Re: growler helper app?

[Eric Oyen]

I found some basic instructions to get this working.

http://growl.info/documentation/adium.php

I did a few extra things here, but now it speaks all chat. :)

-Eric

On Oct 15, 2010, at 4:05 PM, Colin M wrote:

> Hi Rafaela! and Eric!
> I do not know if this is of help, but under growl settings the applications 
> tab there is an option to set custom start button!
> And also Rafaela in that menu you might look at if adium notifications are 
> set ok!
> Hope this helps :]
> Colin
> On 15 Oct 2010, at 21:30, Rafaela Freundt wrote:
> 
>> I know, but it just doesn't make sense. it should work, it is configured to 
>> display messages as speech.
>> El 14/10/2010, a las 20:35, Eric Oyen escribió:
>> 
>>> I had the same problem. I simply turned off cursor tracking in adium's chat 
>>> window and then used the chime to announce a new message. at that point I 
>>> hit VO-end and it reads the last line. it works fairly well for me that 
>>> way. still, I would like it to read in real time like it does in skype.
>>> 
>>> -Eric
>>> 
>>> On Oct 14, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Rafaela Freundt wrote:
>>> 
 hi, I want to make growl work with adium as it does with skype. I have the 
 default style set to speech, and adium and skype both are supposedly using 
 the default style. In skype all events are announced, like when I get a 
 new chat message, and I wand it to work the same way in adium but it 
 doesn't. Growl isn't speaking.
 Do you guys know what could be going on?
 Any help is appreciated, thanks,
 Rafaela
 El 14/10/2010, a las 10:12, Eric Oyen escribió:
 
> the growler app comes with adium.
> its designed to make some aspects of various programs a little m ore 
> accessible (such as skype's chat frames).  it has a lot of speech 
> functions that can be helpful. it can also get in the way if you don't 
> need that level of verbosity for a particular application.
> 
> I got it working for skype about 2 weeks ago and never looked back.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> On Oct 14, 2010, at 5:40 AM, Scott Ford wrote:
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>>  I have downloaded the adium last night and installed it easily.  Now I 
>> am wondering why and what does the growler helper app do and why?  Where 
>> can I download it from?  Thank you.
>> Scott
>> On Oct 13, 2010, at 11:16 PM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>> 
>>> For mobile content, you'll be fine with AAC at 128 kbps. This sounds 
>>> much better than MP3 at higher frequencies and will fit nicely on a 32 
>>> GB iPhone or iPod. 
>>> 
>>> If you're listening at home or with headphones on a lazy afternoon, AAC 
>>> at 256 kbps will sound great, even for music with lots of dynamics and 
>>> detail. 
>>> 
>>> If you want lossless, Apple has its own lossless format. If you're an 
>>> audiophile and need absolute transparency with a reduced filesize, this 
>>> is the way to go.
>>> 
>>> I find I have a mix of both  lossy and lossless formats in my library. 
>>> I reserve my lossless compression for jazz, classical and a few world 
>>> music CDs. Everything else is lossy AAC at 256 kbps. If I need to sync 
>>> my iPhone, I convert everything to AAC at 128 kbps.
>>> 
>>> As an audio engineer, I have yet to find a significant deal breaker in 
>>> terms of encoding method with AAC. Mp3s are a little too messy for my 
>>> liking, but 192 kbps and up will do in a pinch.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Kevin
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Screen Readers on the Mac

[Paul Hunt]

Hello Heather. I would encourage you to start working with vo right away.
Reading is ok but doing is great. You really don't need another screen
reader on the mac because VO is part of the OS. Any other screen reader in
Windows is a compromise at best. I'm not saying that Windows Accessibility
is bad and that the screen readers don't work well. I am saying that VO
generally works better and the overall solution is more cost effective.
Think of it this way. ITunes is available for Windows and the MAC. There is
no comkparison, ITunes works much much much better on the MAC. Synching with
the IPhone is perfect. Any contact or calendar event I add on the mac synchs
flawlessly because the whole system is designed to work together. This is
true for VO on the Mac.

I hope you have a nice day. Since we're both in Austin, maybe we can get
together and work with our macs.

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of heather kd5cbl
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Subject: Re: Apple's event next wednesday

I like vo but I was wondering if apple will allow other screenreader 
programs to opperate on the mac.  I was just thinking about this because, I 
have jaws and NVDA on my windows computer.  So when jaws is giving me grief,

I can switch to NVDA which usually tells me what jaws won't or when jaws is 
stuck.  I like plan b if plan a does not work.  Heather 

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IWork accessibility

[Paul Hunt]

Hello everyone. I want IWork to be accessible. While working with an Apple
advisor I expressed some frustration about how to get feedback to the IWork
team. In each application there's a feedback option on the application's
menu. For example, I type vo+M to get to the menu and arrow right once to
get to the Pages menu. I arrow down to the feedback option and press enter.
The adviser told me that If I submit feedback this way it is routed to an
engineer on the pages team. I assume it works the same for the other IWork
applications and other apple products as well. 

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Windels William
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 4:47 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple's event next wednesday

Hello all,

I agree that tables isn't handled very well in pages.
Also numbers, is accessible but it's missing some navigation-features for
everyone like you have in ms excel.
Kenotes isn't very accessible at this moment...

Safari is very bad at this moment : braille in formfields, voiceover is
crashing when you want to give feedback on itunes :( and... busy busy busy.
There are also other sites that voiceover can't access because it's
restarting constantly.

Also, when you have parts of text in tables, you cant jump to this parts
with (shift)vo+command+n like you can do on webpages.
So, it's my experience that you need to explore the table cel by cel and
this can be very frustrated. 

I agree also that it would be nice if you can make different configs for
different programs but I don't think they will do that.

There should be more config-options for the braille-display:
specify the representations of different controls in the os like links,
checkboxes, comboboxes, radio buttons...
 Also, the information on the brailledisplay should be independent of the
speech.
It's not always interesting e.g. to have tooltips on the brailledisplay  and
the brailledisplay should not show dots 7 and 8 below a text because it's in
the voiceover-cursor.
As I understand well, everything on a brailledisplay is in the vo-cursor. If
so, it doesn't make any sence to underline.
On windows, the dots 7 and 8 are also used to show e.g. italic, bold,
underline in programs but here, this isn't possible.

I agree that it's not the main task of Apple to make tird party applications
accessible but, it would be nice if they should make a user-friendly
environment to adjust the representation of voiceover in programs that
aren't accessible out of the box.
e.g , firefox is a very good browser but, the developers aren't willing to
make it accessible with voiceover.
So, we have only 1 fully supported webbrowser and, is something works bad
with that browser, like no, we have no alternative.
The developers of opera will help but , I 
think it goes slow.

It's normal that programs have bugs, for shore in the beginning but, they
should make a kind of interface so that we can make a complete and efficient
bugreport of something in voiceover.

And ..., they have implemented a drag and drop function with the keyboard in
10.6 but, it seems not to work at all.
I mean, it's not doing the same for us as for sighted users.

About other voices in osx: it would be nice to have the same voices
pre-installed like in ios4 but, it's not a priority for me.

I can't understand the way Apple is taking care about their software:
Since itunes version 10, workflows aren't working anymore.
We have waited several weeks for itunes 10.0.1 and the workflow problems
aren't still fixed.
At the moment.
No, it's fixed for me with the howto's on the internet but the debug-jobs
are  something for Apple, not for the customers.
That's my opinion.
And also in this case: this problem belong to everyone , not only vo-users.

So, this is the most important of my frustrations :)


best regards,
William Windels

Op 15-okt-2010, om 22:53 heeft Justin Ekis het volgende geschreven:

> I have three enhancements that I'd like to see in voiceover with the
release of 10.7. I don't expect VO to be covered in that much detail during
this particular event, we'll probably read about the VO changes on the web
site as the release gets closer.
> 
> I'd like to see them make it possible to access the status menu icons of
other applications. Dropbox is one example of an application that puts an
icon in this menu that can't be accessed with voiceover. We can only access
the default icons like the clock, battery status, etc. 
> 
> Also, I haven't yet seen a way to navigate tables within word documents or
pdf files. If I understand things correctly, wasn't it very difficult to
read tables in web pages until the release of 10.6? Maybe this can be done
for other documents as well.
> 
> Finally, I'd really like to see the possibility of setting different
preferences for each application. For example, I might want a different
level of verbosity in a particular application.
> 
> On Oct 15, 2010, a

pandora accessibility

[chad baker]

Hi is pandora accessible if not is there a source i can go to online?
thanks

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Re: Screen Readers on the Mac

[Scott Howell]

I have to concur with these comments. I seriously doubt anyone will develop 
another screen reader for the Mac since there is little incentive. What is 
important is to continue sending feedback and suggestions to 
accessibil...@apple.com. Receiving feedback and suggestions lets APple know 
users are using the product.

On Oct 16, 2010, at 5:38 AM, Paul Hunt wrote:

> Hello Heather. I would encourage you to start working with vo right away.
> Reading is ok but doing is great. You really don't need another screen
> reader on the mac because VO is part of the OS. Any other screen reader in
> Windows is a compromise at best. I'm not saying that Windows Accessibility
> is bad and that the screen readers don't work well. I am saying that VO
> generally works better and the overall solution is more cost effective.
> Think of it this way. ITunes is available for Windows and the MAC. There is
> no comkparison, ITunes works much much much better on the MAC. Synching with
> the IPhone is perfect. Any contact or calendar event I add on the mac synchs
> flawlessly because the whole system is designed to work together. This is
> true for VO on the Mac.

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Re: IWork accessibility

[Scott Howell]

Yes. People, make use of the feedback tools made available to you. If you 
honestly believe that feedback is ignored, it is not. COmpanies that provide 
surveys and other tools for collecting information from you about your 
experience with a product is interested in what you have to say. Surveys and so 
forth cost money and companies are not willing to spend money on these things 
if  they do not intend to make use of the data.

On Oct 16, 2010, at 5:46 AM, Paul Hunt wrote:

> Hello everyone. I want IWork to be accessible. While working with an Apple
> advisor I expressed some frustration about how to get feedback to the IWork
> team. In each application there's a feedback option on the application's
> menu. For example, I type vo+M to get to the menu and arrow right once to
> get to the Pages menu. I arrow down to the feedback option and press enter.
> The adviser told me that If I submit feedback this way it is routed to an
> engineer on the pages team. I assume it works the same for the other IWork
> applications and other apple products as well. 

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RE: Apple's event next wednesday

[Paul Hunt]

Hello Justin. I hear you and you're preaching to the choir. This is ok and I
suggest that you address these issues with accessibil...@apple.com. In
addition, I suggest that you submit feeback directly to the Pages team.
There's an option on the application's menu. We are here to support each
other and we need to get our voices heard by submitting feedback to Apple.
That's what the rest of the world does and we need to do the same thing.



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Subject: Re: Apple's event next wednesday

I have three enhancements that I'd like to see in voiceover with the release
of 10.7. I don't expect VO to be covered in that much detail during this
particular event, we'll probably read about the VO changes on the web site
as the release gets closer.

I'd like to see them make it possible to access the status menu icons of
other applications. Dropbox is one example of an application that puts an
icon in this menu that can't be accessed with voiceover. We can only access
the default icons like the clock, battery status, etc. 

Also, I haven't yet seen a way to navigate tables within word documents or
pdf files. If I understand things correctly, wasn't it very difficult to
read tables in web pages until the release of 10.6? Maybe this can be done
for other documents as well.

Finally, I'd really like to see the possibility of setting different
preferences for each application. For example, I might want a different
level of verbosity in a particular application.

On Oct 15, 2010, at 10:43 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

Hi,
I would really love to see other voices in other languages and that they
ditched those trinoids, good news, bad news, boing and other nonsence voices
that belonged in the days when they didn't really know what to do with
synthetic speech, because they hadn't a screen reader then. Nowadays, there
is Voiceover so then other voices in other languages are more appropriate,
especially since the screen reader itself is actually localized into other
languages than english.
Other than that, i would love to see a better translation to Swedish of
Voiceover and the feature that the old Outspoken had, namely theability to
know where the cursor was, by hearing a beep when you spell a word, so that
if you had the word "browser" for example and you are in the middle of the
word, just between the "w" and "s", you could hear "b r o w beep s e r" and
if you then went one step to the right with the cursor, it'd go "b r o w s
beep e r" and so on.
Permanent hot spots savable on a per application basis would also be nice.
And i totally agree with more accessibility of the ILife suite would be
wonderful.
/Krister

15 okt 2010 kl. 19.25 skrev Daniel Rowe:

> Hi all.
> 
> As you might be aware, apple are holding a "Back To The Mac" event next
Wednesday at 10 eastern in Cupertino, California.  There are rumours of
possible upgrades to the MacBook Air and also the unveiling of MAC OS X
10.7.
> So, what would you like to see included in next  version of the OS, either
generally or VoiceOver specific?
> 
> Personally, I'd like to see  a female voice that is as good as Alex, and
to have voices in other languages even if it meant licensing them from
nuance as they have done in iOS.
> Accessibility improvements to garage band would be welcome, as well as
making iWeb accessible.
> The last major thing I can think of is to finally fix the issue of VO
randomly resetting itself.
> 
> I'm sure they'll come up with a load of things I haven't even thought of.
So what do you all think?
> 
> Dannie
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Re: pandora accessibility

[Charlie Doremus]

Pandora is more accessible on portable devices such as iPod, iPod touch and
iPad from what i hear from folks who use vo on a regular basis.

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 11:49 PM, chad baker  wrote:

> Hi is pandora accessible if not is there a source i can go to online?
> thanks
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Re: right and left mouse clicks in VM Fusion?

[erik burggraaf]

Hi, I got myself a nifty key remap tool for the mac, I think It's just called 
key remapper.  It restored the number pad functionality to my mac portable 
keyboard, and now I can do mouse click with the regular numpad.

That thing made my vm experience nicer by about 1000 fold.  I can't recommend  
it highly enough.

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On 2010-10-15, at 5:16 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

> Hi, I posted this before but I don't think it made it so I'm trying again.  
> Sorry if this is old news.
> 
> I'm interested in learning how you right and left mouse click in fusion?  I 
> use sharpkeys and don't see a means to define mouse clicks to keys.  On my 
> Dell I use 2 keys on the keypad which are predefined.  Can I do something 
> similar in fusion and how?
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
> 
> 
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Bringing back an iTunes library

[James Malone]

Hi all. I deleted my iTunes library by mistake. All my library is still on my 
iPod. If possible I would like to avoid recreating my library, there is 
probably over 30 gigs of stuff in there, so I really can't be bothered going 
through all that again if I don't have to. So is there any way to get your 
library off an ipod and sync it back in to itunes so nothing gets deleted?
Cheers,
James.

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Re: Bringing back an iTunes library

[Charlie Doremus]

If you are running a Mac your entire iTunes library can be found in time 
machine. 

Aloha,

Ellie

On Oct 16, 2010, at 1:00 AM, James Malone  wrote:

> Hi all. I deleted my iTunes library by mistake. All my library is still on my 
> iPod. If possible I would like to avoid recreating my library, there is 
> probably over 30 gigs of stuff in there, so I really can't be bothered going 
> through all that again if I don't have to. So is there any way to get your 
> library off an ipod and sync it back in to itunes so nothing gets deleted?
> Cheers,
> James.
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Re: messengers

[Jude DaShiell]

You have ichat to check out since that's a dedicated messenger program.On 
Wed, 13 Oct 2010, Damon Fibraio wrote:



OK, so I realize that I can do mail on my mac, but what can I do about
accessing aol or msn messengers on the Mac. Here's my deal.



Been using a MacBook pro for a while, mostly booting into win xp using
bootcamp. Well, kind of think I am stupid for doing this, and figured that
maybe it's time to learn mac osx leopard. So, going to remove the bootcamp
partition, at least I think I may do that, not entirely sure, and want to
make sure I can still get on msn or aol. I think there's a program called
adium, but not sure. Haven't gotten very far into this. So, any help you can
give me would be huge. Thanks.



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Re: messengers

[James Malone]

Yes, Adium is your friend. You can have all your messengers in one. For 
example. You can have your AOL and MSN online at the same time, as well as 
facebook chat and what have you.
On 16/10/2010, at 10:15 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> You have ichat to check out since that's a dedicated messenger program.On 
> Wed, 13 Oct 2010, Damon Fibraio wrote:
> 
>> OK, so I realize that I can do mail on my mac, but what can I do about
>> accessing aol or msn messengers on the Mac. Here's my deal.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Been using a MacBook pro for a while, mostly booting into win xp using
>> bootcamp. Well, kind of think I am stupid for doing this, and figured that
>> maybe it's time to learn mac osx leopard. So, going to remove the bootcamp
>> partition, at least I think I may do that, not entirely sure, and want to
>> make sure I can still get on msn or aol. I think there's a program called
>> adium, but not sure. Haven't gotten very far into this. So, any help you can
>> give me would be huge. Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
>> Find me on facebook as Damon fibraio or twitter as dfibraio
>> 
>> personal music site: http://www.keyboardguy.com.
>> 
>> Band web site: Days Before Tomorrow, http://www.daysbeforetomorrow.com
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Re: Bringing back an iTunes library

[James Malone]

Hmm. I didn't back it up or anything, so its not there. I guess this teaches me 
a lesson. And btw, yes, I am using a mac.
On 16/10/2010, at 10:08 PM, Charlie Doremus wrote:

> If you are running a Mac your entire iTunes library can be found in time 
> machine. 
> 
> Aloha,
> 
> Ellie
> 
> On Oct 16, 2010, at 1:00 AM, James Malone  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all. I deleted my iTunes library by mistake. All my library is still on 
>> my iPod. If possible I would like to avoid recreating my library, there is 
>> probably over 30 gigs of stuff in there, so I really can't be bothered going 
>> through all that again if I don't have to. So is there any way to get your 
>> library off an ipod and sync it back in to itunes so nothing gets deleted?
>> Cheers,
>> James.
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Re: general Mac questions / Captchas

[Jude DaShiell]

http://www.solona.net supported Windows before it supported the Mac with 
no invitations necessary like webvisum.com.On Wed, 13 Oct 2010, Ray Foret 
Jr wrote:



For me, the answer is this:

www.solona.net

There's a handy tool you can install and run via termin.app which will really 
help wi the captcha issue.  There's even a process you can do so that, in order 
to solve a captcha, you just snap a shot of the screen using shift+command+3 
and then press a hot key you define to automatically send the image to Solona 
using your Solona ID and password.  Thanks to Nickoli, this process is so 
painless, it's unbelievable.  I personally guarantee it does work.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!

Skype Name:
barefootedray

On Oct 13, 2010, at 4:57 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:


I don't have an answer for this, but I wonder...  VO-Shift-M on a
picture will bring up a contextual menu.  Could one put a send image
to Abby Reader as an acttion in there?
That would solve this problem.
Jon



My next question is regarding using the Web. Captchas-need I say more? On
the Windows side, one would remedy this problem by downloading and using
Firefox with the Web Visum plug-in, which performed OCR on the captcha
image
and placed it on the clipboard for convenient pasting into the
appropriate
edit box. Also, if you didn't wish to use Firefox, there was usually an
audio alternative. I am trying to create an iChat account on the Mac.
Naturally, this requires the use of the AOL web site. Before I can
proceed
to create my account, the web site requires that a captcha be entered.
Although they provide an audio alternative, Safari is completely unable
to
use it and the link (upon checking) is java scripted. I know that Firefox
is
not at all accessible on the Mac side (at least from the information I
received on this list), so are there any alternatives for captchas? Also
web-related, how do I go about obtaining Webkit-as some seem to think this
a
better web browsing solution in general? Your contributions, time, and
patience are appreciated.
Thanks:)
Robert Hooper
hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu

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Re: Bringing back an iTunes library

[Colin M]

Hi James!
I can not be certain but on my hd in the Itunes I've got previous library I 
think they happened when I up graded Itunes, I never backed up my library 
either but they are there so it might be worth a look, it might not have 
everything but it could have a lot!
hth Colin
On 16 Oct 2010, at 12:23, James Malone wrote:

> Hmm. I didn't back it up or anything, so its not there. I guess this teaches 
> me a lesson. And btw, yes, I am using a mac.
> On 16/10/2010, at 10:08 PM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
> 
>> If you are running a Mac your entire iTunes library can be found in time 
>> machine. 
>> 
>> Aloha,
>> 
>> Ellie
>> 
>> On Oct 16, 2010, at 1:00 AM, James Malone  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all. I deleted my iTunes library by mistake. All my library is still on 
>>> my iPod. If possible I would like to avoid recreating my library, there is 
>>> probably over 30 gigs of stuff in there, so I really can't be bothered 
>>> going through all that again if I don't have to. So is there any way to get 
>>> your library off an ipod and sync it back in to itunes so nothing gets 
>>> deleted?
>>> Cheers,
>>> James.
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Re: Bringing back an iTunes library

[ISAAC OBIE]

Hi Colin,
What library is this please? I haven't explored Itunes yet. That's next.
Thanks.
Isaac
- Original Message - 
From: "Colin M" 

To: 
Cc: "Colin M" 
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: Bringing back an iTunes library



Hi James!
I can not be certain but on my hd in the Itunes I've got previous library 
I think they happened when I up graded Itunes, I never backed up my 
library either but they are there so it might be worth a look, it might 
not have everything but it could have a lot!

hth Colin
On 16 Oct 2010, at 12:23, James Malone wrote:

Hmm. I didn't back it up or anything, so its not there. I guess this 
teaches me a lesson. And btw, yes, I am using a mac.

On 16/10/2010, at 10:08 PM, Charlie Doremus wrote:

If you are running a Mac your entire iTunes library can be found in time 
machine.


Aloha,

Ellie

On Oct 16, 2010, at 1:00 AM, James Malone  wrote:

Hi all. I deleted my iTunes library by mistake. All my library is still 
on my iPod. If possible I would like to avoid recreating my library, 
there is probably over 30 gigs of stuff in there, so I really can't be 
bothered going through all that again if I don't have to. So is there 
any way to get your library off an ipod and sync it back in to itunes 
so nothing gets deleted?

Cheers,
James.

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Re: Some stuff I did with pro tools.

[Gary Readfern-Gray]

Hi Kevin,

just seen this thread, Blabber's tight, good job. I have PT 8 but haven't done 
much with it because I've been using Logic I'll deffinately take another look 
now having heard that. Can you edit MIDI accessibly in PT or at least quantize 
it? from the jingles sounds like you can.
 
On 26 Sep 2010, at 23:54, Kevin Reeves wrote:

> Hey folks. Just wanted to throw out a quick link to a file containing 2 
> jingles I just completed with Pro Tools 8, now accessible with Voiceover. I 
> invite you to take a listen. All the sequencing, tracking, editing, mixing, 
> and mastering was done in Pro Tools. A great deal of the sounds used were 
> instruments that shipped with Pro Tools, except for the guitars and drums 
> found in the MyMac Theme. Hope you guys enjoy these.
> 
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Re: Apple's event next wednesday

[erik burggraaf]

I'd like to see better html5 support.  It's working more or less, but it could 
be better.  Improved calendar and garage band accessibility.  and a female 
voice just so as I could change it up once in a while.  If they outsource 
voices from nuance I'm going to scream.  There's no reason to buy aweful when 
we have acapela which is far better.  If they would licence acapela I'd be 
right there, but please please please save me from samantha.

Grade two braille input is a must.  I also want the magnification to go up to 
10 times without pixalating.  The magnification stuff has got to improve to a 
point where it's on a par with the rest of voiceover.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
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One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in person,
1-888-255-5194
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On 2010-10-15, at 1:43 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

> Hi,
> I would really love to see other voices in other languages and that they 
> ditched those trinoids, good news, bad news, boing and other nonsence voices 
> that belonged in the days when they didn't really know what to do with 
> synthetic speech, because they hadn't a screen reader then. Nowadays, there 
> is Voiceover so then other voices in other languages are more appropriate, 
> especially since the screen reader itself is actually localized into other 
> languages than english.
> Other than that, i would love to see a better translation to Swedish of 
> Voiceover and the feature that the old Outspoken had, namely theability to 
> know where the cursor was, by hearing a beep when you spell a word, so that 
> if you had the word "browser" for example and you are in the middle of the 
> word, just between the "w" and "s", you could hear "b r o w beep s e r" and 
> if you then went one step to the right with the cursor, it'd go "b r o w s 
> beep e r" and so on.
> Permanent hot spots savable on a per application basis would also be nice.
> And i totally agree with more accessibility of the ILife suite would be 
> wonderful.
> /Krister
> 
> 15 okt 2010 kl. 19.25 skrev Daniel Rowe:
> 
>> Hi all.
>> 
>> As you might be aware, apple are holding a "Back To The Mac" event next 
>> Wednesday at 10 eastern in Cupertino, California.  There are rumours of 
>> possible upgrades to the MacBook Air and also the unveiling of MAC OS X 10.7.
>> So, what would you like to see included in next  version of the OS, either 
>> generally or VoiceOver specific?
>> 
>> Personally, I'd like to see  a female voice that is as good as Alex, and to 
>> have voices in other languages even if it meant licensing them from nuance 
>> as they have done in iOS.
>> Accessibility improvements to garage band would be welcome, as well as 
>> making iWeb accessible.
>> The last major thing I can think of is to finally fix the issue of VO 
>> randomly resetting itself.
>> 
>> I'm sure they'll come up with a load of things I haven't even thought of.  
>> So what do you all think?
>> 
>> Dannie
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Re: pandora accessibility

[Justin Thornton]

try pianopub
works some what and is free for mac

On Oct 16, 2010, at 5:49 AM, chad baker wrote:

> Hi is pandora accessible if not is there a source i can go to online?
> thanks
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Re: Some stuff I did with pro tools.

[Tony Bernedal]

Hi music lovers.
What is the right version to get of protools.
I saw a lot of options on the site but I guess it's the protools software I 
should get.
Do you know the cost for the software. 
regards Tony

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16 okt 2010 kl. 14.08 skrev Gary Readfern-Gray:

> Hi Kevin,
> 
> just seen this thread, Blabber's tight, good job. I have PT 8 but haven't 
> done much with it because I've been using Logic I'll deffinately take another 
> look now having heard that. Can you edit MIDI accessibly in PT or at least 
> quantize it? from the jingles sounds like you can.
> 
> On 26 Sep 2010, at 23:54, Kevin Reeves wrote:
> 
>> Hey folks. Just wanted to throw out a quick link to a file containing 2 
>> jingles I just completed with Pro Tools 8, now accessible with Voiceover. I 
>> invite you to take a listen. All the sequencing, tracking, editing, mixing, 
>> and mastering was done in Pro Tools. A great deal of the sounds used were 
>> instruments that shipped with Pro Tools, except for the guitars and drums 
>> found in the MyMac Theme. Hope you guys enjoy these.
>> 
>> http://www.kevinreeves.net/Themes.zip
>> 
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Re: Apple's event next wednesday

[Carolyn Haas]

Eric:
On the subject of  voiceover voicing, how come they only give breathing 
capability to Alex?  Also, I wonder why the other voices they have seem so weak 
by comparison?  Finally, in defense of Samaantha, I like her voice.  it seems 
to me to be the strongest option besides Alex; at least on the iPhone.  On the 
mac, if she's there under another name, she's not as strong.  As a hearing 
impaired person, I've found the voicing on the iPad the easiest of all of the 
Apple voices to understand.  But, that's just me.  
I'm interested in other people's thoughts on this.

Thanks

Carolyn Haas
chaas0...@gmail.com



On Oct 16, 2010, at 6:33 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

> I'd like to see better html5 support.  It's working more or less, but it 
> could be better.  Improved calendar and garage band accessibility.  and a 
> female voice just so as I could change it up once in a while.  If they 
> outsource voices from nuance I'm going to scream.  There's no reason to buy 
> aweful when we have acapela which is far better.  If they would licence 
> acapela I'd be right there, but please please please save me from samantha.
> 
> Grade two braille input is a must.  I also want the magnification to go up to 
> 10 times without pixalating.  The magnification stuff has got to improve to a 
> point where it's on a par with the rest of voiceover.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> User support consultant,
> One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in person,
> 1-888-255-5194
> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
> 
> On 2010-10-15, at 1:43 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I would really love to see other voices in other languages and that they 
>> ditched those trinoids, good news, bad news, boing and other nonsence voices 
>> that belonged in the days when they didn't really know what to do with 
>> synthetic speech, because they hadn't a screen reader then. Nowadays, there 
>> is Voiceover so then other voices in other languages are more appropriate, 
>> especially since the screen reader itself is actually localized into other 
>> languages than english.
>> Other than that, i would love to see a better translation to Swedish of 
>> Voiceover and the feature that the old Outspoken had, namely theability to 
>> know where the cursor was, by hearing a beep when you spell a word, so that 
>> if you had the word "browser" for example and you are in the middle of the 
>> word, just between the "w" and "s", you could hear "b r o w beep s e r" and 
>> if you then went one step to the right with the cursor, it'd go "b r o w s 
>> beep e r" and so on.
>> Permanent hot spots savable on a per application basis would also be nice.
>> And i totally agree with more accessibility of the ILife suite would be 
>> wonderful.
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 15 okt 2010 kl. 19.25 skrev Daniel Rowe:
>> 
>>> Hi all.
>>> 
>>> As you might be aware, apple are holding a "Back To The Mac" event next 
>>> Wednesday at 10 eastern in Cupertino, California.  There are rumours of 
>>> possible upgrades to the MacBook Air and also the unveiling of MAC OS X 
>>> 10.7.
>>> So, what would you like to see included in next  version of the OS, either 
>>> generally or VoiceOver specific?
>>> 
>>> Personally, I'd like to see  a female voice that is as good as Alex, and to 
>>> have voices in other languages even if it meant licensing them from nuance 
>>> as they have done in iOS.
>>> Accessibility improvements to garage band would be welcome, as well as 
>>> making iWeb accessible.
>>> The last major thing I can think of is to finally fix the issue of VO 
>>> randomly resetting itself.
>>> 
>>> I'm sure they'll come up with a load of things I haven't even thought of.  
>>> So what do you all think?
>>> 
>>> Dannie
>>> 
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Re: Bringing back an iTunes library

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

You might have to connect the Ipod and show it in Finder as a drive, then 
either start Itunes and choose that drive with Itunes and rebuild the library 
(I don't even know if that's possible, it's a theory), or copy the data from 
your Ipod to your Mac as if from one drive to another and manually rebuild the 
Itunes library.  I believe holding down the left option key after opening 
Itunes brings up the "choose library," dialog.


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Re: Bringing back an iTunes library

[Carolyn Haas]

Hi: 
I believe it backs up automagically.  If you try a spotlight search for 
something from there, you'll very likely find it.  If that doesn't work, make 
sure iTunes is not set to sync automatically.  Plug your ipod into the 
computer, and you will be asked if you want to transfer music from your iPod to 
your library.  In this way, you can restore the library.  
HTH
:)
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On Oct 16, 2010, at 5:23 AM, James Malone wrote:

> Hmm. I didn't back it up or anything, so its not there. I guess this teaches 
> me a lesson. And btw, yes, I am using a mac.
> On 16/10/2010, at 10:08 PM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
> 
>> If you are running a Mac your entire iTunes library can be found in time 
>> machine. 
>> 
>> Aloha,
>> 
>> Ellie
>> 
>> On Oct 16, 2010, at 1:00 AM, James Malone  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all. I deleted my iTunes library by mistake. All my library is still on 
>>> my iPod. If possible I would like to avoid recreating my library, there is 
>>> probably over 30 gigs of stuff in there, so I really can't be bothered 
>>> going through all that again if I don't have to. So is there any way to get 
>>> your library off an ipod and sync it back in to itunes so nothing gets 
>>> deleted?
>>> Cheers,
>>> James.
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Re: Bringing back an iTunes library

[Colin M]

Hi James!
I'm an idiot!
If you put something in the bin that you should not have!
You go in there and get it back, then wash your hands!
So go to trash open the list view and find your library and open vo+shift+m  in 
there is an option to put back, this is of course you've not emptied your trash!
Colin
On 16 Oct 2010, at 16:22, Carolyn Haas wrote:

> Hi: 
> I believe it backs up automagically.  If you try a spotlight search for 
> something from there, you'll very likely find it.  If that doesn't work, make 
> sure iTunes is not set to sync automatically.  Plug your ipod into the 
> computer, and you will be asked if you want to transfer music from your iPod 
> to your library.  In this way, you can restore the library.  
> HTH
> :)
> Carolyn Haas
> chaas0...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 16, 2010, at 5:23 AM, James Malone wrote:
> 
>> Hmm. I didn't back it up or anything, so its not there. I guess this teaches 
>> me a lesson. And btw, yes, I am using a mac.
>> On 16/10/2010, at 10:08 PM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
>> 
>>> If you are running a Mac your entire iTunes library can be found in time 
>>> machine. 
>>> 
>>> Aloha,
>>> 
>>> Ellie
>>> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2010, at 1:00 AM, James Malone  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all. I deleted my iTunes library by mistake. All my library is still on 
 my iPod. If possible I would like to avoid recreating my library, there is 
 probably over 30 gigs of stuff in there, so I really can't be bothered 
 going through all that again if I don't have to. So is there any way to 
 get your library off an ipod and sync it back in to itunes so nothing gets 
 deleted?
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Re: Apple's event next wednesday

[Cheree Heppe]

Cheree Heppe here:

Samantha is pretty good when you consider that DecTalk 32 was the Windows PC 
standard for years.

This Apple experience seems to me to be a great ground level place for blind 
consumers to set the standard expectations.

We have access to Apple.  Let's use it wisely and productively by suggesting 
accessibility directions.  Yah, we're going to get a lot of different comments, 
but that's how it works.

Apple has done really well at this point as a game changer for disability 
access.


Regards,
Cheree Heppe


- Original Message - 
From: "Carolyn Haas" 
To: 
Cc: "Carolyn Haas" 
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: Apple's event next wednesday


Eric:
On the subject of  voiceover voicing, how come they only give breathing 
capability to Alex?  Also, I wonder why the other voices they have seem so weak 
by comparison?  Finally, in defense of Samaantha, I like her voice.  it seems 
to me to be the strongest option besides Alex; at least on the iPhone.  On the 
mac, if she's there under another name, she's not as strong.  As a hearing 
impaired person, I've found the voicing on the iPad the easiest of all of the 
Apple voices to understand.  But, that's just me.  
I'm interested in other people's thoughts on this.

Thanks

Carolyn Haas
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On Oct 16, 2010, at 6:33 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

> I'd like to see better html5 support.  It's working more or less, but it 
> could be better.  Improved calendar and garage band accessibility.  and a 
> female voice just so as I could change it up once in a while.  If they 
> outsource voices from nuance I'm going to scream.  There's no reason to buy 
> aweful when we have acapela which is far better.  If they would licence 
> acapela I'd be right there, but please please please save me from samantha.
> 
> Grade two braille input is a must.  I also want the magnification to go up to 
> 10 times without pixalating.  The magnification stuff has got to improve to a 
> point where it's on a par with the rest of voiceover.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> User support consultant,
> One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in person,
> 1-888-255-5194
> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
> 
> On 2010-10-15, at 1:43 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I would really love to see other voices in other languages and that they 
>> ditched those trinoids, good news, bad news, boing and other nonsence voices 
>> that belonged in the days when they didn't really know what to do with 
>> synthetic speech, because they hadn't a screen reader then. Nowadays, there 
>> is Voiceover so then other voices in other languages are more appropriate, 
>> especially since the screen reader itself is actually localized into other 
>> languages than english.
>> Other than that, i would love to see a better translation to Swedish of 
>> Voiceover and the feature that the old Outspoken had, namely theability to 
>> know where the cursor was, by hearing a beep when you spell a word, so that 
>> if you had the word "browser" for example and you are in the middle of the 
>> word, just between the "w" and "s", you could hear "b r o w beep s e r" and 
>> if you then went one step to the right with the cursor, it'd go "b r o w s 
>> beep e r" and so on.
>> Permanent hot spots savable on a per application basis would also be nice.
>> And i totally agree with more accessibility of the ILife suite would be 
>> wonderful.
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 15 okt 2010 kl. 19.25 skrev Daniel Rowe:
>> 
>>> Hi all.
>>> 
>>> As you might be aware, apple are holding a "Back To The Mac" event next 
>>> Wednesday at 10 eastern in Cupertino, California.  There are rumours of 
>>> possible upgrades to the MacBook Air and also the unveiling of MAC OS X 
>>> 10.7.
>>> So, what would you like to see included in next  version of the OS, either 
>>> generally or VoiceOver specific?
>>> 
>>> Personally, I'd like to see  a female voice that is as good as Alex, and to 
>>> have voices in other languages even if it meant licensing them from nuance 
>>> as they have done in iOS.
>>> Accessibility improvements to garage band would be welcome, as well as 
>>> making iWeb accessible.
>>> The last major thing I can think of is to finally fix the issue of VO 
>>> randomly resetting itself.
>>> 
>>> I'm sure they'll come up with a load of things I haven't even thought of.  
>>> So what do you all think?
>>> 
>>> Dannie
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RE: Some stuff I did with pro tools.

[Cameron]

Hi.  it depends on your needs and your budget.  you don't just buy the
software.  You need an approved piece of hardware as well to use pro tools.

There are three main flavors of pro tools.  Pro tools le, pro tools m
powered, and, pro tools hd.

Pro tools le uses various avid/digidesign USB and firewire interfaces like
the m box, 003r, 003, etc.  Pro tools m powered uses m audio and Mackie
interfaces including the pro fire, project mix, onyx 16-4-2, etc.  Pro tools
hd uses high end hardware consisting of pci cards, interfaces, and other
components.

The main differences besides the I/O options are the number of tracks in a
session, and, sample rate.
  Also with hd, you can use the pci hardware to do processing which would
free up CPU.


A decent I mac or mac book pro would be fine for pro tools le and m powered,
as long as you have a second hard drive you can use, like an external
firewire drive.  For pro tools hd, you need a mac pro desktop, or, a mac
book pro with a pci express card slot and an external case to mount the pci
cards in...

As far as cost, you're looking at minimum, $300 and up.

Pro tools le or m powered are the two you'll probably want to investigate.

Chec out sweetwater or musicians friend etc to read up on specs and prices.

Cameron.







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Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 11:22 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some stuff I did with pro tools.

Hi music lovers.
What is the right version to get of protools.
I saw a lot of options on the site but I guess it's the protools software I
should get.
Do you know the cost for the software. 
regards Tony

Med vänlig hälsning
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Blogg samt tips och trix om it, datorer och andra tekniska prylar för
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16 okt 2010 kl. 14.08 skrev Gary Readfern-Gray:

> Hi Kevin,
> 
> just seen this thread, Blabber's tight, good job. I have PT 8 but haven't
done much with it because I've been using Logic I'll deffinately take
another look now having heard that. Can you edit MIDI accessibly in PT or at
least quantize it? from the jingles sounds like you can.
> 
> On 26 Sep 2010, at 23:54, Kevin Reeves wrote:
> 
>> Hey folks. Just wanted to throw out a quick link to a file containing 2
jingles I just completed with Pro Tools 8, now accessible with Voiceover. I
invite you to take a listen. All the sequencing, tracking, editing, mixing,
and mastering was done in Pro Tools. A great deal of the sounds used were
instruments that shipped with Pro Tools, except for the guitars and drums
found in the MyMac Theme. Hope you guys enjoy these.
>> 
>> http://www.kevinreeves.net/Themes.zip
>> 
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Re: Apple's event next wednesday

[erik burggraaf]

Hi,  Alex is really new, and the other voices that come with mac are really 
legacy.  I suspect breathing wasn't even a consideration when the older voices 
were being developed.  I've got alex running so fast here, that I never even 
notice him breathing.

As far as Samantha, she is just about the snottiest manliest woman I have ever 
heard.  If she came up to me and said, "can I help you sir?", I'd be tempted to 
punch her in the nose.  She sounds like she smokes way too much.  Aside from 
just generally not liking her attitude, I find all the nuance voices a bit 
choppy, and I find they don't distinguish properly between b's p's and V's, or 
d's and T's, or S's and F's.  Tom's especially bad for that.  I don't know how 
most people stand him.  Karen at least has a nice sounding voice tone, and I 
can live with the fact that she's australian.  

The acapela voices are absolutely great.  They have amazing tone and 
inflection, they are nearly as smooth as alex.  They just sound fantasttic.  It 
would be nice to date heather just once.  You know, I really should get out 
more if this is how I'm thinking about my computer.

Have fun,

Erik Burggraaf
User support consultant,
One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in person,
1-888-255-5194
http://www.erik-burggraaf.com

On 2010-10-16, at 11:30 AM, Carolyn Haas wrote:

> Eric:
> On the subject of  voiceover voicing, how come they only give breathing 
> capability to Alex?  Also, I wonder why the other voices they have seem so 
> weak by comparison?  Finally, in defense of Samaantha, I like her voice.  it 
> seems to me to be the strongest option besides Alex; at least on the iPhone.  
> On the mac, if she's there under another name, she's not as strong.  As a 
> hearing impaired person, I've found the voicing on the iPad the easiest of 
> all of the Apple voices to understand.  But, that's just me.  
> I'm interested in other people's thoughts on this.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Carolyn Haas
> chaas0...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 16, 2010, at 6:33 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
> 
>> I'd like to see better html5 support.  It's working more or less, but it 
>> could be better.  Improved calendar and garage band accessibility.  and a 
>> female voice just so as I could change it up once in a while.  If they 
>> outsource voices from nuance I'm going to scream.  There's no reason to buy 
>> aweful when we have acapela which is far better.  If they would licence 
>> acapela I'd be right there, but please please please save me from samantha.
>> 
>> Grade two braille input is a must.  I also want the magnification to go up 
>> to 10 times without pixalating.  The magnification stuff has got to improve 
>> to a point where it's on a par with the rest of voiceover.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> User support consultant,
>> One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in 
>> person,
>> 1-888-255-5194
>> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>> 
>> On 2010-10-15, at 1:43 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I would really love to see other voices in other languages and that they 
>>> ditched those trinoids, good news, bad news, boing and other nonsence 
>>> voices that belonged in the days when they didn't really know what to do 
>>> with synthetic speech, because they hadn't a screen reader then. Nowadays, 
>>> there is Voiceover so then other voices in other languages are more 
>>> appropriate, especially since the screen reader itself is actually 
>>> localized into other languages than english.
>>> Other than that, i would love to see a better translation to Swedish of 
>>> Voiceover and the feature that the old Outspoken had, namely theability to 
>>> know where the cursor was, by hearing a beep when you spell a word, so that 
>>> if you had the word "browser" for example and you are in the middle of the 
>>> word, just between the "w" and "s", you could hear "b r o w beep s e r" and 
>>> if you then went one step to the right with the cursor, it'd go "b r o w s 
>>> beep e r" and so on.
>>> Permanent hot spots savable on a per application basis would also be nice.
>>> And i totally agree with more accessibility of the ILife suite would be 
>>> wonderful.
>>> /Krister
>>> 
>>> 15 okt 2010 kl. 19.25 skrev Daniel Rowe:
>>> 
 Hi all.
 
 As you might be aware, apple are holding a "Back To The Mac" event next 
 Wednesday at 10 eastern in Cupertino, California.  There are rumours of 
 possible upgrades to the MacBook Air and also the unveiling of MAC OS X 
 10.7.
 So, what would you like to see included in next  version of the OS, either 
 generally or VoiceOver specific?
 
 Personally, I'd like to see  a female voice that is as good as Alex, and 
 to have voices in other languages even if it meant licensing them from 
 nuance as they have done in iOS.
 Accessibility improvements to garage band would be welcome, as well as 
 making iWeb accessible.
 The last major thing

What's up with victoria voice

[Colin M]

I hear a lot of talk about no decent female voice on vo!
I've been using Victoria from since I found her!
I know that it is personal choice but I have Alex as well giving me alerts and 
I think Victoria matches him easily!
So I wonder if people might be confusing Victoria with Vicky!
Who is not as good!
Maybe changing Victoria's pitch might help some people! :]
All the best Colin

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Re: Bringing back an iTunes library

[Teresa Cochran]

I've consistently found my Itunes Library in Music/Itunes/Itunes Library.

Teresa

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Re: Apple's event next wednesday

[Carolyn Haas]

to lay off the coffee and cigs for a while, but I hear smile in her voice.

I can't do fast speech like some of you guys do.  I wonder if it's a guy thing, 
or if it's as I suspect a hearing thing.  
Anyway, I hope VO continues to improve as did the voicing on Jaws, dectalk etc. 
 
CarolynericK;
In defense of Samantha, my y  my, what a temper So, actually, I like her 
voice:)  She seems to smile, to me, but then again, I'm kind of deaf.  So, 
consider the source:).
I do agree she might want 
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On Oct 16, 2010, at 10:10 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

> Hi,  Alex is really new, and the other voices that come with mac are really 
> legacy.  I suspect breathing wasn't even a consideration when the older 
> voices were being developed.  I've got alex running so fast here, that I 
> never even notice him breathing.
> 
> As far as Samantha, she is just about the snottiest manliest woman I have 
> ever heard.  If she came up to me and said, "can I help you sir?", I'd be 
> tempted to punch her in the nose.  She sounds like she smokes way too much.  
> Aside from just generally not liking her attitude, I find all the nuance 
> voices a bit choppy, and I find they don't distinguish properly between b's 
> p's and V's, or d's and T's, or S's and F's.  Tom's especially bad for that.  
> I don't know how most people stand him.  Karen at least has a nice sounding 
> voice tone, and I can live with the fact that she's australian.  
> 
> The acapela voices are absolutely great.  They have amazing tone and 
> inflection, they are nearly as smooth as alex.  They just sound fantasttic.  
> It would be nice to date heather just once.  You know, I really should get 
> out more if this is how I'm thinking about my computer.
> 
> Have fun,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> User support consultant,
> One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in person,
> 1-888-255-5194
> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
> 
> On 2010-10-16, at 11:30 AM, Carolyn Haas wrote:
> 
>> Eric:
>> On the subject of  voiceover voicing, how come they only give breathing 
>> capability to Alex?  Also, I wonder why the other voices they have seem so 
>> weak by comparison?  Finally, in defense of Samaantha, I like her voice.  it 
>> seems to me to be the strongest option besides Alex; at least on the iPhone. 
>>  On the mac, if she's there under another name, she's not as strong.  As a 
>> hearing impaired person, I've found the voicing on the iPad the easiest of 
>> all of the Apple voices to understand.  But, that's just me.  
>> I'm interested in other people's thoughts on this.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Carolyn Haas
>> chaas0...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 16, 2010, at 6:33 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
>> 
>>> I'd like to see better html5 support.  It's working more or less, but it 
>>> could be better.  Improved calendar and garage band accessibility.  and a 
>>> female voice just so as I could change it up once in a while.  If they 
>>> outsource voices from nuance I'm going to scream.  There's no reason to buy 
>>> aweful when we have acapela which is far better.  If they would licence 
>>> acapela I'd be right there, but please please please save me from samantha.
>>> 
>>> Grade two braille input is a must.  I also want the magnification to go up 
>>> to 10 times without pixalating.  The magnification stuff has got to improve 
>>> to a point where it's on a par with the rest of voiceover.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Erik Burggraaf
>>> User support consultant,
>>> One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in 
>>> person,
>>> 1-888-255-5194
>>> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>>> 
>>> On 2010-10-15, at 1:43 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 I would really love to see other voices in other languages and that they 
 ditched those trinoids, good news, bad news, boing and other nonsence 
 voices that belonged in the days when they didn't really know what to do 
 with synthetic speech, because they hadn't a screen reader then. Nowadays, 
 there is Voiceover so then other voices in other languages are more 
 appropriate, especially since the screen reader itself is actually 
 localized into other languages than english.
 Other than that, i would love to see a better translation to Swedish of 
 Voiceover and the feature that the old Outspoken had, namely theability to 
 know where the cursor was, by hearing a beep when you spell a word, so 
 that if you had the word "browser" for example and you are in the middle 
 of the word, just between the "w" and "s", you could hear "b r o w beep s 
 e r" and if you then went one step to the right with the cursor, it'd go 
 "b r o w s beep e r" and so on.
 Permanent hot spots savable on a per application basis would also be nice.
 And i totally agree with more accessibility of the ILife suite would be 
 wonderful.
 /Krister
 
 15 okt 2010 kl. 19.25 skrev Daniel Rowe:
 
> H

Re: Bringing back an iTunes library

[Carolyn Haas]

Hi: 
I believe it backs up automagically.  If you try a spotlight search for 
something from there, you'll very likely find it.  If that doesn't work, make 
sure iTunes is not set to sync automatically.  Plug your ipod into the 
computer, and you will be asked if you want to transfer music from your iPod to 
your library.  In this way, you can restore the library.  
HTH
:)
Carolyn Haas
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On Oct 16, 2010, at 5:23 AM, James Malone wrote:

> Hmm. I didn't back it up or anything, so its not there. I guess this teaches 
> me a lesson. And btw, yes, I am using a mac.
> On 16/10/2010, at 10:08 PM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
> 
>> If you are running a Mac your entire iTunes library can be found in time 
>> machine. 
>> 
>> Aloha,
>> 
>> Ellie
>> 
>> On Oct 16, 2010, at 1:00 AM, James Malone  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all. I deleted my iTunes library by mistake. All my library is still on 
>>> my iPod. If possible I would like to avoid recreating my library, there is 
>>> probably over 30 gigs of stuff in there, so I really can't be bothered 
>>> going through all that again if I don't have to. So is there any way to get 
>>> your library off an ipod and sync it back in to itunes so nothing gets 
>>> deleted?
>>> Cheers,
>>> James.
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Re: pandora accessibility

[Charlie Doremus]

pianopub? What is it and what does it do?

On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 3:34 AM, Justin Thornton wrote:

> try pianopub
> works some what and is free for mac
>
> On Oct 16, 2010, at 5:49 AM, chad baker wrote:
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> > Hi is pandora accessible if not is there a source i can go to online?
> > thanks
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Re: Some stuff I did with pro tools.

[Tony Bernedal]

Hi Cameron.
Thanks for your answer. Now I know more about protools and the different 
editions.
I'm new to this software, I only tried sonar with differnt accessibility 
options added to it on windows, so if this solution is accessible out of the 
box it sounds very good. I have a imac here from this year so I think it'll 
work for som home studio enviroment.
again, thanks for the answer.. 
Regards Tony

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16 okt 2010 kl. 18.08 skrev Cameron:

> Hi.  it depends on your needs and your budget.  you don't just buy the
> software.  You need an approved piece of hardware as well to use pro tools.
> 
> There are three main flavors of pro tools.  Pro tools le, pro tools m
> powered, and, pro tools hd.
> 
> Pro tools le uses various avid/digidesign USB and firewire interfaces like
> the m box, 003r, 003, etc.  Pro tools m powered uses m audio and Mackie
> interfaces including the pro fire, project mix, onyx 16-4-2, etc.  Pro tools
> hd uses high end hardware consisting of pci cards, interfaces, and other
> components.
> 
> The main differences besides the I/O options are the number of tracks in a
> session, and, sample rate.
>  Also with hd, you can use the pci hardware to do processing which would
> free up CPU.
> 
> 
> A decent I mac or mac book pro would be fine for pro tools le and m powered,
> as long as you have a second hard drive you can use, like an external
> firewire drive.  For pro tools hd, you need a mac pro desktop, or, a mac
> book pro with a pci express card slot and an external case to mount the pci
> cards in...
> 
> As far as cost, you're looking at minimum, $300 and up.
> 
> Pro tools le or m powered are the two you'll probably want to investigate.
> 
> Chec out sweetwater or musicians friend etc to read up on specs and prices.
> 
> Cameron.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tony Bernedal
> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 11:22 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Some stuff I did with pro tools.
> 
> Hi music lovers.
> What is the right version to get of protools.
> I saw a lot of options on the site but I guess it's the protools software I
> should get.
> Do you know the cost for the software. 
> regards Tony
> 
> Med vänlig hälsning
> Tony Bernedal
> tony.berne...@gmail.com
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> synskadade
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 16 okt 2010 kl. 14.08 skrev Gary Readfern-Gray:
> 
>> Hi Kevin,
>> 
>> just seen this thread, Blabber's tight, good job. I have PT 8 but haven't
> done much with it because I've been using Logic I'll deffinately take
> another look now having heard that. Can you edit MIDI accessibly in PT or at
> least quantize it? from the jingles sounds like you can.
>> 
>> On 26 Sep 2010, at 23:54, Kevin Reeves wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey folks. Just wanted to throw out a quick link to a file containing 2
> jingles I just completed with Pro Tools 8, now accessible with Voiceover. I
> invite you to take a listen. All the sequencing, tracking, editing, mixing,
> and mastering was done in Pro Tools. A great deal of the sounds used were
> instruments that shipped with Pro Tools, except for the guitars and drums
> found in the MyMac Theme. Hope you guys enjoy these.
>>> 
>>> http://www.kevinreeves.net/Themes.zip
>>> 
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RE: Some stuff I did with pro tools.

[Cameron]

Hi.  for audio, it's mostly accessible, although the learning curve is
steeper than it is for sonar etc.  midi is pretty much a no go for the time
being though in pro tools as you can't edit individual midi events.

Cameron.





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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tony Bernedal
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 2:29 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Some stuff I did with pro tools.

Hi Cameron.
Thanks for your answer. Now I know more about protools and the different
editions.
I'm new to this software, I only tried sonar with differnt accessibility
options added to it on windows, so if this solution is accessible out of the
box it sounds very good. I have a imac here from this year so I think it'll
work for som home studio enviroment.
again, thanks for the answer.. 
Regards Tony

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16 okt 2010 kl. 18.08 skrev Cameron:

> Hi.  it depends on your needs and your budget.  you don't just buy the
> software.  You need an approved piece of hardware as well to use pro
tools.
> 
> There are three main flavors of pro tools.  Pro tools le, pro tools m
> powered, and, pro tools hd.
> 
> Pro tools le uses various avid/digidesign USB and firewire interfaces like
> the m box, 003r, 003, etc.  Pro tools m powered uses m audio and Mackie
> interfaces including the pro fire, project mix, onyx 16-4-2, etc.  Pro
tools
> hd uses high end hardware consisting of pci cards, interfaces, and other
> components.
> 
> The main differences besides the I/O options are the number of tracks in a
> session, and, sample rate.
>  Also with hd, you can use the pci hardware to do processing which would
> free up CPU.
> 
> 
> A decent I mac or mac book pro would be fine for pro tools le and m
powered,
> as long as you have a second hard drive you can use, like an external
> firewire drive.  For pro tools hd, you need a mac pro desktop, or, a mac
> book pro with a pci express card slot and an external case to mount the
pci
> cards in...
> 
> As far as cost, you're looking at minimum, $300 and up.
> 
> Pro tools le or m powered are the two you'll probably want to investigate.
> 
> Chec out sweetwater or musicians friend etc to read up on specs and
prices.
> 
> Cameron.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tony Bernedal
> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 11:22 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Some stuff I did with pro tools.
> 
> Hi music lovers.
> What is the right version to get of protools.
> I saw a lot of options on the site but I guess it's the protools software
I
> should get.
> Do you know the cost for the software. 
> regards Tony
> 
> Med vänlig hälsning
> Tony Bernedal
> tony.berne...@gmail.com
> Blogg samt tips och trix om it, datorer och andra tekniska prylar för
> synskadade
> www.tbteknik.se
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 16 okt 2010 kl. 14.08 skrev Gary Readfern-Gray:
> 
>> Hi Kevin,
>> 
>> just seen this thread, Blabber's tight, good job. I have PT 8 but haven't
> done much with it because I've been using Logic I'll deffinately take
> another look now having heard that. Can you edit MIDI accessibly in PT or
at
> least quantize it? from the jingles sounds like you can.
>> 
>> On 26 Sep 2010, at 23:54, Kevin Reeves wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey folks. Just wanted to throw out a quick link to a file containing 2
> jingles I just completed with Pro Tools 8, now accessible with Voiceover.
I
> invite you to take a listen. All the sequencing, tracking, editing,
mixing,
> and mastering was done in Pro Tools. A great deal of the sounds used were
> instruments that shipped with Pro Tools, except for the guitars and drums
> found in the MyMac Theme. Hope you guys enjoy these.
>>> 
>>> http://www.kevinreeves.net/Themes.zip
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Re: reripping cds with iTunes 10 issues

[Kevin Shaw]

Relaunch iTunes or reboot your machine. I find this solves problems. 

5 to 10 minutes per CD sounds a little long, but with error 
checking/correction, the time will be longer to account for missing or 
corrupted data on the CD. CDs with scratches and smudges may read slower too.

There may be options in the Preferences you need to check and double check if 
you're being prompted for an import location.

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Re: Screen Readers on the Mac

[heather kd5cbl]

Ah yes, I love the mac and vo but was concerned that vo does not support 
firefox yet.  I use it on the windows side on my pc.  I am reading up on vo 
as I work on the mac.  I have not used the internet,I want to be sure I get 
all the other items down.  I am playing with the track pad trying to get the 
gestures down in conjunction with the various applications.  Maybe, we 
should meet up at the apple store.  I had to reschedule the last session 
because of white cane day.  I usually try for the mornings before the store 
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other voices on the mac

[heather kd5cbl]

You know, I would not mind having the startrek computer voice on my mac! 
Maybe I am being to geeky.  Heather 


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Re: Screen Readers on the Mac

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Heather,

On 16 Oct 2010, at 20:59, heather kd5cbl wrote:

> Ah yes, I love the mac and vo but was concerned that vo does not support 
> firefox yet.

It isn't so much that VoiceOver doesn't support FireFox, but that FireFox 
doesn't work with VoiceOver. When applications conform to Apple's 
specifications for accessibility, they automatically work with VoiceOver. 
VoiceOver is not tweaked for each application. In fact, VoiceOver isn't even a 
screen reader, it's an alternative interface with the operating system.

I hope this explains the situation a little more clearly.

Cheers,

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Re: Screen Readers on the Mac

[Eric Oyen]

Heather,
its not that voiceover doesn't support firefox, its the other  way around 
(mostly because mozilla wants more access to apples code than apple will 
allow). its a fight between apple wanting to protect their works and the open 
source project that wants free information. 

73's from Eric

On Oct 16, 2010, at 11:59 AM, heather kd5cbl wrote:

> Ah yes, I love the mac and vo but was concerned that vo does not support 
> firefox yet.  I use it on the windows side on my pc.  I am reading up on vo 
> as I work on the mac.  I have not used the internet,I want to be sure I get 
> all the other items down.  I am playing with the track pad trying to get the 
> gestures down in conjunction with the various applications.  Maybe, we should 
> meet up at the apple store.  I had to reschedule the last session because of 
> white cane day.  I usually try for the mornings before the store opens, 
> quieter.  73 Heather 
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Re: Screen Readers on the Mac

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Help with reading mails in threats needed

[Annie Skov Nielsen]

Hi all.

i got so many mails on this list and another one too, that I need to read them 
by threats. I have found out how to let the mails shown in threats, I can not 
figure out the easyst way to read them. Normally I press voiceOver+j to toggle 
between the content and the messages, but that is not as easy as this when 
reading mails by threats, how is the easist way around that.

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Web Kit

[Jeff Berwick]

Hi all,

I must admit that I haven't been following the discussions about web kit very 
closely as I didn't know what it was.  I gather, now, that it is a good thing 
for me to install.  I decided to Google for it to install it but, something 
seems to be wrong with my Google so, I can only type the "w" before my Mac 
locks up.  I've tried this three times with the same results.

Can anybody provide me the website or direct download url for web kit?

Thx,
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Re: Help with reading mails in threats needed

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Press the enter key when opening a message and voice over should start reading 
the message.

Kawal.

Kawal Gucukoglu

On 16 Oct 2010, at 08:24 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen  
wrote:

> Hi all.
> 
> i got so many mails on this list and another one too, that I need to read 
> them by threats. I have found out how to let the mails shown in threats, I 
> can not figure out the easyst way to read them. Normally I press voiceOver+j 
> to toggle between the content and the messages, but that is not as easy as 
> this when reading mails by threats, how is the easist way around that.
> 
> Best regards Annie.
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Re: Web Kit

[Tony Bernedal]

Go to 
www.webkit.org if my memory tells me right.
Regards Tony

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16 okt 2010 kl. 21.39 skrev Jeff Berwick:

> Hi all,
> 
> I must admit that I haven't been following the discussions about web kit very 
> closely as I didn't know what it was.  I gather, now, that it is a good thing 
> for me to install.  I decided to Google for it to install it but, something 
> seems to be wrong with my Google so, I can only type the "w" before my Mac 
> locks up.  I've tried this three times with the same results.
> 
> Can anybody provide me the website or direct download url for web kit?
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
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Re: Web Kit

[Sarah Alawami]

http://webkit.org.

Take care.
On Oct 16, 2010, at 12:39 PM, Jeff Berwick wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I must admit that I haven't been following the discussions about web kit very 
> closely as I didn't know what it was.  I gather, now, that it is a good thing 
> for me to install.  I decided to Google for it to install it but, something 
> seems to be wrong with my Google so, I can only type the "w" before my Mac 
> locks up.  I've tried this three times with the same results.
> 
> Can anybody provide me the website or direct download url for web kit?
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
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Re: Help with reading mails in threats needed

[Sarah Alawami]

Hello. hit enter on the message thread and all of them will open. you can also 
open the thread by hitting right arrow or checking the collapse expand check 
box and selecting the messages by selecting the unread messages. you will know 
this by  a sound followed by the word unread image. then hit enter.

Good luck. o
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> Hi all.
> 
> i got so many mails on this list and another one too, that I need to read 
> them by threats. I have found out how to let the mails shown in threats, I 
> can not figure out the easyst way to read them. Normally I press voiceOver+j 
> to toggle between the content and the messages, but that is not as easy as 
> this when reading mails by threats, how is the easist way around that.
> 
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Re: Bringing back an iTunes library

[Sarah Alawami]

Nope you can't copy data from an ipod and you can't see it as a drive eather. 
at least I can't with my iphone.

Take care.
On Oct 16, 2010, at 8:38 AM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:

> You might have to connect the Ipod and show it in Finder as a drive, then 
> either start Itunes and choose that drive with Itunes and rebuild the library 
> (I don't even know if that's possible, it's a theory), or copy the data from 
> your Ipod to your Mac as if from one drive to another and manually rebuild 
> the Itunes library.  I believe holding down the left option key after opening 
> Itunes brings up the "choose library," dialog.
> 
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Re: Bringing back an iTunes library

[Sarah Alawami]

Huh? I've never been asked to do that when I connect my iphone. I realise that 
these are 2 different beasts but itunes works the same. I think?

Take care.

S
On Oct 16, 2010, at 8:22 AM, Carolyn Haas wrote:

> Hi: 
> I believe it backs up automagically.  If you try a spotlight search for 
> something from there, you'll very likely find it.  If that doesn't work, make 
> sure iTunes is not set to sync automatically.  Plug your ipod into the 
> computer, and you will be asked if you want to transfer music from your iPod 
> to your library.  In this way, you can restore the library.  
> HTH
> :)
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> 
> 
> On Oct 16, 2010, at 5:23 AM, James Malone wrote:
> 
>> Hmm. I didn't back it up or anything, so its not there. I guess this teaches 
>> me a lesson. And btw, yes, I am using a mac.
>> On 16/10/2010, at 10:08 PM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
>> 
>>> If you are running a Mac your entire iTunes library can be found in time 
>>> machine. 
>>> 
>>> Aloha,
>>> 
>>> Ellie
>>> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2010, at 1:00 AM, James Malone  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all. I deleted my iTunes library by mistake. All my library is still on 
 my iPod. If possible I would like to avoid recreating my library, there is 
 probably over 30 gigs of stuff in there, so I really can't be bothered 
 going through all that again if I don't have to. So is there any way to 
 get your library off an ipod and sync it back in to itunes so nothing gets 
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Re: Help with reading mails in threats needed

[Sarah Alawami]

Ok it should start reading the message is the key. if not go to view under 
prefs and set the headers to none. then it should start reading the messages. 
to view the long headers for any message press cmd shift h.

Good luck.
On Oct 16, 2010, at 12:47 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> Press the enter key when opening a message and voice over should start 
> reading the message.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> Kawal Gucukoglu
> 
> On 16 Oct 2010, at 08:24 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all.
>> 
>> i got so many mails on this list and another one too, that I need to read 
>> them by threats. I have found out how to let the mails shown in threats, I 
>> can not figure out the easyst way to read them. Normally I press voiceOver+j 
>> to toggle between the content and the messages, but that is not as easy as 
>> this when reading mails by threats, how is the easist way around that.
>> 
>> Best regards Annie.
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Re: Apple's event next wednesday

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi, i take Samantha over trinoids, boing, bad news and the other unnecessary 
stuff any day.
/Krister

16 okt 2010 kl. 17.30 skrev Carolyn Haas:

> Eric:
> On the subject of  voiceover voicing, how come they only give breathing 
> capability to Alex?  Also, I wonder why the other voices they have seem so 
> weak by comparison?  Finally, in defense of Samaantha, I like her voice.  it 
> seems to me to be the strongest option besides Alex; at least on the iPhone.  
> On the mac, if she's there under another name, she's not as strong.  As a 
> hearing impaired person, I've found the voicing on the iPad the easiest of 
> all of the Apple voices to understand.  But, that's just me.  
> I'm interested in other people's thoughts on this.
> 
> Thanks
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 16, 2010, at 6:33 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
> 
>> I'd like to see better html5 support.  It's working more or less, but it 
>> could be better.  Improved calendar and garage band accessibility.  and a 
>> female voice just so as I could change it up once in a while.  If they 
>> outsource voices from nuance I'm going to scream.  There's no reason to buy 
>> aweful when we have acapela which is far better.  If they would licence 
>> acapela I'd be right there, but please please please save me from samantha.
>> 
>> Grade two braille input is a must.  I also want the magnification to go up 
>> to 10 times without pixalating.  The magnification stuff has got to improve 
>> to a point where it's on a par with the rest of voiceover.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
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>> On 2010-10-15, at 1:43 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I would really love to see other voices in other languages and that they 
>>> ditched those trinoids, good news, bad news, boing and other nonsence 
>>> voices that belonged in the days when they didn't really know what to do 
>>> with synthetic speech, because they hadn't a screen reader then. Nowadays, 
>>> there is Voiceover so then other voices in other languages are more 
>>> appropriate, especially since the screen reader itself is actually 
>>> localized into other languages than english.
>>> Other than that, i would love to see a better translation to Swedish of 
>>> Voiceover and the feature that the old Outspoken had, namely theability to 
>>> know where the cursor was, by hearing a beep when you spell a word, so that 
>>> if you had the word "browser" for example and you are in the middle of the 
>>> word, just between the "w" and "s", you could hear "b r o w beep s e r" and 
>>> if you then went one step to the right with the cursor, it'd go "b r o w s 
>>> beep e r" and so on.
>>> Permanent hot spots savable on a per application basis would also be nice.
>>> And i totally agree with more accessibility of the ILife suite would be 
>>> wonderful.
>>> /Krister
>>> 
>>> 15 okt 2010 kl. 19.25 skrev Daniel Rowe:
>>> 
 Hi all.
 
 As you might be aware, apple are holding a "Back To The Mac" event next 
 Wednesday at 10 eastern in Cupertino, California.  There are rumours of 
 possible upgrades to the MacBook Air and also the unveiling of MAC OS X 
 10.7.
 So, what would you like to see included in next  version of the OS, either 
 generally or VoiceOver specific?
 
 Personally, I'd like to see  a female voice that is as good as Alex, and 
 to have voices in other languages even if it meant licensing them from 
 nuance as they have done in iOS.
 Accessibility improvements to garage band would be welcome, as well as 
 making iWeb accessible.
 The last major thing I can think of is to finally fix the issue of VO 
 randomly resetting itself.
 
 I'm sure they'll come up with a load of things I haven't even thought of.  
 So what do you all think?
 
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Re: Apple's event next wednesday

[Windels William]

hm, yes, good suggestion.
An alternative screenreader should be nice but:
It should cost money I think,
it can't have the same features from the beginning like vo since vo is already 
5 years old and had already made big  improvements.

However, it should be nice to have it for situations like you describe.

I don't know also if Apple has to make it possible or perhaps some external 
companies should understand the need of a external screenreader next to a 
built-in screenreader.
I fink we can say that vo has much more quality then a screenreader like nvda 
or narrator on windows.

Op 16-okt-2010, om 01:32 heeft heather kd5cbl het volgende geschreven:

> I like vo but I was wondering if apple will allow other screenreader programs 
> to opperate on the mac.  I was just thinking about this because, I have jaws 
> and NVDA on my windows computer.  So when jaws is giving me grief, I can 
> switch to NVDA which usually tells me what jaws won't or when jaws is stuck.  
> I like plan b if plan a does not work.  Heather 
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Re: Screen Readers on the Mac

[Scott Howell]

Heather, be clear on the fact that it is not VO that needs to support Firefox, 
but for Firefox to be made accessible for VO. There are a number of issues for 
why FireFox is not currently accessible with VO, but this is not any fault of 
Apple. The folks at Mozilla are apparently going to or were going to address 
this, but they were looking for outside assistance. At least this is how I 
recall the situation.
The framework is in place for apps to be made accessible for VO, which is a 
little different from how it works on the windows side of things.
On Oct 16, 2010, at 2:59 PM, heather kd5cbl wrote:

> Ah yes, I love the mac and vo but was concerned that vo does not support 
> firefox yet.  I use it on the windows side on my pc.  I am reading up on vo 
> as I work on the mac.  I have not used the internet,I want to be sure I get 
> all the other items down.  I am playing with the track pad trying to get the 
> gestures down in conjunction with the various applications.  Maybe, we should 
> meet up at the apple store.  I had to reschedule the last session because of 
> white cane day.  I usually try for the mornings before the store opens, 
> quieter.  73 Heather 
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Re: ways of tagging sections in a document

[Jude DaShiell]

The first thing to do is to come up with your own standard way of marking 
out section headings and stick to that.  Then since you know what your own 
standard is, you'll know how and what to search for.  I'm on the 
treasurescroll list with blindtreasures.com and just above each new 
product listing two asterisks are placed on a line by themselves.  latex 
exists and is a language very often used to mark up mathematics papers 
with section headers and the like but I suppose latex in your case might 
be the equivalent of using a deuterium bomb on a gnat.  The key here for 
finding out what others are doing though is "mark up languages".  I almost 
forgot, you might look at groff that's the latest incarnation in a long 
line that went from roff to troff and ditroff now to groff.  People were 
using those in the Apple environment back as far as the Apple II days in 
educational institutions and doing so heavily. On Wed, 13 Oct 2010, Linda 
Adams wrote:



Thanks Liam for asking this question.  I too, would be interested.  I use text 
edit and would want the tags to be permanent.  Does anything exist that would 
do this for us?

Linda

On Oct 13, 2010, at 6:17 PM, DJ Nezumi wrote:


hi
i was wondering if there is a way to tag certain sections in a
document that can be jumped to either using VO or the mac keystrokes
in general.
for example on windoes i am able to do this using the headings list in
jaws.
is there an equivalent of doing this in mac?
thanks regards
Liam

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webkit download for Jeff

[Carolyn Haas]

Here you go,  Jeff.

This should be of some help.:)

 
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=1005&bih=599&q=webkit+download&aq=f&aqi=g3g-m3g-ms1g-m1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=C7FUDkRC6TJKyD6KyNduz5JsOqgQFT9CZ-oM



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Re: pandora accessibility

[Justin Thornton]

well
lol you wanted something I assumed to work with pandora dna that is what it does
its pandora client for the mac
does not work to well but its free and ya can give it a shot
On Oct 16, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Charlie Doremus wrote:

> pianopub? What is it and what does it do?
> 
> On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 3:34 AM, Justin Thornton  
> wrote:
> try pianopub
> works some what and is free for mac
> 
> On Oct 16, 2010, at 5:49 AM, chad baker wrote:
> 
> > Hi is pandora accessible if not is there a source i can go to online?
> > thanks
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for Russ: apple support link OE

[Carolyn Haas]

Hi Russ:
I went to support to get this, and thought I'd send it along for you to play 
with.  I'll also have a look and we can link up if you have any questions I can 
confuse for you. :)


http://support.apple.com/kb/index?page=search&src=support_site.kbase.search&locale=en_US&q=import
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Re: Apple's event next wednesday

[Scott Granados]

I found a female voice once that sounded like a hot Asian girl but I haven't 
been able to find it again since.  

I'm with you though, more voice plugins would be great.  Alex is good though 
for stock!

On Oct 16, 2010, at 9:10 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

> Hi,  Alex is really new, and the other voices that come with mac are really 
> legacy.  I suspect breathing wasn't even a consideration when the older 
> voices were being developed.  I've got alex running so fast here, that I 
> never even notice him breathing.
> 
> As far as Samantha, she is just about the snottiest manliest woman I have 
> ever heard.  If she came up to me and said, "can I help you sir?", I'd be 
> tempted to punch her in the nose.  She sounds like she smokes way too much.  
> Aside from just generally not liking her attitude, I find all the nuance 
> voices a bit choppy, and I find they don't distinguish properly between b's 
> p's and V's, or d's and T's, or S's and F's.  Tom's especially bad for that.  
> I don't know how most people stand him.  Karen at least has a nice sounding 
> voice tone, and I can live with the fact that she's australian.  
> 
> The acapela voices are absolutely great.  They have amazing tone and 
> inflection, they are nearly as smooth as alex.  They just sound fantasttic.  
> It would be nice to date heather just once.  You know, I really should get 
> out more if this is how I'm thinking about my computer.
> 
> Have fun,
> 
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> 
>> Eric:
>> On the subject of  voiceover voicing, how come they only give breathing 
>> capability to Alex?  Also, I wonder why the other voices they have seem so 
>> weak by comparison?  Finally, in defense of Samaantha, I like her voice.  it 
>> seems to me to be the strongest option besides Alex; at least on the iPhone. 
>>  On the mac, if she's there under another name, she's not as strong.  As a 
>> hearing impaired person, I've found the voicing on the iPad the easiest of 
>> all of the Apple voices to understand.  But, that's just me.  
>> I'm interested in other people's thoughts on this.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Carolyn Haas
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 16, 2010, at 6:33 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
>> 
>>> I'd like to see better html5 support.  It's working more or less, but it 
>>> could be better.  Improved calendar and garage band accessibility.  and a 
>>> female voice just so as I could change it up once in a while.  If they 
>>> outsource voices from nuance I'm going to scream.  There's no reason to buy 
>>> aweful when we have acapela which is far better.  If they would licence 
>>> acapela I'd be right there, but please please please save me from samantha.
>>> 
>>> Grade two braille input is a must.  I also want the magnification to go up 
>>> to 10 times without pixalating.  The magnification stuff has got to improve 
>>> to a point where it's on a par with the rest of voiceover.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Erik Burggraaf
>>> User support consultant,
>>> One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in 
>>> person,
>>> 1-888-255-5194
>>> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>>> 
>>> On 2010-10-15, at 1:43 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 I would really love to see other voices in other languages and that they 
 ditched those trinoids, good news, bad news, boing and other nonsence 
 voices that belonged in the days when they didn't really know what to do 
 with synthetic speech, because they hadn't a screen reader then. Nowadays, 
 there is Voiceover so then other voices in other languages are more 
 appropriate, especially since the screen reader itself is actually 
 localized into other languages than english.
 Other than that, i would love to see a better translation to Swedish of 
 Voiceover and the feature that the old Outspoken had, namely theability to 
 know where the cursor was, by hearing a beep when you spell a word, so 
 that if you had the word "browser" for example and you are in the middle 
 of the word, just between the "w" and "s", you could hear "b r o w beep s 
 e r" and if you then went one step to the right with the cursor, it'd go 
 "b r o w s beep e r" and so on.
 Permanent hot spots savable on a per application basis would also be nice.
 And i totally agree with more accessibility of the ILife suite would be 
 wonderful.
 /Krister
 
 15 okt 2010 kl. 19.25 skrev Daniel Rowe:
 
> Hi all.
> 
> As you might be aware, apple are holding a "Back To The Mac" event next 
> Wednesday at 10 eastern in Cupertino, California.  There are rumours of 
> possible upgrades to the MacBook Air and also the unveiling of MAC OS X 
> 10.7.
> So, what would you like to see included in next  version of 

converting txt to rtf

[William Windels]

Hi all,

I would like one or more .txt files to .rtf files.

Normally, in textedit, I open a txt-file in it and with save as, I should see a 
option to save as rtf but I can't find it.
Does it work on another way if you start from txt and want to convert the file 
to a .rtf-file?

Do do it with more files at once, Is there a :
accessible, (free) program for the mac that can connvert txt to rtf (and 
perhaps other filetypes)?

Thanx alot for your help,
best regards,
William 

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Re: What's up with victoria voice

[erik burggraaf]

Hi,  I'm using victoria just for a change.  So far she's not doing it for me.

I've played with the pitch and I think she sounds passable at a slightly higher 
than normal pitch, But nowhere near on a par with alex or the female acapella 
voices.

She is fast though, I have my rate set to 80 and could probably go a little 
higher without to much difficulty 

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On 2010-10-16, at 12:10 PM, Colin M wrote:

> I hear a lot of talk about no decent female voice on vo!
> I've been using Victoria from since I found her!
> I know that it is personal choice but I have Alex as well giving me alerts 
> and I think Victoria matches him easily!
> So I wonder if people might be confusing Victoria with Vicky!
> Who is not as good!
> Maybe changing Victoria's pitch might help some people! :]
> All the best Colin
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Re: Apple's event next wednesday

[erik burggraaf]

Hum, maybe you should revisit NVDA.  It hardly compares to Narrator.  It's a 
fully functioning open source scriptable screen reader with full msaa support, 
braille support, sapi5 support, full web browsing capabilities, and 
compadibility with other open source software.  They've had 4 years to work on 
that thing now.  I'm not sure it's a full replacement for some one requiring 
the advanced features of jaws or window-eyes or voiceover, but most of my 
clients would be more than happy with the current state of NVDA for email, web, 
basic microsoft word, windows support and other day to day computing.

Best,

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On 2010-10-16, at 5:06 PM, Windels William wrote:

> hm, yes, good suggestion.
> An alternative screenreader should be nice but:
> It should cost money I think,
> it can't have the same features from the beginning like vo since vo is 
> already 5 years old and had already made big  improvements.
> 
> However, it should be nice to have it for situations like you describe.
> 
> I don't know also if Apple has to make it possible or perhaps some external 
> companies should understand the need of a external screenreader next to a 
> built-in screenreader.
> I fink we can say that vo has much more quality then a screenreader like nvda 
> or narrator on windows.
> 
> Op 16-okt-2010, om 01:32 heeft heather kd5cbl het volgende geschreven:
> 
>> I like vo but I was wondering if apple will allow other screenreader 
>> programs to opperate on the mac.  I was just thinking about this because, I 
>> have jaws and NVDA on my windows computer.  So when jaws is giving me grief, 
>> I can switch to NVDA which usually tells me what jaws won't or when jaws is 
>> stuck.  I like plan b if plan a does not work.  Heather 
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Telling time with Voiceover

[Westlee Smith]

Hi,
Just got my iMac!  Yay!!
Anyway, how do you get the time with VoiceOver?  Like read the clock?  I know 
there is a way, I think, I just don't know how.  Thanks!!

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Re: Telling time with Voiceover

[Eric Oyen]

well, you can use VO-MM and then arrow right until you hear the time. me , I 
use the speak time function  and have announce every 15 minutes. that works for 
me most of the time.


-Eric


On Oct 16, 2010, at 6:00 PM, Westlee Smith wrote:

> Hi,
> Just got my iMac!  Yay!!
> Anyway, how do you get the time with VoiceOver?  Like read the clock?  I know 
> there is a way, I think, I just don't know how.  Thanks!!
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Re: Telling time with Voiceover

[Carolyn Haas]

Hi Westley:
It's fairly easy to set VO to give you time and date.  You'll need to go into 
voiceover utilities with control-option-f8.  use down arrow to go down to 
commanders.  Select this with VO (control option) spacebar.  Vo-arrow right 
until you hear keyboard commander and select this with vo-spacebar. Tab to 
"enable keyboard commander and select it (vo-spacebar), Now, your choices are 
to use right or left option key as a modifier.  Select use right option key 
(vo-spacebar).  tab, and there's a little table of commands, You should hear 
the letter t, followed by "run apple scripts script for time and day". 
 now tab back to utility categories and arrow up to general.  tab to "allow 
voiceover to be controled by Apple script."  Enable this.  Now, you can exit 
Vo-utilities with command Q.
If you press right option Key, and the ltter t, Voiceover will speak the date 
and time.  There is also a default setting wherein with this arrangement, right 
option S will open Safari for you from anywhere.  
If you are new to all of this, it's not as complicated as it may seem initially.
Hope this has helped.

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> Hi,
> Just got my iMac!  Yay!!
> Anyway, how do you get the time with VoiceOver?  Like read the clock?  I know 
> there is a way, I think, I just don't know how.  Thanks!!
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Re: Apple's event next wednesday

[Donna Goodin]

I have to say that I liked Heather when I heard her on my Winmo phone, but when 
I downloaded the Asistiveware voices, her Brooklyn accent drove me absolutely 
nuts!! (No offense to anyone here).  But it was a noticeable change from what I 
had heard previously.  Maybe guys just like her b/c they want to date her. :)
Take care,
Donna
On Oct 16, 2010, at 12:10 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:

> Hi,  Alex is really new, and the other voices that come with mac are really 
> legacy.  I suspect breathing wasn't even a consideration when the older 
> voices were being developed.  I've got alex running so fast here, that I 
> never even notice him breathing.
> 
> As far as Samantha, she is just about the snottiest manliest woman I have 
> ever heard.  If she came up to me and said, "can I help you sir?", I'd be 
> tempted to punch her in the nose.  She sounds like she smokes way too much.  
> Aside from just generally not liking her attitude, I find all the nuance 
> voices a bit choppy, and I find they don't distinguish properly between b's 
> p's and V's, or d's and T's, or S's and F's.  Tom's especially bad for that.  
> I don't know how most people stand him.  Karen at least has a nice sounding 
> voice tone, and I can live with the fact that she's australian.  
> 
> The acapela voices are absolutely great.  They have amazing tone and 
> inflection, they are nearly as smooth as alex.  They just sound fantasttic.  
> It would be nice to date heather just once.  You know, I really should get 
> out more if this is how I'm thinking about my computer.
> 
> Have fun,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> User support consultant,
> One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in person,
> 1-888-255-5194
> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
> 
> On 2010-10-16, at 11:30 AM, Carolyn Haas wrote:
> 
>> Eric:
>> On the subject of  voiceover voicing, how come they only give breathing 
>> capability to Alex?  Also, I wonder why the other voices they have seem so 
>> weak by comparison?  Finally, in defense of Samaantha, I like her voice.  it 
>> seems to me to be the strongest option besides Alex; at least on the iPhone. 
>>  On the mac, if she's there under another name, she's not as strong.  As a 
>> hearing impaired person, I've found the voicing on the iPad the easiest of 
>> all of the Apple voices to understand.  But, that's just me.  
>> I'm interested in other people's thoughts on this.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Carolyn Haas
>> chaas0...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 16, 2010, at 6:33 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
>> 
>>> I'd like to see better html5 support.  It's working more or less, but it 
>>> could be better.  Improved calendar and garage band accessibility.  and a 
>>> female voice just so as I could change it up once in a while.  If they 
>>> outsource voices from nuance I'm going to scream.  There's no reason to buy 
>>> aweful when we have acapela which is far better.  If they would licence 
>>> acapela I'd be right there, but please please please save me from samantha.
>>> 
>>> Grade two braille input is a must.  I also want the magnification to go up 
>>> to 10 times without pixalating.  The magnification stuff has got to improve 
>>> to a point where it's on a par with the rest of voiceover.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Erik Burggraaf
>>> User support consultant,
>>> One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in 
>>> person,
>>> 1-888-255-5194
>>> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>>> 
>>> On 2010-10-15, at 1:43 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 I would really love to see other voices in other languages and that they 
 ditched those trinoids, good news, bad news, boing and other nonsence 
 voices that belonged in the days when they didn't really know what to do 
 with synthetic speech, because they hadn't a screen reader then. Nowadays, 
 there is Voiceover so then other voices in other languages are more 
 appropriate, especially since the screen reader itself is actually 
 localized into other languages than english.
 Other than that, i would love to see a better translation to Swedish of 
 Voiceover and the feature that the old Outspoken had, namely theability to 
 know where the cursor was, by hearing a beep when you spell a word, so 
 that if you had the word "browser" for example and you are in the middle 
 of the word, just between the "w" and "s", you could hear "b r o w beep s 
 e r" and if you then went one step to the right with the cursor, it'd go 
 "b r o w s beep e r" and so on.
 Permanent hot spots savable on a per application basis would also be nice.
 And i totally agree with more accessibility of the ILife suite would be 
 wonderful.
 /Krister
 
 15 okt 2010 kl. 19.25 skrev Daniel Rowe:
 
> Hi all.
> 
> As you might be aware, apple are holding a "Back To The Mac" event next 
> Wednesday at 10 eastern in Cupertino, California.  There are rumours of 
> possible upgrades t

Using Book Port Plus with a Mac and HCSD cards and card readers.

[Jenny Kennedy(Howard)]

Hi guys,

I am looking to buy the book port plus from APH here rather soon.  It
seems to be a very good device and I'm really looking forward to using
it.

I've a few questions about it and the Mac.  How would you put NLS DTBs
on it?  Would you just hook it up to the Mac and the Mac would just
treat it as a mass storage device as it does my thumbdrives currently?

Would I be better off getting a card reader and just accessing the
card via that?

I haven't access to a windows computer, but as far as I understand you
must have windows to regester the BPP with audible.  Does anyone do
this?  I just figured I might skip that step as I read all my audible
books via the iPhone app so this wouldn't be a "must have".

According to APH website I can use a 32GB HC card.  How much are those
and what ones are best?  How much is a card reader and what ones are
good that work with Mac.

Is there anything additional I need to know about the BPP and Mac?  Do
they play nice together or are there some tricks I need to know so I
can get thse two bits of tech working hand in hand?

Thanks much for any help smile

Jenny

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Re: Apple's event next wednesday

[Mary Otten]

If apple were to license voices other than those they've created and put them 
on the Mac, I'd rather see them license Loquendo or A capella voices. Since the 
A capella once already work, its a paid add on that offers English voices as 
well as a bunch of foreign languages, if Apple wanted to add something, I'd 
like to see them go there and never mind Samantha. they have to pay for Nuance 
voices, so might as well pay for something that is worth the money.

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Re: Using Book Port Plus with a Mac and HCSD cards and card readers.

[David McLean]

I can't speak to the Bookport specifically since I don't own one but I'd say 
it's easier to copy the files to the sd card in either your Mac's card reader 
or an external one connected via usb port.  Any sdhc card reader should work.  
You can buy one of them for less than $10 usually.
Audible files do work on the Mac but you need to register using Itunes.  If 
that doesn't bother you then no problem
As for the sdhc card a 32 gig one should work well with any card reader 
connected to the Mac so buy whichever card is recommended for the Bookport.
Not sure of the prices of the cards these days but I think it's under $100 now. 
 I paid about $140 but that was about three years ago then they first came out.
Think that covers it.
On Oct 16, 2010, at 9:59 PM, Jenny Kennedy(Howard) wrote:

> Hi guys,
> 
> I am looking to buy the book port plus from APH here rather soon.  It
> seems to be a very good device and I'm really looking forward to using
> it.
> 
> I've a few questions about it and the Mac.  How would you put NLS DTBs
> on it?  Would you just hook it up to the Mac and the Mac would just
> treat it as a mass storage device as it does my thumbdrives currently?
> 
> Would I be better off getting a card reader and just accessing the
> card via that?
> 
> I haven't access to a windows computer, but as far as I understand you
> must have windows to regester the BPP with audible.  Does anyone do
> this?  I just figured I might skip that step as I read all my audible
> books via the iPhone app so this wouldn't be a "must have".
> 
> According to APH website I can use a 32GB HC card.  How much are those
> and what ones are best?  How much is a card reader and what ones are
> good that work with Mac.
> 
> Is there anything additional I need to know about the BPP and Mac?  Do
> they play nice together or are there some tricks I need to know so I
> can get thse two bits of tech working hand in hand?
> 
> Thanks much for any help smile
> 
> Jenny
> 
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