Re: Internal server error 500 for bugs.debian.org pkgreport of apt-listchanges

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 8/14/21, Brian Thompson  wrote:
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> Hello everyone,
>
> I'm getting a 500 error when trying to access the apt-listchanges, apt,
> and apt-listdifferences pkgreports on bugs.debian.org. It looks like
> there is a problem with all of the pkgreports.
>
> Here is one of the URLs:
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?repeatmerged=yes&src=apt
>
> Was there some maintenance that I am unaware of?

Would Developers *very recently* flipping the release switch for
buster/bullseye/bookworm affect that?

https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2021/08/msg1.html

Maybe the site wide adjustment hasn't caught up yet or something?

Or not... :)

Cindy :)
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Re: Internal server error 500 for bugs.debian.org pkgreport of apt-listchanges

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 8/14/21, Cindy Sue Causey  wrote:
> On 8/14/21, Brian Thompson  wrote:
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>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I'm getting a 500 error when trying to access the apt-listchanges, apt,
>> and apt-listdifferences pkgreports on bugs.debian.org. It looks like
>> there is a problem with all of the pkgreports.
>>
>> Here is one of the URLs:
>> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?repeatmerged=yes&src=apt
>>
>> Was there some maintenance that I am unaware of?
>
> Would Developers *very recently* flipping the release switch for
> buster/bullseye/bookworm affect that?
>
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2021/08/msg1.html
>
> Maybe the site wide adjustment hasn't caught up yet or something?


Mappings would be the password I was looking for a few minutes ago:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2021/08/msg2.html

In full, Jonathan says, "Debian 11, codename bullseye, was release on
14th August 2021 and synced to mirrors around 21:05 UTC. You should
expect the mappings for stable and
oldstable to update on your local mirrors very shortly."

Cindy :)
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Re: PSA: 'apt-get update' new-Debian-release error fix

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 8/14/21, The Wanderer  wrote:
> On 2021-08-14 at 19:06, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 06:26:07PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
>>
>>> I had enough trouble with this at the last Debian release,
>>
>> ... but not this time, right?
>
> Yes, this time; in fact...
>
>>> For anyone who uses 'apt-get update' - and, I suspect, any other tool
>>> than 'apt' itself - to update the list of available packages from the
>>> new release, you're at least moderately likely to see the update attempt
>>> fail with error messages like the following:
>>>
>>> > E: Repository 'http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable InRelease'
>>> > changed its 'Codename' value from 'buster' to 'bullseye'
>>
>> You copied this from the NewInBuster wiki most likely.
>
> ...nope, I copied it from a terminal on my computer, where it had just
> been output on my initial 'apt-get update' attempt.
>
>> That's where I put it, when I ran into this issue two years ago, and
>> documented it there.  It's even the same mirror that I use (which is
>> no longer the default, hence it standing out).
>>
>> The issue did not happen this time around.  Instead of getting an
>> "E:" line (error), you only get a bunch of N: (warning) lines.
>>
>> You're trying to solve a problem that doesn't actually exist any
>> more.
>
> I would love for that to have been the case, but my experience does not
> reflect it being so.
>
> Maybe somehow I'm running an older apt-get version than what has the
> fix(es)? But as far as I know that's shipped in the 'apt' package, and I
> have that at version 2.2.4, which is what's currently in both stable and
> testing (unsurprising given that they should currently be nearly
> identical).


Stuff's not totally caught up or something. I've encountered the
following a couple of times. The latest was while playing along with a
recent Debian-User Docker thread:

https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=docker

That packages page says buster is stable and bullseye is still
testing. That's possibly (likely?) not the only place still showing
similar, too.

Yesterday I debootstrap'ed in anticipation of new and not so stable.
Only a couple font packages failed as no longer available, and the
rest were already hoarded locally here. My previous experience had
been that a LOT of packages are not available because Developers
haven't brought them up to speed. Examples there would be something
like GIMP and Inkscape.

This morning there were a lot of upgrades and incidental deletions
that were more as expected. Things are slowly rolling along and
catching up to speed, I guess. :)

OR not..

Cindy :)
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Re: Aw, snap!

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 8/5/21, Ottavio Caruso  wrote:
> On 05/08/2021 09:23, Ottavio Caruso wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm running Debian Buster and I have the latest Chromium from Debian and
>> google-chrome-stable from the Google repos and I've been having this
>> problem for the last two days. Basically I get the dreaded "Aw snap" at
>> every single page.
>>
>> I deleted all profiles, started with a blank one, no extensions, both
>> browsers still crash at every occurrence. It happens mostly on Google
>> services (Gmail, google search) but also on any page containing media,
>> that is, 99.9% of the web.
>>
>> I haven't changed any settings lately, so I wonder what it could be. Is
>> it just me?
>
>
> I forgot to add that I also did a "apt-get purge" and reinstall of both
> browsers.


Hi, I'm just thinking out loud here. Can you try running it from a
terminal to see if it spews out any warning or error messages? Maybe
it will show that some kind of additional library file is missing...
or something...

Maybe check to make sure that it has permission to access the
Internet, too. Some of these browsers have that feature where you can
toggle it, tell it to only work offline via a setting in the
Preferences menu.

Lastly, I just tried to reinstall Chromium to give it a quick run
myself. It balked until I manually take that extra step to tell it to
yes, install, despite this notable outstanding bug:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=990079

So I tried "apt-cache policy chromium". That says my (allegedly) now
Debian bookworm will only upgrade to "90.0.4430.212-1". Meanwhile,
that #990079 bug is saying upgrade to "91.0.4472.114" for important
security related reasons. I checked via a Debian site-wide package
search and by manually poking into experimental, and "90.0.4430.212-1"
is approximate the latest release I'm finding there.

The failure you're describing sounds like something that might be
caught up in security issues.. meaning it sounds like it's possibly
about [scripts] or suchly. If you're a diehard Chromium fan, it sounds
like its Developers are strongly recommending stepping outside a
classic upgrade path to pull from a repository that's outside your
normal route.

That's occasionally one of those "executive decisions" we Users end up
making depending on our individual needs. The wicd-curses package that
is how I access the Internet is from experimental and has been 100%
reliable for a year or more. Thank you, Developers!

Cindy :)
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Re: how would you do this?

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 8/18/21, songbird  wrote:
>   let's suppose you have a directory where there are
> various scripts, libraries, programs, data, etc.
>
>   you want to know exactly which other scripts, libraries,
> etc. use them and to log each caller to know the name so
> it can be tracked down (location would be nice too, but
> that could be found later if needed).
>
>   i don't need to keep the information in a database as
> just having the log file will be enough.
>
>   how would you do this?
>
>   this isn't a homework assignment i'm just curious how
> easy or hard this would be to accomplish.


I don't have an answer. I just wanted to say I wasn't thinking of
school work as I read this. I was thinking more like... paranoia, lol!

Not in a "bad" way but in a system protecting way. With everything
that's going on about hacking and cracking, knowing what's calling
what sounds like a nice, SANITY enabling idea. Bonus points if it can
be taught to throw out alerts about any unusual calls once a
longstanding "normal" pattern is discerned.

Cindy :)
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Re: Can't switch back to gnome on xorg

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 8/25/21, Hansoo Chang  wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
> I am using Debian Buster with gnome on wayland.
>
> Recently, I tried to switch back to gnome on xorg at the start-up login
> screen choosing the 'gnome on xorg'.
>
> However, I am immediately turned back to the original login screen.
>
> I searched the web, but could not find a solution.
>
> I will appreciate it if somebody would help me on this matter.


Hi, Hansoo... Up top here before the rest of the email as I first
wrote it: The next time it happens, can you try doing something like
CTRL+ALT+F3 (or F4 or) then try logging in there to see if you receive
any error messages that might help. That's where I received one part
of the information that helped me eventually fix the loop I kept
hitting a while back. Your loop is slightly different sounding so that
might not provide any information.

Something that might help is to know how your /home directory is set
up. Is it on the same partition as everything else, e.g. /etc, /lib,
and /var. Or is it on a different partition, for example, and then you
mount it all together during each boot?

If it is on a different partition, is there anything in your /home
partition BEFORE you mount things? I know to ask this because that's
where my problem MIGHT be coming from sometimes. You might need to hit
CTRL+H to see what's there.

Ok, now the rest of the email as I first wrote it before thinking the
above, too...

Unfortunately, I probably don't have an answer, but I'm writing anyway
to say that you're not alone, and it's apparently not just GNOME.
Apparently MATE's doing possibly the same thing to some extent
somehow:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-accessibility/2021/08/msg00099.html

That's the start of one thread about it. Without re-reading that
thread, I was trying to remember what I said then it came to me. This
is reminding me of how I've multiple times locked myself out of my
system in a similar loop that ultimately involves ~/.Xauthority.

By experimenting, the fix I tripped over was to move the old
.Xauthority out of the way by renaming it then let my system create a
new one when I try to log in again. That might not work here, but
maybe you could rule it out as a causative in *your* case.

For me, .Xauthority just seems to become corrupted when I'm
debootstrap'ing a new installation while reusing my old /home
directory. Maybe I mixed them together or something, and they clash.
That could be a point where corruption would occur even though it's
ultimately only about three files that aren't even .Xauthority:
.bash_logout, .bashrc, and .profile as found under /etc/skel that's
used for creating new Users...

As a very last thought, what might corrupt things in my case is that
maybe I log in to my new installation without first mounting my many
years old /home directories. That would create a brand new .Xauthority
file.. and then when I do mount the very old /home directory, that
ALSO contains an old, longstanding .Xauthority file.

Maybe that's where *my* issue comes from along the way and that causes
the exact same loop that you all are now describing for GNOME and
MATE. Mine's on XFCE4, by the way, but I believe the culprit is me,
not the desktop environment. :)

One last, last thought is that's unusual to now see two people with
this. It reminds me of when Debian's code starting tightening up a few
years back. Maybe there were some loose strings involving logins, and
now that's been fixed such that Debian's not as tolerant about
clashes. That would be a good thing because it would be about the
safety of our systems overall. :)

Cindy :)
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Re: colors messed up after X screen lock (buster with xfce)

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 8/26/21, Roland Winkler  wrote:
> I am running debian 10 (buster with xfce).  Graphics works fine
> initially.  Yet after an X screen lock, all colors are messed up.
> The same hardware was previoulsy running fine when I was xubuntu 16.04.
> What can be causing this?  Thanks!


Hi! I don't have an answer as to what's causing it. I just wanted to
chime in that I think I've probably experienced what you're
describing. In fact, I did about 2 days ago again, and it's on XFCE4
here, too.

This has been for both Buster and Bookworm now. It happens when I
first open the Einstein "card" game.

The initial screen will fritz then the entire system stays that way if
I can find the exit button to escape out of Einstein. It's a hard job
trying to hunt and poke for the right buttons to attempt a safe,
normal reboot that doesn't harm data any more than necessary. The
colors will settle down after a reboot, but the ordeal will repeat
itself if I forget and try to play (the very addictive) Einstein
again.

The only fix I've been able to find is to reinstall my Debian. All I
can figure is that something's not set up right. To date, my brain
hasn't functioned fast enough to think to check the logs at the moment
this glitch occurs. Those logs are still around, but, again, the
brain's not up to the challenge. Too much distraction..

For me, this glitch doesn't happen again on a "properly" installed new
setup. I can't remember for the Bullseye occurrences, but the Bookworm
was surely a malformed install. I badly flubbed my initial rsync
backup copy of a new debootstrap, and it just escalated from there
when I tried to use that same backup copy as the starter kit for a
second partition. The only reason I know the backup copy was flubbed
is because of that really nasty looking visual glitch. :)

Cindy :)
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Re: Why ``color_prompt`` is only set for ``xterm``? (colored prompt examples)

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 9/5/21, Intense Red  wrote:
>> In /root/.bashrc I use this to give a red prompt including host and
>> full path followed by a new line.
>
>I take this idea a bit further, setting a longer prompt and setting
> workstation hosts for specific colors for user logins, and then doing a red
>
> prompt for servers.
>
>Part of my ~/.bashrc:
>
> # Set the hostname to a specific color
> HostName=`hostname -s`
> if [ $HostName = "capncrunch" ]; then
>HostColor="\[\033[1;36m\]" # Bright Cyan
>
< lots of snip for brevity >
>
> # Then we need to export them so the shell picks things up.
> export PS1 LS_COLORS
>
>That's worth playing with to change some of the default settings if one
> wants to play with the colors of a terminal (I use KDE's "konsole" rather
> than
> xterm, but it's the same idea.


That's cool. I did play with it last night as my normal user. I'm
going to leave it for now as a reminder to personalize it more. I've
seen very similar in some operating system somewhere but never stopped
to pursue how it was accomplished. Maybe it was even for a different
terminal (emulator) from Debian's repositories.

Its first tweak needs to address that it renders the tab "Title" as
"Untitled window". I've tried a few times over the years to alter that
via "Edit > Preferences > General (tab)" in xfce4-terminal, but it
never stuck. It would always reverse back each time a terminal window
was fully closed. I could see putting something under (dot)bashrc
along with this other as being more geeky fun.

PS I just plugged it in under root after going back above and reading
from the original snippets. I'm really liking that blinking reminder
as to where one is. That might be just what I've always wanted to
cognitively distinguish between chroot and root terminal tabs. That's
been a worry quite often over time. Thank you!

Cindy :)
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Re: Why ``color_prompt`` is only set for ``xterm``? (colored prompt examples)

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 9/5/21, Greg Wooledge  wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 05, 2021 at 12:28:37AM -0500, Intense Red wrote:
>> > In /root/.bashrc I use this to give a red prompt including host and
>> > full path followed by a new line.
>>
>>I take this idea a bit further, setting a longer prompt and setting
>> workstation hosts for specific colors for user logins, and then doing a
>> red
>> prompt for servers.
>>
>>Part of my ~/.bashrc:
>>
>> # Set the hostname to a specific color
>> HostName=`hostname -s`
>> if [ $HostName = "capncrunch" ]; then
>>HostColor="\[\033[1;36m\]" # Bright Cyan
>>  elif [ $HostName = "piglet" ]; then
>>HostColor="\[\033[1;35m\]" # Bright Purple
>>  elif [ $HostName = "wiseguy" ]; then
>
> Not a big fan of case statements?
>
> HostName=${HOSTNAME%%.*}
> case $HostName in
>   capncrunch) HostColor="\[\033[1;36m\]";; # Bright Cyan
>   piglet) HostColor="\[\033[1;35m\]";; # Bright Purple
>   ...
> esac
>
> Also, for the record, your quotes are in the wrong place in your [
> commands.  You need quotes around "$HostName" to avoid globbing and
> word splitting.  You don't need quotes around simple strings like
> capncrunch and piglet, unless one of them contains whitespace or
> punctuation that's significant to the shell.
>
> The missing quotes around "$HostName" have never mattered because so
> far all of your hostnames have been safe.  Maybe that's even a
> guarantee -- I'm not sure what characters are actually allowed in a
> Linux hostname.  But quoting correctly still a good habit to get into.


Thank you for the tweak, Greg. That's a biggie because along the way,
we've seen how things change and fail for that very reason. One of my
partitions' terminal root now calls itself by a package name. NO CLUE
how it happened because I wasn't root while the associated package was
being extracted. Confirming placement of quotation marks, if used,
would be one checkpoint for a massive fail like that.

There's also that thing about how terminals will interpret the
different types of quotes (dumb/typewriter/ASCII versus
typographic/curly/smart) very literally. I experienced THAT fail
firsthand and now try to remember to plug anything I copy into a plain
text editor before then recopying over to a terminal.

Am wondering if, am more like hoping that this quotation marks part of
it would have stood out when I research how to further customize my
own setup. This will be a priceless personalization if I can
eventually coerce it to say "(debootstrap) chroot" in place of some of
the characters there. Shh, don't tell me how. Lead a fish to water,
yada-yada. :)

Cindy :)
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Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

Re: APT testing and unstabe Firefox: can't find newest version from unstable

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 9/5/21, Andrew M.A. Cater  wrote:
>
> This is the problem with web browsers getting bigger, more complex
> dependencies, more infrastructure complexities - and it has always
> been so. Web browsers are also the go-to applications for stress
> testing any machine once again.


You nailed that! Mine keeps bogging down with 8GB ram and 2.7GHz dual
core. It's running with a smaller Firefox session's worth of tabs than
what ran for hours on 2GB ram and 1.66GHz dual core. I swear it feels
like their browsers are trained to sniff around to see what power
we've got then adjust their usage of our resources accordingly.

As an afterthought, maybe it's the websites themselves doing the
sniffing for available resources, too. Might not be like that, but
it's how it feels based on how I can't seem to get ahead of that game
here. I'm just so over it with respect to having to log out then log
back in to clear out the cobwebs when it starts grinding to a halt.

As a secondary afterthought turned heads up: In cleaning out my setup
regularly, I one day noticed a BUNCH of cookies at the top of the last
time used list when they should not have been. The relevance to
browser resource usage is that I hadn't been on the affected websites'
tabs in months.

A lot of cookies are respectfully sitting silent and unused, but there
are a few that are not. That's going to take an escalating toll on
available computer resources, too. One obvious quick fix would be to
manually block those cookies if they're not important and as they
become apparent.

Oh, and don't get me started griping about those websites that plant
70, 80, 100+ cookies per single or maybe two or three page turns on
their sites. I've seen that happen in the past while deleting a site's
entire cookie lineup because their site's not working properly.

Cindy :)
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Re: buggy N-M (was: Debian 11: Unable to detect wireless interface on an old laptop) computer

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 9/28/21, to...@tuxteam.de  wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 09:00:47AM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 09:41:22AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>> > On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 04:47:07PM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
>> >
>> > [...]
>> >
>> > > And N-M is not "buggy". [...]
>> >
>> > Uh-huh.
>>
>> What a great argument!
>
> I don't care very much about N-M. It's not the kind of software I
> enjoy. Too complex for my taste. De gustibus...


I started to chime in last night, but my brain took a vacation. Maybe
the "complex" was what happened to me, too.

Last night I was only going to say "nm" didn't used to (and may still
not) play nice with similar packages installed on the same machine. It
was an either/or situation. I took the "or" with wicd then wicd-curses
and have never looked back. That's with hardwires, though. I haven't
had an excuse to spend time duking it out with attaching wireless.

What fried my brain last night was on trying to remember if nm had
been too "complicated" and thus not user-friendly for *me*. I still
see other people rave about it. That's cool. At the end of the day, it
means our brains function (comprehend) differently, but we all seem to
be arriving at the same place: Connected to whatever it is we need to
use. That's where the beauty of Debian offering CHOICE comes into
play.

Cindy :)
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Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

Re: About User and password on Debian 10

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 9/30/21, ghe2001  wrote:
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Thursday, September 30, 2021 10:30 AM,  wrote:
>
>> I have installed Debian 10 (XFCE) on an old computer and now after a year
>> of use although I put right user and password it reappear the window that
>> asks user and password. I entered as root and it goes on with a desktop
>> where I can work. There, on Terminal, I tried to change password of user
>> passwd "user" (my name), but it doesn't accept other passwords. Only the
>> old password! Then I reboot and again it asks user and password without
>> letting me enter in the "user" desktop. Where can I look to solve this
>> problem? Thanks to all
>
> Try (as root, at CLI) "passwd "


If you still can't sign in after trying that suggestion, maybe it's
about a kernel mishap? In that case *for me*, "update-initramfs -u"
usually fixes it IF that also automatically updates a user's boot
manager at the same time.

If it doesn't automatically update the boot manager, that manager
needs run by hand. It occurs to me that just updating the boot manager
alone might fix certain login lock out errors, but I like updating the
initrd.img just because I happen to be in that mindset.

update-initramfs automatically triggers LILO to run for me. For other
Users, that could/might trigger GRUB and friends to also update.

I've been locked out like this before. It happens when I accidentally
copy over a partition's vmlinuz and initrd.img files into a wrong
directory in my LILO hierarchy. Oops!

Cindy :)
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Re: USB memory stick quality [was: "Proper" filesystem for Debian installed on a flash drive]

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 10/1/21, to...@tuxteam.de  wrote:
>
> I take two lessons out of it:
>
> (1) quality of those things scatters widely. Do take Marco's
> advise seriously and have always a Plan B. In my case, it's
> Just A Backup (TM), so I make it so my main disk doesnt
> fail until I find a replacement stick ;-@

Left that in because it has applied to all the hardware I've ever
bought. Ages ago, I mused on here that every critical hardware aspect
of computing needs *at least one* backup sitting in a drawer nearby.
At the time, it was probably about something like those ethernet to
USB adapters. It might have been about external dialup modems, too.

> (2) I have the hunch that the name on the shell bears little
> relation to the guts inside. The latter are whatever the vendor
> putting its name on the outside can scavenge cheaply off the
> market at some point in time. So trading brand names might
> be possibly misleading ;-)

Am only typing because I just experienced this with keyboards. Six or
eight keyboards were stuffed under my nose in a vendor's email last
night. All looked exactly the same, just had different seller logos on
a nameplate sitting right above the arrow keys.

Last night the prices were within a couple dollars of each other (plus
the same outrageous shipping). In the past, the prices have sometimes
been $20 apart for what is obviously the exact same item. :)

Cindy :)
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Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

Re: What do we have that will save a manpage as we see it on-screen

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 10/1/21, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> Greetings all;
>
> With the man markup subtracted, so what we save is exactly what we see.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett.


Hi, Gene. I'm not sure if I'm understanding correctly, but.. I do this
(am using the LILO package as an example):

man lilo > manLILO

I just tested it to make sure first. Mine here looks exactly like the
terminal version when that manLILO file is viewed in Mousepad (XFE4's
text editor). That still prints all the useful "SEE ALSO", last date
edited, and e.g. "LILO(8) leads that appear at the bottom, too.

Others here sometimes do something a little fancier than only that ">"
(greater than sign), but I can't remember what it is nor if it applies
to something as straight forward as this one.

Cindy :)
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Re: You have been removed from the list (repeatedly)

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 10/5/21, Greg Wooledge  wrote:
> In the last 24 hours, I've been dropped from this list at least 3 times.
> I am able to re-subscribe, but it's a real pain in the ass.
>
> It seems to happen after I post a message to the list while subscribed.
> In each case, I receive a message like the one I've quoted below.
>
> Is this happening to anyone else?  Is there anything I can do to stop it,
> other than simply re-subscribing every time I post?
>
> What is this "vps268904.ovh.net", why is it sending messages with the
> subject "**stop**", why do no such messages appear in the web archive
> of debian-user, and why are these messages causing me to become
> unsubscribed?


Apparently OVH is possibly some kind of cloud thing.. and/or also a
web domain registrar kind of deal.. or not. I took a quick peek at my
insanely massive inbox. Found maybe 20 references.

Seven references were sent by me to "s/pam" at UCE dot gov.. back in
2012. Ouch. OVH dot net appeared to be the "real" sender, the conduit,
while something "dot fr" was also listed as the sender in the random
email I viewed.

A more recent email is "OVH dot it" this past March, 2021. The message
is Italian, as confirmed by Google's translator. The email is advising
that the recipient needs to immediately renew their expired website
services.


> My best guess is that someone is spamming debian-user, the messages are
> being sent to everyone, my local MTA's spam filters are blocking them,
> and the mailing list is getting mad at me for blocking the spam that it's
> sending to me.  This might not be the case, but it would explain why the
> messages aren't showing up in the web archive (they're removed because
> they're spam).
>
> On Tue, Oct 05, 2021 at 08:28:57PM +,
> debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org wrote:
>> Your mail address g...@wooledge.org has been removed
>> from the debian-user@lists.debian.org mailinglist.
>> It generated an excessive amount of bounced mails.
>>
>> Before sending in a subscription request to
>> debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org again, please ensure that
>> this problem has been resolved.   When in doubt, ask your system
>> administrator or send mail to "postmaster".
>>
>> The last one of those bounced mails has been quoted below:
>> >From postmas...@vps268904.ovh.net  Tue Oct  5 20:28:57 2021
>> >Return-Path: 
>> >X-Original-To: lists-debian-u...@bendel.debian.org
>> >Delivered-To: lists-debian-u...@bendel.debian.org
>> >Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
>> >by bendel.debian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A34E220455
>> >for ; Tue,  5 Oct 2021 20:28:57


Interesting because the newer hinky looking email I'm looking at was
sent from a gmx.de email address and was sent directly to online at
bendel dot debian dot org as the public, immediately visible
recipient.

Found one last reference which was a thread about Debian sponsors
and/or service providers where OVH appeared to be given a positive
thumbs up due to their support, by the way.


< snipped for brevity >

>> >: Re: network problem
>> >On Tue, Oct 05, 2021 at 10:00:45PM +0200, Pierre Frenkiel wrote:
>> >> hi,
>> >> I have the following problem on my laptop.
>> >> my /etc
>> >Please stop the message. we have already unsubscribed our email address.

Did you write the "Please stop" part? It appears to be attributing the
"we have already unsubscribed" to you, Greg, which is certainly not
what you're trying to do. :)

Cindy :)
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Re: Ot: 6 or 7 nights to download a CD (was: Re: RJ-11 phone line)

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 10/8/21, rhkra...@gmail.com  wrote:
> On Thursday, October 07, 2021 07:43:02 AM Dan Ritter wrote:
>> Note that a minimal Debian install is around 500 MB, which would
>> take around 24 hours of a perfect 56K modem connection.
>
> I can remember when I got a fast modem (I forget if it was 28 or 33 kbps)
> and
> felt it was now reasonable to download an entire CD, doing it in 6 or 7
> nights
> (stopping it every morning to use the Internet for other stuff, restarting
> it
> every night.)
>
> (Wait, hopefully, that wasn't me that did that, maybe it was my grandfather


You were lucky to be able to continue on. Those were the days when
that wasn't an almost demanded prerequisite as part of a download
manager, e.g. wget's "-c / --continue" flag. Connections were so
flaky, so unstable that even a 3 or 4 megabyte sized file was an all
day event.

The last year that I was on dialup, the local provider suddenly sped
up to maybe taking an hour to download those same 3 or 4 megabyte
files. As it turned out, I was about the only person left using their
dialup server. It was faster because there was no competing web
traffic from other ISP customers.

There was one download manager that sold itself because it focused on
being able to continue on without having to restart the download.
Whatever that one in-browser manager was, that was my HERO for a
number of years... until I discovered wget. Once in a while there will
be a "gatekeeper" (cookie reliant) instance where wget also doesn't
work still and though.

The World needs to obsolete anything that's slower than the cheap
service I'm using right now (whatever it is). Speedier Internet
connections are a LIFE-altering necessity in the Age of Technology.
Beyond that, COVID-19 has turned quality of at-home Internet service
into a checkpoint regarding one's employability.

Cindy :)
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Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

Re: How i can resolve the problem of packages?

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 10/10/21, Dan Ritter  wrote:
> William Torrez Corea wrote:
>> I try execute the followings tasks but i get the same error:
>>
>> ldconfig: Can't create temporary cache file /etc/ld.so.cache~: Read-only
>> > file system
>
>
>
> Your root file system is read-only. This indicates a major
> problem during boot.
>
> You'll need to fix this first. Look at logs.


I saw that but wanted to see someone respond first. I've experienced
read-only with hardware failures, too. The affected partition will
become dismounted by itself then will be read-only if it remounts at
all.

Faulty USB hubs are the primary cause in my instances.That would
involve having to spend money to fix. It's why I didn't want to type
about this first. :)

Cindy :)
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Re: Re: LUKS encryption help

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 10/11/21, detr...@tuta.io  wrote:
> Hello friends, I'm sending this last email to inform you that I have given
> up on trying to recover the contents of my external hard drive and that I
> formatted it.
> Thank you to every single one of you who spared their time to try and help
> me.
> On one last note, I should I drag attention to what seemed to be a bug on
> the boot screen that asked for my LUKS password: It considered backspaces as
> a normal character. I type my password and it shows an asterisk on the
> screen for every character I type - instead of deleting the asterisk, the
> backspace key created one more asterisk each time I pressed it.


DISCLAIMER: Mine doesn't display the asterisks, but maybe this is
still somehow what's occurring that causes that asterisks to appear
where they aren't expected.

This sounds like a twist on something that's aggravating for me on the
"console" reached via e.g. "CTRL+F3". It happens with my user name
when I'm typing too fast ahead of the speed of my brain.

Mine occurs with a fairly basic debootstrapped XFCE4's "console". I'll
type in my username then hit TAB the way I normally do via the initial
GUI login screen. For those console logon instances, I should be
hitting ENTER immediately after the username. If I backspace to
eliminate the TAB's blank space addition to my username instead of
attempting CTRL+C to start over, the logon attempt fails.

All I can figure is that it's treating both the TAB and backspace
keyboard actions as necessary keystroke parts of the logon name. Since
they're not, that's apparently why it fails. If that is by intentional
design, repeated personal experience has been that... it works!

Something similar also occurs for the password. I can backspace all I
want in a GUI xfce4-terminal window, and it works fine after the
proper password is eventually entered (e.g. for gaining root
privileges). On that CTRL+F3 console, it appears to treat each
corrective backspace action as a deliberate, additional keystroke part
of the password instead of as a user correcting a typing error.

It occurred to me to try the same thing to run "apt-get update" while
over there in the CTRL+F3 console. The password works fine no matter
how many TAB and backspace entries a user makes after one successfully
logs in to get to that point of access.

Oh, goodness, I hope that came out at least halfway understandable, grin.

Cindy :)
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Re: general broad question for help in setting up linux server and suggestions

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 10/15/21, Christian Britz  wrote:
>
> Semih Ozlem wrote:
>> How much does it cost to run a server full time, is it cheaper to run
>> one yourself or to rent one online? Do you have an estimate? or range?
>> (cost could be electricity and internet connection used?)
>>
>
> Assuming that you want to use your private Internet connection at the
> beginning and you have a flatrate, there will be only the electricity
> causing extra costs.
> Keep in mind that your local Internet provider will probably not assign
> you a fixed IP adress, so you will probably need to use some sort of
> DynDNS service (should be cheap).
> When your project becomes more professional, I would recommend switching
> to a hosted solution.


Which reminds that you have to make sure that hosting a personal
server doesn't violate terms of service from one's ISP (Internet
service provider). It depends on the type of connection, that kind of
thing. It would byte to have to go scrambling for a new way to
continue an existing setup with established traffic if one is suddenly
shut down for unknowingly violating those terms.

Just thinking out loud.. and my apologies in advance if that subject
was already mentioned. :)

Cindy :)
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Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

Re: Error installing texlive-base

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 10/15/21, Andrei POPESCU  wrote:
> On Jo, 14 oct 21, 13:19:09, Victor Hugo Muñoz wrote:
>>
>> Yes, I know the risks :-) My office computer is in stable for that
>> reason. This is my home computer. Anyway,
>> I'm extremely conservative with upgrades, and do not upgrade if I
>> think I'm going to break something important, This may
>> be the first major issue I've had for years in this particular machine.
>
> Postponing upgrades (of some packages) for a while (days or weeks, at
> most) is indeed a necessity from time to time in unstable.
>
> However, at some point you do have to deal with it somehow[1] and let
> the system reach current unstable, otherwise you'll encounter a
> situation that is not supported at all (like managing packages from
> current unstable with a 'dpkg' from pre-stable).
>
> [1] this may involve removing a specific package that is causing the log
> jam.


I used to postpone because I didn't understand how the system works.
My count at one time was over 1,000 packages on hold.

What it seems to be most often is that there will be a package version
number change. That logjam.. very often is that a User's choice of
e.g. apt, apt-get, or aptitude needs to bring a brand new package
onboard. Occasionally, it's even about bringing on more new packages
beyond that version change. It's all about progress and package
feature changes.

My a-sumption about it is that they're graciously allowing Users the
opportunity to consciously approve a new package coming into one's
system. That new package addition even more frequently then requires
one to manually delete the prior version of the newly added package.

What I experienced and FREAKED OUT about (here on Debian-User) a
couple years back was that a massive stable package deletion can occur
if one suddenly decides to simultaneously upgrade ALL of those 1,000+
packages one might have postponed. If you nibble at it instead, that
massive deletion usually does not occur. In fact, that logjam starts
opening up and throwing packages into a normal upgrade priority after
just the right postponed package is upgraded by adding in its newest
dependency.

Something like that... there.

N.B. Linux-image on hold is a slightly different beast. Part of that
is that its upgrade can render some systems unbootable until things
are manually updated within one's CHOICE of boot managers. For
example, I use LILO and have a separate directory that I maintain to
help it function. I have to manipulate the latest vmlinuz and
initrd.img files within that dedicated folder then everything
continues to boot successfully after that. Thank you, Developers!

Cindy :)
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Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
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Re: how to avoid the terminal overlap

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 10/27/21, lina  wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I think Tim got my point correct. I have corrected the issue by following
> the advice I googled:
> *1 Answer*
>
>1. Right click on the taskbar, select Panel -> Panel Preferences.
>2. Select the Items tab , select Window Buttons in the list, click the
>Edit button on the right side.
>3. Change Window grouping to Never.
>
> Thanks again with best regards, lina


Thank you for coming back to say it worked. I saw this thread
yesterday and thought I understood you wanted to change same thing I
did. I found those same instructions but missed that "minor detail"
about clicking on "Window Buttons". Just tried it again, and mine's
now fixed, too.

Feels like old times on this desktop.. Very happy! I don't know why
it's easier for my brain to pick what it needs from that mess of
buttons strewn across the top, but it is (much easier). The "never
group" option has the added bonus of being a constant nag that browser
windows need archived and closed, permanently if not sooner. :)

Cindy :)
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* runs with birdseed *

Re: which package is good for making poster

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 11/2/21, David  wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Nov 2021 at 20:46, lina  wrote:
>
>> I have to prepare a poster,
>>
>> I wonder which package is good for this work,
>> I can print it out in several papers and attach them together later.
>
> Hi, I would use 'inkscape'. It is very capable for vector graphics.
> Sadly it does not support automatic slicing of a large image
> into multiple small images, but that can be achieved manually
> with a small effort as shown here:
>   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC-i9qxDGfo


Inkscape appears to be pretty powerful when one knows how to use it.
It's always added to my setups even though I barely touch it. Just
waiting for time to follow a good how-to step by step.

I just tried an "apt-cache search poster" query. Received "poster" and
"shanty" back. Mentioning in case someone knows of them or can help
test drive them for informational purposes. They appear to be command
line tools, and both have manpages for flags and such.

Cindy :)
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Re: what is the best package to design the layout of the house

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 11/3/21, deloptes  wrote:
> Reco wrote:
>
>> I don't know about garden design, but I used sweethome3d for an
>> apartment design back in the day.
>>
>> Written in Java, but works reasonably fast.
>
> I can second Sweethome3D for interior. It helped us save a lot of time
> planing furniture layout


I played with it for a few minutes after it came up on the list. At
the risk of it being a turnoff description, I'd almost call it cute.

If I'd had a screencaster of some kind running the other day, I would
have been able to create a moving GIF out of it, a moving van type
truck driving past three people. That was unexpected, was tripped
over, and was more than I've seen other packages do. :)

Now that I think a second on it, I wonder if you couldn't get a
bouncing basketball out of it or something. You need to have the
knowledge of how to clip portions of videos to create a GIF, but that
just takes a few seconds to learn.

The animation effect occurred while I was moving items around in the
graph block. They became "animated" in the preview block just below
that on the right side. Pretty trick.. cool.. neato-keano.

Cindy :)
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* runs with birdseed *

Re: what is flooding /var/tmp?

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 11/24/21, sp...@caiway.net  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> My /var/tmp directory gets flooded by big files named:
>
> sort01ei1t
> sort01Eq7u
> sort01sLAs
> ...
> sortzZZtvv
>
>
> the files are approx. 13 Gb each.
> In 24 hours > 6000 are written.
>
> My big partition is filled by it until the system freezes.
>
> The files are plain text files, containing sshfs paths:
>
> /mnt/nas/sshfs/proc/self/task/413551/root/proc/self/task/413551/root/proc/self/task/413551/root/proc/self/task/413551/root/proc/
> .
>
> nas and desktop are running debian 11 daily updated.
>
> How can I find out which program is writing these files?


Hi, and WOW. While you're waiting for others to chime in, I found the
following that references basically what you're saying AND
specifically about Debian:

https://serverfault.com/questions/281374/what-is-creating-var-tmp-sort-files/281380

Because I'm not versed in this, I'm not going to try to bring it over
here. I don't want to mess it up. That took at least six or eight
different ways of asking the same question before that potential
answer FINALLY popped up at the top of the search.

IMPORTANT: They mention that one might need to run that "lsof" on the
directory/files a few times if necessary before you finally receive
usable information. It apparently needs to catch the culprit in the
active act of doing whatever is going on.

Best wishes...

Cindy :)
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Re: Pulseaudio regularly crashing; how to evaluate?

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 12/8/21, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum  wrote:
>  I wonder if there might be any other thoughts on this (aside from that of
> replacing Pulseaudio with its successor, which I'm not comfortable with)?
>
> The flakiness is particularly worrying--that only certain applications will
> crash with it.


Hi, Jennifer, I just went through a weird crash myself a few days ago.
I didn't do a good job of documenting, either. As fast as I'd click an
icon to open xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin for volume control, the GUI
window would snap back closed.

As best as I can tell, mine began IMMEDIATELY after optional package,
alsamixergui, was upgraded. I deleted that package and haven't had
another instance since.

Prior to deleting alsamixergui, I also tried purging ANYTHING related
to pulseaudio (and eventually anything "pavu") then reinstalling. That
still failed every time.

Sorry I don't have more other than to say maybe figure out the package
name involved in your instance and try opening it in a terminal. Mine
did spew out a few things while it was also snapping back shut going
that route, too.

Afterthought: Just remembered to check my websurfing history. This was
one error message I was receiving:

Failed to load module "module-native-protocol-unix" (argument: ""):
initialization failed. E: [pulseaudio] main.c: D-Bus name
org.pulseaudio.Server already taken.

This was one of the sites I visited that seemed worth saving just
because pipewire is beginning to received online mentions lately:

https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/pipewire/-/issues/793

In the end, my thought process went to the "what upgraded just before
this occurred" place. That's when deleting alsamixergui became the
thing to do.

That alsamixergui package had just been upgraded maybe an hour before
my instance's erratic behavior began (too). May be a coincidence that
pulseaudio's GUI started working again after alsamixergui's deletion.
Then again, might be that alsamixergui's upgrade changed something
important.. or triggered a conflict. Who knows. :)

As a related aside that includes an "ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK"
disclaimer: I ended up test driving "pasystray" while purging and
reinstalling things "pavu". It's a little bit hefty looking and might
be of interest to curious sorts wanting to delve a little deeper into
their systems. Be aware that it might be possible to kill your
system's sound capabilities if your system offers a lot of choices
instead of just one and you're not sure about what you're doing.

Cindy :)
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Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

Re: question about a .deb file

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 12/9/21, john doe  wrote:
> On 12/9/2021 8:55 AM, Tim Woodall wrote:
>> Does that work or is it a typo? I've always used:
>>
>> apt-get autoremove --purge
>>
> $ apt-get --help
> apt 2.3.13 (amd64)
> Usage: apt-get [options] command
> apt-get [options] install|remove pkg1 [pkg2 ...]
> apt-get [options] source pkg1 [pkg2 ...]
> [snip]
>
> Specifying options before the command looks to be more man page
> compliant...


I've seen one rare occasion where [positioning] overall really
matters, but it wasn't apt-get. It was about mount'ing of ISO or img
files or maybe even a third file type.

My apologies that I can't remember what flag I was using. More than
one flag was involved because of the more unusual mount I was
attempting. One flag was expressed in front of declaring the mount
point, and the other was typed in afterward.

It would mount fine in one instance with one particular flag at the
end (because that's how it had been advised somewhere online). That
same format did NOT work for one now forgotten file type. It all had
to be stated before the file and mount point declaration.

It makes sense. There should be some kind of universal uniformity to
best guarantee predictability of outcome across the widest range of
user setups possible. For mounting, that would be to say do all these
things stated here in this beginning lump to this file being mounted
at this point as declared here at the end of this entire [statement].
It reminds me of "subject and predicate" sentence structuring in
grammar.

Cindy :)
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Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

Re: strange problem with usb wifi adapter

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 12/11/21, Long Wind  wrote:
>
> tomas, glad you are back, i think you've  been for long time
>
> i wonder if my wifi adapter really needs nonfreeware


That's what I was wondering. What's it using to successfully function
before you have to install the nonfree package after the next boot up?
Would comparing something like lsmod before and after provide any
insight?

Just thinking out loud.. :)

Cindy :)
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* runs with birdseed *

Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime - was [Re: Problems with "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"]

[Cindy Sue Causey]

(What I wrote below is) tl;dr :: Is localepurge installed on the
system(s) where the handbook is not reachable? I can't reproduce it
just this second (even though I thought I encountered it just a couple
hours ago during upgrade), but I swear I've seen docs occasionally
included in what is purged. On average, this is what is seen as the
localepurge's operation feedback:

localepurge: Disk space freed:   1564 KiB in /usr/share/locale
localepurge: Disk space freed:640 KiB in /usr/share/man
localepurge: Disk space freed:  0 KiB in /usr/share/tcltk
localepurge: Disk space freed:  0 KiB in /usr/share/help

I'm about "this sure" that I've additionally seen /usr/share/doc
appear there as a fifth line, too. Down below, I've posted file paths
for all four currently available bibletime-data versions. There's been
some change going on. In that case AND if something like localepurge
is installed, maybe there's a potential bug that needs addressed on
one end or the other.

On the "maybe not" side, I went ahead and installed bibletime on
Bookworm. Nothing at all was purged on the four above lines. BUT:
Maybe something's purged in earlier Debian releases...?? I don't have
any installed to test drive it.

My understanding of localepurge is that it's about purging materials
that are installed by default in some packages but that a User
declaring a language specific LANG might not ever need. Am saying that
because I noticed several language options in the bibletime handbook
directories. That provides a place where a glitch might result in a
needed language accidentally getting purged.

As a related aside, this webpage:

https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/180400/is-it-safe-to-empty-usr-share-doc

Says it found this in localepurge's own docs:

"Please note, that this tool is a hack which is not integrated with
Debian's package management system and therefore is not for the faint
of heart. This program interferes with the Debian package management
and does provoke strange, but usually harmless, behaviour of programs
related with apt/dpkg like dpkg-repack, reportbug, etc. Responsibility
for its usage and possible breakage of your system therefore lies in
the sysadmin's (your) hands."


On 12/13/21, Kenneth Parker  wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 8:25 PM Richard Owlett  wrote:
>
>> On 12/13/2021 01:43 PM, Erwan David wrote:
>> > Le 13/12/2021 à 19:18, Richard Owlett a écrit :
>> >> [SNIP]
>> > apt-file search bibletime show that package bibletime-data contains a
>> > handbook and howto subdirectory in
>> >
>> > /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data
>>
>> NOT TRUE when running Debian 11 in southwest Missouri USA.
>>
>
> Is True with Debian 11, KDE.
> I am browsing the Handbook now.  Interesting.
>
> IS  TRUE when running Debian 10 in southwest Missouri USA.
>>
>> How do I identify/select physical repository that is being queried by my
>> run of apt-file?
>>
>
> Interesting!  Apt-File isn't installed by default.  (But I got it easily)
>
> Okay, apt-file is bigger than a bread basket.  So I will defer to the other
> apt-file experts.
>
> However, your symptom suggests that bibletime-data might not have been
> completely Installed.


A slightly minor "pain", but I just downloaded and peeked into all
four bibletime-data versions available in Debian's repositories. These
are the paths that resulted:

Stretch (oldoldstable)
bibletime-data_2.10.1-3_all/usr/share/bibletime/docs/handbook

Buster (oldstable)
bibletime-data_2.11.2-11_all/usr/share/bibletime/docs/handbook

Bullseye (stable)
bibletime-data_3.0-5_all/usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/bibletime/handbook

Bookworm (testing)/Sid (unstable)
bibletime-data_3.0.2-1_all/usr/share/doc/bibletime-data/handbook

Bookworm/Sid's pbibletime-data parent directory also contains this symlink:
bibletime-data_3.0.2-1_all/usr/share/doc/bibletime/handbook

There may be other symlinks that I missed, but that's enough for now.
Feels like they're toying with ways to do something like accommodate
for future growth (additions).

Change happens. Always copacetic here as long as maintainers have made
all appropriate respective alterations within the programming code so
that everything continues to function as expected. Since some members
are successfully reading their handbook here, sounds like that
happened so something else is glitching somewhere.

Cindy :)
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* runs with birdseed *

Re: Desktop "locking".

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 12/16/21, pe...@easthope.ca  wrote:
>
> Thanks Andre.  I wonder whether we all refer to the same green button.
> http://easthope.ca/UnlockYourDesktop.jpg
> It wasn't among the first hundred or so images reported by Google.

I've never seen that before. Just means I haven't used the program
that's involved.

> I removed light-locker and green button continues to appear.  =8~(

There must be a way to track down what's invoking that button's image.
That would lead to a parent directory. In the last couple of weeks,
I've either tripped over a package that could do so or else have seen
it shared here at Debian-User for some query. I can't remember what it
was, though. It was something that was not apt-file.

Oh, PS I plugged the image into Google's image search. I had high
hopes that would find something, but it said nope, nothing matches. It
did identify the image as a dot and said:

"When used as a diacritic mark, the term dot is usually reserved for
the interpunct, or to the glyphs "combining dot above" and "combining
dot below" which may be combined with some letters of the extended
Latin alphabets in use in Central European languages and Vietnamese.
Wikipedia"

Cindy :))
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Re: Need Support on Debian10 Kernel Upgrade

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 12/16/21, David Wright  wrote:
> On Thu 16 Dec 2021 at 16:12:37 (+0100), to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 12:28:17PM +, Balasubramanian Ravuthan wrote:
>> > Hi Team,
>> >
>> >   We are looking support from you on the Linux Kernel upgrade on  Debian
>> > 10. Please help on this.
>>
>> This is a user's list, not a support channel.
>>
>> If you have concrete questions, you can pose them here. Chances are good
>> that some experienced users can help you. Note that this is all
>> voluntary work.
>>
>> There are companies out there offering commercial Debian support. I'm
>> sure a web search will turn up a couple of good candidates.
>
> Anyone think it ironic that a multinational IT company with a
> market capitalisation of $50 billion as of September 2021 comes
> here for help on upgrading the kernel on an old Debian system?


Sounds like something I'd say (and actually have in the past). I
didn't go to the length you did regarding research, but I did notice
it had a style similar to something else in the last week or so
something that... just didn't "sit quite right" from start to finish.

Cindy :)
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Re: Dragging tabs in Google Chrome 97

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 1/5/22, Greg Wooledge  wrote:
> This morning, I did my normal apt-get update/upgrade, and this brought
> in a new version of google-chrome-stable
>
> ii  google-chrome-stable 97.0.4692.71-1 amd64The web browser from
> Google
>
> After restarting in the new version of Chrome, I am unable to move
> tabs around within a window.  Any attempt to drag a tab to the left or
> the right immediately causes the creation of a new window, with the
> tab that I was trying to move inside the new window.
>
> >From there, if I right-click the offending tab inside the new window,
> there's an option to "Move tab to a new window".  I can use this to
> send the tab back to its original window -- but now it's on the far
> right.
>
> I googled (ironically) the problem, and of course because Chrome 97 is
> so new, there are no useful pages in the search results yet.  The nearest
> I found were some older reports of similar issues.


I don't have answers toward a permanent resolution but still wanted to
suggest that CTRL+SHIFT+[pageUP/pageDOWN] works for me to
alternatively move tabs around one position at a time. Am hoping that
also works (universally) in Chrome, too.

That's my go-to route when I experience similar issues with the tabs
detaching. In my case, it's about elderly shaky fingers (Human error),
low computer memory, and such that cause that highly aggravating issue
here. :)


> I know this isn't the *best* place to ask for help with proprietary
> browsers, but this is a pretty popular one, so there's a chance.  Has
> anyone else encountered this problem?  More importantly, does anyone
> know how to *fix* it?
>
> Being unable to rearrange tabs in a sane manner is EXTREMELY irritating.


Cindy :)
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Re: Bullseye default swap partition size?

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 1/8/22, Georgi Naplatanov  wrote:
> On 1/8/22 18:54, John Conover wrote:
>>
>> I just installed Bullseye, using default "use entire disk" as the HD
>> configuration from the Graphical Install option on a Live USB SD.
>>
>> The swap partition size installed on the HD is 1 GB.
>>
>> Buster, etc., used to be about the size of memory, (8 GB in my case,)
>> for the swap partition size.
>>
>> Is there a reason for such small default swap partition size on a 1 TB
>> HD in Bullseye that I don't know about?
>>
>
> Hi John,
>
> nowadays computers have a lot of RAM and some people (including me)
> don't create swap partition or swap file at all. In case of SSD (Solid
> State Disk) you can look at this wiki [1]
>
> [1] https://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization


Saw the two mentions of having no swap and decided to chime in that I
DO use swap, and so do my laptops accordinly. On a blessed day, I have
8GB ram. To the good or the bad of this particular User CHOICE, I try
to remember to figure in 9 to 13 GB swap for my installations.

"free -m" just now shocked me by saying this HP is only using 89mb of
swap. Genuine shock. I'm used to that number being more like 6GB of
swap in use. I'm impressed because this session has been up about six
hours and has headed into hibernation umpteen number of times the
entire time.

Thank you, Developers! I agree that things swapping in and out
painfully clog the system. Currently running up-to-date Bookworm, by
the way.

Cindy :)
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Re: freeing up some space

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 1/11/22, Roy J. Tellason, Sr.  wrote:
> So I'm poking around with mc,  and happened across /var/cache/apt/archives
> which has a LOT of *.deb files in it, and which seems to include many
> versions of the same package,  some of them many years old,  going all the
> way back to 2013.  I guess I've been running debian a little longer than I'd
> thought...
>
> Is it okay to just delete older versions of these files?  Or should I be
> doing something using one of the package management tools?  I've mostly used
> synaptic,  but am also aware of apt-get,  apt,  aptitude,  and am not real
> clear on their comparative capabilities.
>
> I'm looking at over 7500 files amounting to over 9.5GB.
>
> I also see /var/cache/dictionaries-common,  which appears to be tied to a
> spelling checker,  which I don't use here.  And /var/cache/samba,  which I
> also don't use -- there isn't a windoze machine around here at all.
>
> What's the best way to get all of this excess stuff out of the system?


Just chiming in until someone can respond with recent firsthand
experience. If you go to e.g. "man apt" or "man apt-get", you'll see
flag options that are about cleaning up downloaded files. I did this
once a couple years ago and so can't remember which one worked for
what you're asking, but it does work. Whichever option it is, it
leaves the currently installed deb in place and cleanses out anything
that's no longer in use.

Thank you to the Developers who have left this as a User CHOICE that
must be manually addressed if a different option is desired. Users
have their various reasons for maintaining older install debs. It's
nice to know they're always safe from sudden, silent deletion.

Afterthought as I write that because of an experience that I
encountered. There's additionally a value you can define that
automatically performs the above function every time you update and
then upgrade your system's packages.

Remembering that detail led to a search that didn't find a tip on
which file contains that changeable value, but I did find the
following (might need fixed to be one usable line):

https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_basic_package_management_operations_with_the_commandline

If that link doesn't bounce partway down the page to the appropriate
section, CTRL+F (or similar browser find feature) on that "operations
with the commandline" part of the link should help. It's Section 2.2.2
that contains those various interesting values.

If anyone test drives those for the first time, especially without
fully understanding what the notes are saying the options do, PLEASE
make sure to back up your system first. Been there, done that without
backing up in the past. It's not pretty..

Cindy :)
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Re: Debian 11 xfce

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 1/12/22, Thomas Schmitt  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> A KHANNA wrote:
>> How to activate mouse hover click in above system?..it is not having
>> options
>> available in ubuntu.
>
> It seems that a program named "mousetweaks" is in charge for this.
> I understand that its option --dwell is what you are looking for.
>
> My impression comes from Google results with "mouse hover click xfce":
>
> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1161695/how-to-disable-hover-click-in-bionic-with-xfce4
>   https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=11736
>
> and then looking up Debian resources
>   https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/mousetweaks
>   https://manpages.debian.org/bullseye/mousetweaks/mousetweaks.1.en.html
>
>
> I am not often using XFCE. So you will still need to find an answer how
> to automatically start mousetweaks when starting your desktop session.


I just tried installing mousetweaks. It's not showing up under the
autostart option for login so the next step would be to try the "+"
(Add application) option. All of that can be found by following:

Applications (desktop menu) > Settings > Session and Startup >
Application Autostart (tab)

There may also be at least one other path to that same end, but that's
the one that has always worked for me for things like this (and Magnus
and...).

Cindy :)
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Re: Followup to my last...

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 1/18/22, Nicolas George  wrote:
> didier gaumet (12022-01-18):
>> If you do not have internet (ethernet) during install, then follow these
>> steps:
>> http://linuxwireless.sipsolutions.net/en/users/Drivers/b43/#Device_firmware_installation
>
> Looks complicated.
>
> Just run "apt-get install", make not of the URLs that fail to download,
> download them from somewhere else and use a USB stick or something to
> transfer.


That's what I was thinking I'd seen suggested here before, too. I did
a quick "apt-cache search" for the bcm43 that Didier mentioned because
I remember encountering that in the past. This limited list came back
so it's here in whole:

b43-fwcutter - utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware
firmware-b43-installer - firmware installer for the b43 driver
firmware-b43legacy-installer - firmware installer for the b43legacy driver
broadcom-sta-common - Common files for the Broadcom STA Wireless driver
broadcom-sta-dkms - dkms source for the Broadcom STA Wireless driver
broadcom-sta-source - Source for the Broadcom STA Wireless driver
firmware-brcm80211 - Binary firmware for Broadcom/Cypress 802.11 wireless cards

Cindy :)
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Re: cooperative.co.uk has address 127.0.0.1

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 1/18/22, Georgi Naplatanov  wrote:
> On 1/18/22 15:49, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 01:19:58PM +, Richmond wrote:
>>> Why do I see this?
>>>
>>> host cooperative.co.uk
>>> cooperative.co.uk has address 127.0.0.1
>>
>> Because whoever set up that DNS zone made an error.
>>
>> unicorn:~$ host cooperative.co.uk
>> cooperative.co.uk has address 127.0.0.1
>
> I have seen local-link IPv6 addresses as well :)


It's only been once or twice, but I've seen it, too. Pondered it for a
few seconds each time then a-sumed it was somehow tied to the other
end running their own server. The afterthought problem with it is the
inevitable collision with others (obviously) doing the same across the
Web.

Cindy :)
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Re: TDE File Manager options

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 1/20/22, Dan Ritter  wrote:
> c. marlow wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Yes, I know that in previous emails I was using LXDE, but I thought that I
>>
>> would nuke and pave give TDE a try since I had never tried TDE  before.
>>
>> And I am wondering what other file managers work with TDE 14 besides
>> Konqueror,  which ain't worth a dang!
>
> I would expect that every X11 file manager and every terminal
> file manager will work with TDE. There's no need to be
> consistent unless you are very short on RAM and thus need to
> minimize the number of unshared libraries.


I started to type similar in answer to a different thread a couple
days ago. The only drawback about this CHOICE is that sometimes the
desired packages bring in a [boatload] of dependencies that are only
related to the desktop environment most likely to be developing them..
and their interoperability.

Appreciate these threads. I was wanting to install another instance of
Debian. For some dingbat reason, it NEVER occurred to me to pick
something other than XFCE4 on a partition by itself.

As I type that, I do remember having problems with themes and such
features not playing consistently when the same entire /home/user
directory is rbind'ed to all of them. During those times, though, I
had three or four desktop environments all installed on the same
single partition. I'm smelling a lot of symlinking and rbind'ing
necessary to make it work. There was at least one thread about that
quite a while back.

Cindy :)
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Re: is it possible to install bullseye by copy whole disk?

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 1/22/22, lou  wrote:
> i've installed bullseye on usb disk
>
> can i copy it to hard disk (sda2) and make necessary change in
> /etc/fstab and
>
> then update grub of usb disk to boot sda2?


There's also "update-initramfs -u" that can be run in between
/etc/fstab and one's boot manager (LILO, GRUB, etc). That's when my
best successes grab hold.

That may be false hope on my part, but I've always figured it poked
around and verified that everything matched up properly for booting.
With any luck, it might warn about something that's missing if one
keeps encountering an unbootable system

Or not :)

Cindy :)
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Re: firefox and limited bookmarks. WTH?

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 1/22/22, gene heskett  wrote:
> Greetings all ff experts;
>
> Since installing bullseye, and your version of firefox, discovering that
> dissenter is history, I just found that firefoxes forever retention of
> bookmarks now has a max limit set way too low, or a timeout that is
> quicker than it is useful. Looking at bookmarks, and its been about a
> month since I logged in to move a few sheckels around, I needed to do
> that again, and find that bookmark and login have been expired out of
> access if not out of the machine. Obviously that, being my banking, has
> never been written down. I have foolishly depended on my browser to
> remember all that.


Ah, haaa. I noticed it twice in last two days while tracking down a
crochet pattern for my dog's sweater. Those links were only two or
three days old. For me, it's about URLs disappearing out of websurfing
history, not CTRL+D bookmarking.

Not sure exactly when it started doing this, maybe last week;ish. I
log out of user and alternately shut down completely while Firefox is
still in use. I figured that suddenly was an issue when it hadn't been
in a very long time.

Seems like this happened one other time in last couple years. It just
sort of eventually corrected itself, i.e. Developers changed something
that reversed the effect, THANK YOU!.

Good to know.. it's not just me. If I trip over anything about it,
I'll chat it up. Mine's 98 Nightly off the website.

As an afterthought, I went into ~/.mozilla/firefox and poked around.
I'm in a refreshed version because the ~13,000 tabs needed a break. So
I'm in a different, smaller profile. I can't tell if any CTRL+D
bookmarks are lost, BUT..

When I'm in the firefox child directory, I'm seeing a 20MB file,
places.sqlite.corrupt. The places.sqlite that apparently replaced it
is only 10MB large. That's a lot of loss of something that occurred in
the last couple weeks.

When I right clicked to see if I could open places.sqlite and inspect
the contents, Libreoffice tried to open it then reported back that it
considers the 10MB file corrupt, too. Firefox appears to be able to
read something out of that file because I haven't lost everything,
anyway...

One last observation is that I thought it was my imagination that the
overall size of backup copies of ~/.mozilla/firefox kept lunging
around in their size instead of consistently growing larger over time.
It's apparently not imagination, now.

Cindy :)
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Re: Using Gmail on Debian mailing lists

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 3/11/21, Tixy  wrote:
> On Thu, 2021-03-11 at 13:25 -0400, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote:
>> 11 mar 2021 10:40,  wrote:[1]
>> > I would suggest that you leave the date and hour, also, please.  If
>> > I want to
>> > find the original email which might have more context, that is very
>> > helpful.
>>
>> Let me see.  Does this [1] work for you?
>
> Butting into this discussion...
>
> I would suggest that the automatically inserted Spanish version is fine
> and shouldn't be edited. There comes a point where the inconvenience to
> the person sending the message outweighs the trivial benefits to the
> person receiving it.


These are international lists, too. I enjoy being reminded of that via
the attribution when a reply retains the author's language.

Cindy :)
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Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 3/12/21, The Wanderer  wrote:
> On 2021-03-12 at 03:27, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 11:11:16PM -0800, Weaver wrote:
>
>>> I have never had a Facebook account and never will.
>
>> We (three?)  are the invisible Internet Underground \o/
>>
>> [psst. don't tell anyone]
>>
>> ;-)
>
> I can go one better than that.
>
> Unless my memory is failing me, I have only ever visited facebook.com
> once in my life - and that was a mistake, I clicked on a link to
> something that looked interesting without first checking the target domain.


My memory may be failed, but I think the reason I have a Facebook
account is because I found they had my name listed. To this day, I
don't understand how websites get away with that. The first person who
finds your name gets to claim it as their own via that "Is this you?"
thing that they do. Some websites do the same thing for businesses,
too.

My Facebook is still hanging around for weeks like the one we just
had. I have two webpages to post over there. They'll be tagged with a,
"This is what I've been trying to tell everyone for fifteen years. I
haven't been lying nor exaggerating about the situation."

My "advocacy" moved to Twitter because it feels like there's a better
chance of reaching a wider audience. I used to do the hashtags on
Facebook, but it seemed a waste of time because I NEVER stumbled upon
anything written by anyone else. It never felt like there was room for
accidental meetings with others who might help further the expressing
of your concerns (for lack of a better way to put it).

So anyway...

Cindy.. :)
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Re: /usr/share/doc/*/copyright

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 3/14/21, songbird  wrote:
> Ed Redd wrote:
>> --62c8ba05bd84aafe
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> Debianized - The package that Ian put together I unlocked it and he had
>> me
>> asign a package manager. I had 3 options and then I debianized them. I
>> started recieving messages from every list in Debian and I seen Gnu.org
>> messages and they were erased the package manager is trying to fuck me
>> over
>> and cliaming my shit. The package Ian set it up for someone to Publish
>> it.
>
>   well, based upon your language use here and general
> attitude i'm not sure many people are going to be very
> happy to help you.
>
>   cussing isn't going to help.
>
>   can you please be more specific about what you are
> talking about?
>
>   what package?  who is Ian?  unlocked it?  what is it?
> asign a package manager?  assign?  ...  *sigh*


I was guessing Ian Murdock, as in the "ian" part of Debian...

An observation about finding oneself signed up to lists they didn't
join, it happens to me. Without going political about it, it's about
violent criminal activity on my street in Georgia. It's about being
harassed by total strangers. Online as well as in meatspace.

Having gone through this, I have the kind of firsthand experience that
says an additional question is necessary.

WHEN did you have this contact with "Ian"?

Six or eight years ago?

Or... this week?

As asked before in some form, did he give you a last name? If it's
Murdock, what was the email address that was used?

Cindy :)
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Re: which mixer can show sound volume as colorful bar

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 4/19/21, deloptes  wrote:
> Long Wind wrote:
>
>> these days communists pay only lip service to communism ideology
>> concepts such as red or revolution are rarely used in communists'
>> propaganda
>
> this is why I wrote it is a joke. We do not understand why you want to
> change the color. AFAIK the color is part of the theme you are using.


You win! I've played around with themes and watched them change
progress bars. This should be at least relatively within the same
thought process with respect to [programming].

When I change colors, they affect basically "families" of features.
I'd start with figuring out where the volume bar falls then see if
maybe it needs a declaration that is not currently available in its
package. I'd say more than a few users who change their themes would
find that to be a nice addition/improvement to that package.

Of note: Being the package that other packages build upon, maybe
there's not room to add that declaration within the package because of
conflicts that might then occur. In that case, maybe it's something
that could become of those ~2 or 3kb optional external packages that
I've seen apt-get update on occasion.

Just thinking out loud...

Cindy :)
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Re: Zoom.

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 4/21/21, Richmond  wrote:
> pe...@easthope.ca writes:
>
>> Installed Zoom in Debian 10.
>>
>> Checked dependancies listed here.
>> https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/204206269-Installing-or-updating-Zoom-on-Linux
>>
>> A right click on the video camera icon and release on "Join Meeting..."
>> gives
>> the window in this screenshot.
>> http://easthope.ca/ZoomJoinMeeting2021-04-21.png
>>
>> Ideas welcome.
>>
>> Thx,  ... P.
>
> I downloaded zoom_amd64.deb from zoom.us and installed it using apt I
> think. It checks dependencies for you.
>
> sudo apt install ~/Downloads/zoom_amd64.deb


I just had to do this AGAIN yesterday. I download the dotDEB file then
"dpkg -i" it. It always fails due to missing dependencies. Somewhere
in the failed effort, the reminder to "apt --fix-broken install"
appears so that's what I do next.

Yesterday it worked perfectly. Everything was done in about a minute.
60 seconds.

Other times, it's a battle of going back and forth cherry picking
missing dependencies from packages.debian.org then running the "dpkg
-i" command on them, too, until every package is finally satisfied.
I'm a-suming that yesterday's success was due to Bullseye getting
ready to roll over into stable..

Maybe. Whatever the reason, yesterday was a good day for it to go that
smoothly. Thank you to all who help make that happen. :)

Cindy :)
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Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with birdseed *

Re: No networking after resume from suspend

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 4/22/21, Richmond  wrote:
> When I resume from suspend there is no networking. I cannot find a way
> to restart it. I tried these various commands.
>
> systemctl restart network
> /etc/init.d/networking restart
> systemctl reset-failed
> systemctl restart networking.service
> systemctl restart network-online.target
> systemctl restart network-manager.service
> systemctl start network-manager.service
> systemctl stop network-manager.service
>
> lshw says:
>
>  description: Ethernet interface
>  product: 88E8071 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller
>  vendor: Marvell Technology Group Ltd.
>
> What can I do?


Questions where answers might help come to mind. Primarily, has this
always occurred, or did it just start up in the last couple days?

I'm on a new old secondhand laptop today. Just started using it
yesterday. It's doing similar, but I can trigger it back on via
"wicd-curses". A quick CTRL+R (refresh) for no particular reason and
then CTRL+C (connect), and I'm back up and running.

WHEN it happens again, I'm going to try to remember to try your
various commands to see if I receive similar results. I'm going to
copy those right now so they're available offline when it's time.

A PS to this is that a couple of us were having a reconnect problem a
while back. Mine would just suddenly stop and then refuse to
reconnect. Always took a reboot (and sometimes 2) before it would
start working again.

PPS What's your eth0 being called? Mine's a moving target depending on
which (older) laptop I'm using. I've used 4 different names in the
last two weeks.

Two of those renames were the long version that Users also see for
wireless dongles. That was appropriate because I was using two
different ethernet to USB port adapters. Those long values are tied to
the specific products we're using.

The other two values now flip between "enp1s0" and "eno1". Those are
both for internal (onboard) ports. So far, it appears to be that those
stay specific to two different laptops. I like that eno1 one. I STILL
can't confidently remember that other naming pattern every time it
comes up.

Those values are entered under Preferences in the wicd-curses
interface. I had a problem earlier today where it wouldn't connect
back up. I had just learned that /etc/wicd/manager-settings.conf is
relevant so I peeked at it.

That value was wrong. It didn't refresh after I used the terminal
interface. I changed it, and mine connected back up by itself as fast
as that changed file was saved.

Which brings me to ANOTHER observation through all of this. Sometimes
sitting here counting to 10 or 15 seconds helps after clicking once to
reconnect.

That was an accidental find, a "patience pays" kind of deal. I'm
presuming that Users having similar experiences may be doing the same
thing I did.

My old method was to keep repeatedly clicking a reconnect button every
couple of seconds then finally close the program in frustration. These
last few days, just sitting here staring at the screen while counting
seconds gives it time to churn out a successful connection.

Cindy :)
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Re: No networking after resume from suspend

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 4/23/21, David Wright  wrote:
> On Fri 23 Apr 2021 at 10:49:00 (+0100), Richmond wrote:
>> Cindy Sue Causey  writes:
>>
>> > Questions where answers might help come to mind. Primarily, has this
>> > always occurred, or did it just start up in the last couple days?
>>
>> It has occured since installing debian (10). Prior to that I was using
>> opensuse.
>>
>> > I'm on a new old secondhand laptop today. Just started using it
>> > yesterday. It's doing similar, but I can trigger it back on via
>> > "wicd-curses". A quick CTRL+R (refresh) for no particular reason and
>> > then CTRL+C (connect), and I'm back up and running.
>>
>> I don't think I am using Wicked, if that is the equivalent of the
>> opensuse Wicked. I think I am using network manager.
>
> JFTR there's no connection (pun, sorry) between Wicd¹ and Wicked.²
> Confusion is compounded by their identical pronunciation.
>
> Wicked would claim to be a superset of NetworkManager. Wicd is a
> simple connection manager, handling just one connection at a time.
>
> In any case, wicd's days are numbered unless and until it moves
> forward from Python2. There's a Python3 version in experimental,
> but the hiatus might not be good for sustaining its popularity.


Experimental is the version I'm using. That was an empowering moment
there. It helped me finally understand all the chatter about backports
and the irreplaceable value to Users looking for missing programs that
didn't make it in time to be included in any given release.


> ¹ acronym, Wireless Interface Connection Daemon
>
> ² "No REST for the wicked", motivational joke after SUSE rejected
>   using REST, a REpresentational State Transfer interface.


Thank you! I always wondered but never pursued what the wicd acronym
was. I assumed it was an acronym, anyway, because of that "d" that
appears in other packages, too.

#1 I'm so sorry, I made a major mistake last night. To operate
wicd-curses, the commands are SHIFT+R for refresh and SHIFT+C to
connect. There's no CTRL used there. That was the first thought I had
this morning after waking up.

The tl;dr for the rest of this is that systemctl worked for me this
morning, but I'm using wicd instead of e.g. network-manager. They're
both still available on Debian because there are differences in how
they function. They don't appear to be duplicate overkill by both
being installable. My memory recall is that they don't play nice
together.

Ok, so I tried those various systemctl lines. When I actually read
them, I realized this isn't an apples to apples comparison. That
"network-manager" was the sign.

In addition to that, I'm on a wired connection in case this was about
wireless. For the moment, I can only assume wicd might handle wireless
connections similarly.

With respect to those terminal commands, I first tried wicd-curses
instead of network-manager. That didn't work because it's an
interface.

So I tried "systemctl restart wicd" but couldn't tell that anything
was happening beyond that it didn't throw any errors. I tried
"systemctl stop wicd", and it understandably killed my open
wicd-curses interface in the terminal.

Next, "systemctl start wicd" was entered. I reopened wicd-curses...
and it was already connected online without any further intervention.
It was cool to see that interaction, am just waiting for my brain to
have the ah-ha moment about exactly what happened.

In the meantime, that's my "learn something new" today. One my
earliest "thank you" posts about Debian was about the fact that there
are frequently at least two ways to accomplish many tasks. That kept
coming to mind over the last month of horrific hardware failures.

Several of those alternates were used repeatedly the last few weeks.
In particular, the right click on the desktop to access the
Applications menu was invaluable. I was working on a badly damaged
screen that blocked access to the usual method of clicking the word
"Applications" on the top left in XFCE4.

N.B. Apparently the dogs or I stepped on my Dell Duo when it was on
the floor beside me here. The leaking damage on the screen looked just
like a giant footprint, lol.

AND I just now remembered that I could have moved the desktop panel
that holds that Application menu. Hopefully there will never be a next
time where that needs to occur.

Cindy :)
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Re: No networking after resume from suspend

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 4/23/21, Dan Ritter  wrote:
> Richmond wrote:
>> > Let's try from the bottom up?
>> >
>> > ip link show
>> >   will show you the interfaces recognized by the kernel. If this
>> >   works, it might show you an eth0, an en0, or something like a
>> >   enp22s0 device. Let's call it "SAM".
>>
>> Thanks for your reply.
>>
>>  enp2s0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast
>> state DOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
>
>
>> >   and make sure the cable is plugged in.
>>
>> :)
>
> Ah, you laugh, but: the NO-CARRIER...UP... state DOWN means that
> the kernel recognizes the device and there's a cable issue.
>
> Go trace the cable, replug in both ends, and if that doesn't
> work, replace the cable. If the far end has a free port, try
> swapping to a different port - this one might be toasted.


Those ethernet to USB port adapter products have been irreplaceable
for me. The only ones that have NEVER worked are the ones that come as
a two-for-one package. They don't seem to work for most other Users,
either. I tested the one I have just a few days ago AGAIN. Zero
interaction.

Maybe I'll try it yet AGAIN today. I'd like to solve that so that it's
one more successful option for mainly poverty folks with computers.
The package I bought was surely under $10. I think I've probably paid
at most maybe $5 or $6 for the single ones.

All of the adapters that come as a single item have worked great. You
just have to track down the new identifier, e.g. one of mine is
"enx00909e9dd1ee". That long value goes wherever one normally types in
eth0, enp1s0, eno1, etc.

Dmesg often reports that value. I grep /var/log/kern* for the word
"renamed" because that's what I always remember first. Except that
then there's having to open kern.log in a text editor occasionally so
yeah, dmesg rocks if one can remember to go that route.

Grep works with dmesg, too. I just tested it. Only one line to read as
output. Very cognitively friendly! :)

Cindy :)
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Re: Evolution

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 4/27/21, deloptes  wrote:
>
> If you want a stable desktop you know there is one called Trinity Desktop
> (TDE) - it just works. But upfront the Evolution monster will behave the
> same if you insist using it :D

While attempting to find something calendar-like, I tried Evolution on
Xfce4 about a year ago. Installed it, gave it a shot for about 5 1/2
seconds, said pt(!), and threw it on a very far back burner.

My intentions are to try it again one day to attempt to figure out why
it didn't work. It's comforting to know it's not just me encountering
something usability related there.

Cindy :)
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Re: Howto disable automounting of all removeable media

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 5/16/21, Joe  wrote:
> On Sun, 16 May 2021 06:09:17 -0500
> Richard Owlett  wrote:
>
>> I've never thought to use *my name* as a keyword when looking for
>> resolved issues.
>>
>
> It's worth doing that at least once or twice a year to keep an eye on
> what Google knows about you, or at least what it will publicly display.
> I'm happy to say that I normally appear no higher than page ten.
>
> You may also be surprised to see how many people also have your name.
> At least one will be a clergyman.


This is what I do, too. It's how I found out someone had created a
fake Twitter account using my name, my images, and my bio information.
The only change was their location was West Virginia, and they posted
tweets that had a lot of *numbers* in them.

My real Twitter is Studebaker. They called theirs "Studebarke".
Twitter took it down within a couple hours of a request for them to do
so. There is still an "Account suspended" fragment hanging around out
there on their website.

Please be safe out there. It's not the same World we were living in 20
years ago. Toward both the good and the bad, the Internet has played a
large part in that change. :)

Cindy :)
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Re: Debmirror

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 5/18/21, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside  wrote:
> Hi !
> I can't seem to get the debian security updates repository using debmirror.
> It did work for me to get the standard repository, with both amd64 and
> i386 plus the sources.
> But I can't do it with security.debian.org
> It just wait for ever and will fail.
>
> Got any hint ?
> Here's my command name
>
> debmirror  --method=https --progress --debug --verbose
> --dist="buster/updates" --section="main" --arch="amd64,i386" --source
> --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg
> --host="security.debian.org" --diff=mirror /dpkg/security/
>
> Got any hint ?


Try this maybe?

http://security.debian.org/debian-security/

The one you're currently using redirects to an informational text
page. This second one from my apt-get sources opens to the kind of
downloadable packages you might be seeking.

One of the things I learned early on with ALL Linux distributions was
to play with visiting the repository pages in person to get a feel for
their layouts. On rare occasions, I've used that method to download
problem packages when all other methods of installation were failing.
*s* :)

Cindy :)
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Re: how to use mtp command line?

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 5/23/21, Celejar  wrote:
> On Sun, 23 May 2021 01:12:50 + (UTC)
> Long Wind  wrote:
>
>> https://wiki.debian.org/mtp
>> i have success with jmtpfs, but it's very slowi want to use mtp-tools, but
>> can't find documentation
>> i use twm and try gui tool gmtp, with no success
>
> Sorry, I can't really help. I use jmtpfs, and it certainly can be
> slow, but I always assumed that that was inherent to the protocol or
> the camrea / phone implementation, but who really knows.


If you all are talking about it functioning via a camera's cable,
Thunar recently put me through that same experience. Because it was so
much slower than my card readers, I assumed it was something inherent
to the limited amount of basically everything that average cameras
have under the hood.


> You may find something useful on the ArchWiki MTP page, although it
> doesn't have much on mtp-tools:
>
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Media_Transfer_Protocol


Ditto on ArchWiki all the way around. That's how I learned to use A
LOT of *Debian* early on. I think it boiled down to how their way of
writing up their documentation gelled with how my brain cognitively
operates.

Cindy :)
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* runs with birdseed *

Re: Upgrading to Bullseye?

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 5/27/21, Greg Wooledge  wrote:
> On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 08:30:16AM -0700, latincom wrote:
>> Thank you
>>
>> Here is the mistake:
>>
>> deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main
>> contrib non-free
>>
>> deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main
>> contrib
>> non-free
>
> Yes, the format for the security line is changing in bullseye.  The new
> format should be less confusing (no more "is it foo-updates or foo/updates"
> questions) in the long run, but there will obviously be some initial
> confusion during the transition.


Speaking of Bullseye and transitions, "man sources.list" is now again
listing dot sources files. It did so a while back just long enough for
me to stumble on it then the extended reference seemed to disappear.
Today's "man sources.list" has two references under the
"SOURCES.LIST.D" and "DEB822-STYLE FORMAT" headings.

One caveat is that third party vendors will need to be advised on how
to sniff out a User's CHOICE toward that format. They will need to
adjust what they do accordingly. Once they figure it out the first
time, it's not an ongoing changing deal. It's just going to take them
adding one or more additional lines of code that have a checkpoint for
dot sources files.

Warnings about duplicate entries for any package after a User updates
apt or apt-get is the sign that tweak needs addressed by the TRUSTED
outside/third party vendor. That complaint will occur because the
vendor doesn't know to sniff the User's dot sources file(s) for their
own repositories in the same way vendors already take a poke at our
longstanding dot list files (based on personal experience).

Cindy :)
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Re: A Grub Boot Question about initrd

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 6/5/21, Martin McCormick  wrote:
> First I greatly appreciate all this information as the idea is to
> fix a problem I probably created long ago though I am not sure
> how but the short story is that apt-get upgrade ran update-grub
> and update-initramfs late last Fall and I was able to rescue it
> but it happened again at the end of April so I figured I had
> better fix it correctly since I didn't know it was a ticking
> bomb.


In a different email where deloptes says...

On 6/5/21, deloptes  wrote:
> I have cloned many installations. You are right if done with dd UUID is the
> same - but this is perhaps not exactly what you want. I usually either boot
> in rescue (initrd shell) or have a USB or Debian installation medium to
> chroot and adjust some settings


Right there at that part is where I run "update-initramfs -u" in my
own similar kind of maneuvering. THEN I do this


> and finally execute install/update-grub.
> Now with UEFI it is more likely you have a slightly different use case but
> UUIDs are what they are.


My success rate has been much higher since taking that tactic. One
caveat. I'm using LILO these days because GRUB refused to acknowledge
GPT hard drives in my usage case.

One thing I noticed toward the end before I dumped GRUB was that there
were repeatedly mismatches down my whole grub.cfg file. Multiple
blocks would have two different UUIDs that GRUB found for what should
have been one singular UUID per each partition.

Because there is SO MUCH information in that file, that tiny detail
didn't immediately leap off the page as surely being a problem in the
making. I never did figure out what was occurring because the second
UUID, the wrong one, NEVER matched anything in my system.

Cindy :)
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Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with birdseed *

Re: grub2 boot menu

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 6/24/21, didier gaumet  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Grub can ignore all or only certain OSes that os-prober detects by
> setting up the desired behaviour in /etc/default/grub
>
> from the grub info page:
> [...]"
> 'GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER'
>  Normally, 'grub-mkconfig' will try to use the external 'os-prober'
>  program, if installed, to discover other operating systems
>  installed on the same system and generate appropriate menu entries
>  for them.  Set this option to 'true' to disable this.
>
> 'GRUB_OS_PROBER_SKIP_LIST'
>  List of space-separated FS UUIDs of filesystems to be ignored from
>  os-prober output.  For efi chainloaders it's @
> "[...]


This is basically just noise, but, ooohhh, that sounds NICE and
HANDY. I'm wondering how many other tricks like that exist that never
see the light of day. In a perfect World, maybe someone with deep
knowledge of those features could approach Debian-Publicity about
submitting e.g. "Hey, Did You Know You Can" tips that are included
in their newsletters and updates?

Speaking as someone with cognitive issues such that I operate as a
perennial newbie, it would surely help if someone could point GRUB
Users to what that "" is referencing.

For now, it just sounds like part of the fancier loading needs that
are occasionally discussed here on Debian-User. My thought process is
that maybe hearing it further described will trigger a fellow lurker's
interest in learning more about how their Debian works right from the
boot beginning.

Cindy :)
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Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with birdseed *

Re: Bug#990086: apt-key is deprecated in bullseye, how to manage keys instead

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 6/26/21, Andrei POPESCU  wrote:
>> Andrei, thanks for having picked up my problem and having cared for the
>> release notes to comment on it, and also for supposedly having motivated
>> Julian Andres Klose to publish a very helpful blog post on the related
>> subject. Brad Rogers here in the thread linked to it in his answer to me,
>> thanks also for this.
>> Darac Marjal in his answer made me understood, that my problem was NOT
>> about
>> knowing how to copy a key file to a directory, but about being convinced
>> that it is allowed to simply copy files to the /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/
>> sub-directory without having to manage this by a special tool like gpg.
>> For
>> convincing me, maybe the man page of apt-key was simply missing a word
>> like
>> "manually" for expressing to "manually place files in this sub-director".
>> As
>> a beginner being confronted with security relevant procedures, specially
>> when it is about things like PGP keys based on a Web Of Trust concept,
>> you
>> easily suspect that a special security tool would exist for ensuring that
>> handling the important package signature key infrastructure is done
>> correctly. Obviously not. Simply copying a key there appears is really
>> enough to get access to a repository.
>
> Well, it makes perfect sense if you remember that "everything is a
> file", even if there are exceptions (e.g. network devices).


Hopefully I'm reading this right. While on dialup, I spent A LOT of
time battling a well-known closed source modem tty* driver. Out of
desperation, I could sometimes get it to work by copying it between
hard drives that contained separate operating systems.

BUT you can't just e.g. "cp" or "right click > copy" it over. It would
fail with a "Can't copy special file" error message. I know this
because I just did it again with ttyS0. You CAN rsync it between
partitions, and it would be viable, usable.


> Documentation for actions requiring specialized tools is rather of the
> form "use foo to add an entry to baz", e.g. in the context of GnuPG it
> would be "use gpg to add this public key to " (which is also a
> file, but must be manipulated with specialized tools).


Cindy :)
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Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with birdseed *

Re: the Amazing Poly

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 6/30/21, to...@tuxteam.de  wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 05:57:45PM +0300, ellanios82 wrote:
>>  - the Amazing Poly : short & to the point [vimeo]
>
> ?


Maybe this?

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/05/msg00241.html

Cindy..
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Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with birdseed *

Re: why pdf file at archive.org is so slow to open

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 7/4/21, loushanguan2...@sina.com  wrote:
>
> Thanks!it has nothing to do with downloadi have saved it to home
> directoryand then open it with acrobat for linuxit's slow when i browse it
> what cpu do you use?my cpu is old and cheap


Hi.. I saw some of the other of this thread where you named a couple
of viewers. Have you tried Atril, too? I can't say that the speed will
be any different, but sometimes good things happen. :)

Atril's in the main repository for me in Bullseye. Its short
"apt-cache search" description says it's a MATE desktop environment
viewer, but I have it installed on XFCE4. I just fake purged it to see
what else it would uninstall. Only 4 other packages, for whatever that
might be worth per each, our own personalized Debian installs.

Cindy :)
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Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with birdseed *

Re: Buster error no release file

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 7/7/21, kris  wrote:
> Install completed but when open software in desktop no release file
> error.
> Where do I obtain file and how do I install it?


Hi, kris.. I'm "just" an everyday Debian User who tried a quick search
by using your error wording there. This came back about Ubuntu which
works similar to Debian but with their own personal developer tweaks:

https://itsfoss.com/repository-does-not-have-release-file-error-ubuntu/

Yes, that's talking about repositories, but it still sounds like a
good place to start looking. That could still be a possible
explanation for a similar error popping up related to the software
that would be downloaded and installed from those repositories.

If that method doesn't work, what might help other Users help you is
if you can provide the name of whatever installer you used, e.g. an
ISO file name or similar. It might also help to share the entire
contents of your "/etc/apt/sources.list" file if you find one on your
setup.

Cindy :)
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Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with birdseed *

Re: Busybox Debian commanding

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 7/7/21, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside  wrote:
> On 2021-07-06 9:27 a.m., David wrote:
>> On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 at 23:17, Gunnar Gervin  wrote:
>>
>>> grub rescue>
>>
>> Try reading this:
>> https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub/html_node/GRUB-only-offers-a-rescue-shell.html#GRUB-only-offers-a-rescue-shell
>>
>>> Tried to remove all 7 partitions in grub rescue>
>>
>> Why are you trying to remove partitions?
>> What is your goal?
>>
> This was the "killer" question you've asked here !
> People are always afraid when they ask themselves what am I trying to
> do, and ever worst, is this the way to do...
>
> Why would someone do partition editing inside GRUB ?
> Maybe getting confused between the partitions and menu options...


I wondered yesterday, too, but David covered it so I didn't ponder it
any further. TODAY is different so I'm taking the above one step
further to specifically ask if this is YOUR (OP's) choice or is the
system randomly telling you to go that route?

My thought process is to rule out that a malicious third party is at
work because of all the chatter about [malware] these days. :)

That GRUB prompt has beat me up often in the last couple of years. It
first came up when GRUB started failing for some of us with respect to
however we set up our GPT [tables].

The other times that were a lot easier to fix were about having
mismatched /vmlinuz and/or /initrd.img during booting. That problem
disappears when the right kernel is being booted.

Prior to realizing what I broke, I had mixed things up so that
something like 4.19 was booting instead of 5.10, but even ~5.7 was
causing that issue. If it manages to boot past the GRUB prompt, it
still eventually fails by multiple different types of freezing at the
login screen.**

It's a fair/rational talking point/checkpoint if that error ever pops
up on tech lists. The fact that it magically goes away without
intervention sometimes is because there was probably another kernel
upgrade that incidentally fixed the cross-wiring.. :)

Cindy :)

** There was a period of time where I accidentally tripped over that
my cursor was hiding offscreen sometimes when login was failing. I
almost posted on Debian-Accessiblity to ask if they had helped change
some boot accessibility setting (related to negative margins for
positioning screenreader features)... and then I tripped over the
mismatched kernels. Cursor stays on screen now.

One last head scratcher about it was that I couldn't login at all if
cursor wasn't visible. If the cursor was movable and could be dragged
into view from the right side, I could suddenly log in to a normal,
long session just fine. That was an odd trigger toward success when
the real problem was about mismatched kernels.
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Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with birdseed *

Re: badblocks

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 7/7/21, mick crane  wrote:
> On 2021-07-07 18:30, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>>> I got a cheap SATA to USB external adaptor and used it to look at a
>>> 500Gb
>> [...]
>>> Might I think that there is something amiss with the USB/SATA adapter
>>> thing ?
>>
>> In my experience, USB<->SATA adapters are not super-reliable (cheap or
>> not), the main problem stemming from power delivery, so you might like
>> to retry it on other USB ports, the more power it can deliver
>> the better.
>>
>> [ Obviously, I presume that your adapter does not have its own power
>>   source.  ]
>
> has 12v supply, I've ordered another one and see if any different.


I think I'm picturing what you're using because I've used that myself.
I switched to the black, boxlike "docking stations" a couple years ago
because I was having some kind of trouble, maybe even like you now,
with those other "wiring harness" adapters.

One caveat is that the "dual" docking stations that have the clone
ability may be easy to trigger into an irreversible clone that
destroys data on the second hard drive. I'd seen someone complain
about that in their product review.

Now I think I did it myself because one hard drive keeps reporting
that it's a duplicate something or other at boot. All I can figure is
I accidentally bumped the duplicate button on the docking station, and
off it went without asking for verification first. The harmed hard
drive is sitting untouched until I brave up toward attempting a
software autopsy in hopes of salvaging data. The holdup is that I'm
mentally not prepared to hear I lost that data forever. :)

Cindy :)
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Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with birdseed *

Code Hosts with sights on the inevitable [Was: Working for free....]

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 7/13/21, Brian Thompson  wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 08:01:58AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
>>If you maintain a local copy of your code and just push it to Github
>>for serving it publicly (which is what I do, and what I assume most
>>developers do), you haven't lost control of your code - if / when the
>>host does anything you don't like, you take the existing code and make
>>it available elsewhere, and stop posting future code to the offending
>>service. (It'll still have a copy of any existing code, of course - but
>>that's inevitable with FLOSS software regardless of where you host it.)
>
> Agreed. Plus, as long as you have a proper license, like GPLv3, then you
> should be good to host your code on a provider like GitHub, or at least
> use that host as a mirror.


Am not doing well putting words together this morning, but for this
topic: There inevitably comes an end to each LIFE. Which hosting
option or options are being consciously used because that's where
Developers' legacies of coding are most likely to remain publicly
available for the longest amount of time possible after folks pass
away?

Github's hosting an account that has been dormant for about four years
now. It may be one of the few places on this planet where anything
about that developer is available. Calling that information priceless
today is putting it mildly because there's a possibility that his
passing was... "highly premature"...

And, no, not of his own accord if so.

Cindy..
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Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with birdseed *

Re: Upgrade problems?

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 7/21/21, Tixy  wrote:
> On Wed, 2021-07-21 at 12:04 -0400, Frank McCormick wrote:
>> On 2021-07-21 10:52 a.m., Kushal Kumaran wrote:
>>
>> frank@fedora ~$ stat /
>>File: /
>>Size: 4096Blocks: 8  IO Block: 4096 directory
>> Device: 806h/2054d  Inode: 2   Links: 18
>> Access: (0555/dr-xr-xr-x)  Uid: (0/root)   Gid: ( 1000/ frank)
>> Context: system_u:object_r:root_t:s0
>> Access: 2021-07-21 10:22:56.572440309 -0400
>> Modify: 2021-06-26 15:48:58.771330459 -0400
>> Change: 2021-06-27 10:10:28.333447227 -0400
>> Birth: 2021-06-11 13:38:48.0 -0400
>>
>> Looks like owned by root but access by frank ?
>>
>> Will chown work ?
>
> Also looks like / is not writeable by root, what have you done to your
> system?
>
> Didn't you have directory permissions problems before? A quick search
> throws up https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2020/10/msg00059.html


My apologies if my thread trimming glitched any. That thing about "/",
were your packages e.g. deb packages or did you untar a package or a
few?

It's about a bug I tried to submit to Security a couple years ago. I
got shut down, kind of a cyber hand thrown up in my face. STILL "not
amused".

It was about my own "/" multiple times over becoming owned by
something else every time I untarred one particular package. The
package would reach up two or three or so parent directories to take
over the "/" directory.

Cindy. :)
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Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with birdseed *

Re: Upgrade problems?

[Cindy Sue Causey]

Adding this up here as a quick read: If this was installation via
debs, I'm out of the conversation. If it was about untarring [zipped
files] and you can repeatedly reproduce the issue now that you have
seen this, PLEASE don't share the package name(s) publicly. They could
be... dissected and then reconstructed for less than moral purposes.

Cindy :)

On 7/22/21, Cindy Sue Causey  wrote:
> On 7/21/21, Tixy  wrote:
>> On Wed, 2021-07-21 at 12:04 -0400, Frank McCormick wrote:
>>> On 2021-07-21 10:52 a.m., Kushal Kumaran wrote:
>>>
>>> frank@fedora ~$ stat /
>>>File: /
>>>Size: 4096Blocks: 8  IO Block: 4096 directory
>>> Device: 806h/2054d  Inode: 2   Links: 18
>>> Access: (0555/dr-xr-xr-x)  Uid: (0/root)   Gid: ( 1000/ frank)
>>> Context: system_u:object_r:root_t:s0
>>> Access: 2021-07-21 10:22:56.572440309 -0400
>>> Modify: 2021-06-26 15:48:58.771330459 -0400
>>> Change: 2021-06-27 10:10:28.333447227 -0400
>>> Birth: 2021-06-11 13:38:48.0 -0400
>>>
>>> Looks like owned by root but access by frank ?
>>>
>>> Will chown work ?
>>
>> Also looks like / is not writeable by root, what have you done to your
>> system?
>>
>> Didn't you have directory permissions problems before? A quick search
>> throws up https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2020/10/msg00059.html
>
>
> My apologies if my thread trimming glitched any. That thing about "/",
> were your packages e.g. deb packages or did you untar a package or a
> few?
>
> It's about a bug I tried to submit to Security a couple years ago. I
> got shut down, kind of a cyber hand thrown up in my face. STILL "not
> amused".
>
> It was about my own "/" multiple times over becoming owned by
> something else every time I untarred one particular package. The
> package would reach up two or three or so parent directories to take
> over the "/" directory.
>
> Cindy. :)
> --
> Cindy-Sue Causey
> Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
>
> * runs with birdseed *

Re: debian-user list info and guidelines (FAQ) - posted monthly

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 8/4/21, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 2021-08-04 6:43 p.m., Brian wrote:
>> On Wed 04 Aug 2021 at 22:01:18 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
>>
>>> Problems?
>>> =
>>>
>>> Complaints about inappropriate behaviour should be referred to the
>>> Debian Community Team .
>>>
>>> Inappropriate behaviour on the list may lead to warnings; repeated bad
>>> behaviour may lead to temporary or permanent bans for offenders.
>>
>> I have never known a tempory ban being applied to a user. Is this a
>> recent change in Listmaster policy?
>>
> I don't see how it would be possible to ban a user on a open mailing
> list that anyone can write to (without being registered).
>
> If so, maybe there should be a try on banning the person who doesn't
> stop sending message regarding "Wanna meet you"...


If they're typing to you from North Georgia (USA), the signs are out
there that it's going to be a non-problem very, very soon. If the
group does finally get nabbed, it's going to be a major headline
maker.

Very soon. :)

As to the other, I've seen someone get banned. It fell under that
observation about this being an open list. The person kept coming
back.. repeatedly. It finally stopped. Had to have been a major
intervention of some kind to get to that cease point.

About a week ago, I read the banned person asking for something on one
of the lists. That implies that all involved worked things out
amicably. Finally. Thank you all for that! It was a distressing moment
in things Debian, and now it's not. :)

As an afterthought.. If someone ever writes off list and says they're
me, it's not. I'm actually shy in one-on-one instances. If it ever
happens, please consider taking whatever legal means necessary to help
that not happen to someone else.

It HAS happened. There's a suspended Twitter account because I asked
Twitter to do so. It had my pictures, my name, my "bio" information.
And a town in West Virginia. Knowing the group here like I do, I'd say
the account was coordinating illegal sales up there in the North.

Fun times. :)

Cindy :)
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Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012)

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 8/11/21, Nicolas George  wrote:
> Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside (12021-08-11):
>> Sorry if this annoyed yourself but a long time Debian user of this
>> mailing list, who could also be considered "part of Debian" gave me the
>> hint of replying directly to the user when it comes to this mailing list.
>
> That was wrong. Do not do it.
>
> "When replying to messages on the mailing list, do not send a carbon
> copy (CC) to the original poster unless they explicitly request to be
> copied."
>
> https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/
>
>> I am totally aware of the use of headers. I simply hit *reply* in my
>> mail client.
>
> Either you did something else for my e-mail or your mail client is
> bogus. I specifically configured my headers to avoid a double reply, the
> same way most mailing-lists are configured to do automatically.


Gmail handled it properly just now...

Cindy :)
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Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

Re: apt-upgrade (Bullseye) shows 1 pkg not upgraded

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 8/10/21, Jim Popovitch  wrote:
> On Tue, 2021-08-10 at 18:59 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>>
>> The OP claimed they have nothing pinned, but presented no evidence to
>> support this claim.  Perhaps they thought that because they didn't
>> explicitly *pin* anything themselves, there must not be anything
>> pinned on their system.  So why bother looking?
>>
>> They should at least look.
>
> I did.
>
>>
>> grep -ri pin /etc/apt
>
> That's exactly how I did look.


What about something that didn't fully upgrade for whatever reason? I
haven't encountered that  in a few weeks so I'd already forgotten
whether it was "apt(-get)" or "dpkg". Quick search brought up this
[0]:

"dpkg --configure -a"   configure all partially installed packages

If that has already been tried, my apologies.

[0] https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html
See under "2.4.1. Advanced package management operations with commandline"

Cindy :)
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Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

Re: Haskell Platform

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 1/27/22, Charles Curley  wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 21:30:25 +
> Aaron Gray  wrote:
>
>> Is it possible to get the Haskell-Platform updated to a more recent
>> version ?
>>
>> Debian has got the 2014 version on all releases.
>>
>> Can someone point me in the right direction as to how to do something
>> about this please ?
>
> Knowing nothing about Haskell, I'd do:
>
> charles@hawk:~$ apt-cache show haskell-platform
> Package: haskell-platform
> Version: 2014.2.0.0.debian8
> Installed-Size: 12
> Maintainer: Debian Haskell Group
>  Architecture: all
>
> 
>
> Homepage: http://hackage.haskell.org/platform/
>
> 
>
> You might ask the Debian Haskell Group and check the home page to see
> if there are more recent versions (I have no idea). You might also file
> a bug against the haskell-platform package.


There are some folks over at reddit, too, if that's anyone's thing:

https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/

Cindy :)
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Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

Re: Screen not blanking

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 2/5/22, Nicholas Geovanis  wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 5, 2022, 3:15 PM c. marlow  wrote:
>>
>> Subject: Screen not blanking
>> Date: Saturday 05 February 2022, 03:13:19 pm
>> From: "c. marlow" 
>> To: us...@trinitydesktop.org
>>
>> Fresh install of Debian 11 ( as of yesterday)
>> Trinity Desktop 14
>>
>> My screen is not going to sleep Sometimes it will and sometimes it
>> won't.
>>
>> For instance:
>>
>> I took a nap earlier... The password box said the session was locked at
>> 2:01
>> PM CST. At 3:00 the screen was still on!!
>>
>
> Just a thought. Make sure the time zone and  localization settings are
> _really_ the same as you use on other Debian installations. And same as you
> are expecting.
>
> Also when the screen does turn off, it takes WAY over the time that
>> I have it set for to blank off and turn off the screen. I have it set for:
>>
>> 25 for screensaver
>>
>> 26 for display standby
>>
>> 26 for display suspend
>>
>> 26 min to power off the screen.
>>
>> Sometimes its almost or right at an hour before the screen blanks off.
>>
>> I didn't have this problem with Gnome DE on Debian.


I'm not using any screensavers these days (for no particular reason),
but when I did have them installed, I've also experienced similar
conflicts. I can't remember if I actually fixed it, seems like it at
least became more bearable, when I went into Settings and played
around there:

Applications (desktop menu) > Settings > Power Manager

Multiple tabs there seem to allow for potential conflict.

That's under XFCE4, by the way. Other desktop environments like
Trinity will hopefully have their own similar user-friendly features.

Afterthought based on the power management potential for conflict: Are
there any possibly related warning or error messages showing up via
e.g. dmesg?

Cindy :)
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Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

Re: Stalled system shutdown

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 2/11/22, Tixy  wrote:
> On Fri, 2022-02-11 at 00:58 +0100, José Luis González wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> When shutting down, after upgrading to Debian 11, system shutdown hangs
>> (freezes) for some time (about 1-2 minutes) anytime, making it
>> bothersome to shut the system down.
>>
>> The freeze happens afther the "Stopped target remote filesystems"
>> status line. After a while "A stop job is running for ntopng" is
>> printed with an "in progress" status in red and a timeout of 1 minute
>> 30 seconds, which is exhausted. So everyt time I shut down I get a 1
>> minute and 30 seconds delay.
>>
>> Anyone can help, please?
>
> Do you have any network filesystems mounted? I've found that systemd
> takes down the network connections before it unmounts disks, so if I
> forget to unmount them before shutting down I get this delay.


Mine hangs because it's shutting down Firefox (Nightly from their
website these days).

Just as example, if I log out then log back in and run "ps aux|grep
firefox" after logouts that take a long time, there will most likely
be a long list of associated PIDs still in operation. If I try to
launch Firefox at that moment, it will most likely fail with an
advisement that a Firefox instance is already running. If I wait a few
more seconds then try again, Firefox will FINALLY have shut down the
rest of the way.

It's been ages since I first realized that was occurring. It was an
eye opener into that there's still a lot to learn about how operating
systems and their packages work under the hood. :)

Cindy :)
-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

Re: /etc/adjtime (setting the hardware clock to local time on Debian 11)

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 2/11/22, Anssi Saari  wrote:
> José Luis González  writes:
>
>> According to
>>
>> https://wiki.debian.org/DateTime
>>
>> There should be an /etc/adjtime file to configure the timezone for the
>> hardware clock. I have no such file in my Debian 11 laptop. May I know
>> if the file was removed and what was it replaced with?
>
> >From what I can tell, it's created by hwclock. If you run hwclock --set
> it should be created. Possibly you can also run
>
> timedatectl set-local-rtc 0
>
> but I don't know if that works if the file doesn't exist.
>
>> I just want to set the hardware clock to local time since this machine
>> is shared with Windows and the clock is actually local time.
>
> You might consider telling Windows to use UTC as well. For example here:
> https://feldspaten.org/2019/11/03/windows-10-clock-in-utc/


I debootstrap** Debian for those times I need a new installation.
These were the instructions I'd been using up until last time (maybe a
year ago):

https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/apds03.html.en#idm4468

Basically that says;

=== BEGIN SNIPPET

# editor /etc/adjtime

Populate that with:

0.0 0 0.0
0
UTC

To configure timezone;

# dpkg-reconfigure tzdata

=== END SNIPPET

During debootstrap, the /etc/adjtime file doesn't exist until that
step is run, but it's also a brand new install that hasn't been booted
a first time yet.

That manually created file then works flawlessly for me here, but my
needs are simple. I think the hardware clock is set to UTC, by the
way.

Cindy :)

** N.B. Debootstrap was priceless as a method of installing Linux on
dialup Internet connections.. in case that still helps anyone else.
-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

Re: Captive Portal Alternatives (Was: Re: miracle of Firefox in the hotel)

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 2/13/22, Brian  wrote:
> On Sun 13 Feb 2022 at 16:02:53 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Feb 13, 2022 at 02:41:31PM +0100, Linux-Fan wrote:
>> > Brian writes:
>> >
>> > > On Sat 12 Feb 2022 at 21:07:10 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>> >
>> > [...]
>> >
>> > > > This is Firefox's captive portal [1] detection [2].
>> > > >
>> > > > Cheers
>> > > >
>> > > > [1] Had I a say in it, I'd reserve a very special place in Hell
>> > > >for those.
>> > >
>> > > Could the process to replace them on, say, public transport be
>> > > outlined?
>> >
>> > [...]
>> >
>> > It highly depends on your jurisdiction and other regulatory
>> > requirements
>> > thus I gather there is no comprehensive answer to this question.
>> >
>> > Alternatives could be any of the following:
>> >
>> > * Not using a captive portal at all i.e. having just a free WiFi
>> >   for everyone near enough to receive the radio signal.
>> >
>> > * Using WPA Enterprise (RADIUS) to have users login without any
>> >   website but directly as part of joining the network. This works
>> >   for very large networks, too. E.g. the `eduroam` common in some
>> >   universities can be accessed from any of the participating
>> >   universities' accounts by just entering their campus e-mail address
>> >   for login.
>> >
>> > * RFC8910 - Captive-Portal Identification in DHCP and Router
>> >   Advertisements (RAs). I never never heard of it before searching
>> >   for “Alternatives to captive portals wifi” online :)
>>
>> * Joining a local initiative providing free connectivity (and, of
>>   course, lobbying your local policy makers that this be legal;
>>   the very idea of providing free stuff tends to be suspect).
>>
>> Freifunk [1] is one successful example.
>
> Interesting.
>
> Captive portals provide free connectivity. What's the problem?


I almost responded to this thread yesterday to say, "Shudder!"

My thought process was that it seems like it might be pretty easy for
perps hovering out in a parking lot or maybe a nearby building to
create a fake captive portal that resembles what users would be
expecting to see from the, yes, FREE Internet provider.

That would only be possible if this is working like I'm imagining is
being described here. That imagination involves a webpage such as what
I once encountered popping up unexpectedly while trying to access WIFI
through a local grocery store a few years ago.

Cindy :)
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Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

Re: cinnamon - slow boot up times

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 2/15/22, Thomas Anderson  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have Bullseye installed on an SSD, it boots up fast as expected up
> until the login screen.
>
> I enter my login credentials...then, queue the music...just a darker
> screen (not pitch black, flickering, or anything bad)
>
> 42 seconds later I get my desktop.


For what it's worth in comparing apples and oranges, I use XFCE4 and
that's about how long it takes here, too. Just have never set a timer
to it. It's been doing that for quite a while.

The difference is mine actually makes it into the desktop first. Then
it takes its sweet time depending on the requests I make of it.
Sometimes I can close the first couple packages I have it load at
startup (Mousepad and Thunar). Sometimes it takes a few seconds before
they respond.

Trying to click the Applications menu is a similar hit and miss until
after that maybe 40 seconds or so time span passes. Likewise with the
eventual disappearance of the "timer" or "throbber" that's visually
indicating something resource heavy is occurring in the background.

Our two experiences may be completely unrelated. Then again, maybe
what we're each seeing is due to the priority each desktop gives to
what they load first. Seeing that dark screen would seem the more
distressing of the two because a User's not sure if the system's going
to load or not until the first of the GUI eventually pops up on the
screen.


> I do have a Cinnamon desktop environment with a custom theme setup...but
> still, 42 seconds? Can that be right? I have thought about using Mint,
> but I have been using Debian for 20 years, see no reason to change now.
> If need be, I will wait 42 seconds.


I've tried Mint a few times. It's a no from me because it won't let me
uninstall GRUB without destroying the entire operating system in the
process. The releases I've test driven won't uninstall GRUB without
auto-uninstalling a massive amount of important packages.

That's about User CHOICE, my preference being to try to use anything
except GRUB. That CHOICE is non-existent in this case.

Cindy :)
-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

Re: Misremembered

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 2/16/22, Andrew M.A. Cater  wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 06:45:15PM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
>> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 5:59:37 PM EST Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> > > Yes, "infected" floppy disks were a thing.  There really wasn't any
>> > > way to make money off viruses, though.
>> >
>> > I think McAffe would disagree.
>> >
>> Sorry, but that spammer is so disagreable that he would yell insults at
>> the guy in the mirror, he is hitting my inbox 4-6 times a day with msgs
>> that insult my inteligence because I haven't renewed a service I've never
>>
>> had nor needed.  And its been going on for months.
>> > .
>
> "That spammer" has been dead for a while, I think. You've just got some
> random spam advertising anti-virus products to you. Block it/ignore it
> and carry on? Probably going off-topic for debian-user if we rant
> about spam too much :)


Pretty funny that I saved my draft of a similar thought process at the
same time yours hit the list. I was just checking my email archives
for those very same SPAM emails before sending.

It might or might not be about Debian-User in that case. The ones I'm
receiving are strangely targeted. They're being addressed to my first
name at AOL. I had a-sumed they were from a particular genre of
(unreciprocated) followers out on social media, but maybe they came
from us posting on here, too. That was a topic on here a while back.

That first name at AOL occasionally changes to something other than my
own. On too regular an occasion, it becomes a relative's first name,
instead. That potentially hints at some heavy duty online stalking
being perped in the name of obvious phishing.

Please be safe out there.

Cindy :)
-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

Re: about 10th new install of bullseye

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 2/18/22, Felix Miata  wrote:
> David Wright composed on 2022-02-18 14:19 (UTC-0600):
>
>> On Fri 18 Feb 2022 at 09:15:50 (-0800), Gene Heskett wrote:
>
>>> Two problems:
>
>>> terminals went funkity late tuesday, spent Wed-Thu trying to reboot,
>>> would not go beyond the 15 second mark rebooting. Finally ran the net
>>> installer in rescue mode, copied my 122gb /home dir, on a 1.9T raid10 to
>>> a different drive and reinstalled, then copied it back, but kmail refuses
>>> to use the copied back data so I'm using FF to post this.
>
>> No idea what funkity means,
>
> nuts, cuckoo, fubar, whacky, loopy aka abnormal
>
>> nor what is significant about 15 seconds
>> when booting.
>
> Boot messages scroll on vtty 1 normally for about 15 seconds, then quit.


That's what I understood, too. Mine's occasionally doing something
like that. It seems to be tied to CPU temperatures (overheating).

It's really kind of weird. It's for that first few seconds of booting
where it's running through a checkup before those boot messages begin
appearing. When mine keeps flicking off like that, fanning it with a
piece of paper gets it past that hump then it doesn't do it again.
It's like something in the first stage is pushing the CPUs hard then
it backs off once those messages start scrolling.

That presents a detail that's not clear on Gene's case. Is the
computer just stopping and standing at that screen, or is it shutting
off? Mine shuts off. This might be an apples and oranges thing where I
typed a bunch of noise. :)

Cindy :)
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Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

Re: After Feb 24 update my X11/KDE stopped working (can't log in). (using debian testing)

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 2/25/22, Karel Gardas  wrote:
> On 2/25/22 13:29, Christian Britz wrote:
>> Hello Karel,
>>
>> please try it with a temporary clean profile.
>>
>
> thanks for the idea, indeed after creating a random new and clean user
> and attempt to log into the Plasma (X11) session I went in well.
>
> On my problematic user I tried to rename some .cache and .config dirs to
> remove possibility of corrupted config but this still does not help.
>
> Do you have any idea where everywhere KDE stores its bits of data? Ref
> to web page describing this will be enough so I can debug the issue and
> find the culprit behind this issue...


When I'd encounter something like this, one of the things that worked
for me was to rename (dot)Xauthority in the user's home directory. My
memory is that the file would be recreated during a (FINALLY)
successful login.

If that doesn't work, how I tripped over that was by going into the
file manager (Thunar in XFCE4) and sorting files by newest modified
dates. That hinted at what files might have been most recently touched
and thus might be a possible culprit.

Good luck!

Cindy :)
-- 
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

Re: Hibernate on a Lenovo IdeaPad Yoga 13: XFCE problem?

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 2/25/22, Charles Curley  wrote:
> The appears to not offer hibernate. Neither hibernate nor hybrid sleep
> are available in the logout menu. Calling an XFCE command to hibernate
> ("xfce4-session-logout --hibernate") does nothing. Suspend is available
> and works.


Mine's XFCE4 on Bookworm. It has hibernate, but I don't immediately
see any references to hybrid sleep. For mine, hibernate is under:

Applications (desktop menu) > Settings > Power Manager > General (tab)

Power Manager offers Suspend, Hibernate, and Shutdown combinations
that (should allegedly) take effect when Users push the power, sleep,
hibernate, and battery buttons.

Am feeling safe in assuming that "xfce4-power-manager" is the package
that provides those. That's brought in automatically when I manually
install "xfce4" and "xfce4-goodies" during each debootstrap
installation.

Regarding "xfce4-session-logout --hibernate", I haven't tried it
because I've got a large session running right now. BUT it's offered
as an option when viewing "man xfce4-session-logout".

Ooh, and you know, there's "xfce4-session-logout --hybrid-sleep" as an
option, too.

The fact that it's not working for you makes me wonder: Do you have a
screensaver installed? It wasn't too long ago that I mentioned here
that I've encountered ongoing conflicts between screensavers and power
managers.

The poverty level decision was to skip screensavers to help put a dent
in the electric bill. I miss screensavers because they're
entertaining. I also appreciate each individual's creativity that goes
into dreaming them up. Thank you, Developers! :)

Cindy :)
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Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

Re: strange boot messages

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 2/27/22, Michael Grant  wrote:
> I'm running Debian 11.2 stable on a Linode (a popular VPS).  After a recent
> update, I think from
> around 25th of January, I'm starting to see some strange messages in
> my logs:
>
> systemd[1]: First Boot Complete was skipped because of a failed condition
> check (ConditionFirstBoot=yes).
>
> systemd[1]: getty on tty2-tty6 if dbus and logind are not available was
> skipped because of a failed condition check
> (ConditionPathExists=!/usr/bin/dbus-daemon).
>
> systemd[1]: Platform Persistent Storage Archival was skipped because of a
> failed condition check (ConditionDirectoryNotEmpty=/sys/fs/pstore).
>
> systemd[1]: Set Up Additional Binary Formats was skipped because all trigger
> condition checks failed.
>
> systemd[1]: Store a System Token in an EFI Variable was skipped because of a
> failed condition check
> (ConditionPathExists=/sys/firmware/efi/efivars/LoaderFeatures-4a67b082-0a4c-41cf-b6c7-440b29bb8c4f).
>
> systemd-udevd[277]: Network interface NamePolicy= disabled on kernel command
> line, ignoring.
>
> systemd[1]: fast remote file copy program daemon was skipped because of a
> failed condition check (ConditionPathExists=/etc/rsyncd.conf).
>
>
> Are these just informational or are these problems I need to fix?  I
> did some searching but couldn't find much.
>
> Please CC me, I'm not currently on the list.


I can't answer that, but I can share in this curiosity from within
Bookworm. Goes back to 2022.02.20 for one partition and 2022.02.14 for
the other Bookworm partition.

The /var/log/sys* variants date back further than that which is
notable since yours starting appearing even earlier. Our date
difference could somehow be about the releases that we're each using.
The date differences for mine stand out since both partitions are
updated basically daily per each with minimal difference in the
packages affected each day, mostly just libreoffice as the difference.

Grepping dmesg for "skipped" found these:

systemd[1]: File System Check on Root Device was skipped because of a
failed condition check
(ConditionPathExists=!/run/initramfs/fsck-root).
systemd[1]: Repartition Root Disk was skipped because all trigger
condition checks failed.

Grepping /var/log/sys* for "skipped" shows that I likely received
most, if not all, of the other ones you shared here.

System is running, but it makes one wonder what might run even
smoother if those weren't appearing. I'm not seeing a glaring "E" or
"error" so there's that comfort. That word "failed" is interesting,
but maybe it just means we have defaults set that are intended to
speed up booting or something?

Or not.

Cindy :)
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Re: Monitor (screen) move without human action

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 3/4/22, Marcelo Laia  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Monitor (screen) of my Notebook Inspiron 15 I15-5547-A20 move and click
> randomly without an human action.
>
> Here is a video https://youtu.be/y2RIZnx_4HY
>
> What could be?


Hi.. I don't have an answer, it's a question, instead. To help others
who will look at this, are you moving your cursor (pointer) around, or
is that moving by itself, too? I'm just wondering if what's happening
is somehow triggered by the mouse (or touchpad) action.

For a few seconds there, it felt like the resolution was bouncing around...

Cindy :)
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Re: apt-key deprecation.

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 3/5/22, Erwan David  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> When I update my packages I get the warning :
>
> W:
> https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/dists/buster/InRelease:
> Key is stored in legacy trusted.gpg keyring (/etc/apt/trusted.gpg), see
> the DEPRECATION section in apt-key(8) for details.
>
> I looked at section DEPRECATION in apt-key, but did not find how I can
> extract those keys from /etc/apt/trusted.gpg and put them in trusted.gpg.d
>
> What would be the easier way ?


My apologies if you personally already know what I'm about to write.
Am still posting for potential newbies visiting the archives.

While you're waiting on the answer that corrects this, I needed to fix
two of mine, too. I took your query as my sign to follow through.
First up is this explanation that might easily play into what's going
on:

https://askubuntu.com/questions/1286545/what-commands-exactly-should-replace-the-deprecated-apt-key

Even if it's not directly related to the change that occurred in that
very recent Debian package upgrade, it's still important to always
have in mind. It's relevant because, however you and I and all others
affected correct this warning, we need to know that one factor is our
CHOICE as to how far we trust each affected repository. I hadn't
really thought that far ahead about it until seeing that in writing.

For me, I trust the two repositories involved and would grant them
wide open access. Someone else might be pulling from a repository that
allows all kinds of different Developers to add their packages into a
pool. That scenario should cause an admin to cherry pick each
package-specific key added after researching each single key for its
safety as new keys continue to appear over time.

Cindy :)
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Re: evince has died a horrible death. Sob...

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 3/11/22, gene heskett  wrote:
> Thats been the most complete pdf viewer I've ever used. But I just tried
> to look at a doc I have looked at hundreds of times over he last years,
> and it got all upset all over itself, while I was logged into that
> machine with an ssh -Y login.
>
> What its its feature complete replacement in a buster install? This
> machine is bullseye, the logged into machine is buster.


Thinking out loud.. Did you try a different PDF file to make sure it's
not just one suddenly corrupt file instead of being evince?

Personally, I use Atril on XFCE4, but all I've ever done is read
files. I follow Atril's Github that was active in the last few weeks:

https://github.com/mate-desktop/atril/

Important to note for some users is that I occasionally see requests
for useful features that apparently Atril might not do while other
packages do.

Cindy :)
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Re: Claws-mail Address Book Bug?

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 3/12/22, Brad Rogers  wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 09:19:52 +1100
> Charlie  wrote:
>
>>  Discovered that when I looked for the mailing list on the net.
>>  I dare not say googled because there is some controversy about
>
> IKWYM, but in most circles that word is still the 'go to' one as the verb
> for "use a search engine"


I remember very early on where there was at least one headline that
said Google was considering court action over the use of its name as a
verb (copyright, trademark, etc):

https://blogs.illinois.edu/view/25/589

That never made sense because being repetitively used as a common verb
meant they had arrived, were mainstream at least with tech folks, and
received free publicity every time it occurred.

Cindy :)
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Re: packages built with golang

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 3/15/22, Dan Ritter  wrote:
> Cousin Stanley wrote:
>> Cousin Stanley wrote :
>> > The data is already on your system, so
>> > there's no transmission happening.
>>
>>   I do  not  understand this.
> ...
>
>>   Does the Debian package manager
>>   really download package information
>>   for  all  ~59,000  avaiilabel packages
>>   in anticipation that users will need it
>>   at sometime in the future ?
>>
>>   That would be suprising to me.
>
> Now you are surprised, and informed.


My linux-image-amd64 upgrade got mangled the other day so I was in
"man apt-get" and apt-cache looking for ways to coerce success (beyond
apt's recommended "dpkg --configure -a"). Found this and had intended
to eventually post here anyway:

apt-cache stats

Thought it might prove of interest for others, too, with respect to
seeing real numbers about the amazing volume of packages all
interacting together under Debian's hood. Concerning this thread, the
multi-megabyte sizes of the files under /var/lib/apt/lists reflect the
package numbers found via "apt-cache stats". I can still remember my
first ah-ha moment upon opening up one of those files and peeking in
out of curiosity years ago..

Cindy :)
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Re: recommend music player?

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 3/16/22, Alexander V. Makartsev  wrote:
> On 16.03.2022 22:54, kaye n wrote:
>> Hello Friends!
>>
>> I am currently using Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)
>>
>> Can anyone recommend a good music player with an equalizer where I can
>> choose Pop, Rock, etc.
>>
>> Thank you!
> That could be "Qmmp". It looks and function like an old-school WinAmp.


That's what I was going to say.. along with qmmp-plugin-projectm
thrown in for fun.

With respect to pop v. rock, etc, I remember using something that
distinguished the equalizer in that way. QMMP's does not have that
look outright. BUT I just quick clicked and can see words like "Load",
"Save", and "Import" under "Presets" so there may be a way to find a
friendly setting then keep and recall it for use over time.

Cindy :)
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Re: Debian DSA-5095-1 : linux - security update

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 3/17/22, Peter Wienemann  wrote:
>
> You can check its status using
>
> dpkg -l linux-headers-amd64


That has interesting feedback. I've been using the following for a
slightly different trek toward a similar end (includes what mine says
right now):

$ apt-cache policy linux-headers-amd64
linux-headers-amd64:
  Installed: 5.16.12-1
  Candidate: 5.16.12-1
  Version table:
 5.17~rc8-1~exp1 1
  1 http://deb.debian.org/debian experimental/main amd64 Packages
 *** 5.16.12-1 500
500 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

Being able to compare the Installed versus Candidate fields has been
cognitively friendly as a checkpoint for my style of user generated...
issues. :D

For newer users, the various versions under "Version table" reflect
that I use "bookworm bookworm-updates experimental" as the "Suites" in
my debian.sources** file. Version table's nice to see because that
data is a constant reminder to think ahead about developing toward the
Future.

IMPORTANT: It's highly recommended that we avoid experimental. It's
just that that's the only place I can find wicd-curses. Thank you for
wicd-curses still being there, Developers! That's a priceless package.
:)

** debian-sources goes under sources.list.d as an alternative to
sources.list. It was a momentarily seen talking point under something
like "man sources.list" at some point in my own personal Debian
adventures.

Cindy :)
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Re: update, reboot required?

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 3/19/22, Greg Wooledge  wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 10:55:03AM +0100, Toni Mas Soler wrote:
>> I restart Dbus from time to time. Actually, I stop Dbus if i don't
>> need, that is when I do not use X (almost allways).
>> Do you mean my action is not effective?
>
> The fact that you're "almost always" not using X is probably relevant
> here.
>
> See
> 
> for some discussion.  Or just google "cannot restart dbus" as I did
> to find many more such discussions.
>
> My own knowledge of the topic came mainly from reading the output
> of apt-get as it was upgrading dbus, and telling me that I would have
> to reboot, because it can't restart dbus by itself.
>
> I don't know why other people aren't reading that output.


I've wondered that same thing as I watch messages scroll by (when I
happen to have not looked away from the terminal). Some upgrades have
all kinds of advisories tucked into that scrolling that rips by.

Unattended upgrades always come to mind as a place for where those
messages would go unseen. It has also come to mind that users have
admin emails sent to them as a potential remedy. It's on my to-do to
play around with those emails to see if that catches those upgrade
messages..

PS I've seen those dbus ones rip by. Seems like I played with
restarting something related in just the last couple weeks. I don't
remember the experience feeling very successful. :D

Cindy :)
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Re: Predictable Network Interface Names

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 3/30/22, Dan Ritter  wrote:
> Greg Wooledge wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 30, 2022 at 07:18:07PM +0100, Brian wrote:
>> > That's good advice, but are MAC addresses memorable?
>>
>> Doesn't matter.  You can choose a memorable name.  The MAC address is
>> simply the data point you place in the config file, so the system knows
>> this is the interface you're talking about.
>>
>> unicorn:~$ cat /etc/systemd/network/10-lan0.link
>> [Match]
>> MACAddress=18:60:24:77:5c:ec
>>
>> [Link]
>> Name=lan0
>>
>> That's what I'm using.  Of course, this relies on the MAC address being
>> consistent across boots.  I've heard of some cases where this isn't
>> true, but I believe those cases involved removable devices (USB network
>> interfaces or similar).
>
> Some NICs can have their MAC addresses changed permanently.
>
> There were at least a few terrible NICs in history where an
> entire production run got the same MAC address assigned.
>
> Most NICs can have their MAC addresses reassigned after boot,
> which will almost always be reset on next power cycle.
>
> lan0 is a good name. I like names like "internal" and "dmz" and  "internet"
> or "cogent" and "level3" -- either functional descriptors or
> where their other ends are connected.


macchanger.. I tried it a couple years ago for some forgotten reason.
I think it was when the names first started changing on us, and I was
trying to take control of the situation. I remember it working and
then not working. Can't remember now why I gave up on it. Thankfully
things have ironed out some since so it hasn't been needed in my usage
case.

>From "apt-cache show," it seems to reference the same vendor MAC
duplication instances (Point #4):

Features:
 .
   * set specific MAC address of a network interface
   * set the MAC randomly
   * set a MAC of another vendor
   * set another MAC of the same vendor
   * set a MAC of the same kind (eg: wireless card)
   * display a vendor MAC list (today, 6200 items) to choose from

Afterthought, my problems eased up after I figured out I could grep
dmesg for "renamed from" and plug that result into where I needed the
name. Tripped over that by accident. Might have started out grepping
for eth0, maybe.

Have fun!

Cindy :)
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Re: fluxbox partial installation (SOLVED)

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 4/2/22, Haines Brown  wrote:
>
> Thank you. The problem turned out to be that my hostname somehow
> changed. It was originally  but then it became
> -10.  The only way I can account for this is my senility
> (87).


This is my third email attempt at this. I started to say that sounds
odd. I initially wandered off on a tangent about partition labels
doing that to me within Thunar file manager.

THEN I remembered that Puppy Linux CDs revolve the hostname's value.
Maybe that's what is going on here? My searches for a how-to aren't
fruitful and are only being shown how to create a dynamic DNS server
and IP address.

As an unrelated aside, I think I just figured out one way that
people's emails don't always show up in the archives nor on the list.
I had deleted this thread's "reply to" email addresses so I didn't
accidentally send too early. Then I saved my response and walked away.

When I came back, I wanted to see if anyone else had an answer before
I tweaked mine and sent it. At that point, Gmail has your draft
sitting in a little box underneath the email you're targeting.

I finished my original response sitting in that box and sent it. When
I next deleted Haines' original email, my leftover suddenly didn't
have a filing label on it. That's because it only went to me and not
to Debian-User. When I hit "reply to all" to test it, the fields were
blank. That was the ah-ha moment.

Hope that made sense such that the next time someone's email
disappears, maybe that scenario can be checked off their list, too.
Just try hitting "reply to all" on the one that disappeared and see
what happens.

Cindy :)
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Re: Problem downloading "Installation Guide for 64-bit PC (amd64)"

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 4/7/22, Richard Owlett  wrote:
> I need a *HTML* copy of "Installation Guide for 64-bit PC (amd64)" for
> *OFFLINE* use.
>
> The HTML links on [https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual]
> lead *ONLY* to Page 1.
>
> Is the complete document downloadable as a single HTML file?


Have you seen the "installation-guide-amd64" package in Debian's
repositories? I'd never seen it before. Stumbled upon it about a month
ago. I just launched it, and it looks similar to what's on your page
there, just for Bookworm instead of Bullseye for me. Mine doesn't have
that opening "Welcome" chapter, but there are all kinds of references
to how to install throughout the rest of it.

Hope that helps someone, anyway.

Cindy :)
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Re: Problem downloading "Installation Guide for 64-bit PC (amd64)"

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 4/7/22, Cindy Sue Causey  wrote:
> On 4/7/22, Richard Owlett  wrote:
>> I need a *HTML* copy of "Installation Guide for 64-bit PC (amd64)" for
>> *OFFLINE* use.
>>
>> The HTML links on [https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual]
>> lead *ONLY* to Page 1.
>>
>> Is the complete document downloadable as a single HTML file?
>
>
> Have you seen the "installation-guide-amd64" package in Debian's
> repositories? I'd never seen it before. Stumbled upon it about a month
> ago. I just launched it, and it looks similar to what's on your page
> there, just for Bookworm instead of Bullseye for me. Mine doesn't have
> that opening "Welcome" chapter, but there are all kinds of references
> to how to install throughout the rest of it.

I went back and looked at my copy some more. It also doesn't (?)
present that handy part about prerequisites. If that's something
that's also needed, I took a hint from wayback-machine-downloader [0]
and tried searching apt-get's repositories for similar. Ended up with
"webhttrack" which says:

"Description-en: Copy websites to your computer, httrack with a Web interface
 WebHTTrack is an offline browser utility, allowing you to download a World
 Wide website from the Internet to a local directory, building recursively
 all directories, getting html, images, and other files from the server to
 your computer, using a step-by-step web interface.
 .
 WebHTTrack arranges the original site's relative link-structure. Simply
 open a page of the "mirrored" website in your browser, and you can
 browse the site from link to link, as if you were viewing it online.
 HTTrack can also update an existing mirrored site, and resume
 interrupted downloads. WebHTTrack is fully configurable, and has an
 integrated help system."

One issue would be for those websites that use hard (full, long) links
instead of the relative ones. I just viewed your online link's source
code, and the links, thankfully, appear to be relative. Thank you,
Debian Developers!

PS Looking one more time at WebHTTrack's self-description, fingers
crossed that maybe it creates relative links as it works its magic,
regardless of what the original website's webmaster did. THAT would
nice!

Cindy :)

[0] https://github.com/hartator/wayback-machine-downloader

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Re: Libreoffice: printing "dirties" the file being printed

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 4/7/22, Gareth Evans  wrote:
> On Thu  7 Apr 2022, at 09:58, Jonathan Dowland 
> wrote:
>> On Sat, Apr 02, 2022 at 07:08:11PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
>>>Tools menu/Options - General; 'Printing sets "document modified" status'
>>
>
>> Does anyone have any insight into why this is an option? More
>> specifically, what reason would anyone want to have their document
>> marked as modified because they printed it?
>
> I wondered about that too and looked into it.  I now can't find the
> references I found, either in my browser history or by re-searching, but
> iirc, Apple[-related] and LibreOffice forum posts suggested it's to do
> with:
>
> LO:  MS Word does it, so LO does it / because fields in the document may be
> automatically updated prior to printing


Just poking my nose in to say that syslog might be an example of that.
That's speaking from the annoying firsthand experience of having
something like /var/log/syslog loaded in the Mousepad text editor. It
will keep announcing that the content changed behind the scenes so do
I want to refresh to view that newest addition (or some similar
advisement).

Cindy :)
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Re: Debian 9 Xfce intermittent keyboard and mouse erratic behavior or lockup

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 4/20/22, Dieter Rohlfing  wrote:
> Am Wed, 20 Apr 2022 00:43:35 -0700
> schrieb David Christensen :
>
>>I have been experiencing intermittent storms of random keyboard and
>>mouse GUI events over the past year or more:
>
> Same for me.
>
> System is Debian 9.13 (kernel 4.19.0-0.bpo.19-amd64, XFCE desktop) running
> on an ASRock DeskMini H110M.
>
> I'm running this combination with several hosts, but the storm only
> appears with the ASRock PC. Even with another mouse and keyboard the
> symptoms remain. So I think the storm mainly depends on the bare host and
> not on the peripheral components.


"Sticky keys", an accessibility feature, come to mind as needing to be
ruled out. I've accidentally triggered mine multiple times over the
last couple of years. To this day, I have no idea what combination of
keys I'm hitting that does it. I'll just see a 2-second flash of an
onscreen notification that they've been triggered on... again.


> At the moment I'm tinkering with the C-states. I disabled C6 and C7 in the
> BIOS and added the following options to the kernel command line:
>
>> processor.max_cstate=3 intel_idle.max_cstate=3
>
> Because the symptoms appear randomly, I can't say anything about a
> possible solution. I'll continue watching and will report, when I have any
> news.


I've also occasionally experienced erratic behavior that's hardware
caused by two different, unrelated instances. One has been that my
laptop keys are, for example, worn out and/or overheating and
"sticking" as though permanently depressed (being physically held
down).

The erratic appearance of this particular behavior will occur when I'm
typing out posts or whatever and incidentally hit a declared hotkey
that becomes triggered because e.g. the likewise declared CTRL key is
physically stuck in the ON position. This scenario occurs because I
have to buy old equipment that eventually overheats and causes things
like the onboard keyboard to inevitably have a limited lifetime
expectancy based meltdown.

The secondary cause for seemingly erratic behavior is easier to fix.
It's when the dogs or I are somehow leaning on any of my mouse's
buttons. That will occur sometimes when I've set the mouse down to the
side and am using a laptop's touchpad, instead. The mouse and the
touchpad will end up conflicting with each other over which one has
control of the situation.

XFCE4 just coincidentally happens to be what I'm using for the above.
My guess is that, since my situations are hardware based, they would
likely occur regardless of what desktop environment happens to be in
use at the time.

Cindy :)
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Re: no update possible

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 5/3/22, Peter Ehlert  wrote:
>
> On 5/3/22 06:29, Schwibinger Michael wrote:
>> Good afternoon
>>
>> Thank You
>>
>> Terminal
>> and root terminal do say
>>
>> command not found.
>
> please post Exactly what the command is that you entered
>
>
> and Exactly what the error message is
>
>
> *copy and paste please


Once in a while.. and this is one of those times.. I think it would be
nice to see a screen capture (screencast) done. Unfortunately, finding
a safe, universally trustworthy place to post it for all to view is
likely a deal breaker for some users relative to their geographical
location.

Cindy :)
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Re: Disable connections to Internet without user's consent

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 5/17/22, Dan Ritter  wrote:
> Andrea Monaco wrote:
>>
>> I wonder all the ways a standard installation and configuration connects
>> to the Internet without the user's consent, and how to disable it.
>>
>> I can think of the automatic check for updates and the automatic
>> security updates.  Any other?  Is there a manual page that lists all of
>> them?
>
> Neither one of those is automatic. Someone with root privileges
> needs to install a package like apticron to get that.
>
> I believe, but have not confirmed: if you install a base Debian
> stable system, no extra packages, it will not initiate any
> connection without user action.
>
> An interface configured to use DHCP would ask for a new one on
> lease expiration.


What about popularity-contest? Regardless of whether it fits in here,
am hoping it maybe triggers thoughts of other packages that quietly
phone home.

As fast as I typed that, I remembered something I experienced a number
of years ago. Certain screensavers used to pull from websites without
my initial knowledge. I don't know how I eventually tripped over the
fact that they did, but it was a momentarily frightening discovery. It
was one of those times that TRUST in Debian Developers' thorough
testing of packages came consciously to mind.

Upon still more reflection, I was on dialup at the time. Maybe I was
offline, and the screensaver some error message that it couldn't
connect to the website.. or it just flat out failed.. or something.
Very odd, scary moment in all this. That TRUST kept things
copacetic... :)

Cindy :)
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Re: Debian desktop environment

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 5/28/22, Thomas Schmitt  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Brian wrote:
>> > Careful! If you go on like this you will end up installing bullseye :).
>
> Keith Bainbridge wrote:
>> Bookworm?
>> SID?
>
> In any case: Not Testing !
>
> Currently a zillion of packages get marked for autoremovial from Testing
> because of
>   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1011268


Yeehaw to that! About 3 mornings ago, I woke up to 71 emails
containing the "marked for autoremoval" advisement. All appear to be
tied to accessibility (A11Y). Have mercy, it's all the bigger chat
topics: edbrowse, espeakup, fenrir, *orca*. I've NEVER seen that
quantity before and especially not those packages, but that's likely
just because of which lists I follow.

Cindy :)
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Re: debian-user message size limit

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 6/17/22, Gareth Evans  wrote:
> Is there a limit for message size on debian-user?
>
> I can't find any such info on
>
> https://lists.debian.org/
>
> https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/
>
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/
>
> but a couple of recent large-ish messages (one ~270K with two screenshots,
> one 70K with log output) have neither got through nor bounced back.
>
> It would be helpful to know what it is if there is one.


I don't know if there's a list size limit or not, but maybe your
submission is sitting in moderation because it's not the norm?

As an alternative, list members have previously hosted their images on
trustworthy image hosts. I'm out of touch with what might qualify as
that these days, though.

Similar has been done for large text files, too. Pastebin type hosts
fit that need. In fact, Debian had a version of it for its own
packages not too long ago.

The caveat for either of the above is that there's often a
self-destruct mode that is based on either time length or click views.
That's understandably about wear and tear on the host's server(s).

Best wishes on what you're trying to fix.

Cindy :)
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Re: Is there an easy way to get the latest version number of a source package that is available?

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 6/27/22, Roberto C. Sánchez  wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 03:31:01PM +0100, Tim Woodall wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> apt-get --only-source --download-only source 
>>
>> will download the latest version of the source package.
>>
>> Is there a one liner that will give me the version of the package
>> (including the epoch) without downloading the package and parsing the
>> dsc?
>>
> If you are not opposed to installing the devscripts package, then you
> can do this:
>
> $ rmadison -u debian -a source -s unstable firefox-esr
> firefox-esr | 91.10.0esr-1  | unstable   | source


DISCLAIMER: I do understand this is about the source packages. I've
never thought about whether or not they ever differentiate from our
debs. Having just run "apt-cache policy", I do see the difference that
can arise.

My search into this went off into a tangent that ended up at..

/usr/share/bash-completion/completions/apt-cache

That has a line that includes:

if [[ ${words[ispecial]} ==
@(add|depends|dotty|madison|policy|rdepends|show?(pkg|src|)) ]]; then

So next I hit up "man apt-cache" to see if man showed how to choose
src over pkg. I didn't get there because "apt-cache showsrc" popped up
first. Ran it to see its output then ended up with...

$ apt-cache showsrc firefox-esr|grep Vers
Version: 91.10.0esr-1
Standards-Version: 3.9.8.0

For the package policy based on last time a system ran "apt-get
update", it could be:

$ apt-cache policy firefox-esr|grep C
  Candidate: 91.10.0esr-1

Those just happened to match. My original sample was einstein. Version
and Candidate outputs are different for him. At this second, they are
Version 2.0.dfsg.2-10 versus Candidate 2.0.dfsg.2-10+b1.

That just shows it is capable of plucking out the difference in those.
I usually miss something obvious that negates anything I typed so my
apologies in advance if and when I did here. :)

Hope that helps somehow. Maybe the output from showsrc might be fun to
look at for distraction or something

Cindy :)
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Re: Stop XFCE saving the state?

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 7/5/22, Ash Joubert  wrote:
> On 06/07/2022 10:53, John Conover wrote:
>> How to stop XFCE saving the state when logging out of Bullseye XFCE?
>
> Uncheck the box "Applications (XFCE X with mouse icon) / Setting /
> Session and Startup / Logout Settings / Automatically save session on
> logout". You can also adjust your session autostart programs.


There's also a place to toggle something on and off if you get a GUI
window when you click logout in the Applications menu. I'm using LXQt
right now so I logged out and went into XFCE4 to verify what I'd seen
in the past.

There's a checkbox and something very close to "Save session for
future logins" at the bottom of mine. I accidentally clicked it and
triggered it on a long time ago so I know it can be easily overlooked
when we're focused on things we've done a thousand times.

As a related aside since autostart programs were mentioned. This may
be something for people to research for slow logins. That makes this
thread a total win.

Things were popping up all over the place when I logged into XFCE4. It
doesn't do that in LXQt. I'd say XFCE4 is doing the right thing by
opening everything it finds in a recently altered autostart menu while
LXQt is instead just getting bogged down slowly cherry picking at
login. I've already seen it with something forgotten that wasn't being
found so I blocked it and things started working faster just with that
single change.

Seriously, this thread for the win! I'll bet you all help a lot of
people when we figure out why those two desktop environments are
having these two different reactions at startup. A dedicated partition
for each is a quick fix that many Users don't have the resources to
do.

Cindy :)
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Re: How can I find out why apt-get is keeping a package back?

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 7/10/22, David Wright  wrote:
> On Sun 10 Jul 2022 at 15:24:11 (-0700), L L wrote:
>> How can I find out why apt-get is keeping a package back?
>
> I usually look at the output of  apt-cache show .

I accidentally stumbled upon that I can "apt-get upgrade "
and see what is likely the trigger for held packages. For me, it
always hesitates and waits for approval. Most often, packages I've
seen are being held back because of an upgrade to the next versioning
plateau or because completely brand new packages are being installed
along with.

Being able to "-s" simulate with apt-get is something I always forget
exists. I just test drove it, and it worked for upgrade in general:

apt-get upgrade -s

There wasn't anything held back this time so I can only assume that
simulate would additionally work for:

apt-get upgrade  -s

That can be run just like that, as regular User instead of root.

Simulation doesn't give the 100% full picture. It might not generate
enough focus on the held package to answer why it's being held. May be
why I don't remember to use it. I played with simulation a couple
times, and it's a cute trick. At the end of the day, though, I just go
straight for the real upgrade. For me so far, that route has been
informative and has worked safely #1 because it doesn't continue until
I hit the ENTER key again. :)

Cindy :)
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Re: Getting rid of backuppc password protection.

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 7/17/22, David Wright  wrote:
> On Sat 16 Jul 2022 at 19:13:25 (-0700), Gary L. Roach wrote:
>> I used apt install to install the standard debian package and used apt
>> purge to uninstall. Further, I used rm -r to clean up the directories
>> that were left. If it helps:
>>
>
> Were I to install backuppc, 21 other packages would arrive with it
> (including Recommends). Did you purge all those too?


Another route I might try if I'd been purging some and "rm -r" others
is to maybe reinstall then "apt get autoremove backuppc". That very
nicely picks out everything that came along with and is no longer
needed if backuppc is removed. I check autoremove's proposed list
carefully each time because some packages will try to remove the
desktop environment, for example.

Using autoremove comes from actually reading my terminal's entire
output when apt-get shows off a list of packages that are no longer
needed after upgrades make them obsolete. :)

Cindy :)
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Re: OT, Recommendation for low cost laptop

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 7/18/22, James H. H. Lampert  wrote:
>>> Another place to look is your local laptop store.  My current laptop,
>>> as well as its predecessor, are refurbished ThinkPads I bought there
>>> for about $300.  They run Linux just fine.
>
> "Local laptop store?"
>
> Not quite sure I've heard of such a thing, at least not recently. My
> Chromebook came from BestBuy.


Maybe it's a small town thing. I actually worked in one and bought
from another in my relatively small county. Both were family owned. I
didn't receive money for working but instead paid off a portion of a
P/C I bought from them ~15 years ago.

There weren't any tech-centric big box stores in any counties nearby
at the time. These days the Internet's ever increasing access has
probably closed more than a few of those quaint little businesses that
are/were competitively priced in spite of their size.

Local Yellow Pages, if you can even find those for free these days,
were where I first learned of the businesses I used.

Cindy :)
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