Well, it seems to me that VoiceOver does a fine job. There is no need  
for each developer to rewrite a screen reader in to every application.  
Rather than make an application self-voicing, write hooks for  
voiceover, or use standard controls. I hate configuring each  
application's self-voicing preferences, relearning its voicing  
keystrokes, etc. It's nice in a game, it preserves the environment,  
but when I am trying to get something done, I want to use VO because I  
am famillier with it.
Just my thoughts, everyone is entitled to his own.
ps. I too like to see a "keyboard shortcuts" page in the help docs.
Jason
On Mar 8, 2009, at 6:46 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote:

> Hmm, I guess I'm just a little confused about what benefit this  
> would have over voice over. Voice over is on every mac so it's not  
> like you'd ever been in a situation where you don't have voice  
> access. Unless there's something I'm not understanding it seems like  
> it would be an awful lot of work to give you what voice over already  
> does.
>
> ---------------------------------
> Martin Pilkington
> Writer of Weird Symbols
> pi...@mcubedsw.com
>
>
> On 9 Mar 2009, at 1:26 am, Chris Gilland wrote:
>
>> By self voicing I mean, have it so that with voice over not running  
>> the program would still speak right out of the box.  In other  
>> words, give the user the option of using voice over, or! being able  
>> to rely on speech just within the program itself.  Kind a like what  
>> happens with the clock being self voicing upon the hr half hr or  
>> quarter, if you set that up in universal access.  Hince: you don't  
>> need vo running for that to work.
>>
>> Chris.
>
>
> >


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