Applescript for automatically dragging a loop to the timeline

[Yuma Antoine Decaux]

Hi listers,

I went rapidly through the motion needed for dragging a highlighted loop into 
the timeline.

Here is the script snippet:

ttell application "Extra Suites"
ES mouse down
ES move mouse to scroll area 2 of window 1 of application "Garage Band"
Es mouse up
end tell


I used the Extra suites OSAX extension and found the object and element 
hierarchy through GUI scripting app UI browser.

Now i am not sure about the syntax standards as there are parenthesys in the UI 
browser and they might have to be included within the Applescript.

If i get this to work, we can basically save 5 steps in one.


If anyone wants to test this out with me, you're welcome to contact me off list

Cheers

Yuma DX®


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Re: Fusion volume problem

[Scott Howell]

The solution for now is to roll back to 3.0. Just copy your 3.0 over the 3.10 
app. Of course let VMWare know about the issue and I am sure they will address 
it in the next version.

On Jun 4, 2010, at 9:37 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

> Yeah I've found this also. It's a pain in the rare end.
> 
> Any ideas on how to fix this would be appreciated.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Orin
> Sent: Saturday, 5 June 2010 6:58 a.m.
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Fusion volume problem
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> Just upgraded to I think it was 3.1 las tnight, and my volume is quite low.
> Anyone know if there's a way to fix this? Everything windows volume wise is
> at 100 percent.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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garage band question

[chad baker]

Hi i'm trying to add loops i purchased into garage band they zero-g pro pack.
It says in the documentation to drag and drop the contents is there a easier 
way.
It says to put in /library/applicationsupport/garageband/appleloops but i don't 
see it.
thanks

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Re: Can you set the VO keys to the caps lock like in jaws?

[Kaare Dehard]

I'm sure we've all felt that way about a pet feature, I can't remember what 
mine was, but I did have one:).

Now adays I sometimes find myself at work trying to use two modifiers on jaws 
just because I rarely think about it at all anymore.
On 2010-06-04, at 5:23 PM, Alfredo wrote:

> I was afradi i was going to get this answer.  I love my caplocks key,
> and just thinking of having ot press 2 modifier kieys in conjunction
> with other keys makes me feel lazy.  But hey if I have to, just to
> have access to a computer from the get go, and be able to save a
> backup of the computer in case it fails ona  separate drive, and do it
> all on my own, then I will.  If anyone has been able to write a
> script, maybe in conjunction with the sharp application, to make the
> caplocks the modifier key, please let me know.
> 
> alfredo
> 
> thanks for the response
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My Apple family is growing

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi folks,
As of yesterday i've now got a shiny 13 inch 2.4 Gigahertz Macbook pro. It's a 
cool little machine really and i'm currently learning how to navigate in Vo 
with the track pad as oposed to using the keyboard. It's cool but somewhat of a 
learning curve in the beginning, but correct me if i'm wrong here, but don't 
you get a tad faster in navigation useng the trackpad than using the keys or am 
i wrong?
What would be cool would be if one in some way could drag & drop using the 
track pad, but it may not be possible.
Well, i just wanted y'all to know.
/Krister

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7128 Games not supporting Mac ?

[Claire]

Hi,
I went on the 7-128 games website and there is no mention of the Mac
that was supported before (they offered a Windows and a Mac version of
each of their games to demo or buy).
I tried sending them an email but the submit button link didn't seem
to work.
Anybody else looked into this ?
Claire

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Voiceover and Alva Satelite 544

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
I'm trying to connect my Macbook to an Alva Satelite 544 braille display, but 
it can't be detected. I'm wondering if mine is so old that it's not supported 
despite the fact the voiceover help says that the Alva Satelite 544 is 
supported. What else can be wrong? I've set the display to Usb, i've turned off 
and then restarted the braille display to no avail. Does it matter what usb 
port on the display i use, there are 3 of them, one with a different plug than 
the standard flattish one, that's the port i use.
What other obvious things have i been missing?
/Krister, confused

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FiRe -- Field Recorder app on sale for $5.99 through June 10, 2010 [was Re: recording app for my iphone]

[Esther]

Hi Krister, Damon, and Others,


Gary wrote:
there is a free app that Blue microphone makess for the Mikey. it  
is BlueFiRe. Pro field recorder is makde by the same company, but  
costs $9.00 US. you can search for it in the Itunes store. it is  
mostly accessible.


and Krister asked:


Is the professional recorder accessible? What does and doesn't work?
/Krister



The pro version of the free Blue FiRe app has just gone on sale ($5.99  
down from $9.99) through to June 10 in celebration of SoundCloud's  
millionth user and FiRe's anniversary as the first app to integrate  
professional recording with uploading to SoundCloud.  (Having this  
sale during the week of the Worldwide Developers Conference probably  
also doesn't hurt.) These apps are available internationally from the  
iTunes App Store.


• Blue FiRe (free) by Blue Microphones:
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/blue-fire/id336713577?mt=8
• FiRe -- Field Recorder ($5.99 now through June 10, 2010; normally  
$9.99) by Audiofile Engineering:

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fire-field-recorder/id309378684?mt=8

I wrote a bit about the Blue FiRe and FiRe apps in this post that was  
archived to macvisionaries vimacaudio lists:


(iPhone Recording Apps for Voice and Music [was Re: Voice Memos App])

That is a long post, and the first half covers Voice memos and Voxie  
Pro Recorder, while the second half mentions Blue FiRe and the Amazing  
Slow Downer, and gives (at the end) links to the apps, reviews of  
FiRe, and where to order the Blue Mikey 2.


The quick answer to Krister's question about what works is that you  
should try the free Blue FiRe app yourself and try placing and working  
with markers, because that's where a lot of the capabilities and also  
potential accessibility issues arise. The free app comes with a  
QuickStart recording that explains the layout of the main screen and  
how to use the app.  (There's no QuickStart explanation with the pro  
version, so you should really get the free version first.) For a long  
answer to what's changed, and some of the features of the pro version  
of the app, read below. For those who want to skip directly to online  
information sources, check out Audiofile Engineering's support web  
pages and forum, including the detailed FiRe Knowlege Book at:



The Pro version, FiRe, made a few simple changes and additions that  
made placing and working with markers easier: instead of having to tap  
on a "handle" at the base of the playhead to set markers you can now  
tap anywhere around the center of the transport, above the point  
midway between the record and stop buttons, to have your marker  
register.  (It was possible to do before by aiming just between and  
slightly above the two buttons, but now it's much easier to do with  
VoiceOver toggled off, since aiming anywhere in a strip along the  
central vertical axis works to place markers.)  There's a waveform  
range finder strip that runs just below the waveform and above the  
record and stop buttons that can be used for fast navigation within  
the recording if you swipe horizontally left or right (with VoiceOver  
off).  This is basically the region of the "handle" that you had to  
aim for to tap your markers in the free, Blue FiRe version of the app,  
but extended into a horizontal strip.  You can easily get control of  
the position marker for the waveform range finder by stopping your  
recording at the end, and then double tapping the at the right side of  
center (which will mean that you're tapping at the right edge of the  
central waveform strip).  That moves the position marker to the right  
edge of the waveform range strip, and if you move your finger down to  
the waveform range strip after doing your double tap to the right of  
center, you can slide from the right edge of the strip to quickly  
change the current playback position anywhere from the start (left  
edge) to the end (right edge) of the recording.  If you want to check  
the exact time you've moved to, toggle VoiceOver back on and read the  
time at the top of the screen.  Since you can also navigate through to  
the next or previous marker near the current playhead time by double  
tapping to the right or left of the central transport (and since you  
can also set your recording to insert markers at fixed intervals if  
you listened to the directions in the QuickStart for the free app),  
you get a fair amount of precision.  It's also possible to double tap  
the left edge of the screen and then pick up the position marker for  
the waveform range strip at the left edge of the strip and position  
yourself by sliding to the right.


There are a few changes to the simple recording interface in the pro  
version, FiRe: two of the five buttons at the bottom of the screen  
have been renamed.  They a

Constant VoiceOver in use/Busy message

[Daniel K. Gartmann]

Hi,

I am getting this message very often lately. This happens both in 
ITunes, in Mail and in other programs. it is, obviously, a huge waste of 
time to sit and wait until the message "VoiceOver Busy" stops.


Does anybody have ideas for solving this issue? I already did a repair 
of the disk permissions in Disk Utilities.


Thanks in advance.

Daniel

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Re: Voiceover and Alva Satelite 544

[Kaare Dehard]

hi there, is it on the list of supported ones, or is it supported by a 
suplimentary driver available at apple. I remember reading at one point a while 
back, that some displays were supported, however you needed to download a 
driver from apple to get them moving..
On 2010-06-05, at 10:58 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

> Hi,
> I'm trying to connect my Macbook to an Alva Satelite 544 braille display, but 
> it can't be detected. I'm wondering if mine is so old that it's not supported 
> despite the fact the voiceover help says that the Alva Satelite 544 is 
> supported. What else can be wrong? I've set the display to Usb, i've turned 
> off and then restarted the braille display to no avail. Does it matter what 
> usb port on the display i use, there are 3 of them, one with a different plug 
> than the standard flattish one, that's the port i use.
> What other obvious things have i been missing?
> /Krister, confused
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Tech Doctor Podcast 4 available

[Robert Carter]

Hi All,

In podcast 4, the Tech Doctors continue their series where they are comparing 
Windows 7 and Mac OS X.

The podcast is available at
http://www.dr-carter.com

Thanks,

Robert Carter

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Re: Tech Doctor Podcast 4 available

[Alfredo]

I just wanted to affirm what others might have already said, this is a
very nice podcast.  Looking forward to Windows versus Mac, numero
2.
Keep up the good work.
Alfredo

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Re: Voiceover and Alva Satelite 544

[Tony Bernedal]

Hi.
I use alva 544 on my mac and it works perfect. only plug it in. My version is 
the traveler so it doesn't have the two other usb ports, wich is a usb 1 hub. 
Sometimes the mac lose connection with the display but if I switch it off and 
on again it works.
Regards Tony

5 jun 2010 kl. 17.56 skrev Kaare Dehard:

> hi there, is it on the list of supported ones, or is it supported by a 
> suplimentary driver available at apple. I remember reading at one point a 
> while back, that some displays were supported, however you needed to download 
> a driver from apple to get them moving..
> On 2010-06-05, at 10:58 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I'm trying to connect my Macbook to an Alva Satelite 544 braille display, 
>> but it can't be detected. I'm wondering if mine is so old that it's not 
>> supported despite the fact the voiceover help says that the Alva Satelite 
>> 544 is supported. What else can be wrong? I've set the display to Usb, i've 
>> turned off and then restarted the braille display to no avail. Does it 
>> matter what usb port on the display i use, there are 3 of them, one with a 
>> different plug than the standard flattish one, that's the port i use.
>> What other obvious things have i been missing?
>> /Krister, confused
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Fwd: [bcab] End of Freedom?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Off topic, but I feel everyone will be interested especially those people who 
run Fusion on their Macs.

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" 
> Date: June 5, 2010 9:36:33 AM GMT+01:00
> To: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
> Subject: Fw: [bcab] End of Freedom?
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Colin r. Howard" 
> To: ; ; 
> ; ; 
> 
> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:30 AM
> Subject: [bcab] End of Freedom?
> 
> 
>> Greetings,
>> 
>> I am posting the main text from a thread just seen on the Blind Audio List
>> which I am surprised not to have seen on the BCAB or AccessUK groups.
>> 
>> Ought we to give much credence to this?
>> 
>> I, for one, would welcome any comments from Sight and Sound.
>> 
>> From: "Otto Zamora" 
>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 05:44:14 -0400
>> 
>> Morning,
>> 
>> In an advocate meeting yesterday, the subject came up reference Freedom
>> Scientific, the company that among other things sports JFw.
>> Because the company is in the state of Florida, it came up on  a flag by an
>> analyst.
>> Seems this company is having bad money troubles, not surprising given the
>> economy, but talk is that they are now looking to sell off some of their
>> division, mainly their JFW area.
>> I am not sure who if anyone will buy this division, considering that there
>> is an entity now selling a fully integrated package for only $700.
>> Besides a comprehensive screen reader, if the user chooses to get the
>> package, there is a browser, along with a customed and fully accessible web
>> sites, word processing, and E mail.
>> all of this can apparently be accessed either on line, or as individual
>> program.
>> ad to that, the entertainment mogill, and you have a powerful tool indeed
>> for the kind of money they are asking for.
>> Another side of the equation is the apple company, now selling computers
>> already with speech on board right out of the box and off the shelf.
>> Put these two aspects together, and you have a deadly combo that might very
>> well result in a abrupt end to the JFW program.
>> Considering the way that technology is growing, older versions of JFW, will
>> only work for a short while until the programs controlling the OS, begins to
>> outgrow the application.
>> In seeing this package, one of the things which was pointed out to me, was
>> the learning curve, which for the new package being sold by Mr.. Mike Calvo,
>> is very short.
>> The user has the option to learn as little or as much as they want without
>> real loss. From: "Alison Trelfa" 
>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:36:47 +0100
>> 
>> Hello, Otto,
>> 
>> I wonder whether many jaws users would move to another speech program as yet
>> as many of the packages that are not standard probably wouldn't be supported
>> by the out of the box speech. I run Sonar and Sibelius 5.25, both of which
>> are using scripts that have been written by folk who specialise not only in
>> Jaws, but only in the two programs. I suppose those people who only need
>> computers for basic commands may well get away with speech such as you
>> describe, but I don't think that Jaws would just be dismissed out of hand
>> because Freedom is going. I think Jaws has changed hands once before if I'm
>> not mistaken? Correct me if I'm wrong there.
>> 
>> I would be very sorry to see Jaws go under, but I'm not worried yet. There
>> is a huge following for Jaws and I believe that someone would take it over.
>> 
>> From: "Otto Zamora" 
>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 10:49:36 -0400
>> 
>> hi,
>> 
>> You are correct, I am just stating that from what we were told, they are
>> having a hard time finding someone who will take on the project,especially
>> since as you point out, most people are  not using anything that is high
>> end, and from what we also have heard, people are tired of having to pay
>> $1500 and change, when there now is a program which will do speech and more
>> for only $700.
>> Given the economy, for many people, the sedition may be financial.
>> 
>> 
>> From: Geoff Long 
>> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 16:20:04 +0100
>> 
>> Hi Alison, I wonder how many JAWS users have to
>> pay for their own equipment.  I use window-eyes,
>> which is considerably less expensive, and as I
>> had to pay for my training and kit from my own
>> pocket, it makes a big difference.
>> 
>> From: "Dr Norman Waddington" 
>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 16:36:22 +0100
>> 
>> Hi Geoff,
>> 
>> I need no introduction to you on this list.
>> 
>> I am a Jaws user and have paid all the way through out of my own pocket from
>> version 3.5 methinks if I remember correctly.
>> 
>> 
>> From: Anders Holmberg 
>> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 17:37:37 +0200
>> 
>> Hello!
>> Also we have nvda as a very good and free alternative.
>> And Hal or supernova which costs less money than jaws.
>> From: "Mike Stewart" 
>> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 10:58:45 -0600
>> 
>> The entry price is steep, but upgrades only run about $100-$140 or so...
>> 
>> From: "Alison Trelfa" 
>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 21:31:33 +0100
>> 
>> Hi

Re: purchasing from itunes from the uk?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

How to accept the new terms as there was no check box please Will?
On Jun 5, 2010, at 7:13 AM, william lomas wrote:

> no smile 
> you have to accept the new terms first, then repurchase
> it hasn't purchased it 
> 
> On Jun 5, 2010, at 12:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> OK.
>> 
>> I'm calling all UK users to respond if they have had this problem.
>> 
>> I wanted to purchase this album link pasted in case any of you are serious 
>> classical musicians like me.
>> 
>> http://itunes.apple.com/gb/album/haydn-hummel-trumpet-concertos/id291408126
>> 
>> I got far as listening to all the tracks, decided I wanted this album.  
>> Signed into my account, then I was asked twice if I wanted to buy the album. 
>>  (My card details) are automatically stored as I've bought from Itunes 
>> before, the last time when I was on holiday in USA.  So when I was asked for 
>> the second time if I wanted the album, suddenly I was told that the terms 
>> and conditions had changed without so much as by your leave, the stupid 
>> thing closed.  Not fair!  I did this five times, each time checking my 
>> purchase library, only the one thing I bought last time was there.  Not fair!
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> 
>> Kawal Gucukoglu
>> 
>> (E-mail/MSN):
>> 
>> kawal_gucuko...@sent.com
>> 
>> (Skype ID):
>> 
>> kawalgucukoglu
>> 
>> (Mobile/Text):
>> 
>> +447905618396
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Re: [bcab] End of Freedom?

[Donna Goodin]

Just to add to this,  this week I inherited a PC that my husband isn't using.  
It's a fairly new computer running Windows 7, and I've been trying to install 
JAWS on it since Wednesday, with absolutely no luck at all, and this has 
included a one hour call to FS tech support.  In the interim, I've been running 
System Access over the internet, just to have some speech on the machine.  
Having had this experience, I would be hard-pressed ever to recommend JAWS over 
simply getting a Mac again.  I hope Apple does give FS a run for their money.  
If this is the best FS can do, they deserve to lose out, whether to Apple, or 
to a group like Serotek.
Cheers,
Donna
On Jun 5, 2010, at 12:42 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> Off topic, but I feel everyone will be interested especially those people who 
> run Fusion on their Macs.
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" 
>> Date: June 5, 2010 9:36:33 AM GMT+01:00
>> To: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
>> Subject: Fw: [bcab] End of Freedom?
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Colin r. Howard" 
>> To: ; ; 
>> ; ; 
>> 
>> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:30 AM
>> Subject: [bcab] End of Freedom?
>> 
>> 
>>> Greetings,
>>> 
>>> I am posting the main text from a thread just seen on the Blind Audio List
>>> which I am surprised not to have seen on the BCAB or AccessUK groups.
>>> 
>>> Ought we to give much credence to this?
>>> 
>>> I, for one, would welcome any comments from Sight and Sound.
>>> 
>>> From: "Otto Zamora" 
>>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 05:44:14 -0400
>>> 
>>> Morning,
>>> 
>>> In an advocate meeting yesterday, the subject came up reference Freedom
>>> Scientific, the company that among other things sports JFw.
>>> Because the company is in the state of Florida, it came up on  a flag by an
>>> analyst.
>>> Seems this company is having bad money troubles, not surprising given the
>>> economy, but talk is that they are now looking to sell off some of their
>>> division, mainly their JFW area.
>>> I am not sure who if anyone will buy this division, considering that there
>>> is an entity now selling a fully integrated package for only $700.
>>> Besides a comprehensive screen reader, if the user chooses to get the
>>> package, there is a browser, along with a customed and fully accessible web
>>> sites, word processing, and E mail.
>>> all of this can apparently be accessed either on line, or as individual
>>> program.
>>> ad to that, the entertainment mogill, and you have a powerful tool indeed
>>> for the kind of money they are asking for.
>>> Another side of the equation is the apple company, now selling computers
>>> already with speech on board right out of the box and off the shelf.
>>> Put these two aspects together, and you have a deadly combo that might very
>>> well result in a abrupt end to the JFW program.
>>> Considering the way that technology is growing, older versions of JFW, will
>>> only work for a short while until the programs controlling the OS, begins to
>>> outgrow the application.
>>> In seeing this package, one of the things which was pointed out to me, was
>>> the learning curve, which for the new package being sold by Mr.. Mike Calvo,
>>> is very short.
>>> The user has the option to learn as little or as much as they want without
>>> real loss. From: "Alison Trelfa" 
>>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:36:47 +0100
>>> 
>>> Hello, Otto,
>>> 
>>> I wonder whether many jaws users would move to another speech program as yet
>>> as many of the packages that are not standard probably wouldn't be supported
>>> by the out of the box speech. I run Sonar and Sibelius 5.25, both of which
>>> are using scripts that have been written by folk who specialise not only in
>>> Jaws, but only in the two programs. I suppose those people who only need
>>> computers for basic commands may well get away with speech such as you
>>> describe, but I don't think that Jaws would just be dismissed out of hand
>>> because Freedom is going. I think Jaws has changed hands once before if I'm
>>> not mistaken? Correct me if I'm wrong there.
>>> 
>>> I would be very sorry to see Jaws go under, but I'm not worried yet. There
>>> is a huge following for Jaws and I believe that someone would take it over.
>>> 
>>> From: "Otto Zamora" 
>>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 10:49:36 -0400
>>> 
>>> hi,
>>> 
>>> You are correct, I am just stating that from what we were told, they are
>>> having a hard time finding someone who will take on the project,especially
>>> since as you point out, most people are  not using anything that is high
>>> end, and from what we also have heard, people are tired of having to pay
>>> $1500 and change, when there now is a program which will do speech and more
>>> for only $700.
>>> Given the economy, for many people, the sedition may be financial.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Geoff Long 
>>> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 16:20:04 +0100
>>> 
>>> Hi Alison, I wonder how many JAWS users have to
>>> pay for their own equipment.  I use window-eyes,
>>> which is considera

solona

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

All:
Is anyone using Solona on the mac? I looked at the Mac app for Solona, and it 
looks a bit complicated, especially for having to run command lines.

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Re: Voiceover and Alva Satelite 544

[Krister Ekstrom]

There's nothing mentioned about a driver, however it's possible that one must 
have one. Hmmm, now to search for drivers.
/Krister


5 jun 2010 kl. 17.56 skrev Kaare Dehard:

> hi there, is it on the list of supported ones, or is it supported by a 
> suplimentary driver available at apple. I remember reading at one point a 
> while back, that some displays were supported, however you needed to download 
> a driver from apple to get them moving..
> On 2010-06-05, at 10:58 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I'm trying to connect my Macbook to an Alva Satelite 544 braille display, 
>> but it can't be detected. I'm wondering if mine is so old that it's not 
>> supported despite the fact the voiceover help says that the Alva Satelite 
>> 544 is supported. What else can be wrong? I've set the display to Usb, i've 
>> turned off and then restarted the braille display to no avail. Does it 
>> matter what usb port on the display i use, there are 3 of them, one with a 
>> different plug than the standard flattish one, that's the port i use.
>> What other obvious things have i been missing?
>> /Krister, confused
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Re: Voiceover and Alva Satelite 544

[Krister Ekstrom]

Ok, the traveler works, but the older one doesn't apparently, unless you can 
get a driver.
/Krister


5 jun 2010 kl. 18.35 skrev Tony Bernedal:

> Hi.
> I use alva 544 on my mac and it works perfect. only plug it in. My version is 
> the traveler so it doesn't have the two other usb ports, wich is a usb 1 hub. 
> Sometimes the mac lose connection with the display but if I switch it off and 
> on again it works.
> Regards Tony
> 
> 5 jun 2010 kl. 17.56 skrev Kaare Dehard:
> 
>> hi there, is it on the list of supported ones, or is it supported by a 
>> suplimentary driver available at apple. I remember reading at one point a 
>> while back, that some displays were supported, however you needed to 
>> download a driver from apple to get them moving..
>> On 2010-06-05, at 10:58 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I'm trying to connect my Macbook to an Alva Satelite 544 braille display, 
>>> but it can't be detected. I'm wondering if mine is so old that it's not 
>>> supported despite the fact the voiceover help says that the Alva Satelite 
>>> 544 is supported. What else can be wrong? I've set the display to Usb, i've 
>>> turned off and then restarted the braille display to no avail. Does it 
>>> matter what usb port on the display i use, there are 3 of them, one with a 
>>> different plug than the standard flattish one, that's the port i use.
>>> What other obvious things have i been missing?
>>> /Krister, confused
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Re: Constant VoiceOver in use/Busy message

[Doug Lawlor]

I get this message a lot when working with web pages in Safari. I would like to 
know how I can stop or at least minimize this message as well. It makes VO 
totally unusable in the program you are using. 

Thanks, 
Doug

On 2010-06-05, at 1:15 PM, Daniel K. Gartmann wrote:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am getting this message very often lately. This happens both in ITunes, in 
> Mail and in other programs. it is, obviously, a huge waste of time to sit and 
> wait until the message "VoiceOver Busy" stops.
> 
> Does anybody have ideas for solving this issue? I already did a repair of the 
> disk permissions in Disk Utilities.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Daniel
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Re: [bcab] End of Freedom?

[Olivia Norman]

YAY! YAY! YAY! Goodbye Jaws! :) :) :) :)
"Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs

On Jun 5, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> Off topic, but I feel everyone will be interested especially those people who 
> run Fusion on their Macs.
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" 
>> Date: June 5, 2010 9:36:33 AM GMT+01:00
>> To: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
>> Subject: Fw: [bcab] End of Freedom?
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Colin r. Howard" 
>> To: ; ; 
>> ; ; 
>> 
>> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:30 AM
>> Subject: [bcab] End of Freedom?
>> 
>> 
>>> Greetings,
>>> 
>>> I am posting the main text from a thread just seen on the Blind Audio List
>>> which I am surprised not to have seen on the BCAB or AccessUK groups.
>>> 
>>> Ought we to give much credence to this?
>>> 
>>> I, for one, would welcome any comments from Sight and Sound.
>>> 
>>> From: "Otto Zamora" 
>>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 05:44:14 -0400
>>> 
>>> Morning,
>>> 
>>> In an advocate meeting yesterday, the subject came up reference Freedom
>>> Scientific, the company that among other things sports JFw.
>>> Because the company is in the state of Florida, it came up on  a flag by an
>>> analyst.
>>> Seems this company is having bad money troubles, not surprising given the
>>> economy, but talk is that they are now looking to sell off some of their
>>> division, mainly their JFW area.
>>> I am not sure who if anyone will buy this division, considering that there
>>> is an entity now selling a fully integrated package for only $700.
>>> Besides a comprehensive screen reader, if the user chooses to get the
>>> package, there is a browser, along with a customed and fully accessible web
>>> sites, word processing, and E mail.
>>> all of this can apparently be accessed either on line, or as individual
>>> program.
>>> ad to that, the entertainment mogill, and you have a powerful tool indeed
>>> for the kind of money they are asking for.
>>> Another side of the equation is the apple company, now selling computers
>>> already with speech on board right out of the box and off the shelf.
>>> Put these two aspects together, and you have a deadly combo that might very
>>> well result in a abrupt end to the JFW program.
>>> Considering the way that technology is growing, older versions of JFW, will
>>> only work for a short while until the programs controlling the OS, begins to
>>> outgrow the application.
>>> In seeing this package, one of the things which was pointed out to me, was
>>> the learning curve, which for the new package being sold by Mr.. Mike Calvo,
>>> is very short.
>>> The user has the option to learn as little or as much as they want without
>>> real loss. From: "Alison Trelfa" 
>>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:36:47 +0100
>>> 
>>> Hello, Otto,
>>> 
>>> I wonder whether many jaws users would move to another speech program as yet
>>> as many of the packages that are not standard probably wouldn't be supported
>>> by the out of the box speech. I run Sonar and Sibelius 5.25, both of which
>>> are using scripts that have been written by folk who specialise not only in
>>> Jaws, but only in the two programs. I suppose those people who only need
>>> computers for basic commands may well get away with speech such as you
>>> describe, but I don't think that Jaws would just be dismissed out of hand
>>> because Freedom is going. I think Jaws has changed hands once before if I'm
>>> not mistaken? Correct me if I'm wrong there.
>>> 
>>> I would be very sorry to see Jaws go under, but I'm not worried yet. There
>>> is a huge following for Jaws and I believe that someone would take it over.
>>> 
>>> From: "Otto Zamora" 
>>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 10:49:36 -0400
>>> 
>>> hi,
>>> 
>>> You are correct, I am just stating that from what we were told, they are
>>> having a hard time finding someone who will take on the project,especially
>>> since as you point out, most people are  not using anything that is high
>>> end, and from what we also have heard, people are tired of having to pay
>>> $1500 and change, when there now is a program which will do speech and more
>>> for only $700.
>>> Given the economy, for many people, the sedition may be financial.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Geoff Long 
>>> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 16:20:04 +0100
>>> 
>>> Hi Alison, I wonder how many JAWS users have to
>>> pay for their own equipment.  I use window-eyes,
>>> which is considerably less expensive, and as I
>>> had to pay for my training and kit from my own
>>> pocket, it makes a big difference.
>>> 
>>> From: "Dr Norman Waddington" 
>>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 16:36:22 +0100
>>> 
>>> Hi Geoff,
>>> 
>>> I need no introduction to you on this list.
>>> 
>>> I am a Jaws user and have paid all the way through out of my own pocket from
>>> version 3.5 methinks if I remember correctly.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Anders Holmberg 
>>> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 17:37:37 +0200
>>> 
>>> Hello!
>>> Also we have nvda as a very good and free alternativ

Re: purchasing from itunes from the uk?

[william lomas]

think there is a continue button not sure

On Jun 5, 2010, at 5:44 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> How to accept the new terms as there was no check box please Will?
> On Jun 5, 2010, at 7:13 AM, william lomas wrote:
> 
>> no smile 
>> you have to accept the new terms first, then repurchase
>> it hasn't purchased it 
>> 
>> On Jun 5, 2010, at 12:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>>> OK.
>>> 
>>> I'm calling all UK users to respond if they have had this problem.
>>> 
>>> I wanted to purchase this album link pasted in case any of you are serious 
>>> classical musicians like me.
>>> 
>>> http://itunes.apple.com/gb/album/haydn-hummel-trumpet-concertos/id291408126
>>> 
>>> I got far as listening to all the tracks, decided I wanted this album.  
>>> Signed into my account, then I was asked twice if I wanted to buy the 
>>> album.  (My card details) are automatically stored as I've bought from 
>>> Itunes before, the last time when I was on holiday in USA.  So when I was 
>>> asked for the second time if I wanted the album, suddenly I was told that 
>>> the terms and conditions had changed without so much as by your leave, the 
>>> stupid thing closed.  Not fair!  I did this five times, each time checking 
>>> my purchase library, only the one thing I bought last time was there.  Not 
>>> fair!
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Kawal Gucukoglu
>>> 
>>> (E-mail/MSN):
>>> 
>>> kawal_gucuko...@sent.com
>>> 
>>> (Skype ID):
>>> 
>>> kawalgucukoglu
>>> 
>>> (Mobile/Text):
>>> 
>>> +447905618396
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Re: [bcab] End of Freedom?

[Courtney Curran]

I certainly agree. Yay, yay, no more overpriced, unfair JAWS.
Courtney

On 05/06/2010, at 1:19 in the Afternoon, Olivia Norman wrote:

> YAY! YAY! YAY! Goodbye Jaws! :) :) :) :)
> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs
> 
> On Jun 5, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> Off topic, but I feel everyone will be interested especially those people 
>> who run Fusion on their Macs.
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" 
>>> Date: June 5, 2010 9:36:33 AM GMT+01:00
>>> To: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
>>> Subject: Fw: [bcab] End of Freedom?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Colin r. Howard" 
>>> To: ; ; 
>>> ; ; 
>>> 
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:30 AM
>>> Subject: [bcab] End of Freedom?
>>> 
>>> 
 Greetings,
 
 I am posting the main text from a thread just seen on the Blind Audio List
 which I am surprised not to have seen on the BCAB or AccessUK groups.
 
 Ought we to give much credence to this?
 
 I, for one, would welcome any comments from Sight and Sound.
 
 From: "Otto Zamora" 
 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 05:44:14 -0400
 
 Morning,
 
 In an advocate meeting yesterday, the subject came up reference Freedom
 Scientific, the company that among other things sports JFw.
 Because the company is in the state of Florida, it came up on  a flag by an
 analyst.
 Seems this company is having bad money troubles, not surprising given the
 economy, but talk is that they are now looking to sell off some of their
 division, mainly their JFW area.
 I am not sure who if anyone will buy this division, considering that there
 is an entity now selling a fully integrated package for only $700.
 Besides a comprehensive screen reader, if the user chooses to get the
 package, there is a browser, along with a customed and fully accessible web
 sites, word processing, and E mail.
 all of this can apparently be accessed either on line, or as individual
 program.
 ad to that, the entertainment mogill, and you have a powerful tool indeed
 for the kind of money they are asking for.
 Another side of the equation is the apple company, now selling computers
 already with speech on board right out of the box and off the shelf.
 Put these two aspects together, and you have a deadly combo that might very
 well result in a abrupt end to the JFW program.
 Considering the way that technology is growing, older versions of JFW, will
 only work for a short while until the programs controlling the OS, begins 
 to
 outgrow the application.
 In seeing this package, one of the things which was pointed out to me, was
 the learning curve, which for the new package being sold by Mr.. Mike 
 Calvo,
 is very short.
 The user has the option to learn as little or as much as they want without
 real loss. From: "Alison Trelfa" 
 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:36:47 +0100
 
 Hello, Otto,
 
 I wonder whether many jaws users would move to another speech program as 
 yet
 as many of the packages that are not standard probably wouldn't be 
 supported
 by the out of the box speech. I run Sonar and Sibelius 5.25, both of which
 are using scripts that have been written by folk who specialise not only in
 Jaws, but only in the two programs. I suppose those people who only need
 computers for basic commands may well get away with speech such as you
 describe, but I don't think that Jaws would just be dismissed out of hand
 because Freedom is going. I think Jaws has changed hands once before if I'm
 not mistaken? Correct me if I'm wrong there.
 
 I would be very sorry to see Jaws go under, but I'm not worried yet. There
 is a huge following for Jaws and I believe that someone would take it over.
 
 From: "Otto Zamora" 
 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 10:49:36 -0400
 
 hi,
 
 You are correct, I am just stating that from what we were told, they are
 having a hard time finding someone who will take on the project,especially
 since as you point out, most people are  not using anything that is high
 end, and from what we also have heard, people are tired of having to pay
 $1500 and change, when there now is a program which will do speech and more
 for only $700.
 Given the economy, for many people, the sedition may be financial.
 
 
 From: Geoff Long 
 Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 16:20:04 +0100
 
 Hi Alison, I wonder how many JAWS users have to
 pay for their own equipment.  I use window-eyes,
 which is considerably less expensive, and as I
 had to pay for my training and kit from my own
 pocket, it makes a big difference.
 
 From: "Dr Norman Waddington" 
 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 16:36:22 +0100
 
 Hi Geoff,
 
 I need no introduction to you on this list.
 
 

Re: Tech Doctor Podcast 4 available

[Alfredo]

Hey were can I get a copy of the book by Kathian Merta the Immersion
into Windows 7.  Excuse me if I wrote the name of the author or book
incorrectly and feel free to correct me.  I did a google search and I
did not find the book.  Is she the sasme author that doe sthe IPod and
ITunes books?  About hwo much does the Windows 7 book cost?

Thanks Alfredo

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Re: [bcab] End of Freedom?

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

I feel sorry for the people who will loose their jobs.
On Jun 5, 2010, at 12:22 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:

> I certainly agree. Yay, yay, no more overpriced, unfair JAWS.
> Courtney
> 
> On 05/06/2010, at 1:19 in the Afternoon, Olivia Norman wrote:
> 
>> YAY! YAY! YAY! Goodbye Jaws! :) :) :) :)
>> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs
>> 
>> On Jun 5, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>>> Off topic, but I feel everyone will be interested especially those people 
>>> who run Fusion on their Macs.
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
 From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" 
 Date: June 5, 2010 9:36:33 AM GMT+01:00
 To: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
 Subject: Fw: [bcab] End of Freedom?
 
 
 - Original Message - From: "Colin r. Howard" 
 To: ; ; 
 ; ; 
 
 Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:30 AM
 Subject: [bcab] End of Freedom?
 
 
> Greetings,
> 
> I am posting the main text from a thread just seen on the Blind Audio List
> which I am surprised not to have seen on the BCAB or AccessUK groups.
> 
> Ought we to give much credence to this?
> 
> I, for one, would welcome any comments from Sight and Sound.
> 
> From: "Otto Zamora" 
> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 05:44:14 -0400
> 
> Morning,
> 
> In an advocate meeting yesterday, the subject came up reference Freedom
> Scientific, the company that among other things sports JFw.
> Because the company is in the state of Florida, it came up on  a flag by 
> an
> analyst.
> Seems this company is having bad money troubles, not surprising given the
> economy, but talk is that they are now looking to sell off some of their
> division, mainly their JFW area.
> I am not sure who if anyone will buy this division, considering that there
> is an entity now selling a fully integrated package for only $700.
> Besides a comprehensive screen reader, if the user chooses to get the
> package, there is a browser, along with a customed and fully accessible 
> web
> sites, word processing, and E mail.
> all of this can apparently be accessed either on line, or as individual
> program.
> ad to that, the entertainment mogill, and you have a powerful tool indeed
> for the kind of money they are asking for.
> Another side of the equation is the apple company, now selling computers
> already with speech on board right out of the box and off the shelf.
> Put these two aspects together, and you have a deadly combo that might 
> very
> well result in a abrupt end to the JFW program.
> Considering the way that technology is growing, older versions of JFW, 
> will
> only work for a short while until the programs controlling the OS, begins 
> to
> outgrow the application.
> In seeing this package, one of the things which was pointed out to me, was
> the learning curve, which for the new package being sold by Mr.. Mike 
> Calvo,
> is very short.
> The user has the option to learn as little or as much as they want without
> real loss. From: "Alison Trelfa" 
> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:36:47 +0100
> 
> Hello, Otto,
> 
> I wonder whether many jaws users would move to another speech program as 
> yet
> as many of the packages that are not standard probably wouldn't be 
> supported
> by the out of the box speech. I run Sonar and Sibelius 5.25, both of which
> are using scripts that have been written by folk who specialise not only 
> in
> Jaws, but only in the two programs. I suppose those people who only need
> computers for basic commands may well get away with speech such as you
> describe, but I don't think that Jaws would just be dismissed out of hand
> because Freedom is going. I think Jaws has changed hands once before if 
> I'm
> not mistaken? Correct me if I'm wrong there.
> 
> I would be very sorry to see Jaws go under, but I'm not worried yet. There
> is a huge following for Jaws and I believe that someone would take it 
> over.
> 
> From: "Otto Zamora" 
> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 10:49:36 -0400
> 
> hi,
> 
> You are correct, I am just stating that from what we were told, they are
> having a hard time finding someone who will take on the project,especially
> since as you point out, most people are  not using anything that is high
> end, and from what we also have heard, people are tired of having to pay
> $1500 and change, when there now is a program which will do speech and 
> more
> for only $700.
> Given the economy, for many people, the sedition may be financial.
> 
> 
> From: Geoff Long 
> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 16:20:04 +0100
> 
> Hi Alison, I wonder how many JAWS users have to
> pay for their own equipment.  I use window-eyes,
> which is considerably less e

Re: [bcab] End of Freedom?

[Donna Goodin]

I agree with you.
Donna
On Jun 5, 2010, at 2:03 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

> I feel sorry for the people who will loose their jobs.
> On Jun 5, 2010, at 12:22 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:
> 
>> I certainly agree. Yay, yay, no more overpriced, unfair JAWS.
>> Courtney
>> 
>> On 05/06/2010, at 1:19 in the Afternoon, Olivia Norman wrote:
>> 
>>> YAY! YAY! YAY! Goodbye Jaws! :) :) :) :)
>>> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs
>>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>>> 
 Off topic, but I feel everyone will be interested especially those people 
 who run Fusion on their Macs.
 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
> From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" 
> Date: June 5, 2010 9:36:33 AM GMT+01:00
> To: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
> Subject: Fw: [bcab] End of Freedom?
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Colin r. Howard" 
> To: ; ; 
> ; ; 
> 
> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:30 AM
> Subject: [bcab] End of Freedom?
> 
> 
>> Greetings,
>> 
>> I am posting the main text from a thread just seen on the Blind Audio 
>> List
>> which I am surprised not to have seen on the BCAB or AccessUK groups.
>> 
>> Ought we to give much credence to this?
>> 
>> I, for one, would welcome any comments from Sight and Sound.
>> 
>> From: "Otto Zamora" 
>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 05:44:14 -0400
>> 
>> Morning,
>> 
>> In an advocate meeting yesterday, the subject came up reference Freedom
>> Scientific, the company that among other things sports JFw.
>> Because the company is in the state of Florida, it came up on  a flag by 
>> an
>> analyst.
>> Seems this company is having bad money troubles, not surprising given the
>> economy, but talk is that they are now looking to sell off some of their
>> division, mainly their JFW area.
>> I am not sure who if anyone will buy this division, considering that 
>> there
>> is an entity now selling a fully integrated package for only $700.
>> Besides a comprehensive screen reader, if the user chooses to get the
>> package, there is a browser, along with a customed and fully accessible 
>> web
>> sites, word processing, and E mail.
>> all of this can apparently be accessed either on line, or as individual
>> program.
>> ad to that, the entertainment mogill, and you have a powerful tool indeed
>> for the kind of money they are asking for.
>> Another side of the equation is the apple company, now selling computers
>> already with speech on board right out of the box and off the shelf.
>> Put these two aspects together, and you have a deadly combo that might 
>> very
>> well result in a abrupt end to the JFW program.
>> Considering the way that technology is growing, older versions of JFW, 
>> will
>> only work for a short while until the programs controlling the OS, 
>> begins to
>> outgrow the application.
>> In seeing this package, one of the things which was pointed out to me, 
>> was
>> the learning curve, which for the new package being sold by Mr.. Mike 
>> Calvo,
>> is very short.
>> The user has the option to learn as little or as much as they want 
>> without
>> real loss. From: "Alison Trelfa" 
>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:36:47 +0100
>> 
>> Hello, Otto,
>> 
>> I wonder whether many jaws users would move to another speech program as 
>> yet
>> as many of the packages that are not standard probably wouldn't be 
>> supported
>> by the out of the box speech. I run Sonar and Sibelius 5.25, both of 
>> which
>> are using scripts that have been written by folk who specialise not only 
>> in
>> Jaws, but only in the two programs. I suppose those people who only need
>> computers for basic commands may well get away with speech such as you
>> describe, but I don't think that Jaws would just be dismissed out of hand
>> because Freedom is going. I think Jaws has changed hands once before if 
>> I'm
>> not mistaken? Correct me if I'm wrong there.
>> 
>> I would be very sorry to see Jaws go under, but I'm not worried yet. 
>> There
>> is a huge following for Jaws and I believe that someone would take it 
>> over.
>> 
>> From: "Otto Zamora" 
>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 10:49:36 -0400
>> 
>> hi,
>> 
>> You are correct, I am just stating that from what we were told, they are
>> having a hard time finding someone who will take on the 
>> project,especially
>> since as you point out, most people are  not using anything that is high
>> end, and from what we also have heard, people are tired of having to pay
>> $1500 and change, when there now is a program which will do speech and 
>> more
>> for only $700.
>> Given the economy, for many people, the seditio

Re: [bcab] End of Freedom?

[Teresa Cochran]

Well, it strikes me as being at the rumor and discussion level as of yet, but I 
wouldn't be surprised to see FS move in that direction. Personally, I won't be 
getting any more JAWS upgrades, and I'm perfectly happy with the Mac and Alex. 
:)

Teresa
On Jun 5, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> Off topic, but I feel everyone will be interested especially those people who 
> run Fusion on their Macs.
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" 
>> Date: June 5, 2010 9:36:33 AM GMT+01:00
>> To: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
>> Subject: Fw: [bcab] End of Freedom?
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Colin r. Howard" 
>> To: ; ; 
>> ; ; 
>> 
>> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:30 AM
>> Subject: [bcab] End of Freedom?
>> 
>> 
>>> Greetings,
>>> 
>>> I am posting the main text from a thread just seen on the Blind Audio List
>>> which I am surprised not to have seen on the BCAB or AccessUK groups.
>>> 
>>> Ought we to give much credence to this?
>>> 
>>> I, for one, would welcome any comments from Sight and Sound.
>>> 
>>> From: "Otto Zamora" 
>>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 05:44:14 -0400
>>> 
>>> Morning,
>>> 
>>> In an advocate meeting yesterday, the subject came up reference Freedom
>>> Scientific, the company that among other things sports JFw.
>>> Because the company is in the state of Florida, it came up on  a flag by an
>>> analyst.
>>> Seems this company is having bad money troubles, not surprising given the
>>> economy, but talk is that they are now looking to sell off some of their
>>> division, mainly their JFW area.
>>> I am not sure who if anyone will buy this division, considering that there
>>> is an entity now selling a fully integrated package for only $700.
>>> Besides a comprehensive screen reader, if the user chooses to get the
>>> package, there is a browser, along with a customed and fully accessible web
>>> sites, word processing, and E mail.
>>> all of this can apparently be accessed either on line, or as individual
>>> program.
>>> ad to that, the entertainment mogill, and you have a powerful tool indeed
>>> for the kind of money they are asking for.
>>> Another side of the equation is the apple company, now selling computers
>>> already with speech on board right out of the box and off the shelf.
>>> Put these two aspects together, and you have a deadly combo that might very
>>> well result in a abrupt end to the JFW program.
>>> Considering the way that technology is growing, older versions of JFW, will
>>> only work for a short while until the programs controlling the OS, begins to
>>> outgrow the application.
>>> In seeing this package, one of the things which was pointed out to me, was
>>> the learning curve, which for the new package being sold by Mr.. Mike Calvo,
>>> is very short.
>>> The user has the option to learn as little or as much as they want without
>>> real loss. From: "Alison Trelfa" 
>>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:36:47 +0100
>>> 
>>> Hello, Otto,
>>> 
>>> I wonder whether many jaws users would move to another speech program as yet
>>> as many of the packages that are not standard probably wouldn't be supported
>>> by the out of the box speech. I run Sonar and Sibelius 5.25, both of which
>>> are using scripts that have been written by folk who specialise not only in
>>> Jaws, but only in the two programs. I suppose those people who only need
>>> computers for basic commands may well get away with speech such as you
>>> describe, but I don't think that Jaws would just be dismissed out of hand
>>> because Freedom is going. I think Jaws has changed hands once before if I'm
>>> not mistaken? Correct me if I'm wrong there.
>>> 
>>> I would be very sorry to see Jaws go under, but I'm not worried yet. There
>>> is a huge following for Jaws and I believe that someone would take it over.
>>> 
>>> From: "Otto Zamora" 
>>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 10:49:36 -0400
>>> 
>>> hi,
>>> 
>>> You are correct, I am just stating that from what we were told, they are
>>> having a hard time finding someone who will take on the project,especially
>>> since as you point out, most people are  not using anything that is high
>>> end, and from what we also have heard, people are tired of having to pay
>>> $1500 and change, when there now is a program which will do speech and more
>>> for only $700.
>>> Given the economy, for many people, the sedition may be financial.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Geoff Long 
>>> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 16:20:04 +0100
>>> 
>>> Hi Alison, I wonder how many JAWS users have to
>>> pay for their own equipment.  I use window-eyes,
>>> which is considerably less expensive, and as I
>>> had to pay for my training and kit from my own
>>> pocket, it makes a big difference.
>>> 
>>> From: "Dr Norman Waddington" 
>>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 16:36:22 +0100
>>> 
>>> Hi Geoff,
>>> 
>>> I need no introduction to you on this list.
>>> 
>>> I am a Jaws user and have paid all the way through out of my own pocket from
>>> version 3.5 methinks if I remember correctly.
>>> 
>>> 
>

Re: Fusion volume problem

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi All.

At present, I had to kill windows 7 as when I did update Fusion, jaws would not 
speak.  I need to know how to uninstall Fusion so I can start from scratch.  I 
will have to download the latest one and hopefully jaws will speak.

Kawal.
On Jun 5, 2010, at 9:58 AM, Scott Howell wrote:

> The solution for now is to roll back to 3.0. Just copy your 3.0 over the 3.10 
> app. Of course let VMWare know about the issue and I am sure they will 
> address it in the next version.
> 
> On Jun 4, 2010, at 9:37 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> 
>> Yeah I've found this also. It's a pain in the rare end.
>> 
>> Any ideas on how to fix this would be appreciated.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Orin
>> Sent: Saturday, 5 June 2010 6:58 a.m.
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Fusion volume problem
>> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> Just upgraded to I think it was 3.1 las tnight, and my volume is quite low.
>> Anyone know if there's a way to fix this? Everything windows volume wise is
>> at 100 percent.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
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Re: Can you set the VO keys to the caps lock like in jaws?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi All.

I wish I could get a jaws cursor using sharp keys but I can't so will have to 
remap the keys in jaws once windows seven is up and running.  At work on 
occasions as I have XP installed, I will press the windows key and alt thinking 
I've got Voice over running.  My hands go all over the place.  So VO can be 
addictive since it's so simple once you get the hang of the basics.

Kawal.

On Jun 5, 2010, at 11:39 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote:

> I'm sure we've all felt that way about a pet feature, I can't remember what 
> mine was, but I did have one:).
> 
> Now adays I sometimes find myself at work trying to use two modifiers on jaws 
> just because I rarely think about it at all anymore.
> On 2010-06-04, at 5:23 PM, Alfredo wrote:
> 
>> I was afradi i was going to get this answer.  I love my caplocks key,
>> and just thinking of having ot press 2 modifier kieys in conjunction
>> with other keys makes me feel lazy.  But hey if I have to, just to
>> have access to a computer from the get go, and be able to save a
>> backup of the computer in case it fails ona  separate drive, and do it
>> all on my own, then I will.  If anyone has been able to write a
>> script, maybe in conjunction with the sharp application, to make the
>> caplocks the modifier key, please let me know.
>> 
>> alfredo
>> 
>> thanks for the response
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Re: OT--End of Freedom?

[Ana G]

Jaws is a good product, but it's been overpriced for years, and Freedom 
Scientific hasn't been very responsive to its customer base. We all benefit 
from screen reader competition. Let's hope FS rethinks it's mission and 
approach rather than selling off its best product. Open Book, the latest 
version, is a real disappointment, not at all worth the thousand dollar 
price tag. 


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Re: [bcab] End of Freedom?

[Kaare Dehard]

I feel as sorry for the stupid or missinformed employers who will force the job 
losses. There are other windows based screen readers out there, some with 
plenty of scripting capabilities, such as window-eyes whos scripting fits more 
in to the modern age. We can't expect them all to addopt macs:) but we can 
pitty them their stupidity if they don't see that the wold wasn't created in 6 
days for the blind by freedom:).
On 2010-06-05, at 2:21 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:

> I agree with you.
> Donna
> On Jun 5, 2010, at 2:03 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
> 
>> I feel sorry for the people who will loose their jobs.
>> On Jun 5, 2010, at 12:22 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:
>> 
>>> I certainly agree. Yay, yay, no more overpriced, unfair JAWS.
>>> Courtney
>>> 
>>> On 05/06/2010, at 1:19 in the Afternoon, Olivia Norman wrote:
>>> 
 YAY! YAY! YAY! Goodbye Jaws! :) :) :) :)
 "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs
 
 On Jun 5, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 
> Off topic, but I feel everyone will be interested especially those people 
> who run Fusion on their Macs.
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" 
>> Date: June 5, 2010 9:36:33 AM GMT+01:00
>> To: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
>> Subject: Fw: [bcab] End of Freedom?
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Colin r. Howard" 
>> To: ; ; 
>> ; ; 
>> 
>> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:30 AM
>> Subject: [bcab] End of Freedom?
>> 
>> 
>>> Greetings,
>>> 
>>> I am posting the main text from a thread just seen on the Blind Audio 
>>> List
>>> which I am surprised not to have seen on the BCAB or AccessUK groups.
>>> 
>>> Ought we to give much credence to this?
>>> 
>>> I, for one, would welcome any comments from Sight and Sound.
>>> 
>>> From: "Otto Zamora" 
>>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 05:44:14 -0400
>>> 
>>> Morning,
>>> 
>>> In an advocate meeting yesterday, the subject came up reference Freedom
>>> Scientific, the company that among other things sports JFw.
>>> Because the company is in the state of Florida, it came up on  a flag 
>>> by an
>>> analyst.
>>> Seems this company is having bad money troubles, not surprising given 
>>> the
>>> economy, but talk is that they are now looking to sell off some of their
>>> division, mainly their JFW area.
>>> I am not sure who if anyone will buy this division, considering that 
>>> there
>>> is an entity now selling a fully integrated package for only $700.
>>> Besides a comprehensive screen reader, if the user chooses to get the
>>> package, there is a browser, along with a customed and fully accessible 
>>> web
>>> sites, word processing, and E mail.
>>> all of this can apparently be accessed either on line, or as individual
>>> program.
>>> ad to that, the entertainment mogill, and you have a powerful tool 
>>> indeed
>>> for the kind of money they are asking for.
>>> Another side of the equation is the apple company, now selling computers
>>> already with speech on board right out of the box and off the shelf.
>>> Put these two aspects together, and you have a deadly combo that might 
>>> very
>>> well result in a abrupt end to the JFW program.
>>> Considering the way that technology is growing, older versions of JFW, 
>>> will
>>> only work for a short while until the programs controlling the OS, 
>>> begins to
>>> outgrow the application.
>>> In seeing this package, one of the things which was pointed out to me, 
>>> was
>>> the learning curve, which for the new package being sold by Mr.. Mike 
>>> Calvo,
>>> is very short.
>>> The user has the option to learn as little or as much as they want 
>>> without
>>> real loss. From: "Alison Trelfa" 
>>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:36:47 +0100
>>> 
>>> Hello, Otto,
>>> 
>>> I wonder whether many jaws users would move to another speech program 
>>> as yet
>>> as many of the packages that are not standard probably wouldn't be 
>>> supported
>>> by the out of the box speech. I run Sonar and Sibelius 5.25, both of 
>>> which
>>> are using scripts that have been written by folk who specialise not 
>>> only in
>>> Jaws, but only in the two programs. I suppose those people who only need
>>> computers for basic commands may well get away with speech such as you
>>> describe, but I don't think that Jaws would just be dismissed out of 
>>> hand
>>> because Freedom is going. I think Jaws has changed hands once before if 
>>> I'm
>>> not mistaken? Correct me if I'm wrong there.
>>> 
>>> I would be very sorry to see Jaws go under, but I'm not worried yet. 
>>> There
>>> is a huge following for Jaws and I believe that someone would take it 
>>>

Re: Voiceover and Alva Satelite 544

[Georges Zaynoun]

You seem to certainly have the one with 10AA batteries or am I wrong?
Original message:

Hi,
I'm trying to connect my Macbook to an Alva Satelite 544 braille 
display, but it can't be detected. I'm wondering if mine is so old that 
it's not supported despite the fact the voiceover help says that the 
Alva Satelite 544 is supported. What else can be wrong? I've set the 
display to Usb, i've turned off and then restarted the braille display 
to no avail. Does it matter what usb port on the display i use, there 
are 3 of them, one with a different plug than the standard flattish 
one, that's the port i use.

What other obvious things have i been missing?
/Krister, confused



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Re: [bcab] End of Freedom?

[Kaare Dehard]

Me too, but this follows a patern of extremely self-satisfied bloated companies 
beginning to count the money and ignore the market. It happened to artec 
technologies, and if you look at the late 80s and look at apple's performance 
until the return of s.j you could see the same sort of thing. 
On 2010-06-05, at 2:07 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

> Well, it strikes me as being at the rumor and discussion level as of yet, but 
> I wouldn't be surprised to see FS move in that direction. Personally, I won't 
> be getting any more JAWS upgrades, and I'm perfectly happy with the Mac and 
> Alex. :)
> 
> Teresa
> On Jun 5, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> Off topic, but I feel everyone will be interested especially those people 
>> who run Fusion on their Macs.
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" 
>>> Date: June 5, 2010 9:36:33 AM GMT+01:00
>>> To: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
>>> Subject: Fw: [bcab] End of Freedom?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Colin r. Howard" 
>>> To: ; ; 
>>> ; ; 
>>> 
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:30 AM
>>> Subject: [bcab] End of Freedom?
>>> 
>>> 
 Greetings,
 
 I am posting the main text from a thread just seen on the Blind Audio List
 which I am surprised not to have seen on the BCAB or AccessUK groups.
 
 Ought we to give much credence to this?
 
 I, for one, would welcome any comments from Sight and Sound.
 
 From: "Otto Zamora" 
 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 05:44:14 -0400
 
 Morning,
 
 In an advocate meeting yesterday, the subject came up reference Freedom
 Scientific, the company that among other things sports JFw.
 Because the company is in the state of Florida, it came up on  a flag by an
 analyst.
 Seems this company is having bad money troubles, not surprising given the
 economy, but talk is that they are now looking to sell off some of their
 division, mainly their JFW area.
 I am not sure who if anyone will buy this division, considering that there
 is an entity now selling a fully integrated package for only $700.
 Besides a comprehensive screen reader, if the user chooses to get the
 package, there is a browser, along with a customed and fully accessible web
 sites, word processing, and E mail.
 all of this can apparently be accessed either on line, or as individual
 program.
 ad to that, the entertainment mogill, and you have a powerful tool indeed
 for the kind of money they are asking for.
 Another side of the equation is the apple company, now selling computers
 already with speech on board right out of the box and off the shelf.
 Put these two aspects together, and you have a deadly combo that might very
 well result in a abrupt end to the JFW program.
 Considering the way that technology is growing, older versions of JFW, will
 only work for a short while until the programs controlling the OS, begins 
 to
 outgrow the application.
 In seeing this package, one of the things which was pointed out to me, was
 the learning curve, which for the new package being sold by Mr.. Mike 
 Calvo,
 is very short.
 The user has the option to learn as little or as much as they want without
 real loss. From: "Alison Trelfa" 
 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:36:47 +0100
 
 Hello, Otto,
 
 I wonder whether many jaws users would move to another speech program as 
 yet
 as many of the packages that are not standard probably wouldn't be 
 supported
 by the out of the box speech. I run Sonar and Sibelius 5.25, both of which
 are using scripts that have been written by folk who specialise not only in
 Jaws, but only in the two programs. I suppose those people who only need
 computers for basic commands may well get away with speech such as you
 describe, but I don't think that Jaws would just be dismissed out of hand
 because Freedom is going. I think Jaws has changed hands once before if I'm
 not mistaken? Correct me if I'm wrong there.
 
 I would be very sorry to see Jaws go under, but I'm not worried yet. There
 is a huge following for Jaws and I believe that someone would take it over.
 
 From: "Otto Zamora" 
 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 10:49:36 -0400
 
 hi,
 
 You are correct, I am just stating that from what we were told, they are
 having a hard time finding someone who will take on the project,especially
 since as you point out, most people are  not using anything that is high
 end, and from what we also have heard, people are tired of having to pay
 $1500 and change, when there now is a program which will do speech and more
 for only $700.
 Given the economy, for many people, the sedition may be financial.
 
 
 From: Geoff Long 
 Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 16:20:04 +0100
 
 Hi Alison, I wonder how many JAWS users have to
 pay f

Re: Voiceover and Alva Satelite 544

[Krister Ekstrom]

You are right, i have the one with 10 aa batteries. On the Apple site i 
couldn't see that a special driver was necessary so this still remains a 
mystery to me.
/Krister


5 jun 2010 kl. 20.30 skrev Georges Zaynoun:

> You seem to certainly have the one with 10AA batteries or am I wrong?
> Original message:
>> Hi,
>> I'm trying to connect my Macbook to an Alva Satelite 544 braille display, 
>> but it can't be detected. I'm wondering if mine is so old that it's not 
>> supported despite the fact the voiceover help says that the Alva Satelite 
>> 544 is supported. What else can be wrong? I've set the display to Usb, i've 
>> turned off and then restarted the braille display to no avail. Does it 
>> matter what usb port on the display i use, there are 3 of them, one with a 
>> different plug than the standard flattish one, that's the port i use.
>> What other obvious things have i been missing?
>> /Krister, confused
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Re: Voiceover and Alva Satelite 544

[Mike Pedersen]

Do you hear the Alva initialization sound when you connect the USB to the Mac?  
I'm currently using one of these with a Macbook pro running Snow Leopard and it 
is working fine.  The alva that I am using is a satellite 44 that is about 6 
years old.  It is the one with the USB port only it does not have the serial 
port.  

Mike

On Jun 5, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

> You are right, i have the one with 10 aa batteries. On the Apple site i 
> couldn't see that a special driver was necessary so this still remains a 
> mystery to me.
> /Krister
> 
> 
> 5 jun 2010 kl. 20.30 skrev Georges Zaynoun:
> 
>> You seem to certainly have the one with 10AA batteries or am I wrong?
>> Original message:
>>> Hi,
>>> I'm trying to connect my Macbook to an Alva Satelite 544 braille display, 
>>> but it can't be detected. I'm wondering if mine is so old that it's not 
>>> supported despite the fact the voiceover help says that the Alva Satelite 
>>> 544 is supported. What else can be wrong? I've set the display to Usb, i've 
>>> turned off and then restarted the braille display to no avail. Does it 
>>> matter what usb port on the display i use, there are 3 of them, one with a 
>>> different plug than the standard flattish one, that's the port i use.
>>> What other obvious things have i been missing?
>>> /Krister, confused
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Re: [bcab] End of Freedom?

[Maxwell Ivey Jr.]

I too hope the owners of freedom will come to their senses.  This  
could be the opportunity they need to reevaluate their product, their  
service, their mission, etc.  and perhaps the selling off of the  
product might be best for the users of jaws.  whatever company that  
aquires it won't be buying it just to remove a competitor.  So, good  
workers may be able to continue on with the new owners.  this is the  
time that those who care will work their hardest to shine in the eyes  
of current and potential future owners.  I wish us all luck as the  
outcome affects all of us even the ones who choose mac over windows.   
thanks, Max

On Jun 5, 2010, at 1:29 PM, Kaare Dehard wrote:

I feel as sorry for the stupid or missinformed employers who will  
force the job losses. There are other windows based screen readers  
out there, some with plenty of scripting capabilities, such as  
window-eyes whos scripting fits more in to the modern age. We can't  
expect them all to addopt macs:) but we can pitty them their  
stupidity if they don't see that the wold wasn't created in 6 days  
for the blind by freedom:).

On 2010-06-05, at 2:21 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:


I agree with you.
Donna
On Jun 5, 2010, at 2:03 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:


I feel sorry for the people who will loose their jobs.
On Jun 5, 2010, at 12:22 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:


I certainly agree. Yay, yay, no more overpriced, unfair JAWS.
Courtney

On 05/06/2010, at 1:19 in the Afternoon, Olivia Norman wrote:


YAY! YAY! YAY! Goodbye Jaws! :) :) :) :)
"Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve  
Jobs


On Jun 5, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

Off topic, but I feel everyone will be interested especially  
those people who run Fusion on their Macs.


Begin forwarded message:


From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" 
Date: June 5, 2010 9:36:33 AM GMT+01:00
To: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
Subject: Fw: [bcab] End of Freedom?


- Original Message - From: "Colin r. Howard" >
To: ; ; >; ; 

Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:30 AM
Subject: [bcab] End of Freedom?



Greetings,

I am posting the main text from a thread just seen on the  
Blind Audio List
which I am surprised not to have seen on the BCAB or AccessUK  
groups.


Ought we to give much credence to this?

I, for one, would welcome any comments from Sight and Sound.

From: "Otto Zamora" 
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 05:44:14 -0400

Morning,

In an advocate meeting yesterday, the subject came up  
reference Freedom

Scientific, the company that among other things sports JFw.
Because the company is in the state of Florida, it came up  
on  a flag by an

analyst.
Seems this company is having bad money troubles, not  
surprising given the
economy, but talk is that they are now looking to sell off  
some of their

division, mainly their JFW area.
I am not sure who if anyone will buy this division,  
considering that there
is an entity now selling a fully integrated package for only  
$700.
Besides a comprehensive screen reader, if the user chooses to  
get the
package, there is a browser, along with a customed and fully  
accessible web

sites, word processing, and E mail.
all of this can apparently be accessed either on line, or as  
individual

program.
ad to that, the entertainment mogill, and you have a powerful  
tool indeed

for the kind of money they are asking for.
Another side of the equation is the apple company, now  
selling computers
already with speech on board right out of the box and off the  
shelf.
Put these two aspects together, and you have a deadly combo  
that might very

well result in a abrupt end to the JFW program.
Considering the way that technology is growing, older  
versions of JFW, will
only work for a short while until the programs controlling  
the OS, begins to

outgrow the application.
In seeing this package, one of the things which was pointed  
out to me, was
the learning curve, which for the new package being sold by  
Mr.. Mike Calvo,

is very short.
The user has the option to learn as little or as much as they  
want without

real loss. From: "Alison Trelfa" 
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:36:47 +0100

Hello, Otto,

I wonder whether many jaws users would move to another speech  
program as yet
as many of the packages that are not standard probably  
wouldn't be supported
by the out of the box speech. I run Sonar and Sibelius 5.25,  
both of which
are using scripts that have been written by folk who  
specialise not only in
Jaws, but only in the two programs. I suppose those people  
who only need
computers for basic commands may well get away with speech  
such as you
describe, but I don't think that Jaws would just be dismissed  
out of hand
because Freedom is going. I think Jaws has changed hands once  
before if I'm

not mistaken? Correct me if I'm wrong there.

I would be very sorry to see Jaws go under, but I'm not  
worried yet. There
is a huge following for Jaws and I believe that someone would  
take it over.


From: "Otto Zamora" 
Date: Fri, 4 J

Focus 40 Blue?

[Teresa Cochran]

I notice that "Focus 40" is listed in the supported Braille displays. Does this 
specifically include the Focus 40 Blue? I'm seriously considering getting one.

Thanks,
Teresa

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same-page links

[Teresa Cochran]

Is there a way to jump to a same-page link? I can't seem to use those at 
present with the spacebar or return keys.

Thanks,
Teresa

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Re: Thanks and more help Please

[Allison Manzino]

Hi Carolyn and Tia,

Did I read correctly that you were pressing command D to paste? If I did 
interpret that correctly, you should press command V as in victor to paste. 
There is also something that you can check in system preferences I believe that 
will show file extensions. I have this checked to show all file extensions. 
Guess that comes from my windows background :) 

Allison

On Jun 5, 2010, at 12:20 AM, Michael Huckabay wrote:

> All right so are you just trying to coppy the book from your finder window to 
> your sd card?  If so all you should need to do is coppy the book and then 
> navigate to your sd card wich should be on the finder desktop window and then 
> when you are in your sd card folder open that and paste the file.
> If you have further ?'s e-male me off line or add me to msn and I will try 
> and help you further.
> mikehucka...@me.com  Is my e-male and msn thanks. I hope I helpd you.
> On 2010-06-04, at 10:15 PM, Carolyn wrote:
> 
>> Hi:
>> I have yet another question.  Thanks in advance for helping me move forward. 
>>  I'm loving this!!!
>> 
>> Carolyn:):):)
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: Carolyn 
>>> Date: June 4, 2010 8:48:13 PM MDT
>>> To: Olivia Norman 
>>> Subject: Thanks
>>> ast session I found a book I had downloaded from the NLS website.  I know 
>>> that on the pc, they usually download as zip files.  I don't see any file 
>>> extentions on this book.  When I right arrow, it shows the numbered files, 
>>> like you see in Windows when it has unzipped a zip file.  So, now I want to 
>>> put it on my Victor Reader SD card using the card reader.  I managed to put 
>>> the card in and locate it in the finder (it's called no name:))
>>> I went back to the downloaded book, colapsed the book (by left arrowing), 
>>> and tried to copy and paste by pressing command-c, going over to the sd 
>>> card and into $dtb and doing command D.  I get the ding, and no copy.  Can 
>>> you tell me from tis description what step(s) I may be missing?
>>> 
>>> TIA
>>> 
>>> I'm really falling for this Mac:)
>>> Carolyn
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Re: Voiceover and Alva Satelite 544

[Krister Ekstrom]

Yeah i hear the initialization sound just fine but then nothing more happens. 
It could be that my display is too old to actually be supported, but i don't 
know if there was a newer satelite than the one i have before the Traveler came.
/Krister

5 jun 2010 kl. 21.16 skrev Mike Pedersen:

> Do you hear the Alva initialization sound when you connect the USB to the 
> Mac?  I'm currently using one of these with a Macbook pro running Snow 
> Leopard and it is working fine.  The alva that I am using is a satellite 44 
> that is about 6 years old.  It is the one with the USB port only it does not 
> have the serial port.  
> 
> Mike
> 
> On Jun 5, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
> 
>> You are right, i have the one with 10 aa batteries. On the Apple site i 
>> couldn't see that a special driver was necessary so this still remains a 
>> mystery to me.
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 
>> 5 jun 2010 kl. 20.30 skrev Georges Zaynoun:
>> 
>>> You seem to certainly have the one with 10AA batteries or am I wrong?
>>> Original message:
 Hi,
 I'm trying to connect my Macbook to an Alva Satelite 544 braille display, 
 but it can't be detected. I'm wondering if mine is so old that it's not 
 supported despite the fact the voiceover help says that the Alva Satelite 
 544 is supported. What else can be wrong? I've set the display to Usb, 
 i've turned off and then restarted the braille display to no avail. Does 
 it matter what usb port on the display i use, there are 3 of them, one 
 with a different plug than the standard flattish one, that's the port i 
 use.
 What other obvious things have i been missing?
 /Krister, confused
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Re: My DVD Remaster Podcast

[Allison Manzino]

Hey Mark,

Thank you so much for your kind message. I always try to help others, and to be 
the kindest gentlest person I can be. That's just my philosophy in life. I also 
feel that since this list has helped me so much, ad no one has laughed at all 
my dumb questions, I feel I'm giving back in  a way. If there's anything else I 
can record, 
just let me know. Have a wonderful day!

Allison
On Jun 5, 2010, at 12:58 AM, M. Taylor wrote:

> Hello Alison, 
> 
> Thank you for taking the time to record this podcast.  You are very
> thoughtful.  
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Allison Manzino
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 6:39 PM
> To: Mac Visionaries
> Subject: My DVD Remaster Podcast
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Thank you to all for your assistance thus far with Skype, Iphone etc. I
> recorded a podcast on how to use Ripit and DVD Remaster to extract a DVD and
> burn a DVD. I will do one on how to extract the audio soon as my laryngitis
> clears up. But in the meantime, here is the podcast. You can listen or
> download it by going to:
> http://gwenna.podbean.com
> It's just called DVD Remaster. I hope you have a great evening.
> 
> Musically,
> Allison
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Re: My DVD Remaster Podcast

[Allison Manzino]

Hi Alfredo,

I just figured it out. My apologies in this message being so late in coming. I 
have been stricken with a really bad cold and laryngitis. I think I have the 
answer for you. You can subscribe in Itunes if you wish by pasting the 
following in to the podcatcher app. 

http://gwenna.podbean.com/feed


To download the podcast from the site directly:
1. Go to gwenna.podbean.com and find the dvd remaster podcast.
2. Then press VO space on the download link. 
3. On the following page there will be a download image that will show up as a 
JPG I believe. Navigate to that image and press VO shiftM  as in Mary. You will 
come up with the context menu and download linked file is one of the choices. I 
hope that helps, if not, let me know and I will add it to my dropbox. Are you 
the man that had that survey about a Mac  tutorial? I wanted to answer it, but 
the messages in my inbox somehow got deleted. If you could send it again, I'd 
be very grateful. Thanks again and have a great day.

Allison
n Jun 5, 2010, at 2:00 AM, Alfredo wrote:

> I went to the link and I clicked on download to download the podcast,
> but it says the link does not work, that it might be broken, do you
> know why?
> Thanks,
> Alfredo
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Re: [bcab] End of Freedom?

[Ryan Mann]

It is unfortunate that they will lose their jobs.  However, it's probably 
better that they are not working for a greety company.  One time I messed up my 
Jaws authorization floppy.  I had to pay $20 for a replacement floppy.  Yes, 
$20 for a floppy disk.  This was after my parents paid about $1000 out of 
pocket for the software.  I am glad that since I use Mac OS for my home 
computers, I don't have to worry about authorization keys.  Therefore, it's no 
big deal if Freedom Science Fiction goes out of business.  No, that wasn't a 
typo.

On Jun 5, 2010, at 2:03 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

> I feel sorry for the people who will loose their jobs.
> On Jun 5, 2010, at 12:22 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:
> 
>> I certainly agree. Yay, yay, no more overpriced, unfair JAWS.
>> Courtney
>> 
>> On 05/06/2010, at 1:19 in the Afternoon, Olivia Norman wrote:
>> 
>>> YAY! YAY! YAY! Goodbye Jaws! :) :) :) :)
>>> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs
>>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>>> 
 Off topic, but I feel everyone will be interested especially those people 
 who run Fusion on their Macs.
 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
> From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" 
> Date: June 5, 2010 9:36:33 AM GMT+01:00
> To: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
> Subject: Fw: [bcab] End of Freedom?
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Colin r. Howard" 
> To: ; ; 
> ; ; 
> 
> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:30 AM
> Subject: [bcab] End of Freedom?
> 
> 
>> Greetings,
>> 
>> I am posting the main text from a thread just seen on the Blind Audio 
>> List
>> which I am surprised not to have seen on the BCAB or AccessUK groups.
>> 
>> Ought we to give much credence to this?
>> 
>> I, for one, would welcome any comments from Sight and Sound.
>> 
>> From: "Otto Zamora" 
>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 05:44:14 -0400
>> 
>> Morning,
>> 
>> In an advocate meeting yesterday, the subject came up reference Freedom
>> Scientific, the company that among other things sports JFw.
>> Because the company is in the state of Florida, it came up on  a flag by 
>> an
>> analyst.
>> Seems this company is having bad money troubles, not surprising given the
>> economy, but talk is that they are now looking to sell off some of their
>> division, mainly their JFW area.
>> I am not sure who if anyone will buy this division, considering that 
>> there
>> is an entity now selling a fully integrated package for only $700.
>> Besides a comprehensive screen reader, if the user chooses to get the
>> package, there is a browser, along with a customed and fully accessible 
>> web
>> sites, word processing, and E mail.
>> all of this can apparently be accessed either on line, or as individual
>> program.
>> ad to that, the entertainment mogill, and you have a powerful tool indeed
>> for the kind of money they are asking for.
>> Another side of the equation is the apple company, now selling computers
>> already with speech on board right out of the box and off the shelf.
>> Put these two aspects together, and you have a deadly combo that might 
>> very
>> well result in a abrupt end to the JFW program.
>> Considering the way that technology is growing, older versions of JFW, 
>> will
>> only work for a short while until the programs controlling the OS, 
>> begins to
>> outgrow the application.
>> In seeing this package, one of the things which was pointed out to me, 
>> was
>> the learning curve, which for the new package being sold by Mr.. Mike 
>> Calvo,
>> is very short.
>> The user has the option to learn as little or as much as they want 
>> without
>> real loss. From: "Alison Trelfa" 
>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:36:47 +0100
>> 
>> Hello, Otto,
>> 
>> I wonder whether many jaws users would move to another speech program as 
>> yet
>> as many of the packages that are not standard probably wouldn't be 
>> supported
>> by the out of the box speech. I run Sonar and Sibelius 5.25, both of 
>> which
>> are using scripts that have been written by folk who specialise not only 
>> in
>> Jaws, but only in the two programs. I suppose those people who only need
>> computers for basic commands may well get away with speech such as you
>> describe, but I don't think that Jaws would just be dismissed out of hand
>> because Freedom is going. I think Jaws has changed hands once before if 
>> I'm
>> not mistaken? Correct me if I'm wrong there.
>> 
>> I would be very sorry to see Jaws go under, but I'm not worried yet. 
>> There
>> is a huge following for Jaws and I believe that someone would take it 
>> over.
>> 
>> From: "Otto Zamora" 
>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 10:49:36 -0400
>

VR streams on a mac?

[Olivia Norman]

Hi Everyone,
I'm in training at GDB in San Rafael, CA.  They offer us a great deal on 
streams, so I've decided to take the leap and buy one at the discounted price.  
How will the stream and mac interact? Is there anything special I need to know 
before I buy one?
Thanks, Olivia
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Re: VR streams on a mac?

[May McDonald]

Nope, nothing special at all. I use the stream with no problems with my Mac.
On 2010-06-05, at 1:08 PM, Olivia Norman wrote:

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> I'm in training at GDB in San Rafael, CA.  They offer us a great deal on 
> streams, so I've decided to take the leap and buy one at the discounted 
> price.  How will the stream and mac interact? Is there anything special I 
> need to know before I buy one?
> Thanks, Olivia
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Re: VR streams on a mac?

[louie]

You should use a card reader to transfer files to the SD card, it is  
much faster than using the VR stream.

There is no stream companem software for the Mac.

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I'm in training at GDB in San Rafael, CA.  They offer us a great  
deal on streams, so I've decided to take the leap and buy one at the  
discounted price.  How will the stream and mac interact? Is there  
anything special I need to know before I buy one?

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Re: solona

[Alfredo]

I use it on windows wihtout the application since I believe that
installing uneeded programs on your computer, is well a waste of time
and you never know when a program will start acting up when you try to
uninstall it.  I just went tot he windows instructions, read them,
followed them, and thats how I get my catchas solved.  I would suggest
that you do the same, this way you do not have to use the command
line.  The down side to this method would be that you do not know if
you have actually pasted the picture into your paint program or
similar for the mac, but trust me, if you pressed the keys, the
computer did it.  I will write a tutorial on this, up it will come in
about a month or so.
Alfredo

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Re: [bcab] End of Freedom?

[Allison Manzino]

Wow,

That is just amazing. I thought Freedom would have gone under a long time ago 
given their high prices and lack of tech support at least in my opinion. I 
think that people are tired of paying $1500 for  a screen reader. I use 
Window-Eyes that is currently being paid off via a payment plan. But Jaws kept 
crashing on me after version 6. I hope they will get someone to take the 
project over, since I know that windows users outnumber Mac. If I remember 
correctly, and this was way back in the late nineties I believe, JFW used to be 
owned by Henter Joyce. They also own Blazie I think. I think this might finally 
level the playing field for all of us. I don't have anything against Freedom, I 
just want technology to be accessible and affordable for everyone.

Allison

On Jun 5, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

> Well, it strikes me as being at the rumor and discussion level as of yet, but 
> I wouldn't be surprised to see FS move in that direction. Personally, I won't 
> be getting any more JAWS upgrades, and I'm perfectly happy with the Mac and 
> Alex. :)
> 
> Teresa
> On Jun 5, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> Off topic, but I feel everyone will be interested especially those people 
>> who run Fusion on their Macs.
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" 
>>> Date: June 5, 2010 9:36:33 AM GMT+01:00
>>> To: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
>>> Subject: Fw: [bcab] End of Freedom?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Colin r. Howard" 
>>> To: ; ; 
>>> ; ; 
>>> 
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:30 AM
>>> Subject: [bcab] End of Freedom?
>>> 
>>> 
 Greetings,
 
 I am posting the main text from a thread just seen on the Blind Audio List
 which I am surprised not to have seen on the BCAB or AccessUK groups.
 
 Ought we to give much credence to this?
 
 I, for one, would welcome any comments from Sight and Sound.
 
 From: "Otto Zamora" 
 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 05:44:14 -0400
 
 Morning,
 
 In an advocate meeting yesterday, the subject came up reference Freedom
 Scientific, the company that among other things sports JFw.
 Because the company is in the state of Florida, it came up on  a flag by an
 analyst.
 Seems this company is having bad money troubles, not surprising given the
 economy, but talk is that they are now looking to sell off some of their
 division, mainly their JFW area.
 I am not sure who if anyone will buy this division, considering that there
 is an entity now selling a fully integrated package for only $700.
 Besides a comprehensive screen reader, if the user chooses to get the
 package, there is a browser, along with a customed and fully accessible web
 sites, word processing, and E mail.
 all of this can apparently be accessed either on line, or as individual
 program.
 ad to that, the entertainment mogill, and you have a powerful tool indeed
 for the kind of money they are asking for.
 Another side of the equation is the apple company, now selling computers
 already with speech on board right out of the box and off the shelf.
 Put these two aspects together, and you have a deadly combo that might very
 well result in a abrupt end to the JFW program.
 Considering the way that technology is growing, older versions of JFW, will
 only work for a short while until the programs controlling the OS, begins 
 to
 outgrow the application.
 In seeing this package, one of the things which was pointed out to me, was
 the learning curve, which for the new package being sold by Mr.. Mike 
 Calvo,
 is very short.
 The user has the option to learn as little or as much as they want without
 real loss. From: "Alison Trelfa" 
 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:36:47 +0100
 
 Hello, Otto,
 
 I wonder whether many jaws users would move to another speech program as 
 yet
 as many of the packages that are not standard probably wouldn't be 
 supported
 by the out of the box speech. I run Sonar and Sibelius 5.25, both of which
 are using scripts that have been written by folk who specialise not only in
 Jaws, but only in the two programs. I suppose those people who only need
 computers for basic commands may well get away with speech such as you
 describe, but I don't think that Jaws would just be dismissed out of hand
 because Freedom is going. I think Jaws has changed hands once before if I'm
 not mistaken? Correct me if I'm wrong there.
 
 I would be very sorry to see Jaws go under, but I'm not worried yet. There
 is a huge following for Jaws and I believe that someone would take it over.
 
 From: "Otto Zamora" 
 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 10:49:36 -0400
 
 hi,
 
 You are correct, I am just stating that from what we were told, they are
 having a hard time finding someone who will take on the project

Re: VR streams on a mac?

[Kevin Mattingly]

The stream works great. The only thing you'll need is the new softpack add on 
to listen to books from Audible or music from ITunes. The new additional 
software interacts with ITunes now and that makes everything accessible.

Good luck and enjoy your stream...

Kev
On Jun 5, 2010, at 4:08 PM, Olivia Norman wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
> I'm in training at GDB in San Rafael, CA.  They offer us a great deal on 
> streams, so I've decided to take the leap and buy one at the discounted 
> price.  How will the stream and mac interact? Is there anything special I 
> need to know before I buy one?
> Thanks, Olivia
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Re: solona

[Sarah Alawami]

1. turn your screen brightness to 100 percent with fn. f2 or f2 depending on 
how your keyboard is set up

2. go to the website where the offending captcha is and hit cmd shift number 
row 3.

3. by default your screenshot is saved to your desktop so go back to solona, 
hit vo space on submit captcha, choose the file and hit the submit button.

4. Now copy and paste the results in to the field where it is supposed to be on 
the offending site.

S
On Jun 5, 2010, at 1:21 PM, Alfredo wrote:

> I use it on windows without the application since I believe that
> installing uneeded programs on your computer, is well a waste of time
> and you never know when a program will start acting up when you try to
> uninstall it.  I just went tot he windows instructions, read them,
> followed them, and thats how I get my catchas solved.  I would suggest
> that you do the same, this way you do not have to use the command
> line.  The down side to this method would be that you do not know if
> you have actually pasted the picture into your paint program or
> similar for the mac, but trust me, if you pressed the keys, the
> computer did it.  I will write a tutorial on this, up it will come in
> about a month or so.
> Alfredo
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Re: [bcab] End of Freedom?

[Karen Lewellen]

I will reserve comment on Freedom Scientific as a company.  While I too 
feel for those who will lose their jobs, I  am more concerned for those who 
are emotionally  attached to jfw.  Those who feel they have no choice but 
to use windows. Those who are told that everyone uses jfw, and that you 
are not a good blind person if you are not using it. those who fear going 
through the training process again, if they ever got real training in the 
first place.
Frankly I hope no one takes over the program. One of the blights on access 
is the assumption that say banks and other commercial companies make that 
if a site works with jfw, then it is fully accessible for all computer 
users experiencing vision loss. That came from the strangle hold jfw had on 
the state and government market.
so removing the program all together opens the door indeed for a real 
accessible level playing field.  something rooted in w3c suggestions, 
not on specific products.  The adaptive market becomes one with many 
consumers making computer choices based on their individual tastes and 
desires, not a one size fits all lump of people.
But someone is going to have to help those lost sheep know that they now 
have more choices.

Karen

On Sat, 5 Jun 2010, Allison Manzino wrote:


Wow,

That is just amazing. I thought Freedom would have gone under a long time ago 
given their high prices and lack of tech support at least in my opinion. I 
think that people are tired of paying $1500 for  a screen reader. I use 
Window-Eyes that is currently being paid off via a payment plan. But Jaws kept 
crashing on me after version 6. I hope they will get someone to take the 
project over, since I know that windows users outnumber Mac. If I remember 
correctly, and this was way back in the late nineties I believe, JFW used to be 
owned by Henter Joyce. They also own Blazie I think. I think this might finally 
level the playing field for all of us. I don't have anything against Freedom, I 
just want technology to be accessible and affordable for everyone.

Allison

On Jun 5, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:


Well, it strikes me as being at the rumor and discussion level as of yet, but I 
wouldn't be surprised to see FS move in that direction. Personally, I won't be 
getting any more JAWS upgrades, and I'm perfectly happy with the Mac and Alex. 
:)

Teresa
On Jun 5, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:


Off topic, but I feel everyone will be interested especially those people who 
run Fusion on their Macs.

Begin forwarded message:


From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" 
Date: June 5, 2010 9:36:33 AM GMT+01:00
To: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
Subject: Fw: [bcab] End of Freedom?


- Original Message - From: "Colin r. Howard" 
To: ; ; ; 
; 
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:30 AM
Subject: [bcab] End of Freedom?



Greetings,

I am posting the main text from a thread just seen on the Blind Audio List
which I am surprised not to have seen on the BCAB or AccessUK groups.

Ought we to give much credence to this?

I, for one, would welcome any comments from Sight and Sound.

From: "Otto Zamora" 
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 05:44:14 -0400

Morning,

In an advocate meeting yesterday, the subject came up reference Freedom
Scientific, the company that among other things sports JFw.
Because the company is in the state of Florida, it came up on  a flag by an
analyst.
Seems this company is having bad money troubles, not surprising given the
economy, but talk is that they are now looking to sell off some of their
division, mainly their JFW area.
I am not sure who if anyone will buy this division, considering that there
is an entity now selling a fully integrated package for only $700.
Besides a comprehensive screen reader, if the user chooses to get the
package, there is a browser, along with a customed and fully accessible web
sites, word processing, and E mail.
all of this can apparently be accessed either on line, or as individual
program.
ad to that, the entertainment mogill, and you have a powerful tool indeed
for the kind of money they are asking for.
Another side of the equation is the apple company, now selling computers
already with speech on board right out of the box and off the shelf.
Put these two aspects together, and you have a deadly combo that might very
well result in a abrupt end to the JFW program.
Considering the way that technology is growing, older versions of JFW, will
only work for a short while until the programs controlling the OS, begins to
outgrow the application.
In seeing this package, one of the things which was pointed out to me, was
the learning curve, which for the new package being sold by Mr.. Mike Calvo,
is very short.
The user has the option to learn as little or as much as they want without
real loss. From: "Alison Trelfa" 
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:36:47 +0100

Hello, Otto,

I wonder whether many jaws users would move to another speech program as yet
as many of the packages that are not standard probably wouldn't be supported
by the o

Re: VR streams on a mac?

[Allison Manzino]

Hi Kev,

I was just curious about something you said in an earlier post. You said the 
stream works with audible. It does? Do I have to pay for the additional 
software to use it? I tried to paste a book Storm Prey by John Sanford 
downloaded from Audible with Itunes on to my stream. The stream does not 
recognize the book. What am I doing wrong? Thank you for any assistance you can 
provide.

Allison

On Jun 5, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:

> The stream works great. The only thing you'll need is the new softpack add on 
> to listen to books from Audible or music from ITunes. The new additional 
> software interacts with ITunes now and that makes everything accessible.
> 
> Good luck and enjoy your stream...
> 
> Kev
> On Jun 5, 2010, at 4:08 PM, Olivia Norman wrote:
> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>> I'm in training at GDB in San Rafael, CA.  They offer us a great deal on 
>> streams, so I've decided to take the leap and buy one at the discounted 
>> price.  How will the stream and mac interact? Is there anything special I 
>> need to know before I buy one?
>> Thanks, Olivia
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Re: VR streams on a mac?

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
Streams work great on a Mac. You can hook it up via USB, or use the SD card 
reader.

On Jun 5, 2010, at 3:08 PM, Olivia Norman wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
> I'm in training at GDB in San Rafael, CA.  They offer us a great deal on 
> streams, so I've decided to take the leap and buy one at the discounted 
> price.  How will the stream and mac interact? Is there anything special I 
> need to know before I buy one?
> Thanks, Olivia
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Re: VR streams on a mac?

[Olivia Norman]

Thanks so much! Does the new pack come as a zip file and how do I get it from 
my computer to a stream? 
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On Jun 5, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:

> The stream works great. The only thing you'll need is the new softpack add on 
> to listen to books from Audible or music from ITunes. The new additional 
> software interacts with ITunes now and that makes everything accessible.
> 
> Good luck and enjoy your stream...
> 
> Kev
> On Jun 5, 2010, at 4:08 PM, Olivia Norman wrote:
> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>> I'm in training at GDB in San Rafael, CA.  They offer us a great deal on 
>> streams, so I've decided to take the leap and buy one at the discounted 
>> price.  How will the stream and mac interact? Is there anything special I 
>> need to know before I buy one?
>> Thanks, Olivia
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Re: [bcab] End of Freedom?

[Olivia Norman]

I agree with you! I've heard that "this works on JFW, so it must be accessible" 
so many times! I'll be excited to see them loose some of their strangle hold on 
the market.
Olivia
"Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs

On Jun 5, 2010, at 1:47 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> I will reserve comment on Freedom Scientific as a company.  While I too feel 
> for those who will lose their jobs, I  am more concerned for those who are 
> emotionally  attached to jfw.  Those who feel they have no choice but to use 
> windows. Those who are told that everyone uses jfw, and that you are not a 
> good blind person if you are not using it. those who fear going through the 
> training process again, if they ever got real training in the first place.
> Frankly I hope no one takes over the program. One of the blights on access is 
> the assumption that say banks and other commercial companies make that if a 
> site works with jfw, then it is fully accessible for all computer users 
> experiencing vision loss. That came from the strangle hold jfw had on the 
> state and government market.
> so removing the program all together opens the door indeed for a real 
> accessible level playing field.  something rooted in w3c suggestions, not on 
> specific products.  The adaptive market becomes one with many consumers 
> making computer choices based on their individual tastes and desires, not a 
> one size fits all lump of people.
> But someone is going to have to help those lost sheep know that they now have 
> more choices.
> Karen
> 
> On Sat, 5 Jun 2010, Allison Manzino wrote:
> 
>> Wow,
>> 
>> That is just amazing. I thought Freedom would have gone under a long time 
>> ago given their high prices and lack of tech support at least in my opinion. 
>> I think that people are tired of paying $1500 for  a screen reader. I use 
>> Window-Eyes that is currently being paid off via a payment plan. But Jaws 
>> kept crashing on me after version 6. I hope they will get someone to take 
>> the project over, since I know that windows users outnumber Mac. If I 
>> remember correctly, and this was way back in the late nineties I believe, 
>> JFW used to be owned by Henter Joyce. They also own Blazie I think. I think 
>> this might finally level the playing field for all of us. I don't have 
>> anything against Freedom, I just want technology to be accessible and 
>> affordable for everyone.
>> 
>> Allison
>> 
>> On Jun 5, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, it strikes me as being at the rumor and discussion level as of yet, 
>>> but I wouldn't be surprised to see FS move in that direction. Personally, I 
>>> won't be getting any more JAWS upgrades, and I'm perfectly happy with the 
>>> Mac and Alex. :)
>>> 
>>> Teresa
>>> On Jun 5, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>>> 
 Off topic, but I feel everyone will be interested especially those people 
 who run Fusion on their Macs.
 
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> From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" 
> Date: June 5, 2010 9:36:33 AM GMT+01:00
> To: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
> Subject: Fw: [bcab] End of Freedom?
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Colin r. Howard" 
> To: ; ; 
> ; ; 
> 
> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:30 AM
> Subject: [bcab] End of Freedom?
> 
> 
>> Greetings,
>> 
>> I am posting the main text from a thread just seen on the Blind Audio 
>> List
>> which I am surprised not to have seen on the BCAB or AccessUK groups.
>> 
>> Ought we to give much credence to this?
>> 
>> I, for one, would welcome any comments from Sight and Sound.
>> 
>> From: "Otto Zamora" 
>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 05:44:14 -0400
>> 
>> Morning,
>> 
>> In an advocate meeting yesterday, the subject came up reference Freedom
>> Scientific, the company that among other things sports JFw.
>> Because the company is in the state of Florida, it came up on  a flag by 
>> an
>> analyst.
>> Seems this company is having bad money troubles, not surprising given the
>> economy, but talk is that they are now looking to sell off some of their
>> division, mainly their JFW area.
>> I am not sure who if anyone will buy this division, considering that 
>> there
>> is an entity now selling a fully integrated package for only $700.
>> Besides a comprehensive screen reader, if the user chooses to get the
>> package, there is a browser, along with a customed and fully accessible 
>> web
>> sites, word processing, and E mail.
>> all of this can apparently be accessed either on line, or as individual
>> program.
>> ad to that, the entertainment mogill, and you have a powerful tool indeed
>> for the kind of money they are asking for.
>> Another side of the equation is the apple company, now selling computers
>> already with speech on board right out of the box and off the shelf.

Re: VR streams on a mac?

[Kevin Mattingly]

They just came out with a new update to the VRStream software and are offering 
an additional softpack for $49.00 that will work with ITunes and your Mac.

You can find it at http://www.humanware.com

Under shopping and the VR Stream softpack.


I haven't purchased it yet but figure at some point I will.


Kev
On Jun 5, 2010, at 4:50 PM, Allison Manzino wrote:

> Hi Kev,
> 
> I was just curious about something you said in an earlier post. You said the 
> stream works with audible. It does? Do I have to pay for the additional 
> software to use it? I tried to paste a book Storm Prey by John Sanford 
> downloaded from Audible with Itunes on to my stream. The stream does not 
> recognize the book. What am I doing wrong? Thank you for any assistance you 
> can provide.
> 
> Allison
> 
> On Jun 5, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
> 
>> The stream works great. The only thing you'll need is the new softpack add 
>> on to listen to books from Audible or music from ITunes. The new additional 
>> software interacts with ITunes now and that makes everything accessible.
>> 
>> Good luck and enjoy your stream...
>> 
>> Kev
>> On Jun 5, 2010, at 4:08 PM, Olivia Norman wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> I'm in training at GDB in San Rafael, CA.  They offer us a great deal on 
>>> streams, so I've decided to take the leap and buy one at the discounted 
>>> price.  How will the stream and mac interact? Is there anything special I 
>>> need to know before I buy one?
>>> Thanks, Olivia
>>> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs
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Re: VR streams on a mac?

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
You do not have to pay for extra software to use Audible format 4. You need to 
activate the Stream using Audible Manager. You can then copy and paste the 
Audible files to the Stream.
On Jun 5, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Allison Manzino wrote:

> Hi Kev,
> 
> I was just curious about something you said in an earlier post. You said the 
> stream works with audible. It does? Do I have to pay for the additional 
> software to use it? I tried to paste a book Storm Prey by John Sanford 
> downloaded from Audible with Itunes on to my stream. The stream does not 
> recognize the book. What am I doing wrong? Thank you for any assistance you 
> can provide.
> 
> Allison
> 
> On Jun 5, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
> 
>> The stream works great. The only thing you'll need is the new softpack add 
>> on to listen to books from Audible or music from ITunes. The new additional 
>> software interacts with ITunes now and that makes everything accessible.
>> 
>> Good luck and enjoy your stream...
>> 
>> Kev
>> On Jun 5, 2010, at 4:08 PM, Olivia Norman wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> I'm in training at GDB in San Rafael, CA.  They offer us a great deal on 
>>> streams, so I've decided to take the leap and buy one at the discounted 
>>> price.  How will the stream and mac interact? Is there anything special I 
>>> need to know before I buy one?
>>> Thanks, Olivia
>>> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs
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Re: solona

[Olivia Norman]

I don't understand how to take a screen shot at all.  where do I focus my 
curser?  I'm a bit confused by the process as well.  On a macbook keyboard, how 
do I adjust the screen brightness?
Olivia
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On Jun 5, 2010, at 1:46 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> 1. turn your screen brightness to 100 percent with fn. f2 or f2 depending on 
> how your keyboard is set up
> 
> 2. go to the website where the offending captcha is and hit cmd shift number 
> row 3.
> 
> 3. by default your screenshot is saved to your desktop so go back to solona, 
> hit vo space on submit captcha, choose the file and hit the submit button.
> 
> 4. Now copy and paste the results in to the field where it is supposed to be 
> on the offending site.
> 
> S
> On Jun 5, 2010, at 1:21 PM, Alfredo wrote:
> 
>> I use it on windows without the application since I believe that
>> installing uneeded programs on your computer, is well a waste of time
>> and you never know when a program will start acting up when you try to
>> uninstall it.  I just went tot he windows instructions, read them,
>> followed them, and thats how I get my catchas solved.  I would suggest
>> that you do the same, this way you do not have to use the command
>> line.  The down side to this method would be that you do not know if
>> you have actually pasted the picture into your paint program or
>> similar for the mac, but trust me, if you pressed the keys, the
>> computer did it.  I will write a tutorial on this, up it will come in
>> about a month or so.
>> Alfredo
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Re: VR streams on a mac?

[Kevin Mattingly]

Let me see about getting it in the next day or so. Once I do, I'll post back to 
let you know.
Kev
On Jun 5, 2010, at 4:52 PM, Olivia Norman wrote:

> Thanks so much! Does the new pack come as a zip file and how do I get it from 
> my computer to a stream? 
> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs
> 
> On Jun 5, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
> 
>> The stream works great. The only thing you'll need is the new softpack add 
>> on to listen to books from Audible or music from ITunes. The new additional 
>> software interacts with ITunes now and that makes everything accessible.
>> 
>> Good luck and enjoy your stream...
>> 
>> Kev
>> On Jun 5, 2010, at 4:08 PM, Olivia Norman wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> I'm in training at GDB in San Rafael, CA.  They offer us a great deal on 
>>> streams, so I've decided to take the leap and buy one at the discounted 
>>> price.  How will the stream and mac interact? Is there anything special I 
>>> need to know before I buy one?
>>> Thanks, Olivia
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Re: VR streams on a mac?

[Kevin Mattingly]

Correct but to use it with ITunes and your Mac you'll need to purchase that 
software.

Kev
On Jun 5, 2010, at 4:55 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

> Hi:
> You do not have to pay for extra software to use Audible format 4. You need 
> to activate the Stream using Audible Manager. You can then copy and paste the 
> Audible files to the Stream.
> On Jun 5, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Allison Manzino wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kev,
>> 
>> I was just curious about something you said in an earlier post. You said the 
>> stream works with audible. It does? Do I have to pay for the additional 
>> software to use it? I tried to paste a book Storm Prey by John Sanford 
>> downloaded from Audible with Itunes on to my stream. The stream does not 
>> recognize the book. What am I doing wrong? Thank you for any assistance you 
>> can provide.
>> 
>> Allison
>> 
>> On Jun 5, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
>> 
>>> The stream works great. The only thing you'll need is the new softpack add 
>>> on to listen to books from Audible or music from ITunes. The new additional 
>>> software interacts with ITunes now and that makes everything accessible.
>>> 
>>> Good luck and enjoy your stream...
>>> 
>>> Kev
>>> On Jun 5, 2010, at 4:08 PM, Olivia Norman wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Everyone,
 I'm in training at GDB in San Rafael, CA.  They offer us a great deal on 
 streams, so I've decided to take the leap and buy one at the discounted 
 price.  How will the stream and mac interact? Is there anything special I 
 need to know before I buy one?
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Re: [bcab] End of Freedom?

[Karen Lewellen]

indeed, well meaning but poorly educated people...usually fed that line by 
someone who benefited from promoting jfw.

Karen

On Sat, 5 Jun 2010, Olivia Norman wrote:


I agree with you! I've heard that "this works on JFW, so it must be accessible" 
so many times! I'll be excited to see them loose some of their strangle hold on the 
market.
Olivia
"Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs

On Jun 5, 2010, at 1:47 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:


I will reserve comment on Freedom Scientific as a company.  While I too feel 
for those who will lose their jobs, I  am more concerned for those who are 
emotionally  attached to jfw.  Those who feel they have no choice but to use 
windows. Those who are told that everyone uses jfw, and that you are not a good 
blind person if you are not using it. those who fear going through the training 
process again, if they ever got real training in the first place.
Frankly I hope no one takes over the program. One of the blights on access is 
the assumption that say banks and other commercial companies make that if a 
site works with jfw, then it is fully accessible for all computer users 
experiencing vision loss. That came from the strangle hold jfw had on the state 
and government market.
so removing the program all together opens the door indeed for a real 
accessible level playing field.  something rooted in w3c suggestions, not on 
specific products.  The adaptive market becomes one with many consumers making 
computer choices based on their individual tastes and desires, not a one size 
fits all lump of people.
But someone is going to have to help those lost sheep know that they now have 
more choices.
Karen

On Sat, 5 Jun 2010, Allison Manzino wrote:


Wow,

That is just amazing. I thought Freedom would have gone under a long time ago 
given their high prices and lack of tech support at least in my opinion. I 
think that people are tired of paying $1500 for  a screen reader. I use 
Window-Eyes that is currently being paid off via a payment plan. But Jaws kept 
crashing on me after version 6. I hope they will get someone to take the 
project over, since I know that windows users outnumber Mac. If I remember 
correctly, and this was way back in the late nineties I believe, JFW used to be 
owned by Henter Joyce. They also own Blazie I think. I think this might finally 
level the playing field for all of us. I don't have anything against Freedom, I 
just want technology to be accessible and affordable for everyone.

Allison

On Jun 5, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:


Well, it strikes me as being at the rumor and discussion level as of yet, but I 
wouldn't be surprised to see FS move in that direction. Personally, I won't be 
getting any more JAWS upgrades, and I'm perfectly happy with the Mac and Alex. 
:)

Teresa
On Jun 5, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:


Off topic, but I feel everyone will be interested especially those people who 
run Fusion on their Macs.

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From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" 
Date: June 5, 2010 9:36:33 AM GMT+01:00
To: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
Subject: Fw: [bcab] End of Freedom?


- Original Message - From: "Colin r. Howard" 
To: ; ; ; 
; 
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:30 AM
Subject: [bcab] End of Freedom?



Greetings,

I am posting the main text from a thread just seen on the Blind Audio List
which I am surprised not to have seen on the BCAB or AccessUK groups.

Ought we to give much credence to this?

I, for one, would welcome any comments from Sight and Sound.

From: "Otto Zamora" 
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 05:44:14 -0400

Morning,

In an advocate meeting yesterday, the subject came up reference Freedom
Scientific, the company that among other things sports JFw.
Because the company is in the state of Florida, it came up on  a flag by an
analyst.
Seems this company is having bad money troubles, not surprising given the
economy, but talk is that they are now looking to sell off some of their
division, mainly their JFW area.
I am not sure who if anyone will buy this division, considering that there
is an entity now selling a fully integrated package for only $700.
Besides a comprehensive screen reader, if the user chooses to get the
package, there is a browser, along with a customed and fully accessible web
sites, word processing, and E mail.
all of this can apparently be accessed either on line, or as individual
program.
ad to that, the entertainment mogill, and you have a powerful tool indeed
for the kind of money they are asking for.
Another side of the equation is the apple company, now selling computers
already with speech on board right out of the box and off the shelf.
Put these two aspects together, and you have a deadly combo that might very
well result in a abrupt end to the JFW program.
Considering the way that technology is growing, older versions of JFW, will
only work for a short while until the programs controlling the OS, begins to
outgrow the application.
In seeing this pack

Re: OT--End of Freedom?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I can tell you something, I request for resets of licence, no one ever gets 
back to me, I have to call the US and have said on one occasion that if they do 
not let me have the reset of my licence, I will not upgrade anymore.
On Jun 5, 2010, at 7:26 PM, Ana G wrote:

> Jaws is a good product, but it's been overpriced for years, and Freedom 
> Scientific hasn't been very responsive to its customer base. We all benefit 
> from screen reader competition. Let's hope FS rethinks it's mission and 
> approach rather than selling off its best product. Open Book, the latest 
> version, is a real disappointment, not at all worth the thousand dollar price 
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Re: VR streams on a mac?

[Ana G]

I skimmed the release notes for the VR Stream soft pack. My understanding is 
that it enables users to play unprotected iTunes and EPUB files. I don't 
think I read that it works with iTunes directly. 


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Re: VR streams on a mac?

[Kevin Mattingly]

Well,

I called in the other day and that was what I was told... If the information 
isn't correct, I can only let it roll down hill to the Humanware Support staff.

Kev
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> I skimmed the release notes for the VR Stream soft pack. My understanding is 
> that it enables users to play unprotected iTunes and EPUB files. I don't 
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Re: OT--End of Freedom?

[Allison Manzino]

Hi,

I'm sorry to hear about your troubles with Freedom. I had a similar 
 problem with my BrailleLite. I sent it in for repair only to have Freedom tell 
me that the New York State Commission for the Blind had not paid them for the 
repair yet, so they would not release it to me. I gave them my credit card and 
$450 later, I had myself a BrailleLite. You might be wondering what the repair 
was, changing the battery. That's all they did, needless to say I thought it 
was a ripoff, and the Commission thought I had other repairs made to it since 
the price was so high.

Allison
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> I can tell you something, I request for resets of licence, no one ever gets 
> back to me, I have to call the US and have said on one occasion that if they 
> do not let me have the reset of my licence, I will not upgrade anymore.
> On Jun 5, 2010, at 7:26 PM, Ana G wrote:
> 
>> Jaws is a good product, but it's been overpriced for years, and Freedom 
>> Scientific hasn't been very responsive to its customer base. We all benefit 
>> from screen reader competition. Let's hope FS rethinks it's mission and 
>> approach rather than selling off its best product. Open Book, the latest 
>> version, is a real disappointment, not at all worth the thousand dollar 
>> price tag. 
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Re: solona

[Orin]

Yeah. I believe that us Mac users need a GUI app, Qwitter is the best example 
for solving captchas that's also the easiest on windows as well. We need 
something like that.


On Jun 5, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Alfredo wrote:

> I use it on windows without the application since I believe that
> installing uneeded programs on your computer, is well a waste of time
> and you never know when a program will start acting up when you try to
> uninstall it.  I just went tot he windows instructions, read them,
> followed them, and thats how I get my captchas solved.  I would suggest
> that you do the same, this way you do not have to use the command
> line.  The down side to this method would be that you do not know if
> you have actually pasted the picture into your paint program or
> similar for the mac, but trust me, if you pressed the keys, the
> computer did it.  I will write a tutorial on this, up it will come in
> about a month or so.
> Alfredo
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Re: Tech Doctor Podcast 4 available

[Dyer matthew on pc]

Robert,

Is this the second part in the review?  I have the first one, but wasn't 
sure if this is what you were refering too.


Matthew




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In podcast 4, the Tech Doctors continue their series where they are 
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Re: VR streams on a mac?

[Courtney Curran]

Hi,
I use my Stream without any problems on my Mack also.
Courtney
On 05/06/2010, at 4:10 in the Afternoon, May McDonald wrote:

> Nope, nothing special at all. I use the stream with no problems with my Mac.
> On 2010-06-05, at 1:08 PM, Olivia Norman wrote:
> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>> I'm in training at GDB in San Rafael, CA.  They offer us a great deal on 
>> streams, so I've decided to take the leap and buy one at the discounted 
>> price.  How will the stream and mac interact? Is there anything special I 
>> need to know before I buy one?
>> Thanks, Olivia
>> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs
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Re: VR streams on a mac?

[Courtney Curran]

Hi, 
I bought the soft pack, but when I paste Itunes content, it gives me errors? 
Where do I put the Itunes content, I tried music and other books? It's music, 
so it's probably not protected.
Courtney
On 05/06/2010, at 4:54 in the Afternoon, Kevin Mattingly wrote:

> They just came out with a new update to the VRStream software and are 
> offering an additional softpack for $49.00 that will work with ITunes and 
> your Mac.
> 
> You can find it at http://www.humanware.com
> 
> Under shopping and the VR Stream softpack.
> 
> 
> I haven't purchased it yet but figure at some point I will.
> 
> 
> Kev
> On Jun 5, 2010, at 4:50 PM, Allison Manzino wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kev,
>> 
>> I was just curious about something you said in an earlier post. You said the 
>> stream works with audible. It does? Do I have to pay for the additional 
>> software to use it? I tried to paste a book Storm Prey by John Sanford 
>> downloaded from Audible with Itunes on to my stream. The stream does not 
>> recognize the book. What am I doing wrong? Thank you for any assistance you 
>> can provide.
>> 
>> Allison
>> 
>> On Jun 5, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
>> 
>>> The stream works great. The only thing you'll need is the new softpack add 
>>> on to listen to books from Audible or music from ITunes. The new additional 
>>> software interacts with ITunes now and that makes everything accessible.
>>> 
>>> Good luck and enjoy your stream...
>>> 
>>> Kev
>>> On Jun 5, 2010, at 4:08 PM, Olivia Norman wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Everyone,
 I'm in training at GDB in San Rafael, CA.  They offer us a great deal on 
 streams, so I've decided to take the leap and buy one at the discounted 
 price.  How will the stream and mac interact? Is there anything special I 
 need to know before I buy one?
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Re: VR streams on a mac?

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Hi,
I use my Stream without any problems on my Mack also.
Courtney
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> Nope, nothing special at all. I use the stream with no problems with my Mac.
> On 2010-06-05, at 1:08 PM, Olivia Norman wrote:
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>> streams, so I've decided to take the leap and buy one at the discounted 
>> price.  How will the stream and mac interact? Is there anything special I 
>> need to know before I buy one?
>> Thanks, Olivia
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Re: solona

[Sarah Alawami]

Hello. Here i s a link of a file I just did. it will be live in a few minutes.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1672188/how%20to%20take%20a%20screen%20shot%20and%20a%20bit%20more.mp3
On Jun 5, 2010, at 1:56 PM, Olivia Norman wrote:

> I don't understand how to take a screen shot at all.  where do I focus my 
> curser?  I'm a bit confused by the process as well.  On a macbook keyboard, 
> how do I adjust the screen brightness?
> Olivia
> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs
> 
> On Jun 5, 2010, at 1:46 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> 1. turn your screen brightness to 100 percent with fn. f2 or f2 depending on 
>> how your keyboard is set up
>> 
>> 2. go to the website where the offending captcha is and hit cmd shift number 
>> row 3.
>> 
>> 3. by default your screenshot is saved to your desktop so go back to solona, 
>> hit vo space on submit captcha, choose the file and hit the submit button.
>> 
>> 4. Now copy and paste the results in to the field where it is supposed to be 
>> on the offending site.
>> 
>> S
>> On Jun 5, 2010, at 1:21 PM, Alfredo wrote:
>> 
>>> I use it on windows without the application since I believe that
>>> installing uneeded programs on your computer, is well a waste of time
>>> and you never know when a program will start acting up when you try to
>>> uninstall it.  I just went tot he windows instructions, read them,
>>> followed them, and thats how I get my catchas solved.  I would suggest
>>> that you do the same, this way you do not have to use the command
>>> line.  The down side to this method would be that you do not know if
>>> you have actually pasted the picture into your paint program or
>>> similar for the mac, but trust me, if you pressed the keys, the
>>> computer did it.  I will write a tutorial on this, up it will come in
>>> about a month or so.
>>> Alfredo
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Re: OT--End of Freedom?

[Karen Lewellen]

your situation demonstrates something important.
You and users like you have rarely if ever been who freedom scientific 
considered their market.
Instead its the agencies, largely staffed with people who Neither 
understand fully or use at all the products that they feel is their 
market.  Therefore they can charge the moon, and give green cheese for 
service...and get the money.
They do not think you are worth their time service or consideration, to 
them, you do not buy the stuff directly anyway.

Karen

On Sat, 5 Jun 2010, Allison Manzino wrote:


Hi,

I'm sorry to hear about your troubles with Freedom. I had a similar
problem with my BrailleLite. I sent it in for repair only to have Freedom tell 
me that the New York State Commission for the Blind had not paid them for the 
repair yet, so they would not release it to me. I gave them my credit card and 
$450 later, I had myself a BrailleLite. You might be wondering what the repair 
was, changing the battery. That's all they did, needless to say I thought it 
was a ripoff, and the Commission thought I had other repairs made to it since 
the price was so high.

Allison
On Jun 5, 2010, at 5:06 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:


I can tell you something, I request for resets of licence, no one ever gets 
back to me, I have to call the US and have said on one occasion that if they do 
not let me have the reset of my licence, I will not upgrade anymore.
On Jun 5, 2010, at 7:26 PM, Ana G wrote:


Jaws is a good product, but it's been overpriced for years, and Freedom 
Scientific hasn't been very responsive to its customer base. We all benefit 
from screen reader competition. Let's hope FS rethinks it's mission and 
approach rather than selling off its best product. Open Book, the latest 
version, is a real disappointment, not at all worth the thousand dollar price 
tag.
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Re: solona

[Courtney Curran]

Hi,
I know how to take a screenshot, but I don't know what you mean by submit to 
Solona. I know there's a way to do it through the terminal, is that what you're 
talking about?
Courtney
On 05/06/2010, at 5:29 in the Afternoon, Orin wrote:

> Yeah. I believe that us Mac users need a GUI app, Qwitter is the best example 
> for solving captchas that's also the easiest on windows as well. We need 
> something like that.
> 
> 
> On Jun 5, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Alfredo wrote:
> 
>> I use it on windows without the application since I believe that
>> installing uneeded programs on your computer, is well a waste of time
>> and you never know when a program will start acting up when you try to
>> uninstall it.  I just went tot he windows instructions, read them,
>> followed them, and thats how I get my captchas solved.  I would suggest
>> that you do the same, this way you do not have to use the command
>> line.  The down side to this method would be that you do not know if
>> you have actually pasted the picture into your paint program or
>> similar for the mac, but trust me, if you pressed the keys, the
>> computer did it.  I will write a tutorial on this, up it will come in
>> about a month or so.
>> Alfredo
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Re: OT--End of Freedom?

[Kimberly thurman]

Wish I hadn't paid $200 for versions 11, 12, 13.  As a matter of fact, I'll be 
we hear something definitive soon, because version 12 should be, at least, 
being talked about within the next couple of months.  I have a Vista machine 
I'd like to update to 7, but I've heard about so many people having issues with 
7 and Jaws that I haven't even opened the update DVD yet.  I've been trying to 
decide whether to install it on the mac via Fusion or Boot Camp, or upgrade my 
Vista machine.  Guess I'll hang on to it a little longer.  I don't even know if 
I can use an upgrade disk to install a fresh Windows 7 OS.
On Jun 5, 2010, at 2:26 PM, Ana G wrote:

> Jaws is a good product, but it's been overpriced for years, and Freedom 
> Scientific hasn't been very responsive to its customer base. We all benefit 
> from screen reader competition. Let's hope FS rethinks it's mission and 
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Re: solona

[Chantel Cuddemi]

Courtney, there's a submit captia button on Solona. 
On Jun 5, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:

> Hi,
> I know how to take a screenshot, but I don't know what you mean by submit to 
> Solona. I know there's a way to do it through the terminal, is that what 
> you're talking about?
> Courtney
> On 05/06/2010, at 5:29 in the Afternoon, Orin wrote:
> 
>> Yeah. I believe that us Mac users need a GUI app, Qwitter is the best 
>> example for solving captchas that's also the easiest on windows as well. We 
>> need something like that.
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 5, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Alfredo wrote:
>> 
>>> I use it on windows without the application since I believe that
>>> installing uneeded programs on your computer, is well a waste of time
>>> and you never know when a program will start acting up when you try to
>>> uninstall it.  I just went tot he windows instructions, read them,
>>> followed them, and thats how I get my captchas solved.  I would suggest
>>> that you do the same, this way you do not have to use the command
>>> line.  The down side to this method would be that you do not know if
>>> you have actually pasted the picture into your paint program or
>>> similar for the mac, but trust me, if you pressed the keys, the
>>> computer did it.  I will write a tutorial on this, up it will come in
>>> about a month or so.
>>> Alfredo
>>> 
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Re: same-page links

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Teresa,

The way VoiceOver handles same page links has evolved over time, so I just 
tested it using Wikipedia. I have Web navigation set to Groups mode, I don't 
know how this works in DOM mode, I haven't tried it.

Find the link you want, it will say the name of the link followed by the word 
Group. Use the Jump command (VO-J) and you'll be on the heading you need.

Cheers,

Anne


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> Is there a way to jump to a same-page link? I can't seem to use those at 
> present with the spacebar or return keys.
> 
> Thanks,
> Teresa
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Re: solona

[Sarah Alawami]

Nope I'm talking about go back to the webside choose the file and submit using 
the button there.
On Jun 5, 2010, at 3:11 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:

> Hi,
> I know how to take a screenshot, but I don't know what you mean by submit to 
> Solona. I know there's a way to do it through the terminal, is that what 
> you're talking about?
> Courtney
> On 05/06/2010, at 5:29 in the Afternoon, Orin wrote:
> 
>> Yeah. I believe that us Mac users need a GUI app, Qwitter is the best 
>> example for solving captchas that's also the easiest on windows as well. We 
>> need something like that.
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 5, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Alfredo wrote:
>> 
>>> I use it on windows without the application since I believe that
>>> installing uneeded programs on your computer, is well a waste of time
>>> and you never know when a program will start acting up when you try to
>>> uninstall it.  I just went tot he windows instructions, read them,
>>> followed them, and thats how I get my captchas solved.  I would suggest
>>> that you do the same, this way you do not have to use the command
>>> line.  The down side to this method would be that you do not know if
>>> you have actually pasted the picture into your paint program or
>>> similar for the mac, but trust me, if you pressed the keys, the
>>> computer did it.  I will write a tutorial on this, up it will come in
>>> about a month or so.
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Re: solona

[Courtney Curran]

Hi,
I only see the terminal version of Solona, that's the one I've got. Are we 
referring to the same thing?

On 05/06/2010, at 6:28 in the Afternoon, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:

> Courtney, there's a submit captia button on Solona. 
> On Jun 5, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I know how to take a screenshot, but I don't know what you mean by submit to 
>> Solona. I know there's a way to do it through the terminal, is that what 
>> you're talking about?
>> Courtney
>> On 05/06/2010, at 5:29 in the Afternoon, Orin wrote:
>> 
>>> Yeah. I believe that us Mac users need a GUI app, Qwitter is the best 
>>> example for solving captchas that's also the easiest on windows as well. We 
>>> need something like that.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Alfredo wrote:
>>> 
 I use it on windows without the application since I believe that
 installing uneeded programs on your computer, is well a waste of time
 and you never know when a program will start acting up when you try to
 uninstall it.  I just went tot he windows instructions, read them,
 followed them, and thats how I get my captchas solved.  I would suggest
 that you do the same, this way you do not have to use the command
 line.  The down side to this method would be that you do not know if
 you have actually pasted the picture into your paint program or
 similar for the mac, but trust me, if you pressed the keys, the
 computer did it.  I will write a tutorial on this, up it will come in
 about a month or so.
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Re: solona

[Chantel Cuddemi]

I am talking about the website. I don't use the terminal version. 
On Jun 5, 2010, at 6:32 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:

> Hi,
> I only see the terminal version of Solona, that's the one I've got. Are we 
> referring to the same thing?
> 
> On 05/06/2010, at 6:28 in the Afternoon, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
> 
>> Courtney, there's a submit captia button on Solona. 
>> On Jun 5, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I know how to take a screenshot, but I don't know what you mean by submit 
>>> to Solona. I know there's a way to do it through the terminal, is that what 
>>> you're talking about?
>>> Courtney
>>> On 05/06/2010, at 5:29 in the Afternoon, Orin wrote:
>>> 
 Yeah. I believe that us Mac users need a GUI app, Qwitter is the best 
 example for solving captchas that's also the easiest on windows as well. 
 We need something like that.
 
 
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> I use it on windows without the application since I believe that
> installing uneeded programs on your computer, is well a waste of time
> and you never know when a program will start acting up when you try to
> uninstall it.  I just went tot he windows instructions, read them,
> followed them, and thats how I get my captchas solved.  I would suggest
> that you do the same, this way you do not have to use the command
> line.  The down side to this method would be that you do not know if
> you have actually pasted the picture into your paint program or
> similar for the mac, but trust me, if you pressed the keys, the
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> Alfredo
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Re: solona

[Courtney Curran]

Oh, okay, it's www.solona.net, right?
Thanks,
Courtney
On 05/06/2010, at 6:43 in the Afternoon, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:

> I am talking about the website. I don't use the terminal version. 
> On Jun 5, 2010, at 6:32 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I only see the terminal version of Solona, that's the one I've got. Are we 
>> referring to the same thing?
>> 
>> On 05/06/2010, at 6:28 in the Afternoon, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
>> 
>>> Courtney, there's a submit captia button on Solona. 
>>> On Jun 5, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 I know how to take a screenshot, but I don't know what you mean by submit 
 to Solona. I know there's a way to do it through the terminal, is that 
 what you're talking about?
 Courtney
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> Yeah. I believe that us Mac users need a GUI app, Qwitter is the best 
> example for solving captchas that's also the easiest on windows as well. 
> We need something like that.
> 
> 
> On Jun 5, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Alfredo wrote:
> 
>> I use it on windows without the application since I believe that
>> installing uneeded programs on your computer, is well a waste of time
>> and you never know when a program will start acting up when you try to
>> uninstall it.  I just went tot he windows instructions, read them,
>> followed them, and thats how I get my captchas solved.  I would suggest
>> that you do the same, this way you do not have to use the command
>> line.  The down side to this method would be that you do not know if
>> you have actually pasted the picture into your paint program or
>> similar for the mac, but trust me, if you pressed the keys, the
>> computer did it.  I will write a tutorial on this, up it will come in
>> about a month or so.
>> Alfredo
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Re: solona

[Chantel Cuddemi]

Yes. 
On Jun 5, 2010, at 6:38 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:

> Oh, okay, it's www.solona.net, right?
> Thanks,
> Courtney
> On 05/06/2010, at 6:43 in the Afternoon, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
> 
>> I am talking about the website. I don't use the terminal version. 
>> On Jun 5, 2010, at 6:32 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I only see the terminal version of Solona, that's the one I've got. Are we 
>>> referring to the same thing?
>>> 
>>> On 05/06/2010, at 6:28 in the Afternoon, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
>>> 
 Courtney, there's a submit captia button on Solona. 
 On Jun 5, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:
 
> Hi,
> I know how to take a screenshot, but I don't know what you mean by submit 
> to Solona. I know there's a way to do it through the terminal, is that 
> what you're talking about?
> Courtney
> On 05/06/2010, at 5:29 in the Afternoon, Orin wrote:
> 
>> Yeah. I believe that us Mac users need a GUI app, Qwitter is the best 
>> example for solving captchas that's also the easiest on windows as well. 
>> We need something like that.
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 5, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Alfredo wrote:
>> 
>>> I use it on windows without the application since I believe that
>>> installing uneeded programs on your computer, is well a waste of time
>>> and you never know when a program will start acting up when you try to
>>> uninstall it.  I just went tot he windows instructions, read them,
>>> followed them, and thats how I get my captchas solved.  I would suggest
>>> that you do the same, this way you do not have to use the command
>>> line.  The down side to this method would be that you do not know if
>>> you have actually pasted the picture into your paint program or
>>> similar for the mac, but trust me, if you pressed the keys, the
>>> computer did it.  I will write a tutorial on this, up it will come in
>>> about a month or so.
>>> Alfredo
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Re: Tech Doctor Podcast 4 available

[Alfredo]

Yes this is the second part of the tutorial.  So Can you please asnwer
my question Dr. Tech?
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Re: My Apple family is growing

[Allison Manzino]

Hi Krister,

Congrats on your getting a new Macbook. I love my Macbook although it's not a 
pro. I'm learning to navigate with the trackpad as well. It's a bit of a 
challenge in the beginning. But you will get it, you are smart!

Allison

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> Hi folks,
> As of yesterday i've now got a shiny 13 inch 2.4 Gigahertz Macbook pro. It's 
> a cool little machine really and i'm currently learning how to navigate in Vo 
> with the track pad as oposed to using the keyboard. It's cool but somewhat of 
> a learning curve in the beginning, but correct me if i'm wrong here, but 
> don't you get a tad faster in navigation useng the trackpad than using the 
> keys or am i wrong?
> What would be cool would be if one in some way could drag & drop using the 
> track pad, but it may not be possible.
> Well, i just wanted y'all to know.
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Re: VR streams on a mac?

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

You copy and paste the iTunes content to the Stream.
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> Well,
> 
> I called in the other day and that was what I was told... If the information 
> isn't correct, I can only let it roll down hill to the Humanware Support 
> staff.
> 
> Kev
> On Jun 5, 2010, at 5:18 PM, Ana G wrote:
> 
>> I skimmed the release notes for the VR Stream soft pack. My understanding is 
>> that it enables users to play unprotected iTunes and EPUB files. I don't 
>> think I read that it works with iTunes directly. 
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Re: My Apple family is growing

[Courtney Curran]

Hi,
What's the track pad? Do regular Macbooks have them?
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> Hi Krister,
> 
> Congrats on your getting a new Macbook. I love my Macbook although it's not a 
> pro. I'm learning to navigate with the trackpad as well. It's a bit of a 
> challenge in the beginning. But you will get it, you are smart!
> 
> Allison
> 
> On Jun 5, 2010, at 7:45 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
> 
>> Hi folks,
>> As of yesterday i've now got a shiny 13 inch 2.4 Gigahertz Macbook pro. It's 
>> a cool little machine really and i'm currently learning how to navigate in 
>> Vo with the track pad as oposed to using the keyboard. It's cool but 
>> somewhat of a learning curve in the beginning, but correct me if i'm wrong 
>> here, but don't you get a tad faster in navigation useng the trackpad than 
>> using the keys or am i wrong?
>> What would be cool would be if one in some way could drag & drop using the 
>> track pad, but it may not be possible.
>> Well, i just wanted y'all to know.
>> /Krister
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How much Hard drive space does Fusion require?

[Alfredo]

I am planning on running a Windows 7 virtual machine along side Mac OS
X and I have several questions.  How much hard drive space does a
typical snapshot of fusion take up?  Is there a difference between a
fusion snapshot and a virtual machine file?  I am planning to buy a
cheap 32 GB SSD drive to increase the performance when running both
fusion and mac os x.  I heard in the past that some times you had to
wait like a minute or so so taht the drive could finish doing its
seeking functions as both windows and mac os x tend to write on the
hard drive , and if both are trying to access the drive at the same
time, one has to wait, and it usually ends up being windows since its
just a virtual machine.  Those 32GB hard drives run me about 110
dollars, then add in a time capsules for offline storage and backup of
my music and video files and I think I can manage with 32 GB for some
time.  I currently use a Vista computer with 250GB of hard drive
space, but my core files, only take about 20 GB, and this includes the
OS, I just use the computer to surf the internet and do homework for
school.  Any feedback would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Alfredo

PS I have a licensed, unopened, ViewPlus AudioGraphing Calculator
software program.  This is great if you love math or are going to
school, or planning to go back to college and take math classes.
Through audio feedback it will describe all kinds of graphs and you
can use it to print graphs onto your braille printer.  I have this for
250, it cost 300 if you buy it fromt he manufacturer, plus tax.  If
you are interested post me an email.

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solna and captcha solving

[Allison Manzino]

Hi all,
I created an account with SOlona, but when I try to log in, I get something 
about my SQL table having an error or the user name and password having an 
error. What does this mean? Do you have to create an account to solve captchas? 
Thank you for all your assistance. Have a wonderful day.

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supported braille displays

[Allison Manzino]

Hi all,

My BN MPower is dying, so I'm looking for another braille display/notetaker to 
replace it. Are there any you would recommend? It would be great if the display 
was also supported by Apple. I'm looking in to the Braillino which is made by 
Handytech. I have read that this device is supported. Does anyone have 
experience with this? Thanks a lot for all your help. Have a fantastic day.

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ONE QUESTION.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi.

I finally purchased my album thanks Will.  Now I have a question.  Since I paid 
for the album, if I were to copy a file and wish to send it a friend, could I?  
How would I attach to a message, could I paste it or would that not work?  I've 
never purchased music as direct downloads, times must be changing as now I can 
buy things directly and hear them instantly rather than waiting.  I'm also 
hoping to join Audible but have to download the audible manager for Mac, will 
be fun!

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Re: supported braille displays

[Buddy Brannan]

I've heard nothing but good of Handytech displays. One advantage they have over 
some others is that they run on AA batteries, or AA rechargeables. 
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On Jun 5, 2010, at 7:14 PM, Allison Manzino wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> My BN MPower is dying, so I'm looking for another braille display/notetaker 
> to replace it. Are there any you would recommend? It would be great if the 
> display was also supported by Apple. I'm looking in to the Braillino which is 
> made by Handytech. I have read that this device is supported. Does anyone 
> have experience with this? Thanks a lot for all your help. Have a fantastic 
> day.
> 
> Allison
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Re: ONE QUESTION.

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Hi Kawal,

I don't think you need to download the Mac version of Audible manager. I think 
Itunes takes care of it. I have downloaded one book with the Mac, and it plays 
in Itunes. THis is not to say that you can't transfer it to your Ipod or 
something.

To attach a file to an E-mail, hit command shift A as in Apple. Then you should 
be able to browse to where the file is stored on your computer. When you find 
the file you wish to attach, VO right arrow to choose file and hit VO Space. 
THat's it, you're done. I hope that helps. Have a great day.

Musically,
Allison

On Jun 5, 2010, at 7:15 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> I finally purchased my album thanks Will.  Now I have a question.  Since I 
> paid for the album, if I were to copy a file and wish to send it a friend, 
> could I?  How would I attach to a message, could I paste it or would that not 
> work?  I've never purchased music as direct downloads, times must be changing 
> as now I can buy things directly and hear them instantly rather than waiting. 
>  I'm also hoping to join Audible but have to download the audible manager for 
> Mac, will be fun!
> 
> Kawal. 
> 
> 
> 
> Kawal Gucukoglu
> 
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> 
> kawal_gucuko...@sent.com
> 
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> 
> kawalgucukoglu
> 
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Re: supported braille displays

[Allison Manzino]

THank you so much,. I love the fact that the Handy Tech displays run on AA 
batteries. I have spoken with a representative from Handy Tech and she was very 
helpful. SHe also uses the Braillino every day, so she answered everyone of my 
questions. Now the fight begins to get the state to pay for it. I'm employed 
and I'm having trouble getting any state agency to pay for it. But I need it in 
order to keep my job. It makes my job infinitely easier to have a display since 
I assist our students in filling out forms.
Allison

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> I've heard nothing but good of Handytech displays. One advantage they have 
> over some others is that they run on AA batteries, or AA rechargeables. 
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> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 5, 2010, at 7:14 PM, Allison Manzino wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> My BN MPower is dying, so I'm looking for another braille display/notetaker 
>> to replace it. Are there any you would recommend? It would be great if the 
>> display was also supported by Apple. I'm looking in to the Braillino which 
>> is made by Handytech. I have read that this device is supported. Does anyone 
>> have experience with this? Thanks a lot for all your help. Have a fantastic 
>> day.
>> 
>> Allison
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Re: ONE QUESTION.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

How would I attach a purchased song from my Itune list please Alison?  That was 
what I wanted to do.  I know how to attach a file, but can I send a song from 
my purchased store list?  My Itune library is not showing in my list of folders 
nor can I copy the file to my document folder as have tried.  Thanks for 
telling me about my audible as I will sign up!
On Jun 6, 2010, at 12:25 AM, Allison Manzino wrote:

> Hi Kawal,
> 
> I don't think you need to download the Mac version of Audible manager. I 
> think Itunes takes care of it. I have downloaded one book with the Mac, and 
> it plays in Itunes. THis is not to say that you can't transfer it to your 
> Ipod or something.
> 
> To attach a file to an E-mail, hit command shift A as in Apple. Then you 
> should be able to browse to where the file is stored on your computer. When 
> you find the file you wish to attach, VO right arrow to choose file and hit 
> VO Space. THat's it, you're done. I hope that helps. Have a great day.
> 
> Musically,
> Allison
> 
> On Jun 5, 2010, at 7:15 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> I finally purchased my album thanks Will.  Now I have a question.  Since I 
>> paid for the album, if I were to copy a file and wish to send it a friend, 
>> could I?  How would I attach to a message, could I paste it or would that 
>> not work?  I've never purchased music as direct downloads, times must be 
>> changing as now I can buy things directly and hear them instantly rather 
>> than waiting.  I'm also hoping to join Audible but have to download the 
>> audible manager for Mac, will be fun!
>> 
>> Kawal. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Kawal Gucukoglu
>> 
>> (E-mail/MSN):
>> 
>> kawal_gucuko...@sent.com
>> 
>> (Skype ID):
>> 
>> kawalgucukoglu
>> 
>> (Mobile/Text):
>> 
>> +447905618396
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Re: supported braille displays

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I'm always amazed to hear how different countries view what support VI people 
should have when working.  Here in the UK if a blind person has a job, then the 
Government and the employer will help the person get equipment.  Maybe the US 
should do the same especially if it helps disabled persons of any disabilities 
get work or stay in work.

I have a Eurobraille of my own and it works well with my Mac Book Pro!  I hope 
to get one for work as they are so small.

Kawal.
On Jun 6, 2010, at 12:28 AM, Allison Manzino wrote:

> THank you so much,. I love the fact that the Handy Tech displays run on AA 
> batteries. I have spoken with a representative from Handy Tech and she was 
> very helpful. SHe also uses the Braillino every day, so she answered everyone 
> of my questions. Now the fight begins to get the state to pay for it. I'm 
> employed and I'm having trouble getting any state agency to pay for it. But I 
> need it in order to keep my job. It makes my job infinitely easier to have a 
> display since I assist our students in filling out forms.
> Allison
> 
> On Jun 5, 2010, at 7:24 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> 
>> I've heard nothing but good of Handytech displays. One advantage they have 
>> over some others is that they run on AA batteries, or AA rechargeables. 
>> --
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>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 5, 2010, at 7:14 PM, Allison Manzino wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> My BN MPower is dying, so I'm looking for another braille display/notetaker 
>>> to replace it. Are there any you would recommend? It would be great if the 
>>> display was also supported by Apple. I'm looking in to the Braillino which 
>>> is made by Handytech. I have read that this device is supported. Does 
>>> anyone have experience with this? Thanks a lot for all your help. Have a 
>>> fantastic day.
>>> 
>>> Allison
>>> 
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Re: ONE QUESTION.

[Allison Manzino]

Hi Kawal,

I'm sorry I misinterpreted your message. You already know how to attach a file, 
okay so the only step you have to do is after hitting command shift A, browse 
to your music folder. Right arrow to expand it and then hit I T for Itunes. 
Right arrow to expand that and then look for the Itunes media folder. Then 
select the music folder. You just keep hitting right arrow to expand all the 
folders. Itunes should have categorized your music by artist, so all your 
Itunes purchases should be in there. If you get stuck, I'd be happy to demo 
this in a short audio clip.

Allison

On Jun 5, 2010, at 7:32 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> How would I attach a purchased song from my Itune list please Alison?  That 
> was what I wanted to do.  I know how to attach a file, but can I send a song 
> from my purchased store list?  My Itune library is not showing in my list of 
> folders nor can I copy the file to my document folder as have tried.  Thanks 
> for telling me about my audible as I will sign up!
> On Jun 6, 2010, at 12:25 AM, Allison Manzino wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kawal,
>> 
>> I don't think you need to download the Mac version of Audible manager. I 
>> think Itunes takes care of it. I have downloaded one book with the Mac, and 
>> it plays in Itunes. THis is not to say that you can't transfer it to your 
>> Ipod or something.
>> 
>> To attach a file to an E-mail, hit command shift A as in Apple. Then you 
>> should be able to browse to where the file is stored on your computer. When 
>> you find the file you wish to attach, VO right arrow to choose file and hit 
>> VO Space. THat's it, you're done. I hope that helps. Have a great day.
>> 
>> Musically,
>> Allison
>> 
>> On Jun 5, 2010, at 7:15 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> I finally purchased my album thanks Will.  Now I have a question.  Since I 
>>> paid for the album, if I were to copy a file and wish to send it a friend, 
>>> could I?  How would I attach to a message, could I paste it or would that 
>>> not work?  I've never purchased music as direct downloads, times must be 
>>> changing as now I can buy things directly and hear them instantly rather 
>>> than waiting.  I'm also hoping to join Audible but have to download the 
>>> audible manager for Mac, will be fun!
>>> 
>>> Kawal. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Kawal Gucukoglu
>>> 
>>> (E-mail/MSN):
>>> 
>>> kawal_gucuko...@sent.com
>>> 
>>> (Skype ID):
>>> 
>>> kawalgucukoglu
>>> 
>>> (Mobile/Text):
>>> 
>>> +447905618396
>>> 
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Re: My Apple family is growing

[Carolyn]

Krister:
Awesome!!!  I don't know how to use mine yet, (te trackpad that is,) but I'll 
bet that part if one learns it could be pretty quick.  Congrats, and happy 
flicking!!!

Carolyn
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  From: Krister Ekstrom 
  To: Macvisionaries list the blind 
  Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 5:45 AM
  Subject: My Apple family is growing


  Hi folks,
  As of yesterday i've now got a shiny 13 inch 2.4 Gigahertz Macbook pro. It's 
a cool little machine really and i'm currently learning how to navigate in Vo 
with the track pad as oposed to using the keyboard. It's cool but somewhat of a 
learning curve in the beginning, but correct me if i'm wrong here, but don't 
you get a tad faster in navigation useng the trackpad than using the keys or am 
i wrong?
  What would be cool would be if one in some way could drag & drop using the 
track pad, but it may not be possible.
  Well, i just wanted y'all to know.
  /Krister

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Re: ONE QUESTION.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

That, Alison, would be great if you could do the clip if I got stuck.  I'll try 
it tomorrow as it's almost 1:30 in the morning!  I did try and download your 
latest podcast and it said it had downloaded it and I could not see it in my 
download folder.  That's where I thought everything went to!

Kawal.
On Jun 6, 2010, at 12:46 AM, Allison Manzino wrote:

> Hi Kawal,
> 
> I'm sorry I misinterpreted your message. You already know how to attach a 
> file, okay so the only step you have to do is after hitting command shift A, 
> browse to your music folder. Right arrow to expand it and then hit I T for 
> Itunes. Right arrow to expand that and then look for the Itunes media folder. 
> Then select the music folder. You just keep hitting right arrow to expand all 
> the folders. Itunes should have categorized your music by artist, so all your 
> Itunes purchases should be in there. If you get stuck, I'd be happy to demo 
> this in a short audio clip.
> 
> Allison
> 
> On Jun 5, 2010, at 7:32 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> How would I attach a purchased song from my Itune list please Alison?  That 
>> was what I wanted to do.  I know how to attach a file, but can I send a song 
>> from my purchased store list?  My Itune library is not showing in my list of 
>> folders nor can I copy the file to my document folder as have tried.  Thanks 
>> for telling me about my audible as I will sign up!
>> On Jun 6, 2010, at 12:25 AM, Allison Manzino wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Kawal,
>>> 
>>> I don't think you need to download the Mac version of Audible manager. I 
>>> think Itunes takes care of it. I have downloaded one book with the Mac, and 
>>> it plays in Itunes. THis is not to say that you can't transfer it to your 
>>> Ipod or something.
>>> 
>>> To attach a file to an E-mail, hit command shift A as in Apple. Then you 
>>> should be able to browse to where the file is stored on your computer. When 
>>> you find the file you wish to attach, VO right arrow to choose file and hit 
>>> VO Space. THat's it, you're done. I hope that helps. Have a great day.
>>> 
>>> Musically,
>>> Allison
>>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2010, at 7:15 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>>> 
 Hi.
 
 I finally purchased my album thanks Will.  Now I have a question.  Since I 
 paid for the album, if I were to copy a file and wish to send it a friend, 
 could I?  How would I attach to a message, could I paste it or would that 
 not work?  I've never purchased music as direct downloads, times must be 
 changing as now I can buy things directly and hear them instantly rather 
 than waiting.  I'm also hoping to join Audible but have to download the 
 audible manager for Mac, will be fun!
 
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Re: ONE QUESTION.

[Sarah Alawami]

Nope it goes in music\itunes media\podcasts I think that's the path anyways.

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On Jun 5, 2010, at 5:01 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> That, Alison, would be great if you could do the clip if I got stuck.  I'll 
> try it tomorrow as it's almost 1:30 in the morning!  I did try and download 
> your latest podcast and it said it had downloaded it and I could not see it 
> in my download folder.  That's where I thought everything went to!
> 
> Kawal.
> On Jun 6, 2010, at 12:46 AM, Allison Manzino wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kawal,
>> 
>> I'm sorry I misinterpreted your message. You already know how to attach a 
>> file, okay so the only step you have to do is after hitting command shift A, 
>> browse to your music folder. Right arrow to expand it and then hit I T for 
>> Itunes. Right arrow to expand that and then look for the Itunes media 
>> folder. Then select the music folder. You just keep hitting right arrow to 
>> expand all the folders. Itunes should have categorized your music by artist, 
>> so all your Itunes purchases should be in there. If you get stuck, I'd be 
>> happy to demo this in a short audio clip.
>> 
>> Allison
>> 
>> On Jun 5, 2010, at 7:32 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>>> How would I attach a purchased song from my Itune list please Alison?  That 
>>> was what I wanted to do.  I know how to attach a file, but can I send a 
>>> song from my purchased store list?  My Itune library is not showing in my 
>>> list of folders nor can I copy the file to my document folder as have 
>>> tried.  Thanks for telling me about my audible as I will sign up!
>>> On Jun 6, 2010, at 12:25 AM, Allison Manzino wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Kawal,
 
 I don't think you need to download the Mac version of Audible manager. I 
 think Itunes takes care of it. I have downloaded one book with the Mac, 
 and it plays in Itunes. THis is not to say that you can't transfer it to 
 your Ipod or something.
 
 To attach a file to an E-mail, hit command shift A as in Apple. Then you 
 should be able to browse to where the file is stored on your computer. 
 When you find the file you wish to attach, VO right arrow to choose file 
 and hit VO Space. THat's it, you're done. I hope that helps. Have a great 
 day.
 
 Musically,
 Allison
 
 On Jun 5, 2010, at 7:15 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 
> Hi.
> 
> I finally purchased my album thanks Will.  Now I have a question.  Since 
> I paid for the album, if I were to copy a file and wish to send it a 
> friend, could I?  How would I attach to a message, could I paste it or 
> would that not work?  I've never purchased music as direct downloads, 
> times must be changing as now I can buy things directly and hear them 
> instantly rather than waiting.  I'm also hoping to join Audible but have 
> to download the audible manager for Mac, will be fun!
> 
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Re: [bcab] End of Freedom?

[Carolyn]

As i'm reading with it, can't say that yet, but you did make me smile big!!!
Carolyn
  - Original Message - 
  From: Olivia Norman 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 11:19 AM
  Subject: Re: [bcab] End of Freedom?


  YAY! YAY! YAY! Goodbye Jaws! :) :) :) :)
  "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs

  On Jun 5, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

  > Off topic, but I feel everyone will be interested especially those people 
who run Fusion on their Macs.
  > 
  > Begin forwarded message:
  > 
  >> From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" 
  >> Date: June 5, 2010 9:36:33 AM GMT+01:00
  >> To: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
  >> Subject: Fw: [bcab] End of Freedom?
  >> 
  >> 
  >> - Original Message - From: "Colin r. Howard" 
  >> To: ; ; 
; ; 
  >> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:30 AM
  >> Subject: [bcab] End of Freedom?
  >> 
  >> 
  >>> Greetings,
  >>> 
  >>> I am posting the main text from a thread just seen on the Blind Audio List
  >>> which I am surprised not to have seen on the BCAB or AccessUK groups.
  >>> 
  >>> Ought we to give much credence to this?
  >>> 
  >>> I, for one, would welcome any comments from Sight and Sound.
  >>> 
  >>> From: "Otto Zamora" 
  >>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 05:44:14 -0400
  >>> 
  >>> Morning,
  >>> 
  >>> In an advocate meeting yesterday, the subject came up reference Freedom
  >>> Scientific, the company that among other things sports JFw.
  >>> Because the company is in the state of Florida, it came up on  a flag by 
an
  >>> analyst.
  >>> Seems this company is having bad money troubles, not surprising given the
  >>> economy, but talk is that they are now looking to sell off some of their
  >>> division, mainly their JFW area.
  >>> I am not sure who if anyone will buy this division, considering that there
  >>> is an entity now selling a fully integrated package for only $700.
  >>> Besides a comprehensive screen reader, if the user chooses to get the
  >>> package, there is a browser, along with a customed and fully accessible 
web
  >>> sites, word processing, and E mail.
  >>> all of this can apparently be accessed either on line, or as individual
  >>> program.
  >>> ad to that, the entertainment mogill, and you have a powerful tool indeed
  >>> for the kind of money they are asking for.
  >>> Another side of the equation is the apple company, now selling computers
  >>> already with speech on board right out of the box and off the shelf.
  >>> Put these two aspects together, and you have a deadly combo that might 
very
  >>> well result in a abrupt end to the JFW program.
  >>> Considering the way that technology is growing, older versions of JFW, 
will
  >>> only work for a short while until the programs controlling the OS, begins 
to
  >>> outgrow the application.
  >>> In seeing this package, one of the things which was pointed out to me, was
  >>> the learning curve, which for the new package being sold by Mr.. Mike 
Calvo,
  >>> is very short.
  >>> The user has the option to learn as little or as much as they want without
  >>> real loss. From: "Alison Trelfa" 
  >>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:36:47 +0100
  >>> 
  >>> Hello, Otto,
  >>> 
  >>> I wonder whether many jaws users would move to another speech program as 
yet
  >>> as many of the packages that are not standard probably wouldn't be 
supported
  >>> by the out of the box speech. I run Sonar and Sibelius 5.25, both of which
  >>> are using scripts that have been written by folk who specialise not only 
in
  >>> Jaws, but only in the two programs. I suppose those people who only need
  >>> computers for basic commands may well get away with speech such as you
  >>> describe, but I don't think that Jaws would just be dismissed out of hand
  >>> because Freedom is going. I think Jaws has changed hands once before if 
I'm
  >>> not mistaken? Correct me if I'm wrong there.
  >>> 
  >>> I would be very sorry to see Jaws go under, but I'm not worried yet. There
  >>> is a huge following for Jaws and I believe that someone would take it 
over.
  >>> 
  >>> From: "Otto Zamora" 
  >>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 10:49:36 -0400
  >>> 
  >>> hi,
  >>> 
  >>> You are correct, I am just stating that from what we were told, they are
  >>> having a hard time finding someone who will take on the project,especially
  >>> since as you point out, most people are  not using anything that is high
  >>> end, and from what we also have heard, people are tired of having to pay
  >>> $1500 and change, when there now is a program which will do speech and 
more
  >>> for only $700.
  >>> Given the economy, for many people, the sedition may be financial.
  >>> 
  >>> 
  >>> From: Geoff Long 
  >>> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 16:20:04 +0100
  >>> 
  >>> Hi Alison, I wonder how many JAWS users have to
  >>> pay for their own equipment.  I use window-eyes,
  >>> which is considerably less expensive, and as I
  >>> had to pay for my training and kit from my own
  >>> pocket, it 

Re: Thanks and more help Please

[Carolyn]

Allison:
I thank you for your response.  Just a tiny clarification, my reference to 
"tia", that is, T. I. A.  is a quicky way to write "thanks in advance."  So, 
TIA's just an acromym.:)
Now I'll actually read your message  And again, thank you.

Carolyn
  - Original Message - 
  From: Allison Manzino 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:47 PM
  Subject: Re: Thanks and more help Please


  Hi Carolyn and Tia,


  Did I read correctly that you were pressing command D to paste? If I did 
interpret that correctly, you should press command V as in victor to paste. 
There is also something that you can check in system preferences I believe that 
will show file extensions. I have this checked to show all file extensions. 
Guess that comes from my windows background :) 


  Allison


  On Jun 5, 2010, at 12:20 AM, Michael Huckabay wrote:


All right so are you just trying to coppy the book from your finder window 
to your sd card?  If so all you should need to do is coppy the book and then 
navigate to your sd card wich should be on the finder desktop window and then 
when you are in your sd card folder open that and paste the file.
If you have further ?'s e-male me off line or add me to msn and I will try 
and help you further.
mikehucka...@me.com  Is my e-male and msn thanks. I hope I helpd you.

On 2010-06-04, at 10:15 PM, Carolyn wrote:


  Hi:
  I have yet another question.  Thanks in advance for helping me move 
forward.  I'm loving this!!!


  Carolyn:):):)



  Begin forwarded message:


From: Carolyn 

Date: June 4, 2010 8:48:13 PM MDT

To: Olivia Norman 

Subject: Thanks

ast session I found a book I had downloaded from the NLS website.  I 
know that on the pc, they usually download as zip files.  I don't see any file 
extentions on this book.  When I right arrow, it shows the numbered files, like 
you see in Windows when it has unzipped a zip file.  So, now I want to put it 
on my Victor Reader SD card using the card reader.  I managed to put the card 
in and locate it in the finder (it's called no name:))
I went back to the downloaded book, colapsed the book (by left 
arrowing), and tried to copy and paste by pressing command-c, going over to the 
sd card and into $dtb and doing command D.  I get the ding, and no copy.  Can 
you tell me from tis description what step(s) I may be missing?

TIA

I'm really falling for this Mac:)
Carolyn




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