Re: mac more sensative to lightning?

[Jude DaShiell]

A router between the wall and the mac might help in the future.  Consider 
it a bullet stopper to prevent the mac from being taken out.  Same 
principle applies why external modems are better than internal modems for 
PC's.  They're bullet stoppers which may or may not work in the event of a 
lightning strike.  A network switch connected to the router might also 
help.  But let's back this up a little so you can picture this better. 
Letters connect to each other in order with what I'm about to write. 
Given, a is the wall jack, b is wire connected to wall jack, c is router 
connected to b, d is wire going out of router, e is network switch 
connected to d, f is wire going out of network switch, and g is your mac 
connected in the ethernet port to f.



On Fri, 10 Jul 2009, Scott Howell wrote:

>
> I don't know what to tell you, but everything that that is connected
> to the electrical mains or to a network drop should be routed through
> a surge protector. This will help, but of course is no guarantee and
> there may very well be some components, which are affected more than
> others. I guess I've just been very lucky and if you have homeowners
> insurance, they may very well cover it if the machine is completely
> toasted. I can't possibly imagine why resetting the pram would have
> such an impact though. If you have an Apple store/service facility,
> might be worth having them look at it to see if there is something
> else going on. Good luck, I know it really sucks when something like
> this happens.
>
> On Jul 10, 2009, at 12:02 AM, Mike Reiser wrote:
>
>>
>> Nothing else that was in the serge protector was effected.  The
>> internet
>> is connected through a netowrk drop on the wall.  My speakers are also
>> plugged into the serge protector.  The keyboard isn't and it's usb,
>> and
>> also the monitor adapter isn't.  What's wierd is it stopped working
>> after the Apple store employee had me reset the pram.  Thanks,
>>
>> Mike
>
>
> >
>

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Re: Manipulating which playlists files are in in ITunes on the mac

[Scott Howell]

You can set the genre as podcast as well.
On Jul 26, 2009, at 10:45 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote:

>
> Hi Jim,
>
> One of the options when you press VO-Shift-M should be Add to
> Playlist. When you choose that, all playlists - the ones created by
> iTunes and the ones you created yourself - are listed; you can arrow
> to the one you want or type the first letter or two of its name, and
> then press enter to add the file or files if you selected more than  
> one.
>
> I don't think there's any way to label a file you download as a
> podcast, but you can designate it as an audiobook. To do this, focus
> on the file, type Command-I, choose the Options tab, and change the
> media kind to Audiobook. This will not create an audiobooks playlist,
> but you can create one and add the file if you like. If you don't want
> to designate a file as an audiobook but you want your place saved when
> you exit the file, there is a check box later on this same Options
> page called "Remember playback position." There's a "Skip when
> shuffling" check box that also comes in handy if you like to shuffle
> your music and don't want to hear spoken word content when you do it.
>
> HTH,
> Anna
>
>
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Re: mac more sensative to lightning?

[Scott Howell]

I disagree.  There should be a surge protector/arrestor between the  
router and the wall jack.  So, you'd have in your example A as the  
walljack, B as the cable running from the wall jack, to C the surge  
protector/arrestor, D the cable from surge device, to e router, and so  
forth.  The point is you can't just put a surge suppressor on the  
electrical side, but at any point that connects to the outside world  
such as the phone lines or network beyond your own subnet.

On Jul 27, 2009, at 3:15 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

>
> A router between the wall and the mac might help in the future.   
> Consider
> it a bullet stopper to prevent the mac from being taken out.  Same
> principle applies why external modems are better than internal  
> modems for
> PC's.  They're bullet stoppers which may or may not work in the  
> event of a
> lightning strike.  A network switch connected to the router might also
> help.  But let's back this up a little so you can picture this better.
> Letters connect to each other in order with what I'm about to write.
> Given, a is the wall jack, b is wire connected to wall jack, c is  
> router
> connected to b, d is wire going out of router, e is network switch
> connected to d, f is wire going out of network switch, and g is your  
> mac
> connected in the ethernet port to f.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 10 Jul 2009, Scott Howell wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't know what to tell you, but everything that that is connected
>> to the electrical mains or to a network drop should be routed through
>> a surge protector. This will help, but of course is no guarantee and
>> there may very well be some components, which are affected more than
>> others. I guess I've just been very lucky and if you have homeowners
>> insurance, they may very well cover it if the machine is completely
>> toasted. I can't possibly imagine why resetting the pram would have
>> such an impact though. If you have an Apple store/service facility,
>> might be worth having them look at it to see if there is something
>> else going on. Good luck, I know it really sucks when something like
>> this happens.
>>
>> On Jul 10, 2009, at 12:02 AM, Mike Reiser wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Nothing else that was in the serge protector was effected.  The
>>> internet
>>> is connected through a netowrk drop on the wall.  My speakers are  
>>> also
>>> plugged into the serge protector.  The keyboard isn't and it's usb,
>>> and
>>> also the monitor adapter isn't.  What's wierd is it stopped working
>>> after the Apple store employee had me reset the pram.  Thanks,
>>>
>>> Mike
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>
> >


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Query regarding using aliases

[Simon Cavendish]

Dear Listers,

I've created a new alias under my .me account. I understand from the  
manual that I should from the point of creation of such an alias have  
an option under "from" field to choose which alias appears in the  
field on the recipient computer. When I activate the "from" button, I  
can't see my alias. Should I be able to see it? I thought the idea of  
having an alias means that you can choose a different e-mail address  
so that the main .me address remains hidden from view. Is that right?

Thanks for any clues.

Best wishes

Simon

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iphone on a call

[william lomas]

hi is voice over always so quiet on a call? a friend says the voice  
on a call with the i phone is so quiet is this correct?
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Adium versus IChat

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

My name is Donna Goodin, and I just joined this group last week.

I am listening to Mike's podcast.  I'm curious, is there a reason to use
Adium instead of IChat?
Thanks,
Donna

> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 9:18 PM
> To: MacVisionaries
> Subject: pod cast number 9
> 
> 
> Hi everyone. Just wanted to let everyone know that my 9th pod cast is
> now on blind cool tech. In this one, I look at the instant messaging
> client adium, also we take a look at a program called pzizz which will
> create relaxation sound files, and I look at a great backup program
> for the mac called super duper. I also tie up some loose ends from pod
> cast 8 about the nfb braille monitor article. Here is the link.
> http://media.libsyn.com/media/bct/bct1372MacDemo9.mp3
> 
> > 
> 
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Re: mac more sensative to lightning?

[Dan]

Hello,
My Uninterrupted power supply has cable and modem surge protection as  
well. I use all my protection, I never bypass it. It may or may not be  
over kill, but it works for me.
Dan

On Jul 27, 2009, at 3:36 AM, Scott Howell wrote:

>
> I disagree.  There should be a surge protector/arrestor between the
> router and the wall jack.  So, you'd have in your example A as the
> walljack, B as the cable running from the wall jack, to C the surge
> protector/arrestor, D the cable from surge device, to e router, and so
> forth.  The point is you can't just put a surge suppressor on the
> electrical side, but at any point that connects to the outside world
> such as the phone lines or network beyond your own subnet.
>
> On Jul 27, 2009, at 3:15 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
>>
>> A router between the wall and the mac might help in the future.
>> Consider
>> it a bullet stopper to prevent the mac from being taken out.  Same
>> principle applies why external modems are better than internal
>> modems for
>> PC's.  They're bullet stoppers which may or may not work in the
>> event of a
>> lightning strike.  A network switch connected to the router might  
>> also
>> help.  But let's back this up a little so you can picture this  
>> better.
>> Letters connect to each other in order with what I'm about to write.
>> Given, a is the wall jack, b is wire connected to wall jack, c is
>> router
>> connected to b, d is wire going out of router, e is network switch
>> connected to d, f is wire going out of network switch, and g is your
>> mac
>> connected in the ethernet port to f.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 10 Jul 2009, Scott Howell wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I don't know what to tell you, but everything that that is connected
>>> to the electrical mains or to a network drop should be routed  
>>> through
>>> a surge protector. This will help, but of course is no guarantee and
>>> there may very well be some components, which are affected more than
>>> others. I guess I've just been very lucky and if you have homeowners
>>> insurance, they may very well cover it if the machine is completely
>>> toasted. I can't possibly imagine why resetting the pram would have
>>> such an impact though. If you have an Apple store/service facility,
>>> might be worth having them look at it to see if there is something
>>> else going on. Good luck, I know it really sucks when something like
>>> this happens.
>>>
>>> On Jul 10, 2009, at 12:02 AM, Mike Reiser wrote:
>>>

 Nothing else that was in the serge protector was effected.  The
 internet
 is connected through a netowrk drop on the wall.  My speakers are
 also
 plugged into the serge protector.  The keyboard isn't and it's usb,
 and
 also the monitor adapter isn't.  What's wierd is it stopped working
 after the Apple store employee had me reset the pram.  Thanks,

 Mike
>>>
>>>

>>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: Adium versus IChat

[Maxwell Ivey Jr.]

Hi Donna;  welcome to the list.  the main reason is that ichat is  
limited in what kinds of accounts it will take when entering buddies.   
You cannot enter a yahoo id.  and lets face it most of my contacts  
have yahoo i d's.  Hope that helps, Max
On Jul 27, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> My name is Donna Goodin, and I just joined this group last week.
>
> I am listening to Mike's podcast.  I'm curious, is there a reason to  
> use
> Adium instead of IChat?
> Thanks,
> Donna
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
>> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 9:18 PM
>> To: MacVisionaries
>> Subject: pod cast number 9
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone. Just wanted to let everyone know that my 9th pod cast is
>> now on blind cool tech. In this one, I look at the instant messaging
>> client adium, also we take a look at a program called pzizz which  
>> will
>> create relaxation sound files, and I look at a great backup program
>> for the mac called super duper. I also tie up some loose ends from  
>> pod
>> cast 8 about the nfb braille monitor article. Here is the link.
>> http://media.libsyn.com/media/bct/bct1372MacDemo9.mp3
>>
>>>
>>
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>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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>> 07/26/09 17:59:00
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response from rogueamoeba

[Marie Howarth]

I use both audio high jack pro and just recently started using  
nicecast. both are very accessible programmes with the exception to  
the addition of the effects to a stream. With voice over, it is  
possible to add a single effect, just not more than that when the  
actual programmes both work on the basis multiple effects can be  
added. I wrote to the developers and here is the response I got.



Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Rogue Amoeba Support" 
> Date: July 27, 2009 2:46:36 PM BST
> To: marie.jane2...@gmail.com
> Subject: [RogueAmoeba #97236]: the effects area is virtually  
> inaccessible for more than one effect to be added to a session with  
> voice over for the mac
> Reply-To: audiohijack...@rogueamoeba.com
>
> Hi Marie,
>
> Thanks for the suggestion, I'll pass it along to the engineering  
> team who may contact you at a later time for further testing. For  
> now just let me know if you have any other questions.
>
> -Lee
>
> --
> Rogue Amoeba Support Technician
> he...@rogueamoeba.com
>
>  BE SURE TO REPLY ABOVE THIS LINE! 
> Ticket ID: 97236
> ===
>
>


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Re: mac more sensative to lightning?

[Scott Howell]

Dan in my opinion, there is no such thing as overkill.  If your going  
to spend a thousand dollars or more on a machine, then there is no  
reason to spend $50 or even $100 on protecting it.  I haven't even  
taken into consideration the data that in some cases may not have a  
dollar value, but sure is worth something to you.  Believe me, I've  
lost data in the past despite my best backup solutions and loosing  
expensive hardware is a drag.  I know a number of folks who lost  
machines or parts there of do to a lack of good protection.

On Jul 27, 2009, at 11:33 AM, Dan wrote:

>
> Hello,
> My Uninterrupted power supply has cable and modem surge protection as
> well. I use all my protection, I never bypass it. It may or may not be
> over kill, but it works for me.
> Dan
>
> On Jul 27, 2009, at 3:36 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
>
>>
>> I disagree.  There should be a surge protector/arrestor between the
>> router and the wall jack.  So, you'd have in your example A as the
>> walljack, B as the cable running from the wall jack, to C the surge
>> protector/arrestor, D the cable from surge device, to e router, and  
>> so
>> forth.  The point is you can't just put a surge suppressor on the
>> electrical side, but at any point that connects to the outside world
>> such as the phone lines or network beyond your own subnet.
>>
>> On Jul 27, 2009, at 3:15 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> A router between the wall and the mac might help in the future.
>>> Consider
>>> it a bullet stopper to prevent the mac from being taken out.  Same
>>> principle applies why external modems are better than internal
>>> modems for
>>> PC's.  They're bullet stoppers which may or may not work in the
>>> event of a
>>> lightning strike.  A network switch connected to the router might
>>> also
>>> help.  But let's back this up a little so you can picture this
>>> better.
>>> Letters connect to each other in order with what I'm about to write.
>>> Given, a is the wall jack, b is wire connected to wall jack, c is
>>> router
>>> connected to b, d is wire going out of router, e is network switch
>>> connected to d, f is wire going out of network switch, and g is your
>>> mac
>>> connected in the ethernet port to f.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 10 Jul 2009, Scott Howell wrote:
>>>

 I don't know what to tell you, but everything that that is  
 connected
 to the electrical mains or to a network drop should be routed
 through
 a surge protector. This will help, but of course is no guarantee  
 and
 there may very well be some components, which are affected more  
 than
 others. I guess I've just been very lucky and if you have  
 homeowners
 insurance, they may very well cover it if the machine is completely
 toasted. I can't possibly imagine why resetting the pram would have
 such an impact though. If you have an Apple store/service facility,
 might be worth having them look at it to see if there is something
 else going on. Good luck, I know it really sucks when something  
 like
 this happens.

 On Jul 10, 2009, at 12:02 AM, Mike Reiser wrote:

>
> Nothing else that was in the serge protector was effected.  The
> internet
> is connected through a netowrk drop on the wall.  My speakers are
> also
> plugged into the serge protector.  The keyboard isn't and it's  
> usb,
> and
> also the monitor adapter isn't.  What's wierd is it stopped  
> working
> after the Apple store employee had me reset the pram.  Thanks,
>
> Mike


>

>>>

>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: Query regarding using aliases

[Barry Hadder]

Hi,

I just went in to the aliases panel to create one for experimentation,  
but it's not letting me do it sense I'm running the trial.  So much  
for a fully functional evaluation.

You might try synchronizing the account from the mailbox menu.  Just  
as a side note, I noticed that when I set up my account, it didn't  
automatically set up my email either.
On Jul 27, 2009, at 9:58 AM, Simon Cavendish wrote:

>
> Dear Listers,
>
> I've created a new alias under my .me account. I understand from the
> manual that I should from the point of creation of such an alias have
> an option under "from" field to choose which alias appears in the
> field on the recipient computer. When I activate the "from" button, I
> can't see my alias. Should I be able to see it? I thought the idea of
> having an alias means that you can choose a different e-mail address
> so that the main .me address remains hidden from view. Is that right?
>
> Thanks for any clues.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Simon
>
> >


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Re: mac more sensative to lightning?

[Dan]

Hello Scott,
Boy, you gots that right!
Around 20 years or so ago, a large surge occurred in the local  
transformer, due to a squirrel on the wires. It wrecked an  
uninterrupted power supply that I had. But it didn't kill any of the  
equipment. In fact, after I got a statement from the power company,  
regarding the surge and what the spikes were, the manufacturer  
actually replaced my UPS.
However, from time to time, I have people tell me that I'm rather  
paranoid. Even a technician from the cable company told me the same  
thing. And I said that I wasn't going to change my attention toward  
the safety of my electronics and data.
Dan
On Jul 27, 2009, at 9:30 AM, Scott Howell wrote:

>
> Dan in my opinion, there is no such thing as overkill.  If your going
> to spend a thousand dollars or more on a machine, then there is no
> reason to spend $50 or even $100 on protecting it.  I haven't even
> taken into consideration the data that in some cases may not have a
> dollar value, but sure is worth something to you.  Believe me, I've
> lost data in the past despite my best backup solutions and loosing
> expensive hardware is a drag.  I know a number of folks who lost
> machines or parts there of do to a lack of good protection.
>
> On Jul 27, 2009, at 11:33 AM, Dan wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello,
>> My Uninterrupted power supply has cable and modem surge protection as
>> well. I use all my protection, I never bypass it. It may or may not  
>> be
>> over kill, but it works for me.
>> Dan
>>
>> On Jul 27, 2009, at 3:36 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I disagree.  There should be a surge protector/arrestor between the
>>> router and the wall jack.  So, you'd have in your example A as the
>>> walljack, B as the cable running from the wall jack, to C the surge
>>> protector/arrestor, D the cable from surge device, to e router, and
>>> so
>>> forth.  The point is you can't just put a surge suppressor on the
>>> electrical side, but at any point that connects to the outside world
>>> such as the phone lines or network beyond your own subnet.
>>>
>>> On Jul 27, 2009, at 3:15 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>>

 A router between the wall and the mac might help in the future.
 Consider
 it a bullet stopper to prevent the mac from being taken out.  Same
 principle applies why external modems are better than internal
 modems for
 PC's.  They're bullet stoppers which may or may not work in the
 event of a
 lightning strike.  A network switch connected to the router might
 also
 help.  But let's back this up a little so you can picture this
 better.
 Letters connect to each other in order with what I'm about to  
 write.
 Given, a is the wall jack, b is wire connected to wall jack, c is
 router
 connected to b, d is wire going out of router, e is network switch
 connected to d, f is wire going out of network switch, and g is  
 your
 mac
 connected in the ethernet port to f.



 On Fri, 10 Jul 2009, Scott Howell wrote:

>
> I don't know what to tell you, but everything that that is
> connected
> to the electrical mains or to a network drop should be routed
> through
> a surge protector. This will help, but of course is no guarantee
> and
> there may very well be some components, which are affected more
> than
> others. I guess I've just been very lucky and if you have
> homeowners
> insurance, they may very well cover it if the machine is  
> completely
> toasted. I can't possibly imagine why resetting the pram would  
> have
> such an impact though. If you have an Apple store/service  
> facility,
> might be worth having them look at it to see if there is something
> else going on. Good luck, I know it really sucks when something
> like
> this happens.
>
> On Jul 10, 2009, at 12:02 AM, Mike Reiser wrote:
>
>>
>> Nothing else that was in the serge protector was effected.  The
>> internet
>> is connected through a netowrk drop on the wall.  My speakers are
>> also
>> plugged into the serge protector.  The keyboard isn't and it's
>> usb,
>> and
>> also the monitor adapter isn't.  What's wierd is it stopped
>> working
>> after the Apple store employee had me reset the pram.  Thanks,
>>
>> Mike
>
>
>>
>

>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: mac more sensitive to lightning?

[Chris G]

Hi,
I'd rather lose a machine then lose the data.

Some data you just can't get back.

I have data from 1992 in WordPerfect 5.1 for dos format.

I make multiple backups of all my machines.

Chris



On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 12:30:56 -0400
Scott Howell  wrote:

> 
> Dan in my opinion, there is no such thing as overkill.  If your going  
> to spend a thousand dollars or more on a machine, then there is no  
> reason to spend $50 or even $100 on protecting it.  I haven't even  
> taken into consideration the data that in some cases may not have a  
> dollar value, but sure is worth something to you.  Believe me, I've  
> lost data in the past despite my best backup solutions and loosing  
> expensive hardware is a drag.  I know a number of folks who lost  
> machines or parts there of do to a lack of good protection.
> 
> On Jul 27, 2009, at 11:33 AM, Dan wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hello,
> > My Uninterrupted power supply has cable and modem surge protection as
> > well. I use all my protection, I never bypass it. It may or may not be
> > over kill, but it works for me.
> > Dan
> >
> > On Jul 27, 2009, at 3:36 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I disagree.  There should be a surge protector/arrestor between the
> >> router and the wall jack.  So, you'd have in your example A as the
> >> walljack, B as the cable running from the wall jack, to C the surge
> >> protector/arrestor, D the cable from surge device, to e router, and  
> >> so
> >> forth.  The point is you can't just put a surge suppressor on the
> >> electrical side, but at any point that connects to the outside world
> >> such as the phone lines or network beyond your own subnet.
> >>
> >> On Jul 27, 2009, at 3:15 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> A router between the wall and the mac might help in the future.
> >>> Consider
> >>> it a bullet stopper to prevent the mac from being taken out.  Same
> >>> principle applies why external modems are better than internal
> >>> modems for
> >>> PC's.  They're bullet stoppers which may or may not work in the
> >>> event of a
> >>> lightning strike.  A network switch connected to the router might
> >>> also
> >>> help.  But let's back this up a little so you can picture this
> >>> better.
> >>> Letters connect to each other in order with what I'm about to write.
> >>> Given, a is the wall jack, b is wire connected to wall jack, c is
> >>> router
> >>> connected to b, d is wire going out of router, e is network switch
> >>> connected to d, f is wire going out of network switch, and g is your
> >>> mac
> >>> connected in the ethernet port to f.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, 10 Jul 2009, Scott Howell wrote:
> >>>
> 
>  I don't know what to tell you, but everything that that is  
>  connected
>  to the electrical mains or to a network drop should be routed
>  through
>  a surge protector. This will help, but of course is no guarantee  
>  and
>  there may very well be some components, which are affected more  
>  than
>  others. I guess I've just been very lucky and if you have  
>  homeowners
>  insurance, they may very well cover it if the machine is completely
>  toasted. I can't possibly imagine why resetting the pram would have
>  such an impact though. If you have an Apple store/service facility,
>  might be worth having them look at it to see if there is something
>  else going on. Good luck, I know it really sucks when something  
>  like
>  this happens.
> 
>  On Jul 10, 2009, at 12:02 AM, Mike Reiser wrote:
> 
> >
> > Nothing else that was in the serge protector was effected.  The
> > internet
> > is connected through a netowrk drop on the wall.  My speakers are
> > also
> > plugged into the serge protector.  The keyboard isn't and it's  
> > usb,
> > and
> > also the monitor adapter isn't.  What's wierd is it stopped  
> > working
> > after the Apple store employee had me reset the pram.  Thanks,
> >
> > Mike
> 
> 
> >
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >
> >
> > >
> 
> 
> 

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podcasts

[william lomas]

hi all, can i set up my nano so that when i have played through 
the  
podcast on it, they are deleted next time I sync with ITunes on the mac?
I think I read about this in the ITunes preferences somewhere?
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Re: mac more sensitive to lightning?

[Dan]

Hello Chris,
I don't want to run this thread into the ground, but.
It still amazes me how many times people tell me that I am being  
overly concerned and I don't agree with them at all. My equipment and  
in several cases, the data are really worth it and I don't plan to  
change my approach at all. I suppose that it bothers me that a lot of  
people just don't really have any real regard for the kind of  
insurance equipment protection and backing up data is really worth.
Like everyone else, I have also lost data and I try to do my best to  
keep things running smoothly.
Dan
On Jul 27, 2009, at 9:40 AM, Chris G wrote:

>
> Hi,
> I'd rather lose a machine then lose the data.
>
> Some data you just can't get back.
>
> I have data from 1992 in WordPerfect 5.1 for dos format.
>
> I make multiple backups of all my machines.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 12:30:56 -0400
> Scott Howell  wrote:
>
>>
>> Dan in my opinion, there is no such thing as overkill.  If your going
>> to spend a thousand dollars or more on a machine, then there is no
>> reason to spend $50 or even $100 on protecting it.  I haven't even
>> taken into consideration the data that in some cases may not have a
>> dollar value, but sure is worth something to you.  Believe me, I've
>> lost data in the past despite my best backup solutions and loosing
>> expensive hardware is a drag.  I know a number of folks who lost
>> machines or parts there of do to a lack of good protection.
>>
>> On Jul 27, 2009, at 11:33 AM, Dan wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>> My Uninterrupted power supply has cable and modem surge protection  
>>> as
>>> well. I use all my protection, I never bypass it. It may or may  
>>> not be
>>> over kill, but it works for me.
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> On Jul 27, 2009, at 3:36 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>>

 I disagree.  There should be a surge protector/arrestor between the
 router and the wall jack.  So, you'd have in your example A as the
 walljack, B as the cable running from the wall jack, to C the surge
 protector/arrestor, D the cable from surge device, to e router, and
 so
 forth.  The point is you can't just put a surge suppressor on the
 electrical side, but at any point that connects to the outside  
 world
 such as the phone lines or network beyond your own subnet.

 On Jul 27, 2009, at 3:15 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

>
> A router between the wall and the mac might help in the future.
> Consider
> it a bullet stopper to prevent the mac from being taken out.  Same
> principle applies why external modems are better than internal
> modems for
> PC's.  They're bullet stoppers which may or may not work in the
> event of a
> lightning strike.  A network switch connected to the router might
> also
> help.  But let's back this up a little so you can picture this
> better.
> Letters connect to each other in order with what I'm about to  
> write.
> Given, a is the wall jack, b is wire connected to wall jack, c is
> router
> connected to b, d is wire going out of router, e is network switch
> connected to d, f is wire going out of network switch, and g is  
> your
> mac
> connected in the ethernet port to f.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 10 Jul 2009, Scott Howell wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't know what to tell you, but everything that that is
>> connected
>> to the electrical mains or to a network drop should be routed
>> through
>> a surge protector. This will help, but of course is no guarantee
>> and
>> there may very well be some components, which are affected more
>> than
>> others. I guess I've just been very lucky and if you have
>> homeowners
>> insurance, they may very well cover it if the machine is  
>> completely
>> toasted. I can't possibly imagine why resetting the pram would  
>> have
>> such an impact though. If you have an Apple store/service  
>> facility,
>> might be worth having them look at it to see if there is  
>> something
>> else going on. Good luck, I know it really sucks when something
>> like
>> this happens.
>>
>> On Jul 10, 2009, at 12:02 AM, Mike Reiser wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Nothing else that was in the serge protector was effected.  The
>>> internet
>>> is connected through a netowrk drop on the wall.  My speakers  
>>> are
>>> also
>>> plugged into the serge protector.  The keyboard isn't and it's
>>> usb,
>>> and
>>> also the monitor adapter isn't.  What's wierd is it stopped
>>> working
>>> after the Apple store employee had me reset the pram.  Thanks,
>>>
>>> Mike
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>
>>


>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>
>
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>
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Re: Adium versus IChat

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Max,

Thanks for the welcome.  I'm excited about my Mac, and about being on  
the list.  I've already gotten lots of great information, just lurking  
these last few days!

I had actually been wondering if IChat  had any limitations around  
what types of IDs you could enter.  thanks for the clarification.
Best,
Donna
On Jul 27, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote:

>
> Hi Donna;  welcome to the list.  the main reason is that ichat is
> limited in what kinds of accounts it will take when entering buddies.
> You cannot enter a yahoo id.  and lets face it most of my contacts
> have yahoo i d's.  Hope that helps, Max
> On Jul 27, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> My name is Donna Goodin, and I just joined this group last week.
>>
>> I am listening to Mike's podcast.  I'm curious, is there a reason to
>> use
>> Adium instead of IChat?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 9:18 PM
>>> To: MacVisionaries
>>> Subject: pod cast number 9
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi everyone. Just wanted to let everyone know that my 9th pod cast  
>>> is
>>> now on blind cool tech. In this one, I look at the instant messaging
>>> client adium, also we take a look at a program called pzizz which
>>> will
>>> create relaxation sound files, and I look at a great backup program
>>> for the mac called super duper. I also tie up some loose ends from
>>> pod
>>> cast 8 about the nfb braille monitor article. Here is the link.
>>> http://media.libsyn.com/media/bct/bct1372MacDemo9.mp3
>>>

>>>
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huge bug in itunes

[william lomas]

hi when i was in a tree i highlighted all the podcasts for the 
open  
branch and hit delete but it seems to ahve deleted every single  
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Re: Adium versus IChat

[Maxwell Ivey Jr.]

Hi Donna;  when i started here less than  a year ago, there were a lot  
of people here who helped me as well.  I rarely get to have the  
answer, so i'm having a good day. let us know if we can help.  take  
care, Max
On Jun 27, 2009, at 12:04 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:

>
> Hi Max,
>
> Thanks for the welcome.  I'm excited about my Mac, and about being on
> the list.  I've already gotten lots of great information, just lurking
> these last few days!
>
> I had actually been wondering if IChat  had any limitations around
> what types of IDs you could enter.  thanks for the clarification.
> Best,
> Donna
> On Jul 27, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Donna;  welcome to the list.  the main reason is that ichat is
>> limited in what kinds of accounts it will take when entering buddies.
>> You cannot enter a yahoo id.  and lets face it most of my contacts
>> have yahoo i d's.  Hope that helps, Max
>> On Jul 27, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> My name is Donna Goodin, and I just joined this group last week.
>>>
>>> I am listening to Mike's podcast.  I'm curious, is there a reason to
>>> use
>>> Adium instead of IChat?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
>>>
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
 Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 9:18 PM
 To: MacVisionaries
 Subject: pod cast number 9


 Hi everyone. Just wanted to let everyone know that my 9th pod cast
 is
 now on blind cool tech. In this one, I look at the instant  
 messaging
 client adium, also we take a look at a program called pzizz which
 will
 create relaxation sound files, and I look at a great backup program
 for the mac called super duper. I also tie up some loose ends from
 pod
 cast 8 about the nfb braille monitor article. Here is the link.
 http://media.libsyn.com/media/bct/bct1372MacDemo9.mp3

>

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>>>
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I set my iChat. If anyone wishes to add me.

[Jenny Kennedy (Howard)]

Hi guys,

I set up my iChat program.  Haven't ever used it.  Have used Audim but  
didn't like it so thought I'd try this.  If you wish you can add me by  
adding the following email that I'm not sure if it is a real usable  
Email or just something for ichat. Anyway here it is...

blueskyes9112...@mac.com

Or if you've AIM. It takes AIM people too...



###



Best Wishes
Jenny Kennedy (Howard)
blueskyes9112...@gmail.com
Olathe, Kansas USA

Join me on FaceBook:
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Power Twitter client accessible via VoiceOver recommendations needed

[Kevin Fjelsted]

I would love to do all of my twitter work from the Mac and stop using
OutTwit. Currently I have 2500 followers and I receive about 16,000
tweets daily from these followers. I actively track about 150
followers which means that I need to read there tweets every day. This
tweet number that I actively read is about 2000.
What experiences do folks have with various VO accessible twitter
clients that will handle this mission?
The main requirements are:   1)  filtering out all the non-essential
tweets and prioritizing the remaining priority tweets  by group.
2) Pulling in all the tweets i.e., in OutTwit I increased the API call
size so it pulls in a max of 200 tweets per call. Before I did this I
was loosing tweets because of the large number of tweets coming in.
-Kevin

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Re: Adium versus IChat

[John Panarese]

   Adium definitely supports more types of clients.  This is why I  
use it.  However, iChat does audio and video chats, which is also the  
reason why I will go to that as well.  Keep in mind also that iChat  
can be configured to read incoming messages and sound audio  
notifications, just as Adium does.


Take Care

John Panarese

On Jun 27, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:

>
> Hi Max,
>
> Thanks for the welcome.  I'm excited about my Mac, and about being on
> the list.  I've already gotten lots of great information, just lurking
> these last few days!
>
> I had actually been wondering if IChat  had any limitations around
> what types of IDs you could enter.  thanks for the clarification.
> Best,
> Donna
> On Jul 27, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Donna;  welcome to the list.  the main reason is that ichat is
>> limited in what kinds of accounts it will take when entering buddies.
>> You cannot enter a yahoo id.  and lets face it most of my contacts
>> have yahoo i d's.  Hope that helps, Max
>> On Jul 27, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> My name is Donna Goodin, and I just joined this group last week.
>>>
>>> I am listening to Mike's podcast.  I'm curious, is there a reason to
>>> use
>>> Adium instead of IChat?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
>>>
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
 Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 9:18 PM
 To: MacVisionaries
 Subject: pod cast number 9


 Hi everyone. Just wanted to let everyone know that my 9th pod cast
 is
 now on blind cool tech. In this one, I look at the instant  
 messaging
 client adium, also we take a look at a program called pzizz which
 will
 create relaxation sound files, and I look at a great backup program
 for the mac called super duper. I also tie up some loose ends from
 pod
 cast 8 about the nfb braille monitor article. Here is the link.
 http://media.libsyn.com/media/bct/bct1372MacDemo9.mp3

>

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Re: Power Twitter client accessible via VoiceOver recommendations needed

[Michael Babcock]

hi;
I'm not sure, but i think syrinx can do this.
mike

On Jul 27, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Kevin Fjelsted wrote:

>
> I would love to do all of my twitter work from the Mac and stop using
> OutTwit. Currently I have 2500 followers and I receive about 16,000
> tweets daily from these followers. I actively track about 150
> followers which means that I need to read there tweets every day. This
> tweet number that I actively read is about 2000.
> What experiences do folks have with various VO accessible twitter
> clients that will handle this mission?
> The main requirements are:   1)  filtering out all the non-essential
> tweets and prioritizing the remaining priority tweets  by group.
> 2) Pulling in all the tweets i.e., in OutTwit I increased the API call
> size so it pulls in a max of 200 tweets per call. Before I did this I
> was loosing tweets because of the large number of tweets coming in.
> -Kevin
>
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Re: Adium versus IChat

[william lomas]

IChat can't do MSN if it could I would make this my perminant client

On 27 Jul 2009, at 19:28, John Panarese wrote:

>
>   Adium definitely supports more types of clients.  This is why I
> use it.  However, iChat does audio and video chats, which is also the
> reason why I will go to that as well.  Keep in mind also that iChat
> can be configured to read incoming messages and sound audio
> notifications, just as Adium does.
>
>
> Take Care
>
> John Panarese
>
> On Jun 27, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Max,
>>
>> Thanks for the welcome.  I'm excited about my Mac, and about being on
>> the list.  I've already gotten lots of great information, just  
>> lurking
>> these last few days!
>>
>> I had actually been wondering if IChat  had any limitations around
>> what types of IDs you could enter.  thanks for the clarification.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> On Jul 27, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Donna;  welcome to the list.  the main reason is that ichat is
>>> limited in what kinds of accounts it will take when entering  
>>> buddies.
>>> You cannot enter a yahoo id.  and lets face it most of my contacts
>>> have yahoo i d's.  Hope that helps, Max
>>> On Jul 27, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>>

 Hi all,

 My name is Donna Goodin, and I just joined this group last week.

 I am listening to Mike's podcast.  I'm curious, is there a reason  
 to
 use
 Adium instead of IChat?
 Thanks,
 Donna

> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 9:18 PM
> To: MacVisionaries
> Subject: pod cast number 9
>
>
> Hi everyone. Just wanted to let everyone know that my 9th pod cast
> is
> now on blind cool tech. In this one, I look at the instant
> messaging
> client adium, also we take a look at a program called pzizz which
> will
> create relaxation sound files, and I look at a great backup  
> program
> for the mac called super duper. I also tie up some loose ends from
> pod
> cast 8 about the nfb braille monitor article. Here is the link.
> http://media.libsyn.com/media/bct/bct1372MacDemo9.mp3
>
>>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.30/2263 - Release Date:
> 07/26/09 17:59:00


>
>>>
>>>

>>>
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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RE: Adium versus IChat

[Donna Goodin]

Thanks, John.  On a related note, I noticed that Anna posted last week about
external mikes.  Am I correct that the MacBook Pro has a built-in mike?  If
yes, do you have to do anything to use it, say in a video-chat situation?
Thanks,
Donna

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> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese
> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 2:29 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Adium versus IChat
> 
> 
>Adium definitely supports more types of clients.  This is why I
> use it.  However, iChat does audio and video chats, which is also the
> reason why I will go to that as well.  Keep in mind also that iChat
> can be configured to read incoming messages and sound audio
> notifications, just as Adium does.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John Panarese
> 
> On Jun 27, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hi Max,
> >
> > Thanks for the welcome.  I'm excited about my Mac, and about being on
> > the list.  I've already gotten lots of great information, just
> lurking
> > these last few days!
> >
> > I had actually been wondering if IChat  had any limitations around
> > what types of IDs you could enter.  thanks for the clarification.
> > Best,
> > Donna
> > On Jul 27, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hi Donna;  welcome to the list.  the main reason is that ichat is
> >> limited in what kinds of accounts it will take when entering
> buddies.
> >> You cannot enter a yahoo id.  and lets face it most of my contacts
> >> have yahoo i d's.  Hope that helps, Max
> >> On Jul 27, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> My name is Donna Goodin, and I just joined this group last week.
> >>>
> >>> I am listening to Mike's podcast.  I'm curious, is there a reason
> to
> >>> use
> >>> Adium instead of IChat?
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Donna
> >>>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
>  Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 9:18 PM
>  To: MacVisionaries
>  Subject: pod cast number 9
> 
> 
>  Hi everyone. Just wanted to let everyone know that my 9th pod cast
>  is
>  now on blind cool tech. In this one, I look at the instant
>  messaging
>  client adium, also we take a look at a program called pzizz which
>  will
>  create relaxation sound files, and I look at a great backup
> program
>  for the mac called super duper. I also tie up some loose ends from
>  pod
>  cast 8 about the nfb braille monitor article. Here is the link.
>  http://media.libsyn.com/media/bct/bct1372MacDemo9.mp3
> 
> >
> 
>  No virus found in this incoming message.
>  Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>  Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.30/2263 - Release Date:
>  07/26/09 17:59:00
> >>>
> >>>
> 
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> > >
> 
> 
> > 
> 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
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RE: Adium versus IChat

[Donna Goodin]

Hmm. Thanks.
Donna

> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of william lomas
> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 2:42 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Adium versus IChat
> 
> 
> IChat can't do MSN if it could I would make this my perminant client
> 
> On 27 Jul 2009, at 19:28, John Panarese wrote:
> 
> >
> >   Adium definitely supports more types of clients.  This is why I
> > use it.  However, iChat does audio and video chats, which is also the
> > reason why I will go to that as well.  Keep in mind also that iChat
> > can be configured to read incoming messages and sound audio
> > notifications, just as Adium does.
> >
> >
> > Take Care
> >
> > John Panarese
> >
> > On Jun 27, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hi Max,
> >>
> >> Thanks for the welcome.  I'm excited about my Mac, and about being
> on
> >> the list.  I've already gotten lots of great information, just
> >> lurking
> >> these last few days!
> >>
> >> I had actually been wondering if IChat  had any limitations around
> >> what types of IDs you could enter.  thanks for the clarification.
> >> Best,
> >> Donna
> >> On Jul 27, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Hi Donna;  welcome to the list.  the main reason is that ichat is
> >>> limited in what kinds of accounts it will take when entering
> >>> buddies.
> >>> You cannot enter a yahoo id.  and lets face it most of my contacts
> >>> have yahoo i d's.  Hope that helps, Max
> >>> On Jul 27, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> >>>
> 
>  Hi all,
> 
>  My name is Donna Goodin, and I just joined this group last week.
> 
>  I am listening to Mike's podcast.  I'm curious, is there a reason
>  to
>  use
>  Adium instead of IChat?
>  Thanks,
>  Donna
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
> > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 9:18 PM
> > To: MacVisionaries
> > Subject: pod cast number 9
> >
> >
> > Hi everyone. Just wanted to let everyone know that my 9th pod
> cast
> > is
> > now on blind cool tech. In this one, I look at the instant
> > messaging
> > client adium, also we take a look at a program called pzizz which
> > will
> > create relaxation sound files, and I look at a great backup
> > program
> > for the mac called super duper. I also tie up some loose ends
> from
> > pod
> > cast 8 about the nfb braille monitor article. Here is the link.
> > http://media.libsyn.com/media/bct/bct1372MacDemo9.mp3
> >
> >>
> >
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.30/2263 - Release Date:
> > 07/26/09 17:59:00
> 
> 
> >
> >>>
> >>>
> 
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >
> >
> > >
> 
> 
> > 
> 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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Re: connecting victor Stream to a Mac

[matthew T dyer]

I think what she wants is to connect to the mac without using fusion.   
In other words she wants to connect the vrstream to the machine  
without going into fusion and loading her vertual machine first and as  
for doing so I dobn't think it is possible but could be rong.

Matthew


On Jul 26, 2009, at 11:03 PM, Chris Polk wrote:

>
> Hi Anna:
> open fusion, then press command e for the settings for your virtual
> machine, there is buttons for battery, printer, and so on. there is a
> usb devices button, make sure that the inable usb 2.0 is checked, and
> connect usb devices is also checked.
>
> Hope this helps
> Chris
>
> On Jul 26, 2009, at 7:56 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have installed System Access on the Windows portion of my Mac (I'm
>> using Fusion). It is running fine, and I would like to be able to use
>> it to send DVS movies to my victor Stream. However, When I connect my
>> Stream and turn it on, the Stream doesn't say "Player connected," but
>> instead says the name of the last opened file, as it would if it
>> weren't connected to anything. So clearly the connection isn't being
>> made. What can I do to make this work?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Anna
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: connecting victor Stream to a Mac

[Chris Polk]

seems like fusion to me, look below,"i have installed system access"

On Jul 27, 2009, at 12:54 PM, matthew T dyer wrote:

>
> I think what she wants is to connect to the mac without using fusion.
> In other words she wants to connect the vrstream to the machine
> without going into fusion and loading her vertual machine first and as
> for doing so I dobn't think it is possible but could be rong.
>
> Matthew
>
>
> On Jul 26, 2009, at 11:03 PM, Chris Polk wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Anna:
>> open fusion, then press command e for the settings for your virtual
>> machine, there is buttons for battery, printer, and so on. there is a
>> usb devices button, make sure that the inable usb 2.0 is checked, and
>> connect usb devices is also checked.
>>
>> Hope this helps
>> Chris
>>
>> On Jul 26, 2009, at 7:56 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have installed System Access on the Windows portion of my Mac (I'm
>>> using Fusion). It is running fine, and I would like to be able to  
>>> use
>>> it to send DVS movies to my victor Stream. However, When I connect  
>>> my
>>> Stream and turn it on, the Stream doesn't say "Player connected,"  
>>> but
>>> instead says the name of the last opened file, as it would if it
>>> weren't connected to anything. So clearly the connection isn't being
>>> made. What can I do to make this work?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Anna
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: Power Twitter client accessible via VoiceOver recommendations needed

[Kevin Fjelsted]

I am trying syrinx. I definitely get a twitter timeline however it
seems to cut off after about 1000 tweets. Also I can open a search
window and search an individual and I can have multiple windows open
but they go away when I quit the app. The filters permit me to filter
people out but I can't see a way to filter people in.
-Kevin


Michael Babcock wrote:
> hi;
> I'm not sure, but i think syrinx can do this.
> mike
>
> On Jul 27, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Kevin Fjelsted wrote:
>
> >
> > I would love to do all of my twitter work from the Mac and stop using
> > OutTwit. Currently I have 2500 followers and I receive about 16,000
> > tweets daily from these followers. I actively track about 150
> > followers which means that I need to read there tweets every day. This
> > tweet number that I actively read is about 2000.
> > What experiences do folks have with various VO accessible twitter
> > clients that will handle this mission?
> > The main requirements are:   1)  filtering out all the non-essential
> > tweets and prioritizing the remaining priority tweets  by group.
> > 2) Pulling in all the tweets i.e., in OutTwit I increased the API call
> > size so it pulls in a max of 200 tweets per call. Before I did this I
> > was loosing tweets because of the large number of tweets coming in.
> > -Kevin
> >
> > >
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Re: connecting victor Stream to a Mac

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

I have had no problem with connectiong my Victor Stream to my  
Macintosh that is not running windows. there is even a small program  
called iStream that can assist with putting files in the correct  
directories on the Stream.

Jon

On Jul 27, 2009, at 3:54 PM, matthew T dyer wrote:

>
> I think what she wants is to connect to the mac without using fusion.
> In other words she wants to connect the Victor Stream to the machine
> without going into fusion and loading her virtual machine first and as
> for doing so I dobn't think it is possible but could be rong.
>
> Matthew
>
>
> On Jul 26, 2009, at 11:03 PM, Chris Polk wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Anna:
>> open fusion, then press command e for the settings for your virtual
>> machine, there is buttons for battery, printer, and so on. there is a
>> usb devices button, make sure that the inable usb 2.0 is checked, and
>> connect usb devices is also checked.
>>
>> Hope this helps
>> Chris
>>
>> On Jul 26, 2009, at 7:56 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have installed System Access on the Windows portion of my Mac (I'm
>>> using Fusion). It is running fine, and I would like to be able to  
>>> use
>>> it to send DVS movies to my victor Stream. However, When I connect  
>>> my
>>> Stream and turn it on, the Stream doesn't say "Player connected,"  
>>> but
>>> instead says the name of the last opened file, as it would if it
>>> weren't connected to anything. So clearly the connection isn't being
>>> made. What can I do to make this work?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Anna
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: Adium versus IChat

[John Panarese]

Hi Donna,
 The built in microphone works perfectly fine in iChat for audio  
or video conferencing.  I have used it plenty of times.  There is no  
real setup involved at all.

 As for MSN chat, technically, it is not supported, though there  
are ways to do this using Jabber.  However, someone more technically  
suited can give directions or they might be info in the list archives  
about that process.

Take Care

John D. Panarese
Managing Director
Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc.
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On Jul 27, 2009, at 2:55 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:

>
> Thanks, John.  On a related note, I noticed that Anna posted last  
> week about
> external mikes.  Am I correct that the MacBook Pro has a built-in  
> mike?  If
> yes, do you have to do anything to use it, say in a video-chat  
> situation?
> Thanks,
> Donna
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese
>> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 2:29 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Adium versus IChat
>>
>>
>>   Adium definitely supports more types of clients.  This is why I
>> use it.  However, iChat does audio and video chats, which is also the
>> reason why I will go to that as well.  Keep in mind also that iChat
>> can be configured to read incoming messages and sound audio
>> notifications, just as Adium does.
>>
>>
>> Take Care
>>
>> John Panarese
>>
>> On Jun 27, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Max,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the welcome.  I'm excited about my Mac, and about being  
>>> on
>>> the list.  I've already gotten lots of great information, just
>> lurking
>>> these last few days!
>>>
>>> I had actually been wondering if IChat  had any limitations around
>>> what types of IDs you could enter.  thanks for the clarification.
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
>>> On Jul 27, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote:
>>>

 Hi Donna;  welcome to the list.  the main reason is that ichat is
 limited in what kinds of accounts it will take when entering
>> buddies.
 You cannot enter a yahoo id.  and lets face it most of my contacts
 have yahoo i d's.  Hope that helps, Max
 On Jul 27, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> My name is Donna Goodin, and I just joined this group last week.
>
> I am listening to Mike's podcast.  I'm curious, is there a reason
>> to
> use
> Adium instead of IChat?
> Thanks,
> Donna
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
>> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 9:18 PM
>> To: MacVisionaries
>> Subject: pod cast number 9
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone. Just wanted to let everyone know that my 9th pod  
>> cast
>> is
>> now on blind cool tech. In this one, I look at the instant
>> messaging
>> client adium, also we take a look at a program called pzizz which
>> will
>> create relaxation sound files, and I look at a great backup
>> program
>> for the mac called super duper. I also tie up some loose ends  
>> from
>> pod
>> cast 8 about the nfb braille monitor article. Here is the link.
>> http://media.libsyn.com/media/bct/bct1372MacDemo9.mp3
>>
>>>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.30/2263 - Release Date:
>> 07/26/09 17:59:00
>
>
>>


>

>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.32/2266 - Release Date:
>> 07/27/09 05:58:00
>
>
> >


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Re: Modifying items on the top sites menu

[Chris Blouch]

Or you could just navigate to the bookmark button you want to delete, 
hit VO shift M for the contextual menu and then choose delete. You could 
also choose Show All Bookmarks from the Bookmarks menu (or command 
option B) and then in the left hand column navigate to Bookmarks Bar and 
then in the table on the right you can just navigate to the bookmark you 
don't want and hit delete. Probably a few other ways to do it.

CB

Barry Hadder wrote:
> According to the Safari help, there is supposedly an 'x' at the top  
> left corner of the page.  You are supposed to click it to delete  
> individual pages.  It seems that it is invisible to VO.  There are  
> also indications in regards to how recently a page in top sites has  
> been updated that is also unreadable to VO.
>
> Looks like something to send feed back about to the Safari teem unless  
> someone else has the answer.
>
>
> On Jul 26, 2009, at 1:09 PM, Robert Carter wrote:
>
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have been working a lot with bookmarks in safari today. I have added
>> several bookmarks to my top sites menu. They are now listed
>> beautifully as buttons. I cannot for the life of me, figure out how to
>> delete or rename one of these items that are now top sites buttons.
>> Does anybody know how to do this with VoiceOver?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Robert Carter
>>
>> 
>
>
> >
>   

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Re: Adium versus IChat

[Donna Goodin]

Hi John,

this is good to know.  I don't know how much I'll be able to use  
IChat, like many others, most of my friends use MSN messenger.  But,  
I'm glad to know I can just use the built-in mike.  Hopefully I'll get  
a chance to try this out soon.

thanks for the info.
Best,
Donna
On Jul 27, 2009, at 3:58 PM, John Panarese wrote:

>
> Hi Donna,
> The built in microphone works perfectly fine in iChat for audio
> or video conferencing.  I have used it plenty of times.  There is no
> real setup involved at all.
>
> As for MSN chat, technically, it is not supported, though there
> are ways to do this using Jabber.  However, someone more technically
> suited can give directions or they might be info in the list archives
> about that process.
>
> Take Care
>
> John D. Panarese
> Managing Director
> Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc.
> 9 Nolan Court
> Hauppauge, NY 11788
> Tel/Fax, (631) 724-4479
> Email, t...@optonline.net
> Internet, http://www.tvi-web.com
>
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> DUXBURY, SEROTEK AND OTHER PRODUCTS FOR THE BLIND AND VISUALLY  
> IMPAIRED
>
>
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>
> On Jul 27, 2009, at 2:55 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks, John.  On a related note, I noticed that Anna posted last
>> week about
>> external mikes.  Am I correct that the MacBook Pro has a built-in
>> mike?  If
>> yes, do you have to do anything to use it, say in a video-chat
>> situation?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese
>>> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 2:29 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Adium versus IChat
>>>
>>>
>>>  Adium definitely supports more types of clients.  This is why I
>>> use it.  However, iChat does audio and video chats, which is also  
>>> the
>>> reason why I will go to that as well.  Keep in mind also that iChat
>>> can be configured to read incoming messages and sound audio
>>> notifications, just as Adium does.
>>>
>>>
>>> Take Care
>>>
>>> John Panarese
>>>
>>> On Jun 27, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>>

 Hi Max,

 Thanks for the welcome.  I'm excited about my Mac, and about being
 on
 the list.  I've already gotten lots of great information, just
>>> lurking
 these last few days!

 I had actually been wondering if IChat  had any limitations around
 what types of IDs you could enter.  thanks for the clarification.
 Best,
 Donna
 On Jul 27, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote:

>
> Hi Donna;  welcome to the list.  the main reason is that ichat is
> limited in what kinds of accounts it will take when entering
>>> buddies.
> You cannot enter a yahoo id.  and lets face it most of my contacts
> have yahoo i d's.  Hope that helps, Max
> On Jul 27, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> My name is Donna Goodin, and I just joined this group last week.
>>
>> I am listening to Mike's podcast.  I'm curious, is there a reason
>>> to
>> use
>> Adium instead of IChat?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike  
>>> Arrigo
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 9:18 PM
>>> To: MacVisionaries
>>> Subject: pod cast number 9
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi everyone. Just wanted to let everyone know that my 9th pod
>>> cast
>>> is
>>> now on blind cool tech. In this one, I look at the instant
>>> messaging
>>> client adium, also we take a look at a program called pzizz  
>>> which
>>> will
>>> create relaxation sound files, and I look at a great backup
>>> program
>>> for the mac called super duper. I also tie up some loose ends
>>> from
>>> pod
>>> cast 8 about the nfb braille monitor article. Here is the link.
>>> http://media.libsyn.com/media/bct/bct1372MacDemo9.mp3
>>>

>>>
>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>> Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.30/2263 - Release  
>>> Date:
>>> 07/26/09 17:59:00
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
>>
>


>
>>>
>>>

>>>
>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>> Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.32/2266 - Release Date:
>>> 07/27/09 05:58:00
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >
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Re: Adium versus IChat

[Donna Goodin]

Thanks.
Donna
On Jul 27, 2009, at 4:26 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

> It has a built in mike but for best performance you might want to  
> use headphones. If you turn up the speakers you can sometimes get an  
> echo when the mike picks them up.
>
> CB
>
> Donna Goodin wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, John.  On a related note, I noticed that Anna posted last  
>> week about
>> external mikes.  Am I correct that the MacBook Pro has a built-in  
>> mike?  If
>> yes, do you have to do anything to use it, say in a video-chat  
>> situation?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>>
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese
>>> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 2:29 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Adium versus IChat
>>>
>>>
>>>Adium definitely supports more types of clients.  This is  
>>> why I
>>> use it.  However, iChat does audio and video chats, which is also  
>>> the
>>> reason why I will go to that as well.  Keep in mind also that iChat
>>> can be configured to read incoming messages and sound audio
>>> notifications, just as Adium does.
>>>
>>>
>>> Take Care
>>>
>>> John Panarese
>>>
>>> On Jun 27, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>>
>>>
 Hi Max,

 Thanks for the welcome.  I'm excited about my Mac, and about  
 being on
 the list.  I've already gotten lots of great information, just

>>> lurking
>>>
 these last few days!

 I had actually been wondering if IChat  had any limitations around
 what types of IDs you could enter.  thanks for the clarification.
 Best,
 Donna
 On Jul 27, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote:


> Hi Donna;  welcome to the list.  the main reason is that ichat is
> limited in what kinds of accounts it will take when entering
>
>>> buddies.
>>>
> You cannot enter a yahoo id.  and lets face it most of my contacts
> have yahoo i d's.  Hope that helps, Max
> On Jul 27, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> My name is Donna Goodin, and I just joined this group last week.
>>
>> I am listening to Mike's podcast.  I'm curious, is there a reason
>>
>>> to
>>>
>> use
>> Adium instead of IChat?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>>
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike  
>>> Arrigo
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 9:18 PM
>>> To: MacVisionaries
>>> Subject: pod cast number 9
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi everyone. Just wanted to let everyone know that my 9th pod  
>>> cast
>>> is
>>> now on blind cool tech. In this one, I look at the instant
>>> messaging
>>> client adium, also we take a look at a program called pzizz  
>>> which
>>> will
>>> create relaxation sound files, and I look at a great backup
>>>
>>> program
>>>
>>> for the mac called super duper. I also tie up some loose ends  
>>> from
>>> pod
>>> cast 8 about the nfb braille monitor article. Here is the link.
>>> http://media.libsyn.com/media/bct/bct1372MacDemo9.mp3
>>>
>>>
>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>> Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.30/2263 - Release  
>>> Date:
>>> 07/26/09 17:59:00
>>>
>>
>

>>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>
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Re: mac more sensative to lightning?

[Scott Howell]

WOw, I can't believe someone would actually tell you your being  
paranoid. After all, if that were true, the sale of ups and  
suppressors wouldn't exist. Ask my father, I just replaced the power  
supply in his PC a few months ago do to a brownout or surge. Point is,  
he went out and purchased a ups for $30. So, for $30 or so, he's got  
that backup now.

On Jul 27, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Dan wrote:

>
> Hello Scott,
> Boy, you gots that right!
> Around 20 years or so ago, a large surge occurred in the local
> transformer, due to a squirrel on the wires. It wrecked an
> uninterrupted power supply that I had. But it didn't kill any of the
> equipment. In fact, after I got a statement from the power company,
> regarding the surge and what the spikes were, the manufacturer
> actually replaced my UPS.
> However, from time to time, I have people tell me that I'm rather
> paranoid. Even a technician from the cable company told me the same
> thing. And I said that I wasn't going to change my attention toward
> the safety of my electronics and data.
> Dan


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Re: Modifying items on the top sites menu

[Robert Carter]

Hi,

i cannot get the VO shift m to bring up a menu when sitting on one of the 
bookmark buttons. I will take another look at the show all bookmarks option but 
I was not able to see the bookmarks from the top sites menu in that list of 
bookmarks. I will try that again if they are suppose to be there.

Robert Carter

- Original Message -
From: Chris Blouch 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, Jul 27, 2009 14:33:39
Subject: Re: Modifying items on the top sites menu

>
>
> 
> 
> Or you could just navigate to the bookmark button you want to delete, hit VO 
> shift M for the contextual menu and then choose delete. You could also choose 
> Show All Bookmarks from the Bookmarks menu (or command option B) and then in 
> the left hand column navigate to Bookmarks Bar and then in the table on the 
> right you can just navigate to the bookmark you don't want and hit delete. 
> Probably a few other ways to do it.
> 
> CB
> 
> Barry Hadder wrote: 
> According to the Safari help, there is supposedly an 'x' at the top  
> left corner of the page.  You are supposed to click it to delete  
> individual pages.  It seems that it is invisible to VO.  There are  
> also indications in regards to how recently a page in top sites has  
> been updated that is also unreadable to VO.
> 
> Looks like something to send feed back about to the Safari teem unless  
> someone else has the answer.
> 
> 
> On Jul 26, 2009, at 1:09 PM, Robert Carter wrote:
> 
>   
> Hi,
> 
> I have been working a lot with bookmarks in safari today. I have added
> several bookmarks to my top sites menu. They are now listed
> beautifully as buttons. I cannot for the life of me, figure out how to
> delete or rename one of these items that are now top sites buttons.
> Does anybody know how to do this with VoiceOver?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Robert Carter
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
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Re: Adium versus IChat

[Chris Blouch]

It has a built in mike but for best performance you might want to use 
headphones. If you turn up the speakers you can sometimes get an echo 
when the mike picks them up.

CB

Donna Goodin wrote:
> Thanks, John.  On a related note, I noticed that Anna posted last week about
> external mikes.  Am I correct that the MacBook Pro has a built-in mike?  If
> yes, do you have to do anything to use it, say in a video-chat situation?
> Thanks,
> Donna
>
>   
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese
>> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 2:29 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Adium versus IChat
>>
>>
>>Adium definitely supports more types of clients.  This is why I
>> use it.  However, iChat does audio and video chats, which is also the
>> reason why I will go to that as well.  Keep in mind also that iChat
>> can be configured to read incoming messages and sound audio
>> notifications, just as Adium does.
>>
>>
>> Take Care
>>
>> John Panarese
>>
>> On Jun 27, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Hi Max,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the welcome.  I'm excited about my Mac, and about being on
>>> the list.  I've already gotten lots of great information, just
>>>   
>> lurking
>> 
>>> these last few days!
>>>
>>> I had actually been wondering if IChat  had any limitations around
>>> what types of IDs you could enter.  thanks for the clarification.
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
>>> On Jul 27, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 Hi Donna;  welcome to the list.  the main reason is that ichat is
 limited in what kinds of accounts it will take when entering
 
>> buddies.
>> 
 You cannot enter a yahoo id.  and lets face it most of my contacts
 have yahoo i d's.  Hope that helps, Max
 On Jul 27, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

 
> Hi all,
>
> My name is Donna Goodin, and I just joined this group last week.
>
> I am listening to Mike's podcast.  I'm curious, is there a reason
>   
>> to
>> 
> use
> Adium instead of IChat?
> Thanks,
> Donna
>
>   
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
>> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 9:18 PM
>> To: MacVisionaries
>> Subject: pod cast number 9
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone. Just wanted to let everyone know that my 9th pod cast
>> is
>> now on blind cool tech. In this one, I look at the instant
>> messaging
>> client adium, also we take a look at a program called pzizz which
>> will
>> create relaxation sound files, and I look at a great backup
>> 
>> program
>> 
>> for the mac called super duper. I also tie up some loose ends from
>> pod
>> cast 8 about the nfb braille monitor article. Here is the link.
>> http://media.libsyn.com/media/bct/bct1372MacDemo9.mp3
>>
>> 
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.30/2263 - Release Date:
>> 07/26/09 17:59:00
>> 
>   
 
>>>   
>> 
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>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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Re: Modifying items on the top sites menu

[Barry Hadder]

We are talking about the "top sites" bar.  Not the book marks bar.


On Jul 27, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

> Or you could just navigate to the bookmark button you want to  
> delete, hit VO shift M for the contextual menu and then choose  
> delete. You could also choose Show All Bookmarks from the Bookmarks  
> menu (or command option B) and then in the left hand column navigate  
> to Bookmarks Bar and then in the table on the right you can just  
> navigate to the bookmark you don't want and hit delete. Probably a  
> few other ways to do it.
>
> CB
>
> Barry Hadder wrote:
>>
>> According to the Safari help, there is supposedly an 'x' at the top
>> left corner of the page.  You are supposed to click it to delete
>> individual pages.  It seems that it is invisible to VO.  There are
>> also indications in regards to how recently a page in top sites has
>> been updated that is also unreadable to VO.
>>
>> Looks like something to send feed back about to the Safari teem  
>> unless
>> someone else has the answer.
>>
>>
>> On Jul 26, 2009, at 1:09 PM, Robert Carter wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have been working a lot with bookmarks in safari today. I have  
>>> added
>>> several bookmarks to my top sites menu. They are now listed
>>> beautifully as buttons. I cannot for the life of me, figure out  
>>> how to
>>> delete or rename one of these items that are now top sites buttons.
>>> Does anybody know how to do this with VoiceOver?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Robert Carter
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> >


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Re: Modifying items on the top sites menu

[Chris Blouch]

Hmm. Not sure about  a top sites bar but if I go to the bookmarks bar 
and click the Top Sites button then navigate to the main page area and 
interact with it I can navigate to the end and find an Edit button. If I 
do that I can then go back to the various top sites and hit delete to 
remove a page. Is that what you were trying to do?

CB

Barry Hadder wrote:
> We are talking about the "top sites" bar.  Not the book marks bar.
>
>
> On Jul 27, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>
>   
>> Or you could just navigate to the bookmark button you want to  
>> delete, hit VO shift M for the contextual menu and then choose  
>> delete. You could also choose Show All Bookmarks from the Bookmarks  
>> menu (or command option B) and then in the left hand column navigate  
>> to Bookmarks Bar and then in the table on the right you can just  
>> navigate to the bookmark you don't want and hit delete. Probably a  
>> few other ways to do it.
>>
>> CB
>>
>> Barry Hadder wrote:
>> 
>>> According to the Safari help, there is supposedly an 'x' at the top
>>> left corner of the page.  You are supposed to click it to delete
>>> individual pages.  It seems that it is invisible to VO.  There are
>>> also indications in regards to how recently a page in top sites has
>>> been updated that is also unreadable to VO.
>>>
>>> Looks like something to send feed back about to the Safari teem  
>>> unless
>>> someone else has the answer.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 26, 2009, at 1:09 PM, Robert Carter wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>   
 Hi,

 I have been working a lot with bookmarks in safari today. I have  
 added
 several bookmarks to my top sites menu. They are now listed
 beautifully as buttons. I cannot for the life of me, figure out  
 how to
 delete or rename one of these items that are now top sites buttons.
 Does anybody know how to do this with VoiceOver?

 Thanks,

 Robert Carter


 
>>>
>>>
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Help, lost Vo Speech

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

I was just typing an email message.  I'm not sure what I did, I was  
trying to move to the end of the line with the fn key and the arrow  
keys.  Suddenly the voice stopped speaking, and I just heard clicks  
when I tried tonavigate with Vo Keys.  Anyone know what I might have  
done, and how I can get vo talking again?
TIA,
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Re: Modifying items on the top sites menu

[Robert Carter]

When you try to look at all bookmarks, top sites is not listed as one of the 
groups that can be looked at. I am not sure why it works this will?

Robert Carter

- Original Message -
From: Barry Hadder 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, Jul 27, 2009 14:44:54
Subject: Re: Modifying items on the top sites menu

>
>
> 
> We are talking about the "top sites" bar.  Not the book marks bar.
> 
> 
> On Jul 27, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
> 
> > Or you could just navigate to the bookmark button you want to  
> > delete, hit VO shift M for the contextual menu and then choose  
> > delete. You could also choose Show All Bookmarks from the Bookmarks  
> > menu (or command option B) and then in the left hand column navigate  
> > to Bookmarks Bar and then in the table on the right you can just  
> > navigate to the bookmark you don't want and hit delete. Probably a  
> > few other ways to do it.
> >
> > CB
> >
> > Barry Hadder wrote:
> >ar
> >ar According to the Safari help, there is supposedly an 'x' at the top
> >ar left corner of the page.  You are supposed to click it to delete
> >ar individual pages.  It seems that it is invisible to VO.  There are
> >ar also indications in regards to how recently a page in top sites has
> >ar been updated that is also unreadable to VO.
> >ar
> >ar Looks like something to send feed back about to the Safari teem  
> >ar unless
> >ar someone else has the answer.
> >ar
> >ar
> >ar On Jul 26, 2009, at 1:09 PM, Robert Carter wrote:
> >ar
> >ar
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I have been working a lot with bookmarks in safari today. I have  
> >>> added
> >>> several bookmarks to my top sites menu. They are now listed
> >>> beautifully as buttons. I cannot for the life of me, figure out  
> >>> how to
> >>> delete or rename one of these items that are now top sites buttons.
> >>> Does anybody know how to do this with VoiceOver?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Robert Carter
> >>>
> >>>
> >ar
> >ar
> >ar
> >ar
> >
> > >
> 
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Re: Improving re-arranging items in table views on OS X

[Chris Blouch]

What happens if I have multiple discontiguous rows selected and I option 
up arrow? Do all the rows get inserted one row above where the top 
selected row used to be? Probably the worst case scenario for complexity 
but something to consider.

CB

Martin Pilkington wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I haven't posted for a while so for those who don't remember me, my  
> name is Martin and I'm a Mac software developer. I'm currently having  
> a problem with making one of my applications accessible, but in an  
> easy to use way. There is a lot of drag & drop functionality in my  
> application. Some of it is easy, such as using copy and paste to get  
> items from the library to the collections (like with putting songs  
> into playlists in iTunes). However, some of it is hard, such as re- 
> arranging items. You can do copy/cut and paste but this is a bit  
> awkward. I've also been pointed to how to do drag & drop with voice  
> over but to me that seems quite tedious.
>
> I believe I have a solution that seems to me like it would be a lot  
> simpler, but I wanted to get the opinion of some blind users about  
> whether they would find it more useful. The solution is that if you  
> hold down the option key and press the up or down arrow keys, it will  
> move the selected table rows up or down one place. To me it seems to  
> be a better way to re-arrange items with a keyboard for all users, but  
> the main aim of it is to improve accessibility. I will end up open  
> sourcing any solution and pushing for other developers to include it  
> in their applications so hopefully it can become some sort of a  
> standard.
>
> Any thoughts anyone has would be much appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> Martin
>
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Re: Help, lost Vo Speech

[Mark Baxter]

Try turning VoiceOver off and on again with command F5 and function  
Command F5, if all else fails.


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RE: Help, lost Vo Speech

[Donna Goodin]

Thanks, Mark, it worked. Phew!  That was a little unnerving.
Best,
Donna

> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Baxter
> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 5:07 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Help, lost Vo Speech
> 
> 
> Try turning VoiceOver off and on again with command F5 and function
> Command F5, if all else fails.
> 
> 
> Mark BurningHawk
> 
> Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
> MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
> My home page:
> http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
> 
> 
> > 
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Re: Query regarding using aliases

[Simon Cavendish]

Hi Barry,

I've tried synchronising my .me account but it didn't change the  
thing. Thanks for trying on my behalf. Maybe I do not fully understand  
the concept of aliases.

Best wishes

Simon
On 27 Jul 2009, at 17:31, Barry Hadder wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> I just went in to the aliases panel to create one for experimentation,
> but it's not letting me do it sense I'm running the trial.  So much
> for a fully functional evaluation.
>
> You might try synchronizing the account from the mailbox menu.  Just
> as a side note, I noticed that when I set up my account, it didn't
> automatically set up my email either.
> On Jul 27, 2009, at 9:58 AM, Simon Cavendish wrote:
>
>>
>> Dear Listers,
>>
>> I've created a new alias under my .me account. I understand from the
>> manual that I should from the point of creation of such an alias have
>> an option under "from" field to choose which alias appears in the
>> field on the recipient computer. When I activate the "from" button, I
>> can't see my alias. Should I be able to see it? I thought the idea of
>> having an alias means that you can choose a different e-mail address
>> so that the main .me address remains hidden from view. Is that right?
>>
>> Thanks for any clues.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>>
>
>
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Re: Modifying items on the top sites menu

[Barry Hadder]

Yes!

That does work.  Some times the solution is too obvious.  Especially if I try 
to read the help files.  

Adding them manually looks tricky though..  But he said that he did it so I 
guess it can be done.



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  From: Chris Blouch 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 3:53 PM
  Subject: Re: Modifying items on the top sites menu


  Hmm. Not sure about  a top sites bar but if I go to the bookmarks bar and 
click the Top Sites button then navigate to the main page area and interact 
with it I can navigate to the end and find an Edit button. If I do that I can 
then go back to the various top sites and hit delete to remove a page. Is that 
what you were trying to do?

  CB

  Barry Hadder wrote: 
We are talking about the "top sites" bar.  Not the book marks bar.


On Jul 27, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

  Or you could just navigate to the bookmark button you want to  
delete, hit VO shift M for the contextual menu and then choose  
delete. You could also choose Show All Bookmarks from the Bookmarks  
menu (or command option B) and then in the left hand column navigate  
to Bookmarks Bar and then in the table on the right you can just  
navigate to the bookmark you don't want and hit delete. Probably a  
few other ways to do it.

CB

Barry Hadder wrote:
According to the Safari help, there is supposedly an 'x' at the top
left corner of the page.  You are supposed to click it to delete
individual pages.  It seems that it is invisible to VO.  There are
also indications in regards to how recently a page in top sites has
been updated that is also unreadable to VO.

Looks like something to send feed back about to the Safari teem  
unless
someone else has the answer.


On Jul 26, 2009, at 1:09 PM, Robert Carter wrote:


  Hi,

I have been working a lot with bookmarks in safari today. I have  
added
several bookmarks to my top sites menu. They are now listed
beautifully as buttons. I cannot for the life of me, figure out  
how to
delete or rename one of these items that are now top sites buttons.
Does anybody know how to do this with VoiceOver?

Thanks,

Robert Carter




  


  
  

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Re: Query regarding using aliases

[Barry Hadder]

Everything I've read says that is the way it is supposed to work.  It might 
be that they haven't updated their documentation.  I'm sure that doing it 
the normal way will work in any event.  You may all ready know this, but you 
can just put all of your aliases in a cama separated list in the email 
address field in the account preferences dialog.  It's in the mail help. 
You might want to check it out incase I got something slightly off, but that 
is the jist.
Maybe that will help.

- Original Message - 
From: "Simon Cavendish" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: Query regarding using aliases


>
> Hi Barry,
>
> I've tried synchronising my .me account but it didn't change the
> thing. Thanks for trying on my behalf. Maybe I do not fully understand
> the concept of aliases.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Simon
> On 27 Jul 2009, at 17:31, Barry Hadder wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just went in to the aliases panel to create one for experimentation,
>> but it's not letting me do it sense I'm running the trial.  So much
>> for a fully functional evaluation.
>>
>> You might try synchronizing the account from the mailbox menu.  Just
>> as a side note, I noticed that when I set up my account, it didn't
>> automatically set up my email either.
>> On Jul 27, 2009, at 9:58 AM, Simon Cavendish wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Dear Listers,
>>>
>>> I've created a new alias under my .me account. I understand from the
>>> manual that I should from the point of creation of such an alias have
>>> an option under "from" field to choose which alias appears in the
>>> field on the recipient computer. When I activate the "from" button, I
>>> can't see my alias. Should I be able to see it? I thought the idea of
>>> having an alias means that you can choose a different e-mail address
>>> so that the main .me address remains hidden from view. Is that right?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any clues.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>

>>
>>
>> >
>
>
> >
> 


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Re: Help, lost Vo Speech

[Mark Baxter]

This is the HUGE advantage to having Voiceover integrated as part of  
the basic OS; if for whatever reason you need to, you can just restart  
it.  I've done it so many times that, when VO restarts, I've got it  
saying, "Oh, have we started again?"


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new facebook podcast

[Michael Babcock]

hi;
I did a podcast on using the main facebook site with voiceover. You  
can comment, and listen here:
http://gwfans.net/?p=530
if you wnat to talk about this, and the mods deem this "OT" then feel  
free to email me off list at:
michael.babc...@gwhosting.net
hope this helps someone.
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Re: Query regarding using aliases

[Esther]

Hi Simon and Barry,

Here's the way I use aliases. You don't need to do anything to sync after you 
set them up, but you might need to restart mail if you set up your aliases at 
the MobileMe web site while your mail app is open.  The following should work 
from your Apple mail app.

1. Command-R to reply to a message and type in your response
2. VO-Left arrow to the mail header.  Normally this would take you to the 
"From:" field.  You should now have a pop up button that lists the various mail 
aliases and the associated names.  For example, you could have an email address 
that you use only for mailing lists like simon_c AT me.com and another one for 
business related correspondence like s_cavendish AT me.com, and these can be 
separate from your main email account.  Dot Mac users who started services can 
use these with either the mac.com or me.com extensions, but new users can only 
use me.com.
3. Command-Shift-D to send the message.

Barry, I suspect the reason that creating mail aliases is disabled for trial 
subscriptions is that created aliases cannot be re-used by anyone.  So if you 
create lots of aliases and then discard them, you're taking those names 
permanently out of circulation for all current and future users.

Having aliases is a great way to separate out your activities. MobileMe does a 
good job of spam filtering (so does Gmail), but if you don't want to give your 
primary email address when you sign up for a trial software use or in order to 
download Stuffit Expander from Smith Micro, you can give a mail alias designed 
for this purpose and set up a smart mailbox to keep these messages separate.

HTH.

Cheers,

Esther

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Re: Modifying items on the top sites menu

[Robert Carter]

Hi,

I saw that edit button but couldn't tell that it did anything. I didn't 
actually try deleting with the edit button active. I will have to ttry that 
when I get home.

Thanks,

Robert Carter

- Original Message -
From: Chris Blouch 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, Jul 27, 2009 14:54:20
Subject: Re: Modifying items on the top sites menu

>
>
> 
> 
> Hmm. Not sure about  a top sites bar but if I go to the bookmarks bar and 
> click the Top Sites button then navigate to the main page area and interact 
> with it I can navigate to the end and find an Edit button. If I do that I can 
> then go back to the various top sites and hit delete to remove a page. Is 
> that what you were trying to do?
> 
> CB
> 
> Barry Hadder wrote: 
> We are talking about the "top sites" bar.  Not the book marks bar.
> 
> 
> On Jul 27, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
> 
>   
> Or you could just navigate to the bookmark button you want to  
> delete, hit VO shift M for the contextual menu and then choose  
> delete. You could also choose Show All Bookmarks from the Bookmarks  
> menu (or command option B) and then in the left hand column navigate  
> to Bookmarks Bar and then in the table on the right you can just  
> navigate to the bookmark you don't want and hit delete. Probably a  
> few other ways to do it.
> 
> CB
> 
> Barry Hadder wrote:
> 
> According to the Safari help, there is supposedly an 'x' at the top
> left corner of the page.  You are supposed to click it to delete
> individual pages.  It seems that it is invisible to VO.  There are
> also indications in regards to how recently a page in top sites has
> been updated that is also unreadable to VO.
> 
> Looks like something to send feed back about to the Safari teem  
> unless
> someone else has the answer.
> 
> 
> On Jul 26, 2009, at 1:09 PM, Robert Carter wrote:
> 
> 
>   
> Hi,
> 
> I have been working a lot with bookmarks in safari today. I have  
> added
> several bookmarks to my top sites menu. They are now listed
> beautifully as buttons. I cannot for the life of me, figure out  
> how to
> delete or rename one of these items that are now top sites buttons.
> Does anybody know how to do this with VoiceOver?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Robert Carter
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Improving re-arranging items in table views on OS X

[Martin Pilkington]

Hi Chris,

All rows get nudged up one space. When you reach the top or bottom of  
a table then they get nudged together. For example, if you have rows 2  
and 4 selected and hit shift-option-up then the they will move up to  
be rows 1 and 3. Then if you hit shift-option-up again row 1 won't  
move as it is at the top but row 3 will, so they will now be rows 1  
and 2.

I have a sample application up at http://dropbox.mcubedsw.com/M3TableView.zip 
  . As I said, once you have selected some rows you just hit shift- 
option and either the up or down arrow to shift the rows up or down.  
Hopefully it feels easier than current methods.

Martin

On 27 Jul 2009, at 10:05 pm, Chris Blouch wrote:

>
> What happens if I have multiple discontiguous rows selected and I  
> option
> up arrow? Do all the rows get inserted one row above where the top
> selected row used to be? Probably the worst case scenario for  
> complexity
> but something to consider.
>
> CB
>
> Martin Pilkington wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I haven't posted for a while so for those who don't remember me, my
>> name is Martin and I'm a Mac software developer. I'm currently having
>> a problem with making one of my applications accessible, but in an
>> easy to use way. There is a lot of drag & drop functionality in my
>> application. Some of it is easy, such as using copy and paste to get
>> items from the library to the collections (like with putting songs
>> into playlists in iTunes). However, some of it is hard, such as re-
>> arranging items. You can do copy/cut and paste but this is a bit
>> awkward. I've also been pointed to how to do drag & drop with voice
>> over but to me that seems quite tedious.
>>
>> I believe I have a solution that seems to me like it would be a lot
>> simpler, but I wanted to get the opinion of some blind users about
>> whether they would find it more useful. The solution is that if you
>> hold down the option key and press the up or down arrow keys, it will
>> move the selected table rows up or down one place. To me it seems to
>> be a better way to re-arrange items with a keyboard for all users,  
>> but
>> the main aim of it is to improve accessibility. I will end up open
>> sourcing any solution and pushing for other developers to include it
>> in their applications so hopefully it can become some sort of a
>> standard.
>>
>> Any thoughts anyone has would be much appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Martin
>>
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>>
>
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Re: connecting victor Stream to a Mac

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi,

I am trying to connect the Stream while running Windows through  
Fusion. I want to be able to put system Access content onto it. Is  
anyone doing this successfully?

Thanks,
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anyone drag and drop on websites

[Marie Howarth]

I'm currently trying to edit a web page and cannot seem to get the  
drag and drop to work properly. Has anyone successfully done the drag  
and drop technique successfully?
thanks
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Re: connecting victor Stream to a Mac

[Mike Arrigo]

Hi, there is a setting in fusion to determine whether usb devices are  
automatically connected, or if you must manually select to connect  
them from the menu, you can change this in the usb device settings.
On Jul 26, 2009, at 9:56 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> I have installed System Access on the Windows portion of my Mac (I'm
> using Fusion). It is running fine, and I would like to be able to use
> it to send DVS movies to my victor Stream. However, When I connect my
> Stream and turn it on, the Stream doesn't say "Player connected," but
> instead says the name of the last opened file, as it would if it
> weren't connected to anything. So clearly the connection isn't being
> made. What can I do to make this work?
>
> Thanks,
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>
>
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Re: mac mini without monitor and set up

[Dan]

Hello,
When you start the machine for the first time, you will hear the  
music. Then an announcement about if you already know how to use  
VoiceOver, just press Command F5 to start VO. You can set it up  
yourself. I have set up my different Macs without sighted assistance.
Dan
On Jul 27, 2009, at 4:02 PM, Marie Howarth wrote:

>
> Hey,
> I already have a macbook and I'm thinking of getting a mac mini. I
> know if you don't have the monitor you need the adapter to make the
> mini think there is one to prevent sluggish behaviour. My question is,
> how would you set up the mac independently without sighted assistance?
> I had to have someone hit the start voice over assistive set up thing
> on my mac book when I got it. but if you don't have a monitor, can
> this be achieved some way? I've never reinstalled my leopard yet,
> although I understand it can be done. simply, can I set up my mac mini
> without sighted assistance?
> thanks Marie
>
>
> >


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mac mini without monitor and set up

[Marie Howarth]

Hey,
I already have a macbook and I'm thinking of getting a mac mini. I  
know if you don't have the monitor you need the adapter to make the  
mini think there is one to prevent sluggish behaviour. My question is,  
how would you set up the mac independently without sighted assistance?  
I had to have someone hit the start voice over assistive set up thing  
on my mac book when I got it. but if you don't have a monitor, can  
this be achieved some way? I've never reinstalled my leopard yet,  
although I understand it can be done. simply, can I set up my mac mini  
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thanks Marie


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Re: mac mini without monitor and set up

[Marie Howarth]

thanks for this. not sure why mine didn't do this. but hopefullly when  
I get my mac mini it won't be so much trouble. :)

On Jul 28, 2009, at 12:10 AM, Dan wrote:

>
> Hello,
> When you start the machine for the first time, you will hear the
> music. Then an announcement about if you already know how to use
> VoiceOver, just press Command F5 to start VO. You can set it up
> yourself. I have set up my different Macs without sighted assistance.
> Dan
> On Jul 27, 2009, at 4:02 PM, Marie Howarth wrote:
>
>>
>> Hey,
>> I already have a macbook and I'm thinking of getting a mac mini. I
>> know if you don't have the monitor you need the adapter to make the
>> mini think there is one to prevent sluggish behaviour. My question  
>> is,
>> how would you set up the mac independently without sighted  
>> assistance?
>> I had to have someone hit the start voice over assistive set up thing
>> on my mac book when I got it. but if you don't have a monitor, can
>> this be achieved some way? I've never reinstalled my leopard yet,
>> although I understand it can be done. simply, can I set up my mac  
>> mini
>> without sighted assistance?
>> thanks Marie
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: mac mini without monitor and set up

[Esther]

Hi,

Marie, you might want to check whether running without a monitor will  
present a problem for the current generation Mac Mini and whether  
using an adapter helps at all in this case.  The reason for exercising  
some care here is that after the last round of discussions, where we  
hypothesized which new connector would work with the new model mini,  
additional information came to light that not only was the form factor  
of the video connector plug different, but it also passed signals in a  
different fashion. Previously, the connector passed analog signals,  
and it was not possible for your computer to check via the feedback  
whether or not your computer was connected to a monitor via that  
connector.  In the video out port connections of the new model mini,  
no analog signal gets passed and it's all digital.  That means it's  
possible for the system to check whether there is a monitor present at  
the other end.  Other features dependent on the connector have also  
changed, and I don't think you can play movies on a TV from your  
computer if you are using the new digital only video connector ports.   
That's not true of the older model Macs (or the older MacBooks).

So far I don't think we have any users who report they're using the  
new Mini without a monitor (with or without an adapter at the end).

HTH

Cheers,

Esther

On Jul 27, 2009, at 13:10, Dan wrote:

>
> Hello,
> When you start the machine for the first time, you will hear the
> music. Then an announcement about if you already know how to use
> VoiceOver, just press Command F5 to start VO. You can set it up
> yourself. I have set up my different Macs without sighted assistance.
> Dan
> On Jul 27, 2009, at 4:02 PM, Marie Howarth wrote:
>
>>
>> Hey,
>> I already have a macbook and I'm thinking of getting a mac mini. I
>> know if you don't have the monitor you need the adapter to make the
>> mini think there is one to prevent sluggish behaviour. My question  
>> is,
>> how would you set up the mac independently without sighted  
>> assistance?
>> I had to have someone hit the start voice over assistive set up thing
>> on my mac book when I got it. but if you don't have a monitor, can
>> this be achieved some way? I've never reinstalled my leopard yet,
>> although I understand it can be done. simply, can I set up my mac  
>> mini
>> without sighted assistance?
>> thanks Marie
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: mac mini without monitor and set up

[Marie Howarth]

thanks for this Ester. so are you saying I couldn't actually plug a  
mac mini into a television? It is something I am wanting to do  
eventually when i move into my own place so I will be purchasing a new  
television or does it simply have to be a monitor? and I will check  
with apple about this also?

On Jul 28, 2009, at 12:25 AM, Esther wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> Marie, you might want to check whether running without a monitor will
> present a problem for the current generation Mac Mini and whether
> using an adapter helps at all in this case.  The reason for exercising
> some care here is that after the last round of discussions, where we
> hypothesized which new connector would work with the new model mini,
> additional information came to light that not only was the form factor
> of the video connector plug different, but it also passed signals in a
> different fashion. Previously, the connector passed analog signals,
> and it was not possible for your computer to check via the feedback
> whether or not your computer was connected to a monitor via that
> connector.  In the video out port connections of the new model mini,
> no analog signal gets passed and it's all digital.  That means it's
> possible for the system to check whether there is a monitor present at
> the other end.  Other features dependent on the connector have also
> changed, and I don't think you can play movies on a TV from your
> computer if you are using the new digital only video connector ports.
> That's not true of the older model Macs (or the older MacBooks).
>
> So far I don't think we have any users who report they're using the
> new Mini without a monitor (with or without an adapter at the end).
>
> HTH
>
> Cheers,
>
> Esther
>
> On Jul 27, 2009, at 13:10, Dan wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello,
>> When you start the machine for the first time, you will hear the
>> music. Then an announcement about if you already know how to use
>> VoiceOver, just press Command F5 to start VO. You can set it up
>> yourself. I have set up my different Macs without sighted assistance.
>> Dan
>> On Jul 27, 2009, at 4:02 PM, Marie Howarth wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hey,
>>> I already have a macbook and I'm thinking of getting a mac mini. I
>>> know if you don't have the monitor you need the adapter to make the
>>> mini think there is one to prevent sluggish behaviour. My question
>>> is,
>>> how would you set up the mac independently without sighted
>>> assistance?
>>> I had to have someone hit the start voice over assistive set up  
>>> thing
>>> on my mac book when I got it. but if you don't have a monitor, can
>>> this be achieved some way? I've never reinstalled my leopard yet,
>>> although I understand it can be done. simply, can I set up my mac
>>> mini
>>> without sighted assistance?
>>> thanks Marie
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>>
>
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Re: mac mini without monitor and set up

[Mike Arrigo]

Hi, I had no problems setting up my mac mini, even without a monitor 
connected. What probably happened with your laptop was, the function keys 
were set for hardware functions instead of software. In that case, command 
function f5 will start voice over. The mac mini defaults to software 
function keys, so just pressing command f5 should do the trick.
- Original Message - 
From: "Marie Howarth" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 6:02 PM
Subject: mac mini without monitor and set up


>
> Hey,
> I already have a macbook and I'm thinking of getting a mac mini. I
> know if you don't have the monitor you need the adapter to make the
> mini think there is one to prevent sluggish behaviour. My question is,
> how would you set up the mac independently without sighted assistance?
> I had to have someone hit the start voice over assistive set up thing
> on my mac book when I got it. but if you don't have a monitor, can
> this be achieved some way? I've never reinstalled my leopard yet,
> although I understand it can be done. simply, can I set up my mac mini
> without sighted assistance?
> thanks Marie
>
>
> > 


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Re: new facebook podcast

[Jenny Kennedy (Howard)]

Michael,
Oh thank you thank you thank you!  This is awesome! Yay! I'm going to  
go download and listen right now.  What a nice happy thing to find in  
my in-box. :-)
###



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RE: mac mini without monitor and set up

[Blake Sinnett]

I've done some further testing. Using the new 2009 model Mac Mini, I hooked up 
the Mini-DVI to video adapter and launched Safari and browsed a few pages. 
Then, I unplugged the adapter and restarted the Mini. Once again, I launched 
Safari. It was quite unresponsive. It appears this adapter still works on the 
new Mac Minis.
 
> From: mori...@mac.com
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: mac mini without monitor and set up
> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:25:47 -1000
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Marie, you might want to check whether running without a monitor will 
> present a problem for the current generation Mac Mini and whether 
> using an adapter helps at all in this case. The reason for exercising 
> some care here is that after the last round of discussions, where we 
> hypothesized which new connector would work with the new model mini, 
> additional information came to light that not only was the form factor 
> of the video connector plug different, but it also passed signals in a 
> different fashion. Previously, the connector passed analog signals, 
> and it was not possible for your computer to check via the feedback 
> whether or not your computer was connected to a monitor via that 
> connector. In the video out port connections of the new model mini, 
> no analog signal gets passed and it's all digital. That means it's 
> possible for the system to check whether there is a monitor present at 
> the other end. Other features dependent on the connector have also 
> changed, and I don't think you can play movies on a TV from your 
> computer if you are using the new digital only video connector ports. 
> That's not true of the older model Macs (or the older MacBooks).
> 
> So far I don't think we have any users who report they're using the 
> new Mini without a monitor (with or without an adapter at the end).
> 
> HTH
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Jul 27, 2009, at 13:10, Dan wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hello,
> > When you start the machine for the first time, you will hear the
> > music. Then an announcement about if you already know how to use
> > VoiceOver, just press Command F5 to start VO. You can set it up
> > yourself. I have set up my different Macs without sighted assistance.
> > Dan
> > On Jul 27, 2009, at 4:02 PM, Marie Howarth wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hey,
> >> I already have a macbook and I'm thinking of getting a mac mini. I
> >> know if you don't have the monitor you need the adapter to make the
> >> mini think there is one to prevent sluggish behaviour. My question 
> >> is,
> >> how would you set up the mac independently without sighted 
> >> assistance?
> >> I had to have someone hit the start voice over assistive set up thing
> >> on my mac book when I got it. but if you don't have a monitor, can
> >> this be achieved some way? I've never reinstalled my leopard yet,
> >> although I understand it can be done. simply, can I set up my mac 
> >> mini
> >> without sighted assistance?
> >> thanks Marie
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >
> >
> > >
> 
> 
> > 

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Re: mac more sensative to lightning?

[Kieren]

Thats Exactly Right.  You can never have too much protection from
problems
on 'the grid'

In any case Mike How old is your surge suppressor?  They only have a
finite lifespan and
although they still pass through power after a surge it may be dead
and not stop
further surges.  Most filter boards will only stop 1 or 2 decent
surges, unless your using
it on the back of a power conditioner of course ;)

Can you see or get a sighted person to check the leds on the board?
there should be 2 lit (usually) one noting that power is on,
the other noting that filtering is also working.

if this is not the case and there is only the power one lit its time
to relegate that board to the "not working"
pile . it will still function perfectly as a power board just not as a
filter.

HTH

Kieren



On Jul 28, 4:38 am, Scott Howell  wrote:
> WOw, I can't believe someone would actually tell you your being  
> paranoid. After all, if that were true, the sale of ups and  
> suppressors wouldn't exist. Ask my father, I just replaced the power  
> supply in his PC a few months ago do to a brownout or surge. Point is,  
> he went out and purchased a ups for $30. So, for $30 or so, he's got  
> that backup now.
>
> On Jul 27, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Dan wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hello Scott,
> > Boy, you gots that right!
> > Around 20 years or so ago, a large surge occurred in the local
> > transformer, due to a squirrel on the wires. It wrecked an
> > uninterrupted power supply that I had. But it didn't kill any of the
> > equipment. In fact, after I got a statement from the power company,
> > regarding the surge and what the spikes were, the manufacturer
> > actually replaced my UPS.
> > However, from time to time, I have people tell me that I'm rather
> > paranoid. Even a technician from the cable company told me the same
> > thing. And I said that I wasn't going to change my attention toward
> > the safety of my electronics and data.
> > Dan
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Re: mac mini without monitor and set up

[Marie Howarth]

thanks for this Blake.

On Jul 28, 2009, at 1:05 AM, Blake Sinnett wrote:

> I've done some further testing. Using the new 2009 model Mac Mini, I  
> hooked up the Mini-DVI to video adapter and launched Safari and  
> browsed a few pages. Then, I unplugged the adapter and restarted the  
> Mini. Once again, I launched Safari. It was quite unresponsive. It  
> appears this adapter still works on the new Mac Minis.
>
> > From: mori...@mac.com
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: mac mini without monitor and set up
> > Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:25:47 -1000
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Marie, you might want to check whether running without a monitor  
> will
> > present a problem for the current generation Mac Mini and whether
> > using an adapter helps at all in this case. The reason for  
> exercising
> > some care here is that after the last round of discussions, where we
> > hypothesized which new connector would work with the new model mini,
> > additional information came to light that not only was the form  
> factor
> > of the video connector plug different, but it also passed signals  
> in a
> > different fashion. Previously, the connector passed analog signals,
> > and it was not possible for your computer to check via the feedback
> > whether or not your computer was connected to a monitor via that
> > connector. In the video out port connections of the new model mini,
> > no analog signal gets passed and it's all digital. That means it's
> > possible for the system to check whether there is a monitor  
> present at
> > the other end. Other features dependent on the connector have also
> > changed, and I don't think you can play movies on a TV from your
> > computer if you are using the new digital only video connector  
> ports.
> > That's not true of the older model Macs (or the older MacBooks).
> >
> > So far I don't think we have any users who report they're using the
> > new Mini without a monitor (with or without an adapter at the end).
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Esther
> >
> > On Jul 27, 2009, at 13:10, Dan wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > > When you start the machine for the first time, you will hear the
> > > music. Then an announcement about if you already know how to use
> > > VoiceOver, just press Command F5 to start VO. You can set it up
> > > yourself. I have set up my different Macs without sighted  
> assistance.
> > > Dan
> > > On Jul 27, 2009, at 4:02 PM, Marie Howarth wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Hey,
> > >> I already have a macbook and I'm thinking of getting a mac  
> mini. I
> > >> know if you don't have the monitor you need the adapter to make  
> the
> > >> mini think there is one to prevent sluggish behaviour. My  
> question
> > >> is,
> > >> how would you set up the mac independently without sighted
> > >> assistance?
> > >> I had to have someone hit the start voice over assistive set up  
> thing
> > >> on my mac book when I got it. but if you don't have a monitor,  
> can
> > >> this be achieved some way? I've never reinstalled my leopard yet,
> > >> although I understand it can be done. simply, can I set up my mac
> > >> mini
> > >> without sighted assistance?
> > >> thanks Marie
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> >


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Re: Adium versus IChat

[Paul Oeser]

I would prefer using iChat and it works great;  But it no longer supports 
MSN AKA Windows Live Messenger.  It does work well with AIM.
At 10:28 AM 7/27/2009, you wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>My name is Donna Goodin, and I just joined this group last week.
>
>I am listening to Mike's podcast.  I'm curious, is there a reason to use
>Adium instead of IChat?
>Thanks,
>Donna
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
> > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 9:18 PM
> > To: MacVisionaries
> > Subject: pod cast number 9
> >
> >
> > Hi everyone. Just wanted to let everyone know that my 9th pod cast is
> > now on blind cool tech. In this one, I look at the instant messaging
> > client adium, also we take a look at a program called pzizz which will
> > create relaxation sound files, and I look at a great backup program
> > for the mac called super duper. I also tie up some loose ends from pod
> > cast 8 about the nfb braille monitor article. Here is the link.
> > http://media.libsyn.com/media/bct/bct1372MacDemo9.mp3
> >
> > >
> >
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.30/2263 - Release Date:
> > 07/26/09 17:59:00
>
>
>

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RE: Help, lost Vo Speech

[Donna Goodin]

Ha! I like it! :)
Donna

> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Baxter
> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 5:31 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Help, lost Vo Speech
> 
> 
> This is the HUGE advantage to having Voiceover integrated as part of
> the basic OS; if for whatever reason you need to, you can just restart
> it.  I've done it so many times that, when VO restarts, I've got it
> saying, "Oh, have we started again?"
> 
> 
> Mark BurningHawk
> 
> Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
> MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
> My home page:
> http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
> 
> 
> > 
> 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
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Re: mac mini without monitor and set up

[Esther]

Hi Blake,

Thanks for checking.  The Mini-DVI to video adapter sounds as though  
it's the one we identified in the "Slow Mac Mini" thread in the list  
archive:

http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg02152.html

I've linked to the post that gives Apple Store links to the connector  
used for both the older Mac minis with the DVI to video adapter and  
the Mini-DVI to video adapter used for the Mac minis made after March  
2009 (new version link appears first).

Do you know whether it's possible to send output to a TV with any  
connector or combination of connectors on the new Mac Minis (or any  
Apple device which has a mini-DVI output instead of the older DVI  
output)?  As far as I know, that may not be possible.  Sending video  
output to a TV is something that the older Mac Minis and MacBooks can  
do, but I'm not sure I've read anywhere that it's possible through a  
Mini-DVI connector.

Cheers,

Esther

Blake Sinnett wrote:

> I've done some further testing. Using the new 2009 model Mac Mini, I  
> hooked up the Mini-DVI to video adapter and launched Safari and  
> browsed a few pages. Then, I unplugged the adapter and restarted the  
> Mini. Once again, I launched Safari. It was quite unresponsive. It  
> appears this adapter still works on the new Mac Minis.
>
> > From: mori...@mac.com
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: mac mini without monitor and set up
> > Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:25:47 -1000
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Marie, you might want to check whether running without a monitor  
> will
> > present a problem for the current generation Mac Mini and whether
> > using an adapter helps at all in this case. The reason for  
> exercising
> > some care here is that after the last round of discussions, where we
> > hypothesized which new connector would work with the new model mini,
> > additional information came to light that not only was the form  
> factor
> > of the video connector plug different, but it also passed signals  
> in a
> > different fashion. Previously, the connector passed analog signals,
> > and it was not possible for your computer to check via the feedback
> > whether or not your computer was connected to a monitor via that
> > connector. In the video out port connections of the new model mini,
> > no analog signal gets passed and it's all digital. That means it's
> > possible for the system to check whether there is a monitor  
> present at
> > the other end. Other features dependent on the connector have also
> > changed, and I don't think you can play movies on a TV from your
> > computer if you are using the new digital only video connector  
> ports.
> > That's not true of the older model Macs (or the older MacBooks).
> >
> > So far I don't think we have any users who report they're using the
> > new Mini without a monitor (with or without an adapter at the end).
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Esther
> >
> > On Jul 27, 2009, at 13:10, Dan wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > > When you start the machine for the first time, you will hear the
> > > music. Then an announcement about if you already know how to use
> > > VoiceOver, just press Command F5 to start VO. You can set it up
> > > yourself. I have set up my different Macs without sighted  
> assistance.
> > > Dan
> > > On Jul 27, 2009, at 4:02 PM, Marie Howarth wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Hey,
> > >> I already have a macbook and I'm thinking of getting a mac  
> mini. I
> > >> know if you don't have the monitor you need the adapter to make  
> the
> > >> mini think there is one to prevent sluggish behaviour. My  
> question
> > >> is,
> > >> how would you set up the mac independently without sighted
> > >> assistance?
> > >> I had to have someone hit the start voice over assistive set up  
> thing
> > >> on my mac book when I got it. but if you don't have a monitor,  
> can
> > >> this be achieved some way? I've never reinstalled my leopard yet,
> > >> although I understand it can be done. simply, can I set up my mac
> > >> mini
> > >> without sighted assistance?
> > >> thanks Marie
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> >


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Re: mac mini without monitor and set up

[Dan]

Hello,
It could be that for some reason or other, perhaps someone ran it  
before you got it. Don't know, just a guess.
Dan
On Jul 27, 2009, at 4:20 PM, Marie Howarth wrote:

>
> thanks for this. not sure why mine didn't do this. but hopefullly when
> I get my mac mini it won't be so much trouble. :)
>
> On Jul 28, 2009, at 12:10 AM, Dan wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello,
>> When you start the machine for the first time, you will hear the
>> music. Then an announcement about if you already know how to use
>> VoiceOver, just press Command F5 to start VO. You can set it up
>> yourself. I have set up my different Macs without sighted assistance.
>> Dan
>> On Jul 27, 2009, at 4:02 PM, Marie Howarth wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hey,
>>> I already have a macbook and I'm thinking of getting a mac mini. I
>>> know if you don't have the monitor you need the adapter to make the
>>> mini think there is one to prevent sluggish behaviour. My question
>>> is,
>>> how would you set up the mac independently without sighted
>>> assistance?
>>> I had to have someone hit the start voice over assistive set up  
>>> thing
>>> on my mac book when I got it. but if you don't have a monitor, can
>>> this be achieved some way? I've never reinstalled my leopard yet,
>>> although I understand it can be done. simply, can I set up my mac
>>> mini
>>> without sighted assistance?
>>> thanks Marie
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: mac mini without monitor and set up

[Scott Howell]

Marie, you dont' need anyone at any point during the process. If you  
follow the instructions upon startup of the machine, you will receive  
the human voice explaining what you need to do when getting started.  
I'm not sure or clear what you needed sighted assistance for in  
starting some assistance something.
On Jul 27, 2009, at 7:02 PM, Marie Howarth wrote:

>
> Hey,
> I already have a macbook and I'm thinking of getting a mac mini. I
> know if you don't have the monitor you need the adapter to make the
> mini think there is one to prevent sluggish behaviour. My question is,
> how would you set up the mac independently without sighted assistance?
> I had to have someone hit the start voice over assistive set up thing
> on my mac book when I got it. but if you don't have a monitor, can
> this be achieved some way? I've never reinstalled my leopard yet,
> although I understand it can be done. simply, can I set up my mac mini
> without sighted assistance?
> thanks Marie
>
>
> >


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Re: mac mini without monitor and set up

[Scott Howell]

Ah, yeah you know I wasn't clear what she meant at first, but yes,  
this does make sense. Funny, I can't recall what I did, but guess  
since I already knew what I had to do, I just neglected to remember  
the hardware keys are the initial configuration.
On Jul 27, 2009, at 7:36 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

>
> Hi, I had no problems setting up my mac mini, even without a monitor
> connected. What probably happened with your laptop was, the function  
> keys
> were set for hardware functions instead of software. In that case,  
> command
> function f5 will start voice over. The mac mini defaults to software
> function keys, so just pressing command f5 should do the trick.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Marie Howarth" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 6:02 PM
> Subject: mac mini without monitor and set up
>
>
>>
>> Hey,
>> I already have a macbook and I'm thinking of getting a mac mini. I
>> know if you don't have the monitor you need the adapter to make the
>> mini think there is one to prevent sluggish behaviour. My question  
>> is,
>> how would you set up the mac independently without sighted  
>> assistance?
>> I had to have someone hit the start voice over assistive set up thing
>> on my mac book when I got it. but if you don't have a monitor, can
>> this be achieved some way? I've never reinstalled my leopard yet,
>> although I understand it can be done. simply, can I set up my mac  
>> mini
>> without sighted assistance?
>> thanks Marie
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: mac mini without monitor and set up

[Marie Howarth]

it wouldn't do anything until my sighted help clicked a welcome button  
or something. I was confused because I had read you didn't need any  
assistance but maybe I don't know. there was the music and then just  
nothing.

On Jul 28, 2009, at 2:00 AM, Scott Howell wrote:

>
> Marie, you dont' need anyone at any point during the process. If you
> follow the instructions upon startup of the machine, you will receive
> the human voice explaining what you need to do when getting started.
> I'm not sure or clear what you needed sighted assistance for in
> starting some assistance something.
> On Jul 27, 2009, at 7:02 PM, Marie Howarth wrote:
>
>>
>> Hey,
>> I already have a macbook and I'm thinking of getting a mac mini. I
>> know if you don't have the monitor you need the adapter to make the
>> mini think there is one to prevent sluggish behaviour. My question  
>> is,
>> how would you set up the mac independently without sighted  
>> assistance?
>> I had to have someone hit the start voice over assistive set up thing
>> on my mac book when I got it. but if you don't have a monitor, can
>> this be achieved some way? I've never reinstalled my leopard yet,
>> although I understand it can be done. simply, can I set up my mac  
>> mini
>> without sighted assistance?
>> thanks Marie
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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RE: mac mini without monitor and set up

[Blake Sinnett]

Hello,

 

It is possible to send signals to a tv with a composite or S-Video input. It's 
just not as straight forward. What you need to do is purchase a Mini-DVI to VGA 
adapter. You could also purchase a Mini DisplayPort to VGA adapter and have two 
monitors connected at the same time. You then need to purchase a VGA to 
Composite / S-Video converter to convert the VGA signal to Composite. This 
converter requires power and takes up one USB port on the mini. I think the 
only adapter rendered useless is the Mini-DVI to video adapter. The other 
various adapters should work fine.

 

I prefer to get my adapters from monoprice.com since they're cheaper than 
apple's, and you'll need to purchase the VGA to RCA Composite S-Video converter 
(linked below) from there depending on whether or not you want to hook up a TV 
with a composite input. I haven't found any other place for this converter. 
When you try and use the Mini-DVI to video adapter, you get weird lines 
scrolling down the screen..

 

Here are the MonoPrice links to the Mini-DVI to VGA adapter, the Mini 
DisplayPort to VGA adapter and VGA to RCA Composite / S-Video converter 
respectively. If anyone has any questions about this, feel free to ask.

 

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10419&cs_id=1041912&p_id=4850&seq=1&format=2

 

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10428&cs_id=1042802&p_id=5107&seq=1&format=2

 

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10114&cs_id=1011407&p_id=4724&seq=1&format=2

 

HTH,

Blake


 


From: mori...@mac.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: mac mini without monitor and set up
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:50:09 -1000

Hi Blake,


Thanks for checking.  The Mini-DVI to video adapter sounds as though it's the 
one we identified in the "Slow Mac Mini" thread in the list archive:


http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg02152.html


I've linked to the post that gives Apple Store links to the connector used for 
both the older Mac minis with the DVI to video adapter and the Mini-DVI to 
video adapter used for the Mac minis made after March 2009 (new version link 
appears first).


Do you know whether it's possible to send output to a TV with any connector or 
combination of connectors on the new Mac Minis (or any Apple device which has a 
mini-DVI output instead of the older DVI output)?  As far as I know, that may 
not be possible.  Sending video output to a TV is something that the older Mac 
Minis and MacBooks can do, but I'm not sure I've read anywhere that it's 
possible through a Mini-DVI connector.


Cheers,


Esther



Blake Sinnett wrote:

I've done some further testing. Using the new 2009 model Mac Mini, I hooked up 
the Mini-DVI to video adapter and launched Safari and browsed a few pages. 
Then, I unplugged the adapter and restarted the Mini. Once again, I launched 
Safari. It was quite unresponsive. It appears this adapter still works on the 
new Mac Minis.
 
> From: mori...@mac.com
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: mac mini without monitor and set up
> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:25:47 -1000
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Marie, you might want to check whether running without a monitor will 
> present a problem for the current generation Mac Mini and whether 
> using an adapter helps at all in this case. The reason for exercising 
> some care here is that after the last round of discussions, where we 
> hypothesized which new connector would work with the new model mini, 
> additional information came to light that not only was the form factor 
> of the video connector plug different, but it also passed signals in a 
> different fashion. Previously, the connector passed analog signals, 
> and it was not possible for your computer to check via the feedback 
> whether or not your computer was connected to a monitor via that 
> connector. In the video out port connections of the new model mini, 
> no analog signal gets passed and it's all digital. That means it's 
> possible for the system to check whether there is a monitor present at 
> the other end. Other features dependent on the connector have also 
> changed, and I don't think you can play movies on a TV from your 
> computer if you are using the new digital only video connector ports. 
> That's not true of the older model Macs (or the older MacBooks).
> 
> So far I don't think we have any users who report they're using the 
> new Mini without a monitor (with or without an adapter at the end).
> 
> HTH
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Jul 27, 2009, at 13:10, Dan wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hello,
> > When you start the machine for the first time, you will hear the
> > music. Then an announcement about if you already know how to use
> > VoiceOver, just press Command F5 to start VO. You can set it up
> > yourself. I have set up my different Macs without sighted assistance.
> > Dan
> > On Jul 27, 2009, at 4:02 PM, Marie Howarth wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> H

Re: connecting victor Stream to a Mac

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Chris,

I'm running Windows XP Professional, SP 3. Thanks for checking this out.

All the best,
Anna



On Jul 26, 2009, at 11:20 PM, Chris Polk wrote:

>
> are you running vista or xp in the virtual machine? reason I'm asking,
> I will try and duplicate your issue with my stream.
>
> i'm wondering if the mass storage driver in fusion is confused  
> somehow.
> let me know your version of windows and i'll try it.
>
> On Jul 26, 2009, at 9:10 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> Thanks for your message. I confirmed that the USB settings are set as
>> you recommended, and in the process learned that you must be focused
>> on the virtual machine when connecting your device to get it to work,
>> which seems obvious, but I hadn't realized. However, when I connect
>> the Stream while focused on the virtual machine, the stream's welcome
>> message stops in the middle, and either there is no response from
>> Windows, or a dialog pops up saying an error occurred when the device
>> was being installed. So the connection is almost, but not quite,  
>> being
>> made.
>>
>> Best,
>> Anna
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 26, 2009, at 10:03 PM, Chris Polk wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Anna:
>>> open fusion, then press command e for the settings for your virtual
>>> machine, there is buttons for battery, printer, and so on. there  
>>> is a
>>> usb devices button, make sure that the inable usb 2.0 is checked,  
>>> and
>>> connect usb devices is also checked.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> On Jul 26, 2009, at 7:56 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote:
>>>

 Hello,

 I have installed System Access on the Windows portion of my Mac  
 (I'm
 using Fusion). It is running fine, and I would like to be able to
 use
 it to send DVS movies to my victor Stream. However, When I connect
 my
 Stream and turn it on, the Stream doesn't say "Player connected,"
 but
 instead says the name of the last opened file, as it would if it
 weren't connected to anything. So clearly the connection isn't  
 being
 made. What can I do to make this work?

 Thanks,
 Anna


>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: IPhone accessibility

[Kamal Haffar]

Hi:

Yes I had he same experience. Now I only type 
with the phone in portrait mode. I find the 
landscape mode slows me down considerably.

Cheers,

Kamal

At 05:13 PM 19/07/2009, you wrote:
>On Jul 19, 2009, at 12:33 PM, Tasha Raella Chemel wrote:
>>Just curious -- have people tried using the option that allows you to
>>use a wider keyboard? i'm assuming that this would be easier since the
>>virtual keys would be bigger.
>
>Early on, the wider landscape keyboard was what 
>I found to be easier. As you become comfortable 
>with the touch screen, you'll find that the 
>additional size actually slows you down, as you 
>have more realestate to cover to get from key to 
>key. The smaller portrait keyboard is what I've 
>managed to become very proficient on, ultimately.
>
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Re: mac mini without monitor and set up

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi,

I just bought a Mac Mini. I had to buy a special adapter to use my VGA  
monitor, but that works fine. If you can buy an adapter for that,  
maybe you can buy one for a television too - I don't know.

Best,
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super duper question

[Gene Richburg]

Hi guys, wondering if someone has an answer to this one.  I want to use 
super duper to back my hd up to a dvd and I was hoping to compress it so 
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Re: podcasts

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Will,

Having podcasts deleted from your iPod after you play them is the  
default behavior. You can control this behavior both on the Podcasts  
tab when your iPod is connected and via the Settings button relating  
to any podcast.

HTH,
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Re: mac mini without monitor and set up

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Some if not all LCD TV's have a DVI or VGA input port in addition to  
the video inputs. I am pretty sure the Polaroid  TV's sold by target  
have computer inputs.

Jon
On Jul 27, 2009, at 10:16 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote:

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> Hi,
>
> I just bought a Mac Mini. I had to buy a special adapter to use my VGA
> monitor, but that works fine. If you can buy an adapter for that,
> maybe you can buy one for a television too - I don't know.
>
> Best,
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>
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VO causes Safari to crash? When on FB main site.

[Jenny Kennedy (Howard)]

Oh dear.
After listening to Michael's podcast on VO and FB. I went and was  
croosing around with DOM web.Nav. and FB crashed the browser. :-(
What gives?
Have had this happen when I was trying to get around the FB main site  
when trying to work with my blind parents of facebook group and had to  
resort to using zoom.
I don't understand. What gives?



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question about using apple mail with gmail

[Holly Anderson]

Hi all.  I had a question about using apple mail with gmail.  I want to set
up a gmail account ware all my email goes so that I can have filters that
apply no matter what email client I use.  So if I had to re install mail my
filters would be there.  So I've been successful with that part, however, I
was wondering if there was a way to send a message from the imported
account.  I can do this with the gmail interface on the web, but was just
wondering if this was possible using apple mail.  So is it possible to send
mail through gmail using an imported email account on apple mail?  For
example, can I make it show up as sent from Holly at
thedividingline.comwhich is the email address I'm subscribed to with
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problem synching my mobileme/ don't want mobileme

[Yuma Decaux]

Hey all,

I'm trying to add some applications on my iphone through the lion
court links for iphone apps but when the itunes opens, it keeps
telling me that mobileme has unexpectdly shutdown while synching the
iphone. Does that happen to anyone? Am i doing something wrong?

Just wanted to add this as well:
Wouldnt it better for blind users to turn the screen off for reasons
more related to battery life than to use privacy?

cheers


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Re: question about using apple mail with gmail

[Mark Baxter]

When you do command N for new message, if you tab past the subject  
field, you'll hear the name subject of the current server in use, as  
part of a pop-up button.  VO space on this button and you'll have the  
choice of using any other active E-mail account that Mail knows  
about.  This lets you send to anyone from any of your established  
accounts.  Hope this is what you need.


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Re: connecting victor Stream to a Mac

[Chris Polk]

ok, first thing in the morning i'll check it out. installing windows  
now.

On Jul 27, 2009, at 6:55 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote:

>
> Hi Chris,
>
> I'm running Windows XP Professional, SP 3. Thanks for checking this  
> out.
>
> All the best,
> Anna
>
>
>
> On Jul 26, 2009, at 11:20 PM, Chris Polk wrote:
>
>>
>> are you running vista or xp in the virtual machine? reason I'm  
>> asking,
>> I will try and duplicate your issue with my stream.
>>
>> i'm wondering if the mass storage driver in fusion is confused
>> somehow.
>> let me know your version of windows and i'll try it.
>>
>> On Jul 26, 2009, at 9:10 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Chris,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your message. I confirmed that the USB settings are set  
>>> as
>>> you recommended, and in the process learned that you must be focused
>>> on the virtual machine when connecting your device to get it to  
>>> work,
>>> which seems obvious, but I hadn't realized. However, when I connect
>>> the Stream while focused on the virtual machine, the stream's  
>>> welcome
>>> message stops in the middle, and either there is no response from
>>> Windows, or a dialog pops up saying an error occurred when the  
>>> device
>>> was being installed. So the connection is almost, but not quite,
>>> being
>>> made.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Anna
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 26, 2009, at 10:03 PM, Chris Polk wrote:
>>>

 Hi Anna:
 open fusion, then press command e for the settings for your virtual
 machine, there is buttons for battery, printer, and so on. there
 is a
 usb devices button, make sure that the inable usb 2.0 is checked,
 and
 connect usb devices is also checked.

 Hope this helps
 Chris

 On Jul 26, 2009, at 7:56 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> I have installed System Access on the Windows portion of my Mac
> (I'm
> using Fusion). It is running fine, and I would like to be able to
> use
> it to send DVS movies to my victor Stream. However, When I connect
> my
> Stream and turn it on, the Stream doesn't say "Player connected,"
> but
> instead says the name of the last opened file, as it would if it
> weren't connected to anything. So clearly the connection isn't
> being
> made. What can I do to make this work?
>
> Thanks,
> Anna
>
>
>>


>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: mac mini without monitor and set up

[Maurice Mines]

yes you can as a blind person setup your mac just press cmd+fnd five.  
and that shud get vo working.
On Jul 27, 2009, at 5:02 PM, Marie Howarth wrote:

>
> Hey,
> I already have a macbook and I'm thinking of getting a mac mini. I
> know if you don't have the monitor you need the adapter to make the
> mini think there is one to prevent sluggish behaviour. My question is,
> how would you set up the mac independently without sighted assistance?
> I had to have someone hit the start voice over assistive set up thing
> on my mac book when I got it. but if you don't have a monitor, can
> this be achieved some way? I've never reinstalled my leopard yet,
> although I understand it can be done. simply, can I set up my mac mini
> without sighted assistance?
> thanks Marie
>
>
> >


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duplicates in Itunes library

[Mark Baxter]

I've noticed lots of duplicate entries in the "Itunes Music," folder,  
and wonder if Itunes has a way to clean these up, so that there's only  
one file of each song or whatever?


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Re: question about using apple mail with gmail

[Thomas McMahan]

If you can receive mail from that address in Apple mail, thus the  
acount is there, you can send from it, just select the specific  
acount you wish to send from in the pop-up menu just under the  
subject line.  Should go out that way.


On Jul 27, 2009, at 10:02 PM, Holly Anderson wrote:

> Hi all.  I had a question about using apple mail with gmail.  I  
> want to set up a gmail account ware all my email goes so that I can  
> have filters that apply no matter what email client I use.  So if I  
> had to re install mail my filters would be there.  So I've been  
> successful with that part, however, I was wondering if there was a  
> way to send a message from the imported account.  I can do this  
> with the gmail interface on the web, but was just wondering if this  
> was possible using apple mail.  So is it possible to send mail  
> through gmail using an imported email account on apple mail?  For  
> example, can I make it show up as sent from Holly at  
> thedividingline.com which is the email address I'm subscribed to  
> with this list.
> >


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prob,e with mobiledevicehelper when connecting iphone 3gs

[Yuma Decaux]

Hi all,

I am pretty new at using the mac but i don't think this is something
to do with my ignorance.

Whenever i connect the iphone3gs i just baught yesterday, itunes comes
up and keeps popping up the message that mobiledevicehelper has
stopped unexpectedly. ANd it keeps popping up every 2 minutes until it
totally crashes the system.

I have the latest itunes and leopard with all the updates on my brand
new macbook pro. I don't understand where this comes from, can anyone
light my path?

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Re: prob,e with mobiledevicehelper when connecting iphone 3gs

[James Mannion]

I was just having that problem too.  Because I am new to the mac I
don't relaly have any real contacts saved in my mac.  I say that
because I had some in there to test synchronizing.  After I took those
out and synchronize it has not given me that message and problem.  I
have not tried again trying to include synchronizing contacts.  I also
don't really know yet what caused it.  When it was happening the thing
would not synchronize.  It also could have had something to do with
the synchronizing of a mail account.  Because after removing the
contacts it popped up a dialog on the next attempt asking of mobile me
could use information to do something with my mail account.  I said no
and it did not import the mail account to the IPhone correctly or
completely.  I don't know exactly the issue, but thought I would throw
all this out there.  Someone on this list that really knows the ins
and outs may know something.

Jim


On 7/27/09, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am pretty new at using the mac but i don't think this is something
> to do with my ignorance.
>
> Whenever i connect the iphone3gs i just baught yesterday, itunes comes
> up and keeps popping up the message that mobiledevicehelper has
> stopped unexpectedly. ANd it keeps popping up every 2 minutes until it
> totally crashes the system.
>
> I have the latest itunes and leopard with all the updates on my brand
> new macbook pro. I don't understand where this comes from, can anyone
> light my path?
>
> >
>

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