it might solve my problem.  Before I go to the Apple store, I 
 want to at least look like I know what I'm talking about.  Does vo speak 
 menus?  Could I get them to show me that in the store?  Again, sorry for 
 so many questions.  I don't know how you people keep all this stuff 
 straight, LOL!
 
 Marlaina
 On Dec 1, 2010, at 4:11 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
 
 Both apple tv's are just boxes; you provide the tv and apple provides
 the device you connect to it.
 
 On 02/12/2010, Marlaina Lieberg <1guide...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Scott,
> 
> Is this the little box or is it an actual tv?  I know they do have a real 
> tv
> with a picture and such.
> 
> Marlaina
> On Dec 1, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> The new Apple TV is the only one that will have VOiceOver. You do not want
> the version with an internal hard drive.
> Scott
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 1, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Jeff Berwick wrote:
> 
>> I notice that there is an Apple TV and an Apple TV with 160 GB harddrive.
>> The specs don't talk about a harddrive.  Does the Apple TV come with a
>> harddrive and, if so, what size is it?
>> 
>> Thx,
>> Jeff
>> 
>> On 2010-12-01, at 1:09 PM, Hai Nguyen wrote:
>> 
>>> Kevin,
>>> The requested information is attached.
>>> On Dec 1, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
>>> 
 So the apple tv arrives via fedex today. I take it out of the box and
 yep, it looks cool, kind of space age like. I unwrapped it and then the
 remote. I decide oh well, what do these buttons on the remote do
 (curiosity killed the cat). Whala, press the button and my Mac mini
 fires up ITunes and starts playing the first song in the list. Does
 anyone have a list of how to functions for the remote? I haven't hooked
 up the TV yet because I don't have the handy dandy HDMI cable. Once I
 hook it up, get it running and play with it some, I'll pass along any
 learnings.
 
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Re: can't wait to don the tron shoes

[Carolyn Haas]

Hi Yuma:
I guess unless your fingers are doing the walking and they're wearing the 
shoes, this isn't really Mac related.   However, nice as the shoes might be, I 
don't recommend using them on your Mac for anything.

Hope you get them soon, and perhaps you can review them in your blog?:)

Carolyn Haas
On Dec 2, 2010, at 1:33 AM, H Decaux wrote:

> Hi list,
> 
> This might, to some point have accessibility and apple mixed in it, but i 
> just wanted to express my mad wait for the adidas tron shoes. Orion 
> elastomeric light fabric stitched to some probably awesome looking sport 
> shoes.
> 
> So where does accessiblity come into this? Well, light and glow means i can 
> walk in the dark and look like a mobile AFP server or something.
> 
> And what about the inclusion or relation with apple? Tron is disney, disney 
> is steve jobs, steve jobs is apple :)
> 
> 
> Ps: does anyone know when tron is coming out?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Light has no value without darkness"
> 
> blog: http://www.theblindsamurai.com
> twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7
> Tel: +64 210 22 77 190 
> Phnom Penh: +85589900095
> 
> 
> 
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Re: can't wait to don the tron shoes

[Bob Hill]

Maybe he has a *huge* trackpad that he's not telling us about.

Bob

On Dec 2, 2010, at 9:20 AM, Carolyn Haas wrote:

> Hi Yuma:
> I guess unless your fingers are doing the walking and they're wearing the 
> shoes, this isn't really Mac related.   However, nice as the shoes might be, 
> I don't recommend using them on your Mac for anything.
> 
> Hope you get them soon, and perhaps you can review them in your blog?:)
> 
> Carolyn Haas
> On Dec 2, 2010, at 1:33 AM, H Decaux wrote:
> 
>> Hi list,
>> 
>> This might, to some point have accessibility and apple mixed in it, but i 
>> just wanted to express my mad wait for the adidas tron shoes. Orion 
>> elastomeric light fabric stitched to some probably awesome looking sport 
>> shoes.
>> 
>> So where does accessiblity come into this? Well, light and glow means i can 
>> walk in the dark and look like a mobile AFP server or something.
>> 
>> And what about the inclusion or relation with apple? Tron is disney, disney 
>> is steve jobs, steve jobs is apple :)
>> 
>> 
>> Ps: does anyone know when tron is coming out?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "Light has no value without darkness"
>> 
>> blog: http://www.theblindsamurai.com
>> twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7
>> Tel: +64 210 22 77 190 
>> Phnom Penh: +85589900095
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Small Preview Issue

[Doug Lawlor]

Hello list:
I am having a small Preview issue. When I go to the image sidebar and select a 
page to read and then go back to the text box and interact with the current 
text of the page I get sent back to the page I was previously reading. Has 
anyone else noticed this? How did you go about fixing it?

Thanks, 

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Re: OK, Apple TV is Here and a handy Remote

[Kevin Mattingly]

If you get netflicks at some point in time, you'll be in great shape. That 
really makes a difference for me. An apple TV just gives you a few more options 
and you can operate it from a remote on your TV. My biggest issue now is that 
the remote wants to interact with my mini too, so I have to watch hitting enter 
on the remote or I'll have music and movies going at the same time.

Kev
On Dec 2, 2010, at 8:46 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hello Kevin,
> 
> I've always been curious as to what the TV is really for. I want one just to 
> have one, but since Denmark doesn't even have movies anymore much less 
> rentals, I'm not sure it'd even be useful.
> 
> I'm tempted to buy one just to have one, but not sure if it'd even be worth 
> it for me. I guess by the time we finally get an accessible TV that talks, 
> I'd be happy. I like channels more than renting my movies. I don't mind 
> renting at all, but sometimes, I just like to flick through channels and 
> attempt to find something that isn't garbage.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
> GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com
> Facebook
> Twitter
> Skype: Kvalme
> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
> Yahoo! Messenger: cin368
> AIM: cincinster
> 
> On Dec 2, 2010, at 2:37 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
> 
>> Thats true. This one was shipped from China or just outside of Hong Kong. 
>> Once the update was applied, it worked like gang busters. Now I just have to 
>> figure out how to switch between the different inputs on the TV.
>> 
>> Kev
>> On Dec 2, 2010, at 7:59 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi kevin,
>>> 
>>> That may not be the same on all of them. They probably didn't all have 4.1 
>>> at the time, though I suspect future shipments probably will.
>>> 
>>> Over here, not all devices of the same generation have the latest update 
>>> applied in the shops, or even when delivered. In most cases they do where I 
>>> a, though.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
>>> GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com
>>> Facebook
>>> Twitter
>>> Skype: Kvalme
>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>>> Yahoo! Messenger: cin368
>>> AIM: cincinster
>>> 
>>> On Dec 2, 2010, at 1:56 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
>>> 
 The $99 apple Tv, I think it is model 2, has voice over. It didn't come 
 out of the box with it though. When I hooked it up, it had to run an 
 update before VoiceOver was there.
 
 Kev
 On Dec 1, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
 
> Ok, so what part does voiceover play and if I get the one without a hard 
> drive, that is the model with vo?  Sorry if these are stupid questions, 
> but I have gigs and gigs of music which I can't play on our Bose, and 
> this looks like it might solve my problem.  Before I go to the Apple 
> store, I want to at least look like I know what I'm talking about.  Does 
> vo speak menus?  Could I get them to show me that in the store?  Again, 
> sorry for so many questions.  I don't know how you people keep all this 
> stuff straight, LOL!
> 
> Marlaina
> On Dec 1, 2010, at 4:11 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
> 
> Both apple tv's are just boxes; you provide the tv and apple provides
> the device you connect to it.
> 
> On 02/12/2010, Marlaina Lieberg <1guide...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Scott,
>> 
>> Is this the little box or is it an actual tv?  I know they do have a 
>> real tv
>> with a picture and such.
>> 
>> Marlaina
>> On Dec 1, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>> Jeff,
>> 
>> The new Apple TV is the only one that will have VOiceOver. You do not 
>> want
>> the version with an internal hard drive.
>> Scott
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 1, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Jeff Berwick wrote:
>> 
>>> I notice that there is an Apple TV and an Apple TV with 160 GB 
>>> harddrive.
>>> The specs don't talk about a harddrive.  Does the Apple TV come with a
>>> harddrive and, if so, what size is it?
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> On 2010-12-01, at 1:09 PM, Hai Nguyen wrote:
>>> 
 Kevin,
 The requested information is attached.
 On Dec 1, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
 
> So the apple tv arrives via fedex today. I take it out of the box and
> yep, it looks cool, kind of space age like. I unwrapped it and then 
> the
> remote. I decide oh well, what do these buttons on the remote do
> (curiosity killed the cat). Whala, press the button and my Mac mini
> fires up ITunes and starts playing the first song in the list. Does
> anyone have a list of how to functions for the remote? I haven't 
> hooked
> up the TV yet because I don't have the handy dandy HDMI cable. Once I
> hook it up, get it running and play with it some, I'll pass along any
> learnings.
> 
> Kev
> 
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What Apps for Blind iPhone User?

[M AUSTEN]

Hi,
I'd like to thank all those who answered my question about changing the voice 
on the iPhone 3GS. 
I now have my new iPhone and am looking for Apps. I've had a look at Digit-Eyes 
and a navigation package. 
Does anyone have any suggestions for other Apps they have found useful.
Many thanks,
Mark

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Re: Small Preview Issue

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Doug,

In the View menu, have you got it set to Single Page? And in the Sidebar, have 
you set Thumbnails?

With these settings, Preview is working fine for me.

Cheers,

Anne


On 2 Dec 2010, at 15:37, Doug Lawlor wrote:

> Hello list:
> I am having a small Preview issue. When I go to the image sidebar and select 
> a page to read and then go back to the text box and interact with the current 
> text of the page I get sent back to the page I was previously reading. Has 
> anyone else noticed this? How did you go about fixing it?
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Doug
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Re: OK, Apple TV is Here and a handy Remote

[Neil James]

I can't give to much info yet because our Dish service won't be installed 
until Saturday, but the latest generation of Dish DVR boxes will give you 
complete control via the Dish iPhone app. If you have an iPhone or iPod 
touch that is. You can search for programs set recordings and even locate 
and start playback of programs which are stored on your dvr all from your I 
device. I will report more after Saturday if people are interested.


Neil


- Original Message - 
From: "heather kd5cbl" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: OK, Apple TV is Here and a handy Remote


I wish uverse, direct or dish had voiceover on their tebos!  I hope apple 
makes a tebo so I can record stuff myself or just see what is on by 
flipping through.  Heather
- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Granados" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: OK, Apple TV is Here and a handy Remote


Just to expand on this,

DirectTV  is a different type of thing.  Apple TV lets you aggregate your 
digital media on to your TV where something like a DirecTV or Dish box 
grabs live content over the air or from space.



On Dec 1, 2010, at 1:11 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:


I wanted it because it is a toy for my man room (no offense ladies).
On Dec 1, 2010, at 3:58 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:

Wow, I would like more info on the tv; I am so behind the curve with the 
apple tv; I mean why would you want it and can it run with something 
like direct tv or is that just a ridiculously dumb question, :)


Marlaina


On Dec 1, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:

So the apple tv arrives via fedex today. I take it out of the box and 
yep, it looks cool, kind of space age like. I unwrapped it and then the 
remote. I decide oh well, what do these buttons on the remote do 
(curiosity killed the cat). Whala, press the button and my Mac mini 
fires up ITunes and starts playing the first song in the list. Does 
anyone have a list of how to functions for the remote? I haven't hooked 
up the TV yet because I don't have the handy dandy HDMI cable. Once I 
hook it up, get it running and play with it some, I'll pass along any 
learnings.


Kev

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Accessible minesweeper for iPhone and iPad

[Jonathan Chacón]

Hello everybody,


Accessible minesweeper for iPhone and iPad is in the appStore now.

This game is accesible for blind people, deaf people and people with motorisis 
disabilities

it supports english and spanish languages.

You can find it searching accessible minesweeper in the appstore or using this 
link http://bit.ly/hhgugl

I am very happy. I am the first blind developer who publishes an application in 
the appStore.
the development of the application was made by myself
My wife draw the pictures. Thanks to her for the help.



Thanks and regards
Jonathan Chacón

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Re: What Apps for Blind iPhone User?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Mark,

My favourite iPhone app is Kobo. It is an accessible eReader with a very good 
catalogue of books at reasonable prices. The setup process is a bit 
complicated, but once it's done, reading is easy.

Another useful app is Voxie voice recorder. You can start and stop recording 
just by shaking the iPhone.

Cheers,

Anne


On 2 Dec 2010, at 15:54, M AUSTEN wrote:

> Hi,
> I'd like to thank all those who answered my question about changing the voice 
> on the iPhone 3GS. 
> I now have my new iPhone and am looking for Apps. I've had a look at 
> Digit-Eyes and a navigation package. 
> Does anyone have any suggestions for other Apps they have found useful.
> Many thanks,
> Mark
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Re: iPhone app might make recording accessible, was ok apple tv . . .

[Neil James]

Could you elaborate a bit more on this? We are switching from direct tv and 
while i've been able to schedule recordings via the iPhone app, I have not 
found a way to initiate playback of content on the dvr from the iPhone app. 
Thanks much.


Neil
- Original Message - 
From: "Marlaina Lieberg" <1guide...@gmail.com>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 5:46 PM
Subject: iPhone app might make recording accessible, was ok apple tv . . .


Same with Direct TV, and I don't even need an ethernet cable.  I can send 
content to my kitchen or living room receiver.

On Dec 1, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Dish has an IPhone app that's free.  Just attach your receiver via ethernet 
cable to your router, download and install the app, and you've got control 
of your DVR.  I've had moderate success so far even in playing back content 
from the disk.



On Dec 1, 2010, at 4:40 PM, heather kd5cbl wrote:

I wish uverse, direct or dish had voiceover on their tebos!  I hope apple 
makes a tebo so I can record stuff myself or just see what is on by 
flipping through.  Heather
- Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" 


To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: OK, Apple TV is Here and a handy Remote


Just to expand on this,

DirectTV  is a different type of thing.  Apple TV lets you aggregate your 
digital media on to your TV where something like a DirecTV or Dish box 
grabs live content over the air or from space.



On Dec 1, 2010, at 1:11 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:


I wanted it because it is a toy for my man room (no offense ladies).
On Dec 1, 2010, at 3:58 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:

Wow, I would like more info on the tv; I am so behind the curve with the 
apple tv; I mean why would you want it and can it run with something 
like direct tv or is that just a ridiculously dumb question, :)


Marlaina


On Dec 1, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:

So the apple tv arrives via fedex today. I take it out of the box and 
yep, it looks cool, kind of space age like. I unwrapped it and then the 
remote. I decide oh well, what do these buttons on the remote do 
(curiosity killed the cat). Whala, press the button and my Mac mini 
fires up ITunes and starts playing the first song in the list. Does 
anyone have a list of how to functions for the remote? I haven't hooked 
up the TV yet because I don't have the handy dandy HDMI cable. Once I 
hook it up, get it running and play with it some, I'll pass along any 
learnings.


Kev

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Reading Tables in Pages

[Phil]

Hi,

Am having real trouble accessing data tables in Pages with voiceover -
the file in question is a MS Word 2007 file which I created at work
and which has a table in it which I created.  I'm needing to work on
this file at home using my MBP with Pages 09  however I can't seem to
get VO to interact with the table or even tell me it's there.  I've
tried the help file but not much there, anyone got any suggestions or
suggestions for what I should do?

Many thanks as ever,

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Re: Accessible minesweeper for iPhone and iPad

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

Is there one such for a just plain old Mac? (as if there could be such a thing! 
:) )


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Re: Reading Tables in Pages

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Phil,

The table in your document will show up as a highlighted space in Pages. 
Clipboard this item and paste it into a Numbers document where you'll be able 
to work on it.

When you're done, select the table and copy it to the clipboard, then paste it 
back into your Pages document.

Yes, this is messy, but it works. I hope Apple fix this problem soon.

Cheers,

Anne

On 2 Dec 2010, at 16:19, Phil wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Am having real trouble accessing data tables in Pages with voiceover -
> the file in question is a MS Word 2007 file which I created at work
> and which has a table in it which I created.  I'm needing to work on
> this file at home using my MBP with Pages 09  however I can't seem to
> get VO to interact with the table or even tell me it's there.  I've
> tried the help file but not much there, anyone got any suggestions or
> suggestions for what I should do?
> 
> Many thanks as ever,
> 
> Phil
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Re: Is there an accessible Usenet client

[Teresa Cochran]

I believe Usenet has RSS feeds, which Mail handles very nicely.

Teresa
On Dec 2, 2010, at 12:55 AM, Massimo Vettoretti wrote:

> 
> Il giorno 02/dic/2010, alle ore 06.34, Jude DaShiell ha scritto:
>> Pine can do nntp if configured properly.  So can alpine.
> Maybe I have to be more specific. What I need and I am looking for is an 
> accessible Usenet client with accessible graphical user Interface. The woman 
> I am helping is making her switch from Windows to MacOsX; under windows she 
> was used to manage e-mails, RSS Feeds and usenet with mozilla Thunderbird. 
> Playing with terminal windows may not be very advisable, right now! :-)
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Re: Is there an accessible Usenet client

[Eric Oyen]

you can get these through groups.google.com

not sure about other places though.

-Eric

On Dec 2, 2010, at 8:43 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

> I believe Usenet has RSS feeds, which Mail handles very nicely.
> 
> Teresa
> On Dec 2, 2010, at 12:55 AM, Massimo Vettoretti wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Il giorno 02/dic/2010, alle ore 06.34, Jude DaShiell ha scritto:
>>> Pine can do nntp if configured properly.  So can alpine.
>> Maybe I have to be more specific. What I need and I am looking for is an 
>> accessible Usenet client with accessible graphical user Interface. The woman 
>> I am helping is making her switch from Windows to MacOsX; under windows she 
>> was used to manage e-mails, RSS Feeds and usenet with mozilla Thunderbird. 
>> Playing with terminal windows may not be very advisable, right now! :-)
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Re: What Apps for Blind iPhone User?

[Carolyn Haas]

Hi Anne:
So, what would be the advantage of an App like Cocoa over iBooks?

Carolyn H
On Dec 2, 2010, at 8:02 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Mark,
> 
> My favourite iPhone app is Kobo. It is an accessible eReader with a very good 
> catalogue of books at reasonable prices. The setup process is a bit 
> complicated, but once it's done, reading is easy.
> 
> Another useful app is Voxie voice recorder. You can start and stop recording 
> just by shaking the iPhone.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 2 Dec 2010, at 15:54, M AUSTEN wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I'd like to thank all those who answered my question about changing the 
>> voice on the iPhone 3GS. 
>> I now have my new iPhone and am looking for Apps. I've had a look at 
>> Digit-Eyes and a navigation package. 
>> Does anyone have any suggestions for other Apps they have found useful.
>> Many thanks,
>> Mark
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iphone app

[John W. Carty]

I am seeking an app that will block all inbound calls to an iphone that allows 
me to set the time of day and the days of the week for this blocking to occur.

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Re: question on how to move the mouse

[Jonathan Cohn]

Another option

1. Turn on speak mouse after a delay (see previous message)
2. Set VO tracking options so that VO follows mouse instead of mouse
ffollows VO.
3. Turn off trackpad commander if using trackpad.4. Use the mouse if
you hover over an item for a small amount of time, it should read it
to you.  I haven't played with this for about a year, but there might
be issues if the VO cursor is following the mouse and the the
Insertion point is following the VO cursor. In all likelyhood, whenyou
move the mouse you will lose the place you were typing if you were
typing.  Gee, I wonder if HOT SSspots and AppleScripting of UI could
solve this problem... Something like on mouse move... If it has been
greater then X minutes since last mouse move then save VO position in
hotspot 9.

If this could be implemented, then one could easily SNAP back to the
insertion point.

Very interesting, too bad I haven't the time to figure out the UI
elemenTs of AppleScript.

Jon


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> Hello Marlaina,
>
> To move the mouse to places that VO cannot reach, you need to turn on
> MouseKeys. This is done in System Preferences under Universal Access. Select
> the fourth tab, Mouse & Trackpad, and just to the right you'll find
> MouseKeys.
>
> You have to hold down the FN key to use the K, U, I, O, and 8 keys to
> control the mouse when MouseKeys is on.
>
> You also need to check the Speak text under mouse after delay check box in
> the Announcements tab of the Verbosity category in the VoiceOver Utility.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
>
> On 2 Dec 2010, at 03:50, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>
>> Ok, I get that.  But Esther said she uses the mouse to find the sample
>> button on audible to hear book samples.  I should have been more clear
>> that I want to know how to do that sort of thing.
>>
>> Marlaina
>> On Dec 1, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>>
>> You would use the voiceover cursor for that, there's no need to involve
>> the mouse, use the control option arrow keys for that. Voice over does not
>> use the mouse for reviewing the way windows screen readers do.
>> On Nov 30, 2010, at 9:03 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>>
>>> Ok but if I want to explore a page or a document using the mouse, how do
>>> I do that?
>>> On Nov 30, 2010, at 6:56 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>>>
>>> This depends on how you want to move it. Pressing control option command
>>> F5 will move the mouse to the item the voice over cursor is on. You can
>>> also set the mouse to follow the voice over cursor, this is a setting in
>>> voice over utility.
>>> On Nov 30, 2010, at 6:00 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>>>
 Any ideas would be appreciated.

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Re: The Resetting of Prams

[Marlaina Lieberg]

Les,

Imagine trying to do all this on an Air!  Or even an MBP!  I haven't done it 
yet.

Marlaina
On Dec 1, 2010, at 7:00 PM, Les Kriegler wrote:

Hi Ann,

A couple of comments/questions here.  First, this is a very difficult keystroke 
to execute.  You're talking about typing five keystrokes at once, I cannot do 
this.  I can hit Command-Option P with my right hand, hit the button to power 
on the machine with my left hand, and then while holding down the 3 keys, race 
over before hearing the music and hit the R key.  I don't hear 4 chimes, I hear 
a buzzing sound 4 times, then the normal startup sound again.  Am I executing 
the reset procedure properly?  How does one know that it actually worked?  
Thanks.

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Re: question on how to move the mouse

[Marlaina Lieberg]

Hi Teresa.  Thanks for reminding me of this, and now I think I know the meaning 
of the commands in the command summary that say move a bit left or move a bit 
right.  Of course, I have now to go look them up, but at least I know they are 
there and what it is they may be used for.

Marlaina
On Dec 1, 2010, at 7:10 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

Hi, Marlaina,

If you want to use the mouse, you can move your VO cursor to the item you wish 
to interact with. If your cursor tracking is on, then you can click the 
physical mouse at this point. If cursor tracking is not on, use VO-command-F5 
to bring the mouse to the VO cursor. By the way, you can toggle VO tracking by 
pressing shift-vo-f3 or set it more permanently in the VO utility.

hTH,
Teresa
On Dec 1, 2010, at 6:50 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:

> Ok, I get that.  But Esther said she uses the mouse to find the sample button 
> on audible to hear book samples.  I should have been more clear that I want 
> to know how to do that sort of thing.
> 
> Marlaina
> On Dec 1, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> 
> You would use the voiceover cursor for that, there's no need to involve the 
> mouse, use the control option arrow keys for that. Voice over does not use 
> the mouse for reviewing the way windows screen readers do.
> On Nov 30, 2010, at 9:03 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
> 
>> Ok but if I want to explore a page or a document using the mouse, how do I 
>> do that?
>> On Nov 30, 2010, at 6:56 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>> 
>> This depends on how you want to move it. Pressing control option command F5 
>> will move the mouse to the item the voice over cursor is on. You can also 
>> set the mouse to follow the voice over cursor, this is a setting in voice 
>> over utility.
>> On Nov 30, 2010, at 6:00 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>> 
>>> Any ideas would be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Marlaina
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Re: can't wait to don the tron shoes

[Pete Nalda]

Tron comes out December 17th.  I bet there'll be a tron game soon for IOS!

On Dec 2, 2010, at 5:17 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:

> heh
> 
> On 12/2/10, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
>> Hi list,
>> 
>> This might, to some point have accessibility and apple mixed in it, but i
>> just wanted to express my mad wait for the adidas tron shoes. Orion
>> elastomeric light fabric stitched to some probably awesome looking sport
>> shoes.
>> 
>> So where does accessiblity come into this? Well, light and glow means i can
>> walk in the dark and look like a mobile AFP server or something.
>> 
>> And what about the inclusion or relation with apple? Tron is disney, disney
>> is steve jobs, steve jobs is apple :)
>> 
>> 
>> Ps: does anyone know when tron is coming out?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "Light has no value without darkness"
>> 
>> blog: http://www.theblindsamurai.com
>> twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7
>> Tel: +64 210 22 77 190
>> Phnom Penh: +85589900095
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Re: copying from 1 usb card to another

[Marlaina Lieberg]

Ok so to edit the names, do I navigate to the name and press enter on it as I 
do a file name I wish to change?

Marlaina
On Dec 1, 2010, at 10:08 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

Hmmm, my suggestion would be to only attach one usb drive to the computer at 
first.  Then locate it with finder and edit its name to source.  Once done 
leave the source drive in the computer.  Next put the other usb drive into the 
computer and locate that with finder and edit the drive name to dest.  Now 
you've got your two usb cards attached and both named to something sensible and 
copying ought to be a bit easier. On Wed, 1 Dec 2010, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:

> I will admit that I still get a little confused trying to find removable 
> media onto which I copy books, but I am usually eventually successful.  
> However, I now want to copy from one usb thumb drive to another.  I seem only 
> to see one and not both.  Can I do this and if so, what am I doing wrong?
> 
> Maybe somebody could demystify the whole process of copying from downloads to 
> removable media.  Sometimes I have no trouble and other times, oh boy!  I 
> keep running into that mobile me thing which I do not have set up and don't 
> want to have set up since I sync via google.  Any help on copying card to 
> card and folder to card would be greatly appreciated.
> 
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Re: question on how to move the mouse

[Marlaina Lieberg]

Thank you Anne.  I will try that.
On Dec 1, 2010, at 11:52 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:

Hello Marlaina,

To move the mouse to places that VO cannot reach, you need to turn on 
MouseKeys. This is done in System Preferences under Universal Access. Select 
the fourth tab, Mouse & Trackpad, and just to the right you'll find MouseKeys.

You have to hold down the FN key to use the K, U, I, O, and 8 keys to control 
the mouse when MouseKeys is on.

You also need to check the Speak text under mouse after delay check box in the 
Announcements tab of the Verbosity category in the VoiceOver Utility.

Cheers,

Anne


On 2 Dec 2010, at 03:50, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:

> Ok, I get that.  But Esther said she uses the mouse to find the sample button 
> on audible to hear book samples.  I should have been more clear that I want 
> to know how to do that sort of thing.
> 
> Marlaina
> On Dec 1, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> 
> You would use the voiceover cursor for that, there's no need to involve the 
> mouse, use the control option arrow keys for that. Voice over does not use 
> the mouse for reviewing the way windows screen readers do.
> On Nov 30, 2010, at 9:03 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
> 
>> Ok but if I want to explore a page or a document using the mouse, how do I 
>> do that?
>> On Nov 30, 2010, at 6:56 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>> 
>> This depends on how you want to move it. Pressing control option command F5 
>> will move the mouse to the item the voice over cursor is on. You can also 
>> set the mouse to follow the voice over cursor, this is a setting in voice 
>> over utility.
>> On Nov 30, 2010, at 6:00 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>> 
>>> Any ideas would be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Marlaina
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Re: OK, Apple TV is Here and a handy Remote

[Marlaina Lieberg]

but what does VoiceOver tell you, I mean are there menus or something again, 
sorry to be so dang dense, :)

Marlaina
On Dec 2, 2010, at 4:56 AM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:

The $99 apple Tv, I think it is model 2, has voice over. It didn't come out of 
the box with it though. When I hooked it up, it had to run an update before 
VoiceOver was there.

Kev
On Dec 1, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:

> Ok, so what part does voiceover play and if I get the one without a hard 
> drive, that is the model with vo?  Sorry if these are stupid questions, but I 
> have gigs and gigs of music which I can't play on our Bose, and this looks 
> like it might solve my problem.  Before I go to the Apple store, I want to at 
> least look like I know what I'm talking about.  Does vo speak menus?  Could I 
> get them to show me that in the store?  Again, sorry for so many questions.  
> I don't know how you people keep all this stuff straight, LOL!
> 
> Marlaina
> On Dec 1, 2010, at 4:11 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
> 
> Both apple tv's are just boxes; you provide the tv and apple provides
> the device you connect to it.
> 
> On 02/12/2010, Marlaina Lieberg <1guide...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Scott,
>> 
>> Is this the little box or is it an actual tv?  I know they do have a real tv
>> with a picture and such.
>> 
>> Marlaina
>> On Dec 1, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>> Jeff,
>> 
>> The new Apple TV is the only one that will have VOiceOver. You do not want
>> the version with an internal hard drive.
>> Scott
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 1, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Jeff Berwick wrote:
>> 
>>> I notice that there is an Apple TV and an Apple TV with 160 GB harddrive.
>>> The specs don't talk about a harddrive.  Does the Apple TV come with a
>>> harddrive and, if so, what size is it?
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> On 2010-12-01, at 1:09 PM, Hai Nguyen wrote:
>>> 
 Kevin,
 The requested information is attached.
 On Dec 1, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
 
> So the apple tv arrives via fedex today. I take it out of the box and
> yep, it looks cool, kind of space age like. I unwrapped it and then the
> remote. I decide oh well, what do these buttons on the remote do
> (curiosity killed the cat). Whala, press the button and my Mac mini
> fires up ITunes and starts playing the first song in the list. Does
> anyone have a list of how to functions for the remote? I haven't hooked
> up the TV yet because I don't have the handy dandy HDMI cable. Once I
> hook it up, get it running and play with it some, I'll pass along any
> learnings.
> 
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Re: The Resetting of Prams

[Jonathan Cohn]

I would not worry too much about PRAM's.  I have no Apple evidence of
the below message, but I can certainly believe it.  Though I suppose
that Apple might have updated the key sequence some to clear out other
nasty issues I don't expect that to be the case.

Begin Qote from Tidbits.com discussion in 2009
On Subject of Grey screen and no boot of Macintosh computers

(And just FYI, the days of resetting PRAM / NVRAM doing anything
useful pretty much died with OS9. These days, about the only thing
that lives there is display resolution settings, so zapping the PRAM
may be useful for troubleshooting video issues, but it is unlikely to
help with anything else. Harmless to try, but meaningless if nothing
improves, because nothing really uses it anymore.)

-- 
Chris Devers

End Quote


On 02/12/2010, Marlaina Lieberg <1guide...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Les,
>
> Imagine trying to do all this on an Air!  Or even an MBP!  I haven't done it
> yet.
>
> Marlaina
> On Dec 1, 2010, at 7:00 PM, Les Kriegler wrote:
>
> Hi Ann,
>
> A couple of comments/questions here.  First, this is a very difficult
> keystroke to execute.  You're talking about typing five keystrokes at once,
> I cannot do this.  I can hit Command-Option P with my right hand, hit the
> button to power on the machine with my left hand, and then while holding
> down the 3 keys, race over before hearing the music and hit the R key.  I
> don't hear 4 chimes, I hear a buzzing sound 4 times, then the normal startup
> sound again.  Am I executing the reset procedure properly?  How does one
> know that it actually worked?  Thanks.
>
> Les
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Re: What Apps for Blind iPhone User?

[Marlaina Lieberg]

I do not find digit eyes useful; I'm pretty good with picture taking in 
general, but I cannot make this thing find a bar code no matter what the heck I 
do.

I like an app called around me; it will list out businesses around your current 
location.

I also like four square; it's a fun app to see where your pals are and let them 
see where you are.

I use MLB at bat to listen to baseball and o o tunes to listen to radio.

Because I don't know your interests, I won't take up more time with other more 
specific apps on my phone, but there are lots of great choices out there.

Marlaina
On Dec 2, 2010, at 6:54 AM, M AUSTEN wrote:

Hi,

I'd like to thank all those who answered my question about changing the voice 
on the iPhone 3GS. 

I now have my new iPhone and am looking for Apps. I've had a look at Digit-Eyes 
and a navigation package. 

Does anyone have any suggestions for other Apps they have found useful.

Many thanks,

Mark

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Re: to those of y'all using Skype 5 beta

[Sarah Alawami]

I hear they have been improved and they fixed the refresh bug when you are 
viewing the html area for chats. Hopefully that will come out for the publish 
release. S! don't tell anyone.
On Dec 1, 2010, at 11:17 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hello Ray,
> 
> Not a word. In fact, comments sent in on the blog after the release date have 
> not even been approved yet, so I'm not sure what is going on. At any rate, no 
> updates on  the big Skype blog, either, not even on the Mac-specific one.
> 
> I have to wonder what Skype's view of the various comments might be. 
> Currently, on both blogs, sighted and blind people alike say the release is 
> riddle with bugs. Of course, I have my own opinion on that. None of these 
> comments after the official release date of Skype 5 Beta have been approved. 
> Hopefully, someone knows something else.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
> GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com
> Facebook
> Twitter
> Skype: Kvalme
> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
> Yahoo! Messenger: cin368
> AIM: cincinster
> 
> On Dec 2, 2010, at 8:04 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> 
>> Just wanted to come in here and ask if there have been any updates to Skype 
>> 5 beta for the Mac yet.  IF so, does the latest update improve anything?
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely, 
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype Name:
>> barefootedray
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Re: iPhone app might make recording accessible, was ok apple tv . . .

[Marlaina Lieberg]

No, I can't initiate playback with this app but I am going to search and see if 
there is another app for directtv like the one for dish; I never thought to 
look.

Marlaina
On Dec 2, 2010, at 7:04 AM, Neil James wrote:

Could you elaborate a bit more on this? We are switching from direct tv and 
while i've been able to schedule recordings via the iPhone app, I have not 
found a way to initiate playback of content on the dvr from the iPhone app. 
Thanks much.

Neil
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Subject: iPhone app might make recording accessible, was ok apple tv . . .


Same with Direct TV, and I don't even need an ethernet cable.  I can send 
content to my kitchen or living room receiver.
On Dec 1, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Dish has an IPhone app that's free.  Just attach your receiver via ethernet 
cable to your router, download and install the app, and you've got control of 
your DVR.  I've had moderate success so far even in playing back content from 
the disk.


On Dec 1, 2010, at 4:40 PM, heather kd5cbl wrote:

> I wish uverse, direct or dish had voiceover on their tebos!  I hope apple 
> makes a tebo so I can record stuff myself or just see what is on by flipping 
> through.  Heather
> - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 6:23 PM
> Subject: Re: OK, Apple TV is Here and a handy Remote
> 
> 
> Just to expand on this,
> 
> DirectTV  is a different type of thing.  Apple TV lets you aggregate your 
> digital media on to your TV where something like a DirecTV or Dish box grabs 
> live content over the air or from space.
> 
> 
> On Dec 1, 2010, at 1:11 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
> 
>> I wanted it because it is a toy for my man room (no offense ladies).
>> On Dec 1, 2010, at 3:58 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>> 
>>> Wow, I would like more info on the tv; I am so behind the curve with the 
>>> apple tv; I mean why would you want it and can it run with something like 
>>> direct tv or is that just a ridiculously dumb question, :)
>>> 
>>> Marlaina
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
>>> 
>>> So the apple tv arrives via fedex today. I take it out of the box and yep, 
>>> it looks cool, kind of space age like. I unwrapped it and then the remote. 
>>> I decide oh well, what do these buttons on the remote do (curiosity killed 
>>> the cat). Whala, press the button and my Mac mini fires up ITunes and 
>>> starts playing the first song in the list. Does anyone have a list of how 
>>> to functions for the remote? I haven't hooked up the TV yet because I don't 
>>> have the handy dandy HDMI cable. Once I hook it up, get it running and play 
>>> with it some, I'll pass along any learnings.
>>> 
>>> Kev
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Re: Reading Tables in Pages

[Marlaina Lieberg]

Anne,

when you say clipboard the table, do you simply mean do command c to copy it?

Marlaina
On Dec 2, 2010, at 7:36 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

Hello Phil,

The table in your document will show up as a highlighted space in Pages. 
Clipboard this item and paste it into a Numbers document where you'll be able 
to work on it.

When you're done, select the table and copy it to the clipboard, then paste it 
back into your Pages document.

Yes, this is messy, but it works. I hope Apple fix this problem soon.

Cheers,

Anne

On 2 Dec 2010, at 16:19, Phil wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Am having real trouble accessing data tables in Pages with voiceover -
> the file in question is a MS Word 2007 file which I created at work
> and which has a table in it which I created.  I'm needing to work on
> this file at home using my MBP with Pages 09  however I can't seem to
> get VO to interact with the table or even tell me it's there.  I've
> tried the help file but not much there, anyone got any suggestions or
> suggestions for what I should do?
> 
> Many thanks as ever,
> 
> Phil
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Re: What Apps for Blind iPhone User?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Carolyn,

Here in Europe, we can't get most of the books that are available in the US on 
iBooks, so Kobo gives us access to books we couldn't otherwise read.

Part of the problem for me is that I'm in France but I prefer to read in 
English.

Cheers,

Anne


On 2 Dec 2010, at 17:02, Carolyn Haas wrote:

> Hi Anne:
> So, what would be the advantage of an App like Cocoa over iBooks?
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Re: Reading Tables in Pages

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Marlaina,

On 2 Dec 2010, at 18:12, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
> 
> 
> when you say clipboard the table, do you simply mean do command c to copy it?
> 
Yes. The table shows up as a highlighted space but Command-C copies it just 
fine.

Cheers,

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Re: to those of y'all using Skype 5 beta

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

Sadly, that hasn't been released yet, it seems. At least, I haven't received an 
update.

If there has been one, would you happen to know? Otherwise, where do you know 
this?

Regards,
Nic
GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com
Facebook
Twitter
Skype: Kvalme
MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
Yahoo! Messenger: cin368
AIM: cincinster

On Dec 2, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> I hear they have been improved and they fixed the refresh bug when you are 
> viewing the html area for chats. Hopefully that will come out for the publish 
> release. S! don't tell anyone.
> On Dec 1, 2010, at 11:17 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hello Ray,
>> 
>> Not a word. In fact, comments sent in on the blog after the release date 
>> have not even been approved yet, so I'm not sure what is going on. At any 
>> rate, no updates on  the big Skype blog, either, not even on the 
>> Mac-specific one.
>> 
>> I have to wonder what Skype's view of the various comments might be. 
>> Currently, on both blogs, sighted and blind people alike say the release is 
>> riddle with bugs. Of course, I have my own opinion on that. None of these 
>> comments after the official release date of Skype 5 Beta have been approved. 
>> Hopefully, someone knows something else.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
>> GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com
>> Facebook
>> Twitter
>> Skype: Kvalme
>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>> Yahoo! Messenger: cin368
>> AIM: cincinster
>> 
>> On Dec 2, 2010, at 8:04 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>> 
>>> Just wanted to come in here and ask if there have been any updates to Skype 
>>> 5 beta for the Mac yet.  IF so, does the latest update improve anything?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, 
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> 
>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>> 
>>> Skype Name:
>>> barefootedray
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Episode: A Demonstration of the Nike Heart Monitor With VoiceOver On The iPod Nano 6th Generation

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

 

In this approximately 13 minute episode of the Candle Shore Podcast, I
demonstrate the Nike+ heart monitor, with VoiceOver (Apple's software screen
reading solution for the blind and low vision) on the iPod Nano 6th
Generation.

 

If you're not already subscribed to the Mark Taylor Candle Shore Podcast, in
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Re: Accessible minesweeper for iPhone and iPad

[Jonathan Chacón Barbero]

Hello Mark and everybody,

I'm thinking about developing accessible applications for Mac OS in the Mac 
appStore. I'll be able to translate my iPhone applications to mac.

Regards
Jonathan Chacón

El 02/12/2010, a las 16:22, Mark BurningHawk Baxter escribió:

> Is there one such for a just plain old Mac? (as if there could be such a 
> thing! :) )
> 
> 
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Finding and navigating to text in documents on the iDevices [was Re: finding text and getting to it quickly]

[Esther]

Hi All,

I'll cc this reply to the macvisionaries list, because I think it is of general 
interest, and also because this will let me easily find and link to an archived 
post if there are further questions/discussion on the viphone list.

Dean Martineau asked about finding and quickly going to text on an iPhone:
I'd like to be able to do two things: (a) search

a folder for text found in a document and see a list of documents
containing that text; when I open the desired document, the screen
focus is on the found text,and VoiceOver tracks the focus. I don't
think that one is possible. or: (b) I manually open a document,
search for text I know is found within it, and screen and VoiceOver
focus on the found text. I would prefer this work with text
documents, but I can deal with most any file format.


and Annie Skov Nielsen  replied:

The only program it works in is ibooks. therefore I am using that program much.
 
It's possible to do what Dean wants for text in the Simplenote app by Codality. 
You can type in search terms and the app will list the notes with matching 
text, and let you immediatley go to the first found instance of a match in your 
selected note, and then find the next match and navigate to it, all under 
accessible VoiceOver control. I've been recommending this app on this list for 
about a year, and the developers continued to add great features. Since I'm 
pressed for time, I won't repeat everything again, except to forestall the 
people who want note apps that specialize in formatting and specifically focus 
on creating Microsoft Office Word Documents -- this is not that sort of app; 
Simplenote focuses on simple text and content, and working with this as fast 
and efficiently as possible in synced fashion across your iDevices.  The iPad 
implementation of this app is a particularly nice in making efficient use of 
the layout possibilities of the larger device, but I'll focus on how this works 
on the iPhone, where a few more steps are required to switch and access options.

Locating notes with words that match all your search terms has always been possible in Simplenote from the beginning: on the "All Notes" screen you simply flick right 
past the "Add" button for creating new notes to the search field to type in the terms you want, then run your finger down the list of notes that match results and double 
tap to select the one you want to view.  Now, instead of flicking right from the heading of your selected note to have VoiceOver start reading the complete entry, just move your 
finger down from the note heading.  The line at the top of the screen is the first match in that note to any of the search terms you typed in.  If you move your finger to the 
bottom left corner of the screen, you'll hear VoiceOver announce two buttons: "BTN prior" and "BTN next". Double tap the "BTN next" button to find 
the next instance of a match, and then touch the top of the screen just below the note heading to read the match.  If you want to start reading from that point, do a two-finger 
flick down.  Either touch the bottom of the screen, just to the right of the "prior" and "next" buttons, and directly above the "Home" button, or 
flick right from the "prior" and "next" find buttons for a summary of the search terms in use and, to have this announced by VoiceOver.

A few comments: if you search on more than one word or part of word, you'll only get matches to 
notes that use all your search terms.  However, when you use the buttons to find the next or prior 
match to a search term, you'll be advanced to the next  occurrence of any of your search words in 
the note.  So if your search was a two word phrase that often occurs together, it will seem as 
though you're picking up the same line twice, because the find action will pick up the first word 
in the phrase, and highlight it, and then pick the next word in the same phrase and highlight it, 
but you'll still be on the same line in the note, and won't appear to have advanced.  However, if 
individual word matches to your search terms appear in the note, it's quite obvious that double 
tapping "BTN next" moves you to a different part of the file.  Once again, you can always 
get to the matched line by simply touching the top of the screen, since the app will scroll through 
the display of your note to insure that the match is the first visible line on the screen.  That's 
why you need to touch the screen instead of just flicking to have VoiceOver start reading the 
entire note. I'm not sure how this would work for navigation via keyboard control unless Apple 
implements shortcut sequences for "first visible element" on an iPhone screen, etc. the 
way that they do on the Mac

Normally, the order of listing files is most recently modified first.  However, Simplenote now lets you "pin" the notes that you most frequently view to the top of the list.  On the iPhone you need to get out of the current 
screen in order to access this function.  Double tap

Locating the function key on a USB keyboard

[Marc Workman]

Hi all,

I bought my first Mac today, and I've run into a snag turning VO on.

I tried command F5, but it only made a bonking noise.  My guess is that the 
function keys are controlling hardware, and I need to press the function key 
plus command F5, but I don't know which key is the function key.  I'm using a 
full size USB keyboard that I bought along with the Mac mini today.

If you can tell me where the function key is, or if you have any other 
suggestions, I would be very appreciative.

Best,

Marc

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Re: OK, Apple TV is Here and a handy Remote

[Kevin Mattingly]

Once VoiceOver is up and running, you have multiple menus.

>From far left to right:

In Movies, Under this title are top movies, and different ways of selecting 
movies from the apple store using itunes

In TV Shows, This is the same but a list of TV shows to get from ITunes

In Internet, This has YouTube, Netflix, Flicker and so on

In ComPuters, Has an option to turn on home sharing

In Settings, Has different setup stuff to look through


Hope this helps

Kev
On Dec 2, 2010, at 11:58 AM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:

> but what does VoiceOver tell you, I mean are there menus or something again, 
> sorry to be so dang dense, :)
> 
> Marlaina
> On Dec 2, 2010, at 4:56 AM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
> 
> The $99 apple Tv, I think it is model 2, has voice over. It didn't come out 
> of the box with it though. When I hooked it up, it had to run an update 
> before VoiceOver was there.
> 
> Kev
> On Dec 1, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
> 
>> Ok, so what part does voiceover play and if I get the one without a hard 
>> drive, that is the model with vo?  Sorry if these are stupid questions, but 
>> I have gigs and gigs of music which I can't play on our Bose, and this looks 
>> like it might solve my problem.  Before I go to the Apple store, I want to 
>> at least look like I know what I'm talking about.  Does vo speak menus?  
>> Could I get them to show me that in the store?  Again, sorry for so many 
>> questions.  I don't know how you people keep all this stuff straight, LOL!
>> 
>> Marlaina
>> On Dec 1, 2010, at 4:11 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>> 
>> Both apple tv's are just boxes; you provide the tv and apple provides
>> the device you connect to it.
>> 
>> On 02/12/2010, Marlaina Lieberg <1guide...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Scott,
>>> 
>>> Is this the little box or is it an actual tv?  I know they do have a real tv
>>> with a picture and such.
>>> 
>>> Marlaina
>>> On Dec 1, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jeff,
>>> 
>>> The new Apple TV is the only one that will have VOiceOver. You do not want
>>> the version with an internal hard drive.
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Jeff Berwick wrote:
>>> 
 I notice that there is an Apple TV and an Apple TV with 160 GB harddrive.
 The specs don't talk about a harddrive.  Does the Apple TV come with a
 harddrive and, if so, what size is it?
 
 Thx,
 Jeff
 
 On 2010-12-01, at 1:09 PM, Hai Nguyen wrote:
 
> Kevin,
> The requested information is attached.
> On Dec 1, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
> 
>> So the apple tv arrives via fedex today. I take it out of the box and
>> yep, it looks cool, kind of space age like. I unwrapped it and then the
>> remote. I decide oh well, what do these buttons on the remote do
>> (curiosity killed the cat). Whala, press the button and my Mac mini
>> fires up ITunes and starts playing the first song in the list. Does
>> anyone have a list of how to functions for the remote? I haven't hooked
>> up the TV yet because I don't have the handy dandy HDMI cable. Once I
>> hook it up, get it running and play with it some, I'll pass along any
>> learnings.
>> 
>> Kev
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VoiceOver resetting problem

[Austin Seraphin]

Something very strange just happened. While browsing in Safari, Voiceover 
suddenly reset. I mean, the speech reset, I had to set the rate etc. as I like 
it. I even had to reenable the numpad and trackpad commanders. I use the latest 
Safari 5.0.3 and it happened while 
browsinghttp://senderogroup.com/support/supportiphone.htm ironically enough. I 
just thought I'd bring it up and see if this has happened to anyone else.

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Re: Locating the function key on a USB keyboard

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, Marc,

You can use the control key with command-f5 to activate Voiceover. Also, you 
can go to the System Preferences/Keyboard pane and select the "use function 
keys as standard ..." checkbox.

HTH
Teresa
On Dec 2, 2010, at 12:27 PM, Marc Workman wrote:

> Hi all,
>  
> I bought my first Mac today, and I've run into a snag turning VO on.
>  
> I tried command F5, but it only made a bonking noise.  My guess is that the 
> function keys are controlling hardware, and I need to press the function key 
> plus command F5, but I don't know which key is the function key.  I'm using a 
> full size USB keyboard that I bought along with the Mac mini today.
>  
> If you can tell me where the function key is, or if you have any other 
> suggestions, I would be very appreciative.
>  
> Best,
>  
> Marc
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Re: VoiceOver resetting problem

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Austin,

Unfortunately, this is a well-known problem but it is totally unpredictable. 
For that reason, most of us save our VoiceOver Preferences somewhere so that we 
can reinstate them quickly when the problem strikes.

I think this is a very difficult bug to track down, as is the VoiceOver 
suddenly going silent one.

Cheers,

Anne


On 2 Dec 2010, at 21:46, Austin Seraphin wrote:

> Something very strange just happened. While browsing in Safari, Voiceover 
> suddenly reset. I mean, the speech reset, I had to set the rate etc. as I 
> like it. I even had to reenable the numpad and trackpad commanders. I use the 
> latest Safari 5.0.3 and it happened while 
> browsinghttp://senderogroup.com/support/supportiphone.htm ironically enough. 
> I just thought I'd bring it up and see if this has happened to anyone else.
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Re: VoiceOver resetting problem

[Carolyn Haas]

Hi Austin:
I have had vo reset a few times, wherein I've had to go in and re-enable 
keyboard commander, and reset my web browser preferences.  My Apple trainer was 
going to write to accessibility about it.  But, we haven't heard anything.  
Just happened again today while on the Vuescan website.  Don't know why this 
happens.

Carolyn
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> Something very strange just happened. While browsing in Safari, Voiceover 
> suddenly reset. I mean, the speech reset, I had to set the rate etc. as I 
> like it. I even had to reenable the numpad and trackpad commanders. I use the 
> latest Safari 5.0.3 and it happened while 
> browsinghttp://senderogroup.com/support/supportiphone.htm ironically enough. 
> I just thought I'd bring it up and see if this has happened to anyone else.
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the 8 gb Ipod nano 6 generation

[Courtney Curran]

Does the 8 gb Ipod nano have voiceover, the newest model?
Courtney


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Re: the 8 gb Ipod nano 6 generation

[Kimberly thurman]

It does!  hth
On Dec 2, 2010, at 4:20 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:

> Does the 8 gb Ipod nano have voiceover, the newest model?
> Courtney
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Re: the 8 gb Ipod nano 6 generation

[Courtney Curran]

Hi, 
Awesome, thanks for this news.
Courtney

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> It does!  hth
> On Dec 2, 2010, at 4:20 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:
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>> Courtney
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Handytech is supported with the new Iphone IOS 4 Update

[Allison Manzino]

Hi everyone,

Isaac's message reminded me to tell you that the Braillino is now supported on 
the Iphone! I was so excited to add it as a display the other day. It loses 
connectivity sometimes, I have to power the Iphone off and back on again, 
before it will connect. To have this added support is great, now all I need is 
a bluetooth keyboard, smile. Have a great day.

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Syncing addressbook from Iphone to Mac

[Allison Manzino]

Hi all,

Do you know if you can sync the addressbook from your iphone to your Mac? I 
know you can do it the other way around. The last time I tried this, the 
numbers that I only had stored on my Iphone disappeared and wouldn't show up on 
the Mac. Any ideas? I have a few new contacts on my Iphone that are not in my 
Mac's addressbook. If I sync will I lose them? I'm using the Iphone 3gS in case 
that makes a difference. Have a wonderful day!

Happily,
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Numbers Podcast

[Allison Manzino]

Hi again all,

I'm sorry for the multiple posts, but since I'm  posting about different 
topics, I thought it would be easier to write multiple messages. I remember a 
while ago someone had asked for a podcast on Numbers. I'm unsure of how to use 
Numbers, but I will learn the basics and put one up. If anyone is interested I 
will post the link here when it's done. Have a great day.

Musically,
Allison

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WebAIM Survey for Screen Reader Users

[Mary Otten]

I got this from a Windows screen reader list, but since they're looking for all 
screen reader user input, definitely including VoiceOver, it seemed appropriate 
to pass the link to this list.


Greetings,
 
There is a short survey out to collect various information regarding screen 
readers.  I would encourage everyone on this list to participate if at all 
possible.  You can access the survey at 
http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey3/. 
 

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Re: OK, Apple TV is Here and a handy Remote

[Marlaina Lieberg]

It sure does; I am in the apple store right now and I continue to be impressed 
with how these folks really get working with blind folks.  My iPhone 4 is 
really messed up and this guy knows VO and didn't even shrink and make me turn 
it off.  Nor did he do so when I popped my Air up on the counter so we could 
make sure that I had all the info on the Air I need before they do a mega major 
restore of my poor dear sick iPhone!  I am so mpressed with the people at the 
South Center Takwila Washington Store!

Marlaina
On Dec 2, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:

Once VoiceOver is up and running, you have multiple menus.

>From far left to right:

In Movies, Under this title are top movies, and different ways of selecting 
movies from the apple store using itunes

In TV Shows, This is the same but a list of TV shows to get from ITunes

In Internet, This has YouTube, Netflix, Flicker and so on

In ComPuters, Has an option to turn on home sharing

In Settings, Has different setup stuff to look through


Hope this helps

Kev
On Dec 2, 2010, at 11:58 AM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:

> but what does VoiceOver tell you, I mean are there menus or something again, 
> sorry to be so dang dense, :)
> 
> Marlaina
> On Dec 2, 2010, at 4:56 AM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
> 
> The $99 apple Tv, I think it is model 2, has voice over. It didn't come out 
> of the box with it though. When I hooked it up, it had to run an update 
> before VoiceOver was there.
> 
> Kev
> On Dec 1, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
> 
>> Ok, so what part does voiceover play and if I get the one without a hard 
>> drive, that is the model with vo?  Sorry if these are stupid questions, but 
>> I have gigs and gigs of music which I can't play on our Bose, and this looks 
>> like it might solve my problem.  Before I go to the Apple store, I want to 
>> at least look like I know what I'm talking about.  Does vo speak menus?  
>> Could I get them to show me that in the store?  Again, sorry for so many 
>> questions.  I don't know how you people keep all this stuff straight, LOL!
>> 
>> Marlaina
>> On Dec 1, 2010, at 4:11 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>> 
>> Both apple tv's are just boxes; you provide the tv and apple provides
>> the device you connect to it.
>> 
>> On 02/12/2010, Marlaina Lieberg <1guide...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Scott,
>>> 
>>> Is this the little box or is it an actual tv?  I know they do have a real tv
>>> with a picture and such.
>>> 
>>> Marlaina
>>> On Dec 1, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jeff,
>>> 
>>> The new Apple TV is the only one that will have VOiceOver. You do not want
>>> the version with an internal hard drive.
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Jeff Berwick wrote:
>>> 
 I notice that there is an Apple TV and an Apple TV with 160 GB harddrive.
 The specs don't talk about a harddrive.  Does the Apple TV come with a
 harddrive and, if so, what size is it?
 
 Thx,
 Jeff
 
 On 2010-12-01, at 1:09 PM, Hai Nguyen wrote:
 
> Kevin,
> The requested information is attached.
> On Dec 1, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
> 
>> So the apple tv arrives via fedex today. I take it out of the box and
>> yep, it looks cool, kind of space age like. I unwrapped it and then the
>> remote. I decide oh well, what do these buttons on the remote do
>> (curiosity killed the cat). Whala, press the button and my Mac mini
>> fires up ITunes and starts playing the first song in the list. Does
>> anyone have a list of how to functions for the remote? I haven't hooked
>> up the TV yet because I don't have the handy dandy HDMI cable. Once I
>> hook it up, get it running and play with it some, I'll pass along any
>> learnings.
>> 
>> Kev
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can't get voiceover going after an installation

[Marc Workman]

Hello again,

I wasn't able to get voiceover running on my new Mac Mini, so I decided to just 
install, or perhaps reinstall, the OS.  The installation went fine, but after 
the restart, I'm still not able to get VO going using either command F5, 
control command F5, or function command F5.  I also tried pressing enter after 
a restart, since one of the archive post mentioned something about having to 
choose the setup language first, but no go.  Every keystroke seems to produce a 
bonking sound.

I've listened to a couple of podcasts of installations for both Lepard and Snow 
Lepard, and in both cases, some music started playing after the restart 
following the installation, but that didn't happen in my case.

Apologies for the nuby question, but I can't find an answer in anything I've 
read or listened to.

TIA

Marc

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Re: copying from 1 usb card to another

[Jude DaShiell]

That's how it's done, though you might want to try interacting with each 
first and then hitting command-option-m on them and make sure you've got 
the right devices.On Thu, 2 Dec 2010, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:



Ok so to edit the names, do I navigate to the name and press enter on it as I 
do a file name I wish to change?

Marlaina
On Dec 1, 2010, at 10:08 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

Hmmm, my suggestion would be to only attach one usb drive to the computer at 
first.  Then locate it with finder and edit its name to source.  Once done 
leave the source drive in the computer.  Next put the other usb drive into the 
computer and locate that with finder and edit the drive name to dest.  Now 
you've got your two usb cards attached and both named to something sensible and 
copying ought to be a bit easier. On Wed, 1 Dec 2010, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:


I will admit that I still get a little confused trying to find removable media 
onto which I copy books, but I am usually eventually successful.  However, I 
now want to copy from one usb thumb drive to another.  I seem only to see one 
and not both.  Can I do this and if so, what am I doing wrong?

Maybe somebody could demystify the whole process of copying from downloads to 
removable media.  Sometimes I have no trouble and other times, oh boy!  I keep 
running into that mobile me thing which I do not have set up and don't want to 
have set up since I sync via google.  Any help on copying card to card and 
folder to card would be greatly appreciated.

Marlaina

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Re: Is there an accessible Usenet client

[Jude DaShiell]

pine and alpine can run in graphcal mode if you use gpine or galpine to 
run them.On Thu, 2 Dec 2010, Eric Oyen wrote:




you can get these through groups.google.com

not sure about other places though.

-Eric

On Dec 2, 2010, at 8:43 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:


I believe Usenet has RSS feeds, which Mail handles very nicely.

Teresa
On Dec 2, 2010, at 12:55 AM, Massimo Vettoretti wrote:



Il giorno 02/dic/2010, alle ore 06.34, Jude DaShiell ha scritto:

Pine can do nntp if configured properly.  So can alpine.

Maybe I have to be more specific. What I need and I am looking for is an 
accessible Usenet client with accessible graphical user Interface. The woman I 
am helping is making her switch from Windows to MacOsX; under windows she was 
used to manage e-mails, RSS Feeds and usenet with mozilla Thunderbird. Playing 
with terminal windows may not be very advisable, right now! :-)

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dvd play on the mac

[Mary Otten]

Hello all,

A few days back, I asked about playing dvds on the Mac and somebody helpfully 
stated that the dvd player that comes with the Mac is accessible. It does have 
lots of shortcuts, which is great. Of course, the dvd menus themselves don't 
speak. I guess they are graphics. So my question is, how can you reliably 
navigate the dvd menu. You get to it with command d. The help file says arrow 
keys highlight, but I've found it very hit and miss as regards say arrowing 
down 2 pressing enter and always ending up in the same place, i.e. starting the 
same episode of a multi-episode dvd. Sometimes, nothing happens. Sometimes, I 
can hit command d and do nothing and the intro music starts playing and another 
press of connand d shuts it off. That's with no arrow movement. Other times, 
command d followed by a couple or 3 down arrows does nothing. It all seems 
quite random, hit and miss. So how do you work with dvds reliably?

Mary

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Re: Accessible minesweeper for iPhone and iPad

[Scott Howell]

Hi Jonathan,

Although I am not much of a gamer and generally only purchase those that are 
very unique such as Aurifi, I have purchased Accessible Minesweeper to support 
and encourage you. and your efforts Congratulations for being the first 
visually impaired game developer that I am at least aware of. 
 
Scott





On Dec 2, 2010, at 10:00 AM, Jonathan Chacón wrote:

> Hello everybody,
> 
> 
> Accessible minesweeper for iPhone and iPad is in the appStore now.
> 
> This game is accesible for blind people, deaf people and people with 
> motorisis disabilities
> 
> it supports english and spanish languages.
> 
> You can find it searching accessible minesweeper in the appstore or using 
> this link http://bit.ly/hhgugl
> 
> I am very happy. I am the first blind developer who publishes an application 
> in the appStore.
> the development of the application was made by myself
> My wife draw the pictures. Thanks to her for the help.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks and regards
>   Jonathan Chacón
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Re: Locating the function key on a USB keyboard

[Scott Howell]

The function key is located in the six-pack of keys on the full-size keyboard. 
It is the first key in the six pack and is in the same location as the insert 
key on a PC keyboard.

Scott





On Dec 2, 2010, at 3:27 PM, Marc Workman wrote:

> Hi all,
>  
> I bought my first Mac today, and I've run into a snag turning VO on.
>  
> I tried command F5, but it only made a bonking noise.  My guess is that the 
> function keys are controlling hardware, and I need to press the function key 
> plus command F5, but I don't know which key is the function key.  I'm using a 
> full size USB keyboard that I bought along with the Mac mini today.
>  
> If you can tell me where the function key is, or if you have any other 
> suggestions, I would be very appreciative.
>  
> Best,
>  
> Marc
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a vuescan question

[Carolyn Haas]

Hi everyone:
I tried the Vuescan app for the mac, and liked it well.  I submitted thepayment 
info and made my purchase.  I downloaded the latest update, which just came out 
today.  Now besides receiving no confirmation email, opening the App results in 
a busy loop.  Is anyone using this regularly who either has had this issue or 
has a clue what may be wrong?  TIA I feel pretty silly.

Carolyn 

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Re: musicality

[starkos]

I'm Jason Perkins, the author of Musicality. I just wanted to pop in
and let you know that I saw this thread, and I'll take a look at the
issues you've raised.

Those keyboard shortcut controls that are coming up as "unknown" are
provided by a third-party library, which happens to be open source, so
I might be able to fix it.

As far as navigating within the various services (Pandora,
Grooveshark), I'm at the mercy of their websites, at least for now. I
do have a search feature in the works which would allow you to select
a playlist or create a station right from an OS X menu (much like
Spotlight search) instead of navigating the websites.

I am very open to feedback of any kind. I don't want to spam the list,
so feel free to contact me at supp...@industriousone.com with any
questions or suggestions. Thanks for bringing these issues to my
attention, and I hope you enjoy the software!

Jason
Industrious One


On Nov 29, 4:42 pm, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> I've been playing with it a bit. The only thing that's supremely 
> disappointing is (ironically) the keyboard settings area. The controls for 
> setting the global keystrokes are reported as "unknown" by VO and I can't 
> click on them or anything. Other than that, it's set up like a simplified web 
> page and is a thousand times more accessible than the Last Fm scrobbler.
>
> Teresa
> On Nov 29, 2010, at 8:29 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
>
>
>
> > Macupdate promo for today has a bundle of 5 apps, most of which didn't 
> > interest me. But there is one called musicality that is a desktop client 
> > for  pandora and last.fm services. Has anybody tried this app with vo on 
> > their Mac?
>
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> > motte...@gmail.com
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Re: What Apps for Blind iPhone User?

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi Mark:
I have a lot of apps I like. If you are interested in Music, then you can buy 
Ootunes. If you are in to running, or walking, you can buy iTreadmill. If you 
need your coffee fix, Starbucks has a couple of nice apps. 
HTH,

On Dec 2, 2010, at 8:54 AM, M AUSTEN wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'd like to thank all those who answered my question about changing the voice 
> on the iPhone 3GS. 
> 
> I now have my new iPhone and am looking for Apps. I've had a look at 
> Digit-Eyes and a navigation package. 
> 
> Does anyone have any suggestions for other Apps they have found useful.
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Mark
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Re: iPhone app might make recording accessible, was ok apple tv . . .

[Neil James]

Good deal. Keep us posted if you would? Thanks much.

Neil

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To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: iPhone app might make recording accessible, was ok apple tv . . 
.



No, I can't initiate playback with this app but I am going to search and see 
if there is another app for directtv like the one for dish; I never thought 
to look.


Marlaina
On Dec 2, 2010, at 7:04 AM, Neil James wrote:

Could you elaborate a bit more on this? We are switching from direct tv and 
while i've been able to schedule recordings via the iPhone app, I have not 
found a way to initiate playback of content on the dvr from the iPhone app. 
Thanks much.


Neil
- Original Message - From: "Marlaina Lieberg" <1guide...@gmail.com>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 5:46 PM
Subject: iPhone app might make recording accessible, was ok apple tv . . .


Same with Direct TV, and I don't even need an ethernet cable.  I can send 
content to my kitchen or living room receiver.

On Dec 1, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

Dish has an IPhone app that's free.  Just attach your receiver via ethernet 
cable to your router, download and install the app, and you've got control 
of your DVR.  I've had moderate success so far even in playing back content 
from the disk.



On Dec 1, 2010, at 4:40 PM, heather kd5cbl wrote:

I wish uverse, direct or dish had voiceover on their tebos!  I hope apple 
makes a tebo so I can record stuff myself or just see what is on by 
flipping through.  Heather
- Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" 


To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: OK, Apple TV is Here and a handy Remote


Just to expand on this,

DirectTV  is a different type of thing.  Apple TV lets you aggregate your 
digital media on to your TV where something like a DirecTV or Dish box 
grabs live content over the air or from space.



On Dec 1, 2010, at 1:11 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:


I wanted it because it is a toy for my man room (no offense ladies).
On Dec 1, 2010, at 3:58 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:

Wow, I would like more info on the tv; I am so behind the curve with the 
apple tv; I mean why would you want it and can it run with something 
like direct tv or is that just a ridiculously dumb question, :)


Marlaina


On Dec 1, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:

So the apple tv arrives via fedex today. I take it out of the box and 
yep, it looks cool, kind of space age like. I unwrapped it and then the 
remote. I decide oh well, what do these buttons on the remote do 
(curiosity killed the cat). Whala, press the button and my Mac mini 
fires up ITunes and starts playing the first song in the list. Does 
anyone have a list of how to functions for the remote? I haven't hooked 
up the TV yet because I don't have the handy dandy HDMI cable. Once I 
hook it up, get it running and play with it some, I'll pass along any 
learnings.


Kev

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Re: What Apps for Blind iPhone User?

[heather kd5cbl]

Eh!  Coffee fixed?  Your phone can fix coffee?   Heather
- Original Message - 
From: "Sarai Bucciarelli" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: What Apps for Blind iPhone User?



Hi Mark:
I have a lot of apps I like. If you are interested in Music, then you can 
buy Ootunes. If you are in to running, or walking, you can buy iTreadmill. 
If you need your coffee fix, Starbucks has a couple of nice apps.

HTH,

On Dec 2, 2010, at 8:54 AM, M AUSTEN wrote:


Hi,

I'd like to thank all those who answered my question about changing the 
voice on the iPhone 3GS.


I now have my new iPhone and am looking for Apps. I've had a look at 
Digit-Eyes and a navigation package.


Does anyone have any suggestions for other Apps they have found useful.

Many thanks,

Mark

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Re: What Apps for Blind iPhone User?

[Kimberly thurman]

I believe they meant that you can find a Starbucks using your iPhone and 
purchase a cup of coffee when you arrive there.  :).  
On Dec 2, 2010, at 8:41 PM, heather kd5cbl wrote:

> Eh!  Coffee fixed?  Your phone can fix coffee?   Heather
> - Original Message - From: "Sarai Bucciarelli" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 6:50 PM
> Subject: Re: What Apps for Blind iPhone User?
> 
> 
>> Hi Mark:
>> I have a lot of apps I like. If you are interested in Music, then you can 
>> buy Ootunes. If you are in to running, or walking, you can buy iTreadmill. 
>> If you need your coffee fix, Starbucks has a couple of nice apps.
>> HTH,
>> 
>> On Dec 2, 2010, at 8:54 AM, M AUSTEN wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I'd like to thank all those who answered my question about changing the 
>>> voice on the iPhone 3GS.
>>> 
>>> I now have my new iPhone and am looking for Apps. I've had a look at 
>>> Digit-Eyes and a navigation package.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have any suggestions for other Apps they have found useful.
>>> 
>>> Many thanks,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
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Re: What Apps for Blind iPhone User?

[heather kd5cbl]

Ah I figured that!  I think their not hard to find, isn't there one every 
1.5 miles, woe!  Heather
- Original Message - 
From: "Kimberly thurman" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: What Apps for Blind iPhone User?


I believe they meant that you can find a Starbucks using your iPhone and 
purchase a cup of coffee when you arrive there.  :).

On Dec 2, 2010, at 8:41 PM, heather kd5cbl wrote:


Eh!  Coffee fixed?  Your phone can fix coffee?   Heather
- Original Message - From: "Sarai Bucciarelli" 


To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: What Apps for Blind iPhone User?



Hi Mark:
I have a lot of apps I like. If you are interested in Music, then you 
can buy Ootunes. If you are in to running, or walking, you can buy 
iTreadmill. If you need your coffee fix, Starbucks has a couple of nice 
apps.

HTH,

On Dec 2, 2010, at 8:54 AM, M AUSTEN wrote:


Hi,

I'd like to thank all those who answered my question about changing the 
voice on the iPhone 3GS.


I now have my new iPhone and am looking for Apps. I've had a look at 
Digit-Eyes and a navigation package.


Does anyone have any suggestions for other Apps they have found useful.

Many thanks,

Mark

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Re: question on how to move the mouse

[Mike Arrigo]

Ok, in that case, move the voiceover cursor to the item, press control option 
command f5 to move the mouse to it, then press control option sift space to 
click the mouse.
On Dec 1, 2010, at 8:50 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:

> Ok, I get that.  But Esther said she uses the mouse to find the sample button 
> on audible to hear book samples.  I should have been more clear that I want 
> to know how to do that sort of thing.
> 
> Marlaina
> On Dec 1, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> 
> You would use the voiceover cursor for that, there's no need to involve the 
> mouse, use the control option arrow keys for that. Voice over does not use 
> the mouse for reviewing the way windows screen readers do.
> On Nov 30, 2010, at 9:03 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
> 
>> Ok but if I want to explore a page or a document using the mouse, how do I 
>> do that?
>> On Nov 30, 2010, at 6:56 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>> 
>> This depends on how you want to move it. Pressing control option command F5 
>> will move the mouse to the item the voice over cursor is on. You can also 
>> set the mouse to follow the voice over cursor, this is a setting in voice 
>> over utility.
>> On Nov 30, 2010, at 6:00 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>> 
>>> Any ideas would be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Marlaina
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Re: Numbers Podcast

[Dan Roy]

Alison, thanks vary much, I am looking forward to it!


On Dec 2, 2010, at 3:34 PM, Allison Manzino wrote:

> Hi again all,
> 
> I'm sorry for the multiple posts, but since I'm  posting about different 
> topics, I thought it would be easier to write multiple messages. I remember a 
> while ago someone had asked for a podcast on Numbers. I'm unsure of how to 
> use Numbers, but I will learn the basics and put one up. If anyone is 
> interested I will post the link here when it's done. Have a great day.
> 
> Musically,
> Allison
> 
> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
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I can't receive mail but I can send? what the?

[Sarah Alawami]

Hello all. I cannot receive mail as it says the password is incorrect.. I can 
how ever send mail for now anyways. I tried syncing my phone to my computer 
with the same results, bit my mail works on my computer. I have checked all of 
the settings and all looks well. I tried relaunching mail and restarting the 
phone.

any suggestions?

S

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Re: Can keyboard only navigation ever be...

[Scott Ford]

Hi John,I was just mentioning on the list the other day, that I frequently find myself needing to bootinto windows on my Mac to complete work because the application does not exist or thedoes not work as well as on the PC.  I truly feel that the Mac software is making leaps and great strides with every new release, however looking at the two platforms critically I feel the Mac is just not quite there.  I am willing to bet that within the next year this will not be the case.  The switchers are growing by the day.  The other little option not found on the pc  is the fact that one can boot into windows or run vm ware fusion to access windows.  On their Mac.  I am  an Adaptive Technology specialist, every month I am getting more and more requests about the Mac.  The truth is that many people dislike the fact that one must use many more keys than on the pc, however we are seeing that Apple is addressing this with each subsequent release as well.  For example the quick nav and the magic track pad gestures for Voice over.  I guess what I am attempting to say is  that I feel the answer is not a cut and dried one.  There are positives and negatives on both sides of the issue.    The bottom line is that looking at a pure productivity stand point the pc would have it hands down right now.  This will continue to change with Apples continued commitment to voice over and the adaptive technology that it continues to incorporate in the OS.  I hope that this helps.Sincerely,ScottOn Oct 10, 2010, at 2:50 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:Carolyn, thank you, not a soap box, your comments are echoed by many, and I too do not wish to continue to pay for JAWS where not needed. but, firstly, I am not comparing apples and oranges, the single finger navigation of a PC is not thanks to Freedom Scientific nor JAWS etc, its Microsoft and Windows, all there, in the box on day one. Apple have been in this game for just as long as MS and the sighted Mac user can use their Mac in this way. All I want is that level playing field. Many are suggesting Quick Nav, sure this helps, but it is still beyond what the sighted Mac keyboard user needs to do. Again, please let's not turn this into a cost argument, you cannot say that Voice Over is better or fine or acceptable just because it costs nothing, sure there's an argument to be had there, but it's not this one, this conversation I would ask to have nothing to do with cost. its so very easy to turn this into a well Freedom Scientific and other accessibility companies charge so very much, and they do, rightly or wrongly, and therefore Apple is better. this is a conversation about one persons needs on a purely which solution works better, and can I get the Apple approach to work for me, with the benefit and wizdom of the folk on this list. I have already learned something new about Quick Nav, and that is that you can using down and left / right respecively initiate interact mode on / off. this helps a lot. Twitter @neilbarnfather Neil BarnfatherTalks List Administrator TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of CarolynSent: 10 October 2010 19:30To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Can keyboard only navigation ever be... Hi Neil and others:I have an interesting prospective, having worked with a Mac for almost a year, and only made the switch semi-successfully.  Further, I'm not a genius, a tech expert, or even a wizzard.  I'm just a computer user who is fascinated by what I can achieve with the technology and like to use it for my daily functioning. Having said these things, I've never been one to accomplish tasks with JAWS using one finger.  That to me is a big stretch.  Unless, of course you are a wizzard:).Secondly, you are comparing Apples with Oranges here.  Two totally different operating systems, two totally different ways of doing things.  Microsoft has been doing their thing including JAWS since the 80's or at least the early 90's  If you're bent on being a finger wizzard, ok, great for you.   I also find myself frustrated by some of the fingering requirements of the OS with Voiceover.  It's far from perfect.  But, to    expect the same level of comfort from a system that is a standard, out-of-the-box system is putting the bar too high for a company that is finally trying to level the playingfield for us.Perhaps I'm on the defensive because I've made a big investment in time and energy to get as far as I have on the MAC.  But, I did so knowing this field hasn't been thoroughly plowed.  I wanted to have an option other than paying Freedom Scientific another 900 to get JAWS up-to-date.  Which meant no new computer for at least a couple more years.  So, I requested a Mac as a Christmas present, and I'm doing my best to make this an option for me and others who, like me, don't think we should have

Re: I can't receive mail but I can send? what the?

[Jon Cohn]

Wait a while and try again.  The Apple always says try setting the password 
when the login fails, even if the mail server says I am too busy to handle your 
login, or account locked because  of too many connections to account.

If problem continues for more then 1 hour, and  there is no friendly person to 
call for mail support then try a reboot, I once found this to help.

Jon

On Dec 2, 2010, at 9:56 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> Hello all. I cannot receive mail as it says the password is incorrect.. I can 
> how ever send mail for now anyways. I tried syncing my phone to my computer 
> with the same results, bit my mail works on my computer. I have checked all 
> of the settings and all looks well. I tried relaunching mail and restarting 
> the phone.
> 
> any suggestions?
> 
> S
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Western Digital "my Passport" .. skip the bundled software.

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

It would start doing its own back up  when the VO cursor passed over the 
"backup" button without pressing it.  On my disk that I got on Black Friday 
from Apple, it appears that the software actually on the disk is incompatible 
with Snow Leopard, so I downloaded a version much newer, installed the WD 
special SW that is supposed to speed up disk access, download new disk firmware 
and then got only 40GB stored iVia time machine before the disk claimed to be 
mangled beyond any additional writing.

After uninstalling the WD software from my applications, and rebuilding the HFS 
partition a fourth time, the drive is working faster at time machine backups, 
and passed the disk utility first aid tests.

If anybody wants the software that causes the Virtual CD to disappear  I have 
it stashed away.

Jon
Beware of the WD software that Western Digital supplies.  I spent several hours 
fighting the beast and getting corrupt disk partitions, and locked up WD 
software.  Also found that 

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Re: The Resetting of Prams

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Marlaina,

Actually, I'm trying to do this on an MBP{ and having no luck.  I imagine I'll 
get it at some point, though.

Les

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Re: can't get voiceover going after an installation

[Jude DaShiell]

Might it be that it makes no difference how you insert a DVD into the mac 
mini it will try an installation with the right side up or down?  If 
that's the case, the label on the top side of the DVD could interfere with 
the reading and installation and in that way leave you with an unuseable 
computer?  This would mean that the mac mini has an incorrectly calibrated 
dvd sensitivity reader which is allowing an install attempt with the dvd 
inserted in the machine in the wrong way. On Thu, 2 Dec 2010, Marc Workman 
wrote:



Hello again,

I wasn't able to get voiceover running on my new Mac Mini, so I decided to just 
install, or perhaps reinstall, the OS.  The installation went fine, but after 
the restart, I'm still not able to get VO going using either command F5, 
control command F5, or function command F5.  I also tried pressing enter after 
a restart, since one of the archive post mentioned something about having to 
choose the setup language first, but no go.  Every keystroke seems to produce a 
bonking sound.

I've listened to a couple of podcasts of installations for both Lepard and Snow 
Lepard, and in both cases, some music started playing after the restart 
following the installation, but that didn't happen in my case.

Apologies for the nuby question, but I can't find an answer in anything I've 
read or listened to.

TIA

Marc

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Re: Is there an accessible Usenet client

[Jude DaShiell]

No, rss feeds are an infant technology as compared to usenet.  On Thu, 2 
Dec 2010, Teresa Cochran wrote:



I believe Usenet has RSS feeds, which Mail handles very nicely.

Teresa
On Dec 2, 2010, at 12:55 AM, Massimo Vettoretti wrote:



Il giorno 02/dic/2010, alle ore 06.34, Jude DaShiell ha scritto:

Pine can do nntp if configured properly.  So can alpine.

Maybe I have to be more specific. What I need and I am looking for is an 
accessible Usenet client with accessible graphical user Interface. The woman I 
am helping is making her switch from Windows to MacOsX; under windows she was 
used to manage e-mails, RSS Feeds and usenet with mozilla Thunderbird. Playing 
with terminal windows may not be very advisable, right now! :-)

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brailleconnect40 questions

[Isaac Obie]

Eric,
When I connected the bc40 to the ipod touch, the braille keys didn't do a 
thing. Why is this?
the function keys did nothing either. I've done no mapping though. Just 
trying to learn the display and how it functions when connecte to Apple 
products. Thanks.
Isaac 


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bootcamp windows xp

[Oriol Gómez]

Hi all,
Has any of you found an accessible way to install windows xp while
going bootcamp? I understand it might be possible with an answer file,
but I don't really want to use my own since mine is set to format all
partitions, even though I doubt it'll format the mac.
What do you all think?

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Re: musicality

[Teresa Cochran]

Thank you very much for dropping by the list. Jason. I'm looking forward to 
using more and more of this application, and I really appreciate your 
participation in the discussion.

Teresa
On Dec 2, 2010, at 4:34 PM, starkos wrote:

> I'm Jason Perkins, the author of Musicality. I just wanted to pop in
> and let you know that I saw this thread, and I'll take a look at the
> issues you've raised.
> 
> Those keyboard shortcut controls that are coming up as "unknown" are
> provided by a third-party library, which happens to be open source, so
> I might be able to fix it.
> 
> As far as navigating within the various services (Pandora,
> Grooveshark), I'm at the mercy of their websites, at least for now. I
> do have a search feature in the works which would allow you to select
> a playlist or create a station right from an OS X menu (much like
> Spotlight search) instead of navigating the websites.
> 
> I am very open to feedback of any kind. I don't want to spam the list,
> so feel free to contact me at supp...@industriousone.com with any
> questions or suggestions. Thanks for bringing these issues to my
> attention, and I hope you enjoy the software!
> 
> Jason
> Industrious One
> 
> 
> On Nov 29, 4:42 pm, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>> I've been playing with it a bit. The only thing that's supremely 
>> disappointing is (ironically) the keyboard settings area. The controls for 
>> setting the global keystrokes are reported as "unknown" by VO and I can't 
>> click on them or anything. Other than that, it's set up like a simplified 
>> web page and is a thousand times more accessible than the Last Fm scrobbler.
>> 
>> Teresa
>> On Nov 29, 2010, at 8:29 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Macupdate promo for today has a bundle of 5 apps, most of which didn't 
>>> interest me. But there is one called musicality that is a desktop client 
>>> for  pandora and last.fm services. Has anybody tried this app with vo on 
>>> their Mac?
>> 
>>> Mary Otten
>>> motte...@gmail.com
>> 
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Can't Get Home Sharing Working

[Marc Workman]

Hi,

I can't seem to get home sharing working.  I've authorized two different 
computers, I've turned on home sharing, and I gather I'm supposed to be able to 
find the other computer somewhere, but I don't know where to look.  I couldn't 
find anything in the archives concerning this specific issue.

Any thoughts or suggestions would be very appreciated.

Regards,

Marc

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