Just to add to this, this week I inherited a PC that my husband isn't using. It's a fairly new computer running Windows 7, and I've been trying to install JAWS on it since Wednesday, with absolutely no luck at all, and this has included a one hour call to FS tech support. In the interim, I've been running System Access over the internet, just to have some speech on the machine. Having had this experience, I would be hard-pressed ever to recommend JAWS over simply getting a Mac again. I hope Apple does give FS a run for their money. If this is the best FS can do, they deserve to lose out, whether to Apple, or to a group like Serotek. Cheers, Donna On Jun 5, 2010, at 12:42 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> Off topic, but I feel everyone will be interested especially those people who > run Fusion on their Macs. > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" <ibrahim_gucuko...@sent.com> >> Date: June 5, 2010 9:36:33 AM GMT+01:00 >> To: "Kawal Gucukoglu" <kawal_gucuko...@sent.com> >> Subject: Fw: [bcab] End of Freedom? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin r. Howard" <co...@pobox.com> >> To: <b...@freelists.org>; <access...@freelists.org>; >> <av...@googlegroups.com>; <ntexpr...@googlegroups.com>; >> <jaws...@freelists.org> >> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:30 AM >> Subject: [bcab] End of Freedom? >> >> >>> Greetings, >>> >>> I am posting the main text from a thread just seen on the Blind Audio List >>> which I am surprised not to have seen on the BCAB or AccessUK groups. >>> >>> Ought we to give much credence to this? >>> >>> I, for one, would welcome any comments from Sight and Sound. >>> >>> From: "Otto Zamora" <donttreado...@bellsouth.net> >>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 05:44:14 -0400 >>> >>> Morning, >>> >>> In an advocate meeting yesterday, the subject came up reference Freedom >>> Scientific, the company that among other things sports JFw. >>> Because the company is in the state of Florida, it came up on a flag by an >>> analyst. >>> Seems this company is having bad money troubles, not surprising given the >>> economy, but talk is that they are now looking to sell off some of their >>> division, mainly their JFW area. >>> I am not sure who if anyone will buy this division, considering that there >>> is an entity now selling a fully integrated package for only $700. >>> Besides a comprehensive screen reader, if the user chooses to get the >>> package, there is a browser, along with a customed and fully accessible web >>> sites, word processing, and E mail. >>> all of this can apparently be accessed either on line, or as individual >>> program. >>> ad to that, the entertainment mogill, and you have a powerful tool indeed >>> for the kind of money they are asking for. >>> Another side of the equation is the apple company, now selling computers >>> already with speech on board right out of the box and off the shelf. >>> Put these two aspects together, and you have a deadly combo that might very >>> well result in a abrupt end to the JFW program. >>> Considering the way that technology is growing, older versions of JFW, will >>> only work for a short while until the programs controlling the OS, begins to >>> outgrow the application. >>> In seeing this package, one of the things which was pointed out to me, was >>> the learning curve, which for the new package being sold by Mr.. Mike Calvo, >>> is very short. >>> The user has the option to learn as little or as much as they want without >>> real loss. From: "Alison Trelfa" <codamu...@uwclub.net> >>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:36:47 +0100 >>> >>> Hello, Otto, >>> >>> I wonder whether many jaws users would move to another speech program as yet >>> as many of the packages that are not standard probably wouldn't be supported >>> by the out of the box speech. I run Sonar and Sibelius 5.25, both of which >>> are using scripts that have been written by folk who specialise not only in >>> Jaws, but only in the two programs. I suppose those people who only need >>> computers for basic commands may well get away with speech such as you >>> describe, but I don't think that Jaws would just be dismissed out of hand >>> because Freedom is going. I think Jaws has changed hands once before if I'm >>> not mistaken? Correct me if I'm wrong there. >>> >>> I would be very sorry to see Jaws go under, but I'm not worried yet. There >>> is a huge following for Jaws and I believe that someone would take it over. >>> >>> From: "Otto Zamora" <donttreado...@bellsouth.net> >>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 10:49:36 -0400 >>> >>> hi, >>> >>> You are correct, I am just stating that from what we were told, they are >>> having a hard time finding someone who will take on the project,especially >>> since as you point out, most people are not using anything that is high >>> end, and from what we also have heard, people are tired of having to pay >>> $1500 and change, when there now is a program which will do speech and more >>> for only $700. >>> Given the economy, for many people, the sedition may be financial. >>> >>> >>> From: Geoff Long <ge...@tisab.demon.co.uk> >>> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 16:20:04 +0100 >>> >>> Hi Alison, I wonder how many JAWS users have to >>> pay for their own equipment. I use window-eyes, >>> which is considerably less expensive, and as I >>> had to pay for my training and kit from my own >>> pocket, it makes a big difference. >>> >>> From: "Dr Norman Waddington" <normanwaddington...@btinternet.com> >>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 16:36:22 +0100 >>> >>> Hi Geoff, >>> >>> I need no introduction to you on this list. >>> >>> I am a Jaws user and have paid all the way through out of my own pocket from >>> version 3.5 methinks if I remember correctly. >>> >>> >>> From: Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> >>> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 17:37:37 +0200 >>> >>> Hello! >>> Also we have nvda as a very good and free alternative. >>> And Hal or supernova which costs less money than jaws. >>> From: "Mike Stewart" <stewar...@verizon.net> >>> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 10:58:45 -0600 >>> >>> The entry price is steep, but upgrades only run about $100-$140 or so... >>> >>> From: "Alison Trelfa" <codamu...@uwclub.net> >>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 21:31:33 +0100 >>> >>> Hi, Geoff, >>> >>> It is expensive to get jaws I agree with that. The problem I have is that >>> there are no other programs that support the music side as far as I know. If >>> all programs worked as well as microsoft office or outlook express then I >>> think Jaws would really be struggling. Most of the other programs that I >>> know of don't support many programs apart from the basics. >>> >>> >>> >>> From Colin Howard, for whom a small place near Southampton in >>> Southern England, has the honour of providing a home. >>> To find out more about BCAB and the benefits that membership can bring, >>> please visit our website: >>> http://www.bcab.org.uk/ >>> >>> To manage your subscription to the BCAB mailing list, please visit our >>> website: >>> http://www.bcab.org.uk/mailing-list.html >>> >>> To discuss matters relating to the mailing list, please email >>> bcab-moderat...@freelists.org >> > > > > ____ > Kawal Gucukoglu > > (E-mail/MSN): > > kawal_gucuko...@sent.com > > (Skype ID): > > kawalgucukoglu > > (Mobile/Text): > > +447905618396 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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