Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf 7 location
* Martin Wuertele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060711 23:14]: > could you please announce it and maybe coordinate on > [EMAIL PROTECTED] -evens- ;) Yours sincerely, Alexander -- http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Andreas Schuldei resigned - Restructure of the DebConf Team
On 10713 March 1977, Holger Levsen wrote:
> I also like to keep lots of things like they were, because they worked well.
Sure.
> But I dont like neither this rush now nor Jörg's proposed structure.
Propose something better.
> Jörg, I know you only send a proposal and you meant it as such. But that you
> needed three posts for it,
You need to learn to count. I only had 2 with the addition about
Alex. The third you may count is the announcement of Andreas leaving.
> to see more involved (e.g. Gunnar, Marga, Alphascorpii, maybe Safir
> ("maybe" because I dont know if he wants to) & $you and probably
> someone else!)
First this is only a proposal and everyone is free to propose something
better. I only like it because parts of DC6 already worked like this.
And I dont want to mention every team member. This is only for a
"Coordinators" group, which should have the most important parts of
DebConf in and not have too many people, so it still works for
decisions. This *does* *not* mean that the rest that is unmentioned is
either unimportant or not part of the team or something like that.
(Oh, and btw Gunnar was happy to stay involved but not get mentioned.)
> - of course this would be easily fixable: 3 mails is no issue at all,
> make Moray head of localteam and nominate those people I mentioned
> here as "Seconds In Charge" (2ICs ;)
Moray is head of localteam, Maulkin is interface to it.
--
bye Joerg
dvdbackup (0.1.1-7) unstable; urgency=medium
.
* The wiki-wacky-oaxtepec release
pgpTUF1c7YSXt.pgp
Description: PGP signature
___
Debconf-team mailing list
Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org
http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf8, 9++ locations...
Hi! * Christian Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060712 06:08]: Checked from Frankfurt-Rhein-Main (FRA) with expedia.de (don't know, if that is the cheapest or best search engine for flights; it's surely the only one I can remember ;) I searched for a flight on 22.08. and back at the 30.08., too. > By experience, prices should be similar from other major hubs in > Europe at least for NRT and KIX. >CDG <-NRT 832.00 FRA <-> NRT 828,59 EUR >CDG <-CTS 1274.00 FRA <-> CTS 980,35 EUR >CDG <-KIX 951.00 FRA <-> KIX 736,03 EUR >CDG <-OKA 1633.00 FRA <-> OKA 1.485,83 EUR Interesting... some of the flights are from Air France and I would need to change my plane at CDG... are cheaper than your flights direclty from CDG ;) Yours sincerely, Alexander -- http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Andreas Schuldei resigned - Restructure of the DebConf Team
On di, 2006-07-11 at 23:29 +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > So, for areas and people out there which I propose, in no particular > order, for this (and whatever i missed - please add): > > - Technic, Admin & Co: > Joerg Jaspert (Ganneff) > > - Talks & similar: > Alexander Schmehl (tolimar) > > - Localteam (changes yearly): > Neil McGovern (maulkin) > > - Website related: > Neil McGovern (maulkin) > > - Videoteam: > Holger Levsen (h01ger) A list of areas of responsibilities is indeed very important. But I do suggest not to create a team in a team. Some people are responsible for a certain area and might decide to keep their own meeting with their own assembled team. But anything else needs to be decided by everybody involved. IMHO openness is the key. If openness and clarity are key aspects of organising DC, it makes sense to have names listed for each team as well. E.g. who is on the video-team and such and so on. And anything else that needs to be done to keep the whole process transparent. Several other posts/areas of responsibilites I see missing from your current proposal: * Secretary (1 or two people) Announces meetings, posts logs and write minutes when needed * Treasurer (one person) Preferably somebody from the local team. This person will take care of budgetting, keeping a ledger, sending invoices, paying bills, taking care of travel reimbursments, etc. etc. This can become a heavy task. * Main organisor (one or two people) One or two persons ensuring the whole process proceeds as planned. They keep track of the total picture, identify potential problems early on and manage the total team in general. * Conference administration (team) Takes care of registrations before and during DebConf, is reponsible for assinging bedrooms and such. Would ensure the reception is manned or communicate with existing receptions in hotels and such. And any other aspect concerning participants and their basic needs. At the moment I can't come up with more sensible roles, but there might be some others as well. Just my 2 cts, -Aschwin ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Andreas Schuldei resigned - Restructure of the DebConf Team
Ah, and as mentioned already: * Sponsorship dude (one person or team) Takes care of gathering money. A task not to underestimated and crucial to a successful debconf. On wo, 2006-07-12 at 11:39 +0300, Aschwin van der Woude wrote: > On di, 2006-07-11 at 23:29 +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > So, for areas and people out there which I propose, in no particular > > order, for this (and whatever i missed - please add): > > > > - Technic, Admin & Co: > > Joerg Jaspert (Ganneff) > > > > - Talks & similar: > > Alexander Schmehl (tolimar) > > > > - Localteam (changes yearly): > > Neil McGovern (maulkin) > > > > - Website related: > > Neil McGovern (maulkin) > > > > - Videoteam: > > Holger Levsen (h01ger) > > A list of areas of responsibilities is indeed very important. But I do > suggest not to create a team in a team. Some people are responsible for > a certain area and might decide to keep their own meeting with their own > assembled team. But anything else needs to be decided by everybody > involved. IMHO openness is the key. > > If openness and clarity are key aspects of organising DC, it makes sense > to have names listed for each team as well. E.g. who is on the > video-team and such and so on. And anything else that needs to be done > to keep the whole process transparent. > > Several other posts/areas of responsibilites I see missing from your > current proposal: > >* Secretary (1 or two people) >Announces meetings, posts logs and write minutes when needed >* Treasurer (one person) >Preferably somebody from the local team. This person will take >care of budgetting, keeping a ledger, sending invoices, paying >bills, taking care of travel reimbursments, etc. etc. >This can become a heavy task. >* Main organisor (one or two people) >One or two persons ensuring the whole process proceeds as >planned. They keep track of the total picture, identify potential >problems early on and manage the total team in general. >* Conference administration (team) >Takes care of registrations before and during DebConf, is >reponsible for assinging bedrooms and such. Would ensure the >reception is manned or communicate with existing receptions in >hotels and such. And any other aspect concerning participants >and their basic needs. > > > At the moment I can't come up with more sensible roles, but there might > be some others as well. > > Just my 2 cts, > > -Aschwin > > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf 7 location
>> * Martin Wuertele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060711 23:14]: >> could you please announce it and maybe coordinate on >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > "Alexander Schmehl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > -evens- ;) Now, if you two merge that to "-events" you are spot on ;) Meike ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Andreas Schuldei resigned - Restructure of the DebConf Team
Hi, On Wednesday 12 July 2006 10:17, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > But I dont like neither this rush now nor Jörg's proposed structure. > Propose something better. IMHO I did :) Main point: let us take more time for this. Moray and Marga already stated, that friday "evening" (UTC wise) doesnt suit them well. Me too. So my proposal is: gather friday on IRC at the time you proposed to decide the date for an meeting. Additionally people can use mail for this as well. I suggest a time between friday, the 21st and the 23rd. Or the weekend after, even. And I would be happy, if the proposed structures could be copied to the wiki, so they are visible in one single document and are not spread in different mails. This will help to make sure, no area is forgotten. regards, Holger pgpCvVvFdXJms.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Andreas Schuldei resigned - Restructure of the DebConf Team
* Holger Levsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060712 11:31]: > Moray and Marga already stated, that friday "evening" (UTC wise) > doesnt suit them well. Me too. Make that four. Yours sincerely, Alexander -- http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Andreas Schuldei resigned - Restructure of the DebConf Team
Hi! * Aschwin van der Woude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060712 10:39]: > [..] But I do suggest not to create a team in a team. [..] >* Main organisor (one or two people) >One or two persons ensuring the whole process proceeds as >planned. They keep track of the total picture, identify potential >problems early on and manage the total team in general. As I understood Ganneffs mail (and in there an idea aba and I discussed with stockholm back in .mx), that's what he is proposing: A team in a team. Nota bene: It's the same you are proposing, just that he had four members as main organisors (and called them coordinatiors). What I think, is that we need someone who is doing the task described as "main organisor" above. I think it could work better, if it's a smaller group (but I had three people in mind). The important point is, that their job is *not* to make decissions, but to coordinate, keep track of timeline and deadlines. But I agree with holger here: We have time for that, and the future structure of the orga team is such an important point, that we must not be hasty about that. Yours sincerely, Alexander -- http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Andreas Schuldei resigned - Restructure of the DebConf Team
On wo, 2006-07-12 at 11:58 +0200, Alexander Schmehl wrote: > As I understood Ganneffs mail (and in there an idea aba and I discussed > with stockholm back in .mx), that's what he is proposing: A team in a > team. > > Nota bene: It's the same you are proposing, just that he had four > members as main organisors (and called them coordinatiors). I understand that is one possible interpretation of my words. As I said on IRC, we should define some roles to define a bit of structure. But explicitly leave the rest to be filled in as time roles by. My idea is to create some clarity by defining a bit of structure and keep being flexible by not defining the rest. > What I think, is that we need someone who is doing the task described as > "main organisor" above. I think it could work better, if it's a smaller > group (but I had three people in mind). I can also see how model that would work out, if these people are able to work together and keep eachother up to date constantly. > The important point is, that > their job is *not* to make decissions, but to coordinate, keep track of > timeline and deadlines. Spot on! > But I agree with holger here: We have time for that, and the future > structure of the orga team is such an important point, that we must not > be hasty about that. Indeed! A good soup isn't made in 5 minutes, but takes at least a day. Let's have the soup we are now preparing simmer for a while and see how the flavour needs to be adjusted so we all like it. -Aschwin ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Andreas Schuldei resigned - Restructure of the DebConf Team
On wo, 2006-07-12 at 13:58 +0300, Aschwin van der Woude wrote: > On wo, 2006-07-12 at 11:31 +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > > So my proposal is: gather friday on IRC at the time you proposed to decide > > the > > date for an meeting. Additionally people can use mail for this as well. > > > > Excellent proposal! :-D > > > > I suggest a time between friday, the 21st and the 23rd. Or the weekend > > after, > > even. > > Next weeks weekend could work for me too. > I might be able to make it this Friday, but I am not sure yet. > > -Aschwin ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf8, 9++ locations...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Schmehl) writes: > Interesting... some of the flights are from Air France and I would need > to change my plane at CDG... are cheaper than your flights direclty from > CDG ;) That's routine. There may have been a point in history where airline ticket prices made sense, but if so, it was long long ago... Bdale ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Andreas Schuldei resigned - Restructure of the DebConf Team
Alexander Schmehl wrote on 12/07/2006 11:58: > But I agree with holger here: We have time for that, and the future > structure of the orga team is such an important point, that we must not > be hasty about that. While I also (as an "outsider") would say that you (or we) have a lot of time to decide on the structure, there is one point which should get solved as soon as possible: Sponsor contacts. I have organized sponsor contacts for a sports club once, after my predecessor didn't handle them for a while. I therefor know that it can be really hard work to re-establish these contacts, while it is relatively easy to keep them working. Even if you change the person in charge for this "job" inside the team later, someone should "pick up the loose ends" as soon as possible. Another note regarding something from Aschwin: Aschwin van der Woude wrote on 12/07/2006 10:39: >* Treasurer (one person) >Preferably somebody from the local team. This person will take >care of budgetting, keeping a ledger, sending invoices, paying >bills, taking care of travel reimbursments, etc. etc. >This can become a heavy task. In my experience, at least two people should know how the budget is planned. Even though only one person should give out the money. This helps avoiding two things (but only prevents them when proper documentation is done and some self-discipline is applied): 1) The project failing because the intended treasurer isn't available for some reason and noone else knows the details. 2) Paying for the same thing twice. It's often a good idea if the "Main organizer" (i.e. someone who keeps an eye on the big picture and coordinates the sub-groups) and the Treasurer work closely together. Regards, Sven signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Andreas Schuldei resigned - Sponsor handling
Hi! * Joerg Jaspert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060711 23:29]: > The other big area Andreas always did was sponsorship. Thats one of the > most important parts of a DebConf, so we need a good solution > here. Andreas told me that he will give out his sponsor contacts to > whoever is taking this part. Hmmm... would it be a) possible for him to write his contacts a mail, telling him he resigned (for private reasons, whatever), pointing to our new sponsor handling people(s)? b) a good idea? Yours sincerely, Alexander -- http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Andreas Schuldei resigned - Sponsor handling
On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 23:09 +0200, Alexander Schmehl wrote: > Hmmm... > > would it be > a) possible for him to write his contacts a mail, telling him he >resigned (for private reasons, whatever), pointing to our new sponsor >handling people(s)? > b) a good idea? My recommendation is that our new sponsor contact(s) phone the sponsors up (or, less good, email) to introduce themselves. -- It would be better in my view to have a sponsorship team than a single person, but that team should try to keep a single person as the contact for each sponsor, so that a personal relationship can be built up, and to ensure that we don't give inconsistent information to any sponsor. I'm not sure if a message from Andreas is needed -- I think telling sponsors of the change is definitely a good idea, but I don't think sponsors will be surprised/worried by a change of contact unless we handle it badly. If Andreas sends a mail, it would be best for the sponsor relationships if it simply thanked the sponsors for their past support and hoped that they will continue a good relationship with their new DebConf sponsorship contact. -- Moray http://www.morayallan.com/ ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf8, 9++ locations...
I know I am at the end of the world, but I still took the opportunity to
check the prices. As everybody else, I searched for the August, 22nd to
August 30th dates, from Buenos Aires.
To go to Tokyo (NRT), the cheapest is U$S 1600, going through LAX
Without having to go to USA, the cheapest is U$S 1987, going through London
Heathrow.
For CTS, the cheapest is U$S 2121, and the cheapest-non-USA is U$S 3256
For KIX, the cheapest is U$S 1718, and the cheapest-non-USA is U$S 2863.
For OKA, the cheapest is U$S 4307, (no non-USA option came up).
These prices do seem like too-high, and probably some other, better deal
could be made, but this is what I found searching online. The OKA prices
are specially high because a lot of the airlines don't even have it in
their databases, so the search engine can find very few offers.
--
Besitos, {o_
Marga. (')_
___
Debconf-team mailing list
Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org
http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Andreas Schuldei resigned - Restructure of the DebConf Team
On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 11:52:49AM +0200, Alexander Schmehl wrote: > * Holger Levsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060712 11:31]: > > > Moray and Marga already stated, that friday "evening" (UTC wise) > > doesnt suit them well. Me too. > Make that four. That's unfortunate, because that time actually worked for me! Alas. -- -- Patty Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- At times, you may end up far away from home; you may not be sure of where you belong, anymore. But home is always there... because home is not a place. It's wherever your passion takes you. --- J. Michael Straczynski ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Comparative prices for flights to Japan (was Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf8, 9++ locations...)
Flight prices for 22 August 2006--30 August 2006, all found using checkfelix.com to be comparable: >From London: LHR-NRT-LHR: 901.81 EUR LHR-CTS-LHR: 1539.31 EUR LGW-KIX-LGW: 731.48 EUR ** OKA: not found >From Glasgow: GLA-NRT-GLA: 1301.13 EUR GLA-CTS-GLA: 2728.85 EUR GLA-KIX-GLA: 768.06 EUR ** GLA-OKA-GLA: not found >From Edinburgh: EDI-NRT-EDI: 1275.01 EUR ** EDI-CTS-EDI: 2728.85 EUR EDI-KIX-EDI: 2747.07 EUR EDI-OKA-EDI: not found (so for these dates it would currently be much cheaper to book a flight from Edinburgh to London then a separate flight from London to Japan) -- Moray http://www.morayallan.com/ ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf8, 9++ locations...
* Bdale Garbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-07-12 04:23]: > work search personal search > >COS <-> NRT 1199.30 809.00 >COS <-> CTS 1663.301197.00 >COS <-> KIX 1289.50 809.00 >COS <-> OKA 2385.101197.00 prices in EUR: VIE <-> NRT 1.349,00 VIE <-> CTS 1.479,00 VIE <-> KIX 2.036,00 VIE <-> OKA 1.884,00 yours Martin -- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - NO HTML MAILS PLEASE Was glaubst du hab ich gemacht, bevor ich Debian gefunden habe? Ich war SuSE-Administrator. Jetzt, nach Jahren, kann ich drüber reden ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
