Hello everyone. I want IWork to be accessible. While working with an Apple advisor I expressed some frustration about how to get feedback to the IWork team. In each application there's a feedback option on the application's menu. For example, I type vo+M to get to the menu and arrow right once to get to the Pages menu. I arrow down to the feedback option and press enter. The adviser told me that If I submit feedback this way it is routed to an engineer on the pages team. I assume it works the same for the other IWork applications and other apple products as well.
-----Original Message----- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Windels William Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 4:47 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple's event next wednesday Hello all, I agree that tables isn't handled very well in pages. Also numbers, is accessible but it's missing some navigation-features for everyone like you have in ms excel. Kenotes isn't very accessible at this moment... Safari is very bad at this moment : braille in formfields, voiceover is crashing when you want to give feedback on itunes :( and... busy busy busy. There are also other sites that voiceover can't access because it's restarting constantly. Also, when you have parts of text in tables, you cant jump to this parts with (shift)vo+command+n like you can do on webpages. So, it's my experience that you need to explore the table cel by cel and this can be very frustrated. I agree also that it would be nice if you can make different configs for different programs but I don't think they will do that. There should be more config-options for the braille-display: specify the representations of different controls in the os like links, checkboxes, comboboxes, radio buttons... Also, the information on the brailledisplay should be independent of the speech. It's not always interesting e.g. to have tooltips on the brailledisplay and the brailledisplay should not show dots 7 and 8 below a text because it's in the voiceover-cursor. As I understand well, everything on a brailledisplay is in the vo-cursor. If so, it doesn't make any sence to underline. On windows, the dots 7 and 8 are also used to show e.g. italic, bold, underline in programs but here, this isn't possible. I agree that it's not the main task of Apple to make tird party applications accessible but, it would be nice if they should make a user-friendly environment to adjust the representation of voiceover in programs that aren't accessible out of the box. e.g , firefox is a very good browser but, the developers aren't willing to make it accessible with voiceover. So, we have only 1 fully supported webbrowser and, is something works bad with that browser, like no, we have no alternative. The developers of opera will help but , I think it goes slow. It's normal that programs have bugs, for shore in the beginning but, they should make a kind of interface so that we can make a complete and efficient bugreport of something in voiceover. And ..., they have implemented a drag and drop function with the keyboard in 10.6 but, it seems not to work at all. I mean, it's not doing the same for us as for sighted users. About other voices in osx: it would be nice to have the same voices pre-installed like in ios4 but, it's not a priority for me. I can't understand the way Apple is taking care about their software: Since itunes version 10, workflows aren't working anymore. We have waited several weeks for itunes 10.0.1 and the workflow problems aren't still fixed. At the moment. No, it's fixed for me with the howto's on the internet but the debug-jobs are something for Apple, not for the customers. That's my opinion. And also in this case: this problem belong to everyone , not only vo-users. So, this is the most important of my frustrations :) best regards, William Windels Op 15-okt-2010, om 22:53 heeft Justin Ekis het volgende geschreven: > I have three enhancements that I'd like to see in voiceover with the release of 10.7. I don't expect VO to be covered in that much detail during this particular event, we'll probably read about the VO changes on the web site as the release gets closer. > > I'd like to see them make it possible to access the status menu icons of other applications. Dropbox is one example of an application that puts an icon in this menu that can't be accessed with voiceover. We can only access the default icons like the clock, battery status, etc. > > Also, I haven't yet seen a way to navigate tables within word documents or pdf files. If I understand things correctly, wasn't it very difficult to read tables in web pages until the release of 10.6? Maybe this can be done for other documents as well. > > Finally, I'd really like to see the possibility of setting different preferences for each application. For example, I might want a different level of verbosity in a particular application. > > On Oct 15, 2010, at 10:43 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > Hi, > I would really love to see other voices in other languages and that they ditched those trinoids, good news, bad news, boing and other nonsence voices that belonged in the days when they didn't really know what to do with synthetic speech, because they hadn't a screen reader then. Nowadays, there is Voiceover so then other voices in other languages are more appropriate, especially since the screen reader itself is actually localized into other languages than english. > Other than that, i would love to see a better translation to Swedish of Voiceover and the feature that the old Outspoken had, namely theability to know where the cursor was, by hearing a beep when you spell a word, so that if you had the word "browser" for example and you are in the middle of the word, just between the "w" and "s", you could hear "b r o w beep s e r" and if you then went one step to the right with the cursor, it'd go "b r o w s beep e r" and so on. > Permanent hot spots savable on a per application basis would also be nice. > And i totally agree with more accessibility of the ILife suite would be wonderful. > /Krister > > 15 okt 2010 kl. 19.25 skrev Daniel Rowe: > >> Hi all. >> >> As you might be aware, apple are holding a "Back To The Mac" event next Wednesday at 10 eastern in Cupertino, California. There are rumours of possible upgrades to the MacBook Air and also the unveiling of MAC OS X 10.7. >> So, what would you like to see included in next version of the OS, either generally or VoiceOver specific? >> >> Personally, I'd like to see a female voice that is as good as Alex, and to have voices in other languages even if it meant licensing them from nuance as they have done in iOS. >> Accessibility improvements to garage band would be welcome, as well as making iWeb accessible. >> The last major thing I can think of is to finally fix the issue of VO randomly resetting itself. >> >> I'm sure they'll come up with a load of things I haven't even thought of. 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