Re: vo curser jumping, cut within finder, and selecting multiple items
There is no move function and I am sure you could argue the advantages and disadvantages. ASs far as moving items in the fashion that you wish, dpo the following. 1. find the first item you wish include in the list you plan to move. 2. Interact with the list of items. 3. turn off cursor tracking, VO-keys+shift+f3. 4. Either lock the VO-keys or hold down those keys and move to the next item you wish to select. 5. Once you locate that item, while keeping the VO-keys locked or held down, press and hold the command key and then tap the spacebar. 6. Repeat the above steps until all files are selected. Now you can use command+c to copy them. Yes it takes a little more time to go back and remove those files, but you of course can use Terminal to speed up the process, as you figured out. hth On Mar 7, 2009, at 10:51 PM, James Dietz wrote: > > 2. There is no "move" function as far as I know. Someone made an > automator action to simulate this. Apple tends to remove functionality > found elsewhere (a "stop" button in iTunes for instance). > 3. I forget the command, but I have it reassigned to numpad 5 in the > VO utility. It's called "begin/end selection" or something. Try that > when interacting w/ VO cursor; start selecting, highlight one thing, > stop, move to next w/vo (probably without cursor tracking on) and > start and stop when you please. > > James > > On 3/7/09, Jason Custer wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I have a cuple questions. >> First, I notice that when I am in some applications, My VoiceOver >> curser jumps to controls against my will so to speak. Example: Tube- >> tv, the progress window, While looking at the progress of a download, >> The vo cursor jumps to the cancel button. >> How can I prevent this? >> Second, Why can I copy files in finder, command+c, but not cut them >> command+x. As it stands, I have to copy my file(s), which takes >> longer >> than just moving them, then go back and delete them. Alternatively, I >> go to terminal and use mv. Suggestions? >> >> Last question, this one is easier. How do I select multiple items, in >> finder for example, that are not next to eachother? For example, in >> a, >> b, c, d, e, How do I select b, d, e? >> >> Thank you for your assistance. >> Jason Custer >> >>> >> > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: vo curser jumping, cut within finder, and selecting multiple items
Jason, I believe that jumping as you refer to it is VO focusing on the default control. On Mar 7, 2009, at 10:31 PM, Jason Custer wrote: > > Hello, > > I have a cuple questions. > First, I notice that when I am in some applications, My VoiceOver > curser jumps to controls against my will so to speak. Example: Tube- > tv, the progress window, While looking at the progress of a download, > The vo cursor jumps to the cancel button. > How can I prevent this? > Second, Why can I copy files in finder, command+c, but not cut them > command+x. As it stands, I have to copy my file(s), which takes longer > than just moving them, then go back and delete them. Alternatively, I > go to terminal and use mv. Suggestions? > > Last question, this one is easier. How do I select multiple items, in > finder for example, that are not next to eachother? For example, in a, > b, c, d, e, How do I select b, d, e? > > Thank you for your assistance. > Jason Custer > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: vo curser jumping, cut within finder, and selecting multiple items
jason, I don't recall having this issue. when I focus on the progress, it stays there but if I move aay and back, I have to focus again. On Mar 7, 2009, at 10:31 PM, Jason Custer wrote: Hello, I have a cuple questions. First, I notice that when I am in some applications, My VoiceOver curser jumps to controls against my will so to speak. Example: Tube- tv, the progress window, While looking at the progress of a download, The vo cursor jumps to the cancel button. How can I prevent this? Second, Why can I copy files in finder, command+c, but not cut them command+x. As it stands, I have to copy my file(s), which takes longer than just moving them, then go back and delete them. Alternatively, I go to terminal and use mv. Suggestions? Last question, this one is easier. How do I select multiple items, in finder for example, that are not next to eachother? For example, in a, b, c, d, e, How do I select b, d, e? Thank you for your assistance. Jason Custer --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Vague posts -was- Re: espeak on mac?
modorator please! take this discussion off list? On Mar 7, 2009, at 9:29 PM, Cara Quinn wrote: Alex, I've said this before, these one-liners clutter the list much more than any content you'd post. So, what I'm saying here, to be clear, is rather than post a one line note about what you're doing or planning to do without either including any content or asking outright for specific assistance, do either say in real terms what you're doing, by showing the list some actual content, or pose a clear request either to the list for specific assistance with what you're doing. Otherwise you're simply using bandwidth without contributing. I'm saying this to be clear, as I'd really like to see this behavior change without my having to come up with some ridiculous list rule about such, K?… So this is just a friendly reminder not only to you, but to the list as a whole, to please have some consideration for other listers. Said simply, don't post unless you have something helpful / useful to share with everyone. If we all do this then the list will really run smoothly and we won't accidentally be stepping on eachother's toes. - Make sense?… Thanks for taking time to read, and I wish you all a lovely weekend!… Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn On Mar 7, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, It isn't closeness, just unclutterness of the list. Thanks, Alex, On 28-Feb-09, at 11:39 PM, sandi sørensen wrote: > > hi. > Alex how about you just tell us all what you have done instead of all > that closeness? > sounds like a better approach:) > espeak is another open speech which you can sortta use with mac as it > is. > When i say like i do it's cause... you can use it with irc like tail-f > -n1 filename|speak -s 300 and your irc-client speaks. > It works okay for both irssi and xchat. > so i was wanting too use it as we use fred alex and so on. > To ryan: > for 6 month ago you could not use flightgear as a blind person you can > today. > Nothing is impossible the impossible things just takes more time:) > > /sandi > now On Mar 7, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> I figured out what needs to be done. I'm willing to let anyone who >> wants into the project I've started to do this. Just E-mail me at: >> asquare...@gmail.com >> . I have done research on doing tis. >> >> Thanks, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 7-Mar-09, at 11:39 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> >>> Yep, there is a package on I believe the second DVD. I dont' have my >>> DVD handy, but I think it is in a folder called extras or optional >>> packages. You'll know it when you encounter it. >>> On Feb 28, 2009, at 10:59 PM, sandi sørensen wrote: >>> Hi Greg thank you for your answer") I was not aware i had any devtools with my mac. will go and look in to what i got with the mini. I am nearly sure i did not get any with the mac book air, but i can be wrong. /sandi On Mar 7, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Greg Kearney wrote: > > We looked into it at Curtin but had to stop do to other issue > here. > We > did not get very far. The basic process is to make a sysnsisier > for > each vendor of voices. There is sample code for doing this in the > developer tools that come with the mac. > > Greg > On Mar 1, 2009, at 12:27 PM, sandi sørensen wrote: > >> >> Greg agree. >> But my main problem so far have been to find out where the voices >> are >> selected. >> I dont doubt i will find a way to make it work If ivox voices can >> be >> added so can espeak:) >> of course we would have too live with the 370 words pr minute >> rule >> or >> so i think but that ought too be fast enough for a start at >> least. >> Greg was it not you who actually tried making it native at some >> point ? >> /sandi >> On Mar 7, 2009, at 9:42 AM, Greg Kearney wrote: >> >>> >>> I vote for making them native voices. >>> >>> On Mar 1, 2009, at 11:37 AM, sandi sørensen wrote: >>> hi all. For some days ago some one asked me if espeak could be used as the default voice on the mac so well can it ? I am considering looking in too it to see what can be done about it. I can see too ways 1 make it natively show up in the voiceover voice selection or 2 make a hack around it. But before i do alot of things any ideas? /sandi > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > >> > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > >> --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from thi
logging on to time capsil?
Hi Guys, Got an interesting problem with a time capsil, in that whenever the wireless internet connection drops you have to log in manually to restore the connection to the tc. Right, so if you restart the mac you have to manually log in to the tc. Or, for example, he's pretty far away from the wireless device, and every time his cordless phone rings it interupts the wireless connection for a few seconds. When that happens you have to log back in to the time capsil to get at the files. So this is my first experience using one of these, and I'm wondering is there a way to set this up so the mac will log in to the time capsil automaticly whenever the wireless network is present? Thanks, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: espeak on mac?
hi alex. i just took a very fast look at the page you posted... one question. why have the ispeak project not been mentioned at all on the webpage? or maybe i am looking the wrong place ? /sandi On Mar 7, 2009, at 10:37 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > I am writing this now in full, smiley, after Cara got on my case about > it. I was in a rush earlier. I appologize. Here are the details. > > ISpeak, a project to port the eSpeak speech engine natively to the Mac > is kicking off this month. Hosted by VIPBC.org, the project will allow > the eSpeak voices to be used in all speech enabled applications > including Voiceover. > > All people who are interested in participating are asked to keep an > eye on http://www.vipbc.org/ . Below is a list of possible jobs that > need filling. > > Jobs: > - Perl programmer > - OBJ-C programmer > - Packager/Installer creator > - Documentationalist > - Issue Tracker > > Such positions are open for most open-source AWEBSIGHT/ICE VIPBC.org > projects. > > > > Thanks, > Alex, > > > On 7-Mar-09, at 5:27 PM, Brandon Misch wrote: > >> >> will this project allow e speak to be used with voice over? >> >> On Mar 7, 2009, at 6:13 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> The opensource project ISpeak will hit the net on March 17. Keep >>> tuned >>> in to VIPBC.org for the details. This is the project I am speaking >>> of. >>> I invite anyone to join the project. All research will be posted for >>> the enjoyment of all participants, but as I said, stay tuned. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> On 28-Feb-09, at 11:39 PM, sandi sørensen wrote: >>> hi. Alex how about you just tell us all what you have done instead of all that closeness? sounds like a better approach:) espeak is another open speech which you can sortta use with mac as it is. When i say like i do it's cause... you can use it with irc like tail-f -n1 filename|speak -s 300 and your irc-client speaks. It works okay for both irssi and xchat. so i was wanting too use it as we use fred alex and so on. To ryan: for 6 month ago you could not use flightgear as a blind person you can today. Nothing is impossible the impossible things just takes more time:) /sandi now On Mar 7, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > I figured out what needs to be done. I'm willing to let anyone who > wants into the project I've started to do this. Just E-mail me > at: asquare...@gmail.com > . I have done research on doing tis. > > Thanks, > Alex, > > > On 7-Mar-09, at 11:39 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> >> Yep, there is a package on I believe the second DVD. I dont' have >> my >> DVD handy, but I think it is in a folder called extras or >> optional >> packages. You'll know it when you encounter it. >> On Feb 28, 2009, at 10:59 PM, sandi sørensen wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi Greg thank you for your answer") >>> I was not aware i had any devtools with my mac. will go and look >>> in >>> to >>> what i got with the mini. I am nearly sure i did not get any >>> with >>> the >>> mac book air, but i can be wrong. >>> /sandi >>> >>> On Mar 7, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Greg Kearney wrote: >>> We looked into it at Curtin but had to stop do to other issue here. We did not get very far. The basic process is to make a sysnsisier for each vendor of voices. There is sample code for doing this in the developer tools that come with the mac. Greg On Mar 1, 2009, at 12:27 PM, sandi sørensen wrote: > > Greg agree. > But my main problem so far have been to find out where the > voices > are > selected. > I dont doubt i will find a way to make it work If ivox voices > can > be > added so can espeak:) > of course we would have too live with the 370 words pr minute > rule > or > so i think but that ought too be fast enough for a start at > least. > Greg was it not you who actually tried making it native at > some > point ? > /sandi > On Mar 7, 2009, at 9:42 AM, Greg Kearney wrote: > >> >> I vote for making them native voices. >> >> On Mar 1, 2009, at 11:37 AM, sandi sørensen wrote: >> >>> >>> hi all. >>> For some days ago some one asked me if espeak could be used >>> as >>> the >>> default voice on the mac so well can it ? >>> I am considering looking in too it to see what can be done >>> about >>> it. >>> I can see too ways 1 make it natively show up in the >>> voiceover >>> voice
Re-sizing a window
Hi All, Is there a Mac command to re-size an application window to full screen, and then back to the previous size? Thanks, Gary --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Re-sizing a window
Hi, Gary, Usually, clicking on the zoom button on the top left (the third vo heard item in most windows (close button, minimize button, zoom button) will expand a window to full screen. If the window is already expanded, it will usually return it to the previous size. --Scott -- --Scott --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: vo curser jumping, cut within finder, and selecting multiple items
Yes, but when I want to read the contents of another control, the blasted thing jumps to the default control before I am done with my task. Is this preventable? Thanks, Jason On Mar 8, 2009, at 1:32 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > > Jason, I believe that jumping as you refer to it is VO focusing on the > default control. > On Mar 7, 2009, at 10:31 PM, Jason Custer wrote: > >> >> Hello, >> >> I have a cuple questions. >> First, I notice that when I am in some applications, My VoiceOver >> curser jumps to controls against my will so to speak. Example: Tube- >> tv, the progress window, While looking at the progress of a download, >> The vo cursor jumps to the cancel button. >> How can I prevent this? >> Second, Why can I copy files in finder, command+c, but not cut them >> command+x. As it stands, I have to copy my file(s), which takes >> longer >> than just moving them, then go back and delete them. Alternatively, I >> go to terminal and use mv. Suggestions? >> >> Last question, this one is easier. How do I select multiple items, in >> finder for example, that are not next to eachother? For example, in >> a, >> b, c, d, e, How do I select b, d, e? >> >> Thank you for your assistance. >> Jason Custer >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Re-sizing a window
and there is also a zoom item in the window menu. On Mar 8, 2009, at 12:41 PM, Scott Bresnahan wrote: Hi, Gary, Usually, clicking on the zoom button on the top left (the third vo heard item in most windows (close button, minimize button, zoom button) will expand a window to full screen. If the window is already expanded, it will usually return it to the previous size. --Scott -- --Scott --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: vo curser jumping, cut within finder, and selecting multiple items
Why can't you just you VO enter to start selecti n where you want to start, and then when you come to an item o you don't wish to be included in the selected group, hit VO command space? and then proceeding Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: logging on to time capsule?
Hi, First, let's try to solve the wireless phone breaking the network connection. I'd suggest trying to go to the Airport Administration Utility and try to manually set the wireless channel. Playing with the channel number could yield better wireless connections. Now, is the time capsule being used for time machine, or just a network volume share point? If time machine, that's not right. It should automatically connect you and backup without issue. If you want to auto mount a network volume, you can just add the volume to the startup items in the accounts system preferences. Best, Scott ? >Hi Guys, Got an interesting problem with a time capsil, in that >whenever the wireless internet connection drops you have to log in >manually to restore the connection to the tc. Right, so if you >restart the mac you have to manually log in to the tc. Or, for >example, he's pretty far away from the wireless device, and every time >his cordless phone rings it interupts the wireless connection for a >few seconds. When that happens you have to log back in to the time >capsil to get at the files. > >So this is my first experience using one of these, and I'm wondering >is there a way to set this up so the mac will log in to the time >capsil automaticly whenever the wireless network is present? > >Thanks, > > >erik burggraaf >A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. >Phone: 888-255-5194 >Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com > > > -- --Scott --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Re-sizing a window
Hello Gary, You can create your own shortcut by going to the Keyboard&Mouse pane of System Preferences and selecting Keyboard Shortcuts. The instructions are there on how to create a shortcut. It is important to type the name of the menu item correctly, including capital letters. If you have a problem with this, feel free to contact me privately for more detailed instructions. Anne On Mar 8, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Gary wrote: > > Hi All, > Is there a Mac command to re-size an application window to full > screen, and then back to the previous size? > > Thanks, > Gary > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
currency converter?
hi on the unit converter widget, is something wrong with the data? on the currencty section I typed for example 400 US dollalrs, how can that equal only seven british ounds? I know we are in economic downturn but lol! will --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: currency converter?
Hello, Why not use the calculator. It has currency conversion and it's always up to date. Dan key...@comcast.net On Mar 8, 2009, at 9:29 AM, william lomas wrote: > > hi on the unit converter widget, is something wrong with the > data? > on the currencty section > I typed for example 400 US dollalrs, how can that equal only seven > british ounds? > I know we are in economic downturn but lol! > will > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: currency converter?
Hello; You could try using the converter on my site www.midwaymarketplace.com I don't remember where i got it, but it works. Hope that helps, Max On Mar 8, 2009, at 11:29 AM, william lomas wrote: > >hi on the unit converter widget, is something wrong with the > data? > on the currencty section > I typed for example 400 US dollalrs, how can that equal only seven > british ounds? > I know we are in economic downturn but lol! > will > > > > Max Ivey Jr. The Midway Marketplace Office 936-273-6960 Cell 281-989-0448 www.midwaymarketplace.com maxw...@midwaymarketplace.com yahoo messenger id midwaymarketplace --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: currency converter?
Hello; I just ran 400 british pounds to us dollars and got 563.66 Hope that helps, Max --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: currency converter?
I wonder what is up with the online widget though? will On 8 Mar 2009, at 16:40, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: > > Hello; You could try using the converter on my site www.midwaymarketplace.com > I don't remember where i got it, but it works. Hope that helps, Max > On Mar 8, 2009, at 11:29 AM, william lomas wrote: > >> >> hi on the unit converter widget, is something wrong with the >> data? >> on the currencty section >> I typed for example 400 US dollalrs, how can that equal only seven >> british ounds? >> I know we are in economic downturn but lol! >> will >> >> >>> > > Max Ivey Jr. > The Midway Marketplace > Office 936-273-6960 > Cell 281-989-0448 > www.midwaymarketplace.com > maxw...@midwaymarketplace.com > yahoo messenger id midwaymarketplace > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: currency converter?
how is the in built calcualtor always up to date? Don't you ahve to enter the values for the currencies yourself as they change? On 8 Mar 2009, at 16:38, Dan wrote: > > Hello, > Why not use the calculator. It has currency conversion and it's always > up to date. > > > Dan > > key...@comcast.net > > > > > On Mar 8, 2009, at 9:29 AM, william lomas wrote: > >> >> hi on the unit converter widget, is something wrong with the >> data? >> on the currencty section >> I typed for example 400 US dollalrs, how can that equal only seven >> british ounds? >> I know we are in economic downturn but lol! >> will >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: currency converter?
i only got 400 GBP to 170 US dollars just curious why it is not working On 8 Mar 2009, at 16:43, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: > > Hello; I just ran 400 british pounds to us dollars and got 563.66 > Hope that helps, Max > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: currency converter?
Hello, It does it on line. I have never had a problem with the conversions. In fact, you can even see when it was last updated. When After you plug in the first value and go to the conversion menu and pick currency, you will see the update as well as changing the to and from options and the okay button. It works every time. In fact, it even tells you where the updates were from. Dan key...@comcast.net On Mar 8, 2009, at 9:45 AM, william lomas wrote: > > how is the in built calcualtor always up to date? > Don't you ahve to enter the values for the currencies yourself as they > change? > > On 8 Mar 2009, at 16:38, Dan wrote: > >> >> Hello, >> Why not use the calculator. It has currency conversion and it's >> always >> up to date. >> >> >> Dan >> >> key...@comcast.net >> >> >> >> >> On Mar 8, 2009, at 9:29 AM, william lomas wrote: >> >>> >>> hi on the unit converter widget, is something wrong with the >>> data? >>> on the currencty section >>> I typed for example 400 US dollalrs, how can that equal only seven >>> british ounds? >>> I know we are in economic downturn but lol! >>> will >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: currency converter?
Confirmed here too between us dollar and Swedish krona, and between danish Krona and Swedish krona. I too wonder what's up. /Krister 8 mar 2009 kl. 17.29 skrev william lomas: > > hi on the unit converter widget, is something wrong with the > data? > on the currencty section > I typed for example 400 US dollalrs, how can that equal only seven > british ounds? > I know we are in economic downturn but lol! > will > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: currency converter?
Why take the clumciest rout when there's a much nicer one handy? 8 mar 2009 kl. 17.38 skrev Dan: > > Hello, > Why not use the calculator. It has currency conversion and it's always > up to date. > > > Dan > > key...@comcast.net > > > > > On Mar 8, 2009, at 9:29 AM, william lomas wrote: > >> >> hi on the unit converter widget, is something wrong with the >> data? >> on the currencty section >> I typed for example 400 US dollalrs, how can that equal only seven >> british ounds? >> I know we are in economic downturn but lol! >> will >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: currency converter?
it not urgent just curious On 8 Mar 2009, at 16:53, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > Confirmed here too between us dollar and Swedish krona, and between > danish Krona and Swedish krona. I too wonder what's up. > /Krister > > 8 mar 2009 kl. 17.29 skrev william lomas: > >> >> hi on the unit converter widget, is something wrong with the >> data? >> on the currencty section >> I typed for example 400 US dollalrs, how can that equal only seven >> british ounds? >> I know we are in economic downturn but lol! >> will >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: currency converter?
Hello, Here's what I got with the calculator. 283.8347912 Dan key...@comcast.net On Mar 8, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > Confirmed here too between us dollar and Swedish krona, and between > danish Krona and Swedish krona. I too wonder what's up. > /Krister > > 8 mar 2009 kl. 17.29 skrev william lomas: > >> >> hi on the unit converter widget, is something wrong with the >> data? >> on the currencty section >> I typed for example 400 US dollalrs, how can that equal only seven >> british ounds? >> I know we are in economic downturn but lol! >> will >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Re-sizing a window
Thanks everyone, That worked for me. On Mar 8, 2009, at 11:27 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: > > Hello Gary, > > You can create your own shortcut by going to the Keyboard&Mouse pane > of System Preferences and selecting Keyboard Shortcuts. The > instructions are there on how to create a shortcut. It is important to > type the name of the menu item correctly, including capital letters. > > If you have a problem with this, feel free to contact me privately for > more detailed instructions. > > Anne > > > On Mar 8, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Gary wrote: > >> >> Hi All, >> Is there a Mac command to re-size an application window to full >> screen, and then back to the previous size? >> >> Thanks, >> Gary >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: currency converter?
Hi, Why not use the Google search bar if you want an approximate idea of currency conversion? I press Command-Option-F, type in "400 dollars in pounds", VO-I for item chooser menu and press "=", and then return. I get: 400 U.S. dollars = 283.869136 British pounds (pasted in using VO-Shift-C to copy the last phrase to the clipboard) Cheers, Esther On Mar 8, 2009, at 6:56 AM, Dan wrote: > > Hello, > Here's what I got with the calculator. 283.8347912 > > > Dan > > key...@comcast.net > > > > > On Mar 8, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > >> >> Confirmed here too between us dollar and Swedish krona, and between >> danish Krona and Swedish krona. I too wonder what's up. >> /Krister >> >> 8 mar 2009 kl. 17.29 skrev william lomas: >> >>> >>> hi on the unit converter widget, is something wrong with the >>> data? >>> on the currencty section >>> I typed for example 400 US dollalrs, how can that equal only seven >>> british ounds? >>> I know we are in economic downturn but lol! >>> will >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
The spell checker?
OK friends, This has bemused and confused me ever since I got my mac. Now I have an audiobook review to submit, and I need need need to use the spell checker. When I press command semicolon to start the spell checker, it comes up and reads the first misspelled word. What do I do from there? When I try to vo around to look for a list of spelling suggestions, I land back in the text edit window and it looks like I'm out of the spell checker. I suspect I'm thinking about this completely the rong way based on my experience with windows spell checking. Any help would be appreciated. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: logging on to time capsule?
Hum, I looked in system preferences, but I don't have a start up or a start items. I have a startup disc, but I don't think that's the same. I found log on items under accounts that might be something. So I can use this thing to automaticly log on to the time capsil at startup for using it as a share point right? I don't have anything to try it on right now, but I will next time I go out to this particular client. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 8-Mar-09, at 9:54 AM, Scott Bresnahan wrote: > > Hi, > > First, let's try to solve the wireless phone breaking the network > connection. I'd suggest trying to go to the Airport Administration > Utility and try to manually set the wireless channel. Playing with > the channel number could yield better wireless connections. > > Now, is the time capsule being used for time machine, or just a > network volume share point? If time machine, that's not right. It > should automatically connect you and backup without issue. If you > want to auto mount a network volume, you can just add the volume to > the startup items in the accounts system preferences. > > Best, > Scott > > ? >> Hi Guys, Got an interesting problem with a time capsil, in that >> whenever the wireless internet connection drops you have to log in >> manually to restore the connection to the tc. Right, so if you >> restart the mac you have to manually log in to the tc. Or, for >> example, he's pretty far away from the wireless device, and every >> time >> his cordless phone rings it interupts the wireless connection for a >> few seconds. When that happens you have to log back in to the time >> capsil to get at the files. >> >> So this is my first experience using one of these, and I'm wondering >> is there a way to set this up so the mac will log in to the time >> capsil automaticly whenever the wireless network is present? >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> erik burggraaf >> A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. >> Phone: 888-255-5194 >> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com >> >> >> > -- > --Scott > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The spell checker?
Hello, You need to use VO F2 twice then select the spelling and grammar window. Dan key...@comcast.net On Mar 8, 2009, at 11:35 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: > > OK friends, > > This has bemused and confused me ever since I got my mac. Now I have > an audiobook review to submit, and I need need need to use the spell > checker. When I press command semicolon to start the spell checker, > it comes up and reads the first misspelled word. What do I do from > there? When I try to vo around to look for a list of spelling > suggestions, I land back in the text edit window and it looks like I'm > out of the spell checker. I suspect I'm thinking about this > completely the rong way based on my experience with windows spell > checking. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Best, > > erik burggraaf > A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. > Phone: 888-255-5194 > Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The spell checker?
Alternatively, you could hit vo+shift+m once misspelled word is announced to get to a menu of suggested words. On 3/8/09, Dan wrote: > > Hello, > You need to use VO F2 twice then select the spelling and grammar window. > > > Dan > > key...@comcast.net > > > > > On Mar 8, 2009, at 11:35 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: > >> >> OK friends, >> >> This has bemused and confused me ever since I got my mac. Now I have >> an audiobook review to submit, and I need need need to use the spell >> checker. When I press command semicolon to start the spell checker, >> it comes up and reads the first misspelled word. What do I do from >> there? When I try to vo around to look for a list of spelling >> suggestions, I land back in the text edit window and it looks like I'm >> out of the spell checker. I suspect I'm thinking about this >> completely the rong way based on my experience with windows spell >> checking. >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> >> Best, >> >> erik burggraaf >> A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. >> Phone: 888-255-5194 >> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com >> >> >> > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The spell checker?
Hi Erik and Dan, If Erik is using the spell checker in a TextEdit window, and has pressed Command-semi-colon to go to the next misspelled word, he can use VO-Shift-M to bring up a contextual menu of possible choices and make his selection. Cheers, Esther On Mar 8, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Dan wrote: > > Hello, > You need to use VO F2 twice then select the spelling and grammar > window. > > > Dan > > key...@comcast.net > > > > > On Mar 8, 2009, at 11:35 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: > >> >> OK friends, >> >> This has bemused and confused me ever since I got my mac. Now I have >> an audiobook review to submit, and I need need need to use the spell >> checker. When I press command semicolon to start the spell checker, >> it comes up and reads the first misspelled word. What do I do from >> there? When I try to vo around to look for a list of spelling >> suggestions, I land back in the text edit window and it looks like >> I'm >> out of the spell checker. I suspect I'm thinking about this >> completely the rong way based on my experience with windows spell >> checking. >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> >> Best, >> >> erik burggraaf >> A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. >> Phone: 888-255-5194 >> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
using JAWS on my Mac
I have installed Windows on my Mac using boot camp. I am wondering if anyone knows the keyboard shortcuts for JAWS using the mac keyboard. For instance, how do I do any commands that use the "insert" key? Thanks Alena --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: using JAWS on my Mac
Not sure about this myself, but if all else fails you can use JFW's keyboard manager to reassign keys you have trouble using when bound to their default assignments. There is also apparently something called shark keys or keyshark which can reassign keys, reenabling the insert key if you can't use it now. On 3/8/09, alena.roberts2...@gmail.com wrote: > > I have installed Windows on my Mac using boot camp. I am wondering if > anyone knows the keyboard shortcuts for JAWS using the mac keyboard. > For instance, how do I do any commands that use the "insert" key? > Thanks > > Alena > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: logging on to time capsule?
Hi, My apologies. Yes, the MacOS X name is Login Items in the Accounts system preferences. The Login Items is a tab for a given selected account. My brain still fixes on the old OS 9 name for that, aka startup items. Actually, think it may have been called that under 10.2. Regardless, you can use that to have items mount upon login. The other part of your question I did not answer. What happen upon loss of the wireless connection to a mounted volume. Usually it will become unmounted and there's no automatic retry that I am aware of. To address this, you may want to add an alias of that volume on the desktop or in the favorites sidebar. That way, access will be just a click away. --Scott >Hum, I looked in system preferences, but I don't have a start up or a >start items. I have a startup disc, but I don't think that's the same. > >I found log on items under accounts that might be something. So I can >use this thing to automaticly log on to the time capsil at startup for >using it as a share point right? > >I don't have anything to try it on right now, but I will next time I >go out to this particular client. > >Best, > >erik burggraaf >A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. >Phone: 888-255-5194 >Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com > >On 8-Mar-09, at 9:54 AM, Scott Bresnahan wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> First, let's try to solve the wireless phone breaking the network >> connection. I'd suggest trying to go to the Airport Administration >> Utility and try to manually set the wireless channel. Playing with >> the channel number could yield better wireless connections. >> >> Now, is the time capsule being used for time machine, or just a >> network volume share point? If time machine, that's not right. It >> should automatically connect you and backup without issue. If you >> want to auto mount a network volume, you can just add the volume to >> the startup items in the accounts system preferences. >> >> Best, >> Scott >> >> ? >>> Hi Guys, Got an interesting problem with a time capsil, in that >>> whenever the wireless internet connection drops you have to log in >>> manually to restore the connection to the tc. Right, so if you >>> restart the mac you have to manually log in to the tc. Or, for >>> example, he's pretty far away from the wireless device, and every >>> time >>> his cordless phone rings it interupts the wireless connection for a >>> few seconds. When that happens you have to log back in to the time >>> capsil to get at the files. >>> >>> So this is my first experience using one of these, and I'm wondering >>> is there a way to set this up so the mac will log in to the time >>> capsil automaticly whenever the wireless network is present? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> erik burggraaf >>> A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. >>> Phone: 888-255-5194 >>> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> --Scott >> >> > > > > -- --Scott --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The spell checker?
Hello, I agree with you, however, consider this. That works fine in TextEdit or Pages 9, but it doesn't work in Mail. That's why I mentioned that way of doing it, because it works across most applications. And the real nice thing is that there are always different ways to do things and that makes it more exciting to figure out. Dan key...@comcast.net On Mar 8, 2009, at 11:57 AM, James Dietz wrote: > > Alternatively, you could hit vo+shift+m once misspelled word is > announced to get to a menu of suggested words. > > On 3/8/09, Dan wrote: >> >> Hello, >> You need to use VO F2 twice then select the spelling and grammar >> window. >> >> >> Dan >> >> key...@comcast.net >> >> >> >> >> On Mar 8, 2009, at 11:35 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: >> >>> >>> OK friends, >>> >>> This has bemused and confused me ever since I got my mac. Now I >>> have >>> an audiobook review to submit, and I need need need to use the spell >>> checker. When I press command semicolon to start the spell checker, >>> it comes up and reads the first misspelled word. What do I do from >>> there? When I try to vo around to look for a list of spelling >>> suggestions, I land back in the text edit window and it looks like >>> I'm >>> out of the spell checker. I suspect I'm thinking about this >>> completely the rong way based on my experience with windows spell >>> checking. >>> >>> Any help would be appreciated. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> erik burggraaf >>> A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. >>> Phone: 888-255-5194 >>> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com >>> >>> >> >> >>> >> > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The spell checker?
Hum, that's not working for me. I mean the window chooser comes up, but there is no spelling and grammer window. Just for clarity, I shut down text edit, re-opened my file, pressed command semicolon, pressed vo f2, and the list of windows had my file, and force quit. No spelling and grammer. Do I need to check a box somewhere? Thanks, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 8-Mar-09, at 11:51 AM, Dan wrote: > > Hello, > You need to use VO F2 twice then select the spelling and grammar > window. > > > Dan > > key...@comcast.net > > > > > On Mar 8, 2009, at 11:35 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: > >> >> OK friends, >> >> This has bemused and confused me ever since I got my mac. Now I have >> an audiobook review to submit, and I need need need to use the spell >> checker. When I press command semicolon to start the spell checker, >> it comes up and reads the first misspelled word. What do I do from >> there? When I try to vo around to look for a list of spelling >> suggestions, I land back in the text edit window and it looks like >> I'm >> out of the spell checker. I suspect I'm thinking about this >> completely the rong way based on my experience with windows spell >> checking. >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> >> Best, >> >> erik burggraaf >> A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. >> Phone: 888-255-5194 >> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The spell checker?
Yep, this was exactly what I needed. Leppard is wonderful, grins. Thanks, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 8-Mar-09, at 11:57 AM, James Dietz wrote: > > Alternatively, you could hit vo+shift+m once misspelled word is > announced to get to a menu of suggested words. > > On 3/8/09, Dan wrote: >> >> Hello, >> You need to use VO F2 twice then select the spelling and grammar >> window. >> >> >> Dan >> >> key...@comcast.net >> >> >> >> >> On Mar 8, 2009, at 11:35 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: >> >>> >>> OK friends, >>> >>> This has bemused and confused me ever since I got my mac. Now I >>> have >>> an audiobook review to submit, and I need need need to use the spell >>> checker. When I press command semicolon to start the spell checker, >>> it comes up and reads the first misspelled word. What do I do from >>> there? When I try to vo around to look for a list of spelling >>> suggestions, I land back in the text edit window and it looks like >>> I'm >>> out of the spell checker. I suspect I'm thinking about this >>> completely the rong way based on my experience with windows spell >>> checking. >>> >>> Any help would be appreciated. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> erik burggraaf >>> A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. >>> Phone: 888-255-5194 >>> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com >>> >>> >> >> >>> >> > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The spell checker?
Hi Erik, Dan, and James, Just to summarize about using the spell checker in different apps: In TextEdit, if you use Command-Semi-Colon to go to the next misspelled word, you can use VO-Shift-M to bring up a contextual menu and arrow down to select alternative spellings. In Mail, VO-Shift-M doesn't work, but instead you can use Command- Shift-Semi-Colon (that is, you add "Shift" to the "Command-Semi-Colon" key sequence) to bring up the "Spelling and Grammar" window. Then, you can tab to the table of alternative spellings and make your selection, or you can continue tabbing to the buttons for "Ignore", "Learn", "Find Next", and "Change" (or I use VO-right arrow if I want to go directly to "Ignore"). This command-sequence works for both TextEdit and Mail, so Dan is correct in saying it is more general. However, the "Spelling and Grammar" window only come up when your spell checking command includes the "Shift". Then, in order for the window to get focus in TextEdit you must indeed use the window chooser menu (VO-F2 twice). You can also navigate to the next misspelled word using the keys in this window and close it (Command-W) when you're done. However, Erik used "Command-Semi-Colon", and stated that he was using TextEdit, which is why I phrased my reply: "If Erik is using the spell checker in a TextEdit window, and has pressed Command-semi-colon to go to the next misspelled word, he can use VO-Shift-M to bring up a contextual menu of possible choices and make his selection." Hope this helps to explain. Cheers, Esther On Mar 8, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Dan wrote: > > Hello, > I agree with you, however, consider this. That works fine in TextEdit > or Pages 9, but it doesn't work in Mail. That's why I mentioned that > way of doing it, because it works across most applications. > And the real nice thing is that there are always different ways to do > things and that makes it more exciting to figure out. > > > Dan > > key...@comcast.net > > > > > On Mar 8, 2009, at 11:57 AM, James Dietz wrote: > >> >> Alternatively, you could hit vo+shift+m once misspelled word is >> announced to get to a menu of suggested words. >> >> On 3/8/09, Dan wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> You need to use VO F2 twice then select the spelling and grammar >>> window. >>> >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> key...@comcast.net >>> >>> --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The spell checker?
Hello, In textedit, you only need press Command Semicolon then VO M to get to the menu. The way I mentioned is this. 1. Press Command Shift Colon. You will hear either Spelling and Grammar or Hide Spelling and Grammar. 2. Now press VO F2 twice. 3. Now use the down arrow to select the spelling window and press enter. 4. Now you will use tab to move around the window and the up and down arrows to select the correct word and press enter. 5. While on a word, before you accept the spelling, you can use VO w twice to hear the spelling of the word you are going to choose. 6. When you are done, press the escape key to get back into your document. This method also works in mail. Dan key...@comcast.net On Mar 8, 2009, at 12:02 PM, erik S wrote: > > Hum, that's not working for me. I mean the window chooser comes up, > but there is no spelling andgrammar window. Just for clarity, I shut > down text edit, re-opened my file, pressed command semicolon, pressed > vo f2, and the list of windows had my file, and force quit. No > spelling and grammer. > > Do I need to check a box somewhere? > > Thanks, > > > erik burggraaf > A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. > Phone: 888-255-5194 > Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com > > On 8-Mar-09, at 11:51 AM, Dan wrote: > >> >> Hello, >> You need to use VO F2 twice then select the spelling and grammar >> window. >> >> >> Dan >> >> key...@comcast.net >> >> >> >> >> On Mar 8, 2009, at 11:35 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: >> >>> >>> OK friends, >>> >>> This has bemused and confused me ever since I got my mac. Now I >>> have >>> an audiobook review to submit, and I need need need to use the spell >>> checker. When I press command semicolon to start the spell checker, >>> it comes up and reads the first misspelled word. What do I do from >>> there? When I try to vo around to look for a list of spelling >>> suggestions, I land back in the text edit window and it looks like >>> I'm >>> out of the spell checker. I suspect I'm thinking about this >>> completely the rong way based on my experience with windows spell >>> checking. >>> >>> Any help would be appreciated. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> erik burggraaf >>> A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. >>> Phone: 888-255-5194 >>> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: espeak on mac?
ok. will other speech synths be ported such as flight or festival? i know those synths exist for windows and linux, but will they be ported in mac to work with all speech applications? On Mar 8, 2009, at 1:37 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > I am writing this now in full, smiley, after Cara got on my case about > it. I was in a rush earlier. I appologize. Here are the details. > > ISpeak, a project to port the eSpeak speech engine natively to the Mac > is kicking off this month. Hosted by VIPBC.org, the project will allow > the eSpeak voices to be used in all speech enabled applications > including Voiceover. > > All people who are interested in participating are asked to keep an > eye on http://www.vipbc.org/ . Below is a list of possible jobs that > need filling. > > Jobs: > - Perl programmer > - OBJ-C programmer > - Packager/Installer creator > - Documentationalist > - Issue Tracker > > Such positions are open for most open-source AWEBSIGHT/ICE VIPBC.org > projects. > > > > Thanks, > Alex, > > > On 7-Mar-09, at 5:27 PM, Brandon Misch wrote: > >> >> will this project allow e speak to be used with voice over? >> >> On Mar 7, 2009, at 6:13 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> The opensource project ISpeak will hit the net on March 17. Keep >>> tuned >>> in to VIPBC.org for the details. This is the project I am speaking >>> of. >>> I invite anyone to join the project. All research will be posted for >>> the enjoyment of all participants, but as I said, stay tuned. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> On 28-Feb-09, at 11:39 PM, sandi sørensen wrote: >>> hi. Alex how about you just tell us all what you have done instead of all that closeness? sounds like a better approach:) espeak is another open speech which you can sortta use with mac as it is. When i say like i do it's cause... you can use it with irc like tail-f -n1 filename|speak -s 300 and your irc-client speaks. It works okay for both irssi and xchat. so i was wanting too use it as we use fred alex and so on. To ryan: for 6 month ago you could not use flightgear as a blind person you can today. Nothing is impossible the impossible things just takes more time:) /sandi now On Mar 7, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > I figured out what needs to be done. I'm willing to let anyone who > wants into the project I've started to do this. Just E-mail me > at: asquare...@gmail.com > . I have done research on doing tis. > > Thanks, > Alex, > > > On 7-Mar-09, at 11:39 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> >> Yep, there is a package on I believe the second DVD. I dont' have >> my >> DVD handy, but I think it is in a folder called extras or >> optional >> packages. You'll know it when you encounter it. >> On Feb 28, 2009, at 10:59 PM, sandi sørensen wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi Greg thank you for your answer") >>> I was not aware i had any devtools with my mac. will go and look >>> in >>> to >>> what i got with the mini. I am nearly sure i did not get any >>> with >>> the >>> mac book air, but i can be wrong. >>> /sandi >>> >>> On Mar 7, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Greg Kearney wrote: >>> We looked into it at Curtin but had to stop do to other issue here. We did not get very far. The basic process is to make a sysnsisier for each vendor of voices. There is sample code for doing this in the developer tools that come with the mac. Greg On Mar 1, 2009, at 12:27 PM, sandi sørensen wrote: > > Greg agree. > But my main problem so far have been to find out where the > voices > are > selected. > I dont doubt i will find a way to make it work If ivox voices > can > be > added so can espeak:) > of course we would have too live with the 370 words pr minute > rule > or > so i think but that ought too be fast enough for a start at > least. > Greg was it not you who actually tried making it native at > some > point ? > /sandi > On Mar 7, 2009, at 9:42 AM, Greg Kearney wrote: > >> >> I vote for making them native voices. >> >> On Mar 1, 2009, at 11:37 AM, sandi sørensen wrote: >> >>> >>> hi all. >>> For some days ago some one asked me if espeak could be used >>> as >>> the >>> default voice on the mac so well can it ? >>> I am considering looking in too it to see what can be done >>> about >>> it. >>> I can see too ways 1 make it natively show up in the >>> voiceover >>> voice >>> selec
Re: using JAWS on my Mac
set jaws to laptop mode nd use the capslock. that is what I am doing and others as well. - Original Message - From: To: "MacVisionaries" Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:06 PM Subject: using JAWS on my Mac I have installed Windows on my Mac using boot camp. I am wondering if anyone knows the keyboard shortcuts for JAWS using the mac keyboard. For instance, how do I do any commands that use the "insert" key? Thanks Alena --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: currency converter?
I just got $400 equals £283.835 using my converter on the Dashboard Widgit. JG --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Understanding Blind User's Needs
Hi All, Let me introduce myself. My name is Martin Pilkington and I'm a software developer on the Mac. I'm starting to do a big accessibility push and I'm trying to get many developers to join me. One of the key parts of this push is a pledge to make all my applications 100% accessible by the end of 2009. I've defined 100% accessible to mean 5 things: 1. The UI available to VoiceOver users should be as user friendly as the visual UI. 2. All UI elements should have titles and/or descriptions. 3. All custom controls should provide full keyboard access. 4. There should be a clear and logical order to navigating UI fields with the keyboard. 5. Every part of an application should be reachable without the mouse. Now I'm coming at this from the perspective of someone who hasn't got a disability, so I'm hoping everyone on this list could help me. Are there any other major points you would say an application needs to be 100% accessible to you? Are there any things you would like to find in an application as a user with a visual impairment that aren't part of the standard Mac accessibility tool? For example, an option to get a full text description of the current window and how to use it, at any point in the application Hopefully I can get a lot of other Mac developers to join me in my pledge, some others have already come on board with the idea. But getting the developers on board is just one piece of the puzzle. The most important piece is understanding exactly what your current problems and wishes are for accessibility in Mac apps so any feedback you can give me is greatly appreciated. Thanks - Martin Pilkington Writer of Weird Symbols pi...@mcubedsw.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs
I think it would be cool to use the default voice set via system preferences and make it where the program can be self voiceing if needed. Also provide an option to turn on, or off the self voicing feature, this way if a user wants to use voice over, great, if not, he or she still can do what needs to be done. Also, I would make your labels for the U I, very discriptive but yet maybe slightly shorter for the interface that is viewed via a braille display. This way the point is made but only the absolutely necessary amount of cells are used, this way providing more room for other things, such as the value of the U I control. I may also advise you write your programs in cocoe as I hear that language is very very voice over friendly. Finally maybe provide an option for the program to be able to enable magnification in the program for low vision usersw. Also maybe provide an option to turn the programs U I color to high contrast. This way it even helps low vision users as well as us like myself who are nearly compltely total. Chris. Do you use Twitter? If so, then, I'd love! for you to follow me. My twitter URL is: http://twitter.com/chris28210 - Original Message - From: Martin Pilkington To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 8:25 PM Subject: Understanding Blind User's Needs Hi All, Let me introduce myself. My name is Martin Pilkington and I'm a software developer on the Mac. I'm starting to do a big accessibility push and I'm trying to get many developers to join me. One of the key parts of this push is a pledge to make all my applications 100% accessible by the end of 2009. I've defined 100% accessible to mean 5 things: 1. The UI available to VoiceOver users should be as user friendly as the visual UI. 2. All UI elements should have titles and/or descriptions. 3. All custom controls should provide full keyboard access. 4. There should be a clear and logical order to navigating UI fields with the keyboard. 5. Every part of an application should be reachable without the mouse. Now I'm coming at this from the perspective of someone who hasn't got a disability, so I'm hoping everyone on this list could help me. Are there any other major points you would say an application needs to be 100% accessible to you? Are there any things you would like to find in an application as a user with a visual impairment that aren't part of the standard Mac accessibility tool? For example, an option to get a full text description of the current window and how to use it, at any point in the application Hopefully I can get a lot of other Mac developers to join me in my pledge, some others have already come on board with the idea. But getting the developers on board is just one piece of the puzzle. The most important piece is understanding exactly what your current problems and wishes are for accessibility in Mac apps so any feedback you can give me is greatly appreciated. Thanks - Martin Pilkington Writer of Weird Symbols pi...@mcubedsw.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs
very good points chris, i agree. Though the self voicing option isn't a 100% thing, in some apps it would truly be nice. mike On Mar 8, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Chris Gilland wrote: > I think it would be cool to use the default voice set via system > preferences and make it where the program can be self voiceing if > needed. Also provide an option to turn on, or off the self voicing > feature, this way if a user wants to use voice over, great, if not, > he or she still can do what needs to be done. Also, I would make > your labels for the U I, very discriptive but yet maybe slightly > shorter for the interface that is viewed via a braille display. > This way the point is made but only the absolutely necessary amount > of cells are used, this way providing more room for other things, > such as the value of the U I control. I may also advise you write > your programs in cocoe as I hear that language is very very voice > over friendly. Finally maybe provide an option for the program to > be able to enable magnification in the program for low vision > usersw. Also maybe provide an option to turn the programs U I color > to high contrast. > > This way it even helps low vision users as well as us like myself > who are nearly compltely total. > > Chris. > > > Do you use Twitter? If so, then, I'd love! for you to follow me. > My twitter URL is: > > http://twitter.com/chris28210 > - Original Message - > From: Martin Pilkington > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 8:25 PM > Subject: Understanding Blind User's Needs > > Hi All, > > Let me introduce myself. My name is Martin Pilkington and I'm a > software developer on the Mac. I'm starting to do a big > accessibility push and I'm trying to get many developers to join me. > One of the key parts of this push is a pledge to make all my > applications 100% accessible by the end of 2009. I've defined 100% > accessible to mean 5 things: > > 1. The UI available to VoiceOver users should be as user friendly as > the visual UI. > 2. All UI elements should have titles and/or descriptions. > 3. All custom controls should provide full keyboard access. > 4. There should be a clear and logical order to navigating UI fields > with the keyboard. > 5. Every part of an application should be reachable without the mouse. > > Now I'm coming at this from the perspective of someone who hasn't > got a disability, so I'm hoping everyone on this list could help me. > Are there any other major points you would say an application needs > to be 100% accessible to you? Are there any things you would like to > find in an application as a user with a visual impairment that > aren't part of the standard Mac accessibility tool? For example, an > option to get a full text description of the current window and how > to use it, at any point in the application > > Hopefully I can get a lot of other Mac developers to join me in my > pledge, some others have already come on board with the idea. But > getting the developers on board is just one piece of the puzzle. The > most important piece is understanding exactly what your current > problems and wishes are for accessibility in Mac apps so any > feedback you can give me is greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > > - > Martin Pilkington > Writer of Weird Symbols > pi...@mcubedsw.com > > > > > > Michael Babcock GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 4121 email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net url: http://gwhosting.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs
What do you mean, it's notta 100% thing? Chris. Do you use Twitter? If so, then, I'd love! for you to follow me. My twitter URL is: http://twitter.com/chris28210 - Original Message - From: Michael Babcock To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 8:41 PM Subject: Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs very good points chris, i agree. Though the self voicing option isn't a 100% thing, in some apps it would truly be nice. mike On Mar 8, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Chris Gilland wrote: I think it would be cool to use the default voice set via system preferences and make it where the program can be self voiceing if needed. Also provide an option to turn on, or off the self voicing feature, this way if a user wants to use voice over, great, if not, he or she still can do what needs to be done. Also, I would make your labels for the U I, very discriptive but yet maybe slightly shorter for the interface that is viewed via a braille display. This way the point is made but only the absolutely necessary amount of cells are used, this way providing more room for other things, such as the value of the U I control. I may also advise you write your programs in cocoe as I hear that language is very very voice over friendly. Finally maybe provide an option for the program to be able to enable magnification in the program for low vision usersw. Also maybe provide an option to turn the programs st. This way it even helps low vision users as well as us like myself who are nearly compltely total. Chris. Do you use Twitter? If so, then, I'd love! for you to follow me. My twitter URL is: http://twitter.com/chris28210 - Original Message - From: Martin Pilkington To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 8:25 PM Subject: Understanding Blind User's Needs Hi All, Let me introduce myself. My name is Martin Pilkington and I'm a software developer on the Mac. I'm sta bility push and I'm trying to get many developers to join me. One of the key parts of this push is a pledge to make all my applications 100% accessible by the end of 2009. I've defined 100% accessible to mean 5 things: 1. The UI available to VoiceOver users should be as user friendly as the visual UI. 2. All UI elements should have titles and/or descriptions. 3. All custom controls should provide full keyboard access. 4. There should be a clear and logical order to navigating UI fields with the keyboard. 5. Every part of an application should be reachable without the mouse. Now I'm coming at this from the perspective of someone who hasn't got a disability, so I'm hoping everyone on this list could help me. Are there any other major points you would say an application needs to be 100% accessible to you? Are there any things you would like to find in an application as a user with a visual impairme e standard Mac accessibility tool? For example, an option to get a full text description of the current window and how to use it, at any point in the application Hopefully I can get a lot of other Mac developers to join me in my pledge, some others have already come on board with the idea. But getting the developers on board is just one piece of the puzzle. The most important piece is understanding exactly what your current problems and wishes are for accessibility in Mac apps so any feedback you can give me is greatly appreciated. Thanks - Martin Pilkington Writer of Weird Symbols pi...@mcubedsw.com ace; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "> Michael Babcock GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 4121 email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net url: http://gwhosting.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs
As a great example, an app like Boxee would be amazing with self voicing menus. Boxee is a media center app like FrontRow, but able to do much more. However, that doesn't help any of us, as it doesn't have hooks for Voiceover. The interface is not one that uses standard windows and objects. It is more like the menus found in video games, never the same twice and graphically intense. I believe a self voicing approach is necessary in cases like these. In standard apps, such as Skype, Pages, Safari, etc, Voiceover helps unify what already should be considered common controls and interfaces. A table in Skype looks very similar to a table in Mail, and that's what makes a Mac app so appealing. When people follow the look and feel of the OS, it helps cut down on the learning curve for the user. Ryan On Mar 8, 2009, at 7:41 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: > very good points chris, i agree. Though the self voicing option > isn't a 100% thing, in some apps it would truly be nice. > mike > > On Mar 8, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Chris Gilland wrote: > >> I think it would be cool to use the default voice set via system >> preferences and make it where the program can be self voiceing if >> needed. Also provide an option to turn on, or off the self voicing >> feature, this way if a user wants to use voice over, great, if not, >> he or she still can do what needs to be done. Also, I would make >> your labels for the U I, very discriptive but yet maybe slightly >> shorter for the interface that is viewed via a braille display. >> This way the point is made but only the absolutely necessary amount >> of cells are used, this way providing more room for other things, >> such as the value of the U I control. I may also advise you write >> your programs in cocoe as I hear that language is very very voice >> over friendly. Finally maybe provide an option for the program to >> be able to enable magnification in the program for low vision >> usersw. Also maybe provide an option to turn the programs st. >> >> This way it even helps low vision users as well as us like myself >> who are nearly compltely total. >> >> Chris. >> >> >> Do you use Twitter? If so, then, I'd love! for you to follow me. >> My twitter URL is: >> >> http://twitter.com/chris28210 >> - Original Message - >> From: Martin Pilkington >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 8:25 PM >> Subject: Understanding Blind User's Needs >> >> Hi All, >> >> Let me introduce myself. My name is Martin Pilkington and I'm a >> software developer on the Mac. I'm sta bility push and I'm trying >> to get many developers to join me. One of the key parts of this >> push is a pledge to make all my applications 100% accessible by the >> end of 2009. I've defined 100% accessible to mean 5 things: >> >> 1. The UI available to VoiceOver users should be as user friendly >> as the visual UI. >> 2. All UI elements should have titles and/or descriptions. >> 3. All custom controls should provide full keyboard access. >> 4. There should be a clear and logical order to navigating UI >> fields with the keyboard. >> 5. Every part of an application should be reachable without the >> mouse. >> >> Now I'm coming at this from the perspective of someone who hasn't >> got a disability, so I'm hoping everyone on this list could help >> me. Are there any other major points you would say an application >> needs to be 100% accessible to you? Are there any things you would >> like to find in an application as a user with a visual impairme e >> standard Mac accessibility tool? For example, an option to get a >> full text description of the current window and how to use it, at >> any point in the application >> >> Hopefully I can get a lot of other Mac developers to join me in my >> pledge, some others have already come on board with the idea. But >> getting the developers on board is just one piece of the puzzle. >> The most important piece is understanding exactly what your current >> problems and wishes are for accessibility in Mac apps so any >> feedback you can give me is greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks >> >> - >> Martin Pilkington >> Writer of Weird Symbols >> pi...@mcubedsw.com >> >> >> >> >> ace; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "> >> Michael Babcock >> GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web >> Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 4121 >> email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net >> administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net >> url: http://gwhosting.net > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisiona
Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs
Hi Chris, I'm not 100% sure whether it is possible to detect whether the user is using a braille display or not, but I'll definitely look into it. If OS X doesn't allow me to give different descriptions to braille devices I'll try and get in touch with developers at Apple to see if they can add it in a future version. As for the self voicing feature, I'm a little unsure what you mean. Could you give an example of how it would be used and what it would do? My applications are already in Cocoa and it is indeed fairly easy to make them voice over friendly, though the options to do this aren't really front and centre so they can often be forgotten. Of course not everything is quite as easy to make accessible, especially as I use custom controls in places so these will require more work. As for magnification and high contrast modes, do the system wide zoom and invert colours features not solve that problem? Some things such as making text in some areas bigger and allowing users to customise colours to give them a higher contrast are relatively easy, but to do these for everything in an application would be extremely difficult. These are more system wide features Apple would need to do themselves in order to have them done right. Thanks for your feedback! - Martin Pilkington Writer of Weird Symbols pi...@mcubedsw.com On 9 Mar 2009, at 12:37 am, Chris Gilland wrote: > I think it would be cool to use the default voice set via system > preferences and make it where the program can be self voiceing if > needed. Also provide an option to turn on, or off the self voicing > feature, this way if a user wants to use voice over, great, if not, > he or she still can do what needs to be done. Also, I would make > your labels for the U I, very discriptive but yet maybe slightly > shorter for the interface that is viewed via a braille display. > This way the point is made but only the absolutely necessary amount > of cells are used, this way providing more room for other things, > such as the value of the U I control. I may also advise you write > your programs in cocoe as I hear that language is very very voice > over friendly. Finally maybe provide an option for the program to > be able to enable magnification in the program for low vision > usersw. Also maybe provide an option to turn the programs U I color > to high contrast. > > This way it even helps low vision users as well as us like myself > who are nearly compltely total. > > Chris. > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs
By self voicing I mean, have it so that with voice over not running the program would still speak right out of the box. In other words, give the user the option of using voice over, or! being able to rely on speech just within the program itself. Kind a like what happens with the clock being self voicing upon the hr half hr or quarter, if you set that up in universal access. Hince: you don't need vo running for that to work. Chris. Do you use Twitter? If so, then, I'd love! for you to follow me. My twitter URL is: http://twitter.com/chris28210 - Original Message - From: Martin Pilkington To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:09 PM Subject: Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs Hi Chris, I'm not 100% sure whether it is possible to detect whether the user is using a braille display or not, but I'll definitely look into it. If OS X doesn't allow me to give different descriptions to braille devices I'll try and get in touch with developers at Apple to see if they can add it in a future version. As for the self voicing feature, I'm a little unsure what you mean. Could you give an example of how it would be used and what it would do? My applications are already in Cocoa and it is indeed fairly easy to make them voice over friendly, though the options to do this aren't really front and centre so they can often be forgotten. Of course not everything is quite as easy to make accessible, especially as I use custom controls in places so these will require more work. As for magnification and high contrast modes, do the system wide zoom and invert colours features not solve that problem? Some things such as making text in some areas bigger and allowing users to customise colours to give them a higher contrast are relatively easy, but to do these for everything in an application would be extremely difficult. These are more system wide features Apple would need to do themselves in order to have them done right. Thanks for your feedback! - Martin Pilkington Writer of Weird Symbols pi...@mcubedsw.com On 9 Mar 2009, at 12:37 am, Chris Gilland wrote: I think it would be cool to use the default voice set via system preferences and make it where the program can be self voiceing if needed. Also provide an option to turn on, or off the self voicing feature, this way if a user wants to use voice over, great, if not, he or she still can do what needs to be done. Also, I would make your labels for the U I, very discriptive but yet maybe slightly shorter for the interface that is viewed via a braille display. This way the point is made but only the absolutely necessary amount of cells are used, this way providing more room for other things, such as the value of the U I control. I may also advise you write your programs in cocoe as I hear that language is very very voice over friendly. Finally maybe provide an option for the program to be able to enable magnification in the program for low vision usersw. Also maybe provide an option to turn the programs U I color to high contrast. This way it even helps low vision users as well as us like myself who are nearly compltely total. Chris. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs
I think it's wonderful what you're doing and I'm with you 100%. You're setting a great example and considering how Apple is so comitted to accessibility it should be easier to get other developers on board than if you were using a different os. In any case, I saw no need for self-voicing aps until I read about the programs with completely different interfaces. I still think none should be needed if VoiceOver can do the job. As for what I'd like to see, I'd love there to be, either in the help file or in the tutorials of the applications, a list of commands so that those just learning how to use the software or those who need a refresher can easily find the answers they're seeking. Many times, I notice software that is accessible but only the visual ways of doing things are explained. Best of luck, Tiffanitsa On 08/03/2009, Chris Gilland wrote: > By self voicing I mean, have it so that with voice over not running the > program would still speak right out of the box. In other words, give the > user the option of using voice over, or! being able to rely on speech just > within the program itself. Kind a like what happens with the clock being > self voicing upon the hr half hr or quarter, if you set that up in universal > access. Hince: you don't need vo running for that to work. > > Chris. > > Do you use Twitter? If so, then, I'd love! for you to follow me. My > twitter URL is: > > http://twitter.com/chris28210 > - Original Message - > From: Martin Pilkington > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:09 PM > Subject: Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs > > > Hi Chris, > > > I'm not 100% sure whether it is possible to detect whether the user is > using a braille display or not, but I'll definitely look into it. If OS X > doesn't allow me to give different descriptions to braille devices I'll try > and get in touch with developers at Apple to see if they can add it in a > future version. As for the self voicing feature, I'm a little unsure what > you mean. Could you give an example of how it would be used and what it > would do? > > > My applications are already in Cocoa and it is indeed fairly easy to make > them voice over friendly, though the options to do this aren't really front > and centre so they can often be forgotten. Of course not everything is quite > as easy to make accessible, especially as I use custom controls in places so > these will require more work. > > > As for magnification and high contrast modes, do the system wide zoom and > invert colours features not solve that problem? Some things such as making > text in some areas bigger and allowing users to customise colours to give > them a higher contrast are relatively easy, but to do these for everything > in an application would be extremely difficult. These are more system wide > features Apple would need to do themselves in order to have them done right. > > > Thanks for your feedback! > > > - > > Martin Pilkington > > Writer of Weird Symbols > > pi...@mcubedsw.com > > > > > > On 9 Mar 2009, at 12:37 am, Chris Gilland wrote: > > > I think it would be cool to use the default voice set via system > preferences and make it where the program can be self voiceing if needed. > Also provide an option to turn on, or off the self voicing feature, this way > if a user wants to use voice over, great, if not, he or she still can do > what needs to be done. Also, I would make your labels for the U I, very > discriptive but yet maybe slightly shorter for the interface that is viewed > via a braille display. This way the point is made but only the absolutely > necessary amount of cells are used, this way providing more room for other > things, such as the value of the U I control. I may also advise you write > your programs in cocoe as I hear that language is very very voice over > friendly. Finally maybe provide an option for the program to be able to > enable magnification in the program for low vision usersw. Also maybe > provide an option to turn the programs U I color to high contrast. > > This way it even helps low vision users as well as us like myself who > are nearly compltely total. > > Chris. > > > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs
Hmm, I guess I'm just a little confused about what benefit this would have over voice over. Voice over is on every mac so it's not like you'd ever been in a situation where you don't have voice access. Unless there's something I'm not understanding it seems like it would be an awful lot of work to give you what voice over already does. - Martin Pilkington Writer of Weird Symbols pi...@mcubedsw.com On 9 Mar 2009, at 1:26 am, Chris Gilland wrote: > By self voicing I mean, have it so that with voice over not running > the program would still speak right out of the box. In other words, > give the user the option of using voice over, or! being able to rely > on speech just within the program itself. Kind a like what happens > with the clock being self voicing upon the hr half hr or quarter, if > you set that up in universal access. Hince: you don't need vo > running for that to work. > > Chris. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Viewing Chats in Adium
I'm wondering how to view chat transcripts in Adium? I tried view transcripts but it was dimmed. Where are the chats saved? Thanks, Tiffanitsa --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs
Hi Tiffany, This is exactly what I'm meaning when I talk about a sort of overview giving a full text description of a window. You could bring it up at any point and have it read to you. It would be written specifically for those using voice over to give a better idea of what is where when navigating and how it works. Thanks - Martin Pilkington Writer of Weird Symbols pi...@mcubedsw.com On 9 Mar 2009, at 1:43 am, Tiffany D wrote: > As for what I'd like to see, I'd love > there to be, either in the help file or in the tutorials of the > applications, a list of commands so that those just learning how to > use the software or those who need a refresher can easily find the > answers they're seeking. Many times, I notice software that is > accessible but only the visual ways of doing things are explained. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs
I dono, it was just a thought... I'll let others comment. Maybe I just tend to over anolyze things, but what else is new. LOL! Chris. Do you use Twitter? If so, then, I'd love! for you to follow me. My twitter URL is: http://twitter.com/chris28210 - Original Message - From: Martin Pilkington To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:46 PM Subject: Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs Hmm, I guess I'm just a little confused about what benefit this would have over voice over. Voice over is on every mac so it's not like you'd ever been in a situation where you don't have voice access. Unless there's something I'm not understanding it seems like it would be an awful lot of work to give you what voice over already does. - Martin Pilkington Writer of Weird Symbols pi...@mcubedsw.com On 9 Mar 2009, at 1:26 am, Chris Gilland wrote: By self voicing I mean, have it so that with voice over not running the program would still speak right out of the box. In other words, give the user the option of using voice over, or! being able to rely on speech just within the program itself. Kind a like what happens with the clock being self voicing upon the hr half hr or quarter, if you set that up in universal access. Hince: you don't need vo running for that to work. Chris. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs
Well, it seems to me that VoiceOver does a fine job. There is no need for each developer to rewrite a screen reader in to every application. Rather than make an application self-voicing, write hooks for voiceover, or use standard controls. I hate configuring each application's self-voicing preferences, relearning its voicing keystrokes, etc. It's nice in a game, it preserves the environment, but when I am trying to get something done, I want to use VO because I am famillier with it. Just my thoughts, everyone is entitled to his own. ps. I too like to see a "keyboard shortcuts" page in the help docs. Jason On Mar 8, 2009, at 6:46 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote: > Hmm, I guess I'm just a little confused about what benefit this > would have over voice over. Voice over is on every mac so it's not > like you'd ever been in a situation where you don't have voice > access. Unless there's something I'm not understanding it seems like > it would be an awful lot of work to give you what voice over already > does. > > - > Martin Pilkington > Writer of Weird Symbols > pi...@mcubedsw.com > > > On 9 Mar 2009, at 1:26 am, Chris Gilland wrote: > >> By self voicing I mean, have it so that with voice over not running >> the program would still speak right out of the box. In other >> words, give the user the option of using voice over, or! being able >> to rely on speech just within the program itself. Kind a like what >> happens with the clock being self voicing upon the hr half hr or >> quarter, if you set that up in universal access. Hince: you don't >> need vo running for that to work. >> >> Chris. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
mail, how to get to the other end of my list of messages
Hello, The subject line says it all, In mail, how do I get from message 1 to the last message with just one or two keystrokes? Thank you, Jason --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mail, how to get to the other end of my list of messages
OK, While interacting with a table, try VO-Shift Home and End keys to move between the very first and very last possible object. So, it will deliver you to the first item in the first row, and the last item to the far right in the very last row. If you're on a keyboard, your Home and End keys are the left and right arrow keys. To use them as Home and End keys, simply hold down the FN key as an additional modifier to VO-Shift Home and end. The FN or function key is located at the very bottom left corner of your PowerBook, MacBook, or MacBook Pro keyboard. If you've got an iMac with BlueTooth keyboard, the same layout also applies. If you get the new iMac, the keyboard that comes with it only has the portable layout, so the same applies. I hope this covers all possible configurations, so enjoy. Further reading about the use of the number pad for controlling Voiceover may also help with these tasks. Ryan On Mar 8, 2009, at 10:34 PM, Jason Custer wrote: > > Hello, > The subject line says it all, In mail, how do I get from message 1 to > the last message with just one or two keystrokes? > Thank you, > Jason > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: espeak on mac?
Hi, Possibly. But one step at a time. If you want to contribute code that does that to ISpeak, sure, by all means. Thanks, Alex, On 8-Mar-09, at 2:33 PM, Brandon Misch wrote: > > ok. will other speech synths be ported such as flight or festival? i > know those synths exist for windows and linux, but will they be ported > in mac to work with all speech applications? > > On Mar 8, 2009, at 1:37 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> I am writing this now in full, smiley, after Cara got on my case >> about >> it. I was in a rush earlier. I appologize. Here are the details. >> >> ISpeak, a project to port the eSpeak speech engine natively to the >> Mac >> is kicking off this month. Hosted by VIPBC.org, the project will >> allow >> the eSpeak voices to be used in all speech enabled applications >> including Voiceover. >> >> All people who are interested in participating are asked to keep an >> eye on http://www.vipbc.org/ . Below is a list of possible jobs that >> need filling. >> >> Jobs: >> - Perl programmer >> - OBJ-C programmer >> - Packager/Installer creator >> - Documentationalist >> - Issue Tracker >> >> Such positions are open for most open-source AWEBSIGHT/ICE VIPBC.org >> projects. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 7-Mar-09, at 5:27 PM, Brandon Misch wrote: >> >>> >>> will this project allow e speak to be used with voice over? >>> >>> On Mar 7, 2009, at 6:13 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>> Hi, The opensource project ISpeak will hit the net on March 17. Keep tuned in to VIPBC.org for the details. This is the project I am speaking of. I invite anyone to join the project. All research will be posted for the enjoyment of all participants, but as I said, stay tuned. Thanks, Alex, On 28-Feb-09, at 11:39 PM, sandi sørensen wrote: > > hi. > Alex how about you just tell us all what you have done instead of > all > that closeness? > sounds like a better approach:) > espeak is another open speech which you can sortta use with mac as > it > is. > When i say like i do it's cause... you can use it with irc like > tail-f > -n1 filename|speak -s 300 and your irc-client speaks. > It works okay for both irssi and xchat. > so i was wanting too use it as we use fred alex and so on. > To ryan: > for 6 month ago you could not use flightgear as a blind person you > can > today. > Nothing is impossible the impossible things just takes more time:) > > /sandi > now On Mar 7, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> I figured out what needs to be done. I'm willing to let anyone >> who >> wants into the project I've started to do this. Just E-mail me >> at: asquare...@gmail.com >> . I have done research on doing tis. >> >> Thanks, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 7-Mar-09, at 11:39 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> >>> Yep, there is a package on I believe the second DVD. I dont' >>> have >>> my >>> DVD handy, but I think it is in a folder called extras or >>> optional >>> packages. You'll know it when you encounter it. >>> On Feb 28, 2009, at 10:59 PM, sandi sørensen wrote: >>> Hi Greg thank you for your answer") I was not aware i had any devtools with my mac. will go and look in to what i got with the mini. I am nearly sure i did not get any with the mac book air, but i can be wrong. /sandi On Mar 7, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Greg Kearney wrote: > > We looked into it at Curtin but had to stop do to other issue > here. > We > did not get very far. The basic process is to make a > sysnsisier > for > each vendor of voices. There is sample code for doing this in > the > developer tools that come with the mac. > > Greg > On Mar 1, 2009, at 12:27 PM, sandi sørensen wrote: > >> >> Greg agree. >> But my main problem so far have been to find out where the >> voices >> are >> selected. >> I dont doubt i will find a way to make it work If ivox voices >> can >> be >> added so can espeak:) >> of course we would have too live with the 370 words pr minute >> rule >> or >> so i think but that ought too be fast enough for a start at >> least. >> Greg was it not you who actually tried making it native at >> some >> point ? >> /sandi >> On Mar 7, 2009, at 9:42 AM, Greg Kearney wrote: >> >>> >>> I vote for making them native voices. >>> >>> On Mar 1, 2009, at 11:37 AM, sandi sørensen wrote: >>> >
Re: espeak on mac?
Hi, It is coming. Check back soon. Thanks, Alex, On 1-Mar-09, at 4:33 PM, sandi sørensen wrote: > > hi alex. > i just took a very fast look at the page you posted... one question. > why have the ispeak project not been mentioned at all on the webpage? > or maybe i am looking the wrong place ? > > /sandi > > > > On Mar 7, 2009, at 10:37 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> I am writing this now in full, smiley, after Cara got on my case >> about >> it. I was in a rush earlier. I appologize. Here are the details. >> >> ISpeak, a project to port the eSpeak speech engine natively to the >> Mac >> is kicking off this month. Hosted by VIPBC.org, the project will >> allow >> the eSpeak voices to be used in all speech enabled applications >> including Voiceover. >> >> All people who are interested in participating are asked to keep an >> eye on http://www.vipbc.org/ . Below is a list of possible jobs that >> need filling. >> >> Jobs: >> - Perl programmer >> - OBJ-C programmer >> - Packager/Installer creator >> - Documentationalist >> - Issue Tracker >> >> Such positions are open for most open-source AWEBSIGHT/ICE VIPBC.org >> projects. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 7-Mar-09, at 5:27 PM, Brandon Misch wrote: >> >>> >>> will this project allow e speak to be used with voice over? >>> >>> On Mar 7, 2009, at 6:13 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>> Hi, The opensource project ISpeak will hit the net on March 17. Keep tuned in to VIPBC.org for the details. This is the project I am speaking of. I invite anyone to join the project. All research will be posted for the enjoyment of all participants, but as I said, stay tuned. Thanks, Alex, On 28-Feb-09, at 11:39 PM, sandi sørensen wrote: > > hi. > Alex how about you just tell us all what you have done instead of > all > that closeness? > sounds like a better approach:) > espeak is another open speech which you can sortta use with mac as > it > is. > When i say like i do it's cause... you can use it with irc like > tail-f > -n1 filename|speak -s 300 and your irc-client speaks. > It works okay for both irssi and xchat. > so i was wanting too use it as we use fred alex and so on. > To ryan: > for 6 month ago you could not use flightgear as a blind person you > can > today. > Nothing is impossible the impossible things just takes more time:) > > /sandi > now On Mar 7, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> I figured out what needs to be done. I'm willing to let anyone >> who >> wants into the project I've started to do this. Just E-mail me >> at: asquare...@gmail.com >> . I have done research on doing tis. >> >> Thanks, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 7-Mar-09, at 11:39 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> >>> Yep, there is a package on I believe the second DVD. I dont' >>> have >>> my >>> DVD handy, but I think it is in a folder called extras or >>> optional >>> packages. You'll know it when you encounter it. >>> On Feb 28, 2009, at 10:59 PM, sandi sørensen wrote: >>> Hi Greg thank you for your answer") I was not aware i had any devtools with my mac. will go and look in to what i got with the mini. I am nearly sure i did not get any with the mac book air, but i can be wrong. /sandi On Mar 7, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Greg Kearney wrote: > > We looked into it at Curtin but had to stop do to other issue > here. > We > did not get very far. The basic process is to make a > sysnsisier > for > each vendor of voices. There is sample code for doing this in > the > developer tools that come with the mac. > > Greg > On Mar 1, 2009, at 12:27 PM, sandi sørensen wrote: > >> >> Greg agree. >> But my main problem so far have been to find out where the >> voices >> are >> selected. >> I dont doubt i will find a way to make it work If ivox voices >> can >> be >> added so can espeak:) >> of course we would have too live with the 370 words pr minute >> rule >> or >> so i think but that ought too be fast enough for a start at >> least. >> Greg was it not you who actually tried making it native at >> some >> point ? >> /sandi >> On Mar 7, 2009, at 9:42 AM, Greg Kearney wrote: >> >>> >>> I vote for making them native voices. >>> >>> On Mar 1, 2009, at 11:37 AM, sandi sørensen wrote: >>> hi all. For some days ago some one ask
Re: espeak on mac?
o i see. can't wait to see this in action on te 17th. On Mar 9, 2009, at 12:10 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > Possibly. But one step at a time. If you want to contribute code that > does that to ISpeak, sure, by all means. > > Thanks, > Alex, > > > On 8-Mar-09, at 2:33 PM, Brandon Misch wrote: > >> >> ok. will other speech synths be ported such as flight or festival? i >> know those synths exist for windows and linux, but will they be >> ported >> in mac to work with all speech applications? >> >> On Mar 8, 2009, at 1:37 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I am writing this now in full, smiley, after Cara got on my case >>> about >>> it. I was in a rush earlier. I appologize. Here are the details. >>> >>> ISpeak, a project to port the eSpeak speech engine natively to the >>> Mac >>> is kicking off this month. Hosted by VIPBC.org, the project will >>> allow >>> the eSpeak voices to be used in all speech enabled applications >>> including Voiceover. >>> >>> All people who are interested in participating are asked to keep an >>> eye on http://www.vipbc.org/ . Below is a list of possible jobs that >>> need filling. >>> >>> Jobs: >>> - Perl programmer >>> - OBJ-C programmer >>> - Packager/Installer creator >>> - Documentationalist >>> - Issue Tracker >>> >>> Such positions are open for most open-source AWEBSIGHT/ICE VIPBC.org >>> projects. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> On 7-Mar-09, at 5:27 PM, Brandon Misch wrote: >>> will this project allow e speak to be used with voice over? On Mar 7, 2009, at 6:13 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > The opensource project ISpeak will hit the net on March 17. Keep > tuned > in to VIPBC.org for the details. This is the project I am speaking > of. > I invite anyone to join the project. All research will be posted > for > the enjoyment of all participants, but as I said, stay tuned. > > Thanks, > Alex, > > > On 28-Feb-09, at 11:39 PM, sandi sørensen wrote: > >> >> hi. >> Alex how about you just tell us all what you have done instead of >> all >> that closeness? >> sounds like a better approach:) >> espeak is another open speech which you can sortta use with mac >> as >> it >> is. >> When i say like i do it's cause... you can use it with irc like >> tail-f >> -n1 filename|speak -s 300 and your irc-client speaks. >> It works okay for both irssi and xchat. >> so i was wanting too use it as we use fred alex and so on. >> To ryan: >> for 6 month ago you could not use flightgear as a blind person >> you >> can >> today. >> Nothing is impossible the impossible things just takes more >> time:) >> >> /sandi >> now On Mar 7, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I figured out what needs to be done. I'm willing to let anyone >>> who >>> wants into the project I've started to do this. Just E-mail me >>> at: asquare...@gmail.com >>> . I have done research on doing tis. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> On 7-Mar-09, at 11:39 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>> Yep, there is a package on I believe the second DVD. I dont' have my DVD handy, but I think it is in a folder called extras or optional packages. You'll know it when you encounter it. On Feb 28, 2009, at 10:59 PM, sandi sørensen wrote: > > Hi Greg thank you for your answer") > I was not aware i had any devtools with my mac. will go and > look > in > to > what i got with the mini. I am nearly sure i did not get any > with > the > mac book air, but i can be wrong. > /sandi > > On Mar 7, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Greg Kearney wrote: > >> >> We looked into it at Curtin but had to stop do to other issue >> here. >> We >> did not get very far. The basic process is to make a >> sysnsisier >> for >> each vendor of voices. There is sample code for doing this in >> the >> developer tools that come with the mac. >> >> Greg >> On Mar 1, 2009, at 12:27 PM, sandi sørensen wrote: >> >>> >>> Greg agree. >>> But my main problem so far have been to find out where the >>> voices >>> are >>> selected. >>> I dont doubt i will find a way to make it work If ivox >>> voices >>> can >>> be >>> added so can espeak:) >>> of course we would have too live with the 370 words pr >>> minute >>> rule >>> or >>> so i think but that ought too be fast enough for a start at >>> least. >>> Greg was it not you who a
Re: espeak on mac?
ok cool. will this be downloadable or will someone have to log in to get it. On Mar 9, 2009, at 12:11 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > It is coming. Check back soon. > > Thanks, > Alex, > > > On 1-Mar-09, at 4:33 PM, sandi sørensen wrote: > >> >> hi alex. >> i just took a very fast look at the page you posted... one question. >> why have the ispeak project not been mentioned at all on the >> webpage? >> or maybe i am looking the wrong place ? >> >> /sandi >> >> >> >> On Mar 7, 2009, at 10:37 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I am writing this now in full, smiley, after Cara got on my case >>> about >>> it. I was in a rush earlier. I appologize. Here are the details. >>> >>> ISpeak, a project to port the eSpeak speech engine natively to the >>> Mac >>> is kicking off this month. Hosted by VIPBC.org, the project will >>> allow >>> the eSpeak voices to be used in all speech enabled applications >>> including Voiceover. >>> >>> All people who are interested in participating are asked to keep an >>> eye on http://www.vipbc.org/ . Below is a list of possible jobs that >>> need filling. >>> >>> Jobs: >>> - Perl programmer >>> - OBJ-C programmer >>> - Packager/Installer creator >>> - Documentationalist >>> - Issue Tracker >>> >>> Such positions are open for most open-source AWEBSIGHT/ICE VIPBC.org >>> projects. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> On 7-Mar-09, at 5:27 PM, Brandon Misch wrote: >>> will this project allow e speak to be used with voice over? On Mar 7, 2009, at 6:13 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > The opensource project ISpeak will hit the net on March 17. Keep > tuned > in to VIPBC.org for the details. This is the project I am speaking > of. > I invite anyone to join the project. All research will be posted > for > the enjoyment of all participants, but as I said, stay tuned. > > Thanks, > Alex, > > > On 28-Feb-09, at 11:39 PM, sandi sørensen wrote: > >> >> hi. >> Alex how about you just tell us all what you have done instead of >> all >> that closeness? >> sounds like a better approach:) >> espeak is another open speech which you can sortta use with mac >> as >> it >> is. >> When i say like i do it's cause... you can use it with irc like >> tail-f >> -n1 filename|speak -s 300 and your irc-client speaks. >> It works okay for both irssi and xchat. >> so i was wanting too use it as we use fred alex and so on. >> To ryan: >> for 6 month ago you could not use flightgear as a blind person >> you >> can >> today. >> Nothing is impossible the impossible things just takes more >> time:) >> >> /sandi >> now On Mar 7, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I figured out what needs to be done. I'm willing to let anyone >>> who >>> wants into the project I've started to do this. Just E-mail me >>> at: asquare...@gmail.com >>> . I have done research on doing tis. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> On 7-Mar-09, at 11:39 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>> Yep, there is a package on I believe the second DVD. I dont' have my DVD handy, but I think it is in a folder called extras or optional packages. You'll know it when you encounter it. On Feb 28, 2009, at 10:59 PM, sandi sørensen wrote: > > Hi Greg thank you for your answer") > I was not aware i had any devtools with my mac. will go and > look > in > to > what i got with the mini. I am nearly sure i did not get any > with > the > mac book air, but i can be wrong. > /sandi > > On Mar 7, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Greg Kearney wrote: > >> >> We looked into it at Curtin but had to stop do to other issue >> here. >> We >> did not get very far. The basic process is to make a >> sysnsisier >> for >> each vendor of voices. There is sample code for doing this in >> the >> developer tools that come with the mac. >> >> Greg >> On Mar 1, 2009, at 12:27 PM, sandi sørensen wrote: >> >>> >>> Greg agree. >>> But my main problem so far have been to find out where the >>> voices >>> are >>> selected. >>> I dont doubt i will find a way to make it work If ivox >>> voices >>> can >>> be >>> added so can espeak:) >>> of course we would have too live with the 370 words pr >>> minute >>> rule >>> or >>> so i think but that ought too be fast enough for a start at >>> least. >>> Greg was it not you who actually tried making it nativ
Re: espeak on mac?
Hi, Hmm, If I'm feeling nice, smiley, which I am, yes, you can download it. Thanks, Alex, On 8-Mar-09, at 9:15 PM, Brandon Misch wrote: > > ok cool. will this be downloadable or will someone have to log in to > get it. > > On Mar 9, 2009, at 12:11 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> It is coming. Check back soon. >> >> Thanks, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 1-Mar-09, at 4:33 PM, sandi sørensen wrote: >> >>> >>> hi alex. >>> i just took a very fast look at the page you posted... one question. >>> why have the ispeak project not been mentioned at all on the >>> webpage? >>> or maybe i am looking the wrong place ? >>> >>> /sandi >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 7, 2009, at 10:37 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>> Hi, I am writing this now in full, smiley, after Cara got on my case about it. I was in a rush earlier. I appologize. Here are the details. ISpeak, a project to port the eSpeak speech engine natively to the Mac is kicking off this month. Hosted by VIPBC.org, the project will allow the eSpeak voices to be used in all speech enabled applications including Voiceover. All people who are interested in participating are asked to keep an eye on http://www.vipbc.org/ . Below is a list of possible jobs that need filling. Jobs: - Perl programmer - OBJ-C programmer - Packager/Installer creator - Documentationalist - Issue Tracker Such positions are open for most open-source AWEBSIGHT/ICE VIPBC.org projects. Thanks, Alex, On 7-Mar-09, at 5:27 PM, Brandon Misch wrote: > > will this project allow e speak to be used with voice over? > > On Mar 7, 2009, at 6:13 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> The opensource project ISpeak will hit the net on March 17. Keep >> tuned >> in to VIPBC.org for the details. This is the project I am >> speaking >> of. >> I invite anyone to join the project. All research will be posted >> for >> the enjoyment of all participants, but as I said, stay tuned. >> >> Thanks, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 28-Feb-09, at 11:39 PM, sandi sørensen wrote: >> >>> >>> hi. >>> Alex how about you just tell us all what you have done instead >>> of >>> all >>> that closeness? >>> sounds like a better approach:) >>> espeak is another open speech which you can sortta use with mac >>> as >>> it >>> is. >>> When i say like i do it's cause... you can use it with irc like >>> tail-f >>> -n1 filename|speak -s 300 and your irc-client speaks. >>> It works okay for both irssi and xchat. >>> so i was wanting too use it as we use fred alex and so on. >>> To ryan: >>> for 6 month ago you could not use flightgear as a blind person >>> you >>> can >>> today. >>> Nothing is impossible the impossible things just takes more >>> time:) >>> >>> /sandi >>> now On Mar 7, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>> Hi, I figured out what needs to be done. I'm willing to let anyone who wants into the project I've started to do this. Just E-mail me at: asquare...@gmail.com . I have done research on doing tis. Thanks, Alex, On 7-Mar-09, at 11:39 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > > Yep, there is a package on I believe the second DVD. I dont' > have > my > DVD handy, but I think it is in a folder called extras or > optional > packages. You'll know it when you encounter it. > On Feb 28, 2009, at 10:59 PM, sandi sørensen wrote: > >> >> Hi Greg thank you for your answer") >> I was not aware i had any devtools with my mac. will go and >> look >> in >> to >> what i got with the mini. I am nearly sure i did not get any >> with >> the >> mac book air, but i can be wrong. >> /sandi >> >> On Mar 7, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Greg Kearney wrote: >> >>> >>> We looked into it at Curtin but had to stop do to other >>> issue >>> here. >>> We >>> did not get very far. The basic process is to make a >>> sysnsisier >>> for >>> each vendor of voices. There is sample code for doing this >>> in >>> the >>> developer tools that come with the mac. >>> >>> Greg >>> On Mar 1, 2009, at 12:27 PM, sandi sørensen wrote: >>> Greg agree. But my main problem so far have been to find out where the voices are selected. I dont doubt i will find a way to make it work If
Re: mail, how to get to the other end of my list of messages
Hi Jason and Ryan, JC asked: > >> The subject line says it all, In mail, how do I get from message 1 to >> the last message with just one or two keystrokes? Esther: I've been playing with occasionally using a USB NumPad and NumPad Commander with my MacBook, so I'll add the default sequences to move to the beginning or end of a table (in mail or other instances) with NumPad Commander to Ryan's excellent summary. •To move to the first element of a table, after interacting: VO-Shift- Home On a laptop, with no dedicated home key: VO-Fn-Shift-Left Arrow Using default NumPad Commander definitions, with NumPad Commander turned on (in VoiceOver Utility): Shift-7 •To move to the last element of a table, after interacting: VO-Shift-End On a laptop, with no dedicated end key: VO-Fn-Shift-Right Arrow Using default NumPad Commander definitions, with NumPad Commander turned on: Shift-1 NumPad Commander should work either with embedded numeric keypads in laptops with an F6 NumLock key, full keyboards with a NumPad, and laptops with an attached NumPad. I haven't had a chance to try this with a laptop that has an embedded NumPad -- the only ones I have ready access to still run Tiger. But you should be able to use NumPad Commander, too. Cheers, Esther --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: espeak on mac?
that's good. too bad people can't get a way to try it out now. lol. On Mar 9, 2009, at 12:19 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > Hmm, If I'm feeling nice, smiley, which I am, yes, you can download > it. > > Thanks, > Alex, > > > On 8-Mar-09, at 9:15 PM, Brandon Misch wrote: > >> >> ok cool. will this be downloadable or will someone have to log in to >> get it. >> >> On Mar 9, 2009, at 12:11 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> It is coming. Check back soon. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> On 1-Mar-09, at 4:33 PM, sandi sørensen wrote: >>> hi alex. i just took a very fast look at the page you posted... one question. why have the ispeak project not been mentioned at all on the webpage? or maybe i am looking the wrong place ? /sandi On Mar 7, 2009, at 10:37 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > I am writing this now in full, smiley, after Cara got on my case > about > it. I was in a rush earlier. I appologize. Here are the details. > > ISpeak, a project to port the eSpeak speech engine natively to the > Mac > is kicking off this month. Hosted by VIPBC.org, the project will > allow > the eSpeak voices to be used in all speech enabled applications > including Voiceover. > > All people who are interested in participating are asked to keep > an > eye on http://www.vipbc.org/ . Below is a list of possible jobs > that > need filling. > > Jobs: > - Perl programmer > - OBJ-C programmer > - Packager/Installer creator > - Documentationalist > - Issue Tracker > > Such positions are open for most open-source AWEBSIGHT/ICE > VIPBC.org > projects. > > > > Thanks, > Alex, > > > On 7-Mar-09, at 5:27 PM, Brandon Misch wrote: > >> >> will this project allow e speak to be used with voice over? >> >> On Mar 7, 2009, at 6:13 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> The opensource project ISpeak will hit the net on March 17. Keep >>> tuned >>> in to VIPBC.org for the details. This is the project I am >>> speaking >>> of. >>> I invite anyone to join the project. All research will be posted >>> for >>> the enjoyment of all participants, but as I said, stay tuned. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> On 28-Feb-09, at 11:39 PM, sandi sørensen wrote: >>> hi. Alex how about you just tell us all what you have done instead of all that closeness? sounds like a better approach:) espeak is another open speech which you can sortta use with mac as it is. When i say like i do it's cause... you can use it with irc like tail-f -n1 filename|speak -s 300 and your irc-client speaks. It works okay for both irssi and xchat. so i was wanting too use it as we use fred alex and so on. To ryan: for 6 month ago you could not use flightgear as a blind person you can today. Nothing is impossible the impossible things just takes more time:) /sandi now On Mar 7, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > I figured out what needs to be done. I'm willing to let anyone > who > wants into the project I've started to do this. Just E-mail me > at: asquare...@gmail.com > . I have done research on doing tis. > > Thanks, > Alex, > > > On 7-Mar-09, at 11:39 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> >> Yep, there is a package on I believe the second DVD. I dont' >> have >> my >> DVD handy, but I think it is in a folder called extras or >> optional >> packages. You'll know it when you encounter it. >> On Feb 28, 2009, at 10:59 PM, sandi sørensen wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi Greg thank you for your answer") >>> I was not aware i had any devtools with my mac. will go and >>> look >>> in >>> to >>> what i got with the mini. I am nearly sure i did not get any >>> with >>> the >>> mac book air, but i can be wrong. >>> /sandi >>> >>> On Mar 7, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Greg Kearney wrote: >>> We looked into it at Curtin but had to stop do to other issue here. We did not get very far. The basic process is to make a sysnsisier for each vendor of voices. There is sample code for doing this in the developer tools that come with the mac. >>
Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs
Hi Martin, First, thank you for making your programs accessible. Second, I would like to share my brief thoughts on the subject. I like your five objectives a lot. I think that if you can achieve all five of them, no further work will be necessary on your part. Some others have encouraged you to build self voicing capabilities into your programs, but I do not think this is necessary. I'm concerned first and foremost, that it would be a lot of work, and a possible deterrent to other apple developers thinking about future accessibility projects. I do want accessible apps, but this should be as easy to do as possible on the developers part. You are being considerate of us, so we should be considerate of you and your time and use pre-existing tools like VO to get the job done. Second, like another poster said, I find the voiceover settings and commands convenient for use in all programs. It would be counter intuitive to add different voicing keystrokes. Thank you for reading, and I look forward to your useable applications for the mac. If there is anything I can do to help, please let me know. Sincerely, John On Mar 8, 2009, at 8:25 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote: > Hi All, > > Let me introduce myself. My name is Martin Pilkington and I'm a > software developer on the Mac. I'm starting to do a big > accessibility push and I'm trying to get many developers to join me. > One of the key parts of this push is a pledge to make all my > applications 100% accessible by the end of 2009. I've defined 100% > accessible to mean 5 things: > > 1. The UI available to VoiceOver users should be as user friendly as > the visual UI. > 2. All UI elements should have titles and/or descriptions. > 3. All custom controls should provide full keyboard access. > 4. There should be a clear and logical order to navigating UI fields > with the keyboard. > 5. Every part of an application should be reachable without the mouse. > > Now I'm coming at this from the perspective of someone who hasn't > got a disability, so I'm hoping everyone on this list could help me. > Are there any other major points you would say an application needs > to be 100% accessible to you? Are there any things you would like to > find in an application as a user with a visual impairment that > aren't part of the standard Mac accessibility tool? For example, an > option to get a full text description of the current window and how > to use it, at any point in the application > > Hopefully I can get a lot of other Mac developers to join me in my > pledge, some others have already come on board with the idea. But > getting the developers on board is just one piece of the puzzle. The > most important piece is understanding exactly what your current > problems and wishes are for accessibility in Mac apps so any > feedback you can give me is greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > > - > Martin Pilkington > Writer of Weird Symbols > pi...@mcubedsw.com > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mail, how to get to the other end of my list of messages
Thanks, I have a white macbook, the plastic one. That was a big help! Jason On Mar 8, 2009, at 8:41 PM, Ryan Dour wrote: > > OK, > > While interacting with a table, try VO-Shift Home and End keys to move > between the very first and very last possible object. So, it will > deliver you to the first item in the first row, and the last item to > the far right in the very last row. > > If you're on a keyboard, your Home and End keys are the left and right > arrow keys. To use them as Home and End keys, simply hold down the FN > key as an additional modifier to VO-Shift Home and end. The FN or > function key is located at the very bottom left corner of your > PowerBook, MacBook, or MacBook Pro keyboard. If you've got an iMac > with BlueTooth keyboard, the same layout also applies. If you get the > new iMac, the keyboard that comes with it only has the portable > layout, so the same applies. > > I hope this covers all possible configurations, so enjoy. Further > reading about the use of the number pad for controlling Voiceover may > also help with these tasks. > > Ryan > > On Mar 8, 2009, at 10:34 PM, Jason Custer wrote: > >> >> Hello, >> The subject line says it all, In mail, how do I get from message 1 to >> the last message with just one or two keystrokes? >> Thank you, >> Jason >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Understanding Blind User's Needs
Self voicing defeats the purpose of Voice-over and causes undo work on the part of the developer. What Ryan was saying about Boxy makes sense, but to self-voice an app that can already be used by voiceover seems almost overboard. Also, if you selfvoice an app, how do you account for dynamic text that changes all the time in a window? Voiceover would need to be active to view any dynamically changing text or text that you input when interacting with said application such as skype chats or viewing screen names in a list or something that is completely unpredictable from session to session.Just my thoughts. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
ISpeak V0.1 released today
Hi, ISpeak V0.1 is available for free download. It is a very biginning stage of the operation so don't expect very much. http://www.vipbc.org/downloads/ Thanks, Alex, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs
we already have this in vo. On Mar 8, 2009, at 9:59 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote: Hi Tiffany, This is exactly what I'm meaning when I talk about a sort of overview giving a full text description of a window. You could bring it up at any point and have it read to you. It would be written specifically for those using voice over to give a better idea of what is where when navigating and how it works. Thanks - Martin Pilkington Writer of Weird Symbols pi...@mcubedsw.com On 9 Mar 2009, at 1:43 am, Tiffany D wrote: > As for what I'd like to see, I'd love > there to be, either in the help file or in the tutorials of the > applications, a list of commands so that those just learning how to > use the software or those who need a refresher can easily find the > answers they're seeking. Many times, I notice software that is > accessible but only the visual ways of doing things are explained. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs
The visual ways of doing things re explained but we have full access via the keyboard to the gui if it is accessible. On Mar 8, 2009, at 9:43 PM, Tiffany D wrote: I think it's wonderful what you're doing and I'm with you 100%. You're setting a great example and considering how Apple is so comitted to accessibility it should be easier to get other developers on board than if you were using a different os. In any case, I saw no need for self-voicing aps until I read about the programs with completely different interfaces. I still think none should be needed if VoiceOver can do the job. As for what I'd like to see, I'd love there to be, either in the help file or in the tutorials of the applications, a list of commands so that those just learning how to use the software or those who need a refresher can easily find the answers they're seeking. Many times, I notice software that is accessible but only the visual ways of doing things are explained. Best of luck, Tiffanitsa On 08/03/2009, Chris Gilland wrote: > By self voicing I mean, have it so that with voice over not running > the > program would still speak right out of the box. In other words, > give the > user the option of using voice over, or! being able to rely on > speech just > within the program itself. Kind a like what happens with the clock > being > self voicing upon the hr half hr or quarter, if you set that up in > universal > access. Hince: you don't need vo running for that to work. > > Chris. > > Do you use Twitter? If so, then, I'd love! for you to follow me. My > twitter URL is: > > http://twitter.com/chris28210 > - Original Message - > From: Martin Pilkington > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:09 PM > Subject: Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs > > > Hi Chris, > > > I'm not 100% sure whether it is possible to detect whether the user > is > using a braille display or not, but I'll definitely look into it. If > OS X > doesn't allow me to give different descriptions to braille devices > I'll try > and get in touch with developers at Apple to see if they can add it > in a > future version. As for the self voicing feature, I'm a little unsure > what > you mean. Could you give an example of how it would be used and what > it > would do? > > > My applications are already in Cocoa and it is indeed fairly easy > to make > them voice over friendly, though the options to do this aren't > really front > and centre so they can often be forgotten. Of course not everything > is quite > as easy to make accessible, especially as I use custom controls in > places so > these will require more work. > > > As for magnification and high contrast modes, do the system wide > zoom and > invert colours features not solve that problem? Some things such as > making > text in some areas bigger and allowing users to customise colours to > give > them a higher contrast are relatively easy, but to do these for > everything > in an application would be extremely difficult. These are more > system wide > features Apple would need to do themselves in order to have them > done right. > > > Thanks for your feedback! > > > - > > Martin Pilkington > > Writer of Weird Symbols > > pi...@mcubedsw.com > > > > > > On 9 Mar 2009, at 12:37 am, Chris Gilland wrote: > > >I think it would be cool to use the default voice set via system > preferences and make it where the program can be self voiceing if > needed. > Also provide an option to turn on, or off the self voicing feature, > this way > if a user wants to use voice over, great, if not, he or she still > can do > what needs to be done. Also, I would make your labels for the U I, > very > discriptive but yet maybe slightly shorter for the interface that is > viewed > via a braille display. This way the point is made but only the > absolutely > necessary amount of cells are used, this way providing more room for > other > things, such as the value of the U I control. I may also advise you > write > your programs in cocoe as I hear that language is very very voice over > friendly. Finally maybe provide an option for the program to be > able to > enable magnification in the program for low vision usersw. Also maybe > provide an option to turn the programs U I color to high contrast. > >This way it even helps low vision users as well as us like myself > who > are nearly compltely total. > >Chris. > > > > > > > >> > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--
Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs
this is redundant. the clock is self voicing on the hour for those who don't need vo to take advantage of it. if I had a mind to, I'm sure I could write an app to have vo announce te time at peridocic intervals. The only reason to make an app self voicing is that it cannot fit into the normal paradigm. consider chess and the calculator. On Mar 8, 2009, at 9:26 PM, Chris Gilland wrote: By self voicing I mean, have it so that with voice over not running the program would still speak right out of the box. In other words, give the user the option of using voice over, or! being able to rely on speech just within the program itself. Kind a like what happens with the clock being self voicing upon the hr half hr or quarter, if you set that up in universal access. Hince: you don't need vo running for that to work. Chris. Do you use Twitter? If so, then, I'd love! for you to follow me. My twitter URL is: http://twitter.com/chris28210 - Original Message - From: Martin Pilkington To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:09 PM Subject: Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs Hi Chris, I'm not 100% sure whether it is possible to detect whether the user is using a braille display or not, but I'll definitely look into it. If OS X doesn't allow me to give different descriptions to braille devices I'll try and get in touch with developers at Apple to see if they can add it in a future version. As for the self voicing feature, I'm a little unsure what you mean. Could you give an example of how it would be used and what it would do? My applications are already in Cocoa and it is indeed fairly easy to make them voice over friendly, though the options to do this aren't really front and centre so they can often be forgotten. Of course not everything is quite as easy to make accessible, especially as I use custom controls in places so these will require more work. As for magnification and high contrast modes, do the system wide zoom and invert colours features not solve that problem? Some things such as making text in some areas bigger and allowing users to customise colours to give them a higher contrast are relatively easy, but to do these for everything in an application would be extremely difficult. These are more system wide features Apple would need to do themselves in order to have them done right. Thanks for your feedback! - Martin Pilkington Writer of Weird Symbols pi...@mcubedsw.com On 9 Mar 2009, at 12:37 am, Chris Gilland wrote: > I think it would be cool to use the default voice set via system > preferences and make it where the program can be self voiceing if > needed. Also provide an option to turn on, or off the self voicing > feature, this way if a user wants to use voice over, great, if not, > he or she still can do what needs to be done. Also, I would make > your labels for the U I, very discriptive but yet maybe slightly > shorter for the interface that is viewed via a braille display. > This way the point is made but only the absolutely necessary amount > of cells are used, this way providing more room for other things, > such as the value of the U I control. I may also advise you write > your programs in cocoe as I hear that language is very very voice > over friendly. Finally maybe provide an option for the program to > be able to enable magnification in the program for low vision > usersw. Also maybe provide an option to turn the programs U I color > to high contrast. > > This way it even helps low vision users as well as us like myself > who are nearly compltely total. > > Chris. > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs
it is not possible to do braille display detection for your purposes on the mac os. On Mar 8, 2009, at 9:09 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote: Hi Chris, I'm not 100% sure whether it is possible to detect whether the user is using a braille display or not, but I'll definitely look into it. If OS X doesn't allow me to give different descriptions to braille devices I'll try and get in touch with developers at Apple to see if they can add it in a future version. As for the self voicing feature, I'm a little unsure what you mean. Could you give an example of how it would be used and what it would do? My applications are already in Cocoa and it is indeed fairly easy to make them voice over friendly, though the options to do this aren't really front and centre so they can often be forgotten. Of course not everything is quite as easy to make accessible, especially as I use custom controls in places so these will require more work. As for magnification and high contrast modes, do the system wide zoom and invert colours features not solve that problem? Some things such as making text in some areas bigger and allowing users to customise colours to give them a higher contrast are relatively easy, but to do these for everything in an application would be extremely difficult. These are more system wide features Apple would need to do themselves in order to have them done right. Thanks for your feedback! - Martin Pilkington Writer of Weird Symbols pi...@mcubedsw.com On 9 Mar 2009, at 12:37 am, Chris Gilland wrote: > I think it would be cool to use the default voice set via system > preferences and make it where the program can be self voiceing if > needed. Also provide an option to turn on, or off the self voicing > feature, this way if a user wants to use voice over, great, if not, > he or she still can do what needs to be done. Also, I would make > your labels for the U I, very discriptive but yet maybe slightly > shorter for the interface that is viewed via a braille display. > This way the point is made but only the absolutely necessary amount > of cells are used, this way providing more room for other things, > such as the value of the U I control. I may also advise you write > your programs in cocoe as I hear that language is very very voice > over friendly. Finally maybe provide an option for the program to > be able to enable magnification in the program for low vision > usersw. Also maybe provide an option to turn the programs U I color > to high contrast. > > This way it even helps low vision users as well as us like myself > who are nearly compltely total. > > Chris. > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs
You should be talking to greg kearny. On Mar 8, 2009, at 9:06 PM, Ryan Dour wrote: As a great example, an app like Boxee would be amazing with self voicing menus. Boxee is a media center app like FrontRow, but able to do much more. However, that doesn't help any of us, as it doesn't have hooks for Voiceover. The interface is not one that uses standard windows and objects. It is more like the menus found in video games, never the same twice and graphically intense. I believe a self voicing approach is necessary in cases like these. In standard apps, such as Skype, Pages, Safari, etc, Voiceover helps unify what already should be considered common controls and interfaces. A table in Skype looks very similar to a table in Mail, and that's what makes a Mac app so appealing. When people follow the look and feel of the OS, it helps cut down on the learning curve for the user. Ryan On Mar 8, 2009, at 7:41 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: > very good points chris, i agree. Though the self voicing option > isn't a 100% thing, in some apps it would truly be nice. > mike > > On Mar 8, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Chris Gilland wrote: > >> I think it would be cool to use the default voice set via system >> preferences and make it where the program can be self voiceing if >> needed. Also provide an option to turn on, or off the self voicing >> feature, this way if a user wants to use voice over, great, if not, >> he or she still can do what needs to be done. Also, I would make >> your labels for the U I, very discriptive but yet maybe slightly >> shorter for the interface that is viewed via a braille display. >> This way the point is made but only the absolutely necessary amount >> of cells are used, this way providing more room for other things, >> such as the value of the U I control. I may also advise you write >> your programs in cocoe as I hear that language is very very voice >> over friendly. Finally maybe provide an option for the program to >> be able to enable magnification in the program for low vision >> usersw. Also maybe provide an option to turn the programs st. >> >> This way it even helps low vision users as well as us like myself >> who are nearly compltely total. >> >> Chris. >> >> >> Do you use Twitter? If so, then, I'd love! for you to follow me. >> My twitter URL is: >> >> http://twitter.com/chris28210 >> - Original Message - >> From: Martin Pilkington >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 8:25 PM >> Subject: Understanding Blind User's Needs >> >> Hi All, >> >> Let me introduce myself. My name is Martin Pilkington and I'm a >> software developer on the Mac. I'm sta bility push and I'm trying >> to get many developers to join me. One of the key parts of this >> push is a pledge to make all my applications 100% accessible by the >> end of 2009. I've defined 100% accessible to mean 5 things: >> >> 1. The UI available to VoiceOver users should be as user friendly >> as the visual UI. >> 2. All UI elements should have titles and/or descriptions. >> 3. All custom controls should provide full keyboard access. >> 4. There should be a clear and logical order to navigating UI >> fields with the keyboard. >> 5. Every part of an application should be reachable without the >> mouse. >> >> Now I'm coming at this from the perspective of someone who hasn't >> got a disability, so I'm hoping everyone on this list could help >> me. Are there any other major points you would say an application >> needs to be 100% accessible to you? Are there any things you would >> like to find in an application as a user with a visual impairme e >> standard Mac accessibility tool? For example, an option to get a >> full text description of the current window and how to use it, at >> any point in the application >> >> Hopefully I can get a lot of other Mac developers to join me in my >> pledge, some others have already come on board with the idea. But >> getting the developers on board is just one piece of the puzzle. >> The most important piece is understanding exactly what your current >> problems and wishes are for accessibility in Mac apps so any >> feedback you can give me is greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks >> >> - >> Martin Pilkington >> Writer of Weird Symbols >> pi...@mcubedsw.com >> >> >> >> >> ace; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "> >> Michael Babcock >> GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web >> Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 4121 >> email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net >> administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net >> url: http://gwhosting.net > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegr
Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs
self voicing should never be needed and in all 3rd party cases I've seen it implemented for the mac os it is disasterous. you only need look at firevox to understand this. On Mar 8, 2009, at 8:41 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: very good points chris, i agree. Though the self voicing option isn't a 100% thing, in some apps it would truly be nice. mike On Mar 8, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Chris Gilland wrote: > I think it would be cool to use the default voice set via system > preferences and make it where the program can be self voiceing if > needed. Also provide an option to turn on, or off the self voicing > feature, this way if a user wants to use voice over, great, if not, > he or she still can do what needs to be done. Also, I would make > your labels for the U I, very discriptive but yet maybe slightly > shorter for the interface that is viewed via a braille display. > This way the point is made but only the absolutely necessary amount > of cells are used, this way providing more room for other things, > such as the value of the U I control. I may also advise you write > your programs in cocoe as I hear that language is very very voice > over friendly. Finally maybe provide an option for the program to > be able to enable magnification in the program for low vision > usersw. Also maybe provide an option to turn the programs st. > > This way it even helps low vision users as well as us like myself > who are nearly compltely total. > > Chris. > > > Do you use Twitter? If so, then, I'd love! for you to follow me. > My twitter URL is: > > http://twitter.com/chris28210 > - Original Message - > From: Martin Pilkington > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 8:25 PM > Subject: Understanding Blind User's Needs > > Hi All, > > Let me introduce myself. My name is Martin Pilkington and I'm a > software developer on the Mac. I'm sta bility push and I'm trying to > get many developers to join me. One of the key parts of this push is > a pledge to make all my applications 100% accessible by the end of > 2009. I've defined 100% accessible to mean 5 things: > > 1. The UI available to VoiceOver users should be as user friendly as > the visual UI. > 2. All UI elements should have titles and/or descriptions. > 3. All custom controls should provide full keyboard access. > 4. There should be a clear and logical order to navigating UI fields > with the keyboard. > 5. Every part of an application should be reachable without the mouse. > > Now I'm coming at this from the perspective of someone who hasn't > got a disability, so I'm hoping everyone on this list could help me. > Are there any other major points you would say an application needs > to be 100% accessible to you? Are there any things you would like to > find in an application as a user with a visual impairme e standard > Mac accessibility tool? For example, an option to get a full text > description of the current window and how to use it, at any point in > the application > > Hopefully I can get a lot of other Mac developers to join me in my > pledge, some others have already come on board with the idea. But > getting the developers on board is just one piece of the puzzle. The > most important piece is understanding exactly what your current > problems and wishes are for accessibility in Mac apps so any > feedback you can give me is greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > > - > Martin Pilkington > Writer of Weird Symbols > pi...@mcubedsw.com > > > > > ace; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "> > Michael Babcock > GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web > Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 4121 > email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net > administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net > url: http://gwhosting.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs
Martin, I'd be happy to test any vo compatible apps you develop or that you know of that are developped. this is 100 ercent accessibility. I don't know what software you write or have written but would encourage youto stick to apple accessibility apis and work with apple if something is missing. On Mar 8, 2009, at 8:25 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote: Hi All, Let me introduce myself. My name is Martin Pilkington and I'm a software developer on the Mac. I'm starting to do a big accessibility push and I'm trying to get many developers to join me. One of the key parts of this push is a pledge to make all my applications 100% accessible by the end of 2009. I've defined 100% accessible to mean 5 things: 1. The UI available to VoiceOver users should be as user friendly as the visual UI. 2. All UI elements should have titles and/or descriptions. 3. All custom controls should provide full keyboard access. 4. There should be a clear and logical order to navigating UI fields with the keyboard. 5. Every part of an application should be reachable without the mouse. Now I'm coming at this from the perspective of someone who hasn't got a disability, so I'm hoping everyone on this list could help me. Are there any other major points you would say an application needs to be 100% accessible to you? Are there any things you would like to find in an application as a user with a visual impairment that aren't part of the standard Mac accessibility tool? For example, an option to get a full text description of the current window and how to use it, at any point in the application Hopefully I can get a lot of other Mac developers to join me in my pledge, some others have already come on board with the idea. But getting the developers on board is just one piece of the puzzle. The most important piece is understanding exactly what your current problems and wishes are for accessibility in Mac apps so any feedback you can give me is greatly appreciated. Thanks - Martin Pilkington Writer of Weird Symbols pi...@mcubedsw.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
self voicing apps and voiceover:
Hi all, we've been discussing self voicing/voice over accessible apps in another thread but I thought this might be a more compatible subject line for that discussion. I wanted to mention an excellent package demonstrating what can be done on the mac os with regard to vo compatibility and self voicing lest I give the impression that I think all attempts to have failed. http://www.assistiveware.com has produced VisioVoice which is a screen aide for the mac bundled with the InfovoxIvox voices from Acapella group. VisioVoice can also be used with the mac os voices but when it was first developped, this was not possible. I do not work for the company, but am greatful to David and the team at Assistiveware for their efforts on behalf of visually impaired mac users. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
