SCSI bus reset when burning

[Rob Rati]

My scsi bus appears to want to reset everytime I try to burn a CD.  My
dmesg log gets errors like this:

scsi : aborting command due to timeout : pid 232511, scsi0, channel 0,
id 0, lun 0 0x2a 00 00 00 2f e0 00 00 10 00 
(scsi0:0:0:0) Synchronous at 10.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 15.
scsi : aborting command due to timeout : pid 236020, scsi0, channel 0,
id 0, lun 0 0x2a 00 00 00 1f 30 00 00 10 00 
(scsi0:0:0:0) Synchronous at 10.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 15.
scsi : aborting command due to timeout : pid 237829, scsi0, channel 0,
id 0, lun 0 0x2a 00 00 00 08 40 00 00 10 00 
(scsi0:0:0:0) Synchronous at 10.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 15.

Scsi id 0 is my burner, so it appears to be having some kind of
problem.  Does anyone know how to solve this or why the scsi bus wants
to reset?  Any help would be appreciated since I can't burn CDs until
this is figured out.  TIA.

Rob
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X Weirdness

[Andrew McRobert]

hi

I've installed X 3.3.6-6 on my Toshiba Sat Pro 4270 (laptop). The machine
has an S3 Savage card, and I've installed the latest drivers from the s3
site. The server is identifying my machine's video card correctly, and is
not producing any errors on start up ... BUT ... all I get is a blank screen
when I 'startx' ... the output from my X session is as follows:



XFree86 Version 3.3.6 / X Window System
(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6300)
Release Date: January 8 1999
If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer
than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting
problems.  (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ)
Operating System: Linux 2.2.12-20 i686 [ELF]
Configured drivers:
  SVGA: server for SVGA graphics adaptors (Patchlevel 0):
  NV1, STG2000, RIVA 128, RIVA TNT, RIVA TNT2, RIVA ULTRA TNT2,
  RIVA VANTA, RIVA ULTRA VANTA, RIVA INTEGRATED, GeForce 256,
  GeForce DDR, Quadro, ET4000, ET4000W32, ET4000W32i, ET4000W32i_rev_b,
  ET4000W32i_rev_c, ET4000W32p, ET4000W32p_rev_a, ET4000W32p_rev_b,
  ET4000W32p_rev_c, ET4000W32p_rev_d, ET6000, ET6100, et3000, pvga1,
  wd90c00, wd90c10, wd90c30, wd90c24, wd90c31, wd90c33, gvga, r128, ati,
  sis86c201, sis86c202, sis86c205, sis86c215, sis86c225, sis5597,
  sis5598, sis6326, sis530, sis620, sis300, sis630, sis540, tvga8200lx,
  tvga8800cs, tvga8900b, tvga8900c, tvga8900cl, tvga8900d, tvga9000,
  tvga9000i, tvga9100b, tvga9200cxr, tgui9400cxi, tgui9420, tgui9420dgi,
  tgui9430dgi, tgui9440agi, cyber9320, tgui9660, tgui9680, tgui9682,
  tgui9685, cyber9382, cyber9385, cyber9388, cyber9397, cyber9520,
  cyber9525, 3dimage975, 3dimage985, cyber9397dvd, blade3d, cyberblade,
  clgd5420, clgd5422, clgd5424, clgd5426, clgd5428, clgd5429, clgd5430,
  clgd5434, clgd5436, clgd5446, clgd5480, clgd5462, clgd5464, clgd5465,
  clgd6205, clgd6215, clgd6225, clgd6235, clgd7541, clgd7542, clgd7543,
  clgd7548, clgd7555, clgd7556, ncr77c22, ncr77c22e, cpq_avga, mga2064w,
  mga1064sg, mga2164w, mga2164w AGP, mgag200, mgag100, mgag400, oti067,
  oti077, oti087, oti037c, al2101, ali2228, ali2301, ali2302, ali2308,
  ali2401, cl6410, cl6412, cl6420, cl6440, video7, ark1000vl, ark1000pv,
  ark2000pv, ark2000mt, mx, realtek, s3_savage, s3_virge, AP6422, AT24,
  AT3D, s3_svga, NM2070, NM2090, NM2093, NM2097, NM2160, NM2200,
  ct65520, ct65525, ct65530, ct65535, ct65540, ct65545, ct65546,
  ct65548, ct65550, ct65554, ct6, ct68554, ct69000, ct64200,
  ct64300, mediagx, V1000, V2100, V2200, p9100, spc8110, i740, i740_pci,
  Voodoo Banshee, Voodoo3, smi, generic
(using VT number 7)

XF86Config: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XF86Config
(**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values
(**) XKB: rules: "xfree86"
(**) XKB: model: "pc104"
(**) XKB: layout: "us"
(**) XKB: variant: "nodeadkeys"
(**) Mouse: type: IMPS/2, device: /dev/psaux, samplerate: 60
(**) Mouse: buttons: 5
(**) Mouse: zaxismapping: (-)4 (+)5
(**) SVGA: Graphics device ID: "S3 Savage IX/MV"
(**) SVGA: Monitor ID: "Primary-Monitor"
(**) FontPath set to
"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unsca
led,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1,
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc,/usr/X11R6/lib
/X11/fonts/75dpi,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
(--) SVGA: PCI: S3 Savage/IX (Macrovision) rev 17, Memory @ 0xf000
(--) SVGA: SAVAGE: Savage/MX rev 11, Linear FB @ 0xf000
(--) SVGA: Detected S3 Savage/MX
(--) SVGA: using driver for chipset "s3_savage"
(--) SVGA: videoram:  8192k
(--) SVGA: Ramdac speed: 250 MHz
(--) SVGA: Detected current MCLK value of 83.045 MHz
(--) SVGA: VBE Version 2.0
(--) SVGA: BIOS label is "S3 Incorporated. M7 BIOS"
X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).

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IT Officer, School of Law
MURDOCH UNIVERSITY
Ph: 9360 6479
Fax: 9310 6671
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RE: SCSI bus reset when burning

[C. Falconer]

Does your SCSI drive work if you try to mount it like a CDROM ?  Do you have 
any other SCSI devices (hard drive/another CD etc)  

Have you considered setting the scsi ID to something like 2 through 5?  the 
card is often ID6.

Can you please post the dmesg lines from boot that show what scsi devices are 
detected?

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Subject:SCSI bus reset when burning

My scsi bus appears to want to reset everytime I try to burn a CD.  My
dmesg log gets errors like this:

scsi : aborting command due to timeout : pid 232511, scsi0, channel 0,
id 0, lun 0 0x2a 00 00 00 2f e0 00 00 10 00 
(scsi0:0:0:0) Synchronous at 10.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 15.
scsi : aborting command due to timeout : pid 236020, scsi0, channel 0,
id 0, lun 0 0x2a 00 00 00 1f 30 00 00 10 00 
(scsi0:0:0:0) Synchronous at 10.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 15.
scsi : aborting command due to timeout : pid 237829, scsi0, channel 0,
id 0, lun 0 0x2a 00 00 00 08 40 00 00 10 00 
(scsi0:0:0:0) Synchronous at 10.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 15.

Scsi id 0 is my burner, so it appears to be having some kind of
problem.  Does anyone know how to solve this or why the scsi bus wants
to reset?  Any help would be appreciated since I can't burn CDs until
this is figured out.  TIA.

Rob
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Re: FW: Dumb X Windows Question

[Mike Garfias]

You might want to try 'task-xwindows' or something similar.  I'm not sure
which it is, but will install just about everything you need.

Andrew McRobert spoke forth with the blessed manuscript:
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew McRobert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 12:04 PM
> To: 'Jay Kelly'
> Subject: RE: Dumb X Windows Question
> 
> 
> ... try these .debs at least
> 
> xfree86-common
> xlib6g
> xf86setup
> 
> ... just apt-get update & then "apt-get install "
> 
> 
> Andrew
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jay Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 11:57 AM
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Dumb X Windows Question
> 
> 
> Ok I have another dumb question.
> If I want to install X Windows what do I do. I have already tried "apt-get
> install xserver-svga" and it installs, but when I try to run the XF86Config
> I get "command not found" and I get the same for XF86Setup. What did I
> forget to install?
> 
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Re: Firewall problems

[str8edge]

you have to make sure you have your firewall set to accept ICMP traffic.

to have ipchains handle ICMP traffic you must use something like:

ipchains -A input -p ICMP -j ACCEPT

David
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 07:10:40PM -0600, Dwayne C . Litzenberger wrote:
> 
> I can only half-ping the outside world through my firewall.  That is, my
> firewall will forward ping requests, but it won't forward the replies
> (although iptraf reports that it is getting them).
> 
> I can also ping the firewall from the workstations, and the workstations from
> the firewall.
> 
> I have ipchains -P forward ACCEPT.
> 
> What am I doing wrong?
> 
> --
> Please always Cc to me when replying to me on the lists.
> 
> "Real hackers mostly think crackers are lazy, irresponsible, and not very
> bright, and object that being able to break security doesn't make you a
> hacker any more than being able to hotwire cars makes you an automotive
> engineer."
>-- The Hacker HOWTO
> 
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> 
> See the mail headers for GPG/advertising/homepage information.

Re: POP3

[Davide Libenzi]

Try XMail :

http://www.maticad.it/davide/xmail.asp

it's a SMTP server ( like sendmail, qmail, etc .. ) as long as a POP3 server
and has a lot of other features.

> Is sendmail a POP3 server?

No, if You use sendmail, qmail, ... that are SMTP servers You must install
something like qpopper ( or courrier IMAP if You want IMAP ) to pop mail
from the server.



Davide

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Webmail

[Andrew McRobert]

hi

while I'm waiting in hope re: my X Win qstn, does anyone know of a good Web
mail package (ie. let's you download mail from another POP server & look @
it through WWW.

ta

A

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Re: Simple Text Editor with Synatx highlighting?

[Armin Wegner]

Use vim. It's hard to learn, but it is worse it. It's fast.

Re: SCSI bus reset when burning

[Rob Rati]

Here's what dmesg says about my scsi chain.  I have 2 hds, 1 dvd drive,
and a burner on it.  The burner works great when I mount it as a cd-rom
drive.  No apparant problems at all.  The SCSI card is on ID 7, but the
ID of the device shouldn't matter should it?  As long as it's not the
same ID as another device on the chain.  None of the other devices have
any problems, just the burner causes the SCSI bus to reset.

(scsi0)  found at PCI 0/10/0
(scsi0) Wide Channel, SCSI ID=7, 16/255 SCBs
(scsi0) Downloading sequencer code... 423 instructions downloaded
scsi0 : Adaptec AHA274x/284x/294x (EISA/VLB/PCI-Fast SCSI) 5.1.28/3.2.4
   
scsi : 1 host.
(scsi0:0:0:0) Synchronous at 10.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 15.
  Vendor: YAMAHAModel: CRW6416S  Rev: 1.0c
  Type:   CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Detected scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
(scsi0:0:1:0) Synchronous at 20.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 8.
  Vendor: PIONEER   Model: DVD-ROM DVD-303   Rev: 1.09
  Type:   CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Detected scsi CD-ROM sr1 at scsi0, channel 0, id 1, lun 0
(scsi0:0:3:0) Synchronous at 40.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 8.
  Vendor: COMPAQModel: 3391SSRev: C70E
  Type:   Direct-Access  ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Detected scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 0
(scsi0:0:4:0) Synchronous at 40.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 8.
  Vendor: COMPAQModel: 3391SSRev: C424
  Type:   Direct-Access  ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Detected scsi disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id 4, lun 0
scsi : detected 2 SCSI cdroms 2 SCSI disks total.
sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 16x/16x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.07
sr1: scsi3-mmc drive: 0x/0x cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
SCSI device sda: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 17773500 [8678 MB]
[8.7 GB]
SCSI device sdb: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 17773500 [8678 MB]
[8.7 GB]

Rob

"C. Falconer" wrote:
> 
> Does your SCSI drive work if you try to mount it like a CDROM ?  Do you have 
> any other SCSI devices (hard drive/another CD etc)
> 
> Have you considered setting the scsi ID to something like 2 through 5?  the 
> card is often ID6.
> 
> Can you please post the dmesg lines from boot that show what scsi devices are 
> detected?
> 
> --
> From:   Rob Rati[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Reply To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent:   Tuesday, 23 May 2000 5:23 PM
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject:SCSI bus reset when burning
> 
> My scsi bus appears to want to reset everytime I try to burn a CD.  My
> dmesg log gets errors like this:
> 
> scsi : aborting command due to timeout : pid 232511, scsi0, channel 0,
> id 0, lun 0 0x2a 00 00 00 2f e0 00 00 10 00
> (scsi0:0:0:0) Synchronous at 10.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 15.
> scsi : aborting command due to timeout : pid 236020, scsi0, channel 0,
> id 0, lun 0 0x2a 00 00 00 1f 30 00 00 10 00
> (scsi0:0:0:0) Synchronous at 10.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 15.
> scsi : aborting command due to timeout : pid 237829, scsi0, channel 0,
> id 0, lun 0 0x2a 00 00 00 08 40 00 00 10 00
> (scsi0:0:0:0) Synchronous at 10.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 15.
> 
> Scsi id 0 is my burner, so it appears to be having some kind of
> problem.  Does anyone know how to solve this or why the scsi bus wants
> to reset?  Any help would be appreciated since I can't burn CDs until
> this is figured out.  TIA.
> 
> Rob
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Re: Mouse doesn't work in Xwindow, NFS, bug(3.)???

[Philip Lehman]

On Mon, 22 May 2000, Justin Megawarne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>And Philip Lehman bestowed upon us all:
>> On Mon, 22 May 2000, Antonio Rodriguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>> prw-r--r--1 root root0 May 22 23:01 /dev/gpmdata
>> 
>> If you don't have any gpmdata fifo, create one with `mknod
>> /dev/gpmdata p` and try again.
>
>I thought gpm automatically created the FIFO? Or am I wrong?

Yes, looking at the time stamp it seems like it even does so everytime
it is launched. But it won't do any harm to double check ;)

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Re: SCSI bus reset when burning

[Armin Wegner]

Have you added your burner to the SCSI bus, later? Then check, wether your 
SCSI bus is terminated correctly. The device at the end of the cable must be 
terminated, only. For some burners you have to set the jumper to disable 
termination. That is revers to normal harddrive setting.

Re: SCSI bus reset when burning

[Rob Rati]

What do you mean "added the burner to the SCSI bus later"?  You can't do
that, can you?  I mean, it has to be connected and on in order to be
detected and used, doesn't it?  The SCSI bus should be terminated
correctly.  the 50-pin connector is terminated by the DVD drive, and the
UW chain (the HDs) has an active termintor on the end of the chain as
the HDs do not terminate.  I think I might have turned off the
autotermination in the SCSI bios though.  I suppose the external
connector could not be terminated correctly (there's nothing connected
externally) and that could be causing problems?  I have disabled
termination on the burner and use the dvd drive to terminate the chain.

Rob

Armin Wegner wrote:
> 
> Have you added your burner to the SCSI bus, later? Then check, wether your
> SCSI bus is terminated correctly. The device at the end of the cable must be
> terminated, only. For some burners you have to set the jumper to disable
> termination. That is revers to normal harddrive setting.
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Re: Simple Text Editor with Synatx highlighting?

[Philip Lehman]

On Tue, 23 May 2000, Armin Wegner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Use vim. It's hard to learn, but it is worse it.

Interesting typo ;)

(I'm writing this as a non-native speaker, no offence intended)

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Re: xterm: Error 14, errno 13: Permission denied

[Ethan Benson]

On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 12:47:13PM -0400, Lee Bradshaw wrote:
> I've upgraded several systems from slink to potato using a mirror I
> made a few weeks ago. On some of the systems xterm works fine, but on
> others it generates the error message:
> 
>   xterm: Error 14, errno 13: Permission denied
> 
> rxvt works fine and seems to have the same permissions as xterm:
> 
>   -rwxr-sr-x1 root utmp81616 Mar 18 12:40 
> /usr/X11R6/bin/rxvt-xterm*
>   -rwxr-sr-x1 root utmp   161680 Mar 13 22:07 /usr/bin/X11/xterm*

hmm just a wild guess but is /var/run/utmp and/or /var/log/wtmp
writable by group utmp?

> I'm using xterm 3.3.6-6 which seems to be the latest available. I
> can't "strace xterm", and I'm not sure what to look at without more
> information than I see in the error message. Anyone else have any
> ideas?

you cannot strace a s[ug]id program, otherwise you could strace things
like su and gain access to shadow passwords, among other nasty things
(like run them through a debugger and make them start a shell instead)

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Re: arpwatch and the never Ending Syslog

[KELEMEN Peter]

On Wed, 2000-05-03 12:20:01 +0200, Andresito del Hierro wrote:

Salut,

> After I installed arpwatch the syslog grows and grows and
> grows!  then I looked to the init.d script and found that the
> ARGS option is set at "" by default. Would be better to have it
> set to "-b" by default?.

The basic idea here is that normally you shouldn't see any
bogons.  Having -b the default is much like closing your eyes to
make yourself believe that the problem doesn't exist in the first
place.  If you get a lot of bogons, something is broken with your
network (in some cases is intentional, like in a test lab), but I
guess it's not the majority of the cases.

> start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet --exec $DAEMON
> [...]
> start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet --exec $DAEMON -- $ARGS

The way of implementing your idea is correct, but last time I
checked start-stop-daemon it failed to stop a service started up
such way.

  Fuji^

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Re: unable to compile ss2 under Debian 2.2

[Ron Rademaker]

I only tried it on my woody system, when I checked on potato system it
didn't work... You could try downloading that woody part and install it
using dpkg (this will only work if ssh2 doesn't depend on all kinds
(version dependencies) of things, but you can try!).

Ron Rademaker

On Mon, 22 May 2000, Ray Olszewski wrote:

> At 12:39 AM 5/23/00 +0200, Ron Rademaker wrote:
> >make?? try apt-get install ssh2, after that it should simply work.
> 
> What archive are you connecting to? If I do (using potato) "apt-cache search
> ssh", I get ssh ( == OpenSSH) and ssh-nonfree ( == SSH 1.2.27-6), and an
> assortment of support packages, but no "ssh2".
> 
> "Never tell me the odds!"---
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> Palo Alto, CA  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 

Re: scsi disk question: u2w vs. uw

[John Gould]

Sorry, but this is rubbish! The SCSI controller will have no effect on the
disk rotational velocity. However this is not what the poster asked! If
you put an Ultra 2 wide on a non wide channel the transfers will be eight
bits at a time instead of 16, i.e. half the speed, but it will work
fine. Some cards like the AHA2940UW have a wide and a narrow channel, if
the Ultra wide disk is put on the UW channel and the Ultra disk is on the
standard channel there will be no effect on performance.

HTH JohnG


32865e97b5342e762ab140e00f3da23b - Just 'Debian'


On Mon, 22 May 2000, Dan Hutchinson wrote:

> By default the SCSI card will slow the rpm to the slowest hard disk ie..
> if you have one disk at 1rpm and one at 7200rpm both hard disks will
> be at 7200 rpm
> 
>  "John F. Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hello
> > 
> > This is not a Debian linux question per se, but I
> > know someone on this list will know for sure.
> > 
> > Can you mix scsi disks on a Adaptec 2930u2 adapter
> > and not have the slower disk slow down the faster one?
> > 
> > I.e, I have a computer which currently has a u2w disk
> > with a u2w card and I want to know if I will get
> > a performance hit if I add a regular uw disk to the
> > same scsi channel.  The card does not have two channels,
> > so if I add the second disk it has to be on the same
> > channel as the original disk.
> > 
> > JOhn
> > 
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Re: Simple Text Editor with Synatx highlighting?

[Anthony Campbell]

On 23 May 2000, Philip Lehman wrote:
> On Tue, 23 May 2000, Armin Wegner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >Use vim. It's hard to learn, but it is worse it.
> 
> Interesting typo ;)
> 
> (I'm writing this as a non-native speaker, no offence intended)
> 
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> 

Vim's one of the *best* editors, actually, IME. I use it all the time
and it's replaced a word processor for me. I just print the files, piped
through pr, for ordinary stuff; for anything fancy I use latex.

And yes, it gives you syntax highlighting as well.

Anthony


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Re: Sendmail Q

[Ron Rademaker]

You mean the mail name? This is the thing what comes behind the @,
eg. when I (username ron) send you mail you see it coming from
[EMAIL PROTECTED], if I would change the mail name to
abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz, you would see it coming from
[EMAIL PROTECTED] However in that case if you would reply
the mail wouldn't arrive!

Do this name doesn't have to be your computername (in my case it isn't!).

Ron Rademaker

On Mon, 22 May 2000, Jay Kelly wrote:

> Hello Group,
> Im trying to setup sendmail and Im at the sendmailconfig and im confussed. I
> am being asked for: what is the visable mail name of your system. would this
> be my computer name?
> 
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Re: X Weirdness

[Ron Rademaker]

Are you out of quota or out of diskspace??
What happens if you start X as root?

Ron Rademaker

On Tue, 23 May 2000, Andrew McRobert wrote:

> hi
> 
> I've installed X 3.3.6-6 on my Toshiba Sat Pro 4270 (laptop). The machine
> has an S3 Savage card, and I've installed the latest drivers from the s3
> site. The server is identifying my machine's video card correctly, and is
> not producing any errors on start up ... BUT ... all I get is a blank screen
> when I 'startx' ... the output from my X session is as follows:
> 
> 
> 
> XFree86 Version 3.3.6 / X Window System
> (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6300)
> Release Date: January 8 1999
>   If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer
>   than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting
>   problems.  (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ)
> Operating System: Linux 2.2.12-20 i686 [ELF]
> Configured drivers:
>   SVGA: server for SVGA graphics adaptors (Patchlevel 0):
>   NV1, STG2000, RIVA 128, RIVA TNT, RIVA TNT2, RIVA ULTRA TNT2,
>   RIVA VANTA, RIVA ULTRA VANTA, RIVA INTEGRATED, GeForce 256,
>   GeForce DDR, Quadro, ET4000, ET4000W32, ET4000W32i, ET4000W32i_rev_b,
>   ET4000W32i_rev_c, ET4000W32p, ET4000W32p_rev_a, ET4000W32p_rev_b,
>   ET4000W32p_rev_c, ET4000W32p_rev_d, ET6000, ET6100, et3000, pvga1,
>   wd90c00, wd90c10, wd90c30, wd90c24, wd90c31, wd90c33, gvga, r128, ati,
>   sis86c201, sis86c202, sis86c205, sis86c215, sis86c225, sis5597,
>   sis5598, sis6326, sis530, sis620, sis300, sis630, sis540, tvga8200lx,
>   tvga8800cs, tvga8900b, tvga8900c, tvga8900cl, tvga8900d, tvga9000,
>   tvga9000i, tvga9100b, tvga9200cxr, tgui9400cxi, tgui9420, tgui9420dgi,
>   tgui9430dgi, tgui9440agi, cyber9320, tgui9660, tgui9680, tgui9682,
>   tgui9685, cyber9382, cyber9385, cyber9388, cyber9397, cyber9520,
>   cyber9525, 3dimage975, 3dimage985, cyber9397dvd, blade3d, cyberblade,
>   clgd5420, clgd5422, clgd5424, clgd5426, clgd5428, clgd5429, clgd5430,
>   clgd5434, clgd5436, clgd5446, clgd5480, clgd5462, clgd5464, clgd5465,
>   clgd6205, clgd6215, clgd6225, clgd6235, clgd7541, clgd7542, clgd7543,
>   clgd7548, clgd7555, clgd7556, ncr77c22, ncr77c22e, cpq_avga, mga2064w,
>   mga1064sg, mga2164w, mga2164w AGP, mgag200, mgag100, mgag400, oti067,
>   oti077, oti087, oti037c, al2101, ali2228, ali2301, ali2302, ali2308,
>   ali2401, cl6410, cl6412, cl6420, cl6440, video7, ark1000vl, ark1000pv,
>   ark2000pv, ark2000mt, mx, realtek, s3_savage, s3_virge, AP6422, AT24,
>   AT3D, s3_svga, NM2070, NM2090, NM2093, NM2097, NM2160, NM2200,
>   ct65520, ct65525, ct65530, ct65535, ct65540, ct65545, ct65546,
>   ct65548, ct65550, ct65554, ct6, ct68554, ct69000, ct64200,
>   ct64300, mediagx, V1000, V2100, V2200, p9100, spc8110, i740, i740_pci,
>   Voodoo Banshee, Voodoo3, smi, generic
> (using VT number 7)
> 
> XF86Config: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XF86Config
> (**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values
> (**) XKB: rules: "xfree86"
> (**) XKB: model: "pc104"
> (**) XKB: layout: "us"
> (**) XKB: variant: "nodeadkeys"
> (**) Mouse: type: IMPS/2, device: /dev/psaux, samplerate: 60
> (**) Mouse: buttons: 5
> (**) Mouse: zaxismapping: (-)4 (+)5
> (**) SVGA: Graphics device ID: "S3 Savage IX/MV"
> (**) SVGA: Monitor ID: "Primary-Monitor"
> (**) FontPath set to
> "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unsca
> led,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1,
> /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc,/usr/X11R6/lib
> /X11/fonts/75dpi,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
> (--) SVGA: PCI: S3 Savage/IX (Macrovision) rev 17, Memory @ 0xf000
> (--) SVGA: SAVAGE: Savage/MX rev 11, Linear FB @ 0xf000
> (--) SVGA: Detected S3 Savage/MX
> (--) SVGA: using driver for chipset "s3_savage"
> (--) SVGA: videoram:  8192k
> (--) SVGA: Ramdac speed: 250 MHz
> (--) SVGA: Detected current MCLK value of 83.045 MHz
> (--) SVGA: VBE Version 2.0
> (--) SVGA: BIOS label is "S3 Incorporated. M7 BIOS"
> X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
> 
> -
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> MURDOCH UNIVERSITY
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Re: Dumb X Windows Question

[Ron Rademaker]

Do you have:
xfree
a x-windows-manager
xf86setup
and many other things you'll probably want installed??

If you install x on a system where you don't have anything x on already, I
would suggest you use dselect for it.

Ron Rademaker


On Mon, 22 May 2000, Jay Kelly wrote:

> Ok I have another dumb question.
> If I want to install X Windows what do I do. I have already tried "apt-get
> install xserver-svga" and it installs, but when I try to run the XF86Config
> I get "command not found" and I get the same for XF86Setup. What did I
> forget to install?
> 
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RFC - corel installation

[Dominic Blythe]

Any body else ever had problems with corel installation?
mine worked fine, my friend using the same cd has the 
hang problem that loads of people here have reported.

As I can't find any commonality in whose works and whose
doesn't, I'd like your story! Corel is nice, easy and 
mostly Debian - it'd be a shame if the answer to the 
problem was just "the installer is crap - forget it".

Obvious things like scsi controller, cpu, and board
manufacturer are already ruled out. If we can find out, 
tell Corel and get it fixed, in a couple of years 
there'll be loads more debian users.

cheers.

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Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

[Wichert Akkerman]

Previously Joey Hess wrote:
> http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-dpkg-0004/msg2.html

Okay, but that issue assumes that a package leaves a bomb in its
prerm. There is no way to protect yourself from such trojan packages
anyway, wether you use rpm or dpkg.

Wichert.

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ArcServe Client for Linux

[Carlos Bambó]

Has anybody tried to perform a backup of a Debian workstation using the
ArcServe (CAI) client for Linux?.
More specifically from a NT Server.
If you did succeed please let me know the release and conditions.

Thanks


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Re: finger

[Matt Folwell]

On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 02:00:11PM -0500, Lindsay Haisley wrote:
> I've replaced finger altogether for off-site finger requests with a nice
> little perl script guaranteed to confuse and amuse.  Try fingering
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XFree86 4.0 debs ?

[James Sleeman]

I would like to install XFree 4.0 on my potato machine, are there debs
available yet, or not too far off ?  I couldn't even see 4.0 ones in Woody.


Thanks
James Sleeman

Memoria reconocida por el sistema vs. memoria instalada

[Ximo Nadal]

Hola:

Tenemos un servidor con Debian que es un PC clonico, tiene instaladas
128 Mb de memoria RAM y la BIOS cuando arranca cuenta las 128 Mb.
Sin embargo cuando hacemos un free -kt lo que obtenemos es:

total   used free sharedbufferscached
Mem:   63528  62332  1196 49252 5736  34080
-/+ buffers/cache: 22516  41012
Swap:  66524   60  66364
Tota:   130052   6249267560

Suponemos que la memoria de swap se refiere a la partición de swap,
con lo que parece que el sistema solo está reconociendo 64 Mb de las
128 Mb instaladas.

En el libro "The Debian Linux User's Guide" en el Appendix 7 apartado
Arguments leí lo siguiente (que reproduzco, con perdón):
[...]
mem=
Since the BIOS of most PCs can only report 64 Megabytes there are
times when the kernel needs to be told that there is more memory than
this. This argument should be used with great care, since, if you lie
to the kernel and tell it that it has more address space than it
actually has, the system will crash miserably as some time in the
near future. Also make sure that your system does not use the highest
memory for caching the bios code, as use of this memory by the kernel
will ultimately crash the system as well. The value given after the
equal sign should be the highest ram address available to the kernel,
so a 96 Megabyte system would get an argument like
"mem=0x600".
[...]

Por lo que entendí estos parametros se podian poner en el lilo.conf y
tomarian efecto despues de ejecutar liloconfig y rearrancar el
sistema, pero cuando pongo en lilo.conf mem=0x800 (valor
hexadecimal de 128 Mb) y ejecuto liloconfig me aparece el error:
Syntax error near line 7 in file /etc/lilo.conf
Que es la linea donde he puesto lo de mem=...

¿Alguien sabe como puedo hacer que el sistema reconozca las 128 Mb?.
Una posibilidad seria actualizar la BIOS del equipo pero me da miedo
porque la placa es marca "la guitarra" y no se si la encontaré (si es
que existe) asi que preferiria hacerlo con Debian (si se puede).

Disculparme por este "cacho mail".

Espero vuestra ayuda.
Saludos.

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RE: Memoria reconocida por el sistema vs. memoria instalada

[Dominic Blythe]

translation - - 
> 
> Hola:
> 
> Tenemos un servidor con Debian que es un PC clonico, tiene instaladas 
> 128 Mb de memoria RAM y la BIOS cuando arranca cuenta las 128 Mb.
> Sin embargo cuando hacemos un free -kt lo que obtenemos es:

on a pc with 128mb ram, this is the output from free -kt 

>  
> total   used free sharedbufferscached
> Mem:   63528  62332  1196 49252 5736  34080
> -/+ buffers/cache: 22516  41012
> Swap:  66524   60  66364
> Tota:   130052   6249267560
> 

assuming that the Swap entry 66524 represents the swap partition, 
why can the pc only recognise 64MB of ram?

> Suponemos que la memoria de swap se refiere a la partición de swap, 
> con lo que parece que el sistema solo está reconociendo 64 Mb de las 
> 128 Mb instaladas.
> 
> En el libro "The Debian Linux User's Guide" en el Appendix 7 apartado 
> Arguments leí lo siguiente (que reproduzco, con perdón):
> [...]
> mem=
> Since the BIOS of most PCs can only report 64 Megabytes there are 
> times when the kernel needs to be told that there is more memory than 
> this. This argument should be used with great care, since, if you lie 
> to the kernel and tell it that it has more address space than it 
> actually has, the system will crash miserably as some time in the 
> near future. Also make sure that your system does not use the highest 
> memory for caching the bios code, as use of this memory by the kernel 
> will ultimately crash the system as well. The value given after the 
> equal sign should be the highest ram address available to the kernel, 
> so a 96 Megabyte system would get an argument like
> "mem=0x600".
> [...]
> 

having changed lilo.conf as directed with line mem=0x0800 (128MB as
hex),
i get  Syntax error near line 7 in file /etc/lilo.conf 
line 7 is the mem=... line
so how to get it to recognise 128MB ram?

[i don't get the bit about the guitar - does he mean he doesn't want to
flash
his bios?]

sorry this mail is so "cacho"

> Por lo que entendí estos parametros se podian poner en el lilo.conf y 
> tomarian efecto despues de ejecutar liloconfig y rearrancar el 
> sistema, pero cuando pongo en lilo.conf mem=0x800 (valor 
> hexadecimal de 128 Mb) y ejecuto liloconfig me aparece el error:
> Syntax error near line 7 in file /etc/lilo.conf 
> Que es la linea donde he puesto lo de mem=...
> 
> ¿Alguien sabe como puedo hacer que el sistema reconozca las 128 Mb?.
> Una posibilidad seria actualizar la BIOS del equipo pero me da miedo 
> porque la placa es marca "la guitarra" y no se si la encontaré (si es 
> que existe) asi que preferiria hacerlo con Debian (si se puede). 
> 
> Disculparme por este "cacho mail".
> 
> Espero vuestra ayuda.
> Saludos.
> 
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Re: XFree86 4.0 debs ?

[Ron Rademaker]

There aren't any deb (yet), but you can compile the sources yourself,
works fine here!

Ron Rademaker

PS. Make sure to keep the old 3, just in case anything goes wrong, I
didn't the first time, something went wrong, so I tried to fix it and
messed up my system even more. At the end I decided to reinstall the
system, because it was the fastest way of fixing ;)

On Tue, 23 May 2000, James Sleeman wrote:

> I would like to install XFree 4.0 on my potato machine, are there debs
> available yet, or not too far off ?  I couldn't even see 4.0 ones in Woody.
> 
> 
> Thanks
> James Sleeman
> 
> 
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Re: xterm: Error 14, errno 13: Permission denied

[Lee Bradshaw]

Unfortnately I deleted the email, but I believe Darren sent me a
private email saying the permissions on /dev/tty were wrong.

Anyway the permissions on /dev/tty were incorrect. On the non-working
machines this device was owned by a user and was rw by him only. I
changed the device to "crw-rw-rw- root:tty" and things are working
correctly now.

On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 12:47:13PM -0400, Lee Bradshaw wrote:
> I've upgraded several systems from slink to potato using a mirror I
> made a few weeks ago. On some of the systems xterm works fine, but on
> others it generates the error message:
> 
>   xterm: Error 14, errno 13: Permission denied
> 
> rxvt works fine and seems to have the same permissions as xterm:
> 
>   -rwxr-sr-x1 root utmp81616 Mar 18 12:40 
> /usr/X11R6/bin/rxvt-xterm*
>   -rwxr-sr-x1 root utmp   161680 Mar 13 22:07 /usr/bin/X11/xterm*
> 
> I'm using xterm 3.3.6-6 which seems to be the latest available. I
> can't "strace xterm", and I'm not sure what to look at without more
> information than I see in the error message. Anyone else have any
> ideas?
> 

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Re: scsi disk question: u2w vs. uw

[Jonathan Lupa]

On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 11:05:42AM +0100, John Gould wrote:
> Sorry, but this is rubbish! 

Yep.

The only thing that I had to add is that if you hang a UW device on
the same chain as your U2W device, your U2W device will transfer at UW
rates.

(which is why I had to send back my plextor-40wide, dag nabbit. :)

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Thanks! - Re: (ot) What is load average?

[Jonathan Lupa]

On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 07:19:40PM -0700, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> You can find this information by grubbing about in
> /usr/src/linux/fs/proc/array.c

excellent.

Thanks for all the great answers!

-Jonathan

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Re: scsi disk question: u2w vs. uw

[iehrenwald]

On Tue, 23 May 2000, John Gould wrote:

> Sorry, but this is rubbish! The SCSI controller will have no effect on the
> disk rotational velocity. However this is not what the poster asked! If
> you put an Ultra 2 wide on a non wide channel the transfers will be eight
> bits at a time instead of 16, i.e. half the speed, but it will work
> fine. Some cards like the AHA2940UW have a wide and a narrow channel, if
> the Ultra wide disk is put on the UW channel and the Ultra disk is on the
> standard channel there will be no effect on performance.
> 
> HTH JohnG

On a somewhat related note.. I have a 2940UW.  Can I use a 50 pin Ultra2
drive on the 50 pin Narrow channel?  I know I wouldn't get U2 speeds, but
the 50 pin narrow channel is all I have to use.  68 pin UW is too
expensive and hard to find these days.  I can find 50 pin Ultra2
18 gig drives for pretty cheap.  Thanks.

Ian

Email forwarding

[Richard Clarke]

Has anyone on this list had experience with setting 
up email forwarding, like bigfoot and such services do.
If so can you point me to some resources on this 
subject.
 
Richard
 
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interested.-- Helen MacInness

Re: RFC - corel installation

[Jean G. Turner]

Hi,

Want to report I had a computer built to dual boot NT and Corel Linux. We
gave each OS its own drive. In selecting components we reviewed Corel's
list of supported hardware and selected only those listed, with the
exception of a Matrox G400. We are both basically Windows folks. The
install went extremely well.

We have had some minor issues subsequently, which had already surfaced on
Corel and OneList newsgroups, so we have had most of the solutions readily
available. I will be having some networking issues, but hopefully these too
can be solved.

My guess is that for starters a complete, maintained ... up to date,
hardware compatibility list would be invaluable.

>From there, I suspect that  assuming the target group for the distro
are currently primarily windows users and total newbies ... that having the
OS and applications preinstalled would go a long way. Further, there is
probably a need for information as a part of ads (to point out the improved
stability, the built in enhanced security and the reduced risk of attack by
computer virus's) in addition to the beneficial pricing. There is also a
need for identifiable sources of training (courses, books, videos) and
local support.

IMHO Linux is a far better OS and the motivations of the people developing
and offering it are sterling, particularly as compared to the currently
pervasive alternative.

Jean

Re: scsi disk question: u2w vs. uw

[Dan Hutchinson]

Sorry,
I misspoke, I meant the data rate not the spin of the hard disk.

Dan

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Re: Webmail

[Noah L. Meyerhans]

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Check out the following URLs, they might be helpful.  I know that at least
one of these packages has been Debianized.
http://webmail.wastl.net/
http://webbasedemail.com/
http://www.horde.org/imp/

HTH,
noah

On Tue, 23 May 2000, Andrew McRobert wrote:

> hi
> 
> while I'm waiting in hope re: my X Win qstn, does anyone know of a good Web
> mail package (ie. let's you download mail from another POP server & look @
> it through WWW.
> 


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OT. Debian w/s in schools - info needed.

[Lindsay Allen]

I'm a very inexpert sysadmin who assists at a local school.  We have a
Debian box now for mail, squid, modem server and so on and they are very
receptive to the idea of running Linux workstations and eventually
breaking away from you-know-who.

Possibilities:
  Booting Debian from the server.
  Home DIRs on a Debian/Samba box.
  Home DIRs on a straight Debian box.
  Using NFS mounted applications.  (Star Office etc.)
  Using X in lieu of NFS and running things on the server.

All this is way outside my experience so I really could use some help.

Can anyone give me some URLs for information on how to set things up, or
people to talk to?

Lindsay

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Re: Simple Text Editor with Synatx highlighting?

[Keith G. Murphy]

Richard Klinda wrote:
> 
> Hoi Frank, ALL!
> 
>   Frank> I'm using joe for many purposes. The only feature I miss is
>   Frank> syntax highlighting in C. Are there any hints for such a
>   Frank> small and fast editor in Debian with that feature built in?
> 
> fte, vim, jed  (emacs ;-))
> 
This leads to a question I've been interested in.  I've noticed vim's
Perl syntax highlighting to be, hmmm, not always what it should be.  (As
some have said, only perl can parse Perl).  Any opinions on which editor
has the *best* Perl syntax highlighting?

Re: Dumb X Windows Question

[Kent West]

The XF86Setup app used to be in the xserver-vga16 package, I believe, but now 
it is
in the xf86setup package. Do an
"apt-get install xf86setup", then run XF86Setup. That should get you going.


ktb wrote:

> XF86Setup is the program you want to run to set up 'X' which creates
> XF86Config.  Have you tried running XF86Setup as root?  Do you have
> 'xbase' installed?  Have you verified XF86Setup exists on your system?
> Just some things I would look for.
> hth,
> kent
>
> Jay Kelly wrote:
> >
> > Ok I have another dumb question.
> > If I want to install X Windows what do I do. I have already tried "apt-get
> > install xserver-svga" and it installs, but when I try to run the XF86Config
> > I get "command not found" and I get the same for XF86Setup. What did I
> > forget to install?
> >
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Re: Simple Text Editor with Synatx highlighting?

[Peter Good]

I may get flamed for this lol, but i've always used mcedit for perl
stuff, pretty perl colour highlighting :)

Peter.

"Keith G. Murphy" wrote:
> 
> Richard Klinda wrote:
> >
> > Hoi Frank, ALL!
> >
> >   Frank> I'm using joe for many purposes. The only feature I miss is
> >   Frank> syntax highlighting in C. Are there any hints for such a
> >   Frank> small and fast editor in Debian with that feature built in?
> >
> > fte, vim, jed  (emacs ;-))
> >
> This leads to a question I've been interested in.  I've noticed vim's
> Perl syntax highlighting to be, hmmm, not always what it should be.  (As
> some have said, only perl can parse Perl).  Any opinions on which editor
> has the *best* Perl syntax highlighting?
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Re: Simple Text Editor with Synatx highlighting?

[John S Jacobs Anderson]

on 5/23/00 9:57 AM, Keith G. Murphy at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> This leads to a question I've been interested in.  I've noticed vim's
> Perl syntax highlighting to be, hmmm, not always what it should be.  (As
> some have said, only perl can parse Perl).  Any opinions on which editor
> has the *best* Perl syntax highlighting?

(X)Emacs with CPerl mode.

john.

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RE: Memoria reconocida por el sistema vs. memoria instalada

[Corey Popelier]

I think you would need:

append="mem=0x800"

I personally use: append="mem=128M"

Point is quotes and so forth are important :)

Cheers,
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On Tue, 23 May 2000, Dominic Blythe wrote:

> 
> translation - - 
> > 
> > Hola:
> > 
> > Tenemos un servidor con Debian que es un PC clonico, tiene instaladas 
> > 128 Mb de memoria RAM y la BIOS cuando arranca cuenta las 128 Mb.
> > Sin embargo cuando hacemos un free -kt lo que obtenemos es:
> 
> on a pc with 128mb ram, this is the output from free -kt 
> 
> >  
> > total   used free sharedbufferscached
> > Mem:   63528  62332  1196 49252 5736  34080
> > -/+ buffers/cache: 22516  41012
> > Swap:  66524   60  66364
> > Tota:   130052   6249267560
> > 
> 
> assuming that the Swap entry 66524 represents the swap partition, 
> why can the pc only recognise 64MB of ram?
> 
> > Suponemos que la memoria de swap se refiere a la partici?n de swap, 
> > con lo que parece que el sistema solo est? reconociendo 64 Mb de las 
> > 128 Mb instaladas.
> > 
> > En el libro "The Debian Linux User's Guide" en el Appendix 7 apartado 
> > Arguments le? lo siguiente (que reproduzco, con perd?n):
> > [...]
> > mem=
> > Since the BIOS of most PCs can only report 64 Megabytes there are 
> > times when the kernel needs to be told that there is more memory than 
> > this. This argument should be used with great care, since, if you lie 
> > to the kernel and tell it that it has more address space than it 
> > actually has, the system will crash miserably as some time in the 
> > near future. Also make sure that your system does not use the highest 
> > memory for caching the bios code, as use of this memory by the kernel 
> > will ultimately crash the system as well. The value given after the 
> > equal sign should be the highest ram address available to the kernel, 
> > so a 96 Megabyte system would get an argument like
> > "mem=0x600".
> > [...]
> > 
> 
> having changed lilo.conf as directed with line mem=0x0800 (128MB as
> hex),
> i get  Syntax error near line 7 in file /etc/lilo.conf 
> line 7 is the mem=... line
> so how to get it to recognise 128MB ram?
> 
> [i don't get the bit about the guitar - does he mean he doesn't want to
> flash
> his bios?]
> 
> sorry this mail is so "cacho"
> 
> > Por lo que entend? estos parametros se podian poner en el lilo.conf y 
> > tomarian efecto despues de ejecutar liloconfig y rearrancar el 
> > sistema, pero cuando pongo en lilo.conf mem=0x800 (valor 
> > hexadecimal de 128 Mb) y ejecuto liloconfig me aparece el error:
> > Syntax error near line 7 in file /etc/lilo.conf 
> > Que es la linea donde he puesto lo de mem=...
> > 
> > ?Alguien sabe como puedo hacer que el sistema reconozca las 128 Mb?.
> > Una posibilidad seria actualizar la BIOS del equipo pero me da miedo 
> > porque la placa es marca "la guitarra" y no se si la encontar? (si es 
> > que existe) asi que preferiria hacerlo con Debian (si se puede). 
> > 
> > Disculparme por este "cacho mail".
> > 
> > Espero vuestra ayuda.
> > Saludos.
> > 
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Re: Memoria reconocida por el sistema vs. memoria instalada

[Matt Folwell]

On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 01:21:46PM +0200, Ximo Nadal wrote:

> Por lo que entendí estos parametros se podian poner en el lilo.conf y 
> tomarian efecto despues de ejecutar liloconfig y rearrancar el 
> sistema, pero cuando pongo en lilo.conf mem=0x800

You should use the line:

append="mem=128M"

Sorry, I don't speak Spanish.

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Re: Webmail

[Gregory Guthrie]

One free one is qdpop, but they are discontinuing it.
   http://www-informatics.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/qdpop/hosting.htm

Others include:
http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/

http://www.atdot.org/faq.shtml

http://www.rts.com.au/warp/warpmail/

Of course there are many free externally hosted www-mail services, hotmail 
etc...



There are several very nice $ commercial ones, but I presume you don't want 
them!


Best,
Gregory


At 02:59 PM 05/23/2000 +0800, Andrew McRobert wrote:

hi

while I'm waiting in hope re: my X Win qstn, does anyone know of a good Web
mail package (ie. let's you download mail from another POP server & look @
it through WWW.



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Re: POP3 port

[Sathpal Singh]

I think it's 995, try that. That's what it's got in my /etc/services
anyway.

Cheers,
 Sath


On Mon, 22 May 2000, Viktor Rosenfeld wrote:

> Hi folks,
> 
> I've trouble finding out, what port a POP3 server normally listens to. 
> I tried 25, but that's SMTP (sendmail).  And a look at the fetchmail man
> page didn't help me either.
> 
> MfG Viktor
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Re: Simple Text Editor with Synatx highlighting?

[Jesse Jacobsen]

On 05/23/00, John S Jacobs Anderson addressed "Re: Simple Text Editor with 
Synatx highlighting?":
> on 5/23/00 9:57 AM, Keith G. Murphy at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > This leads to a question I've been interested in.  I've noticed vim's
> > Perl syntax highlighting to be, hmmm, not always what it should be.  (As
> > some have said, only perl can parse Perl).  Any opinions on which editor
> > has the *best* Perl syntax highlighting?
> 
> (X)Emacs with CPerl mode.

Even that's not, hmmm, what it should be.  Cases that come to mind are
certain regular expressions and here documents.  Unless I've been
using a different Perl mode in Emacs.

Jesse

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Re: Simple Text Editor with Synatx highlighting?

[Ron Rademaker]

How about fte (fte-console or fte under x)??

Ron Rademaker

On Tue, 23 May 2000, Jesse Jacobsen wrote:

> On 05/23/00, John S Jacobs Anderson addressed "Re: Simple Text Editor with 
> Synatx highlighting?":
> > on 5/23/00 9:57 AM, Keith G. Murphy at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > This leads to a question I've been interested in.  I've noticed vim's
> > > Perl syntax highlighting to be, hmmm, not always what it should be.  (As
> > > some have said, only perl can parse Perl).  Any opinions on which editor
> > > has the *best* Perl syntax highlighting?
> > 
> > (X)Emacs with CPerl mode.
> 
> Even that's not, hmmm, what it should be.  Cases that come to mind are
> certain regular expressions and here documents.  Unless I've been
> using a different Perl mode in Emacs.
> 
> Jesse
> 
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Re: Mouse doesn't work in Xwindow, NFS, bug(3.)???

[Francois Fayard]

I have the same problems on my computer
For nfs: uninstall everything using nfs
For gpm: Change your gpm.conf to

 device=/dev/psaux
 responsiveness=
 repeat_type=
 type=ps2
 append=""

Francois

apache on debian frozen!

[Thomas Braun]

hello group i use the htpasswd from apache for my squid password list
with ncsa_auth authentication ! 


my password is 9 characters long but if i typed only 8 it is ssuccessful
! 

is this a bug or can squid only handle 8 characters?

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Re: Simple Text Editor with Synatx highlighting?

[Michael Stenner]

On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 09:39:16AM -0500, Jesse Jacobsen wrote:
> On 05/23/00, John S Jacobs Anderson addressed "Re: Simple Text Editor with 
> Synatx highlighting?":
> > on 5/23/00 9:57 AM, Keith G. Murphy at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > This leads to a question I've been interested in.  I've noticed vim's
> > > Perl syntax highlighting to be, hmmm, not always what it should be.  (As
> > > some have said, only perl can parse Perl).  Any opinions on which editor
> > > has the *best* Perl syntax highlighting?
> > 
> > (X)Emacs with CPerl mode.
> 
> Even that's not, hmmm, what it should be.  Cases that come to mind are
> certain regular expressions and here documents.  Unless I've been
> using a different Perl mode in Emacs.

It's possible.  There's "perl-mode" and there's "cperl-mode".  I
prefer that latter, although the highlighting is not perfect.

  -Michael

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Re: POP3 port

[Dan Brosemer]

He's probably looking for port 110.  995 appears to be an encrypted version.
Interesting... now I'm wondering how to set this up (the ssl version, that
is).  Time for me to do some reading.

-Dan

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:[~]$ grep pop3 /etc/services
pop3110/tcp pop-3   # POP version 3
pop3110/udp pop-3
pop3s   995/tcp # POP-3 over SSL
pop3s   995/udp # POP-3 over SSL

On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 03:31:59PM +0100, Sathpal Singh wrote:
> 
> I think it's 995, try that. That's what it's got in my /etc/services
> anyway.
> 
> Cheers,
>  Sath
> 
> 
> On Mon, 22 May 2000, Viktor Rosenfeld wrote:
> 
> > Hi folks,
> > 
> > I've trouble finding out, what port a POP3 server normally listens to. 
> > I tried 25, but that's SMTP (sendmail).  And a look at the fetchmail man
> > page didn't help me either.
> > 
> > MfG Viktor
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ip accounting

[Litzler Mihaly]

Hi,

I have a Cisco1600 router connecting to an ISP.
I would like to count the network traffic of this router, but not like the
way of mrtg does, because I want to know all downloaded or uploaded MBs on
all IP addresses in my C class using this router in a time period (for
example in a month).

Has anyone a great idea about coping with this problem?

Thanks,

Mihaly Litzler

RE: SCSI bus reset when burning

[JoeCool]

I have this same type of problem when I try to use SCSI tape backup.
I get simular error messages and the machine's load goes pretty high and
sometimes needs to be rebooted.

I have had no luck getting the tape backup to work.

this is the error i get:
--
May  3 14:23:23 taz kernel: SCSI host 0 abort (pid 228089503) timed out -
resetting
May  3 14:23:23 taz kernel: SCSI bus is being reset for host 0 channel 0.
--

We both have Adaptech controllers...

--
scsi0 : Adaptec AHA274x/284x/294x (EISA/VLB/PCI-Fast SCSI) 5.1.10/3.2.4
   
scsi1 : Adaptec AHA274x/284x/294x (EISA/VLB/PCI-Fast SCSI) 5.1.10/3.2.4
   
scsi2 : AMI MegaRAID U.75 254 commands 16 targs 2 chans
scsi : 3 hosts.
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> -Original Message-
> From: Rob Rati [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 4:15 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: 'debian-user@lists.debian.org'
> Subject: Re: SCSI bus reset when burning
>
>
> Here's what dmesg says about my scsi chain.  I have 2 hds, 1 dvd drive,
> and a burner on it.  The burner works great when I mount it as a cd-rom
> drive.  No apparant problems at all.  The SCSI card is on ID 7, but the
> ID of the device shouldn't matter should it?  As long as it's not the
> same ID as another device on the chain.  None of the other devices have
> any problems, just the burner causes the SCSI bus to reset.
>
> (scsi0)  found at PCI 0/10/0
> (scsi0) Wide Channel, SCSI ID=7, 16/255 SCBs
> (scsi0) Downloading sequencer code... 423 instructions downloaded
> scsi0 : Adaptec AHA274x/284x/294x (EISA/VLB/PCI-Fast SCSI) 5.1.28/3.2.4
>
> scsi : 1 host.
> (scsi0:0:0:0) Synchronous at 10.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 15.
>   Vendor: YAMAHAModel: CRW6416S  Rev: 1.0c
>   Type:   CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
> Detected scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
> (scsi0:0:1:0) Synchronous at 20.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 8.
>   Vendor: PIONEER   Model: DVD-ROM DVD-303   Rev: 1.09
>   Type:   CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
> Detected scsi CD-ROM sr1 at scsi0, channel 0, id 1, lun 0
> (scsi0:0:3:0) Synchronous at 40.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 8.
>   Vendor: COMPAQModel: 3391SSRev: C70E
>   Type:   Direct-Access  ANSI SCSI revision: 02
> Detected scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 0
> (scsi0:0:4:0) Synchronous at 40.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 8.
>   Vendor: COMPAQModel: 3391SSRev: C424
>   Type:   Direct-Access  ANSI SCSI revision: 02
> Detected scsi disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id 4, lun 0
> scsi : detected 2 SCSI cdroms 2 SCSI disks total.
> sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 16x/16x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
> Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.07
> sr1: scsi3-mmc drive: 0x/0x cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
> SCSI device sda: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 17773500 [8678 MB]
> [8.7 GB]
> SCSI device sdb: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 17773500 [8678 MB]
> [8.7 GB]
>
> Rob
>
> "C. Falconer" wrote:
> >
> > Does your SCSI drive work if you try to mount it like a CDROM ?
>  Do you have any other SCSI devices (hard drive/another CD etc)
> >
> > Have you considered setting the scsi ID to something like 2
> through 5?  the card is often ID6.
> >
> > Can you please post the dmesg lines from boot that show what
> scsi devices are detected?
> >
> > --
> > From:   Rob Rati[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Reply To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent:   Tuesday, 23 May 2000 5:23 PM
> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > Subject:SCSI bus reset when burning
> >
> > My scsi bus appears to want to reset everytime I try to burn a CD.  My
> > dmesg log gets errors like this:
> >
> > scsi : aborting command due to timeout : pid 232511, scsi0, channel 0,
> > id 0, lun 0 0x2a 00 00 00 2f e0 00 00 10 00
> > (scsi0:0:0:0) Synchronous at 10.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 15.
> > scsi : aborting command due to timeout : pid 236020, scsi0, channel 0,
> > id 0, lun 0 0x2a 00 00 00 1f 30 00 00 10 00
> > (scsi0:0:0:0) Synchronous at 10.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 15.
> > scsi : aborting command due to timeout : pid 237829, scsi0, channel 0,
> > id 0, lun 0 0x2a 00 00 00 08 40 00 00 10 00
> > (scsi0:0:0:0) Synchronous at 10.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 15.
> >
> > Scsi id 0 is my burner, so it appears to be having some kind of
> > problem.  Does anyone know how to solve this or why the scsi bus wants
> > to reset?  Any help would be appreciated since I can't burn CDs until
> > this is figured out.  TIA.
> >
> > Rob
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Adaptec SCSI controller

[Mark Carroll]

I just picked up a cheap Adaptec AHA-1520B ISA SCSI controller. Do I stand
a chance of getting it working with my system (currently upgraded to
'frozen')? If so, which SCSI driver (kernel module, whatever) should I be
using? I haven't managed to get it to do anything so far; it'd be nice to
know that I'm attempting something that's possible. 

Thanks.

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Re: ip accounting

[Nathan E Norman]

On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 04:59:59PM +0200, Litzler Mihaly wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a Cisco1600 router connecting to an ISP.
> I would like to count the network traffic of this router, but not like the
> way of mrtg does, because I want to know all downloaded or uploaded MBs on
> all IP addresses in my C class using this router in a time period (for
> example in a month).
> 
> Has anyone a great idea about coping with this problem?

Isn't that going to be the amount of traffic passing through your
local interface?

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Re[2]: Simple Text Editor with Synatx highlighting?

[Steve Lamb]

Tuesday, May 23, 2000, 6:57:22 AM, Keith wrote:
> This leads to a question I've been interested in.  I've noticed vim's
> Perl syntax highlighting to be, hmmm, not always what it should be.  (As
> some have said, only perl can parse Perl).  Any opinions on which editor
> has the *best* Perl syntax highlighting?

Vim.  I've not seen a problem with its highlighting that didn't also
improve the readability of my code when I got in the habit of getting it to
colorize right.  The /only/ perl construct I know of that doesn't work is
something like this:

if ($foo =~ /bar\/blam/){
}

Vim would see the \/, see a / and mess up the colorization right there.
However, this fixes it:

if ($foo =~ m/bar\/blam/){
}

Adding the m works fine.  To me, explicitly stating a match is no big deal
for me.  If course, I also use parens like a zealot but bouncing on the % key
is so much fun.

foreach $file (sort(keys(%files))){
}

:)

One downside of vim that I just remembered, be careful the need for
slamming the ESC key.  Windows likes to think it means "shut this window NOW!"
and if you have the confirmation turned off you lose messages in your Windows
email client.  Normally I don't wack the ESC key unless I am doing code.  See
above.  ;)

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Re[2]: Simple Text Editor with Synatx highlighting?

[Steve Lamb]

Tuesday, May 23, 2000, 7:39:16 AM, Jesse wrote:
>> (X)Emacs with CPerl mode.

> Even that's not, hmmm, what it should be.  Cases that come to mind are
> certain regular expressions and here documents.  Unless I've been
> using a different Perl mode in Emacs.

Not to mention I fail to see how Emacs got into the discussion of "Simple
Text Editor..."  Lisp interpreters with dillusions of OShood doesn't meet any
of those three words.

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Re: dhcp

[Jens B. Jorgensen]

dhcp-client is indeed the package you want. Post the error messages you get 
during
install.

In order to run a gateway for your external interface you'll want to set up IP
Masquerading and then have all your other boxes point to your linux box as their
default gateway. In order to get IP Masq. going you'll need to get your kernel 
loading
the masq. modules and then configure the masquerading using ipfwadm or ipchains
depending on your kernel. Please look at the IP Masquerading HOWTO for details:
http://www.linux.org/help/ldp/howto/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO.html

John Plummer wrote:

> Hi,
> Sorry to bother you with another newbie question but
> hours searching man, info, HOWTO's and FAQ's wasn't
> too revealing.
> I have a PC with both a Netgear and a 3Com Etherlink
> II nic cards.  The Netgear is attached to a cablemodem
> and uses DHCP.  The 3Com is fixed IP for the internal
> LAN.  Both work under NT but I'm trying to switch to Debian.
> Loaded ver. 2.1 from the CD with dselect settings
> stable main contrib.  Added the 3Com during installation
> and later using modconf added a tulip module for the Netgear.
> This was implied from an email thread about the Netgear NIC.
> The problem is first how to get DHCP up and running so
> as not to have to switch back to the dark side to browse and
> do email.  Running dpkg --list 'dhcp*' listed a few dhcp entries,
> e.g. dhcp, dhcp-client, dhcp-beta, dhcpd, etc.  But both apt-get
> install dhcp-client and using dselect (probably incorrectly) erred
> out.  Can anyone point me to some docs on doing this?
> The second needed HOWTO would be setting up the
> gateway for the LAN through the 3Com.  At this point, even
> being pointed to the appropriate info, man or HOWTO would
> be appreciated.
> First brush with OS has been impressive.  Brings back the
> feeling of potential felt when discovering Sun's OS with
> Openwindows years ago.  Except this time the pieces are
> there and affordable.
> jcp
>
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Text editor with good Perl syntax highlighting (was Re: Re[2]: Simple Text Editor with Synatx highlighting?)

[John S Jacobs Anderson]

on 5/23/00 11:28 AM, Steve Lamb at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Not to mention I fail to see how Emacs got into the discussion of "Simple
> Text Editor..."  Lisp interpreters with dillusions of OShood doesn't meet any
> of those three words.

Go back and read the text you snipped. The question got changed to "text
editor with best Perl syntax highlighting", without a concomitant change in
subject line. (X)Emacs certainly qualifies, despite it's editing functions
being only a subset of it's full functionality.

That said, could we pretty please with sugared bits on it not have this
flame fest again?

john.

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Perl syntax highlighting in (X)Emacs (was Re: Simple Text Editor with Synatx highlighting?)

[John S Jacobs Anderson]

>> (X)Emacs with CPerl mode.
> 
> Even that's not, hmmm, what it should be.  Cases that come to mind are
> certain regular expressions and here documents.  Unless I've been
> using a different Perl mode in Emacs.

I haven't noticed any issues, but I don't make huge usage of here documents,
and I tend towards non-standard bracketing for regexps, which means I do
explict 'm's for matching. Those two factors might explain why I think it's
satisfactory.

OTOH, IIRC, there is a setting for how 'robust' the syntax parser tries to
be; it's a time/speed tradeoff. I _think_ the default may be less than
completely stringent. If you're really interested, M-x customize RET
cperl-mode should tell all, at least in XEmacs.

john.

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Re: Adaptec SCSI controller

[Ron Rademaker]

In the kernel is a driver for the aha 152x, so it should work. 
In other words you stand a chance and it is possible!

Ron Rademaker

On Tue, 23 May 2000, Mark Carroll wrote:

> I just picked up a cheap Adaptec AHA-1520B ISA SCSI controller. Do I stand
> a chance of getting it working with my system (currently upgraded to
> 'frozen')? If so, which SCSI driver (kernel module, whatever) should I be
> using? I haven't managed to get it to do anything so far; it'd be nice to
> know that I'm attempting something that's possible. 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> -- Mark
> 
> 
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Re: scsi disk question: u2w vs. uw

[John Gould]

Yes, I believe you can. You can set the transfer speed in the
setup of the AHA2940 card from CNTRL-A at boot up. You can also use SCA
drives with either UW or U2W, if you can obtain these. They have 80 pins
and need external termination and ID setting, but there is an adaptor that
you can buy for around 12 pounds (sterling) that allows connection at
either 50 pin or 68 pin. It also allows you to set the ID. 
Also see 'http://ask.adaptec.com/cgi-bin/tic/faq'

This is what Adaptec say about the different types of drives:-

What's the difference between SCSI-1, SCSI-2, Fast, Wide,Ultra Wide,
and Ultra2? (Article #990426-0019)

   Description:
   What is the difference between SCSI-1, SCSI-2, Fast, Wide,
   Ultra Wide, and Ultra2?


   This information applies to the following product(s):
   - 1505 series, 1510 series, 1515, 1520 series, 1530p, 1540 series,
   2902, 2906 series, 2910 series, 2920 series, 2930 series,
   2940 series, 3940 series, 2940U2W series, 2930U2 series, 3950U2 series

   This information applies to the following Operating System(s):
   - All/PC, Mac OS

   Solution:
   The primary difference is in the command set used in the SCSI
   standard and the bandwidth, or maximum available speed of the devices.

   SCSI-1 5MB/Sec 8 bit SCSI bus 
   SCSI-2 5MB/Sec 8 bit SCSI bus 
   SCSI-2 Fast 10MB/Sec 8 bit SCSI bus 
   SCSI-2 Fast Wide 20MB/Sec 16 bit SCSI bus 
   SCSI Ultra 20MB/Sec 8 bit SCSI bus 
   SCSI Ultra Wide 40MB/Sec 16 bit SCSI bus 
   Ultra2 Wide 80MB/sec 16 bit SCSI bus 

   Ultra2 speeds are available only when a Ultra2 host adapter is
   connected to Low Voltage Differential (LVD) devices on the LVD/SE
   port. If a single-ended (SE) wide or narrow SCSI-2 device is connected
   to the LVD/SE port, the performance for all devices reverts to SCSI
   Ultra. 


HTH JohnG


32865e97b5342e762ab140e00f3da23b - Just 'Debian'


On Tue, 23 May 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On Tue, 23 May 2000, John Gould wrote:
> 
> > Sorry, but this is rubbish! The SCSI controller will have no effect on the
> > disk rotational velocity. However this is not what the poster asked! If
> > you put an Ultra 2 wide on a non wide channel the transfers will be eight
> > bits at a time instead of 16, i.e. half the speed, but it will work
> > fine. Some cards like the AHA2940UW have a wide and a narrow channel, if
> > the Ultra wide disk is put on the UW channel and the Ultra disk is on the
> > standard channel there will be no effect on performance.
> > 
> > HTH JohnG
> 
> On a somewhat related note.. I have a 2940UW.  Can I use a 50 pin Ultra2
> drive on the 50 pin Narrow channel?  I know I wouldn't get U2 speeds, but
> the 50 pin narrow channel is all I have to use.  68 pin UW is too
> expensive and hard to find these days.  I can find 50 pin Ultra2
> 18 gig drives for pretty cheap.  Thanks.
> 
>   Ian
> 
> 
> 
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dselect error (sorry for the repeat)

[Brent McMillan]

I'm sorry for posting this question as I know it has been asked
recently, but I can't find it in the archives or my inbox.  I just tried
to install a few packages using dselect.  dselect is set up to grab the
packages off a cd.  As far as I know I've done nothing differently,
however, I when I hit Install, my CDROM spins up and then dselect gives
me the message:

internal error - no filename at -e line 12,  chunk 15.

installation script returned error exit status 1.
Press RETURN to continue.

Does any one know what my problem would be?

gs, wmaker debs? (was: Re: XFree86 4.0 debs ?)

[Philip Lehman]

On Tue, 23 May 2000, James Sleeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I would like to install XFree 4.0 on my potato machine, are there debs
>available yet, or not too far off ?  I couldn't even see 4.0 ones in Woody.

Take a look at http://www.debian.org/~branden/plans.txt. It seems like
the move to the new architecture is non-trivial (haven't tried it
myself).

A similar question: I've been looking for debs of gs 6.0 and wmaker
0.62. Both are out for quite some time now, but they're not even in
woody. Is this because all maintainers are busy getting potato out?
I've built wmaker and libproplist myself and it works right out of the
box on potato. Merely a matter of half an hour (not flaming or
anything, I'm just curious).

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FTP and GNOME

[Camilo Alejandro Arboleda]

Hi:

I'm not sure if it's an off-topic, but I want to create an icon to an
FTP address in the GNOME desktop, but I can't. If I create a URL
pointing to an FTP site, I get a Netscape window, and actually I expect
to get a GMC window.

I know that GMC has FTP support, and it's possible to create an FTP
access in KDE (and in OS/2).

Thanks,

Camilo Alejandro

PS. I have no subscription to the list, so write me directly, please :)


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Version Of Debian

[Jay Kelly]

Hello All,
What Version on of Debian should I be using. Is there a big difference from
Slink to Potato to Frozen? Any seuggestion would be great

Re: scsi disk question: u2w vs. uw

[ferret]

Isn't ultra2 usually LVD interface? If it is LVD you probably won't be
able to use it on the narrow channel. If it isn't LVD, where do you find
these drives?

On Tue, 23 May 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On Tue, 23 May 2000, John Gould wrote:
> 
> > Sorry, but this is rubbish! The SCSI controller will have no effect on the
> > disk rotational velocity. However this is not what the poster asked! If
> > you put an Ultra 2 wide on a non wide channel the transfers will be eight
> > bits at a time instead of 16, i.e. half the speed, but it will work
> > fine. Some cards like the AHA2940UW have a wide and a narrow channel, if
> > the Ultra wide disk is put on the UW channel and the Ultra disk is on the
> > standard channel there will be no effect on performance.
> > 
> > HTH JohnG
> 
> On a somewhat related note.. I have a 2940UW.  Can I use a 50 pin Ultra2
> drive on the 50 pin Narrow channel?  I know I wouldn't get U2 speeds, but
> the 50 pin narrow channel is all I have to use.  68 pin UW is too
> expensive and hard to find these days.  I can find 50 pin Ultra2
> 18 gig drives for pretty cheap.  Thanks.
> 
>   Ian
> 
> 
> 
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Debian GNU/Linux

[TheChucklinTrain]

If i download this program do i risk crashing windows?

Re: Version Of Debian

[Ray Olszewski]

At 09:33 AM 5/23/00 -0700, Jay Kelly wrote:
>Hello All,
>What Version on of Debian should I be using. Is there a big difference from
>Slink to Potato to Frozen? Any seuggestion would be great

There is no one "should". The reason why there are different distributions
is because they fit different needs. What are yours?

Yes, there are big differences among them.

"Never tell me the odds!"---
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Palo Alto, CA[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Version Of Debian

[Ron Rademaker]

First of all potato == frozen and has a lot more packages to choose from
compared to slink, I would advice you to use potato, except if you need a
really stable and secure system, I don't have stability security problems
with potato, but slink is the official stable and it might be more stable.

Ron Rademaker

On Tue, 23 May 2000, Jay Kelly wrote:

> Hello All,
> What Version on of Debian should I be using. Is there a big difference from
> Slink to Potato to Frozen? Any seuggestion would be great
> 
> 
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Re: Debian GNU/Linux

[Ron Rademaker]

Using windows is risking to crash windows ;))
But with downloading debian you don't risk more or less than when
downloading any other thing.

Ron Rademaker


On Tue, 23 May 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> If i download this program do i risk crashing windows?
> 
> 
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Re: Debian GNU/Linux

[Davide Libenzi]

> If i download this program do i risk crashing windows?

For sure, meant that Windows will not ever run on Your machine ;)



Davide

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Re: dselect error (sorry for the repeat)

[Ron Rademaker]

Looks like a bug in some script used by dselect where the existing of a
file is testing, but there is no file to test for its existence.

Ron Rademaker

On Tue, 23 May 2000, Brent McMillan wrote:

> I'm sorry for posting this question as I know it has been asked
> recently, but I can't find it in the archives or my inbox.  I just tried
> to install a few packages using dselect.  dselect is set up to grab the
> packages off a cd.  As far as I know I've done nothing differently,
> however, I when I hit Install, my CDROM spins up and then dselect gives
> me the message:
> 
> internal error - no filename at -e line 12,  chunk 15.
> 
> installation script returned error exit status 1.
> Press RETURN to continue.
> 
> Does any one know what my problem would be?
> 
> 
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cd-rw for old cdrom drivers (8x)

[Mario Olimpio de Menezes]

Hi,

I've burned a potato image (disk 2) on a cd-rw disk. 
What cdrecord options should I use in order to make the disk
readable by olders cdrom drivers (8x, 4x, 16x, etc)?
I've tried in a 8x and wasn't able to read even it works fine on
a 44x one.
Thanks,

[]s,
Mario O.de Menezes"Many are the plans in a man's heart, but
IPEN-CNEN/SP is the Lord's purpose that prevails"
http://curiango.ipen.br/~mario Prov. 19.21
   http://www.revistalinux.com.br

Re: Version Of Debian

[Colin Watson]

Jay Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>What Version on of Debian should I be using. Is there a big difference from
>Slink to Potato to Frozen? Any seuggestion would be great

First off, potato is the same as frozen ...

The distributions are:

slink = stable = 2.1
potato = frozen = future 2.2
woody = unstable = future 2.3

Now, the stable/frozen/unstable names are intended to suggest how often
they change more than how buggy they are. If you want a solidly tested
distribution, slink is the one to go for, but it's rather old now.
potato is more current and is *almost* ready for release; if you don't
know which you should be using then you probably ought not to be trying
woody just yet.

There are a massive number of improvements from slink to potato: apart
from anything else, there's something like twice the number of packages
in potato, and as far as I can tell the quality's only improving.
Generally speaking I think I'd now recommend that most people start
using potato, though it does depend on what you need.

-- 
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power saving on my desktop...

[Matthew Wilson Emmett]

Hello all,

I'd like to have my desktop save power after 30min of inactivity.
I've managed to do this before, but I lost my overnight cron jobs, and
the clock always got skewed.

Does anyone have any experience with this?  Any good tips or
suggestions?

Thanks,
Matt

Re: Debian GNU/Linux

[Ray Olszewski]

At 12:40 PM 5/23/00 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>If i download this program do i risk crashing windows?

Probably. In my experience, any time you do *anything* with Windows, you
risk crashing it.

But that's probably not what you meant. Downloading isn't the issue -- a
Debian download is no different from any other download to Windows.
Installing is the issue. 

You have to take more care when installing dual-boot systems than Linux-only
systems. There's a dual-boot HowTo -- I forget the exact name -- at
www.linuxdoc.org that you should read before trying to have a single
computer run both WinXX and any Linux distribution.


"Never tell me the odds!"---
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Palo Alto, CA[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: OT. Debian w/s in schools - info needed.

[Michael Janssen \(CS/MATH stud.\)]

Message from Lindsay Allen at 23/05/00 09:54:58PM:
> 
> I'm a very inexpert sysadmin who assists at a local school.  We have a
> Debian box now for mail, squid, modem server and so on and they are very
> receptive to the idea of running Linux workstations and eventually
> breaking away from you-know-who.
> 
> Possibilities:
>   Booting Debian from the server.
>   Home DIRs on a Debian/Samba box.
>   Home DIRs on a straight Debian box.
>   Using NFS mounted applications.  (Star Office etc.)
>   Using X in lieu of NFS and running things on the server.
> 
> All this is way outside my experience so I really could use some help.
> 
> Can anyone give me some URLs for information on how to set things up, or
> people to talk to?
> 
> Lindsay

In my school, we keep the home dirs on a NFS server (which, incidentally, 
doesn't allow logins) and the autofs options to mount home directories
"on the fly".  We also use NIS+ to keep all of our user data in line, 
which makes it alot easier.  I would not suggest using NIS+ though, 
because Debian support is not good at this time.  NIS works good, but 
is an insecure protocol.  Possibly look into OpenLDAP w/SSL for username
lookups? (We're looking into that ourselves lately).  Here, we found it 
easier to install all the applications locally with apt-get.  After I 
finish the first station, I put an image (dd | bzip2 -) up on the 
network and then use my specialized version of tomsrtbt to image the 
systems from a NFS mount. 

Hope this helps.
Michael Janssen - Jamuraa
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: scsi disk question: u2w vs. uw

[Peter S Galbraith]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Isn't ultra2 usually LVD interface? If it is LVD you probably won't be
> able to use it on the narrow channel. 

Not true.

My Seagate Barracuda ST39173LW is LVD and works fine on my 50 pin 
2940U adapter (using to 68-to-50 pin adapter).

 (scsi0)  found at PCI 18/0 
 (scsi0) Narrow Channel, SCSI ID=7, 16/255 SCBs 
 scsi0 : Adaptec AHA274x/284x/294x (EISA/VLB/PCI-Fast SCSI) 5.1.11/3.2.4 
 
 scsi1 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices 
 scsi : 2 hosts. 
   Vendor: COMPAQPC  Model: ST34371N  Rev: 0472 
   Type:   Direct-Access  ANSI SCSI revision: 02 
 Detected scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 
 (scsi0:0:0:0) Synchronous at 20.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 15. 
   Vendor: SEAGATE   Model: ST39173LW Rev: 6246 
   Type:   Direct-Access  ANSI SCSI revision: 02 
[cut]

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Re: Simple Text Editor with Synatx highlighting?

[Frank Barknecht]

Steve Lamb hat gesagt: // Steve Lamb wrote:

> Vim.  I've not seen a problem with its highlighting that didn't also
> improve the readability of my code when I got in the habit of getting it to
> colorize right.  The /only/ perl construct I know of that doesn't work is
> something like this:
> 
> if ($foo =~ /bar\/blam/){
> }
> 
> Vim would see the \/, see a / and mess up the colorization right there.
> However, this fixes it:
> 
> if ($foo =~ m/bar\/blam/){
> }
> 

Hey, no problem here with highlighting that code snippet using

VIM - Vi IMproved 5.6 (2000 Jan 16, compiled Feb 10 2000 17:28:27) 
(official wichert debian package)

Regardless if you set or omit the "m" Vim colorizes this fine. Even some
old syntax bugs with here docs have been fixed for some time now. So I
would really recommend VIM for perl, too.

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Re[2]: Version Of Debian

[Steve Lamb]

Tuesday, May 23, 2000, 9:46:23 AM, Ron wrote:
> First of all potato == frozen and has a lot more packages to choose from
> compared to slink, I would advice you to use potato, except if you need a
> really stable and secure system, I don't have stability security problems
> with potato, but slink is the official stable and it might be more stable.

Actually, I'd recommend staying away from potato right now.  There seems
to be a problem with the initial run of apt (or whatever package retrieval you
use) that causes a bad libc to be loaded.  I've not looked into any
workarounds that the developers may have found yet bit it is constantly hosing
a potato system I am trying to install at home.

The slink install went great and the one potato system I do have (server)
is also working great.  Just the install is sucking.  Hate it when apt-get,
dpkg, rm, etc all fail.  :/

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Re: Text editor with good Perl syntax highlighting (was Re: Re[2]: Simple Text Editor with Synatx highlighting?)

[Steve Lamb]

Tuesday, May 23, 2000, 8:41:46 AM, John wrote:
> Go back and read the text you snipped. The question got changed to "text
> editor with best Perl syntax highlighting", without a concomitant change in
> subject line. (X)Emacs certainly qualifies, despite it's editing functions
> being only a subset of it's full functionality.

Right, because were are still on simple editor.  Again, I fail to see how
Emacs qualifies since it isn't simple nor is it a text editor.

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Re[2]: Simple Text Editor with Synatx highlighting?

[Steve Lamb]

Tuesday, May 23, 2000, 10:21:36 AM, Frank wrote:
> Hey, no problem here with highlighting that code snippet using

> VIM - Vi IMproved 5.6 (2000 Jan 16, compiled Feb 10 2000 17:28:27) 
> (official wichert debian package)

Hmmm.  I guess I'm just set in my ways because...

work:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/www/webmaster/usr/websupport/bin/quota} vim -h
VIM - Vi IMproved 5.0 (1998 Feb 19, compiled Mar 12 1998 14:23:51)

home:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~} vim -h
VIM - Vi IMproved 5.6 (2000 Jan 16, compiled May  1 2000 16:14:28)

Thanks for pointing out my omission.  :)


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Re: Text editor with good Perl syntax highlighting (was Re: Re[2]: Simple Text Editor with Synatx highlighting?)

[John S Jacobs Anderson]

on 5/23/00 1:37 PM, Steve Lamb at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Right, because were are still on simple editor.  Again, I fail to see how
> Emacs qualifies since it isn't simple nor is it a text editor.

(Please note that I changed the subject line a couple messages back, to
remove the 'simple'.)

Have you perhaps never used emacs?

Saying emacs isn't a text editor is like saying that a Leatherman isn't a
pocket knife -- it may be literally true, but is extremely misleading in
fact.

john.

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Re[2]: Text editor with good Perl syntax highlighting (was Re: Re[2]: Simple Text Editor with Synatx highlighting?)

[Steve Lamb]

Tuesday, May 23, 2000, 10:46:21 AM, John wrote:
> Have you perhaps never used emacs?

I have.

> Saying emacs isn't a text editor is like saying that a Leatherman isn't a
> pocket knife -- it may be literally true, but is extremely misleading in
> fact.

Hey, don't tell me.  Tell all the Emacs people who keep telling me it
isn't a text editor.  I've been told it is:

A lisp interpreter
A workspace environment
A religion

Not once have they told me it was a text editor.  Got a beef, convert
them.

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Re: Re[2]: Version Of Debian

[Ron Rademaker]

I've had no problems with installing potato, however upgrading has been a
pain in the ass.

Ron Rademaker

On Tue, 23 May 2000, Steve Lamb wrote:

> Tuesday, May 23, 2000, 9:46:23 AM, Ron wrote:
> > First of all potato == frozen and has a lot more packages to choose from
> > compared to slink, I would advice you to use potato, except if you need a
> > really stable and secure system, I don't have stability security problems
> > with potato, but slink is the official stable and it might be more stable.
> 
> Actually, I'd recommend staying away from potato right now.  There seems
> to be a problem with the initial run of apt (or whatever package retrieval you
> use) that causes a bad libc to be loaded.  I've not looked into any
> workarounds that the developers may have found yet bit it is constantly hosing
> a potato system I am trying to install at home.
> 
> The slink install went great and the one potato system I do have (server)
> is also working great.  Just the install is sucking.  Hate it when apt-get,
> dpkg, rm, etc all fail.  :/
> 
> -- 
>  Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your
>  ICQ: 5107343  | main connection to the switchboard of souls.
> ---+-
> 
> 

Re: Re[2]: Text editor with good Perl syntax highlighting (was Re: Re[2]: Simple Text Editor with Synatx highlighting?)

[John S Jacobs Anderson]

on 5/23/00 1:49 PM, Steve Lamb at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Tuesday, May 23, 2000, 10:46:21 AM, John wrote:

>> Saying emacs isn't a text editor is like saying that a Leatherman isn't a
>> pocket knife -- it may be literally true, but is extremely misleading in
>> fact.
> 
> Hey, don't tell me.  Tell all the Emacs people who keep telling me it
> isn't a text editor.

My final word on the subject:

I haven't seen anybody other than you say that Emacs isn't a text editor. I
have seen many people say it isn't _just_ a text editor (or words to that
effect). 

Those two statements are _not_ equivalent.

john.

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Re: ip accounting

[Robert Waldner]

Cisco´s have a built-in accounting capability. Simply enable "ip
accounting output-packets" an all interfaces (eg Ethernet0 and
(Serial0 or BRI0)). Then write a simple script that telnets to the
cisco, enables, and does "show ip accounting". Et voila, all you
have left now is the aggregation of the numbers (which is the
part most complicated imho).

hth,
&rw

On Tue, 23 May 2000 16:59:59 +0200, "Litzler Mihaly" writes:
>Hi,
>
>I have a Cisco1600 router connecting to an ISP.
>I would like to count the network traffic of this router, but not like the
>way of mrtg does, because I want to know all downloaded or uploaded MBs on
>all IP addresses in my C class using this router in a time period (for
>example in a month).
>
>Has anyone a great idea about coping with this problem?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mihaly Litzler


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Re: Version Of Debian

[Anthony Campbell]

On 23 May 2000, Colin Watson wrote:
> Jay Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >What Version on of Debian should I be using. Is there a big difference from
> >Slink to Potato to Frozen? Any seuggestion would be great
> 
> First off, potato is the same as frozen ...
> 
> The distributions are:
> 
> slink = stable = 2.1
> potato = frozen = future 2.2
> woody = unstable = future 2.3
> 
> Now, the stable/frozen/unstable names are intended to suggest how often
> they change more than how buggy they are. If you want a solidly tested
> distribution, slink is the one to go for, but it's rather old now.
> potato is more current and is *almost* ready for release; if you don't
> know which you should be using then you probably ought not to be trying
> woody just yet.
> 
> There are a massive number of improvements from slink to potato: apart
> from anything else, there's something like twice the number of packages
> in potato, and as far as I can tell the quality's only improving.
> Generally speaking I think I'd now recommend that most people start
> using potato, though it does depend on what you need.
> 
> -- 
> Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 

Those of us who don't have toll-free telephone facilities don't have
much of a choice; we have to wait until potato becomes stable and we can
get CDs of it.

Anthony


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I.A. Richards

So much for wishful thinking...

[t.bedlam]

Amazing how these things start. :)

Well, Steve, I hope this teaches you there is no such thing as a friendly
joke when Emacs is in the line. (So to speak.) If the FSF or the GPL did not
exists, Emacs would still be a tax-deductible charity.

(...under the bill of rights...)

On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 02:06:38PM -0400, John S Jacobs Anderson was only 
   escaped alone to tell thee:

> I haven't seen anybody other than you say that Emacs isn't a text editor. I
> have seen many people say it isn't _just_ a text editor (or words to that
> effect). 
> 
> Those two statements are _not_ equivalent.

But this is: if Emacs is a text editor, a Caterpiller is an SUV; a chopped
Hog, a scooter.

Cram that down the throats of the DMV. 

Or the Hell's Angels.

If Emacs is a text editor(/development environment/mailreader/psychologist)
so was WordPerfect 5.1+. But if children become adults, and not large 
children, text editors become word processors.

Hey--some of my favorite authors use Emacs. I don't. So if you wish to argue,
I'll try and fight back, but not very hard. I dislike hurt feelings.

I am curious about one thing, though. Why is Richard Stallman trying to 
duplicate an OS whose central philosophy (one job, one purpose, one tool, and 
infinite ways to combine them) is seemingly so alien to his signature work?

-- 
Like all generalizations, this one is a little off, too.

Re: Simple Text Editor with Synatx highlighting?

[Mats Rynge]

Steve Lamb wrote:

> Not to mention I fail to see how Emacs got into the discussion of "Simple
> Text Editor..."  Lisp interpreters with dillusions of OShood doesn't meet any
> of those three words.

Fox X I would use Nedit. Very easy to use and great highlighting. Actually, 
this is
the only one I have found that does php+html nicely. Check out 
http://www.nedit.org/
for the latest version (some nice improvements over the one in potato) and extra
highlight pattern files.

/Mats

Re: power saving on my desktop...

[Philip Lehman]

On 23 May 2000, Matthew Wilson Emmett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I'd like to have my desktop save power after 30min of inactivity.
>I've managed to do this before, but I lost my overnight cron jobs, and
>the clock always got skewed.

Do you want that when you're in X or on the console? Three things to
consider:

1. Configure and activate APM in your BIOS, compile kernel with APM
support (you probably did that already).

2. Install the apmd package (no need to actually run the apm*d*, all
you need is apm) and run 'apm -s' or 'apm -S' as needed. Is that what
you used a cron job for? Would be unusual.

3. Configure X properly (set timeouts and define "power_saver") and
run 'xset dpms' from .xinit.

-- 
Philip Lehman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

kdm

[Kendall Shaw]

I'm running potato. When I run kdm, it doesn't read my .xsession file. How
can I correct this?

Also, some of the instructions given for installing kdm don't fit with the
debian file layout. Where can I read about debian's X file structure? It's
especially difficult because KDE doesn't seem to offer a man page for kdm,
and debian doesn't seem to offer a man page for xdm.

Kendall

Re: RFC - corel installation

[David Wright]

Quoting Dominic Blythe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

> Any body else ever had problems with corel installation?

It might be worth posting this to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
with the modified subject line (because RFC is jargon for
something else).

Cheers,

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official stationery. Views expressed here are either my own or plagiarised.

Re: kdm

[Oswald Buddenhagen]

> I'm running potato. When I run kdm, it doesn't read my .xsession file. How
> can I correct this?
> 
in /etc/X11/Xsession.options:
allow-user-xsession
should do the job.

> Also, some of the instructions given for installing kdm don't fit with the
> debian file layout. Where can I read about debian's X file structure? It's
always look in /etc for config files, /etc/X11 for x apps in particular.
> especially difficult because KDE doesn't seem to offer a man page for kdm,
that's one of the things i hate about kde ... of course, they have nice
html docus (at least some programms). but no man sucks ...
> and debian doesn't seem to offer a man page for xdm.
is xdm installed on your system?

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root can't view manpages

[Brian Stults]

For some reason, root cannot view manpages.  If I type "man ls" as root,
I get the following:

man: can't create a temporary filename: Permission denied

It works fine as an ordinary user.  I did an strace on the command, but
I'm not sure what to make of it.  I've included the output below.  If
anyone could take a look and give me some suggestions, I would really
appreciate it.

Thanks,
Brian
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Doctoral Candidate
Department of Sociology
University at Albany - SUNY
Phone: (518) 442-4652  Fax: (518) 442-4936
Web: http://www.albany.edu/~bs7452

Re: Debian GNU/Linux

[John Foster]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> If i download this program do i risk crashing windows?

Isn't that a "risk" that you take every time you start Windows?  :-))
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We specialize in multiprocessor units. 
We install Debian Linux at no extra charge!

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root can't view manpages (incl. strace)

[Brian Stults]

For some reason, root cannot view manpages.  If I type "man ls" as root,
I get the following:

man: can't create a temporary filename: Permission denied

It works fine as an ordinary user.  I did an strace on the command, but
I'm not sure what to make of it.  I've included the output below.  If
anyone could take a look and give me some suggestions, I would really
appreciate it.

Thanks,
Brian

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Doctoral Candidate
Department of Sociology
University at Albany - SUNY
Phone: (518) 442-4652  Fax: (518) 442-4936
Web: http://www.albany.edu/~bs7452



execve("/usr/bin/man", ["man", "ls"], [/* 32 vars */]) = 0
brk(0)  = 0x8049c98
open("/etc/ld.so.preload", O_RDONLY)= -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
open("/etc/ld.so.cache", O_RDONLY)  = 3
fstat(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=26560, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 26560, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x40014000
close(3)= 0
open("/usr/local/lib/libc.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3
fstat(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=4107028, ...}) = 0
read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\260\206"...,
4096) = 4096
old_mmap(NULL, 969980, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) =
0x4001b000
mprotect(0x40101000, 27900, PROT_NONE)  = 0
old_mmap(0x40101000, 16384, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED,
3, 0xe5000) = 0x40101000
old_mmap(0x40105000, 11516, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,
MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40105000
close(3)= 0
open("/usr/local/lib/libdb.so.3", O_RDONLY) = 3
fstat(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=808948, ...}) = 0
read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0p<\0\000"...,
4096) = 4096
old_mmap(NULL, 243708, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) =
0x40108000
mprotect(0x40143000, 2044, PROT_NONE)   = 0
old_mmap(0x40143000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED,
3, 0x3a000) = 0x40143000
close(3)= 0
mprotect(0x4001b000, 942080, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE) = 0
mprotect(0x4001b000, 942080, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC) = 0
munmap(0x40014000, 26560)   = 0
personality(PER_LINUX)  = 0
getpid()= 10932
brk(0)  = 0x8049c98
brk(0x8049e38)  = 0x8049e38
brk(0x804a000)  = 0x804a000
getuid()= 0
brk(0x804b000)  = 0x804b000
socket(PF_UNIX, SOCK_STREAM, 0) = 3
connect(3, {sin_family=AF_UNIX,
path="  

/var/run/.nscd_socket"}, 110) = -1 ECONNREFUSED (Connection refused)
close(3)= 0
open("/etc/nsswitch.conf", O_RDONLY)= 3
fstat(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0555, st_size=465, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS,
-1, 0) = 0x40014000
read(3, "# /etc/nsswitch.conf\n#\n# Example"..., 4096) = 465
read(3, "", 4096)   = 0
close(3)= 0
munmap(0x40014000, 4096)= 0
open("/etc/ld.so.cache", O_RDONLY)  = 3
fstat(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=26560, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 26560, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x40014000
close(3)= 0
open("/lib/libnss_compat.so.2", O_RDONLY) = 3
fstat(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=41340, ...}) = 0
read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\\31\0"...,
4096) = 4096
old_mmap(NULL, 44364, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) =
0x40144000
mprotect(0x4014e000, 3404, PROT_NONE)   = 0
old_mmap(0x4014e000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED,
3, 0x9000) = 0x4014e000
close(3)= 0
open("/lib/libnsl.so.1", O_RDONLY)  = 3
fstat(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=76080, ...}) = 0
read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\360?\0"...,
4096) = 4096
old_mmap(NULL, 88296, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) =
0x4014f000
mprotect(0x40161000, 14568, PROT_NONE)  = 0
old_mmap(0x40161000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED,
3, 0x11000) = 0x40161000
old_mmap(0x40163000, 6376, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,
MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40163000
close(3)= 0
munmap(0x40014000, 26560)   = 0
uname({sys="Linux", node="seldon", ...}) = 0
open("/etc/passwd", O_RDONLY)   = 3
fcntl(3, F_GETFD)   = 0
fcntl(3, F_SETFD, FD_CLOEXEC)   = 0
fstat(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=1574, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS,
-1, 0) = 0x40014000
_llseek(3, 0, [0], SEEK_CUR)= 0
read(3, "root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash\n"..., 4096) = 1574
close(3)= 0
munmap(0x40014000, 4096)= 0
setgid(100) = 0
open("/etc/group", O_RDONLY)= 3
fcntl(

Auto starting a script

[A. Scott White]

The following are the pertinent sections a script (and the script it calls)
which I want to auto start for run levels 2-5. startup.sh simply calls
tomcat.sh with a "start" parameter.

Questions:
 - Can I accomplish this by simply placing a symbolic link to
   startup.sh called S99tomcat in rc[2-5].d?

 - If I do that, what user will it run as (i.e. where do I set
   the pertinent environment setting like the Java CLASSPATH?)

Thanks for any answers. Here are the scripts:

startup.sh
=
#! /bin/sh
BASEDIR=`dirname $0`
$BASEDIR/tomcat.sh start "$@"
=

tomcat.sh
=
#!/bin/sh
if [ "$1" = "start" ] ; then
  shift
  echo Using classpath: ${CLASSPATH}
  $JAVACMD  -Dtomcat.home=${TOMCAT_HOME} \
org.apache.tomcat.startup.Tomcat "$@" &
elif [ "$1" = "stop" ] ; then
  shift
  echo Using classpath: ${CLASSPATH}
  $JAVACMD  -Dtomcat.home=${TOMCAT_HOME} \
org.apache.tomcat.startup.Tomcat -stop "$@"
fi
=


A. Scott White
Director of Information Systems and Product Strategy
ACS Healthcare Solutions Group