I feel as sorry for the stupid or missinformed employers who will force the job losses. There are other windows based screen readers out there, some with plenty of scripting capabilities, such as window-eyes whos scripting fits more in to the modern age. We can't expect them all to addopt macs:) but we can pitty them their stupidity if they don't see that the wold wasn't created in 6 days for the blind by freedom:). On 2010-06-05, at 2:21 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> I agree with you. > Donna > On Jun 5, 2010, at 2:03 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote: > >> I feel sorry for the people who will loose their jobs. >> On Jun 5, 2010, at 12:22 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: >> >>> I certainly agree. Yay, yay, no more overpriced, unfair JAWS. >>> Courtney >>> >>> On 05/06/2010, at 1:19 in the Afternoon, Olivia Norman wrote: >>> >>>> YAY! YAY! YAY! Goodbye Jaws! :) :) :) :) >>>> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs >>>> >>>> On Jun 5, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: >>>> >>>>> Off topic, but I feel everyone will be interested especially those people >>>>> who run Fusion on their Macs. >>>>> >>>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>> >>>>>> From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" <ibrahim_gucuko...@sent.com> >>>>>> Date: June 5, 2010 9:36:33 AM GMT+01:00 >>>>>> To: "Kawal Gucukoglu" <kawal_gucuko...@sent.com> >>>>>> Subject: Fw: [bcab] End of Freedom? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin r. Howard" <co...@pobox.com> >>>>>> To: <b...@freelists.org>; <access...@freelists.org>; >>>>>> <av...@googlegroups.com>; <ntexpr...@googlegroups.com>; >>>>>> <jaws...@freelists.org> >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:30 AM >>>>>> Subject: [bcab] End of Freedom? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Greetings, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am posting the main text from a thread just seen on the Blind Audio >>>>>>> List >>>>>>> which I am surprised not to have seen on the BCAB or AccessUK groups. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ought we to give much credence to this? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I, for one, would welcome any comments from Sight and Sound. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: "Otto Zamora" <donttreado...@bellsouth.net> >>>>>>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 05:44:14 -0400 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Morning, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In an advocate meeting yesterday, the subject came up reference Freedom >>>>>>> Scientific, the company that among other things sports JFw. >>>>>>> Because the company is in the state of Florida, it came up on a flag >>>>>>> by an >>>>>>> analyst. >>>>>>> Seems this company is having bad money troubles, not surprising given >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> economy, but talk is that they are now looking to sell off some of their >>>>>>> division, mainly their JFW area. >>>>>>> I am not sure who if anyone will buy this division, considering that >>>>>>> there >>>>>>> is an entity now selling a fully integrated package for only $700. >>>>>>> Besides a comprehensive screen reader, if the user chooses to get the >>>>>>> package, there is a browser, along with a customed and fully accessible >>>>>>> web >>>>>>> sites, word processing, and E mail. >>>>>>> all of this can apparently be accessed either on line, or as individual >>>>>>> program. >>>>>>> ad to that, the entertainment mogill, and you have a powerful tool >>>>>>> indeed >>>>>>> for the kind of money they are asking for. >>>>>>> Another side of the equation is the apple company, now selling computers >>>>>>> already with speech on board right out of the box and off the shelf. >>>>>>> Put these two aspects together, and you have a deadly combo that might >>>>>>> very >>>>>>> well result in a abrupt end to the JFW program. >>>>>>> Considering the way that technology is growing, older versions of JFW, >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> only work for a short while until the programs controlling the OS, >>>>>>> begins to >>>>>>> outgrow the application. >>>>>>> In seeing this package, one of the things which was pointed out to me, >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> the learning curve, which for the new package being sold by Mr.. Mike >>>>>>> Calvo, >>>>>>> is very short. >>>>>>> The user has the option to learn as little or as much as they want >>>>>>> without >>>>>>> real loss. From: "Alison Trelfa" <codamu...@uwclub.net> >>>>>>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:36:47 +0100 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello, Otto, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I wonder whether many jaws users would move to another speech program >>>>>>> as yet >>>>>>> as many of the packages that are not standard probably wouldn't be >>>>>>> supported >>>>>>> by the out of the box speech. I run Sonar and Sibelius 5.25, both of >>>>>>> which >>>>>>> are using scripts that have been written by folk who specialise not >>>>>>> only in >>>>>>> Jaws, but only in the two programs. I suppose those people who only need >>>>>>> computers for basic commands may well get away with speech such as you >>>>>>> describe, but I don't think that Jaws would just be dismissed out of >>>>>>> hand >>>>>>> because Freedom is going. I think Jaws has changed hands once before if >>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>> not mistaken? Correct me if I'm wrong there. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would be very sorry to see Jaws go under, but I'm not worried yet. >>>>>>> There >>>>>>> is a huge following for Jaws and I believe that someone would take it >>>>>>> over. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: "Otto Zamora" <donttreado...@bellsouth.net> >>>>>>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 10:49:36 -0400 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You are correct, I am just stating that from what we were told, they are >>>>>>> having a hard time finding someone who will take on the >>>>>>> project,especially >>>>>>> since as you point out, most people are not using anything that is high >>>>>>> end, and from what we also have heard, people are tired of having to pay >>>>>>> $1500 and change, when there now is a program which will do speech and >>>>>>> more >>>>>>> for only $700. >>>>>>> Given the economy, for many people, the sedition may be financial. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: Geoff Long <ge...@tisab.demon.co.uk> >>>>>>> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 16:20:04 +0100 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Alison, I wonder how many JAWS users have to >>>>>>> pay for their own equipment. I use window-eyes, >>>>>>> which is considerably less expensive, and as I >>>>>>> had to pay for my training and kit from my own >>>>>>> pocket, it makes a big difference. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: "Dr Norman Waddington" <normanwaddington...@btinternet.com> >>>>>>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 16:36:22 +0100 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Geoff, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I need no introduction to you on this list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am a Jaws user and have paid all the way through out of my own pocket >>>>>>> from >>>>>>> version 3.5 methinks if I remember correctly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> >>>>>>> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 17:37:37 +0200 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello! >>>>>>> Also we have nvda as a very good and free alternative. >>>>>>> And Hal or supernova which costs less money than jaws. >>>>>>> From: "Mike Stewart" <stewar...@verizon.net> >>>>>>> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 10:58:45 -0600 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The entry price is steep, but upgrades only run about $100-$140 or so... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: "Alison Trelfa" <codamu...@uwclub.net> >>>>>>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 21:31:33 +0100 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, Geoff, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is expensive to get jaws I agree with that. The problem I have is >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> there are no other programs that support the music side as far as I >>>>>>> know. If >>>>>>> all programs worked as well as microsoft office or outlook express then >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> think Jaws would really be struggling. 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